Never in my entire professional career in television and digital video have I ever been asked to deliver a final file in 4K. The standard for delivery is still 1080p and will continue to be for along time. There are some great bargains to be had in old cinema cameras that don't shoot 4K. The C300 Mark 1 for example is an AMAZING camera that you can pick up used from around $1000.
@H0kieJoe
4 жыл бұрын
TV isn't the only medium now though (thankfully). And remember, ATSC3 is just around the corner.
@ZedExGaming
4 жыл бұрын
I mean Netflix already demands 4k so maybe it's closer than you think
@jas_bataille
4 жыл бұрын
Let's be honest here : almost nobody shooting in 4K actually need to shoot in 4K. Netflix will ask that you deliver in 4K - alright, alright... but that's only because they want to offer 4K streaming. And no one but a few individual can actually stream 4K... because it takes and in-sa-ne bandwith, a 4K screen, 4K cables, and insane connection stability. Very, very few people have this. The vast majority who "stream in 4K" *think* they stream in 4K, but in fact, they're *not*. "4K" just became a go-to marketing term that impresses anyone who doesn't know anything about this business. The vast majority of 4K cameras are cheap as hell, and pixel density is the *last thing that matters*. Stream Netflix's Altered Carbon at 540p and you'll get what I'm saying. The dynamic range from the large-format Arri that have been used in this series for the first time is so insane, your eyes forget about the pixels anyway, since this is motion picture... and yes, if I concentrate I can see pixels in 1080p. But it doesn't bother me to have a no more than an ok wifi when I watch Netflix because what matters is the lighting, lens choice, focus-pulling and dynamic range of the camera and nothing more. The whole "I got a 4K camera and I can bake-in a LUT so I'm a DP now" thing just gets me real fed-up.
@chrisw5742
4 жыл бұрын
@Andres Bonilla Network news may as well film in 240p to hide any truth of this world
@Haldered
4 жыл бұрын
obviously never worked for Netflix lol (i take your point though, and the chances of landing a lucrative Netflix deal are very small for us indies, if we're even aiming for that)
@donwalker2715
4 жыл бұрын
I bought this camera when it was released 10 years ago along with a set of Angenieux Optimo DP zooms, 16-42 & 30-80. It replaced my Sony F900 and Canon Cine B4 mount lenses. The F3/Angenieux combination was used for many local commercials and corporate videos. At that time I was also an early adapter of off board recording. I paired the F3 with a Cinedeck recorder. Something 10 years ago was unheard of on professional productions. They didn’t understand that I was giving them 10bit 4:4:4 RGB in Prores. Something at that time was only possible on a $125,000.00 Panasonic D5 deck and no Prores. Today no one bats an eye at an off board recorder but then no one understood what an awesome product I was delivering by doing it that way. Sony made a wired remote “paintbox” that gave me control of all the menu functions of the camera. I would actually “paint” the look with the DP and burned it in for delivery, no post color correction was done to the footage. The F3 and the lenses are still in my inventory. The camera doesn’t get used any longer but the lenses do. There’s something to be said for investing in good glass instead of cameras I guess. No baloney Sony. Good stuff. Enjoyed your video. Being from Detroit I can’t help but leave you with a line from a Bob Seger song “I thought to myself...shit I’ve known that for 10 years!”
@RawAutos
4 жыл бұрын
More of this, please. I love the idea and originality around older Cine cameras that can be had for “cheap”.
@chriscorley6478
4 жыл бұрын
This SONY F3 is a testament to great SUPER 35 engineering. I learned on a similar ENG camera (EX-1) and realized these cameras set a better standard (2K/1920/1080) for the modern era of image quality, by keeping things stable. 4K/8K just allow better high dynamic range capture -- but 2K keeps everything very efficient. Ideally, we have more tools than we actually need, due to excessive industry competition. Good video dude! 🎥🤔
@Baxman51
4 жыл бұрын
Please do the series on these old cinema cameras. This one was so cool
@andre_dominique
4 жыл бұрын
I've been using this camera for the last year as my introduction into owning my own 'big' camera. I've loved it. The colour, ease of grading slog1 and dynamic range is great. It just has a really nice look. Also, the 8bit 4:2:0 straight out of camera is awesome for most stuff, I ended up rarely using my external recorder. I thank my mentor time and time again for directing me towards a big practical beautiful camera rather than the new, impractical, hot kid on the block (BMPC) - he said "do you want to learn how to use a camera? Or just have nice specs". Beautiful image, practical camera, ease of grade trumps small form factor camera with 4k any day.... unless you're shooting for Netflix or the likes of course!
@tyranno41
4 жыл бұрын
FINALLY someone to make a series about older cinema cameras and comparing them to newer ones! Cannot wait for the future reviews! Keep up the good work!!!
