"The software works but the installer does not" is a tale old as the Wine itself. For some reason the issue has been ALWAYS the installers as far as I can remember with bare Wine. Valve has been rather smart how they have approached this issue: Steam client itself is the installer which removes the biggest obstacle.
@gerarderloper
4 ай бұрын
dxvk doesn't like installers. Valve is slowly correcting that now but if you want installer/launcher support, REVERT wine/crossover's render translator to OGL or WineD3D native.
@fabricio4794
3 ай бұрын
The Softewar Works bu the User not
@foxonboard1
3 ай бұрын
I think bottles goes the right way with its community installation scripts
@Merc399
3 ай бұрын
it seems to be some sort of implemented drm fr
@yorimirus
2 ай бұрын
@@xard64 I wonder why? What is it about installer that they are hard to make work under wine?
@ericapelz260
4 ай бұрын
It would be really nice if the companies just offered a flatpack. It could still communicate with the license servers.
@Aoitori365
4 ай бұрын
using windows makes me feel dirty
@musicalneptunian
4 ай бұрын
Your brother''s got the other one? [hint: look up Max Headroom TV interruption]
@dizx1982
4 ай бұрын
lol it should, as one of the founders was besties with Epstein haha
@dizx1982
4 ай бұрын
@Idk02- Bill Gates of course! He was visiting pdffile island multiple times times
@plutorocks1
4 ай бұрын
Now they have new spyware feature calling recall💀💀💀💀
@Bruno-jj3vt
4 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@gusslx
4 ай бұрын
Porting Windows apps is not the solution. The real solution is to make better alternatives that make people and businesses WANT to take the leap. Adobe is already doing us a favor by being a pile of garbage software that people don't want to use anymore.
@nachtpfoetchen
4 ай бұрын
Well point is for some stuff is no real alternative. like for advanced vector editing. inkscape is fine, but when u push it to it's edges it gets really painful to work with it.
@gusslx
4 ай бұрын
@@nachtpfoetchen yeah it's really hard to have professional apps when most projects are run by a couple dudes in their free time. So sad really.
@MrGamelover23
4 ай бұрын
@@nachtpfoetchenWhat about affinity designer? It doesn't have a native Linux version, but it should be better than inkscape for vector drawings. And I think you can get it working on Linux.
@bleack8701
4 ай бұрын
The software is good. You can't win by underestimating the opponent. The issue is the subscription
@MegaManNeo
4 ай бұрын
Tell that to companies and offices. FreeOffice seems to do a much better job than LibreOffice for both compatibility and especially the UI which is essentially the same as MSO but companies despite all the criticism and privacy still stuck with Microsoft.
@AlphaMikeFoxtrot88
3 ай бұрын
Video illustrates the main reason we will probably never see mainstream desktop software fully supporting linux. It's not about installation, it's about tech support. I worked for two companies that released linux versions of their Windows/Mac desktop software. The linux version *immediately* became 90% of the tech support calls! There are too many OS level inconsistencies for the average desktop user, who just want to run desktop software first, and only need an OS installed for that to happen. In contrast, most linux users/enthusiasts run the OS/server side software first , with desktop software as a secondary consideration.
@monkeysausageclub
4 ай бұрын
I wonder how many people are stuck on windows because of that one bit of software that they cannot live without and that doesn't have an alternative.
@Danielfenner
4 ай бұрын
Definitely a lot. I recently used Linux for a month and I much prefer it over Windows for almost everything... but the linux version of OBStudio is missing 1 FEATURE (not even an entire app) and I had to switch back for that feature only. There is no mention of the feature ever being added and only has 2 posts on the internet about it from 3 years ago. I would use linux if that feature within OBS existed. Now I'll be using Linux for a hobby PC but can't for my main workstation.
@STONE69_
4 ай бұрын
For that little bit, they can do in a virtual machine.
@MichaelNROH
4 ай бұрын
@Danielfenner That feature being?
@pig12900
4 ай бұрын
@@STONE69_ true but most people wouldnt want a VM just to use windows why not just use one os for everything ?
@Danielfenner
4 ай бұрын
@@MichaelNROH Transparency capture in game capture. I'm developing an overlay in Godot that requires transparency capture - it just wouldn't look anywhere near as good with chroma keying. VERY niche scenario, and unfortunately I don't see it being supported at any point.
@slubus
4 ай бұрын
The fact that we're already so close to achieving mainstream programs on linux (even if the installers crash) gives me hope that in just about a year developers will have found a way to make it run perfectly, and once that's out of the way, official ways will follow. With the fast rate at which Linux is growing and improving, it's not a matter of if, but a matter of when, and I bet on it being very soon.
@yorimirus
4 ай бұрын
I don't think it's a year away, but we are getting closer. I saw a video recently that managed to get office 365 to work under ubuntu after a lot of tweaks. You could see a lot of fixme messages in the console so it's probably not really stable. I would probably give it 5-10 years.
@anonemoose102
4 ай бұрын
Hopeful!
@seanmartinflix
4 ай бұрын
Here's two wishful thinking. Microsoft has a lot of power and they don't want that to happen I'm sure. And other companies work closely with Microsoft and Apple.
@KanokYT
4 ай бұрын
I can't agree on the very soon aspect, but it is growing more rapidly than it ever did. This is a good thing for everyone. We're finally making it out of that small percentage and becoming more recognized. People I never thought knew about Linux were asking questions when I even briefly mentioned it. There is hope!
@jsizemo
4 ай бұрын
It always “a year away”.
@Wurstbrot03
4 ай бұрын
0:36 I find it quite funny/tragic how almost everyone ignores Codeweaver's Crossover, as they are the actual main wine developers.
@rizkyadiyanto7922
4 ай бұрын
its not free.
@Wurstbrot03
4 ай бұрын
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 That's true but quality costs money. Developers have to eat. If more people would actually financially support wine development, more critical software would work under wine.
