And this is only the CHOOSING player's perspective. Imagine being the opponent and not knowing what set of Iron Valiant your opponent is using.
@fogwzu1939
5 ай бұрын
Listen, You do not know true fear until your Kingambit is in against a unrevealed Iron Valiant set.
@pmahcgop6693
5 ай бұрын
Schrodinger’s valiant I don’t know if this valiant is choice specs or choice band or choice scarf or life orb or booster energy swords dance or expert belt calm mind or destiny bond until I watch inside the box “Iron valiant used encore” I don’t know if…
@yunaka_gaming
5 ай бұрын
Me burning the val just for it to click Moonblast and sweep me on the spot
@MelodyLumina
5 ай бұрын
this is why open team sheets
@Goldeneye3336
5 ай бұрын
That is called a skill issue in any game. If a player is bad, then they lose more. EZ.
@FlareBlitzBanana
5 ай бұрын
Feels very weird to call incineroar a victim of anything after what he did to my family
@HeavyWalrus2
5 ай бұрын
What the hell did the virtual anthropomorphic cheeto do to your bloodline?😨
@FlareBlitzBanana
5 ай бұрын
@@HeavyWalrus2 He gave them a Parting Shot 😔
@thazmania120
5 ай бұрын
🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨@@FlareBlitzBanana
@MayHugger
5 ай бұрын
@@FlareBlitzBanana🤨📸
@FlareBlitzBanana
5 ай бұрын
@@MayHugger I didn't mean it like that bruh 💀
@dapoups1611
5 ай бұрын
it's so wholesome that you shoutout the small youtuber wolfey
@Pearl_Blossom
5 ай бұрын
Real youtubist*
@duckymomo7935
5 ай бұрын
Sorry but I hate wolfey
@gwen6622
5 ай бұрын
@@duckymomo7935who asked
@___king___
5 ай бұрын
@@duckymomo7935 ratio littlest of little bros
@CobaltCruiser
5 ай бұрын
@@duckymomo7935Verlisify, is that you?
@theannilators7479
5 ай бұрын
Imo the biggest victim of this in singles is Breloom. It essentially needs to run spore as that’s its best move, and it’s the fastest spore user, it enables it to revenge kill very well and force a lot of switches Now it also REALLY wants Mach punch, since it has the strongest Mach punch in the game thanks to technician and it can one and two shot a surprising amount of mons in OU, and can shutdown a non-Terra’d tier king Kingambit. From there it really wants to run a strong base power move and another technician boosted move, the strong moves it can run are mainly close combat and loaded dice bullet seed, and it wants to run another technician boosted move, like rock tomb and bulldoze. Without bullet seed it’s useless against defensive mons like great tusk and Dondozo, but it also really wants close combat for grass resists like the dragons. Without rock tomb it can’t stand up to flying types, but needs bulldoze for the poison and flying types (that admittedly aren’t as prevalent in OU anymore, but still hard counter Breloom) Breloom basically would need all of these moves in OU, and while it was in OU earlier this generation it suffered from not being able to run all of these moves, making it (iirc) one of the first OU staples to fall out of the tier.
@imaginaryidiot
5 ай бұрын
One of the biggest victims of 4 Slot Syndrome in singles at least is definitely Great Tusk. It likes running Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin for hazard control, Close Combat for fighting STAB, Headlong Rush for ground or Earthquake on bulkier builds that don't appreciate the defense drop, Ice Spinner for the advantage in the Tusk mirror, Knock Off because it's Knock Off, Bulk Up for sweeping, Temper Flare can be used to surprise balloon Gholdengo or Corviknight, Supercell Slam if you're insane and there's always Tera Blast if you're REALLY desperate for the coverage.
@WaterZer0
5 ай бұрын
I feel like we have very different definitions here. Iron Valiant has one of the widest move pools and set options; saying it's a victim of 4 moveslot syndrome makes no sense. A much better example would be Wo Chien who is pretty much locked into: Leech Seed Protect (for Leech Seed) Knock Off Giga Drain/Foul Play/Sub Now that's 4 moveslot syndrome. Someone else mentioned Metagross which I think also fits. Meteor Mash/Heavy Slam (required) Bullet Punch (since it's so slow) Earthquake to hit fire and steel types that resist MM Stealth Rock/Zen Headbutt/Ice Punch/Thunder Punch/Explosion Now that is a lot of options for slot 4, but you need those first 3 moves unless you have idk Scizor with BP already. Support mons are often locked into 3 moves as well; let's look at Chansey and Blissey: Soft Boiled/Wish Seismic Toss/Protect Toxic/Thunder Wave (depending on the gen) Teleport/Heal Bell (when you can get it otherwise) Ice Beam/Flamethrower/Shadow Ball/Stealth Rock I am commenting this early into the video so oops if you cover these examples later.
