When you stop someone from recovering, it's called a "gimp." "Ganking" is when you ambush an opponent in a MOBA and team up on them.
@akio0191
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah i had a stroke when he said this
@Serralas
4 жыл бұрын
A gank is also killing a monster or anything really in Supernatural. 😂
@_doop8257
4 жыл бұрын
Well: Pikachu, Pikachu, Pikachu, Pikachu and Pikachu
@kash2862
4 жыл бұрын
Yea it was triggering me rlly bad
@ziphrox
4 жыл бұрын
Not only in MOBAs tho. We also use the term in Dark Souls PvP.
@santago8234
4 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: Little Mac's down-b is a recovery move
@frankestock6275
4 жыл бұрын
Sant! I’ve seen them die using counter by the ledge and dying cause they weren’t attacked
@thenorfnonly3486
4 жыл бұрын
Technically, you can use all of Mac’s specials to recover
@santago8234
4 жыл бұрын
@@thenorfnonly3486 Its true :)
@YourCrazyDolphin
4 жыл бұрын
@@frankestock6275 I died by being attacked using counter. No jumps, and hit by a get-up attack.
@manyachievables
4 жыл бұрын
So is his K.O.! Punch, which is why I personally find Mac's Smash Ultimate recovery worse than Mac's Sm4sh recovery. I would trade old K.O. Punch for the ability to use Side B and then Up B.
@bonezxz
4 жыл бұрын
I have an honorable mention: Hero with no MP
@homemaderamen
4 жыл бұрын
SmileyTrashbag I see your suggestion and raise you this: Elwind with no charge.
@ishudsonn3183
4 жыл бұрын
SmileyTrashbag You seem to be forgetting something obvious. Sonic without spring.
@Capybaring
4 жыл бұрын
Pswed Pokemon trainer without pokemons is just an average human or Villager
@Capybaring
4 жыл бұрын
Damn could Villager be a pokemon trainer?
@alexanderredhorse1297
4 жыл бұрын
DK with no momentum.
@eliteteutonicknight1
4 жыл бұрын
Out of everything on the list, I'd say Link's 64 Up B is the worst. It's basically a lone ice climber Up B that doesn't grab edges properly. It's extremely bad. Mac's recovery looks reliable by comparison lol
@Godzilla1282
4 жыл бұрын
I've been a Link main since Smash 64. I'm very stubborn
@thatperson1009
4 жыл бұрын
Yh I agree as it has like hardly any vertical distance
@thatperson1009
4 жыл бұрын
Godzilla1282 yh link was pretty powerful in 64 so I would see where your coming from
@falco642
4 жыл бұрын
if popo didnt have his side b in melee he would have the worst recovery but with side b you can make good horizontal distance
@Sacred_Sword
4 жыл бұрын
I would say the opposite. At least Links recovery didn't remain the same thing transitioning into Melee. On the other hand Little Mac can be removed from the roster for all I care. If Little Mac had more appearances in other games or more "Punch-Out!" games in general I feel like he would be much different in Smash.
@astro_1707
4 жыл бұрын
The Belmont's have a decent range in their recovery but they have the air mobility of a snail attached to a parachute made out of sandpaper and sadness Edit: They decent vertical range on their recovery plus the tether on their aerials
@julienventura8632
4 жыл бұрын
They deserve it
@ABAgamer_
4 жыл бұрын
In what way?
@ghostspider
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah in what way
@ace6897
4 жыл бұрын
Astro _ lmao what a fucking fantastic description
@Geneolgia
4 жыл бұрын
@@ABAgamer_ because he lost to one online
@santiagoossa2301
4 жыл бұрын
Smash 64 link looks like he isn’t even trying
@raichu472
4 жыл бұрын
Looking at the Pikachu vs. Link matchup hurt a little
@IIIISai
4 жыл бұрын
don't let that low recovery beat you, If your an aggressive player you'd good combo into link Up B, and or not need recocer if controlling the match
@justinhaugan1124
4 жыл бұрын
Literally worse than a midair jump
@nkyiem
4 жыл бұрын
Duwang
@nahor88
4 жыл бұрын
@@IIIISai That was legit until the idiot community banned Hyrule, which was Link's only viable stage. Now pretty much the only person that can win with Link is Isai, and even then, it's rough. Funny enough, Isai was one of the most vocal proponents of not banning Hyrule. At least we have Smash Remix now, where Young Link has one of the best recoveries in the game, and is arguably one of the best characters.
@-Haunter
4 жыл бұрын
Link starts descending halfway through his Up B despite it still being active- even Little Mac at least falls *after* the move is finished...
@TerrZy
4 жыл бұрын
He’s a beyblade
@JagoShogun
4 жыл бұрын
"He drops like a rock as if he has bricks tied to his ankles" *AHEM* they're called IRON BOOTS. You don't know the lore!
