Bill Black is still drawing and inking FemForce. I worked for AC for a few years. Bill and Mark are both great guys.
@allydrawsthings
Жыл бұрын
this makes me happy to know
@albaniahenry-franklin2829
Жыл бұрын
HOLY SH*T!! You guys went deep into the vault for this one. Bill Black's Americomics were some of my favorite comics from the early 1980s went I seriously got into collecting. Bright colors, high quality paper and a host of up and coming talented artists. Do more AC reviews!
@arcadiaberger9204
Жыл бұрын
Even though I bought that comic new off the rack, I didn't recognize it as being "Watchmen Before Watchmen", but indeed it was....
@empyreanvole
Жыл бұрын
I'm spotting multiple traced figures- Blue Beetle especially, lol. But man, I loved the silver age nostalgia too, no matter how much it gets roasted. I personally think superheroes really are meant to be for kids (but adults can enjoy them too). I mean, think of it, the grittiest of superheroes right now is about a guy who dresses up as a bat. Its ridiculous, but a lot of fun. For all of the pushing forward that Watchman was, I think there's a video from one of his talks: "ALAN MOORE - TOM STRONG / SUPERHEROES" is the title, where he mentions he kinda regrets that people took Watchmen as a model, and started deconstructing all of the superhero stories.
@cultofj3777
Жыл бұрын
I worked for AC back in 2014. I really learned a lot from Stephanie and Mark Heike, had a super positive experience working for them. But they absolutely did NOT like it whenever I tried to give my art a more modern look! The fanbase is small but very loyal.
@Therealmrmeow
Жыл бұрын
Super fun! Love it. Kayfabe has an amazing through line connecting all of their videos yet every video is something new every time.
@karlbrubaker2593
Жыл бұрын
Greg Guler drew the Hawk and Dove regular series after the Liefeld miniseries. Issues 18 and 19 were a Ditko celebration and 19 is one of my favorite comics of all time.
@timothymarkin4481
Жыл бұрын
Wow, I’ve owned this book for a long time; been considering throwing it in a $1 box in our yard sale but will certainly keep it now!
@evanlindsey1100
Жыл бұрын
The art reminds me of the illustrations in old 80s superhero rpgs Champions and Villains & Vigilantes. Still it was interesting to see this book.
@davidcrowe5524
Жыл бұрын
@@wtk6069 Champions AND Villains and Vigilantes had mini series from Eclipse. Champions went to self-publishing after that and is still around, mostly with Flare.
@evanlindsey1100
Жыл бұрын
@@wtk6069 I think that was for one or two initial series before getting published by Hero Graphics.
@davedave3023
Жыл бұрын
Damn I just grabbed a fat stack of these last months for 10 bucks... score
@Ko-D-Moon
Жыл бұрын
Nice deep cut guys! Love the dynamic art going on in there!
@vavavavoom1503
Жыл бұрын
Bob McLeod worked for Bill at his start. In fact, 20 something years ago, at a convention, Bill introduced me to Bob McLeod, Paul Ryan, Rik Levins, Bill Marimon, and tons of others. Gulacy, Pat Broderick, Perez. You'd be surprised.
@xraypunch5959
Жыл бұрын
This sounds dope, where the fuck is the TPB for this?
@carlosvazquez12
Жыл бұрын
If you mix it with Watchmen, the result will be an AC/DC comic.
@drawingdownthestars
Жыл бұрын
Really interesting history discussed with this one. Would love to hear more about Bill Black. Fantastic episode.
@traie1970
Жыл бұрын
Bought many of these back in the 80s and as you say they've been quarter and dollar bin fodder for decades. I pick them up when I see them, fun books for sure. Very much rooted in the silver/bronze era when it comes to storytelling and art. You even get the occasional Perez cover.
@FemboyCatGaming
Жыл бұрын
Watchmen always had a vaguely classic look in the art with the emphasis on smaller, cramped panels and the 9 panel grid
@matthewmckinnon-gray9957
Жыл бұрын
I believe Greg Guler worked on DC’s hawk and dove ongoing series in the 80s and has worked in animation on shows like Gargoyles
@rbiznezz2
Жыл бұрын
Greg Guler: a name I associate with Hawk & Dove of the 80s/90s when DC produced an ongoing series post-Liefeld.
@illustratism9236
Жыл бұрын
Love the designs and color comp on these guys. Gonna keep an eye out for the Sentinels
@carlosapompa2095
Жыл бұрын
Greg Guler would fill in for Steve Rude on Nexus
@raiderbear1
Жыл бұрын
Awesome work guys
@poppaspank
Жыл бұрын
I worked in a comics shop (The Book Stop) during the mid/late '80s. The Black and White Boom, the Smut Glut, the dawn of the Bad Girl era. I bought FemForce for a few years. Entertaining, and as you said, an old fashioned flat color comic not trying to revolutionize the industry. I bought the books with Gulacy covers just for the covers. My favorite AC characters were Dragonfly and Colt the Weapons Mistress - both very well drawn features. FemForce was pre-"Bad Girl" - they were out of the old Good Girl Art tradition - or tried to be. About them publishing convention sketches... they held some sort of pin-up contest/amateur art contest. I think they accepted my Dragonfly drawing - accepted in the sense of telling me "you win" - I don't remember if they paid me anything and I don't remember seeing it in print. (I'm clocked in here on KZitem as Poppaspank but back then I was using the name Randy H. Crawford and publishing as Nice Day Comix.) We always had a spot for AC and FemForce on the top shelf, over the DC and Marvels. Of course in those days they were also competing with Eclipse, First, Comico, Pacific, Mirage, Eagle. Kitchen Sink, Tundra and so on at the same time that there were still Archie and Harvey and Disney over on the spinner rack. Even the last days of Charlton. So many companies that went under, I guess Archie will be around forever and I'm glad to hear that AC is still out there.