@Enjinercraft
4 ай бұрын
You misunderstand what the video is saying, he is saying that certain mons have too many moves, not too few
@WaterZer0
4 ай бұрын
@@Enjinercraft That's not 4 move slot syndrome. Title the video something else then.
@xxcridonxx7614
5 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t it be so cool if gamefreak made an item that when held would allow Pokémon to have a 5th move slot?
@talesofthespiritwarriorand1106
5 ай бұрын
That would either have to be immune to knock off or you just have a move deleted when it's removed
@Xx_GobbaGamer69_xX
5 ай бұрын
If you hold the tm to a move you can use it
@xxcridonxx7614
5 ай бұрын
@@Xx_GobbaGamer69_xX that’s a sick idea of it
@xxcridonxx7614
5 ай бұрын
@@talesofthespiritwarriorand1106 ye that would work. The second option. Like it’s a special slot that’s gone after knockoff. Like the item will be always assigned to a specific move. But once knocked off, the op of that move goes to 0 that would work
@marvalice3455
5 ай бұрын
The rich would get richer. Just like eviolite is only used on Pokemon that were already good before getting an evolution
@v-goldie7073
5 ай бұрын
I think Volbeat is the biggest victim of 4 moves because I actually think it would be thrive in competitive double because it has prankster and access to Tail Glow, Thunder Wave, Tailwind, Encore, Taunt, Bug Buzz, Dazzling Gleam, Thunder, Double Team, Helping Hand, Moonlight, Infestation, Confuse Ray, Counter, Swagger, Seismic Toss, Trailblaze, Acrobatics, Sunny Day, Rain Dance, Baton Pass, Trick, Light Screen
@XAEzl
4 ай бұрын
Thank you for talking about Iron Valiant's big ass moveset. I ran a full Iron team in Showdown and I've made at least 3 kinds of Valiant builds.
@SilverScarletSpider
4 ай бұрын
Genesect, Protean Greninja, Lucario, Nidoking, Deoxys, Rayquaza, Mespirit, Mew, Mewtwo, Meloetta, Dragonite, Iron Valiant, Victini, Mega Lopbunny, Jirachi, Zeraora, Pheromosa, and Marshadow are all so much fun to use when you can surprise your opponent with a rarer but still viable move like a coverage Ice Punch, Gunk Shot, Flamethrower, or priority like Extreme Speed/Water Shuriken my favorite example is Starmie. As a Kid I always needed Surf, Psychic, Thunderbolt, and Ice Beam. But everyone and their mom forces me to run into 4MSS over rapid spin.
@asierx7047
5 ай бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't mention that Great Tusk has coverage to hit EVERY type in the game for super effective with viable moves. Every Tusk set in singles consists of STAB, Rapid Spin and any move of your choice to take down any mon you particularly dislike.
@phantom_boii
5 ай бұрын
Another common victim would be Blaziken as you would want to run STAB moves which already take up half your move slots which leaves room for Protect for a free Speed Boost turn, Swords Dance to boost your power along with your speed. But if you were to run those 4 moves you’d be leaving yourself vulnerable with no coverage options such as Thunder punch, Knock Off, Uturn, Brave Bird(or Acrobatics depending on your item), Poison Jab, Shadow Claw, or Rock Slide/Stone Edge
@AngelSeme
5 ай бұрын
Mega-Blastoise definitely has it the worst than any other pokemon. The mega launcher ability alone makes you really want to run Aura Sphere Dark Pulse Dragon Pulse Heal Pulse But then you also want Water STAB Scald Mega Launcher boosted Water Pulse Muddy Water Hydro Pump Coverage moves Ice beam Flash Cannon And support moves like Fake Out Follow Me Protect
@blueredlover1060
5 ай бұрын
That's forgetting the fact that it gets Shell Smash to set up with.
@Blue-ik8ij
3 ай бұрын
@@blueredlover1060Tbf Mega doesn't exist anymore 😂 So, it doesn't make any sense. Also, Blastoise got shell smash much later than its mega form. Just like Groudon didn't have heat crash before and only lava plume lol.
@blueredlover1060
3 ай бұрын
@@Blue-ik8ij I know, but it's something that some of my draft leagues still allow megas and that's yet another thing to try to fit.
@Borax_Sensei
5 ай бұрын
3:38 I just looked up what Decorate does and it's quite good, the effect is *Sharply raises target's Attack and Special Attack. (100% chance)* Not to the user but to the target.