@ahmadkazan7994
4 жыл бұрын
He messed with the ancient text get him!
@larslke3184
4 жыл бұрын
so..... he's not wrong
@miitopianlife6180
4 жыл бұрын
The recovery is still crap
@JagoShogun
4 жыл бұрын
@@miitopianlife6180 No shit, they're iron boots.
@Toxin_Glitch
4 жыл бұрын
*These are winter boots*
@Sjono
4 жыл бұрын
Having poor recoveries can really make or break a character for me. I love Cloud, but his recovery without limit is so trash
@bimblor6866
4 жыл бұрын
Sjono not really
@stopplayin05
4 жыл бұрын
as a cloud main this is so true
@thefirefades
4 жыл бұрын
Dude, I used to main cloud and I got to 4.8 million gsp with him, his recovery is good if you know how to use it. There are many things you can do to get closer to the stage to recover. I think you're just bad.
@thefirefades
4 жыл бұрын
@Gustavo Vasconcelos jump airdodge recovery
@alejandromomota6934
4 жыл бұрын
XxFlannelxX cloud is easy to bait
@theblueninjagaming3698
4 жыл бұрын
When recovering with incineroar its Best to use side special BEFORE double jump, using all of your available resources makes his recovery decent
@Melophoric
4 жыл бұрын
As long as you have your jump, Incineroar recover very decently and can mix up his reco quite a bit Big agree
@WarrickAuthor
4 жыл бұрын
People who don't use Incineroar or don't play against him don't realize that his recovery is very consistent. You have to get used to not using your jump when you get knocked offstage. The double jump alone makes his recovery very consistent. The up special has super armor and can sent an opponent downwards, so if you aren't prepared Incineroar can actually hit you with it and potentially take a stock. Also, if you get knocked into the top right corner of the blast zone you could try using up special since you can still jump, air dodge, and side special after the animation is done. I wouldn't recommend it though lol.
@enigmaboy6523
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I'm so sick of people saying incin's recovery is awful. People really underestimate how safe it is to recover high. As long as you can aim for the ledge you shouldn't try to recover low
@enigmaboy6523
4 жыл бұрын
@@WarrickAuthor exactly
@danieldavid3766
4 жыл бұрын
I main Incineroar and I can consistently recover and/or take the stock of an edgeguarder with my Up-B
@azophi
4 жыл бұрын
Recovery moves that make you go upwards: exist Sing: I'm gonna have to stop you right there
@quirkyqwertyto1055
4 жыл бұрын
Jiggs be guardin’
@azophi
4 жыл бұрын
@@quirkyqwertyto1055 lol
@michaelbesser5348
3 жыл бұрын
Depends on how you define a recovery, I guess, because Yoshi and Jigglypuff can often make it back to stage even though their Up B's only slightly help (Yoshi) or don't help at all (Jigglypuff). Having a bunch of jumps with Jiggly's air speed kind of means you can get away without one.
@TinkC43
4 жыл бұрын
3:53 You mean Iron Boots?
@rudyrubio5214
4 жыл бұрын
I was gonna make a comment on how he missed the opportunity to say iron boots 😂
@chiefkiep1147
4 жыл бұрын
The problem with your statement is that there is a terminal velocity, no matter how much heavier, so no real good reason for that statement.
@Mufflin
4 жыл бұрын
@@chiefkiep1147 By that logic there's no point in making the joke about bricks tied to his ankles.
@rac1equalsbestgame853
3 жыл бұрын
Love your WW profile picture
@princekingkingprince
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry buddy but once you make a “worst” video, you gotta have to follow up with a “best” video or riot
@ChromaLuke
4 жыл бұрын
Kirby probably tops all the lists except Ultimate. lol
@hahaurdum9961
4 жыл бұрын
@@ChromaLuke pikachu
@bastionunitb7388
4 жыл бұрын
Fucking villager from smash 4 I hate that balloon bastard
@anthonywashington2469
4 жыл бұрын
@Script bayonetta had a better recovery in smash 4 since she could put out hit boxes during it
@IAm-zo1bo
4 жыл бұрын
@@ChromaLuke wow kirby 5 jump wow kirby best recovery so op unstoppable right?
@DBE_TheZek
4 жыл бұрын
“Oilmar has basically the same weaknesses as Ivysaur.” Ivysaur crying in bottom tier.
@buubaku
4 жыл бұрын
Oilmar
@spongeman3090
4 жыл бұрын
Olimar is actually the 2nd best character in Brawl next to Meta Knight.
