Hi everyone! Finally, the files of the Proper Extruder are released! I needed to do some improvements first and now I'm happy enough to share the first version. You can download them for free from my website properprinting.pro/product/proper-extruder/
@theofficialczex1708
2 жыл бұрын
@@didiz01 60A is lower than 30D.
@properprinting
2 жыл бұрын
@@didiz01 30D is similar to 80A so I shouldn't have any problems printing that ;) www.teknorapex.com/thermoplastic-elastomers-and-measuring-shore-hardness-chart
@antesdedormirmanu6789
2 жыл бұрын
Do you think your struder design will work on a cr10v2 if I print it on the same cr10v2??? (sorry I'm from the 3rd world jajajajaja having an cr10 here In Colombia is an very luxury thing) tanks man you are awesome... (I follow you since the beginning trough different accounts... I had to change it every time I change my phone)....
@antesdedormirmanu6789
2 жыл бұрын
Jajajajaja I wrote the comment before I finished the video jajajajaja greetings my friend... 😂😂😂😂
@KeithOlson
2 жыл бұрын
If you want a *REAL* challenge, make it work with the Positron v3. :grin: kzitem.info/news/bejne/uZWHsqyKj6aqoZw
@jjmartell94
2 жыл бұрын
The fact that despite all of the work you've put into this thing you're keeping it free is exactly why the 3d printing community is so great. We're all out here trying to make things better, not only for ourselves but also each other. Bless ya and keep at it.
@mrbmp09
2 жыл бұрын
I believe it's $3.00 very reasonable.
@jjmartell94
2 жыл бұрын
@@mrbmp09 It's pay what you want, so you /can/ pay nothing. $3 is merely the recommendation.
@DeliriousProductions
Жыл бұрын
I plan to do the same with my designs as they start rolling out. I know I need money, but I think everyone should benefit from the knowledge of others.
@jjmartell94
Жыл бұрын
@@peenerpan113 I mean, if you're giving something away for free (or pay what you want) there's an implicit understanding that you won't necessarily be making any money off of it, or are at least not expecting to -- Ultimately what you're positing is only really an issue if you had intended to monetize it from the get go.
@LordHonkInc
2 жыл бұрын
All other cool things aside, I think the most amazing part is that you managed something (and by that I mean "printing ninjaflex") that up until just a few years ago many companies - with, like, actual R&D budgets - tried and failed at. That's, I think, the most beautiful thing about the 3D printing "industry": I don't know of any comparable field where the line between "enthusiastic hobbyist" and "professional engineer" lie so close together. Definitely on my short list of things to print if and when I have access to a resin printer (should really check if there's a hackerspace near me, damn my procrastinating xD)
@properprinting
2 жыл бұрын
It's so cool that with 3D printing the hobbyist is able to create (semi-) professional parts! The biggest part of the work when developing a product is everything but the prototyping phase where I'm in right now. Optimizing the design to make manufacturing cheaper, do functional testing and real life testing, complying to standards, (get back to the drawing board and do this cycle again at each fail) sourcing cheaper parts (test again), marketing, packaging and be better/faster than your competitor. You quickly need a whole team to get things to the market ;) This of course depends on the product, especially consumer electronics requires a lot.
@acorgiwithacrown467
2 жыл бұрын
Computing and software development, theirs very little difference between professional and hobbyist.
@BLBlackDragon
2 жыл бұрын
Take a bow, Jon. Not only for developing an extruder that can handle some of the most difficult materials, but also for giving a real world demonstration of the benefits of rapid prototyping and iterative design. As we say in America, knocked it out of the park.
@oscargill6838
2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Amazing work! I was inspired by your last video to develop a belt extruder of my own for this exact reason. I print in Recreus Filaflex 60A filament for work all the time and we constantly get buckling issues as you describe. It's so interesting to watch you go through the same problems as I have been these past 2 months. Your buckling solution is really elegant, I didn't think of it at all! I managed it in a different way, by putting the two drive belts in a slight V shape (about 2mm apart at the top pulley and 1.5mm apart at the bottom). This means there is more pull from the bottom and buckling doesn't happen (unless retraction is higher than 3mm). With this setup I've managed to get my home CR-10 printing at 45mm/s in 60A. Also when my stepper started skipping (like crazy!) I increased the gear ratio - it looks a little silly now but it works a treat! Keep going man! You inspire makers everywhere.
@properprinting
2 жыл бұрын
That's awesome! Interesting approach to put it in a V-shape. Awesome that you're printing the same material on the same printer with a similar method!
