Back in 2017 Arthmoor wanted my entire KZitem channel to get deleted because I was covering Gun Network mods. I sympathize with mod authors and the monumental amount of work they offer us for free, but Arthmoor has been as asshole for over a decade now
@Buderbukz
5 ай бұрын
Yeah he is a precious sort isn't he, aka dickhead.
@Tattletale-Delta
5 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure he even got banned from the Skyrim Mods Reddit. Love your vids btw.
@LoneVaultWanderer
5 ай бұрын
Far out, I'm sorry brother.
@lorddurden4189
5 ай бұрын
Based arthmoor trying to get the Bethesda shill shut down.
@CommunistHydra
5 ай бұрын
Agreed, Arthmoor is known to be like that.
@MechaMan2012
5 ай бұрын
If it was literally anyone other than Arthmoor, I would be sympathetic. I can understand how the issue is with how the game works with the mod and not the other way around. However, knowing only a fraction of the history with Arthmoor, I don't really feel all that bad for him, and I hope he gets out of modding sooner rather than later.
@nickrider815
5 ай бұрын
It's Arthmoor. He will never admit its his work at fault. There is ego and then there is Arthmoor...
@divinehatred6021
5 ай бұрын
and then there is YandereDev
@kituwahband
4 ай бұрын
Arthmoor, the Bugthesda of mod authors!!
@Bitterman5868
4 ай бұрын
People should blacklist him for good and threat nexus to remove his patches, all of them never works and Morrowind community teamed up to make their own which works til this day
@rjohnj-rm9qw
4 ай бұрын
Dude is so insufferable. Epitome of the arrogant crybaby mod creator stereotype. Sucks that his mods for fallout AND skyrim are essential.
@Grizzermacht
4 ай бұрын
This is why Arthmoor garbage will remain out of my load orders for the foreseeable future.
@lexus8018
5 ай бұрын
Fun fact: In the months leading up to Starfield's release the modding community was already building a team to make and upkeep the unofficial patch with the sole intention that people like this guy don't get to the helm and get pissy when the mod needs updating
@chaserseven2886
5 ай бұрын
I heard that too lol
@monkeybomb8215
5 ай бұрын
There was an argument about whether Arthmoor's Patch would be in Starfield about 6 months before Starfield's release on the Skyrim Xbox modding sub. I said this exact same thing and got warned that I'd get banned if I talked badly about Arthmoor again. They are such Arthmoor worshipers over there that it is ridiculous. But he's just not a nice person. He doesn't handle criticism well.
@N7.Tenebris
5 ай бұрын
@@monkeybomb8215 Most of those mod authors there on the Nexus can't handle criticism well at all.
@julesbower762
5 ай бұрын
It is still the best must have mod for FO4 still, even with these problems.
@monkeybomb8215
5 ай бұрын
@@N7.Tenebris yes! I've noticed this. I've seen more than a few MA's that have flew off the handle when users have raised performance concerns regarding some mods. I've lost a lot of respect for some MA's due to their childish outbursts. Like fam.....just address the issues lol
@NihilusShadow
5 ай бұрын
I'm 120-ish hours into a non-modded playthrough I started after the update dropped and haven't experienced any stuttering, but last night I installed the patch and a single mod just to goof around and the game began stuttering immediately upon starting. Then today I see this video and the patch being responsible makes sense to me.
@TakaChan569
5 ай бұрын
This is the pain of modding when you have to rely on one or a small group for such an important utility mod, all it takes is for someone to get upset and bam everyone is screwed lol.
@Spaceconstructs
5 ай бұрын
You can’t really get mad at people for not doing something you can’t do yourself.
@TakaChan569
5 ай бұрын
@@Spaceconstructs Who said i was mad lol, the point is either we as a community need to make tools(open source as well) so there is less reliance on one/small group of people.
@courier7049
5 ай бұрын
This is the pain of modding games from an incompetent and greedy developer that keeps re-releasing same game with only minor changes for sole purpose of making few more dollars to invest them in another re-release of same game. Given their constant push to monetize mods and breaking free mods so users have an incentive to buy their overpriced garbage at this point only shills can support bethesda actions.
@yeah_ImAFish
5 ай бұрын
@@Spaceconstructs You can absolutely get upset with something or someone who does something you can’t do. That’s literally what politics isx
@Homosapien77
5 ай бұрын
@@Spaceconstructs non argument tbh open source can work well for mod's
@kenmck7802
5 ай бұрын
The problem IS , is that there SHOULDN'T BE an "unofficial patch". This is ALL work that the MAKERS of the game SHOULD HAVE/BE DOING. If Bethesda's ENGINE wasn't so frakensteined it wouldn't be such a chore.
@shadenhand
5 ай бұрын
nah, there are unoffical patches for every game. millions of people love Fo4 it's a labor of love thing. no matter how great the experts on your team are, there are always going to be fans who have more experience or passion for fixing the flow of the game.
@smokedbeefandcheese4144
5 ай бұрын
this battle is long lost bro
@hayerenders4576
5 ай бұрын
My game always worked without a mod as well. A missing texture and once in a while a crash when loading. But that happens in most games and in the other games I can't do as many thing's as in a Bethesda game. And the engine isn't Frankensteined, it's updated like other engines.