@buubaku
4 жыл бұрын
@@spongeman3090 i think that spot would go to ICs, actually. They were the only viable character with a positive matchup against meta knight, plus they're recovery was much better than olimar's, and they had a wobble on like half the cast
@diegogreninja3668
3 жыл бұрын
What abaout zero suit samus recovery in brawl
@sebc.416
3 жыл бұрын
@@spongeman3090 h o w
@marcushan-whyte6020
4 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't talk about cloud's abyssmal recovery. Without limit you go basically nowhere, and anyone with a disjointed d-air or any projectile hitting you without your jump kills you instantly and you become two-frame city with how much lag there is on it. Additionally, you can't even snap ledge! It truly sucks.
@byanar
4 жыл бұрын
yeah but at least sometimes he has a good recovery and side b and neutral b can help him stall in the air and give him a small horizontal boost even if he doesnt have momentum
@marcushan-whyte6020
4 жыл бұрын
@@byanar true, but you don't want to be using your main pressure/kill option as your recovery. It does help to charge limit offstage, but that can put you into disadvantage because you can't drift left or right. Cross slash isn't the best stall tool, as blade beam just does it better, but even then, stalling offstage just gives some projectile characters more time to set up and hit you, or allows characters with disjoints to hit you with buttons
@marcushan-whyte6020
4 жыл бұрын
And also stalling basically does not give you any horizontal boost. It's generally worse to use a stalling move as downward momentum is needed to move left or right, so unless you are recovering high, it's nearly useless. And if you are recovering high, why not use F-air? It covers more options, allows drift and you can land with it. Stalling really doesn't work for some characters.
@byanar
4 жыл бұрын
@@marcushan-whyte6020 even if you give them more time to set up their edgeguard there is still a chance to make it to ledge because they might mess up. also when cloud stalls idk why but it feels like he goes farther horizontally than if he just normally drifted
@byanar
4 жыл бұрын
also i think it would be better to survive without limit than to die with it
@Telcontar86
4 жыл бұрын
On paper, Link in 64 has some of the most effective means to control the pace of the fight while on stage. Disjointed attacks, a tether grab, and two types of projectiles. As long as you are controlling the fight, you're fine, and you can totally win against the majority of the small cast. Then Link gets hit offstage and he turns into Sandbag.
@emersonwodnick8012
4 жыл бұрын
No one: Literally no one: Doc Luis: yOu AiNt No AiR FiGhTeR MaC
@AlexEXE
4 жыл бұрын
Doc Luis out here preachin' facts.
@derodainfamous
4 жыл бұрын
Ikr
@theninjustice138
4 жыл бұрын
As the Mac main, gotta say it. Doc *Louis*
@kyeblade06
4 жыл бұрын
@@AlexEXE mac did you just try to dair pit
@IAm-zo1bo
4 жыл бұрын
Stop
@E.O.A.W
4 жыл бұрын
I would argue that JigglyPuff in Smash 64 should be a honorable mention, just because of the bad vertical movement it had. Otherwise good video.
@YamatoFukkatsu
4 жыл бұрын
Needless to say, Jigglypuff makes up for it significantly by having several jumps. In fact, Jigglypuff is often cited as having some of the best aerial maneuverability in the game, which goes to show that not everything boils down to the Up Special.
@seymourbrown4540
4 жыл бұрын
YamatoFukkatsu no, in 64 she had terrible jumps that barely did anything
@inediblemangoes7797
4 жыл бұрын
Nah that’s melee her air speed was ok but her jumps were dog shit in 64
@ColdHumor
4 жыл бұрын
Rising pound in 64 would like to talk to you.
@_Eremurus
4 жыл бұрын
Oh hello there Minor.
@Rosie_Cozy
4 жыл бұрын
Links 64 up b that’s my prediction Edit: I was right lol
@bastionunitb7388
4 жыл бұрын
I don't remember that move being that bad And it looks strange now that we've seen how all the other games have him fly with his up B
@danielwappner1035
4 жыл бұрын
He's in the thumbnail lol
@jamesv337
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I never played as Link in 64 and said "Link's Up B sucks"
@baconbities
4 жыл бұрын
He's in the thumbnail
@leandronunes577
3 жыл бұрын
I still think Ness Up B is way worse than Link's Up B in 64 because at least Link's recovery is a good killing move Yes I know that this is not the point of the video Yes this is a Link main fangirling
@Supwe
4 жыл бұрын
Alex: Sopo Side-B: Am I a joke to you?
@raghavarun9275
4 жыл бұрын
Worse smash 4 Mac
@antoniopriego5660
4 жыл бұрын
Side b doesn't even grab the ledge, no matter how close you are. You have to recover high or grab the lesge during freefall, otherwise Popo will bounce
@quirkyqwertyto1055
4 жыл бұрын
@@antoniopriego5660 it’s even worse if you just so happen to slip offstage.
@xenomaster7263
4 жыл бұрын
Antonio Priego and mashing doesn’t do much to help you either
@fompjex
4 жыл бұрын
2:48 did you just... say... forward special?