@flairfilmsUK
4 жыл бұрын
YES! I Have owned this beautiful thing for years and shot hundreds of high profile projects on it. People are always asking if I used the Alexa, and are gobsmacked when I tell them about the little F3. Above everything, the image quality and colour science is just so pleasing with the S LOG. It's unreal. It's also so well designed, economical on space, and tough. Get one!
@krishnayalla676
4 жыл бұрын
I would love this segment. We are getting too caught up in new cameras rather than what really sells a better image: lighting, production design, lens, etc. If you can do a series of trying to match old cameras to the best image when compared to their new counterparts, it would be great!
@ConnerFoxx
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly yes. I haven't thought about new cameras since I got an Ursa Mini 4.6k some years ago and realized it was up to me to make things look good. After learning a lot more, I realized how much more capable my less expensive cameras had been the whole time. Now it's hard to watch people obsess over new cameras with marginally better specs... just buy more lights and save up a production design budget if you want to make something that actually comes across like a film.
@chriscorley6478
4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. Well said. ☕👏
@owlmuso
4 жыл бұрын
@@ConnerFoxx nicely said. I also recently went through a period of discovering that my old camera is a lot better than my skills give it credit for
@tomgets2985
4 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/rIFvrKCGnpyUlm0 shot on f3
@badreality2
4 жыл бұрын
And for full daylight shooting, low ISOs. My cellphone has a native ISO of 40, and it produces AMAZING colors. My Canon with a native ISO of 100... not so much.
@sonicstate
4 жыл бұрын
😐Between £2-£9k used in the UK
@Benwilo2
4 жыл бұрын
Extremely disappointing, I was ready to buy one until I looked it up :(
@crimebodge7274
3 жыл бұрын
And it's not much different in the USA. No idea how the uploader claims to have purchased this camera for $800. Clickbait I assume.
@jameswolf4263
3 жыл бұрын
@@crimebodge7274 A Sony F3 is only usually around 800-1k on ebay.
@liawjiayong
3 жыл бұрын
@@crimebodge7274 www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PMW-F3L-Camcorder-with-4-4-4-RGB-option-CASE-AND-BATTERY-INCLUDED/254780463657?epid=113366523&hash=item3b52195a29:g:SpIAAOSwAu5fswaR found this for 1k easily within 5mins, is this the same camera?
@MilesBellas
3 жыл бұрын
LENS
@FrankValchiria
3 жыл бұрын
not sure were you bought it but on ebay nothing less than 2k
@nonameexpdng
3 жыл бұрын
Same thing I noticed. Since this and a lot more videos the price raised a lot and, personally, despite I love his videos, I hate these trend-like things where everyone is compulsively buying everything without a reason (I hope I'm assuming the worst). Probably he bought it when prices weren't this up, but it's really scary how it changed in 4 months, really scary.
@FrankValchiria
3 жыл бұрын
@@nonameexpdng i thing they were never that cheap.
@nonameexpdng
3 жыл бұрын
@@FrankValchiria I actually found some F3 on Ebay on sale for 800 or less, unfortunately I didn't have the money at the time but if I had known that prices would rise as they had I'd have found a way to buy one of those.
@FrankValchiria
3 жыл бұрын
@@nonameexpdng 800 was.a.good deal.
@The-Opium-Den
3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if people watched this video and suddenly decided these cameras were for them. The problem with being a successful KZitemr is that you may influence people to buy a lot of something and unintentionally jack up the prices. For example, Scotty Kilmer did this when he praised Toyota Celicas and vintage hunting jackets went up a great deal on eBay thanks to Paul Harrell's habit of pulling guns and ammo out of his pockets.
@komebikari7773
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for using it. I designed the electric circuit and image quality adjustment of this camera. I was surprised at the low noise and good sensitivity of the image sensor.
@MDFishTanks
4 жыл бұрын
I have no intention of buying this but still enjoyed the content :)
@anteaterenthusiast
3 жыл бұрын
Omg MD fish!!
@liamm5391
3 жыл бұрын
Crazy finding you here!!
@NC17z
4 жыл бұрын
What a great review on this camera! I wouldn't be surprised if they sell like hot cakes on eBay as a result of this. One thing I should point out that I don't think was mentioned that is pretty important to know about this camera,... There was an update firmware option would allow you to shoot this camera at 444 off the sensor. It wasn't a RAW image, you would ideally use the ProRes HQ Wrapper and Codec, however, it is 444. I do know that back in the day, that is how many of the larger commercial houses used this camera. Another note, this camera was used as a B-Camera to the famous Sony F5 and F55 all the time. Credits all over the place for that. And one last thing, my true inspiration behind this camera came from one shooter who used this camera like it was an extension of his body and he is Zach Zamboni. He was the director of photography and primary shooter on the Anthony Bourdain show. I don't know about you, but I used to love the watching these shows. I couldn't get over the low light, rich color, and dynamic range I was witnessing in the show. Come to find out later that Zach shot everything on SXS cards, So, it was all the internal 420 8bit codec. You got to hand it to the editor and colorist on that show, because that footage looked Amazing. He did however, use a Fuji 19-90mm Cabrio T2.9 which I think at the time was about $40K.