@sixx2683
4 ай бұрын
@@hayerenders4576 what he meant is that creation engine is old at its core.. Same for starfield's creation 2
@hayerenders4576
4 ай бұрын
@@sixx2683 same for Unreal and other engines
@somethingbrite8484
5 ай бұрын
Quick Update about this. It appears that the issue is actually related to changes that Bethesda have made with the NextGen Update and how these changes interact with mods. One of these changes appears to be how the updated game handles NPC record changes. UFO4P makes many of these. (but it's not tue only mod that does this) This has apparently been cross tested and verified. This does not excuse the behavior of Arthmoor towards the community.
@Halauris
5 ай бұрын
Maybe the mod needs to have less NPC record changes? There’s at least some of the blame there you have to work with the system that you have in Bethesda may or may not fix it.
@adrian7856
4 ай бұрын
Was this fixed in the second update (the more recent one) or is it still a problem?
@thewildwolfwolfs428
4 ай бұрын
@@Halauris From what i've seen about modding (roughly) the F4 pre-gen version, removing the changes is possible but would take quite a bit of work AND remove a ton of bug fixes that some NPC records have. Its kind of like changing companion code heavily to fix bugs by bethesda would make many mod companions that use it break if it now needs new data. Its the risk that mods give honestly. Skyrim's updates broke mods (imagine vampire re-vamps that were made BEFORE dawnguard for example), F4 break them, Starfield content patches and DLC will break many mods and their way to adding/changing content. Some modders get massive complaints like the F4SE, so they went mostly radio silent to keep all the "FIX YOUR PROGRAM" from... fixing the program. Arthmoor themselves, not talked to the team outside them however, will fight people who complain or spam. If bethesda fixed some big bugs and the unofficial patch conflicts with it, he has blamed the game. From Skyrim to Fallout 4 he doesnt like it! F:NV hasnt got arthmoor for its big patch projects and they have done a lot to find bugs in their mod when major. Starfield has Nexus help to support a community run patch project as Arthmoor left Nexus to keep his mods to his own site, so Nexus needed a way to keep big patch on its site!
@kireta21
4 ай бұрын
@@Halauris it's impossible to change only 1 thing in character or item. You replace entire thing, so it does not make difference if you fix all issues, or only 1 that is essential. This is why you need compatibility patches, so changes from all mods are on one page. At best you can skip entire NPC/creature, if none of its issue are important, which is less-than-optimal. Even with minimalist approach to bugs, It's still going to be big issue with combining large mods. Best case scenario, Bethesda actually fixes that. 2nd best case scenario is someone figures out why it happens, and creates F4SE powered workaround to replace faulty coding. For now, I moved my entire modlist to GoG version of Fallout 4.
@janetd5121
5 ай бұрын
Arthmoor has always been an ass jumping on anyone who points out any flaws at all with his mods, his ego is bigger than the Prydwen. He once went at me because I asked where the version of one his mods was for Skyrim special edition because it was gone from the Nexus and only AE version remained, he told me he removed it and demanded I upgrade to AE and accused me of being lazy for not upgrading and complained about people expecting him to cater to a small percent of players who used an obsolete version of the game. That is Arthmoor in a nutshell.
@PAD996
5 ай бұрын
I swear to God, I think I actually remember seeing this exchange, unless he had this same exact meltdown with multiple people which is very possible. When he quit Nexus and ran off to sulk at ModDB last time, he threatened to have me banned because I asked a question about a duplicate set of doors he'd left in until one of his own bootlickers confirmed it.
@janetd5121
5 ай бұрын
@@PAD996 Yes he has done that to youtube creators as well he didn't like trying to have their channel removed. His ego is such he just can't admit something is wrong with one of his mods. Most mod makers are totally cool and take feedback but not Arthmoor.
@jubei7259
5 ай бұрын
Same here. I asked him rather politely where I could find the unofficial patch for 1.5.97 after Steam forced everyone to update to AE whether we had updates blocked or not & let's just say his response was somewhat less than civil lol
@chlo4420
4 ай бұрын
Literally had that exact convo with him as well lmao
@ClellBiggs
5 ай бұрын
Typical Arthmoor. It's impossible for there to be anything wrong with something he's made. lol
@blaqk_soul
5 ай бұрын
I can't stand Arthmoor. He's such a douche canoe. I always have to find older version of his patches on the internet somewhere. Bethesda shill.
@Buderbukz
5 ай бұрын
He is very arrogant and defensive. The UFO4P has always been buggy, long before Bugthesda's latest shenanigans. Speaking from my own personal experience, I had less issues when not using the UFO4P than when I did use it, again that being before the latest 'next gen update".
@Tattletale-Delta
5 ай бұрын
@@Buderbukz Honestly, the only reason I use UFO4P is because 90% of all mods have it as a dependency.
@blaqk_soul
5 ай бұрын
Yeah he's a douche bag. I usually have to find older version of his patches on the internet somewhere else.