@CloutmasterPhluphyy
4 жыл бұрын
Yep
@thealientree3821
3 жыл бұрын
Ryu mains be like:
@funnynamehere8025
3 жыл бұрын
@@thealientree3821 *Terry
@GuerreroSebastian
3 жыл бұрын
@@thealientree3821 *Terry
@FloofyQuenchiest
3 жыл бұрын
@@thealientree3821 *Terry
@dabluepittoo-aqua4213
4 жыл бұрын
Aside from Pikachu, no one had a good recovery in Smash 64. However, Smash Remix's Young Link turns his older version's horrible move into a pretty decent recovery. Also Remix' Wario has a good recovery as well.
@shyarusu7755
4 жыл бұрын
I swear Remix Wario's recovery is actually really good
@ceeemgee0381
4 жыл бұрын
I think kirby had a good recovery in 64, despite it being kind of slow and exploitable
@personma6653
4 жыл бұрын
Hasn't wario always had a good recovery
@thatperson1009
4 жыл бұрын
Cough cough ness he had a rly good recovery if u do it correctly
@dariuscox3576
4 жыл бұрын
Dude, you forgot Mario’s recovery in Smash 64, it’s up there with Pikacuh and Kirby for the best recoveries in the game!
@weapontriangleisasuggestion
4 жыл бұрын
*“yA aIn’T nO aIr FiGhTa MaC”* Gee thanks Doc, I sorta got that idea from the countless stocks I’ve lost because Mac’s recovery sucks ass
@newchallenger9017
4 жыл бұрын
everyone on this list: I fear no man but that... thing Alex: One good hit off stage List: it scares me
@zacharyyoungblood7013
4 жыл бұрын
Ah, a fellow 64 Link main. I too got destroyed by my siblings.
@N12015
4 жыл бұрын
I was mostly a Kirby and Yoshi player. My brother a Link player. I was the one who normally win those matchups.
@leandronunes577
3 жыл бұрын
*sad Link main noises*
@johnkastran1253
4 жыл бұрын
God them calling gimping “ganking” frustrated me to no end. But otherwise good video!
@moussacamara0614
4 жыл бұрын
Was it really a surprise that Little Mac's recovery was one of if not the worst (and people say Roy's recovery in Melee was the worst)
@AlexEXE
4 жыл бұрын
It's definitely up there - I think Ivysaur's (from Brawl) is even more exploitable though!
@intensellylit4100
4 жыл бұрын
@@AlexEXE based on this video, I have a growing suspicion you don't actually play smash.
@CloutmasterPhluphyy
4 жыл бұрын
@@intensellylit4100 lol yeah
@Mrocto-si6wt
4 жыл бұрын
Links ability like he has bricks to his ankle Meanwhile kirby turning into chests rocks
@Clepto_and_Co
3 жыл бұрын
The Belmont's have enough mix-ups on their recovery to keep people guessing, I haven't had too much trouble getting back on stage after I got used to how differently the Belmont's recovery is
@bije277
4 жыл бұрын
Sopo’s recovery in Ultimate honestly seems better than Link’s recovery in 64.
@Clepto_and_Co
3 жыл бұрын
I've done both, and it is
@N12015
Жыл бұрын
@@Clepto_and_Co That's because Ice climbers are floatier.
@yeetusskeetus884
4 жыл бұрын
Alex: “forward special” Me: Dies on inside
@DaRamnGod
4 жыл бұрын
Edge Hogging
@mikey-hm7dt
4 жыл бұрын
@@DaRamnGod That is the term for what he is describing, what is wrong with it
@DaRamnGod
4 жыл бұрын
The term in smash is edge guarding but they'd have the same meaning so it doesn't matter
@mikey-hm7dt
4 жыл бұрын
@@DaRamnGod no, no they don't. In melee and brawl, if you hold the ledge the other person can't grab it and it's used as an edgeguarding tactic and this tactic is called edge hogging
@Cri_Jackal
4 жыл бұрын
Solo Ice Climber recovery is surprisingly not actually as bad as it looks, their good air speed and decent jump height help make this move semi functional. I've been able to get back on stage consistently whenever my opponent doesn't go for any good edge guards, which is better than what quite a few characters can say for themselves *-cough -**_-Chrom-_**- cough-*
@kyeblade06
4 жыл бұрын
Chrom has no forward momentum
@WildlandsGG
4 жыл бұрын
Had to turn this off when you got to Melee and started talking about Doc. The footage you used to showcase how "bad" his recovery is was just garbage recovery attempts. Should have known when I failed to see a single sweet spot on Ness's recovery in N64 footage where this video was going.
@quackle5623
4 жыл бұрын
I think that he is just out of practice with the older games since his picks for the later games are pretty accurate.
@Edddy_S
4 жыл бұрын
listening to casuals talk about Smash is so annoying lmao i’m assuming he doesn’t know what sweetspots are
@shalashaska69420
4 жыл бұрын
Incineroar’s recovery: imma go up, THEN DROP DOWN
@olivinator
4 жыл бұрын
his recovery is actually pretty good, the clips from the video were just from trash incineroar players.