@Isaac89046
4 жыл бұрын
I would to see you do a video on a Sony HDW Series camera which are part of Sony's CineAlta range but were produced in 1994, 26 years ago. They were some of the first HD camera's made and in my opinion still hold up today with custom gammas implemented which is incredible.
@neon8270
4 жыл бұрын
The green and magenta banding can be "fixed" by increasing the saturation while recording then reducing before grading. I've been doing it for over a year and I haven't noticed and gamut clipping so it's definitely worth it. (Also fixes the blotchy skin tones)
@gxrsky
4 жыл бұрын
thx for the tip
@ChristopherMasucci
4 жыл бұрын
LOVE this kind of content! Really gives a good perspective on gear and how/what to buy. You should TOTALLY do one on the BlackMagic Cinema Camera (BMCC) 2.5K (the grey bricks)!!
@RoySherfan
4 жыл бұрын
We got the used FS700 (with the 4K upgrade) and Atomos Shogun combo happening the past year and it's been awesome. Worked well with the existing FS7 and tag teamed probably 30+ productions, mostly construction / manufacturing showcases and the slomo was used to great effect. Paid for itself within a month or so. Thanks for the showcase on the F3. Now eyeing a used F3 as a studiocam.
@lucasRem-ku6eb
Жыл бұрын
the mounts on these old 32 mm CMOS is not the best solution, if you can, use original please !
@nitinb9202
4 жыл бұрын
You touched my heart, I mostly prefer opting to buy a premium pro camera that others consider outdated. These pro models are trustworthy to last. They seem outdated, lest we forget that they were star performers when released.
@KEHflipMEDIA
4 жыл бұрын
Just so everyone knows, this camera DOES NOT GO FOR 800 DOLLARS. Try 1.5k to 4k even at times.
@villagranvicent
4 жыл бұрын
Jesse Paton Reminds me Mattias Burling reviews, he always shows cameras claiming he paid like 50% less that the average price everybody else in the world can find them lol
@motogami9535
4 жыл бұрын
I bought my f3 in 2018 with a full cage for $900. I've seen them go as low as $495. Are you sure you're not looking at cameras that come with lenses?
@KEHflipMEDIA
4 жыл бұрын
Yes definitely. I think it's due to this video. Sadly. Gonna have to wait a minute.
@antwonjackson4550
4 жыл бұрын
goddamn clickbait
@astafzciba
4 жыл бұрын
I would pay max 500$ for this camera. It's basically not that impressive
@lbowesphoto
4 жыл бұрын
I would love it if you profiled the AJA Cion. Such a promising camera that got trounced because of Blackmagic announcing the Ursa Mini at half the cost. You can find them used for around $1200-$1500 now. So many negative quirks (lied about their dynamic range, no true LOG profile), but also so many positive features (wide range of codecs, global shutter, and output of 4K RAW to Atomos). For the price it was at when it came out it just wasn't good enough to compete with Blackmagic, but I wonder how good it is now that it's around the same price as a used C100 MKI
@crosbyt123ify
4 жыл бұрын
I Shot a feature film off of the Cion for free through their #TryCion Program. Needless to say, I was IMPRESSED with the Camera and the things we could do with it. We actually SAVE a bunch of shots with that Camera. Here's the trailer for it - kzitem.info/news/bejne/06yt2KNne4igbJw
@lbowesphoto
4 жыл бұрын
@@crosbyt123ify I wanted to take advantage of that so bad when it came out but I simply did not have the time or anything in mind to shoot with it. It's a shame, I feel like they could've evolved it a bit and made something better. When they announced it I remember it kind of shook the industry, and then Blackmagic showed up and everyone was just writing it off as a failure before it even came out.
@Max-lk2ro
4 жыл бұрын
@@crosbyt123ify Highlights are awful clipped. Looks pretty terrible imo.
@crosbyt123ify
4 жыл бұрын
@@Max-lk2ro It's all good. We didn't have a lot of money to purchase monitors and things like that. We shot this with whatever we had and days we had to made a feature film out of it. But I appreciate your comments and honestly. It means a lot.
@barakepstein
4 жыл бұрын
CION's are still avail through Resellers via AJA at deep deep discounts, new in box.
@petermclennan6781
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent! For someone just starting out, this is perfect. Add in an E-Image EG10A2 Tripod with GH10 Head, a wireless mic, a reflector board and you're ready to make movies.
@KEHflipMEDIA
4 жыл бұрын
Too bad it does not cost 800 dollars, and generally goes from 1.2k, all the way up to 4k.Cash. not beginner shit at all, video lies.
@Trazynn
4 жыл бұрын
Would love to see some hand-held action outside. Preferably at night.