@jsizemo
4 ай бұрын
@@Wurstbrot03Uh yeah, that’s always been point of contention around adopting the open source paradigm. The question to ask is to ask is how exactly are the more successful open source projects truly being funded and sustained?
@AndRei-yc3ti
4 ай бұрын
@Wurstbrot03 people will never be able to support wine sufficiently to make anything worthwhile happen. Business orders are biggest source of revenue
@ThisIsSparta-k2m
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, except you know, the latest Microsoft office version with 5 stars is 2010. Office 365 has one star. Why would I pay for something that works worse? Codeweavers have serious problems, calling their main product crossover office, which is able to run a 15 year old version. No thanks.
@skelebro9999
4 ай бұрын
The abrupt "wherever you a-" got me 😂
@MichaelNROH
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, I honestly don't know what happened here. The source file is longer for some reason
@awesomemantroll1088
2 ай бұрын
8:57
@F_Around_and_find_out
4 ай бұрын
Maybe it's time for a LSW - Linux Subsystem for Windows Or virt-manager a Windows VM.
@ryanmalone2681
3 ай бұрын
Having to Google everything to figure out how to do anything is very annoying and I can’t do everything. I still try though and keep learning.
@tablettablete186
4 ай бұрын
Far as I am aware, some of these apps use UWP API and WINE doesn't support it yet.
@draftofspasiba2
4 ай бұрын
I thought UWP was exclusively for Windows apps inside the Windows store. Anyway, if that's true it's really not good news because UWP is really tightened to Windows and I don't know if they will ever support UWP somehow on wine.
@ltxr9973
4 ай бұрын
@@draftofspasiba2 How does UWP work? Isn't it a bit like electron? Stuff with embedded web technologies seems to break particularly often in in wine. But if that is the case there should be a way to solve some of it with a linux-side web engine.
@MichaelNROH
4 ай бұрын
The apps work (mostly) fine after the installation is complete so the UWP breakage is mostly negligible. I guess there might be some breakage with login screens afterwards, but that can happen on Windows as well.
@tablettablete186
4 ай бұрын
@@draftofspasiba2 Yeah, they are not exclusive to the store, but are a pain to use. Besides, I might be wrong and they all use Win32. Maybe the missing piece was some obscure API (such as AppContainers) and some missing services.
@tablettablete186
4 ай бұрын
@@ltxr9973 It is more like a Linux personality. It essentially changes what kind of things you can call from the kernel. It essentially blocks all Win32 APIs forcing you to use the UWP equivalent. Even a better comparison: it is like when a Flaptpak blocks file access, forcing the use of portals.
@afsarhp
4 ай бұрын
I think we need to have a community for wine scripts. That way, everyone can pool in the solutions to make it work. BTW, there is also DARLING, which aims to make macos softwares work like wine!
@alexatkin
4 ай бұрын
Part of the problem is the WINE community seems so fragmented. There are so many varieties of WINE when it seems it would make more sense for the developers to all be focusing on making the main project work as well as possible. I mean do I use Bottles, Lutris, Proton, WINE release from WineHQ or my distros version? Which version works best for the application I want to use?
@ulroxvladtepes4023
4 ай бұрын
I imagine many people have written this already, but microsoft really has no reason to support office on linux. In fact, I suspect that they sabotage it, so that you need windows to properly run their software.
@konrad3
3 ай бұрын
They do! I waited 6 Years for the Onenote Android Tablet Version to catch up (at least a little bit) to the Version running on Surface Tablets. After all this time I can say that I have a Windows Laptop with Touch now😀
@CyberWolf755
4 ай бұрын
It should be possible for wine/bottles devs to debug the wine runtime and figure out what the installer is trying go call, isolate it and fix it
@MichaelNROH
4 ай бұрын
Maybe I'm getting into this as well. I think that the errors are minor, but I need to invest a lot more time
@CoreDreamStudios
3 ай бұрын
@@MichaelNROH Challenge excepted for me too now, going to try to help figure it out. If I find a solution, I will update my comment.
@altrogeruvah
4 ай бұрын
When I first moved to Linux, I was really into this "use all my previous proprietary Win/macOS apps on Linux via Wine" mindset, but even though I had great success in doing so, I started feeling weird about it, like I was missing the point of Linux and its offerings. So I eventually dropped them all and forced myself to learn to live with software natively supported by Linux, both FOSS and proprietary and I'm very happy I did.
@impersonator4439
4 ай бұрын
But 90% of people won't.
@CalaTec
4 ай бұрын
@@impersonator4439 I'm happy to pirate rubbish companies like Adobe.
@dswngz
4 ай бұрын
@@impersonator4439 why would they? If they have an app they paid for, which is well made, has great interface, is supported by a big company that really cares of every aspect of this app, why would they switch to an app that has bad UI (because good programmers tend to be mediocre to bad designers) and is supported by a single guy in his basement?
@MrGamelover23
4 ай бұрын
@@impersonator4439That's because it's just not practical. If you use proprietary software for a living, you can't just change your tools like that, especially if you work with other people.
@MrGamelover23
4 ай бұрын
Lucky you, most people can't stop using the tools they use professionally because the alternatives either aren't good enough or nobody else is using them, so the formats are incompatible.
@smittywerbenjj1
3 ай бұрын
The Last time I tried running Windows apps on Linux with wine, was when Windows Vista was the most current one. None of my apps worked. Today we have Windows 11 and on the most recent Linux, none of my apps work. Great. The best Linux system, is the one you don't attach a screen to.
@angelt5852
3 ай бұрын
Which Apps do you actually use?? In most cases with Wine you just need to install the app dependencies manually.. Windows doesn't always tell which dependencies are required.. And there are quite a few different versions of Wine(Vanilla),(Staging),(TKG) even Lutris has custom Wine versions for specific apps and then we have Proton/Proton-GE which basically only works properly if used through the Steam client.. Each version offer different compatibility for different apps, but you always need all correct dependencies for each app..