@bowsertnt7904
4 жыл бұрын
olivinator it was from a computer which is worse LMAO
@jonathanyu9076
4 жыл бұрын
Also i want to add something about macs recovery in ultimate in smash 4 when mac was hit out of side b he regained side b but in ultimate that is not true when mac is hit out of side b in ultimate he will not regain his side b.
@kyeblade06
4 жыл бұрын
Still dont know why they did that
@chiefkiep1147
4 жыл бұрын
Yup, that is kinda stupid
@alexandergee4677
4 жыл бұрын
He also had KO Punch as a recovery option in smash 4. It gave Mac decent horizontal momentum, but not in Ultimate
@kyeblade06
4 жыл бұрын
@@alexandergee4677 it had a lot of endlag
@Hu-kun
4 жыл бұрын
@@alexandergee4677 Its sorta possible in Ultimate. Though you need to make sure you're moving to the direction you wanted to go to, otherwise you go nowhere
@TheRamblemanWhoSings
4 жыл бұрын
not gonna lie i was confused when you said genks & edgehog since im so used to hearing gimps & edge guard [EDIT] I know edgehoging is something different
@SuperSilver7591
4 жыл бұрын
Same here
@silasnichols7593
4 жыл бұрын
Edge hogging and edge guarding are different. Edge hogging is a mechanic in brawl where if you grab the ledge, other characters can’t grab the ledge at the same time as you.
@TheRamblemanWhoSings
4 жыл бұрын
@@silasnichols7593 oh ok but he also siad it when talking about dr.Mario in melee so that could of thrown me off
@psycular
4 жыл бұрын
The ramble man edge hogging is in melee too
@eduardoboulocq3135
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheRamblemanWhoSings edgehogging is in melee too
@Uvirith
4 жыл бұрын
*sees title* Little Mac: Aw shit, here we go again.
@Geneolgia
4 жыл бұрын
I would add Chrom and Cloud to honorable mentions they can be easily gimped just like the Belmonts with just one easy hit, also Chrom's gets negated by characters with counters and Cloud can only hope his limit gets charged when he's offstage.
@IAm-zo1bo
4 жыл бұрын
But chrom has that weird spike
@kingbbqchicken
4 жыл бұрын
Lol if you have Roy or someone against Chrom just hit him off stage one and time your counters and hes a ded child
@diegobodegaluis5125
4 жыл бұрын
I don't know. Chrom's recovery is bad, but the boy does have an excellent air speed, which is the saving grace to not be truly awful
@dontegraves5051
4 жыл бұрын
@@diegobodegaluis5125 It still won't help against certain types. Link, Pac-Man, Bayonetta, Captain Falcon and especially not Mario. Fire Emblem characters like Chrom, Ike and Roy in particular have little chance at returning back to stage against Mario.
@diegobodegaluis5125
4 жыл бұрын
@@dontegraves5051 I agree about that. Mario is pretty opressive when he has stage control
@user_beep6964
3 жыл бұрын
As an honourable mention, we have: *Recovering from my alcoholism after missing the ledge as Little Mac*
@Metalc
3 жыл бұрын
This needs likes
@BluesM18A1
4 жыл бұрын
I like how the Belmont's air mobility and recovery game is wickedly weak because it matches how the older games work. It's an amazing touch, really.
@halt1931
4 жыл бұрын
As a Ganondorf main, the biggest issues are lack of mixup (he's got one of the, like, three remaining side specials that put you into freefall for movement and I honestly don't get why characters like Incin or the spacies can use theirs but not him), and, of course, rockcrock. Both of his "recovery" moves get him killed if he lands them offstage trying to reach the ledge. Why.
@CanZand7SM
4 жыл бұрын
3:15 Plus, when he uses this move, he has a voice clip from IVYSAUR.
@Sly88Frye
4 жыл бұрын
My former best friend's main in Smash 64 was Link and I never saw how well he played that character as I met him when Melee was the new game when we were teenagers but I heard it may have been legendary. A bit surprising considering how bad that character was in the game. I personally feel his recovery was so terrible because in his original series he doesn't jump or doesn't jump on command. Just jumps ledges so he isn't a good jumper.
@willycheez7218
3 жыл бұрын
Donkey Kong should definitely be there instead of the Belmonts. He just straight up doesn't have the ability to grab ledge, he falls right past it. Combine that with his horrendous up B and he's just dead if you knock him off
@1080Frostbite
4 жыл бұрын
As a Robin main, It's always hard if I'm knocked off when I just ran out of elwind, the recovery is basically reduced to the solo Ice Climbers.