@MiaogisTeas
4 жыл бұрын
What is the use case for that? I mean, other than you being able to score internet points for finding the one thing you could criticize the camera for and therefore feeling vindicated for shelling out 1000s for the latest greatest gear that the KZitem hypetrain sold you. 😉
@Archonsx
4 жыл бұрын
It’ll prolly suck big time
@Wabajak13
4 жыл бұрын
@@MiaogisTeas or you know, that's how they use cameras and are curious to see how it would perform. Or maybe I'm wrong and everyone is as cynical as you assume.
@AutospeciLvAkumulatori
4 жыл бұрын
Stabilization is not good on this cameras. Use Olympus, if you need stabilized footage in 5 axis. But colors and dynamic range is good. This is my todays video from Sony PMW-200, graded: kzitem.info/news/bejne/w5qvmKCar4N2rJg
@Trazynn
4 жыл бұрын
@@Wabajak13 That was exactly what I was after. At $800 it's still in the 'starter' range of cameras so an amateur like me craving some special look to the footage would come charging in and create terrible content by using a device that wasn't meant to be used in that way.
@geoffreybassett6741
4 жыл бұрын
You let the secret out of the bag! Been shooting a F3 for the last 4 months for all the reasons you state. Rock solid image and built in ND's. Also throw the footage in a ACES timeline and the footage really sings :)
@southiechris
4 жыл бұрын
I owned this camera for about four years and put about 3,500 hours on it. I kick myself now when I put that footage through Resolve Color Management and see the full potential of the sensor! My old footage never looked this good!
@FlikMage
4 жыл бұрын
I love this. As a total beginner trying to get into filmmaking as a hobby, knowing what older but affordable cinema cameras are still worth buying is invaluable information. Please move forward with this series. Also I’ve seen your Chinon Cinema Lens Set Video and I was wondering if you have any plans on doing another series on affordable cinema lenses, or photo lenses that work for cinema lenses.
@stevenpam
4 жыл бұрын
*Was* affordable. Now that tens of thousands of aspiring filmmakers have seen this video... maybe not so much 🤣
@gxrsky
4 жыл бұрын
don't even think about getting this one, really. any modern mirrorless camera beats it in many ways Caleb doesn't mention: weight, autofocus, lenses, compatibility etc.
@tjh44961
4 жыл бұрын
@gxrsky, did you and I watch the same video? He specifically mentioned autofocus shortcomings and lens compatibility with adapters.
@scottgmaclean
4 жыл бұрын
I have been looking forward to this video since you first mentioned it... it didn’t disappoint! What a beast of an older camera. Thanks Caleb.
@GaryPiazza
4 жыл бұрын
Heck, I still use a Canon HV30 for killer cinematic shots. Having new tech is great, but the old is magical as well.
@regend762
4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@thewindowguy43
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who is just starting out, this information is invaluable, look forward to seeing more videos of this kind as I have yet 6 purchase a camera
@vladimiroleopoldo4865
4 жыл бұрын
Bought one earlier in March with the RGB 444 upgrade, and I haven't look back. It's just an amazing camera with a beautiful image. Can't wait to watch your future old cameras review!
@RudyAyoub
4 жыл бұрын
i was waiting for you to make a video about the f3 haha
@djsalad7891
4 жыл бұрын
What camera do you use now?
@Balandinis
3 жыл бұрын
@@djsalad7891 I believe he uses a BMPCC4K
@illestvillain1971
3 жыл бұрын
My budget is somewhere between 0 - 300 - 500 Not sure though bro
@StevenDoesStuff
3 жыл бұрын
0-3-5 man is everywhere
@uniworkhorse
Жыл бұрын
I started taking a field video production class, and hadn't really cared for camcorders... until now. They're so tactile and fun to shoot with!
@devinwilliamson15
4 жыл бұрын
If anyone wants to see this camera in action, my two short films Time Oddity and Checkmate were filmed on this camera. Time Oddity was also nominated for cinematography in a film festival.
@darkenrahl8011
4 жыл бұрын
Awww. My baby! I bought a used F3 years ago and it was my A cam for years and served me super well. Eventually I upgraded to an FS5 but I still find myself doing all my indie filmmaking with this camera (FS5 for corporate but F3 for filmmaking). There's just something about that image quality you can't quite put your finger on. It has a big budget magical feel that the FS5/7 never quite managed. Such a dope image.
@KyleAckerProductions
4 жыл бұрын
Would love to see the Sony Fs700/100, Panasonic AF100, and Canon C100 Mk1 compared to some modern DSLR/Mirrorless cameras
@DNomer
4 жыл бұрын
Remarkably good review. Very tough to match a review of this quality. Even your voice tone is downright soothing! Great editing. Great choices of what to dig into.
@maycoc.9107
4 жыл бұрын
used this camera plenty of times for documentaries and reality TV. Great camera that still holds up well.
@benjaminniemczyk
3 жыл бұрын
Among the best reviewers. Professional, to the point, all coming from a person who actually uses the equipment. Bravo.