@michalbarhon6692
3 ай бұрын
When people will stop treat any Linux distro as Windows they will get the point. Linux is not Windows, it's different and need completely different aproach.
@FlorianZier
4 ай бұрын
Dealing with black windows I had some limited success by trying it in an X11 and Wayland session. Sometimes they can render successfully after switching the desktop session. For bottles it can also help to explicitly enable DXVK and disable VKD3D (or vice versa) in the launch options, if an application doesn't launch properly (there are default launch options and overridable for the specific start entry). Best chances with games, sometimes they support DirectX and Vulkan in theory, but can't launch with their default Rendering-API in a bottle. Disabling one explicitly enforces it to use the wrapper for the other API. My personal favorite is the Heroic Launcher, although it's main usage is intended for games. You can also add custom entries with a specific Wine/Proton version, the prefix can be somewhere else than the installed application itself. If something breaks after tinkering, just delete the prefix and start the launcher entry again, it will recreate the prefix with the selected Wine/Proton version. I just install the newest version of GE-Proton from time to time with ProtonUp-QT and set it as default Proton-Version in Heroic and for my already installed entries. The same Proton version is available for Steam too. The GloriousEggroll Proton versions have the highest successrate to run any applications under Linux for me (Arch in the past and NixOS).
@Playboicandy
4 ай бұрын
2:29 Up till 69% 😅 hahaha Microsoft way of trolling.
@Big-Chungus21
4 ай бұрын
I cannot move to Linux fully until Photoshop and Illustrator works well on Linux. Almost everything else like Office has very good alternatives whether thats in the browser or things like LibreOffice. Things like Inkscape and especially GIMP just arn’t as good or as easy to use, and haven’t been adopted in actual industries. Im not super techy either, so while I like using Linux, I like using it as a _designer_ and regular computer usage, not as a _developer_ .
@r4in_o202
4 ай бұрын
try krita, works perfectly
@motoryzen
4 ай бұрын
You seem to have forgotten you didn't learn how to use Windows overnight..nor Adobe products..either that fast... If you'd apply yourself to learning the ins and outs of Gimp and Darktable or whatever is coherent Linux equal to Illustrator...you'd find chances are those cross platform alternatives ARE just as good...and without the bs subscription that Adobe charges their customer base. You can have results..or excuses...not both.
@Big-Chungus21
4 ай бұрын
@@motoryzen Yeahhhh except thats literally not true. I really did learn how to use that Adobe software overnight, literally barely took me any time to learn how to use any of it. I tried way longer with Inkscape and GIMP, and its just not intuitive at all, and the UI is crap. Inkscape is OK, GIMP is genuinely an awfully designed piece of software. It doesn’t even have a simple shape tool.
@MisterBoothCoUk
4 ай бұрын
Gimp 3 lands soon you can try 2.99.10 for now. 😁
@motoryzen
4 ай бұрын
@Big-Chungus21 so what you're telling me is that you learn how to use Adobe all the Adobe products and everything there is about Windows over the course of one measly night. That is that is a bigger steaming pile of bulshit then if Joe Biden walked up to me himself and told me I just won the Powerball lottery and that he can buy himself locate his own pet zipper to properly prep to urinate Not sure what planet you think you're on, but this is planet Earth and reality. You need to come back to it You're not Doogie Howser Now as far as the last part of your comment where you're talking about gimp doesn't have a single shaping tool, I don't recall my having any personal experience in dealing with a shaping tool, and I currently have no room to talk there so I need to dig into that I know Tom from Switched to Linux has experience with Gimp far more than I do...
@colin_actually
4 ай бұрын
Linux on the desktop: always _almost_ working
@mexicanhalloween
3 ай бұрын
lol, "I choose to remain livestock because freedom has a poor onboarding process", thanks for posting your L I guess
@colin_actually
3 ай бұрын
@@mexicanhalloween man can't handle facts
@Compact-Disc_700mb
3 ай бұрын
Idk man I use it just fine with no issues. It is just another OS option no need to hate on it for existing.
@Compact-Disc_700mb
3 ай бұрын
@@mexicanhalloween Dude no need to be an a hole about it, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar or something I forgot how the saying goes. Just be nice about it.
@colin_actually
3 ай бұрын
I already use linux so no honey needed. I'm just not always satisfied with the experience. I also still need to use windows for dev stuff anyways, sadly.
@computerguymiguel
4 ай бұрын
When I switched over to Linux I was all about trying to run Windows programs, but whenever I need to run Windows now, I have the opposite problem lol
@bvd_vlvd
4 ай бұрын
Dude I WISH Amberol was on Windows. It's the sweetest looking music player a computer could have. I'm stuck with foobar2000-esque software on windows ~
@thefrxst_
3 ай бұрын
@@bvd_vlvd AIMP isnt too bad
@Mario583a
3 ай бұрын
@@bvd_vlvd Why not try WSL for you Linux thingies on Windows?
@bvd_vlvd
3 ай бұрын
@@Mario583a I'm not going to download an entire kernel, flatpak stuff, gnome application platform and a desktop session just to have a better alternative bro 💀 The worst part would be waiting like three minutes for my windows camel to launch everything
@AgentZeroNine1
3 ай бұрын
This was a very depressing but helpful video. I want to leave Windows and I don't want to get anything Apple. I thought Bottles was the silver bullet, but that doesn't seem to be the case :-(
@Yamahog
4 ай бұрын
Makes me wonder if the MSI- installer file is checking the FAT, and it sees EXT3 or EXT4 , and the installer grinds to a halt ??? What say you all ??
@bomcabedal
4 ай бұрын
I think Adobe CC is the big one. There are no viable professional alternatives on Linux (with the exception of DaVinci perhaps). Office is much less of an issue, because there are for most use cases, and Microsoft is moving as much as it can to Office 365 anyhow. There are still some hurdles (complex Excel sheets being the main one), but you can get by mostly.