@blaqk_soul
5 ай бұрын
@@Tattletale-Delta exactly 🙄
@RagnarokiaNG
4 ай бұрын
All they needed to do was say "thanks for the reports we will try look into whether or not this is something on our end we can fix", that's it. No one would have an issue with that response.
@TheSteveMeister
5 ай бұрын
I've been misdiagnosed by doctors before. So it isn't so bizarre to say a professional mod maker is wrong. A mod maker and a doctors saying "trust me bro" isn't reliable.
@AcceptGamingDKD
4 ай бұрын
Its anything that touches npc generation. Even Hardcore Health Overhaul A mod that only touches Health values Is broken thanks to the update screwing how the game loads its npcs Im not defending Arthmore here. But the problem isn't his fault. It is 100% the update. Any beauty mods, broken Any mods that touch health values, broken Mods that generate new npcs, Broken I can go on and on
@Nilanius
5 ай бұрын
My experience with Arthmoor is he's kind of a dick. He has a holier than thou attitude and even if you are right, he will still do everything to shut you down. He's a very toxic individual who honestly, should not be in charge of such essential mods.
@YouTubeCensors
5 ай бұрын
His mods aren't essential, certainly not for Skyrim ,never used his FO4 based of experience from Skyrim and knowing better how ridiculously bloated his patch is for Skyrim and imagine the same for FO4
@octavianpopescu4776
5 ай бұрын
Is it essential? I mean, I've played Skyrim and F4 with and without unofficial patches and I don't see much difference.
@alchemystn2o
5 ай бұрын
Thnx goodness I took the precaution of not updating to the current patch for PC. I knew this would have been borked to my modded game.
@spanners7343
5 ай бұрын
I learnt that lesson years ago when i was running a heavily modified FO4, every time a patch was released the game would be unplayable for weeks. It is so easy to do, just set the game in Steam to update only when run and only run it from the mod manager, hay-presto the game doesn't auto-update and break your mods.I wish Steam had kept the option to not update a game, that'd make life allot easier.
@Ollidor
5 ай бұрын
I’ll never touch an arthmoor mod or any mod that requires his. It’s about the principle of the thing. He’s done this for ages with Skyrim, so many shady practices and hostile interactions with people just make it feel not good to support him in any way. I hope he stays away from Starfield
@YouTubeCensors
5 ай бұрын
Agreed, I still recall he updated the Skyrim patch to add some rocks to a cave entrance and that's when it made realize his mod was full of Trash we don't need and it was made reality when a modder who does NSFW mods ports for Skyrim uploaded his patch without his nonsense just straight fixes and the mod since dropped the near 400MB it was at the time to 20MB and it blew my mind how much Crap the man has packed into his "essential" mod
@Ollidor
5 ай бұрын
@@KZitemCensors right, the unnecessary and frankly bad changes that he made to the game is just wild to me. Sure it’s his mod, but there’s the fact that he actively tried to shut down other bug fixing mods as stepping on his territory. There’s just so many reasons to avoid anything made by him, and better alternatives
@tjhedgescout3052
5 ай бұрын
Rcoll used to have his own unofficial patch only for Arthmoor to harass him, and he stopped making fixes and just went to normal mods instead...
@merksmovies25
5 ай бұрын
@@KZitemCensorsadded rocks to cave entrances? Like to block people? Lol and what skyrim patch is this so i know not to download it
@mikehammer4018
5 ай бұрын
@@merksmovies25 He's talking about the Unofficial Skyrim Patch. Skyrim did have quite a few bugs, but the mod author had, in the opinion of many people, way exceeded his self-imposed mandate by changing a whole host of things.
@Bear-Knight
5 ай бұрын
If Arthmoor reduced his patches (by removing meshes that normally gets replaced anyway w/ mods) I'll be happy
@marjoe32
5 ай бұрын
I think deleting comments or disabling comments makes YOU look bad even of YOU are right. To the public it seems petty and an easy way to lose grace irregardless if you are right or wrong.
@apolloknight9521
5 ай бұрын
That’s true. It also makes the user look like a coward or something like even if they’re right disabling the comments makes them look wrong, unable to face comments that comes on their way.
@LoneVaultWanderer
5 ай бұрын
That's fair. I think if someone is straight up harrassing you, deleting can be fine, I get it. But that's not what I've quite seen in this situation, especially with the comments in screenshotted.
@504Trey
5 ай бұрын
Forget the public especially if O know I'm right now go cry in a car for all I care ✌🏾
@julesbower762
5 ай бұрын
Still the best, must have, mod for FO4... :)
@erek3034
5 ай бұрын
@@julesbower762wouldn’t say all that game is more stable zero mods then with mods
@StarQ_One
5 ай бұрын
Prior to the next-gen update, I had no issues with the stuttering. Once it dropped, I've been getting them with and without the mod on the Series X.