@Ezecool-3105
5 ай бұрын
Iron valiant booster energy speeds up, protect and alcremie uses decorate on it
@omnipotence731
5 ай бұрын
i like running decorated smeragle choice specs or prankster skill swap on our favorite sweet pokemon. you can also run decorate or not, or make a offensive stacking alecreme. it also suffers from movepool syndrome too when you make it prankster.
@Ezecool-3105
5 ай бұрын
@@omnipotence731 giving prankster to alcremie? I always use it defensive offensive, acid armor, calm mind, stored power and draining kiss
@austinhensley6553
5 ай бұрын
the single biggest victim is by far gen 3 tyranitar though. it wants its entire movepool, gets 4 of them and is still the single best pokemon in either a gen 3 doubles or singles format.
@door-chan
5 ай бұрын
being the best one means it's not a victim of the syndrome though...
@HappyIsaac0420
5 ай бұрын
If it's the best pokemon, it doesn't really sound like a victim. If it can use any of its 4 moves and still be the best, that's not suffering from 4 moveslot syndrome.
@Blue-ik8ij
3 ай бұрын
@@HappyIsaac0420Still gets one shot with a mach punch from breloom though 😂
@Thatglasseskun
5 ай бұрын
Incineroar without an assult vest has a pretty good and standard set, fake out, Parting shot, flare Blitz and knock off are solid tools. Everything else is optional/depends on how you build the rest of the team, on some of my Incineroar sets i like to put snarl as another way to further nerf special attackers
@andreaseverin1346
5 ай бұрын
Honestly this video feels more like "Pokémon with the most movepool options" than "4MSS victims". Best shown by Valiant, just because it can't run its 11 coverage types, 2 setup moves and support panel at the same time doesn't mean it has trouble doing its job. A 4MSS victim is something like Meowscarada right now, because trying to run it as a hazard setter loses you coverage that you really want or a STAB (in singles). In VGC I'd guess Cresselia is actually a great example, because Psychic STAB is so weak and Trick Room + either Protect or a recovery move is locked in on it
@x_bell1142
5 ай бұрын
@@andreaseverin1346 I feel like 4 moveslot syndrome is just an extension of Pokémon with the most movepool options though - they just have so many good options that choosing just 4 makes them feel limited. Maybe we just have different definitions so I understand where you are coming from.
@Thatglasseskun
5 ай бұрын
@x_bell1142 could very much be a semantics issue, but excellent video!
@noatouw
4 ай бұрын
@@x_bell1142why no cotton guard whimsicott?
@Lioner9
5 ай бұрын
If only whimsicott got pollen puff, i feel that would give it a reason to be used instead of tornadus.
@Seetiyan
5 ай бұрын
It sounds like a problem, but 4 Moveslot Syndrome actually means "This pokemon has a crazy deep movepool, so good that I can't make up my mind offensively, and it's unpredictable defensively."
@lilharm
5 ай бұрын
and that it embodies what Pokemon is about
@olafmikoaj3121
5 ай бұрын
It's sad that the only 5 move users are to this day partner Pikachu and Eevee
@pedrorodrigosilvacaldas7703
5 ай бұрын
Dont forget Ash Snorlax with 6 moves, and the Orange Island Drake that give uo full movesets on 4 members on the team to have a Dragonite with 10 Moves
@olafmikoaj3121
5 ай бұрын
@@pedrorodrigosilvacaldas7703 They are anime exclusive and have more than 5 so I didn't count them
@pedrorodrigosilvacaldas7703
5 ай бұрын
@@olafmikoaj3121 i know, i just wanted to be tecnical(And it could be a mechanic for future gens)
@Astral_Esther
5 ай бұрын
Gouging Fire also suffers greatly from this it has access to many things Flare Blitz Earthquake Outrage/Dragon Claw Dragon Dance Burning Bulwark (?) Morning Sun... so many tools to make him great but very limited offense selection if utility or setup is required
@jakejake11112
5 ай бұрын
Burning Balwark, Breaking Swipe, Heat Crash and Howl is the standard movepool, covers pretty much everything here.
@MeteorTribe
5 ай бұрын
i think slowking galar is also a victim, it gets so much good coverage, status and a pivot move.