@ys1197
4 ай бұрын
The best thing people can do is to use the alternatives
@MrGamelover23
4 ай бұрын
That would work if there are actually were alternatives. But even if you did find an alternative that was actually good enough, it wouldn't matter if nobody else is using it, because the format wouldn't be compatible.
@bleack8701
4 ай бұрын
Of which there are none. GIMP or Krita are not even close to Photoshop alternatives and MS Office alternatives don't behave consistently, especially the spreadsheets
@CathrineMacNiel
4 ай бұрын
@@bleack8701 alternatives, not drop in replacements.
@famousmwofficial8046
4 ай бұрын
The only good free alternative to what most people want to use is wps office and blender. The rest is just crap ware
@Big-Chungus21
4 ай бұрын
@@bleack8701GIMP is especially awful imo. Genuinely a nightmare to use, a lot of these applications arn’t designed for the people who would actually be using them. I always thought I was crap at image editing etc and was too stupid to learn it, until I tried Photoshop.
@ilaripori6148
4 ай бұрын
For me the bottleneck is VST support. Many of my windows vst plugins just do not work in wine even if some do (through yabridge). For exaple the new BEAM plugin from Lunacy, just crashes instantly. No windows free life for me :(
@187onaPigeon
3 ай бұрын
With Micro$oft's Recall bs, Adobe would be really really stupid if they didn't just bring their software to Linux.
@GapRecordingsNamibia
25 күн бұрын
Linux does not support spying..... So..... Why would Adobe want to port over to something they will have no control over? Adobe has already hostaged those who make use of Adobe online cloud storage..... Why would anyone in their right minds want Adobe on foss when Adobe wants control over their patrons? Even if they port over I for one will not use their software.....
@anonymouscommentator
4 ай бұрын
linux desktop is so ready boys
@shankar66
4 ай бұрын
Bro i spent 5days trying to install davinci resolve in various linux distribution like ubuntu, fedora, rocky linux. But i could not. I am using nvidia gpu. Please make a complete video guide. I watched all of your videos regarding this but none working.
@gurpreetsingh-oo5zw
4 ай бұрын
did you tried native linux version of davinci resolve???
@Mr.SuperSpeeder47
4 ай бұрын
@@gurpreetsingh-oo5zw The Linux version has a few limitations that are just weird, like (correct me if I'm wrong) no h.264 support in the free version. Also, DaVinci is designed for the RHEL/Fedora family of OSes, not Debian, Arch or Independent distros. (While there are ways of getting DaVinci working through containers/converting to a distro package, it's pretty finnicky & not officially supported by Blackmagic Design.) So I could understand why someone would want the Windows version, which is a lot less limited, albeit requiring Wine.
@gurpreetsingh-oo5zw
4 ай бұрын
@@Mr.SuperSpeeder47 There is no need for conversion or containers to run it. Please check the latest video on channel "Explaining Computers" about Davinci Resolve. I ran this on debian 11, it works fine. It has been a while , I have not used it. For h. 264 support you have to install some extra packages, for this you have to do some research, I don't remember the exact packages, but you can surely found about them on ubuntu forums and even on arch linux forums.
@univera1111
4 ай бұрын
The two comment above is why I will not switch to Linux. Imagine tinkering for 5 days. 5days. The worst thing is the hope that it might work and I wouldn't. Now when it works and you update your distro, something might break. Meeeen!
@PeakKissShot
4 ай бұрын
I would recommend LACT over core control especially on GNOME
@chrisstewart1273
4 ай бұрын
Came here to say the same thing. LACT is great.
@Tocixx
4 ай бұрын
Good video, thank you! I love Linux and have been using it for 3+ years as the main system. But the variety of choices sometimes confuses me. And I periodically start rushing between different solutions once a year, for example, in the desktop area, between GNOME and KDE. But the first one seems to me more monolithic, stable and has much fewer bugs. I always choose GNOME, whether it’s strange, I don’t know... I love GNOME, but KDE has a number of interesting attractive solutions... But at the same time, GNOME introduces new features much faster, such as the same explict sync for the 555.42 nvidia driver. Which finally fixed all the artifacts that existed and I completely switched to GNOME and Linux in conjunction with nvidia and I can play and work safely.
@playtimeplay4518
21 күн бұрын
an old game i like is switching from ie11 to webview2 for rendering html, and it gives me hope cause wine devs probably dont care about ie11 but webview2 seens pretty important
@marsmotion
4 ай бұрын
im a game artist. i need 3dcoat, adobe suite, zbrush, world creator, and a hundred other pieces of software that either have no linux support or out of date linux support. now i am learning new stuff like krita love it btw and blender love that too. but. if i switched now id be missing alot of stuff i routinely use now. its not as easy to switch as getting another offfice app. i use libre already at home. to switch is a long process and maybe yeah your gonna have to keep windows around for a while as duel at least. people talk about switching but they do not go deep enough into the subject for more professional situations esp in game dev or entertainment. id love to switch really im trying but man not poss yet.
@awesomemantroll1088
2 ай бұрын
Anyone who needs Wine professionally would rather use Windows, so Wine gets less attention
@HeroicMushroom
4 ай бұрын
I'm so glad I have no need to use Office or Adobe. What a pain in the ass that is to futz around and try and get them to work in Linux.
@chaoswolf9452
4 ай бұрын
The only thing keeping me from fully switching over is VR I use a quest headset, steam link with ALVR and I don't think I can live without the full tracking passthrough. I am in a long distance relationship, and VR is a big part of how we spend time together, so it's very important.
@bootmii98
4 ай бұрын
Valve's working on it. In the meantime get an HTC Vive or Valve Index
@ent2220
4 ай бұрын
I had a portable version of photoshop (CS6). Pre-craked also. Install the dependencies in bottles and it works perfectly fine and with acceleration. The only limit is I can't paste things into it, but instead have to open files from File > Open.