@kyleshepard3139
5 ай бұрын
Same; at this point while I can see a lot of vitriol towards Arthmoor in the comments (and believe me I’ve ran afoul of some douchebag modders in my day) and I get their hate, this is at its core a problem with Bethesda’s dumbassery and apathy at work They don’t care about Fallout anymore after Todd’s fee fees were hurt by us liking New Vegas more years ago, so they just don’t give a shit anymore; otherwise they would’ve knuckled down and gotten this update out months ago and in a better state than now I had no issues with the UFO4P or stuttering prior to this dumpster fire of an update, and now I think people are trying to troubleshoot for a fix since we can’t rely on Bethesda to fix it anymore; and I think there’s a desperation for that’s causing people to point fingers I just tried uninstalling this mod after being unaware of the Arthmoor drama for a while; and it kiiiiinda works? I think it’s part of a much larger problem to be honest Keep in mind though, not saying Arthmoor probably isn’t an asshole, I haven’t had much if any contact with the guy, but I have dealt with some assholes in the Bethesda console modding scene who act like their shit don’t stink, so I know damn well it’s not impossible to encounter people like that If I recall people said that shit about DogToothCG and Unoctium a while ago; so I’m just trying to stay neutral on this so I I’m not blinded by previous experiences
@StarQ_One
5 ай бұрын
@@kyleshepard3139 Just yesterday, I had to spend the whole day reinstalling all my mods. Something happened that would give me an error, and block me from accessing my mods. It worked fine the night before when I went to bed, but the next morning I was getting errors. I couldn't get a complete list of the mods I had, so I'm still missing some, because I can't remember the name of it. I'm doing my umpteenth new save this month.
@Gambit0590
4 ай бұрын
@@kyleshepard3139only an idiot would be surprised by the fact that an update to a game affects the mods
@postmortem1547
5 ай бұрын
I strongly suggest that most people that use UFO4P check their mods and patches, Conflicts with the UFO4P is nothing new. I'm glad that USSEP is not having the same issues with the SSE/AE updates. I managed to not update FO4 by using the GOG version and not the Steam version. Bethesda will still most likely be updating FO4 in near future so there is no point in updating the game now.
@hypnotoad1674
5 ай бұрын
Why is this even an issue? Why the hell did Bethesda release a next gen update without including all these fixes built in?
@SENPAI.Popaii
5 ай бұрын
money
@haku8135
4 ай бұрын
The "next gen update" literally didn't do anything but add creation club content, which are themselves just super lazy reskins that add nothing and are substantially worse than free mods despite them wanting money for them. Literally, it didn't improve FPS, it didn't improve textures, they added a special performance mode that just turns the graphics DOWN, and it's not optimized at all. All it actually did was break mods which is what keeps Bethesda games afloat, and they delayed this update so they could release it with the god awful Fallout tv show so they could capitalize on the inevitable resurgence to the Fallout games. That's why this update includes Halloween decorations, in May. It was supposed to release on the anniversary of Fallout 4, October 10th. Now that resurgence is pissed off the game is forced to be super buggy with none of the QOL or texture mods they wanted. It's a fucking mess.
@sixx2683
4 ай бұрын
@@haku8135 exactly. It has a bit more reason to exist for consoles since it allows 60 fps but for pc has caused more issues than anything.. And it's a totally useless update
@haku8135
4 ай бұрын
@@sixx2683 You could already play Fallout 4 in 4K 60 FPS on Xbox. With mods.
@GrayD1ce
4 ай бұрын
Gotta live Bethesda for breaking their game right when it's the most popular
@YouTubeCensors
5 ай бұрын
Arthmoor Mods are Must NOT install mods. his stuff causes as many issues as it fixes and is bloated with his own nonsensical Changes
@Halauris
5 ай бұрын
Can you recommend an alternative?
@TheZomboy11
4 ай бұрын
@@Halauris that is the issue, there are no bug fixes mods like arthmoor's.
@themagnus2919
5 ай бұрын
My game is crashing every 10 minutes and I have no mods downloaded.
@BakedAndAwakePodcast
4 ай бұрын
👆🏽underrated comment
@GtheMVP
5 ай бұрын
I knew the next gen patch would require several patches. BGS are so bloody incompetent, they can't even get the hud for ultrawide proper, despite having ultrawide listed as a main feature.
@onyxosprey
5 ай бұрын
I just don't understand how they can be so lazy with one of their premiere releases. With the show's success, Fallout has more eyes on it than ever before; this is absolutely *not* the time to half-ass the modern port of 4.
@ajm7310
5 ай бұрын
do you have your display scaled up? i experienced distortions with the Hud and UI until i realized i had my desktop display at 150% due to im blind and cant see the tiny ass icons, after that it looked perfect on my ultrawide
@GtheMVP
5 ай бұрын
@@ajm7310 The hud was stretched using 21:9. I have my display at 100%. I wound using a mod called "Ultra Wide Interface (21x9)", works like a charm. Edit* sorry man, thought you were quoting me.
@ajm7310
5 ай бұрын
@@GtheMVP just odd because I set mine up same resolution and it worked, try it in borderless windowed mode
@GtheMVP
4 ай бұрын
@@ajm7310 Thanks man. I have America Rising 2 working (what I really wanted to play) and the few mods I wanted, not messing with things unless I have to lol
@shabr1ri
5 ай бұрын
Bethesda’s fault. Always Bethesda’s fault.