@andreaseverin1346
5 ай бұрын
Thing is in singles it's not gonna need that much coverage. It's a rather defensive mon which has mostly 2 sets : Future Sight pivot (Future Sight, Teleport/Chilling Reception depending on gen, Sludge Bomb, and either Fire coverage or recovery. And Assault Vest with Sludge Bomb, Psychic STAB from Psyshock to Future Sight, Fire coverage and Water/Ground coverage. That one runs uninvested Earthquake often as a way to deal with say, Heatran. These are cohesive sets that don't crave more moves, it's just Slowking has options. Same as Valiant or Lando-T
@MeteorTribe
5 ай бұрын
@@andreaseverin1346 thats standard mindset, gotta think outside the box, i used hissuian goodra to get top #67 in ou with just straight coverage no curse shanogins and it catches gliscor, lando and goldengo off gaurd. i feel slowking got the same potential
@cryolitegem
4 ай бұрын
One Pokémon I’ve been having a hard time picking moves for lately is my Forretress in Ultra Moon. The only reason I gave it an attacking move *at all* was because stealth rocks is an egg move for it, and a slow volt switch can come in handy for switching Malamar into boosted opponents so he can have the time he needs to do his thing before he goes down.
@SavionStar-hs2uy
4 ай бұрын
I'd also say Chesnaught is a victim of 4-moveslot syndrome. Chesnaught gets: -Seed Bomb andWood Hammer for reliable Grass STAB -A plethora of STAB Fighting moves -Thunder Punch and Rock Slide for Flying-Types -Dragon Claw -Zen Headbutt -Shadow Claw -Swords Dance, Curse, or Bulk Up for boosting -Taunt, Spikes, and Reflect for utility options -Body Slam -Crunch -Earthquake -Belly Drum
@ing4gi
4 ай бұрын
Arcanine might be another one. Great overall stats with great overall movepool, but making it usabel can be hard in a lot of gens bc it's hard to pick which coverage/support moves to give it.
@kakalukio
4 ай бұрын
I just wish we got 2 seperate sets of movelslots for setup/status/utility moves & combat moves. There are so many times I come up with a build that's 5 or 6 moves that includes 2-3 utility and 2-3 combat moves. And removing even a single move makes the build fall flat. And sure, those build might be absurdly gimmicky and probably aren't geat. But it'd be nice if I could at least use it for fun when playing against friends, or even the AI.
@cymonin5549
3 ай бұрын
I love that they're adding more viable moves to pokemon. I always hated feeling like I had to run the same stuff eachtime i ran with a 'mon, but with all these ones with many support moves, or extra amazing coverage moves, I love mixing it up to fit my team better. Also, it becomes a guessing game for the opponent to try to figure out what kit I'm running, and I like that. Having only 1 viable way to play a 'mon is just so boring.
@incandescence5547
5 ай бұрын
One time I had a dream that Whimsicott got Spore and Rage Powder but it didn't usually run them because its 4MSS was that bad
@slyfox7452
5 ай бұрын
Toxapex suffers from only having 4 slots as haze recover and scald are mustsbut it would love to either run toxic spikes or protect to stall.
@everettw.9610
5 ай бұрын
It really depends on the format - toxic spikes are far better for singles, protect is far better for doubles.
@mangouschase
4 ай бұрын
It makes 100% sense that a luchador mon has access to helping hand tho
@daxdleader719
5 ай бұрын
I never thought there would be more pokemon than moves
@AriehAnkri
5 ай бұрын
how you didn't talk about infernape? Flare blitz, Fire Punch, Raging Fury, close combat, drain punch, mach punch, u turn, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Fake out, Knock Off, Flame Charge, Feint Flamethrower, Overheat, Aura Sphere, focus blast, vacuum wave, grass knot, Tera Blast Nasty Plot, Sword Dance, Stealth Rock, Taunt, Will o Wisp, Slack Off, Switcheroo, Encore
@jmcbango
5 ай бұрын
You misconstrue versatility with 4 moveslot syndrome. For example: youre not running nasty plot and sd on the same set, or flare blitz and fire punch. Its more a matter of picking what you want it to do and going from there: Physical - sd, blitz, cc, u-turn/eq Special - plot, vacuum, fire blast, grass knot Utility - rocks, u turn, knock off, cc Once you decide what youre going for, you dont really miss the stuff you didnt pick
@nonplayercharacter12333
3 ай бұрын
Instruct on Incineroar would go hard
@iliya1933
5 ай бұрын
Appletun would run and find at least some use for nearly every move in its move list if it could.