@aidanklobuchar1798
4 жыл бұрын
Oh come on, Doc's recovery isn't that bad, definitely not bottom 2ish in Melee. Years of watching Shroomed's Doc (RIP) has me convinced that the move is un-edgeguardable.
@Edddy_S
4 жыл бұрын
the dude who made this video is obviously a casual who has never heard of sweet spotting lmfao
@Wingspan183
Жыл бұрын
I remember being 5 years old playing Smash 64 and being in awe at how bad Links recovery was 😂
@internetmovieguy
4 жыл бұрын
Olmar has a better brawl recovery than ganon. He’s floaty. So if someone is hogging the edge. Just chuck a purple at them.
@maximusmax1063
4 жыл бұрын
Incin recovers below the stage way more often than he does above or level with it though ??
@fuguranto
4 жыл бұрын
and there's some super armor at the beginning too. it's not SUPER awful, just sucks when you mess up timing enough that you die early.
@bowsertnt7904
4 жыл бұрын
Luigi’s recovery is worst than his recovery
@airestith5309
4 жыл бұрын
@@bowsertnt7904 I think it all boils down to how well you know the character. Because with a enough labbing of the character you can know when to air dodge and jump to give you the mobility to get to stage depending on who your playing. It also depends on what the rules are like does best mean, like anyone can pick up the controller and recover with this character or does it mean the distance or how well they get back to stage even being edge guarded.
@bowsertnt7904
4 жыл бұрын
Chris Hall yeah, but you can just take the hit of the side-B and just bait his jump
@Funkermonsterco
4 жыл бұрын
@@fuguranto Cross Chop's actually _heavy_ armored: It has a threshold of 11.99%, which is actually pretty weak when you consider that there's several aerials in the game do enough % to beat that.
@h4jdesh_10
3 жыл бұрын
Alex.exe: hmmmm which smash game can I not think of two characters? Oh Smash 4? Ok, I'll give that one to ganondorf
@druco123
4 жыл бұрын
The incineroar clips it was you and the cpu being bad lmao, all of em were livable
@sayzar9474
4 жыл бұрын
I too forgot how garbage Link’s recovery was in 64....yikes
@cycloid2326
4 жыл бұрын
Yoshi in Melee probably should have been an honorable mention as he couldn’t mix up his recovery with egg throw until Brawl and was completely screwed if he got footstooled (he kind of still is).
@ASmarterThanAverageSeel
3 жыл бұрын
Random Guy playing Link in Smash 64: Oh no! I feel off the stage! I need to go up! Smash 64 Link: ALL I BROUGHT IS A SWORD, HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO DO THAT
@skillato9000
4 жыл бұрын
I feel like Little Mac's recovery was better in WiiU, at least being hit in that game resets your specials, which means that you could side special multiple times(good against spammed projectiles or quick attacks). While in Ultimate, your opponent can interupt your side special start up animation and . . . that's it, you are done.
@transorm987
4 жыл бұрын
It's really not better....in Ultimate he can use Side Special and then follow up with up special. It's SUCH a vast improvement. Plus his air speed is faster overall, which makes recovery much better.
@skillato9000
4 жыл бұрын
@@transorm987 I mean, if they hit your side special you're left with just raising uppercut anyway, and since Little Mac's recovery moves are ridiculously predictable, the new mechanic it's more often than not useless
@transorm987
4 жыл бұрын
@@skillato9000 I'm well aware but in most situations, that reset in 4 wouldn't save you. I agree that it would be good to have now but it didn't make his recovery better then it currently is. Since that is far more situational.
@skillato9000
4 жыл бұрын
I guess each recovery has it's strenghts, as of rn I firmly believe they are equally terrible, if Sakurai gave us back the side special reset, that would truly be an improvement. I don't have an example atm, but I just can't help feeling salty when other characters have that trait and Mac doesn't.
@transorm987
4 жыл бұрын
@@skillato9000 Neither are good, I agree. It's just that the one in Ultimate is overall better
@nef36
4 жыл бұрын
Popo by himself actually has a not horrible recovery with side b. It's not great, but it gets the job done sometimes.
@narwhal6112
4 жыл бұрын
My honorable mention would be Diddy, whose up-b requires charging while still falling, and the time it takes to fully charge is basically the same distance you fall
@dontegraves5051
4 жыл бұрын
This only applies in Ultimate. In Brawl, charging it fully was much better than using it too early. In Smash Wii U, Diddy Kong could clear battlefield size stages almost 280 degress off a full charge...I don't understand why his recovery was nerfed.
@narwhal6112
4 жыл бұрын
@@dontegraves5051 yeah, it's so annoying
@Moss_Dude
4 жыл бұрын
I'd say Luigi is worse than Incineroar. Just block or hit his green missile (unless it misfires) and boom he's dead. Also you should've honorable mentioned 0mp hero.