@chaserseven2886
5 ай бұрын
It’s not like they said this update was coming out and it’s not like the community weren’t constantly asking for it to be released/ more information about it. Nope
@hoopla5502
5 ай бұрын
@chaserseven2886 I assure you the PC community, where modding is the most popular, did not ask for this next gen update. It's next to pointless on PC. Sure console players were asking for it but if your wanting to mod fallout in any way console is the wrong place to be.
@Matt-id5mi
5 ай бұрын
When you mod your game youre modding it with the knowledge that they can break at any minute. When you make mods you make them knowing that they can break for any reason.
@chaserseven2886
5 ай бұрын
@@hoopla5502don’t cry about Bethesda not fixing their games again
@hoopla5502
5 ай бұрын
@@chaserseven2886 that's not even what I said , even though I mean it holds weight Bethesda launches buggy messes it's a fact. But what I responded to you about was the fact you said everyone was constantly asking for this update, they were not people wanted a remaster not this garbage busted "next gen" update that did nothing for PC except break things
@RobotWithHumanHair.
5 ай бұрын
My girlfriend just started a play through of fallout 4 so I cleared all the mods for her to have a vanilla “next gen experience” and I have been seeing the stutters and shit while she’s playing. It doesn’t seem to be the unofficial patch.
@295Phoenix
5 ай бұрын
I read somewhere that the stutters happen with any mod that edit npcs?
@sofajockeyUK
5 ай бұрын
On Xbox, post NGU I played 11 playthrough tests working through groups of the 69 mods I use. I ended up with 41 mods that play smoothly without stutters. I found the Unofficial Patch to be an issue, it makes the NGU worse with some hitching and stuttering. Additional problematic mods included hair, skin textures and mods related to settlers. The NG update does seem to have cleared up some bugs I used to use the UFO4P for. For example, I haven't had the black face bug (and I used to get that a lot) since the NGU. Right now, I'm enjoying a modded playthrough just fine without the UFO4P.
@AustrianLowlife
5 ай бұрын
As someone who doesn't really use mods i'd be happy if they fixed downtown boston so i don't have to save every 5 minutes, i can live with all the other bugs.
@McDude1337
5 ай бұрын
Man I wish they could fix Boston, Can run ultra settings everywhere at 120fps but as soon as I go to Boston the game drops to about 45-55 fps...
@ajm7310
5 ай бұрын
I think the problem with Boston is that there is just too much going on, npc spawns, random encounters etc., I found mods that limit those in Boston seems to really help with the framerate
@blockmasterscott
5 ай бұрын
@@ajm7310Agreed here. I had tons of problems in Boston while on my Xbox One, but it’s smooth on my Xbox Series X.
@sixx2683
4 ай бұрын
@@ajm7310its also the shadow draw distance.. If you set it to medium all the fps drops are gone for me
@AudreyStryder222
Ай бұрын
Delete your cache and restart. I havnt crashed in the commons since
@AstrobotJones
5 ай бұрын
I'm just tired of Mods getting completely broken with every game update, large and small.
@stuffmcstuff399
5 ай бұрын
Just the way it is, updates change information, add information and delete information. Information mods, typically, rely on. Nothing you can do about that no matter the game. Sometimes mods will still work but, odds are, it will break them as the data has changed.If you simply keep the old data and add more data upon data you increase the chances of bugs, issues, and performance loss.
@joeypizza2761
5 ай бұрын
The issue when Bethesda relies on modders to make their game playable: all it takes is one person being overwhelmed to bring things down
@Ragk5231
5 ай бұрын
No
@Aliothale
5 ай бұрын
I have thousands of hours on Skyrim/Fallout 4 on PC and have never encountered a game breaking bug and can count my crashes on two hands. Modding your game will always make it worse, period. It's why I stopped modding them and started enjoying them instead. Modern Bethesda games are extremely playable out of the box, and if you don't think so, you haven't played enough vanilla or you don't have your PC set up properly for gaming in the first place. If you don't have RTSS installed and actively capping your framerates properly, you're actually doing it wrong lmao.
@GrimGalore
5 ай бұрын
BGS: We love our modding community! Also BGS: We're going to break your mods. Again.
@Fred.fz.yt.2024
3 ай бұрын
Some people like me can't access mods whatsoever as the mods menu to this day is greyed out lol even on consoles
@DiogenesDworkinson
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, I don't care about any of this, am just not going to update my FO4 and keep playing what works since the update didn't actually seem to add anything but bugs.
@deamonsoul1279
4 ай бұрын
Same really enjoying my story wealth play through
@lukemills8287
5 ай бұрын
I don't think Bethesda want Fallout London being released, so I expect more patches lol
@Buderbukz
5 ай бұрын
Sabotaged!!
@jubei7259
5 ай бұрын
Come on guys, it's Arthmoor we're talking about here. He's infamous for being extremely grouchy, if not downright rude at times, even with people who are polite. I once asked him (very politely may I add) where I could find a previous version of his Unofficial Patch for Skyrim & his response was, let's just say somewhat less than civil lol
@onlyonewhyphy
4 ай бұрын
KZitem: We'll need you to watch this 20 second unskippable ad. Me: Close video and open again. KZitem: This video has no ads.