@i-am-a-pear
4 ай бұрын
You either get a pokemon with only decent stab attacks and mid status moves or too many good moves so you have to choose from only 4 of them (looking at you magnezone for the first one)
@emanuelebuschettu3361
5 ай бұрын
ogerpon can use ivy cudgel, spiky shield, horn leach, grassy glide, wood hammer, sword dance, leach seed, synthesis, superpower, sunny day, rain dence, follow me, play rough, u-turn, taunt, knok off, solar blade and throat chop, i you could have 4 different ogerpon in a team with not a single moove repetition
@mamelouk
5 ай бұрын
Funny thing is the part I disagree with is Whimsicott being a slightly worst Tailwind setter than Tornadus. While its offensive abilities are worse, it can still resist or be a threat to some common pokemons like Urshifu which it can ohko with Moonblast (which is more reliable than Bleakwind Storm), but most importantly it gets access to some other really good support moves that Tornadus doesn't have: Encore (probably the best one), Memento, Switcheroo, Leech Seed, Light Screen, Helping Hand, Charm, Stun Spore, Fake Tears, and a few more that I don't think are relevant. And it gets U-Turn as well. What Tornadus has over Whimsicott: access to all 4 weathers (Whimsicott only has Sunny Day) and offensive set up moves like Bulk Up or Nasty Plot. Tornadus cannot pivot or lock opponents on one move with a Trick/Switcheroo choice item strat, nor with Encore. It just hits harder and is good in rain teams, but I wouldn't say it is better than Whimsicott altogether. Also Whimsicott is faster which allows it to naturally outspeed Incarnate Tornadus/Thundurus, Maushold, Serperior and it can at least tie with non boosted Iron Valiant. I know these arguments do not weigh much one by one but putting them all together just kinda makes me feel like Whimsicott is the better Tailwind user as long as we're only considering them as support pokemons. And of course I don't consider Tornadus to be a bad pokemon at all, it's my staple for VGC rain teams after all.
@Ezecool-3105
5 ай бұрын
You said memento twice
@mamelouk
5 ай бұрын
@@Ezecool-3105 oops my b I fixed it
@waltlock8805
4 ай бұрын
Ideally, all pokemon would have "four move syndrome" to force you to make hard choices.
@roakey5800
5 ай бұрын
I'm kinda suprised Hisuian Samurott isn't mentioned, he would be so much better if he were able to run all the moves he actually wants.
@jmcbango
5 ай бұрын
Like what? What do you need besides ceaseless, water stab, and sacred sword? Only think i could see would be the argument of flip turn vs aqua jet
@roakey5800
5 ай бұрын
@@jmcbango Samurott would like to run Ceaseless Edge, Razor Shell/Aqua Cutter, Prio Aqua Jet/Sucker Punch, Knock off, Sacred Sword, Aerial Ace, Protect, Flip Turn, and Sword's Dance. Counting the / as one option, that's 9 moves, and in doubles, Ceaseless Edge and Protect are not optional, so you have two spots left for 7 moves
@orion_starchaser
5 ай бұрын
2:56 "Babe, wake up. New PokéRap just dropped."
@ahkilleuskosmos6836
5 ай бұрын
My friends call this the "suffering from success" syndrome.
@PAPAZUKl
5 ай бұрын
4MS is why blaziken cannot rise out to OU. It has so many coverage options, such as Thunder punch, stone miss, EQ, poison jab and many others, but it cant run them all at once, and it needs swords dance in order to actually deal damage
@MrPatrickbuit
4 ай бұрын
Yeah Blaziken is the first mon I think of when I hear 4MS, especially back in the days of XY ubers where it more or less needed to run protect as well.
@DD-to5ig
5 ай бұрын
Pokemon should have a signature move + 4 learned moves.
@edgargaebolg9307
5 ай бұрын
This is a thing in many Digimon games (if not all) and I love it
@TampaBayGator20
5 ай бұрын
That just wouldn’t work because you’d have to come up with 1000 different unique moves with their own special combination of secondary effects and base power
@edgargaebolg9307
5 ай бұрын
@@TampaBayGator20 Not really, for most mons you could just rework existing moves. Like Fearow could just have Flying Drill Run, maybe just lower or increase its base power by 5-10 points
@TampaBayGator20
5 ай бұрын
@@edgargaebolg9307 The point is that’ll put us up to slightly over 1,950 total moves, there’s no way we won’t end up with two that are exactly the same, which would be redundant. Plus I just find that’s way too much unnecessary work to come up with 1000 new move names
@edgargaebolg9307
5 ай бұрын
@@TampaBayGator20 That happened with Digimon and there weren't too many problems. Redundancy should be expected with so much to work. And if you think about it, it's already a thing. Roar of Time is just Dragon Hyper Beam, Dragon Ascent is just Flying Close Combat...