@mangledtangled1096
4 жыл бұрын
Pit's recovery in brawl is an easy winner for the best recovery ever
@dontegraves5051
4 жыл бұрын
The boy can literally fly. Since Smash Wii U, his recovery is basically a shell of what it once was. And good luck getting back to stage against Mario. Using the normal recover move is essentially asking to get caped or sprayed with F.L.U.D.D
@specialperson335
4 жыл бұрын
Incineroar should not be on this list.
@screweduptx512
4 жыл бұрын
Yes he should his recovery is ass
@specialperson335
4 жыл бұрын
@@screweduptx512 not compared to some other recoveries in some other smash games. Even dr marios recovery in ultimate is worse.
@sethstoll8525
4 жыл бұрын
Special Person well yeah but he said he was only using each character once. Like he mentioned Doc in melee so he did not bring him back up for Ult
@specialperson335
4 жыл бұрын
@@sethstoll8525 maybe not ult doc then but so many recoveries from older smash games are much worse than incineroar. DK from n64, fox from n64, mii brawler in smash ultimate (doesn't really count but still.) Falcon from n64 the list goes on.
@screweduptx512
4 жыл бұрын
I saw Bin Laden the other day
@petrie911
Жыл бұрын
The saddest part of brawl tether recoveries is that if you hit the opponent off the ledge, you don't then attach to it.
@plantrulz223
4 жыл бұрын
Incineroar has a really good recovery in Ultimate if you use it well. He can mix it up fairly easily and it goes a good distance. I would pick on more exploitable and linear recoveries first, rockcrocking Ganon and Captain Falcon or gimping Chrom.
@kyeblade06
4 жыл бұрын
Its mostly side b thats bad since its hella punishable
@bowsertnt7904
4 жыл бұрын
Blade 06 usually when people try it they will get grabbed by the move
@bowsertnt7904
4 жыл бұрын
He used computers for his examples folks
@kyeblade06
4 жыл бұрын
@@bowsertnt7904 im talking about the endlag
@pizzawonderer5024
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, i would replace incineroar with donkey Kong, shit goes like an inch upwards. I cannot tell you how many times I've accidentally airdodges offstage and died because donkey Kong vertical recovery is ass
@Skullmiser
4 жыл бұрын
You should have mentioned that Ness's recovery move is impossible to use if he gets knocked between buildings in Saffron City. It makes it even worse!
@brachmindunsparce6044
4 жыл бұрын
Simon Belmont may have a bad recovery but don't let that distract you from the fact that Shuton daired a pikmin to survive.
@heterodoxagnostic8070
4 жыл бұрын
i'd argue Melee C. Falcon's recovery is worse than Dr. Mario's recovery, because, Dr. has actually options, and is not as exploitable.
@Mr__Jack
4 жыл бұрын
Ness’s Melee recovery is even worse though. Literally take everything bad about his 64 recovery and remove the fact that it actually goes a long distance.
@diegobodegaluis5125
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I would say bottom 2 recovery for sure and only beats Bowser ( maybe beats Kirby)
@teamflyboys
4 жыл бұрын
Little Mac's Ultimate recovery is only useless if you don't sequence it properly: Side-B>Jump>Up-B/Air Dodge. Occasionally mix in Counter where applicable or KO Punch if you have it. If you jump before you side B, odds are you will die.
@willfranklyn2
4 жыл бұрын
"Bellmonts are bad" *Simon flies into the blastzone*
@roryentertainmentgames5108
4 жыл бұрын
I think Smash 64 Link forgot to remove his Iron Boots before using his Up B.
@bastionunitb7388
4 жыл бұрын
Good video however the title is a bit misleading "Worst recovery moves" I was expecting sing or egg throw to be here But the video is talking about overall recoveries which is counting jigglypuffs jumps and yosis flutter jump A minor gripe but good video overall
@Wrench-007
4 жыл бұрын
Who would waste their second jump that fast to try and recover? The way he showcased Insineroar made him seem like he's trash.
@justincheung9205
4 жыл бұрын
That was a cpu
@caioleite5579
4 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything, except for Doc and Bowser being the melee ones. I would pick Roy and Bowser
@yaboikiba4302
3 жыл бұрын
Ganondorf doesn't want to go back to stage, he wants you to go offstage to grab you and take you to hell with him
@malfiggy
4 жыл бұрын
Another honorable mention should be Hero, as his ability to Recover depends on him not overusing his spell kit
@transorm987
4 жыл бұрын
That's more a player issue, rather then character issue.
@D4VID9724
4 жыл бұрын
Robin too I guess
@jaguar7652
4 жыл бұрын
They should make incineroars up B like clouds where you press the b button 2 times for the second part so you dont have to do the dive
@Pixelite_
4 жыл бұрын
Watching the Incineroar recoveries physically hurt me as an Incineroar main
@floatingf8783
3 жыл бұрын
3:53 Link doesn't have bricks tied to his ankles, he's wearing the Iron Boots.