@Allan-mf1he
2 жыл бұрын
Like the way this guy approaches problems. Keep at it. brilliant.
@julianerickson595
2 жыл бұрын
Holy cow. Thank you so much for providing the design. I needed this.
@Dystrackshun
2 жыл бұрын
My carpal tunnel is aching just from watching you replace the FEP
@properprinting
2 жыл бұрын
I'm unfortunately used to it xD
@BrilliantDesignOnline
2 жыл бұрын
WOW! I am SUPER impressed. Excellent work sticking it out until you had a usable design. I would like to see something printed that is appropriate for the properties of the material; not sure what that could be, but something that is not just an aesthetic gear, but something that requires 'rubberyness'. Thank you.
@properprinting
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I just designed something functional for this material for the next video. It's simple and small, but an interesting case nonetheless!
@Eluderatnight
2 жыл бұрын
Long term I'd say a grooved bearing on the antideflection area. It will give the belt only one place to go. For grove radius use filament radius in addition to belt thickness.
@supernielsen1223
6 ай бұрын
This have been my favorite tpu extruder ever since this video, i have never printed with an extruder being this good at TPU.
@heckyes
2 жыл бұрын
Congrats. This is a triumph. I'm making a note here, huge success.
@PattysLab
2 жыл бұрын
If I can give you some advice, I would mount the spool on a pair of bearing without a cover nor grease (naked bearings) it will really reduce the force required to unwind the spool. This only is for flexible materials ofc
@markwebcraft
2 жыл бұрын
The music selection on this channel is amazing. I love watching your videos, the editing AND engineering are always so well done. Well done sir
@djispro4272
Жыл бұрын
Great video! The production quality is incredible, and it is nice that you show off your failures, so even we can learn from them. Great job on the extruder!
@JeSuisNerd
2 жыл бұрын
You're consistently one of my favorite 3D printing/maker channels on this whole platform! It's cool to see these experiments that push the boundaries of the hobby, and thank you extra for making the designs public which is incredible for the community
@Igormeister
Жыл бұрын
That 15:38 Eureka moment is pure engineering gold 😄 You have my like, my good Sir! 👌
@DEtchells
2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations!! It was really nice to see the iterative process, as you encountered problems and engineered solutions for each in turn. Great work, great vid!!
@B3ll3r0ph0nt3s
2 жыл бұрын
Really love seeing the design process and also the hardships you had to get through. Your extruder looks and performs like a monster =) Thank you very much for the video!
@fixfel5787
2 жыл бұрын
Seems like so much time went in this design. Props
@TheMrMused
Жыл бұрын
I've been printing flexibles for over 5 years now (started with M3D's "Tough 3D Ink", now working with NinjaFlex 85A). Really happy to see the innovation in this extruder. Next up, maybe switch the hotend to a short, all-metal? I got burned (business/money sense, not heat) on my last large printer and I'm currently hunting for the most suitable out-of-the-box (i.e. minimal mods) printer for flexibles without going into the crazy stratosphere of $5K plus machines. Seeing what you've done here is a *tremendous* help in that hunt! Great content!
@LisaHarsh
2 жыл бұрын
This just made me smile. So very cool engineering you did there. Congratulations
@janetizzy6741
2 жыл бұрын
Oh! I want a pair of those high-speed, blue, gloves. Being able to make adjustments at that speed would be y ideal.
@Big3dprinter
2 жыл бұрын
Great job, belts are a perfect idea. It's exactly what they use on a filament production line.
@d3str0i3r
2 жыл бұрын
aesthetically and functionally amazing
@kingrutse3278
Жыл бұрын
Dude the thread support rods are genius I have my printer mounted to my desk
@LelandHasGames
2 ай бұрын
It blows my mind what you've been able to create.
@spon1853
2 жыл бұрын
12:24 every time a try to make a new mod for my printers... Great video!
@andrewdok3595
Жыл бұрын
awesome extruder. So unbelievable result. So titanous work
@twoheadedpanthr
2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see how that belt drive holds up over time, what fails first. Very cool project.
@properprinting
2 жыл бұрын
Me too! Fun fact, APS tech solutions aps-techsolutions.com/en also uses the same type of belts and I had a great chat with them. They print a lot of Nylon with carbon fiber without any problems. This gives hope!
@matthewweinberger7023
2 жыл бұрын
@@properprinting just setup a silent driver and a gcode loop of 500mm forward and 500 back on a 700mm length of filament
@MkrezyL28E
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I feel like the belt teeth will wear out
@FilipAus
2 жыл бұрын
@@MkrezyL28E these belts last for ages. I've used them on my CNC lathe for over a decade and still haven't changed them out.