@Skivv5
3 ай бұрын
Snorlax is my favorite pokemon, and while he's not very commonly used in competitive anymore, i love making him work on my teams. he always wants to run belly drum body slam (or body press) for damage, and since that doesen't activate berries anymore, i just use leftovers or something else on him for extra survivability, as belly drum leaves him weak. i also want to run rest to heal him from belly drum, but that also leaves him quite weak to nay fighting type close combats. so i wanna run snore so he can deal damage while asleep, BUT this leaves no room for protect, any coverage, encore, facade, gunk shot, or spread.
@SupremeKingZA-RC
Ай бұрын
Stop running body press it scales in power based on defense and Snorlax’s defense stat is only 65
@Skivv5
Ай бұрын
@@SupremeKingZA-RC I said body slam OR press. This comment is outdated and what I should be doing is still running the berry/gluttony combo. No snore, as he has no spark, and no rest, as I play doubles so ill just have a healer anyway. You called out the only thing that ISN'T wrong with my combo.
@SupremeKingZA-RC
Ай бұрын
@@Skivv5 It should’ve never been used to begin with
@Skivv5
Ай бұрын
@@SupremeKingZA-RC yeah ok but i usually didn't use it anyway cuz STAB.
@SupremeKingZA-RC
Ай бұрын
@@Skivv5 yeah overall it’s not a bad strategy when I use snorlax I usually don’t use belly drum but if you can get it off safety Snorlax is a monster
@flyingnematode
4 ай бұрын
With cleff... worth mentioning cosmic power, stored power, flame thrower. Starmie... bolt-beam, psychic/psyshock, recover, rapid spin.... surf/scald/pump, teleport... seen starmie on weather team that use blizzard or thunder. Not the best user for light clay, but i think it's doable with recover
@bigfudge2031
4 ай бұрын
Grimsnarl basically has 2 move slots because the main reason you run use him is to set up both screens.
@Hyenadont
5 ай бұрын
I was under the impression that 4 moveslot syndrome was "it has a good movepool, but only has 1 real viable set, so only ever uses those 4 moves"
@allengordon6929
5 ай бұрын
One of the things I wish was if you could save sets of four moves and spend a turn switching move sets.
@HappyIsaac0420
5 ай бұрын
That.....sounds absolutely awful. No offense, but that would legitimately ruin any battling, casual or competitive. You think you have your opponents moveset figured out, only to have it swap and suddenly your counter might not be a counter anymore because "whoops, you decided to switch pokemon into what you thought was a not very effective move only to have your opponent switch movesets. Oh well, better luck next time."
@allengordon6929
5 ай бұрын
@HappyIsaac0420 well that's just another moveset you need to learn. Pokemon battles fundamentally start as guessing games after all.
@ferringsylveon219
5 ай бұрын
How is Iron Valiant punching with their smol hands?
@IronFairy
5 ай бұрын
They're for sure going to nerf Incineroar next generation. What I mean by "nerf" of course is that they're going to give it Follow Me.
@edgargaebolg9307
5 ай бұрын
And Destiny Bond, just because
@enderdudebruh8270
5 ай бұрын
heck, give it Ceaseless Edge while they're at it
@Warlord_Megatron
5 ай бұрын
Incin needs a mega evolution desperately it's very weak we somehow gotta compensate for it either not one shotting everything in sight or lowering every possible stat there is to it's minimum
@fellow9939
5 ай бұрын
honestly, considering how high Iron Valiant's attack can go should you choose a choice item, or Booster Energy just setting the attack to a maximum of 512, it makes sense that they refused to give it Play Rough to make special moves worth running at all. Sure, moonblast does slightly more base damage, but its attack is 10 points higher, meaning that play rough would end up doing more damage in the long run. and even then, when you consider the laundry list of nuclear options that is its move pool, suddenly the lack of play rough seems more reasonable.
@atleast1x3
5 ай бұрын
Incinenaroar is so broken even to it's weakened by this it is weakened due to having too many moves available not due to hard times choosing moves.
@Regeor
5 ай бұрын
It’s always better to have too many great moves instead of too few. It just means you have to decide what place that Mon has on your team.
@devilkera
3 ай бұрын
I ran into 4 moveslot syndrome alot with accelgor and cradily cause they get so much utility moves that I struggle to fit something that actually deals damage in their moveset (i know they don't really see much vgc use but going off meta was a fun way to play untill paradox and UBs claimed the entire meta)
@childdeleter2224
5 ай бұрын
Dual Wingbeat not being there is really hurting me for dragonite
@alexanderwagner4095
5 ай бұрын
I would be cool if they introduced some mechanic where Pokemon can have a different amount of moves
@jmcbango
5 ай бұрын
They already have that its called the move deleter /s
@alexanderwagner4095
5 ай бұрын
@@jmcbango I mean that more that different Pokémon can have a different amount of their can have as a maximum, like a Mewtu can have six moves but a Bidoof only three or something similar.