@TheBanjoShowOfficial
3 жыл бұрын
"$800" **includes an additional $200-400 in equipment to make it useable**
@JetSetTogether
3 жыл бұрын
Won't ever get this camera, but loved how informative and technical you were about this.
@emiliomurillo20
4 жыл бұрын
gave up my fs100, now I have gh4 and I am not going back. it was the same price. actually the gh4 used was 650. have fun
@reptilespantoso
4 жыл бұрын
I bought a new old stock FS100 last year. I love that thing to bits!
@HussainAllaithy
4 жыл бұрын
We are talking PMW F3 not FS100 they are way different
@packardjennings
4 жыл бұрын
This is great! Yes, more please. Looking forward to the FS700R video!
@overlycranked8674
4 жыл бұрын
Great points are sprinkled throughout this review. I suggest doing the same with a Sony CineAlta F35. That beast of the camera can outshine any xxK camera today. Although F35 is crippled to 1080p the final output beautiful renders to cinema35mm projection celluloid with perfect roll-offs in highlights and shadows and 4K copies are often better than most " claimed native 4k " modern cameras. After shooting Cinema worthy scenes on F35 and color numbering and grading them on a pro system by a pro colorist you will never consider any other camera " Pro Cinema Camera " with the exception of Arri Alexa family of cameras. And shooting on it is simply a joy as it is fully cinema level functional with minimalist rigging and accessorizing. Looking forward to get your opinion
@katlis
4 жыл бұрын
I recently sold my F35 for around $3,500. Considering it was $250,000 back in 2008, it's an amazing value these days for the image alone. Just don't expect to have fun with it as a one-man-band! Extremely big and heavy. But miles ahead of something like a C100 for 1080p.
@truthseeker5890
2 жыл бұрын
As you've had experience with the F35, what would you think of the Sony CineAlta Venice and the Sony CineAlta Venice 2, now? What do you think? If you see this, I would appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.
@ExplainingComputers
4 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@addoejonathan2114
3 жыл бұрын
Hello I love your tech videos you the best
@SquareDealProd
4 жыл бұрын
I find when you use Canon lenses on the F3 the colours and skin tones are incredibly attractive. I shot an entire feature doc called Bluefin with this camera and a Sound Designs external recorder using both Nikon/Canon with spectacularly pleasing results. We also used the FS700R/Q7+ combo with a custom Ewa Marine underwater bag to continuously (no buffering) capture giant and fast-moving tuna at 240 fps in HD using a super sharp and cheap Sony 10-18 mm lens. We then released the film as an up-res'd 2K DCP video print. Using 2K projection, it played on full-sized theatrical screens at over 20 international film festivals in front of hundreds of people per screening, won awards, and it looked GREAT - we had tons of feedback about how beautiful and visual the film looked - using these "old" cameras which can be bought for a song now. Seriously a re-think is needed unless you are under contract with Netflix (how likely?) or must deliver at least 4K ProRes Raw. In any case, FS700R can deliver wonderfully looking 4K ProRes Raw with an Atomos, while the Convergent Design Q7+ can deliver superior but large "uncompressed" 12bit Cinema DNG files if you need to wrangle that. If you don't enjoy to get fleeced by the marketing hype of new offerings and "specs," both of these older cameras offer filmmakers amazing and exciting value, and again for less than half the cost of a Sony A7S iii for BOTH cameras. I hear you Caleb, and thanks for this video inspiring long overdue considerations - the only guy creating these valuable conversations! I am still using both these cameras while others shell out thousands chasing the latest thing - I will be adding a Sony A7S iii and a6600 (and possibly a Sigma FP) to my camera collection (for low profile shoots). But I am not selling (giving away) my F3 and FS700R cameras - no way! It's really all about having the right camera for the situation, as much you would choose to buy expensive lenses to expand your range of creative options. See my doc here (for free). See if you can spot which shots are the F700R and which ones were captured with the F3: tubitv.com/movies/449113/bluefin
@WilliamXLee
4 жыл бұрын
Ive always told kids getting into film making that the latest is not necessarily the best. I almost bought the PWM F3, but the cost of the cards was off putting. Ended up with a GH4 with V Log. Love it. Funny thing is, three films we sold to Redbox were shot with canon DSLRS and a Samsung camera phone!
@4kiselevmaximENG
3 жыл бұрын
I really want this. And I don't care that there is no 4K. I watched some footages and I love it! She has her own charm.
@jakob.k_design
4 жыл бұрын
The comparison is kind of pointless. I mean you put an external recorder on the cinema camera. And it is well known, that to get the most out of a sony mirrorless camera you don't shoot in slog 2. Slog 2 flattens the picture so much and uses so little of the 8 bit color space that as soon as you stretch the image out again through luts, the limits of 8 bit become visible. This is less a comparison of cameras and more a comparison of 8bit vs 10bit and different color profiles
@Max27653
4 жыл бұрын
"And it is well known" where did you get the info from? and which format would you prefere?