@BocVel
4 ай бұрын
Do portable apps work fine with bottles? Haven't been able to use them in the machines that use linux before but I might give bottles a try
@ent2220
4 ай бұрын
@@BocVel older portable apps are generally the best for both windows and linux. In linux it means you don't have to install it yourself, and often times installers are glitchy. You just put it in the bottle's folder, manually install dependencies like C++ (which you only have to do once per bottle and you can have as many apps in 1 bottles as you want) and that's it.
@mikehawk7307
3 ай бұрын
I really can't stand Adobe anymore. They have changed so much. It is pretty much a useless type of software. The Linux PDF software is way better. For me anyway. And I would never want to install anything Microsoft on my Linux laptop.
@RonnieRedd
4 ай бұрын
I stopped using Microsoft over 20 years ago. So glad I did
@enkidux88
3 ай бұрын
Bottles has problems loading some of Windows installers... If it fails, try loading exe files directly with wine This works for me
@shawnjefferson692
3 ай бұрын
I do not even think hardcore Window users like the subscription based software. Just another money and telemetry grab.
@CoreDreamStudios
3 ай бұрын
If we could figure out how to port Edge's WebView2 to a Linux environment, we'd be all set.
@MichaelNROH
3 ай бұрын
WebView2 is actually compatible. Not sure how updated it is though
@michaelcopple1736
4 ай бұрын
Office 365 code is setup to access APIs that are currently not written in to Wine yet. They are too proprietary. 365 is a data collector anyway; why would anyone want that on their Linux system in the first place?
@EraYaN
4 ай бұрын
Because it is still one of the best office suites. Excel really does not have a full alternative. And if the company pays, most people really don't care all that much.
@michaelcopple1736
4 ай бұрын
@@EraYaN It is the best when they are not including telemetry. My data is my own and not meant to be examined by a third party. If I am doing some form of spreadsheet for a client, that data does not belong to M$, regardless they wrote the code. I will not compromise safety to satisfy a money hungry monopoly. There are many FOSS devs designing extensions and addons for free office suites that do similar things, (not all, I concede) that 365 is capable of. I'd rather adapt to the small learning curve.
@EraYaN
4 ай бұрын
@@michaelcopple1736 Telemetry and spreadsheet data is not the same thing.
@BrunodeSouzaLino
3 ай бұрын
The only thing which still ties me to Windows is OpenCL. It simply doesn't work in Linux unless you have the latest AMD cards. Even if you install earlier versions of AMD drivers, they conflict with the open source ones or some programs will refuse to work with older drivers. This is thanks to AMD ending support on GFX8 cards on ROCM 5.x and above.
@enigmatico6209
4 ай бұрын
The problem with Wine is that it simply doesn't work properly. It's very complex and a lot of applications, specially web apps and things that require a lot of components will require a lot of hacks, if you can even get them to work at all. It's been always like this and I don't think at this point it's going to get much better. If you don't need to install fonts, install components or do library overrides, you might even have a better chance at using proton tbh (install steam, add your program as a non-steam application, and then run it with proton through the compatibility settings). Also you don't have to use the default prefix of wine, you can make different profiles for different applications if you want to (which is what bottles does, but without the GUI). But to be fair, if you need to use applications because your job demands it, you're better off using a virtual machine with Windows 10 or whatever. Like, seriously, don't even bother with Wine.
@EnejJohhem
3 ай бұрын
Porting, switching is an absolute headache to most people. I have a better solution, instead of running from here and there, we should fight and pass a law that prevents any big corporations form becoming shills, we also need people to enforce that law.
@TypeZeroOfficial
3 ай бұрын
I am a Windows user thinking about trying out Linux. Is it possible to copy or clone my entire C drive and paste it into Bottles so that i don't have to (re)install everything? Does anyone know how this would work if i have mk-links (sym-links)? And if the registry editor files also are included when i copy or clone the C drive? And how does it work when certain companies only have online activation? Do they still work?
@langlang9326
3 ай бұрын
I can't stand windows and there is no program that I want to get me back to windows.
@javabeanz8549
4 ай бұрын
You have proven that Adobe is actively making their products unfriendly to Linux.
@jspencer89yt
4 ай бұрын
Office 365 probably ties into a lot of microsoft services since it looks at what account is signed in etc. even mail linking.
@muba_7306
3 ай бұрын
idc about app compatibility. the battery life 😢😢
@GnuChanOS
4 ай бұрын
Evince, Okular, Foxit Reader, MuPDF ve Xpdf "we are not good don't use us"
@musicalneptunian
4 ай бұрын
I'd add NAPS2 as a great scanning tool.
@burningwp
4 ай бұрын
They are all fine until your employer sends you a form already modified by Acrobat. Then you can't see half the filled forms and they can't see the ones you filled out.
@GnuChanOS
4 ай бұрын
@@burningwp I normally use Zathura to read PDFs, but okay, challenge accepted. I will try every PDF made by Adobe. Robin
@GnuChanOS
4 ай бұрын
@@burningwp It's not just forms; there are more issues. Let me provide you with further details. When I try the same thing and attempt to open it in Linux...
@GnuChanOS
4 ай бұрын
@@burningwp I download a PDF form example and open it in the web version of Adobe Acrobat. It changes a little bit, and when I open it in LibreOffice Draw, there's no problem; everything is fine. After making some more changes and saving it as a .pdf file, I open it in the web version of Adobe Acrobat, and it still works fine. Perhaps it's a problem specific to the desktop version of Adobe Acrobat.
@tablettablete186
4 ай бұрын
6:03 They cahanged the API, now we must use NVML. I even have a working program on Wayland that controls fan, power limit and temperature thresholds. Also, some other settings can be modified with nvidia-smi.