@gabiold
2 жыл бұрын
@@properprinting My go to belt when grip is important are OptiBelt. We use Optibelt ZR series on toroid winding machines where the back part of the belt is used for friction tensioning the wire, and we tried a ton of belts. Optibelt's rubber compound seems to provide the best grip, uniform wear, ideal hardness, not to rigid and not too soft. The grip might be not important for flexible filaments, because the filament itself might grip on a harder belt, but might be important when one wants to print harder, possibly slippery filaments as well with the same setup. Belt backs can also be coated. We found a company that offers twenty or so coating materials with different hardness, grip, abrasion resistance and so on, especially for the purposes when you want to feed material with the belt, like conveyors and such. The only reason why we don't use them on the toroid machines is cost, mainly. The Optibelt ZR was "good enough" for us so far, and the coated one would't fit the machine easily anyway. Still good to know that it is an existing thing when needed.
@3DMusketeers
2 жыл бұрын
DUDE THIS IS AMAZING! Nice work Jon! Love the iteration process on this thing. Excited to print one out and try ourselves!
@properprinting
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Grant! It'd be cool so see it on one of your printers!
@3DMusketeers
2 жыл бұрын
@@properprinting With a Mutant too! Just so we can have some fun!
@AbandonRule
2 жыл бұрын
Congrats you printed the most impractical gear. Great job on the extruder
@wekkimeif7720
Жыл бұрын
Right no one had created extruder before this that could print TPU perfectly
@802Garage
Жыл бұрын
This was such an awesome journey. Great work!
@doctrainsmodifications5201
2 жыл бұрын
Greetings, Surely you are the most over the top 3D R & D engineer in the world. Well I've only been viewing all things 3D for 3 years so there may be some others. Thank you for a great presentation and commentary. You're a true joy to watch with chips and a cold beer. All the Best in your efforts, Cheers Doug
@mdsign001
2 жыл бұрын
This is just simply the best 3D printing channel on KZitem!
@PMcDFPV
2 жыл бұрын
I am so freaking excited :-) this looks great
@gizelle-s
2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, this is awesome. I always look forward to your videos and seeing what you've done. Thanks for making this open to the community as well! Goie werk.
@kalicacao
2 жыл бұрын
Oh man, you're the best! I had some issues with standard gear extruders and yesterday I invented this belt extruder thing. I went to search online just to see that it has already been built by someone else :)
@pavelhrciak4818
2 жыл бұрын
Keep it up. I have the same passion for the cause.
@dariogruber5952
2 жыл бұрын
Una maravilla de la tecnologia hecha en casa. Felicitaciones y saludos desde Argentina
@brownie9921
Жыл бұрын
Amazing Job, keep making projects and inspiring people like myself.
@rachellejanssen2655
2 жыл бұрын
Linus (from linus tech tips) always drops everything, Jon from Proper Printing always extrudes backwards xD
@whisperino
2 жыл бұрын
i feel so happy with you my friend! great success!
@barabolak
2 жыл бұрын
That extruder is very pretty!
@Liberty4Ever
11 ай бұрын
That was very impressive work. Thank you for taking the time to create a video that shared the entire design process with us. That's both inspirational and educational, particularly for young want-to-be engineers.
@johnnig3589
2 жыл бұрын
CONGRATS BRO!!!!! no small feat, i have been following the development, i am so happy for you that the belt drive worked, am thinking adding it to my own printer, but what is the weight of the extruder assembly with metal parts and all?
@julesmaguy
8 ай бұрын
Protect this man at all costs
@jralrazaz2828
2 жыл бұрын
Not surprised, genius as usual, man you did it again, can't wait yo see your next project.
@hawaryatesfu1592
2 жыл бұрын
This dude is the most humble genius on youtube yet 👏 🙌 Respect To Jon
@customsrusprincalifornia2284
2 жыл бұрын
This is the first time I have seen this I love it he is amazing.
@bopedersen89
2 жыл бұрын
Dude! That's simply OUTSTANDING!! 🤩 I've only had moderate results with 80 on my Hemera, and ice trued countless dozens of settings and configs, as well as different hardware... Although it's printed every engineering filament I've thrown at it - sub $150. I think it's safe to say there's a Proper Printing "Prints All" extruder coming in my near future! Bravo my friend! Excellent work indeed!!