@jakob.k_design
4 жыл бұрын
@@Max27653 Cine2 is a very popular profile that is not as flat but still retains great dynamic range. (And as a bonus you have a way lower minimum iso then with slog 2 or 3) And it is well know by everybody who understand the limitations of 8bit and has in depth knowledge of the sony system. This video goes into depth about the different profiles, it is worth a watch and you will understand, why slog2 or 3 is not the ideal profile for sonys consumer mirrorless cameras, that only have 8bit color depth. kzitem.info/news/bejne/mntuyqOEs3aqoKQ
@SquareDealProd
4 жыл бұрын
@@jakob.k_design What's your thoughts on PP4? All I know is that the overheating issues are bad on any camera from the a-series except (maybe) the a6600 which is a dealbreaker in itself. Doing an interview and telling people to hold that thought for 10 min while the camera has a snooze is a content disturbing disaster. Missing the ring part of a wedding etc. And shooting a doc where you can run the camera continuously covering an event, just to have the camera shutdown at the crucial moment of the scene nixes any colour conversation. F3 blows the 6400 out of the water in that regard - it's a tank and flawless in that regard. The a6600 is only camera worth buying in that series, AND only - in my case - because of the tiny form factor for incognito shooting where you do not want a ton of attention to get cinema-veritie direct cinema content. When content is key in low-profile situations, the low-light capable 6400 with its subpar 8bit 4.2.0 low data rate is what you want, and here slight magenta infused grays or other non-perfect visual aesthetics are not a large concern. And you can use Caleb's advice on how to help with that in his useful Sony colour issues vid. We need to think more about what we are going to use a particular camera for and what genre. Clearly, the A7S iii is the way to go but if budget is a consideration, for indies, you can get the a6600 at less than half the price (with an on-camera Beachtek mini-mixer). As far as colour, where form factor means nothing and you are not delivering on 4K, the F3 is by far the superior camera in RGB 444 Slog-1 mode to an external recorder - it's very Alexa like with skin-tones, creamy roll-off, and lovely colour science. What I would be interested in knowing is that if anyone has tried to up-res 444 from the F3 to 2 or 4K, shooting with sharp lenses; as I suspect the images would be unique from the pack and likely more film-analog like. Thanks Caleb for inspiring richer conversations to happen without the tech focus being the holy grail.
@MatteusClement
4 жыл бұрын
You are crushing it Caleb!! Keep up the good work. The older camera series sounds like a great idea and there are so many good suggestions here!
@raredreamfootage
4 жыл бұрын
This was my dream camera back in 2011 with the 4444 SLOG upgrade! But now I have that and more in the Pocket4K with a speedbooster! Oh my how times have progressed!
@blakelarson8373
4 жыл бұрын
I bought an F3 with the 444 upgrade used from a rental house around 2.5 years ago for $1K and I love it! It's not a replacement for an Alexa, but it's nice to have for personal projects and low budget commercial shoots.
@blakelarson8373
4 жыл бұрын
Also, if you get a chance, check out the F35. I shot a short on that a couple years back and the color on that sensor is really something to behold.
@NC17z
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Everyone, The Thumbnail Said it All... I'm writing this comment before I even watch the video... I bought the a used Sony PMW-F3 from 3 Film Majors in New York City about 6 years ago. They were each pretty smart to invest together to then later sell it used when they were done with their final film making projects. I was stoked, I had my eye on F3 for years and finally this was my entry point into owning a CineAlta Sensor. I mean it, I pixel peeped for years, followed every music video, tv commercial and film that used the legendary Sony F3. It had its quarks with their FZ-Mount Adapter however, it came with the PL and I figured I'd eventually get around to picking up glass that was PL Mount... pretty much an industry standard. Needless to say, I managed muster up enough cash to purchase an Optiplex / Canon adapter that communicates with the Sony and allows you to adjust your F-Stop on the Canon Lenses. This was huge for me because at the time all I had was Canon Glass. When I bought it from the students, it came with the Blackmagic Hyperdeck Shuttle 2 which allowed me to capture 422 to ProRes HQ. It was nice for shooting greenscreen. At the time, there was only one Sony Lut, it was and still is called Sony SLog, First Gen, I guess. Well, that added a boat load of additional stops. That in itself was amazing. My friends couldn't wrap there heads around any of it... Until, I would shoot for them, say a small commercial,... once the D-Log was applied they'd loose they're minds with how much push and pull they had in post for Color Correcting and Grading. I'm saving the best for last,... Here it goes, My Wife, Pretty much uses this camera on a daily basis. She has her own KZitem Channel where she does tutorials on pattern drafting and pattern fitting for clothing. She shoots edits and uploads all her self. She uses the F3 as an over the shoulder shot. She leaves it in One Position and will then Crop/Zoom in post. I'm not lying when I say this, She ZOOMS 400% IN POST and it still holds more detail then any other camera I've tried doing that with. The F3 has a Mojo all its own. Its a one of kind, and I will never, ever, ever, part with it. If any of you are interested in seeing what my wife does with the camera you can find her here. kzitem.info/rock/A-bf9J0r-9lbm70MEcq0Gw
@Argenisinoa
4 жыл бұрын
I found a Way to fix the problem with the Slog 2. the color shifting is not happening since then.