@MichaelNROH
4 ай бұрын
Ah, that's good to know
@RobotoSkunk
2 ай бұрын
7:10 it's curious because Teams came back to Linux again
@GnuChanOS
4 ай бұрын
we have 7z and it's easy to use
@MichaelNROH
4 ай бұрын
7z is supported on Linux by either 7-ZIP itself or the usually installed app ArchiveManager
@GnuChanOS
4 ай бұрын
@@MichaelNROH it works perfectly
@akeem2983
4 ай бұрын
We have out of the box 7z format support, but not the 7-zip archive manager. Though PeaZip exists which is based on 7-zip, but it's not that popular
@churchofsatan2041
3 ай бұрын
Change the runner from soda to wine
@slimysomething
3 ай бұрын
I figured this out on my own and it saved me a headache.
@je25991
4 ай бұрын
the only thing that keep me from daily driving Linux is the Autodesk programs, especially Autocad, Revit and civil 3D there are some alternatives for CAD programs but in my opinion they don't come close to the applications I need.
@impersonator4439
4 ай бұрын
Every field has "I would switch if I could run x software."
@iplyrunescape305
3 ай бұрын
I feel like with Surveying programs you're gonna have to stick to Windows. Like 95% of regular desktop users (yes even Windows users) will never even know Autodesk is a thing. It'd be tough to get a popularity big enough to port Autodesk outside of Windows.
@UncleJemima
4 ай бұрын
mfw when Michael Horn won't see me around 😔
@CupOfSweetTea
3 ай бұрын
Because it's not long before Linux breaks
@foxonboard1
3 ай бұрын
best is to have a ksam running where you can access your desktop directly in broweser right now, I guess
@SoulExpension
4 ай бұрын
My deal was with music software and all the licensing. It's sad because there's not an excuse. Tracktion Waveform and Renoise tracker are stellar examples of what should happen for Linux. I push away from the Foss crowd because we have lost money opportunity. Not everything has to be open source and free.
@musicalneptunian
4 ай бұрын
I agree. I use Reaper in Linux.
@SoulExpension
4 ай бұрын
@@musicalneptunian Ya, this choice for audio on linux was simple for me. Low latency, no OS services getting in the way. Ladspa plugins actually fly like a scalded ape. I had NI Komplete Synths. They basically expect you to buy new for each machine. That's like buying a new guitar every time you build a new system. I have Win on an nvme with FL Studio, I leave it, pulled the drive out.
@Alexander-ix2jp
4 ай бұрын
I like Bottles, but I would rather support Crossover from Codeweavers since they actually employ a respectable amount of Wine devs and they also contribute big time upstream and they're the driving force behind Steam's Proton (working with Valve). I just wish Crossover had an official Flatpak and Snap version available through the known software centers though, that would make things easier for the normal joe to know and find out about it.
@_____alyptic
4 ай бұрын
Recently jumped back into Linux, PopOS keeps disconnecting from internet :/ Was gonna disable EEE and power saving but don't have grub and my instructions use that
@ContantContact
3 ай бұрын
To me, these installer problems sound very like a "works as designed" problem. In other words, they do NOT want it to install and run on Linux. They are protecting the MS mother ship. I don't actually care anymore. I have software that runs on Linux natively, and since I retried bur still very active in the IT world, what I have is good enough for *everything*.
@adxrexim1432
4 ай бұрын
For everyone wanted the best of two world, you could always setup a dual boot.
@CriticalThinker-42
3 ай бұрын
Why does the term Newspeak come to mind whenever I see each Linux video... “The purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of [Linux], but to make all other modes of thought impossible.” -George Orwell
@Compact-Disc_700mb
3 ай бұрын
That does not even make sense. Linux is an operating system use it or don't no one cares. You could kinda make that argument for some of the cultish apple users I guess.
@CriticalThinker-42
3 ай бұрын
@@Compact-Disc_700mb Exactly! Use it or don't. There's no need to act like a sleazy cult leader with a pasted on fake looking happy face, acting like its all sunshine and rainbows, ignoring its limitations (don't look behind that curtain of [Whatever], the Great and Powerful), that's trying to con others to use Linux or Mac or... Whatever, like they do! Use It Or Don't. Stop the Preaching!
@Motolav
3 ай бұрын
For AMD GPU overclocking there's also LACT that works fairly well
@BradleySmith1985
3 ай бұрын
i wish adobe would make it work on linux. that is the only thing holding me back from switching to linux full time. i use ubuntu on my old laptop and will soon use it on my laser computer. but my desktop and other laptop im using win 11
@BrunoFinger
4 ай бұрын
Easy effects is a game changer
@Cavi587
4 ай бұрын
The only reason to run Adobe or Microsoft software is if you need them for work, no way around that. But for private use, using anti-consumer companies products is immoral. Vote with your wallets. Reject this predatory software. Use FOSS alternatives.
@BamsyTheSergal
4 ай бұрын
it would be amazing to have a 1 to 1 working version of voicemeeter potato on there, i remember someone getting it to work but it only said "pulseaudio" for every input and output
@shApYT
4 ай бұрын
What if you didn't have to deal with the DRM... Would that help with compatibility? Imagine if sailing the high seas is easier than paying money.
@block_01_
3 ай бұрын
1:42 oh so I didn’t need to use a VM
@Merc399
3 ай бұрын
it sounds like a pirated version of office 2016 and of photoshop 2019 will work just fine
@tridens6708
3 ай бұрын
If windows office worked on Linux I think lot of businesses and home users would switch to Linux That's why Microsoft won't support Linux
@sevenredundent7256
4 ай бұрын
I'm not sure what browser you're using, I like that it has user-agent controls exposed to the user by default, I really hope it's not a chrome based browser though.
@MichaelNROH
4 ай бұрын
This is Brave, so Chromium base yes.