@freeemailssuck6848
9 ай бұрын
I’ve only just watched this and congratulations. I’ve watched a few of your other videos before and I have to say, I love your ingenuity. Keep it up.
@Zachary3DPrints
2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow John, that looks amazing! very well done!
@denislarin3236
2 жыл бұрын
Great Job!!! Awesome video montage like art and engineering is outstanding!
@jeffh4581
2 жыл бұрын
Gefeliciteerd man. Geweldig om te zien hoe je vooruit gaat. Ga zo door!
@dylanlasky2389
Жыл бұрын
I know I'm late but that look you had when changing the fep sheet was hilarious, I just changed mine this week and its soooo tedious.
@hithere2561
2 жыл бұрын
This thing is BEAUTIFUL!!
@Nixqy
2 жыл бұрын
Extremely entertaining video, thanks for doing all this and sharing it
@beardmaker
2 жыл бұрын
i've been watching your channel for 2 years and gotta say everytime is see that notification i'm excited to my core and you always deliver, keep up the good work
@randomname4726
2 жыл бұрын
Nice job! I've wanted to do this ever since I got a MK2 years ago. I would never have gotten around to it so I'm glad to see it being invented.
@shitposter4688
2 жыл бұрын
very nice iterative-design journey! Shows the problem -> solution -> somehow another problem popped up -> solution, again path very well :D The extruder looks very cool and seems to be technologically quite advanced!
@codyparker6118
2 жыл бұрын
That’s amazing bud very very cool!
@geauxracerx
2 жыл бұрын
You fully have my attention. I need a new extruded set up for my Ender 5 Pro, and this looks like it could fix all my extruded issues. 🙏🙏 Seriously you rock!
@saddle1940
2 жыл бұрын
Nice, thanks for the video. Till now, I hadn't thought of the feed hassles with flex. It's a bit of an eye opener.
@Dukat8
Жыл бұрын
how these videos only get around 250k views is beyond me. this is some high quality stuff. So much work shown in such an impressive way. dude this is inspiring
@daliasprints9798
2 жыл бұрын
I know the TPU gear was just a test piece, but TPU is actually an awesome material for quiet low backlash gears if you do herringbone with zero clearance and 100% infill. I'm using TPU planets in my E motor gearbox. I think it might not work well for low speed high torque output, but it's great for stepping up speed.
@jana171
2 жыл бұрын
God I love that process you go through of trial end error and error and error 😂 It is such a fun thing to watch, and then ofc the joy is over and the fun is ruined because you fix something great, again, that the world has never seen, again, and all that. Dude you're a freaking 3D designer rock star !!
@Gejuch2233
2 жыл бұрын
There are more softer filament in the market. Polish brand Noctuo have "Extreme FLEX" with typical hardness of 40ShA. It's quite hard to get because of it properties(it might be dangerous to overheat it). But I'm sure if you will contact them, you will get this filament. I've got it myself but from 2'nd hand.
@jameschu8912
2 жыл бұрын
pretty cool design, thanks for sharing.
@JustinDaze
2 жыл бұрын
So satisfying watching these parts fit perfectly together.
@drubradley8821
Жыл бұрын
Dang, I was on the edge of my couch with this one... WELL DONE ! ! ! ! TPU's will for sure, teach a Kat new curse words...lol ... I enjoyed this video.
@thebutcher1412
Жыл бұрын
I congratulate you on achieving such a feat! Very smart design with those belt guides !
@martinvinnicombe7930
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, congratulations that’s amazing.
@m97120
2 жыл бұрын
This is the proper channel! Always exciting engineering work delivered with the right amount of subtle humor. I'm always looking forward to the new videos. Can the extruder be printed with FDM too or does it depend on the precision of resin? I'm also wondering why you need such a big motor. Is it because if the friction caused by the large contact area of the belts?
@properprinting
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Max! It's designed in such way that it can be printed with an FDM printer. I made special versions of the base part for FDM printing. The motor mount must be printed out of ABS, Nylon or polycarbonate because of the heat of the motor. There's quite a lot of force between the belt and filament causing friction. It's a fine balance which probably can be improved. Right now I want to make sure that it can generate enough back pressure and a bigger motor is not a problem for me (this stays cooler too)
@Tomasitoke
2 жыл бұрын
@@properprinting One solution to the stepper motor temperature problem with a PLA or PET-G filament would be to use a stepper damper, this would isolate the temperature from the motor. You should get a stepper with a longer shaft or make the gear shaft longer to reach the motor.