@matthewc4121
4 жыл бұрын
I was expecting Meele Falcon since his hurtbox always goes above ledge before he can grab it so if you just down tilt him he's guaranteed dead
@jitlikelias
4 жыл бұрын
Matthew C u can just glide out
@Phantom-Agent-X
4 жыл бұрын
4:54 Is "survivability" an actual word?
@MaraudingManiac
Жыл бұрын
One thing they removed that would have made Ivysaur not suck so much in brawl was the fact that you can tether any wall in Melee, even if it's not a ledge. Tether first, then double jump to get back on stage. Sure it doesn't work in all situations but at least you're not completely screwed.
@MemeThought_
4 жыл бұрын
well Ivysaur always had a good recovery *called Down B, free real estate*
@MarsPikachu
Жыл бұрын
I think melee ness is even WORSE He doesn't go nearly as far and have more ending lag
@wanderfilho5443
3 жыл бұрын
Me: watches some gameplay of a game in youtube KZitem: ITS FREE REAL STATE
@highcausejordan3962
4 жыл бұрын
while it might seem like mac’s recovery is better in ultimate, he can only use it once in the air even if he gets hit
@toontownveteran
4 жыл бұрын
great video but I feel like the choice of doc in melee having one of the worst recoveries is underestimating docs recovery. Docs aerial drift is decent, so he travels decently fast in the air. He can also recover high and throw out pills to keep him safe, if an opponent tries to jump out and hit doc out of his recovery, the pill will hit him I think pichu or donkey kong is the choice for the worst recovery besides bowser. Pichu's recovery travels fairly far, but it has no hitbox at all. This allows you to hit pichu out of his recovery insanely easily. Donkey kong's recovery goes pretty far, but it is awful when it comes to gaining height. Add that with ledge hogging in melee makes his recovery terrible, the hitbox is pretty lacking.
@nikyu.106
3 жыл бұрын
As a bayonetta player I would never get used to those bad recoveries, I mean bayonetta's one is probably the most unpredictable you can do like 600 things with it
@ARobloxBedwarsUser
2 ай бұрын
"ill pick 2 characters from each game" Also Alex: *puts only ness in smash 64
@rory_person_being
4 жыл бұрын
I would argue Chrom's recovery is worse than Incineroar's. It's basically the same, except doesn't go as far and you don't have a move for horizontal recovery. The fact that Roy's recovery is so much better is a large part of why he's generally considered better.
@lighticrimsin9610
4 жыл бұрын
Anthony Fantano: In my opinion Eminem has the worst RECOVERY
@TheLemonyBard
4 жыл бұрын
Theoretically the fact that Mac can’t spam air dodge anymore might make his new recovery just as bad if not worse
@Zenval
4 жыл бұрын
It's a decent video, but i have a couple of gripes with how you represented the bad recoveries in Ultimate. There were many scenarios that you showed where the characters being edgeguarded could make it back if they didn't 1. waste their jump early 2. wait until getting hit before using their jump
@pizzawonderer5024
4 жыл бұрын
"I have a lot of gripes" Only has 2 dot points
@Zenval
4 жыл бұрын
@@pizzawonderer5024 My bad, poor wording choice
@decidueyefan3844
4 жыл бұрын
So what’s your recovery? Mario: an iconic jump punch from my games Zelda: the winds of the goddess of wisdom that teleport me Byleth: *you* Meta knight: I can spin rlly fast while t posing, do a loop de loop, spin rlly fast but with my sword out in front of my head, or head out for a few seconds and then come back Jigglypuff: an up air dodge lol
@microwave8931
4 жыл бұрын
Meta Knight's recovery: 6 jumps - Up b - Side B In contrast, there's Chrom's recovery: Jumps up, then down, Incineroar gets some horizontal distance, Chrom gets none.
@tenkenroo
2 жыл бұрын
To this day I wish tether recovery was like melee. Cause having it attach to a part of the stage rather than just a ledge is so much better
@jamesehlenfeldt7132
4 жыл бұрын
I love playing Terry but it's super easy to "how about that?" off the stage or if someone moves slightly out of his range of view and you cartwheel of a cliff.
@thechargedfoxie456yt2
4 жыл бұрын
The worst recovery Huh? *little Mac he's entered the chat*
@Sam-ob5wo
4 жыл бұрын
Ah the famous smash gank. I do hate when my opponent comes out of the jungle to kill me and take my farm in the early laning phase of FD.
@squid-boy4178
3 жыл бұрын
should've included jiggly puff in smash 64 if you go below the ledge you die
@frappompi
4 жыл бұрын
I would argue that Dr. Mario's recovery in Ultimate is worse than the Belmonts. Good list though.
@AverageNeneKinnie
4 жыл бұрын
A plumber is good at recovery in Melee. A doctor is suck at recovery in Melee.
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