@bronzevillecomics2581
10 ай бұрын
I’ve lately been getting into the Charlton characters, picking up some silver age keys. I did enjoy the series that DC did for a bunch of those characters in the 80s.
@androod6211
Жыл бұрын
See? You mention Axel Pressbutton, so now I have to dig out my Warrior magazines and find the instructions on how to make a Zirk from a balloon, paper mache and an egg carton.
@SloreTactician
Жыл бұрын
Haha, the shop I worked for stopped working the Pittsburgh con as soon as the michael george thing came out. It's a shame, that was one of my favorite shows to work at. The kids were teenagers and happy to help unload your truck for a good tip, the promoters would pass out mcdonald's to the exhibitors, and I appreciated the open bar afterparties as well.
@Therealmrmeow
Жыл бұрын
Wait what? I mean a Kayfabe video already means you got my full attention 100%, so what's another 100%.
@markditko4363
Жыл бұрын
Love it!!! You guys rock!!
@michaelfletcher4423
Жыл бұрын
I bought this many, many years ago! I love AC comics and the FemForce!
@ivane5110
Жыл бұрын
Man did I love getting my hands on this comic way back when. It wasn't on par with the DC and Marvel I was getting, but as a long time Charlton fan it was what we had finally hoped for the biggest team-up to date. All it was missing was Thunderbolt and Peacekeeper. At that point the last we'd seen was the flawed but cool Blue Beetle/Question team-up (Charlton Bullesye?). And a vew years before that anything. Thats how you know you love a comic universe, being willing to hold out years between appearances. The only part I didn't like was Captain Atom's off character personality. Blue Beetle had a cool solo issue or two too from AC (even had Dan Garret/Silver Age Blue Beetle come back). Whst a disappointment when the next issue had the Sentinels completely recast with no mention of the Action Heroes (I clearly hadn't bothered with the ending editorial box; no doubt since it wasn't from Thomas, Wolfman, Schwartz, Shooter or Lee). But just months later the bittersweet return in Crisis. For several glorious issues (before realizing a part of my childhood was being erased and rebooted) we got to see these characters in a dream come true; top artist, top writer and actually right alongside the DC universe! And even better, allowed to keep their independence with their own Earth.
@jessmccart3937
Жыл бұрын
I found an old AC comic at a consignment shop it had the Blue Beetle the Dan Garret beetle and explained the origin . This issue was before DC got into the act I had read some Justice League with the Beetle in them but AC did it better with that one issue.
@javib2978
9 ай бұрын
I got the actual Before Watchmen books released in the 2010's. On google play. I don't find it bad and a cash grab. Who knows if last two volumes if Before Watchmen will ever see the light of day? Only time will tell.
@alejandrogomez6834
Жыл бұрын
I sighed when I saw this one, deserved to be discovered. Interesting that I also discovered on a forgotten bin that nobody cared, the cover screamed to be part of my collection and picked this one, I even told the owner what he was selling, not amazed btw. I paid and you know, saving the comics nobody care and know ...
@thomaswebb2584
Жыл бұрын
I have this somewhere and loved it! There's a pre-Watchmen issue of All-star Squadron that has Ozymandias' plan to end WW2 BEFORE Moore's comic was even published!!! I believe it is in the #30s issues.
@thomaswebb2584
Жыл бұрын
I was wrong---issues 11 & 12 or 12 & 13. The whole scientist plan to scare the world into peace by using an alien threat. Published in 1982!!!
@thewkovacs316
Жыл бұрын
this is a great find
@mirkojanmacke5401
Жыл бұрын
Hahaha, I have this comic. Bought it in the late 80s as a young teenager in Berlin Schöneberg, Akazienstraße. Still have it somewhere. I love Watchmen, it never occured to me, but yeah... This is the New Minutemen.
@pulp2pixelmedia152
Жыл бұрын
This was a dollar bin find for me as well.
@AvengCalifornication
Жыл бұрын
Would honestly like if DC brought this team back
@bearsfunnypages
Жыл бұрын
I've got issue #5. Entire different cast
@MichaelRBrown-lh6kn
Жыл бұрын
Got that when it came out. I was getting AC Comics at the time and was a big Charlton Action Heroes fan
@mayhemcbs
Жыл бұрын
Exceptional find
@p.chacon
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Bill Black for FemForce !
@JakobNoone
Жыл бұрын
Blyberg did DNAgents with Mark Evanier, IIRC.
@scottnichols7088
Жыл бұрын
He's also won 6 Eisner awards; one for Space Ghost Special in 1988, then five more for his work on Astro City in 1997 and 1998.
@profpurge
Жыл бұрын
Huh, I picked up and enjoyed some AC comics way back in the day, wasn't sure they were still around till a few years ago when I was interested enough to search the web...looks like Femme Force is mostly published for good guy/bad girl art sales and those with a kink for giantesses/muscle-women (not judging, just noticing-we all like what we like!).
@alexauclair1
Жыл бұрын
Got all these americomics great stuff
@gmosphere
Жыл бұрын
5:49 isnt that just Dynamite Comics publishing?
@phillipcummings3518
Жыл бұрын
I bought two copies from mycomicshop while watching the video. They were like $3.
@DWNicolo
Жыл бұрын
Have this.
@MRaadesign
Жыл бұрын
Cool to see Bill Black and AC comics getting coverage. You guys are really reaching on this one. This isn't any sort of Watchmen Before Watchmen. It's just Charlton after Charlton.
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