@nirodha7028
Жыл бұрын
You just exemplified everything I love about product development ❤ What an ace job and innovation! From a fellow Dutchman (I assume you are Dutch from the way you speak)
@properprinting
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! And yes, I'm Dutch. Kan niet missen ;)
@eideticex
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome work man. I designed my own extrusion idler for my Ender 3 V2 and flexibles were my primary concern since hard plastics haven't even given me anything more than slight quality variation from loose or overly tight setup. The hardest part was to ensure the filament path stayed perfectly straight, the slightest bend and it would kink seconds into the test. Still need to go in and beef up parts of it, the first version lasted a few month and then began to bow without any solid support. Plan for that is to print thicker base with two snug fit holes to insert a thin steel rods, just a couple out of old CD drives. As I learned you have to treat the pressure as a source of heat deformation, same effect just takes longer.
@MarkCoatesKwadrin
Жыл бұрын
I bought one of my Felix 3D printers second-hand from a research team that had been experimenting with printing flexible filaments with limited success. Really interesting to see your approach and the results were better than I would have thought.
@WhamBamSystems
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely Genius and climatic!
@properprinting
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm very happy how it fits the Mutant perfectly!
@evandenenden
2 жыл бұрын
Nice job. These kind of experiments are helping the make community to think more outside the box.
@exoduscustoms1348
2 жыл бұрын
Not only is the design fantastic but I love the way you put the video together. I loved everything about this design/ idea and the way you presented it. Amazing work. This video got you another subscriber. I will continue to watch your videos going forward.
@geode8556
Жыл бұрын
Good engineers have knowledge. Great engineers always look forward to failure to teach them a new path!!! Great engineers don't give up! ✌😘👍💞
@joseomarbenitez6759
2 жыл бұрын
Genius!! Congratulations!
@anthonylaing3897
2 жыл бұрын
Damn, dude! Your hobby projects are better than most commercial products!
@truthtoad
2 жыл бұрын
wow! very inspiring work. I just started printing and have a small resin printer. Now I want to start building another one and your extruder.
@heisenberg2198
2 жыл бұрын
Congrats man bet you’re well happy
@conorstewart2214
Жыл бұрын
Maybe you could use the most flexible one to print custom belts for the extruder, maybe ones with a groove down the middle to better constrain the filament.
@alengusic4259
2 жыл бұрын
Only what I can say is respect for patients, keep the good work 🤗
@monkeyfpv7866
2 жыл бұрын
Well done bro, that’s amazing
@AZREDFERN
2 жыл бұрын
You sir, are a genius! Normal drives depend on biting in to the filiment to feed and assure positive displacement. But TPU just deforms out of the way. Yours grips it over a long segment. The only issue I see is how long will the belts last? Rubber likes to oxidize and off-gas. I wonder if it'll rapidly degrade after coming in contact with 10kg of filament? Might still be worth it to keep replacing them though, if you have to print a bunch of TPU.
@AvengerSho
2 жыл бұрын
you can increase the gear ratio, make the spur gears larger so you wont need a big stepper motor. you can just use a single large spur gear, then couple the two belts by using the idler gears at the bottom, coupling those. all those bolts and inserts must have negative effects on resonance, any ideas on making it lighter or using klipper with an accelerometer? i think one side needs an eccentric nut system to adjust the distance between the belts, tune the grip this way. or a parallelogram mechanism could work. an adjustable gap could also mean that you can get away without using shoulder bolts, etc. try using another set of small idlers instead of those 3d printed plastic flat parts to push the belts together, constant wear from printing could make those printed parts or the belt thinner.
@ggate01
2 жыл бұрын
Great video and even better accomplishment! I’m new to the 3D game and glad to have stumbled on this video. Excited to see all your past and future content. Congrats.
@pyro1596
Жыл бұрын
Love the design of the extruder expect for the weight. It might be interesting to design something that could be used on the high speed hevorts and ratrig printers. I'll post it if I end up doing something like that
@CptAwwsome
2 жыл бұрын
What an accomplishment!
@aps3000miki
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great video. Great project, have fun
@dagr8kerek
2 жыл бұрын
Yessss!!! This is so fantastic!!
@MatthieuRiffault
2 жыл бұрын
What an impressive journey since your first video! 👍 This extruder is, as usual, a beautiful piece of engineering, it even looks like a Swiss clock mechanism! I love to see this neat models on your screen ❤️ Continue to push the 3D printing further, maybe Joseph P. will hire you soon 😉
@marcus1202
Жыл бұрын
I just visited your website, congratulations on the Win!!!!!!!!!!! I had to sub.
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