@RandomGeometryDashStuff
4 ай бұрын
sometimes crossover runs installers better than wine
@wolfisraging
4 ай бұрын
Here's why this approach of switching linux is almost impossible and idiotic. 1. I am 100% but I just don't know why people are not switching to online tools like Google docs, sheets, and so on... relying on half baked 10 year old microsoft word is almost meaningless. 2. Instead of trying to move windows programs to linux, better would be to rather embrace the productivity programs specifically made for linux, for example instead of trying to run davinci resolve... use kdenlive.
@mkedzier123
4 ай бұрын
1. Because those online tools lack a lot of functionality that "half baked 10 year old microsoft word" has. Also many business use-cases don't allow usage of online tools due to security concerns. 2. If those "made for Linux" programs had needed features and usable UIs, maybe - they don't (especially UIs).
@impersonator4439
4 ай бұрын
Kdenlive is still much worse than proprietary editing software. It'll probably get there. And it's better for your professional skillset to learn Final Cut or Premier Pro.
@Zandman26
4 ай бұрын
@@impersonator4439 Yeah if you work professionally in video editing you would probably use Lighworks or Davici resolve instead of Kdenlive. But most people using editing softwares are not in the professional realm, and then Kdenlive works great.
@wolfisraging
4 ай бұрын
@@mkedzier123 use libre office dude, its miles ahead than any microsoft office product, dumb
@LinuxRenaissance
4 ай бұрын
Found you on another YT channel and came here to sub.
@FahimHoq
4 ай бұрын
was it from "tech over tea"?
@samuel_towle
3 ай бұрын
Why not just use application like Libre Office and set the default formats to xlsx or docx. ? Why not use the default document viewer that comes with distributions like Ubuntu which will open pdf files directly. Or use the built in print to pdf funcionality?
@ocularpatdown
4 ай бұрын
I can’t control my Corsair fans and AIO in Linux and that’s frustrating. Still would like to get away from Windows.
@n3ptune_cpu
4 ай бұрын
for me why i don't use linux is literally because of driver support. for example, i have a mediatek wifi card and that card to be exact has no drivers at all working on linux. mediatek is really slow with driver adaption for linux for some reason, and having no wifi would make my use case really impratical.
@VektrumSimulacrum
4 ай бұрын
AX 200 wifi cards are cheap. $20 . I got mine for less. Plug'n'play
@ShadowManceri
4 ай бұрын
Which card you have?
@jhgcup9223
4 ай бұрын
which mediatek card do you have
@Novskyy621
3 ай бұрын
Really excited for Steam hardware survey mai 2024. Should be a massive increase in Linux users with the recent windows announcements. Also when windows 10 support ends, that will be an interesting time
@MichaelNROH
3 ай бұрын
I wouldn't count on that. Many people who are outraged will just complain but still stay on Windows. There might be a slight shift if there are a few, but nothing that can take off
@Novskyy621
3 ай бұрын
@@MichaelNROH Yeah this is probably me including because i like to mod my games, use Autodesk Fusion 360 and other stuff. Still things here and there i don't want to tinker with. But i still hope that the 2% mark will be reached
@Codyslx
3 ай бұрын
Lol, no... Copilot PC exclusive features aren't gonna run away the windows users. Majority of us don't have an npu to even run recall. Those who would've left will leave when windows 10 loses support.
@Novskyy621
3 ай бұрын
@@MichaelNROH And actually it did! It raised to 2.3% which i think is huge.
@iplyrunescape305
3 ай бұрын
@@Novskyy621 Not saying you might not run into these issues, but what games do you mod that you can't do on Linux? I was able to use the exact same mod installs from my Windows drives to my Linux ones. Aka copied and pasted them in the respective folders and ran with no problems (i.e Skyrim, Fallout 4, Morrowind, Minecraft, etc.)
@erics7004
4 ай бұрын
Virt manager with windows 11 and it should work fine.
@nonetrix3066
4 ай бұрын
I wonder if they could make office and photo shop work on Wine, seems like just a Wine bug to be honest. There can be bugs like that, for example before Roblox officially killed Linux support with anit cheat, the only thing stopping it from working was a mouse bug out of all things
@alpacamale2909
4 ай бұрын
I am pretty sure you can get CS6 working with Wine. Still better than GIMP.
@Tezla0
4 ай бұрын
Even Paint is better than gimp
@lussor1
2 ай бұрын
My logitech headsets won't work with surround sound DTS 7.1 on Linux sadly
@Milena-ix5mq
4 ай бұрын
Alright, side note, but I really need your desktop wallpaper :D Where to download it?
@danielmugas3009
4 ай бұрын
for me the a solution would be to release a flatpak version of said programs.
@impersonator4439
4 ай бұрын
But they won't.
@MichaelNROH
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, pretty much
@akeem2983
4 ай бұрын
You have too good of an impression about Adobe and Microsoft
@danielmugas3009
4 ай бұрын
@@akeem2983 i dont actually, i know for a fact that wont happen.
@dustsucker4704
4 ай бұрын
I dont know but isn't pipewire the default in most modern distro by now? So you need to use easy effects not pulse effects?
@Сириус-н7е
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's for some time, at least with KDE or Gnome. I did some installations of Arch (btw) and fedora with both KDE and Gnome and they all were using pipewire
@MichaelNROH
4 ай бұрын
PulseEffects also works, but yes. I noted that in the video, as I didn't even know of Easy Effects until then
@dustsucker4704
4 ай бұрын
@@MichaelNROH i dont know i had Problems with pulse effects on newer Systems.
@CompuB1t
4 ай бұрын
I would like to use Affinity Photo or Adobe Photoshop on Linux, and install it in an easy way. I don't care to mcuh with Microsoft Office because Libre Office is good, however MS Office could be better for some cases.
@meemon7580
4 ай бұрын
Since Windows is such a different OS than Linux, why don't we use MacOS version of software? Since MacOS is Unix based and has a similar file structure style, doesn't it make more sense to use MacOS native apps rather than Windows?