@looksfineforme9471
5 ай бұрын
Mewtwo has struggled with the 4 moveslot syndrome ever since its inception
@TheCobraKing209
4 ай бұрын
So many possibilities, and only four move slots
@jorgehuertas3995
5 ай бұрын
I wonder if Gliscor is here. I would love to run substitute, protect, roost, toxic, swords dance, earthquake, knock off, acrobatics... and fling
@panetoneninjacanal2692
5 ай бұрын
He just be pokerapping all the moves a single pokemon can use
@Asidders
5 ай бұрын
Great video, please add the stats and the type of the Pokémon you're discussing. I'm a tremendous Pokécasual and know nothing of these new Pokémon. 🙏
@Tabako-san
5 ай бұрын
Fuck it, we Gigaton Hammer. Fuck it, we Gigaton Hammer. Fuck it, we Gigaton Hammer. Fuck it, we Gigaton Hammer. Tinkaton truly is the real thinking man's Pokemon for overcoming this problem.
@ravinaleandrea8703
5 ай бұрын
I actually competitivly play clefairy, and It Is PERFECT with Just prot, sing, follow me and endevour (which idk why you didnt mention)
@b0ss124
5 ай бұрын
I think smeargle has 4 slot syndrome
@johnozzmond9728
5 ай бұрын
Lotta Pokemon have that problem. Like Tyrantrum is a favorite of mine, and for good options you got Dragon Dance Outrage Stone Edge Earthquake Crunch Fire Fang Ice Fang Thunder Fang Poison Fang And probably a couple others I'm forgetting Feraligatr too, has boosting options, Aqua Jet, and learns strong attacks in about ten different types They ought to make a held item that lets it have a fifth move, or do something stupid rare like gold bottle caps to add a moveslot
@DaveHelios99
5 ай бұрын
I wish protecting was an option parallel to the 4 moves.
@MetalSam25
5 ай бұрын
Yo, you all remember Ash's Snorlax knowing more than 4 moves?
@ziggenplays1208
3 ай бұрын
Golurk is on this list, honorary mention
@Zombie5675
5 ай бұрын
Bloodmoon Ursaluna suffers from this in Draft as well. Hyper Voice and Blood Moon are a standard, but to not get folded by special attacks you need Calm Mind and Protect as well. What about your Ground STAB? Ditch Blood Moon? Or Hyper Voice? What about coverage with Tera? What about priority Vacuum Wave since it's slow. Also Reshiram to an extent but it's moveslot is dictated by the generational gimmick I feel like.
@joshuaguzman6211
3 ай бұрын
There’s a difference between flexibility & 4MSS. Iron Valiant can make strong sets without needing another move unlike Blaziken
@blueredlover1060
5 ай бұрын
I think that 4 moves spots is a good spot to be at though. It'd be way too easy to load up a sweeper like Iron Valiant with 5 attacking moves and a support move with 6 slots and have it defeat teams easily in its own.
@Sindi_real
4 ай бұрын
I think infernape is also a huge victim of this syndrome
@sleepdeep305
5 ай бұрын
How is this a bad thing? It only adds to their unpredictability in a competitive environment
@TheAxolotlKingOfficial
5 ай бұрын
People finally getting used to Ubers Terastalization: 😈
@Aura_OfTheWay
5 ай бұрын
Started this list strong af … It’s crazy how this hinders some Pokemon and limits other …
@freekadriaans380
5 ай бұрын
Just run metronome on Clefairy, then you'll have all those moves and even more. ;)
@y.f8139
4 ай бұрын
How can iron valiant be a victim if it's one of the best pokemon in the tier?
@suly5836
5 ай бұрын
I dont think valiant suffers from this that much, they just have a really versatile movepool from which a lot of sets have been created, I say this is a much bigger problem for the enemy.
@door-chan
5 ай бұрын
incineroar being like the best pokemon ever and still being in this video goes to show that this video isn't very understanding of what the 4 moveslot syndrome actually refers to
@linkthepringlesman3951
4 ай бұрын
0:22 False. In Let’s Go Pikachu/Eevee, your starter has a fifth move, either Pika Papow or Veevee Volley.