@GamerEnthusiast3188
5 ай бұрын
This is the classic case of when 2 things can be right at the same time. #1. Arthmoor is undoubtedly a legend from at least the days of Morrowind to today. He knows his stuff. #2. I recall over the years he and his team would go off on some users over their concerns (the amount of people who use their mods, etc., you're going to get people of varying experiences witth mods and computer literacy in general--they shouldn't assume people have malicious intent). Lastly, this is true for all of us, we should all try to have alternative go-arounds, whether it is for fixes, patches or overhauls. I always believe in redundancy and backups. I recall when Skyrim Special Edition started getting new updates, Arthmoor would immediately get rid of the earlier USSEP (Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch). We all know the vast amount of updates Skyrim SE had after the initial Anniversary Edition, that was problematic. He pushed back on people wanting his earlier patches due to their issues with one of the builds or the Creation Club content specifically. He wanred to keep only the patch for the most updated official build, and he and his team would accuse people of pirating the game when they asked for older versions. So, yes they have a history of shutting people down or sadly belittling some as well. Keep backups of the former stable patches and fixes, just in case you need to go back to a prior game build. I am still on the SSE 16.640 Build for Skyrim SE, as it was the most stable of the Anniversary Edition for me. While I also still have the Pre-Anniversary build of 15.9 (something) on my storage drive and tge same with the relevant patches and fixes. If I ever update FO4 it will be after all of Bethesda's updates are complete and the relevant patches have thir kinks worked out for a while (2 weeks of posts and comments reporting the patches are working.
@josephwimerYoYoYo
5 ай бұрын
Fun fact: I originally hated Fallout 4 so bad, and it didn't even support my default monitor res. I hated it so bad I never took time to mod it, and just enjoyed other games. I came back for the next gen update just to see if it looked better, and I'm addicted. Looking into modding for my next playthrough, and totally forgot that any "nex gen" patch from Bethesda spawns "Nexus Demons." Sounds like I found the perfect time for a vanilla playthrough LOL.
@merksmovies25
5 ай бұрын
Haha enjoy, it may not be as good as 3 and nv but it truly is fun and immersing
@anareel4562
5 ай бұрын
Putting my steam in offline mode was the best choice I've ever made.
@GinSoakedBrain
5 ай бұрын
Fallout 4 would be a great game if Bugthesda didn't code it.
@vaporboy947
5 ай бұрын
Yes the next gen update really messed everything up
@dessamator1420
5 ай бұрын
Eh a debatable statement. But regardless hope some of these quirks get solved as we have probably 6-7 more years before FO5 😭
@lastswordfighter
5 ай бұрын
This was no next generation update. It is ransomare bloatware.
@vaporboy947
5 ай бұрын
@@dessamator1420 does every good mod work? No!! Did it delay a bunch of good DLC sized mods? YES! Did the PC really need this update? NO!
@HorusHerotic
5 ай бұрын
@@dessamator1420 💯 was the next gen update. Mine ran great the week before. Now crashes every time I use VATS.
@sixx2683
4 ай бұрын
@@dessamator1420its not debatable for pc users at least. Only thing the update did was introducing a bunch of CC's content and 60 fps for consoles. Now I'm happy that consoles players can play this game at 60 fps but for pc it has caused more harm than good
@benwilliams6993
5 ай бұрын
Hope you are well dude! :) I don't see a way that an update to Fallout 4 wouldn't mess with some mods. It's an unfortunate side effect. The bugs I can't really excuse though. A bit more testing and TLC from the devs, as usual for Bethesda. They must not like the bad reputation so I'm baffled anything they release doesn't have the attention to detail to help counteract that whole "bugthesda" rep. Great stuff as always mate 👊
@johnl6176
5 ай бұрын
The problem is is that testing and TLC cost money. The bean counters who, for some reason, are in charge don't like spending money on things like that.
@kenketchum7762
4 ай бұрын
Out of curiosity is this just related to the next gen updates or is there any information relating to the original version? Been having freezes then CTD for no real reason and cannot find the issue. No buffout log.
@kendo2377
5 ай бұрын
He's been acting that way since OldRim. When 'his team' started changing game content to his liking instead of just doing bug fixes I quit using the patches. ' I'm right and you're nobodies' says it all.
@ashamahee
5 ай бұрын
This is getting stupid at this point, wtf is Bethesda doing? Dont they have like 250+ developers over there? I cannot fathom how they can manage to so royally screw things up, this should be an easy win for them. What the heck is going on in that studio?
@lazilycatharticone4191
5 ай бұрын
They have more than 500 at BGS specifically, last time I checked.
@jwb_666
4 ай бұрын
It's not a "Next Gen" Update. It's typical Bethesda bloat and cash grab tactics for a ten year old game fml I hate them
@510DeshawnPlays
5 ай бұрын
Last time I installed that patch, my game broke never installed it again
@CoffeeDrinkerKim
4 ай бұрын
I really wish we could just make alternatives to the unofficial patches and unshackle ourselves from Arthmoor
@kb1376
5 ай бұрын
The funny part for me is that I was considering installing the UFO4P mod because I've been experiencing so many issues for stuttering, especially in any of the settlements that I've built up in and in the downtown area. Especially today where FO4 crashed every time I tried to scrap something. I was only running a scrap everything mod that hasn't recently been updated, so I uninstalled it. So I can say from my stand point that it wasn't the UFO4P patch.