@akeem2983
4 ай бұрын
MacOS isn't really that similar to Linux. And it is far less popular than Windows
@meemon7580
4 ай бұрын
@@akeem2983 But MacOS has support for Adobe apps and is Unix based OS.
@akeem2983
4 ай бұрын
@@meemon7580 Yes, but it has different APIs and different executable format. I doubt it's easier to run MacOS software on Linux compared to Windows software
@motoryzen
4 ай бұрын
@@meemon7580 The entire point of using a Mac is content creation work specifically involving Final Cut Pro X and some music production Otherwise..you're wasting 20% extra money on something shiny and just as if not more locked than than Winturd. The only way you'll get support for a Mac version of software is if you can fool them into thinking you are running an actual MAC computer. Apple computer company may be just as big of software nazis as microcrap..but crapple isn't stupid and their sites/domains can tell what you're running.
@gx1tar1er
3 ай бұрын
@@meemon7580the thing is GNU/Linux desktop can't even run Android apk despite it's based on linux kernal and open source
@EasyGameEh
4 ай бұрын
it just werks until it doesn't
@ScoutOnly
4 ай бұрын
Main reasons I've struggled to switch in the past are: 1. Nvidia - I have a GTX 1060, so I am forced to use X11 Server instead of Wayland, as the progress on Nvidia drivers for Wayland is a) slow and b) the drivers will only support Nvidia GPUs from the 2000 series onwards. 2. Dual monitor setup - I have a 144 Hz primary monitor and a 60 Hz secondary monitor. With X11, my primary monitor is forced to 60 Hz no matter which desktop environment I use - I've tried GNOME, KDE and Cinnamon. While I still get 144 Hz in games, it's a bummer to have my primary monitor locked to 60 as I'm just used to smooth desktop animations at this point. EDIT: You even mentioned this in the video. I've tried the solution that's in the video many times on different distros and it was to no use. 3. SSD/HDD Split - My computer is still features a remnant of the times when SSDs were expensive, so the best practice was to get an small capacity SSD and install the system on it, and have an HDD for all your data. Which is apparently not the best practice on Linux. I know you can put your /home partition on the HDD and have the rest on the SSD, but it's not the same experience as on Windows, because on Linux, the only way I have control over where the applications I install are actually installed, is when I download an already compiled tarball version of some software and manually place it in my /home partition. And I don't want to go through the hassle to configure everything for 10 hours straight just so it works the way I want to. So in short, I'm switching to Linux whenever I myself build a new PC with an AMD GPU and an M2 SSD And as such, paradoxically, switching to Linux is not free for me.
@ikytsu7822
4 ай бұрын
HDD works fine, i added rocket league on it and one time ubuntu, it was really fast bcs of ext formating. For nvidia, they are making the driver 555 who is coming really soon (already in beta), it fixes your dual monitor problem too, bcs it will be compatible with wayland. So you can do the switch when 555 becomes stable
@mk72v2oq
4 ай бұрын
> because on Linux, the only way I have control over where the applications I install are actually installed, is when I download an already compiled tarball version of some software and manually place it in my /home partition Flatpak can install apps on per-user basis into the home directory. Although, running apps from a HDD is horrible experience either way, regardless of OS.
@ikytsu7822
4 ай бұрын
@@mk72v2oq i already said, i ran ubuntu accidently in hdd and didn't even noticed, the experience is clearly less good but, really more fast that windows, surely because of the drive formatting, fat32 is slow when ext4 is more fast but has his limits
@ScoutOnly
4 ай бұрын
@@ikytsu7822 As I've mentioned, I read somewhere some time ago that those drivers that you're talking about will only go as far back as the 2000 series in terms of compatibility. But if not, then I'll check it out.
@sergeykish
4 ай бұрын
@@ScoutOnly NVIDIA proprietary driver, current version 555.42.02 BETA, NVIDIA lists support for GeForce GTX 1060. 2000 series restriction was about NVK - open source driver.
@umka7536
4 ай бұрын
Have you ever read WINE compatibility page? If you would, then you could avoid many of your problems. But shorty. Screw MS and screw Win programs under Linux. Just use VM with Windows if you need Windows programs for some reason. Or use dual boot. Don't force Linux to do things it was not intended to.
@ltxr9973
4 ай бұрын
Exactly! The compatibility layer route is a dead end if everyone is just using that instead of developing Linux native software in parrallel.
@MichaelNROH
4 ай бұрын
The problem with the the Wine AppDB is, that many rate some apps as working, if they somehow got it to run. Sometimes this doesn't include the installer, or something changed recently. An example like this was the Acrobat Reader, which used to work and is flagged as such, but even with the listed dependencies it won't run.
@iplyrunescape305
3 ай бұрын
I agree with all said. But it's quite remarkable nonetheless how much Wine has been able to run Windows stuff as is
@chucklesdeclown8819
4 ай бұрын
I still dont get why linux doesnt just implement a way to use executables directly without having to go through all the wine bs. Is exe copywrited or something?
@MichaelNROH
4 ай бұрын
It's a Windows program that writes stuff to Windows drives and directories. It's the same why you can't run IOS apps and Android, or why MacOS Apps won't work on Windows
@akeem2983
4 ай бұрын
Totally different executable format that is fundamentally incompatible with the Linux kernel
@AmlanjyotiSaikia
4 ай бұрын
I am thisclose to switching over to Linux completely on my oersonal machines as well. Only problem is terrible support for my 144hz monitor on Nvidia
@bleack8701
4 ай бұрын
I need office for professional use. It has to be MS Office because none of the alternatives that run on Linux function in the same way and have issues with spreadsheets the most. That makes the OS completely unusable for me. And ti amke matters worse, i do need professional edtiong software like Photoshop. Although i use Affinity, but that doesnt have a Linux version either. Over and underclocking can be quite important as well. For example, I've underclocked my CPU so now it uses 40% less power for 95% of the performance. Which means lower thermals and a reduced power bill.
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