@davidvalens3337
4 жыл бұрын
make a video!
@joerivandenberghe7193
3 жыл бұрын
Hi can you share? I’m struggling to get s-log luts for postproduction Thanks!
@Argenisinoa
3 жыл бұрын
@@joerivandenberghe7193 yes for sure my friend. Hit me up on instagram @aifotos.
@GuardianFilmworks
4 жыл бұрын
I used to habe one of these and it was fantastic. If you run dual link SDI into something like the Q7+ it will capture 1080p 60fps
@OwenEdwards97
4 жыл бұрын
I shot on the F3 and also the FS7 MkII (4K Slog3) at uni, and I much preferred the images I got from the F3, easier to grade and they looked less "video". Really nice to see the old boi featured in a modern KZitem video
@HoggetBlanker
4 жыл бұрын
I passed up the opportunity to buy an older cinema camera last year. The price seemed good but I wasn't sure how it would stack up to what audiences are used to seeing today. I probably don't shoot enough video to justify purchasing more cameras, though, so it's probably for the best :P
@darrenbermingham
4 жыл бұрын
I really hope you do this as a series. I learn so much from your videos. Thanks so much man.
@seyidhanbingul3656
4 жыл бұрын
Please don't keep making these videos, because after that prices are flying 😭😭
@mikeyfl
4 жыл бұрын
I love that your a camera adventurer! Finding such incredible ways to do things outside the conventional thinking and latest greatest gadgets.
@LearningCurveTech
2 жыл бұрын
It's basically a c100 mark Ii but Sony! Really cool camera, but I can't find it for 800 now, only about 1500. I think this video moved the market a bit! 😅
@BasicFilmmaker
4 жыл бұрын
Wow. $800. Amazing. 👍
@baqcasanke
4 жыл бұрын
Not anymore. Now theyre like 2,000$ on ebay lol
@romanlatelafilms
Жыл бұрын
Have you considered taking a look at the F5? It's around the same price now and looks promising.
@makatron
4 жыл бұрын
Recognized the F3 from the thumbnail, I remember using it back in 2014 with some basic lenses and was amazed just by looking at the ungraded footage in premiere.
@RyanHarveyphoto
4 жыл бұрын
Wow - those image comparisons blew my mind. That thing looks amazing... even at 1080 vs 4k
@ericdaryl
3 жыл бұрын
After used a Canon 7D DSLR,i never thought about use a video camera again。
@Seslikitap_Ebook
3 жыл бұрын
Why?
@martinlutherkingjr.5582
3 жыл бұрын
@@Seslikitap_Ebook The low light performance and depth of field were insane compared to cameras at comparable price points 10 years ago.
@SamHolland
4 жыл бұрын
Love it! It seems really cool. Great idea using the older cameras for the price and recording externally. I’d love to see more old camera videos 🙏🏻🤩🎥
@JJ-mm5nk
4 жыл бұрын
This camera was used to shoot the award winning film “ Safety Not Guaranteed”.
@BenEricson
4 жыл бұрын
They also didn't even use S-LOG. Shot with a low contrast baked in profile in 12 bit.
@TrainWithTeesh1
4 жыл бұрын
Showing some love for this series idea! Keep going bro. Everything that's old becomes new again at some point and there's great value to be gained for the discerning and creative filmmaker. Salute!
@RallenMan
4 жыл бұрын
This is excellent info with great comparison demos. Also a really creative concept to be looking at older high function cameras in today’s market. I have a barely used PWM-EX1 from 2009 that was $6500 then that still is a fine performer as a SDI output camera.
@matthewdezii
4 жыл бұрын
I used this camera in college. It was a great camera then, and it is still a great camera now! With good glass, you've got a hope FHD kit
@threshenbisetty6476
4 жыл бұрын
These cameras have always been "nicer to work with than the stinking mirrorless cameras which just look terrible". KZitemrs like you decided for yourselves that DSLR and mirrorless were superior. Please don't start a series on Cine, ENG or camcorders; that'll just be rude MR DSLR Video Shooter.
@TarpzGames
4 жыл бұрын
please do more like this. I'm trying to get into making short films and other projects on my channel, and I want to learn more about what cameras I can or should get
@droidbait8708
4 жыл бұрын
I hope you go over the FS700R next! Great vid.
@educatetube
4 жыл бұрын
You should have bought Sony fs700r: 4k 60fps/120fps/ 1080p 240fps 10bit 422 or DNG 12bit 444 RAW when connected to Atomos Shogun 4k Inferno. The price between F3 and FS700R is only several hundred dollars difference when buying used.