@Aliothale
5 ай бұрын
Scrap everything is a massive performance downgrade. It basically removes precombined objects and forces way more load onto single threaded workloads.
@Eldrick_
5 ай бұрын
Random, but where do you get your shirts Lone? Weird question I know, but they look comfy dude
@Samiqmojo
5 ай бұрын
Vats on console is jacked. Targets thorough walls showing hit chance with zero ability to actually hit. (No through cover perk equipped) Edit disabled this mod on XboxX. Stuttering 100% stopped. Now to figure out how to fix weird vats
@AttakusZakus
5 ай бұрын
Stuttering still exists due to modded and vanilla scripts firing. That VATS lag is 100% because it’s script related and adjacent. It’s all on Bethesda to fix it.
@Samiqmojo
5 ай бұрын
@@AttakusZakus good info. It’s not lagging it’s just being wrong. Shouldn’t identify let alone target anything behind walls. Weird and never seen this in decades of FO playing
@kirglow4639
4 ай бұрын
I'm a programmer. In my first programming job, a coworker pointed out there was a bug in the code I wrote. I denied, because, you know how could *I* have written buggy code? Upon being completely proven otherwise, I caved. Ever since, I write lots of tests, ask for QA, etc, and still never trust my own code 100%. Some people just never get a chance to get over their own ego and never learn they're fallible
@1Richwizard
5 ай бұрын
Arthmoor is acting like Bethesda is incapable of breaking his mod. This sort of thing has happened before. After Creation Club released, one of Bethesda's updates changed how the game handles precombined meshes, which caused problems with Beantown Interiors. It was reported to the author, Chucksteel. He looked into the matter, found the problem, acknowledged it, and fixed it in his mod. The next gen update changed how the game handles graphics. Since people are experiencing graphics issues with UFO4P installed, it would appear that the update is affecting something in UFO4P that is causing the stuttering. If the problem persists, it will continue to be widely reported. Locking down and deleting comments in the mod, and trying to ignore it, isn't going make it go away. Bethesda certainly isn't going to undo any of their changes to accommodate any modder. All modders will need to look into any reported problems and attempt to fix things on their end.
@atomiczombie22
5 ай бұрын
I play on my series X and the patch definitely introduced major stutters and hitches. They go away when I disable it.
@MajinJustin872
4 ай бұрын
Glad I found this video, bc I recently reinstalled fo4 with the patch mod, and it’s been unbearable with the constant lagging and stuttering. It’s also a shame that the developer of the mod doesn’t have a good reputation with how he handles situations, and also can’t acknowledge when something wrong is happening with his creation.
@richardlambert2627
5 ай бұрын
Actually I fixed the problem by un installing the next gen update and going retro to previous. All my mods work again and I haven't had any major headaches like this
@cursedmonkey1033
5 ай бұрын
Even before all this, the unofficial patch caused my game to crash frequently on Far Harbor.
@Citizen_Nappa23
5 ай бұрын
It also breaks Nuka World, you lose all dialogue options
@conandrake444
5 ай бұрын
Yes I was in the Chess Club
@herbo3437
5 ай бұрын
Whats the video in the backround with the dual minigund mod?
@tungsten8332
5 ай бұрын
At what time does this video shows this?
@herbo3437
5 ай бұрын
@@tungsten8332 at 7:07
@tungsten8332
5 ай бұрын
@@herbo3437 Oh, that mod is sick as hell
@herbo3437
5 ай бұрын
@@tungsten8332 do you know what its called?
@tungsten8332
5 ай бұрын
@@herbo3437 apparently, this is a showcase by Bethesda to demonstrate what mods could do.
@SOLDADITO76
3 ай бұрын
The main culprit in this whole factor is Bethsida with the next gen update. The update even broke there own launch of Fallout 4 London, and there talking about recommending downgrading to play it. Until Bethsida gets there sluff straight everyone will always have headaches.
@REZMETAL
5 ай бұрын
I've encountered this problem on XBX. However it happens with or without UFO4P installed, it's just worse when it is. It most commonly happens for me around settlements, or entering populated areas, Red Rocket and Concord for example. It almost as if when the game has to "do" something, it needs to think about it first.
@OliverClotheshoffe
5 ай бұрын
I believe this is Todd Howard getting revenge on the modders because a lot of them refused to support his pet project Starfield.
@tronam
5 ай бұрын
There’s over 7K mods for it and the Creation Kit hasn’t even been released yet, so maybe that’s a little premature.
@Nuniixo
5 ай бұрын
Arthmoor is absolutely horrible
@ProfDrBaum
5 ай бұрын
Everyone always talked about the unofficial patch and I can say with great confusion: I have never once used it. No matter how hard I mod the shit out of the game. I ususally just forget to get it and then never end up having a bug unfixable enough to justify getting it later. Not sure why.
