Bit of a long comment, but I want to be perfectly clear. I don't think less of any Sonic fan who thinks these characters are or were ever flanderized. I just don’t agree with the belief that they are. At the end of the day, you are free to have that opinion cuz it wouldn’t be the sonic fandom if we didn’t have wildly varying opinions on subjects like this. I just want people to give more in-depth reasonings as to why they don’t like the way these characters were written in the 2010s including any I didn’t mention in the video. Again, it's not necessary, but if you're talking about the characters & the way they're written I personally think things need to be explained to some degree. Regardless, whether you think the characters were derailed, flanderized or just flat out written poorly, I think I can safely say that most of us think Zavok sucks am I right???
@dn22pkkdd476
Ай бұрын
Bit of a short comment here, but I do think less of any Sonic fan who thinks these characters are or ever were flanderized. Also Zavok is alright am I right?
@existential_narwal9257
Ай бұрын
I really think knuckles arc in frontiers is weird cause like you said knuckles has already been going on adventures and stuff not related to the master emerald, and also hanging with his friends since sonic heroes. But in frontiers he has an arc where he realizes that he wants to explore the world more and hang out with friends more even though thats exactly what he's been doing for years. Like riders for example, he absolutely did not have to be there and could've been guarding the master emerald, but he decided to hang out with sonic and tails doing cool air-boarding tricks. Or another example sonic generations, knuckles is there at sonic's birthday, also not guarding the master emerald. Finally, Sonic Battle; Knuckles literally lives on the ground watching TV. Knuckles has basically already had that arc from frontiers, but just never out-right said. Although this doesn't excuse knuckles absolutely leaving the master emerald unguarded for anyone to get there hands on, it just goes to show that knuckles has already pretty much been doing what frontier claims its trying to do. Essentially what frontiers does is revert knuckles to how he was in adventure at the beginning of his arc, and then re-progress his character to how he was after heroes after his arc. Basically meaning we don't get to see anything new or meaningful added to his character just things we've already seen. It would have been more interesting to see something that builds on the preivous games, maybe knuckles is feeling like he let down the team as a leader after his failures in forces and sonic is there to help him out, or something like that. Also, Amy in frontiers; I really think that instead of just already seeing amy being a person who's grown past their love of sonic in frontiers, I would've much rather see how she grew into that person in the first place. Cause going from lovestruck amy in previous games to mellowed out amy in frontiers is a little jarring. I get it might be a natural thing for her, but I really would've like to have see that development on screen.
@DellStarX
Ай бұрын
You took that point about Knuckles I made & drew conclusions I didn't even think about. It is strange that they're basically retreading territory unnecessarily with him. Imo Knuckles' story in frontiers should've been to vow to learn more about the origins of the meralds & the master emerald which they could tie into him exploring away from the M.E.. Him leaving it unguarded can easily be explained with stuff like he hid in inside hidden palace or the ruins of sky santuary etc. I will agree that some of Amy's development has been a little jarring if you've only played the games, but even then, the comics don't start until after forces. In the 2010s they definitely toned down her consistent crushing on Sonic, but because we never saw much of Amy until forces, it does lack proper development, which is one of my main points. Thanks for the comment o7
@Allmalegangbang
Ай бұрын
Yoooo that’s me in the community post! And i agree with this all
@Mugen2024
Ай бұрын
I disagree, at some points they were "flanderized", like from Sonic Colors to Forces. Others who also went through the same thing were Amy, Shadow and Tails. I heard that even SEGA had "rules" that forced the writers to make them superficial. You can't deny that. The character who suffered the most from this was Shadow, because after SA2, they made him inconsistent, wanting him to be a Vegeta from the Sonic verse and that is a stupid idea. Amy's obsession. Knuckles who was erased for a while until Forces. Tails was also simply erased for a long time in participation in the plot, limited to secondary and support, and often not even that. Frontiers was great in terms of bringing these characters with interactions with Sonic. Shadow will have a Highlight in Sonic X Shadow Generations, and it's already clear that he will respect Shadow a lot, after all, it's his year.
@DellStarX
Ай бұрын
You offered zero examples for everything you just said. You pretty much said the same shallow stuff I've heard and read from Sonic fans online about these characters. Yeah SEGA definitely had mandates on the characters that limited what writers for other sonic series like the comics and boom could do, but I honestly think you're just saying flanderization when you mean that theres been a lack of prescene or development for some of these characters. Thats not the same thinf as being flanderized. Their time on screen wasn't great because pontaff were a shitty writing duo. It's not a simple case of flanderization imo. Tails played a pivotal role in advancing the plot in stories like colors & Sonic lost world. I dont even wanna begin to defend that game, but it feels like you just haven't paid attention to the stories. Sorry if this sounds insulting. Im not trying to be. I just forced myself to watch all the cutscenes for these games that I dont like & walked away with a different outlook. I do agree with your last part about Shadow he is getting more time with his character than he was in the 2010s & I think Shadow generations is gonna be really good.
@DellStarX
Ай бұрын
Wait hold on did you actually watch the video before commenting because a lot of the stuff you said about Shadow in particular I addressed in the video. If you disagree with what I said there then thats fine but you calling him Vegeta is really funny.
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