@gourabsi8573
4 жыл бұрын
I am really interested in this series. This is going to be very helpful for those who want to start out with a small budget. Looking forward to see bmpcc original in the series. A powerful small and affordable cinema camera at this point in time.
@kozykev
4 жыл бұрын
Seems like a waste of time & money with all the extra ad ons needed for 10 year old camera ...
@baqcasanke
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. External recorder + sd adapters + lens adapters for only 1080p 24fps 🤷♂️
@ArmandoPArmas
4 жыл бұрын
I've always loved this camera. It just has its own look. Glad you're highlighting it!
@nicklessrt
4 жыл бұрын
Goodness gracious, that menu system! I work in broadcast news and currently shoot on a Sony ex1. It has almost the exact same layout and feel as this cinema camera, but with a teeny tiny sensor.
@memphixdotnet
4 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna start a channel called "it's old but still work" showing old but still usefull tech.
@JayDee_24
4 жыл бұрын
Dooo iiittt ! Subbed to your current channel as a reminder to myself.
@ronnynause6310
4 жыл бұрын
Most of my reel was shot with my old agency's f3. Pretty underwhelming frame rate options, but if you don't need 4k (most don't) this camera will give you some INCREDIBLE images. Recording into an Odyssey in 444 is rad. I love it. Almost as much as I love the F5.
@K0S0s
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly ive shot on the F3 back in college as late as 2018. Looked better than the C100 for sure. Would pick it over the Fs5 for the bit depth and PL mount.
@CrashCarson14
4 жыл бұрын
Cool!!! Not in the video world, but used to somewhat be into photography. Always A mount. But cool to see people still using this tech! May be considered “old” but good picture quality!
@REKFilmsMontana
4 жыл бұрын
The Sony NEX fs700 should make your list of old cinema cameras. 4k with external recorder. Super35, built in ND, common E Mount for lenses.
@Jan_Bell
4 жыл бұрын
A comparison between the F3 and new A7S3 would be interesting. Just to look at the image quality. Numbers arent always an indicator for a better look and feel.
@shinzychan5117
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. Loved it, hope you will do Sony fs700 r too with it’s prores raw capabilities
@bluerabbit1236
Жыл бұрын
Nice review but things have changed a lot in the past two years. Deliverables are pretty much 4k now. Foreign sales still are okay with 1080p but to future protect your work it makes sense to shoot it in 4k today. Also the extra resolution is a tremendous help in post.
@cornellrw
4 жыл бұрын
I still use a fs700 with the Odyssey 7Q Raw Recorder and the image quality is AMAZING
@ryderschuch3405
4 жыл бұрын
Caleb is back!!
@PharmakeiaFilms
4 жыл бұрын
This was really neat to watch, would love to see this turn into a series! I'm on the hunt for a B cam now, but would like something older and affordable that still has neat features
@ritwiksondhi
3 жыл бұрын
Back in 2011, I was interning at an equipment rental house and this was one of the cameras I was forbidden to touch. I did break their PMW EX3 while sitting in my editing bay.
@ScreenFiends
4 жыл бұрын
Two other cameras worth a look at the Blackmagic URSA and the Sony NEX700R. Both can be had for under £2k, both do RAW, 422, 10-bit recording amongst many other features.
@jamesblobo9947
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic video! I just picked up an F3 myself and have been having all sorts of fun playing with the settings. The only issue i'm having is with measuring correct exposure in SLOG. Could you recommend a good setting for zebras (measuring according to skin tones)? Any help would be so so appreciated!
@joelining
Жыл бұрын
Please do more of these old camera reviews!
@HWolfeIII
4 жыл бұрын
Love this series, will look for this one. . I recently picked up a Sony Z5U and these higher end HD cameras still offer a lot of bang for the buck.
@DunkOnDunks
3 жыл бұрын
2010 is Ol'school now! I remember wanting one of these!
@manilamartin1001
Жыл бұрын
I sold my FS 7 less than a year ago. I haven't replaced it yet. I'm using a c100mii from canon as my main camera. I love older gear but one of these days gonna move up. I'm hoping for a new Panasonic Eva-1.
@standindarkness
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making these type of vids, I appreciate the info and all the work you put into learning the camera and making these vids.
@rickyang9930
3 жыл бұрын
Have done a documentary while it just announced, and it’s the first camera in I can recall that allows you adapt EF lenses. Awesome camera
@zhalberd
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video. I would love to see you make another video using an up-scaling tool like Davinci Resolve to see how 4k would look.
@xavier_arthur
4 жыл бұрын
Wow, the HD is clean!
@alanforde744
4 жыл бұрын
Nice review, as I think so many get caught up in the newest tech brilliant thing, and lose sight of just telling a good story. The Sony P range was always aimed at a totally different person to the Sony A range. I personally have a Sony A6400 and a Sony PVW-X70, and kitted out with ext lights, monitor, recorder, etc..will give great results in two different ways. You could consider to keep making review comparisons like this to help keep film creatives focused on telling the story and not to chase the latest tech thing out there.
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