@SupremeKingZA-RC
Ай бұрын
Those barely count and this further prove that those starters should never leave let’s go
@the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8
5 ай бұрын
Pretty much the entire ralts line and affiliates is a victim due to their insane movepool and the needs to take out opponents fast
@jamesfeng24
5 ай бұрын
man, no shoutout to my boi raging bolt? You have calm mind, protect, thunderclap, thunderbolt, dragon pulse, Draco meteor, snarl, electroweb, dude can run any set you want. Hell, it even has heavy slam for flutter, volt switch, breaking swipe, dragon cheer, thunder wave, etc which are never run because the rest of its movepool is so insane.
@T4N7
5 ай бұрын
Before my stall team got completely nerfed in 7th gen, i ran Whimsicott of a few teams. I had 1 with Beat Up for those shenanigans but n another I can't remember but the best 1 I had was Taunt, Encore, Leech Seed, n Substitute. Ya, no attacking moves on a Prankster, powerful back then but useless now since all Dark types r immune to it, I also had a Prankster Sableye with offensive moves too, n Mega Gengar who relied on the Levitate to switch in on n then Disable Ground moves like Earthquake. Can u see how my team got nerfed into oblivion n y I stopped playing?
@betagamer398
5 ай бұрын
This guys has never seen Gallade’s moveset😂
@theribtickler6974
5 ай бұрын
Crazy that he didn’t mention smergal
@jmcbango
5 ай бұрын
Eh. Hazard(s) + spore is rlly all you need in singles. For doubles, ig its spore + protect + fake out + (insert gimmick move, i.e follow me, decorate, etc) and you dont rlly ever need more than one of the gimmick moves in the same set
@june9914
4 ай бұрын
I don’t know if this iron valiant is choice specs or choice band or calm mind booster energy or expert belt or choice scarf or nasty plot until I watch inside this box *iron valiant used encore!* I don’t know
@dstinnettmusic
4 ай бұрын
Excuse me. The proper way to play is to have four attacking moves. My Charizard needs Ember, Flamethrower, Fireblast and Fire Spin
@spectra1096
5 ай бұрын
I skipped ahead at the incineroar part but had to back up cuz i thought they actually gave it Spiky shield😂
@Celtic_Mav
10 күн бұрын
Whats the background song
@x_bell1142
10 күн бұрын
@@Celtic_Mav this is the battle tower music from sword and shield
@Entwined.Destinies
5 ай бұрын
4:07 does dual wing beat js not exist at all anymore???
@x_bell1142
5 ай бұрын
Dragonite can't learn dual wingbeat anymore starting in Scarlet and Violet!
@jmcbango
5 ай бұрын
Its still in the game tho salamence gets it
@NotBamOrBing
4 ай бұрын
Lmao at The Pokemon Is You as the bgm
@thepaintingbanjo8894
5 ай бұрын
I hope the next pokemon gen's gimmick is to solve the problems with 4 moveslots, since terrastilization made typings not even matter anymore for this one.
@AirO6
5 ай бұрын
I'm a noob so why is 4 slot syndrome bad?
@arafzaman760
5 ай бұрын
Another mon that suffers from 4 move syndrome is Tornadus in VGC Tailwind Bleakwind storm Air slash(A lot of top players hate missing Bleakwind storm) Icy wind Sunny day Rain dance Taunt Leer (it got top 8 in a regional with it,enabling dark urshi to do more damage) Protect Scary face
@jakejake11112
5 ай бұрын
this isnt 4ms though, you arent gonna run 2 weathers, or tail wind and icy wind. just need tailwind, a weather (rain to help bleakwind), bleakwind, then either protect or taunt really
@duck-1109
5 ай бұрын
very cool video!
@ZerupyLikesCookies
5 ай бұрын
didnt even know iron valiant had al l these moves
@Laezar1
5 ай бұрын
not sure if you can call them "victims" when it's pokemons that have so many options they don't know what to pick. An actual victim of a 4moveslot syndrome would be a pokemon that would need a 5th moveslot to function but ends up not being able to fullfill a potentialy really strong role because it can't get everything going together and ends up just weak.
@MajorasWrath1
3 ай бұрын
Need a romhack with six moves on a pokemon
@AlexRiversMusic
5 ай бұрын
Putting 20 random moves in a list like Leaf Blade iron valiant.. for no reason.. when it doesn’t even need or use that.. isn’t really supporting a “needs more moveslot” syndrome. And I’ve been #1 in the OU ladder before.
@JShortsFR
5 ай бұрын
Guys, look, we have a professional over here.
@chelmrtz
4 ай бұрын
Why not try different movesets with the same Pokémon? I like Pokémon that have wide move pools because I can play around with different ideas
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