@20tetsuo77
5 ай бұрын
Ah, Arthmoor. The bethesda super nerd megalomaniac of the community who believes his work is above everyone else's, even going so far as to send cease and desists to any mod author who tries to make a similar "unofficial patch" or any mod author who makes a tiny change in disagreement on how his team went about the patch's changes (see the ebony/quicksilver ore debacle, which I believe happened twice) due to his faulty belief that he has intellectual rights to his work as if it isn't entirely built off of bethesda's IP, all to hold onto a single shred of power in this world likely due to the fact that he probably looks like a foot irl. Love that guy
@willfingerle9126
4 ай бұрын
Although the unofficial patch might be helping it stand out more, that's just stuttering as the game loads the additional textures and items for the next cell(s) we are moving towards. If all the textures and items are already in play(loaded), no stuttering.
@Mark-vl9gc
5 ай бұрын
I play on PS5. Before the next gen update, I had to uninstall the UFP. I was crashing every 5 to 10 minutes in Far harbor because of it.
@VampireNoblesse
5 ай бұрын
those stutters shown here are nothing.., go by foot between settlements later in the game :/
@SonsOfLore
5 ай бұрын
I'm on PS5. Playing on PS4, I always had this issue at the Sanctuary bridge while using mods, and the unofficial patch. It got worse as time went on. When I reinstalled my mods for PS5, it rejected the unofficial patch. While I've only experienced the floating companion glitch once, and very temporary, the game has been running way better than ever. Not one single 0kb glitch while crafting, and modifying. I've never experienced this game running this well. I've never wwnt back to try and reinstall the patch.
@Plarux
5 ай бұрын
I’ve been playing vanilla Fallout 4 after testing mods with UFO4P and having stuttering. Removing it before they put out the second update fixed it, but the flickering meshes were only resolved after the newest update. EDIT: I’m on Xbox Series X btw
@Myst291
5 ай бұрын
I uninstalled the unofficial patch and my game still stutters, do I need to make a new game or is it a different mod?
@dialatedtechnology
5 ай бұрын
Mods or no mods, FO4 is unplayable for me even with a brand new high-end PC (14700K & 4080 Super) due to significant stuttering when I walk/run over cracks/holes in the ground or certain corners in the game-world. After hours of trial and error with and without mods, I uninstalled and moved on to better games with better engines.
@wolfwithin2967
5 ай бұрын
Thank atom i kept steam from auto updating
@Vantud391
5 ай бұрын
Bugthesda. Bugthesda never changes.
@LoneVaultWanderer
5 ай бұрын
This one isn't really about Bethesda
@GrumpyDeplorable
5 ай бұрын
@@LoneVaultWanderer Ultimately it is, with out Bugthesda bugs UFO4P would not be necessary.
@devonwarnock2625
5 ай бұрын
@@GrumpyDeplorablenormally id agree, but when the game is running smooth without the mod installed then the problem is pretty clear. Also it's only "necessary" because 90% of the mods have it as a dependency. Scripts can be changed though.
@LastWizardKing
5 ай бұрын
@@LoneVaultWanderer if bethesda wouldnt rely on modders to make the game run well and fix bugs then we wouldnt be here. so It does fall on them for putting the burden on modders
@michaelproctor8100
5 ай бұрын
After I deleted the Unofficial Patch, I traveled to the Prydwyn for the first time with Paladin Danse and experienced stuttering all the way over.
@wfp9378
5 ай бұрын
No intention of installing the Bethesda update as it broke a lot of mods
@fixitman2174
4 ай бұрын
Arthmoor is a veteran modder with more direct experience than all the critics combined. Ignoring veterans in favor of half-baked ideas from relative noobs is a good way to drive off those veterans. The modding community cannot survive on half-baked ideas.
@OverlordMalarkey
Ай бұрын
Considering Arthmoor stance on refusing to keep old versions of Unofficial Patchs on both Fallout and Skyrim im not surprised with this if im honest
@steveboutcher80
4 ай бұрын
I think the real question here is, why on earth would anyone install the NG update for FO4? We all knew it was going to trash mods. I'm just glad I remembered to turn off auto update. Hope all is fixed soon.
@justins2497
4 ай бұрын
Howabout upadating F4SE. Thats the one we REALLY need. Im still at version 6810 or what ever the hell it was before next-gen update.
@samuelfowler5921
5 ай бұрын
Christine's body slider and meshes still work, do what you want with the information
@Bludobi9001
5 ай бұрын
I'm glad i disabled updates before shtf. I learned my lesson with Skyrim
@aurelianchild-debrocas9314
5 ай бұрын
I also had to uninstall the Unofficial patch. The stuttering and crashing made my game almost unplayable. Now that it’s uninstalled, runs smooth. I don’t have any understanding of modding, but this was my experience
@blockmasterscott
5 ай бұрын
Wow, from what I’ve read here I’m glad I never installed the unofficial patch after the update.
@pannan80
4 ай бұрын
Bethesda should stop with their cash grab updates! They bricked skyrim too....can't even access creation club anymore.
@MatthewN8OHU
4 ай бұрын
I don't think Arthmoor has always been like this. I think the community created the monster that he is portrayed as by those on Reddit, by not accepting his team's decision to keep only the most recent version of mods available and not maintaining multiple versions of the mod for different combinations of DLC.
@nathansantana7055
5 ай бұрын
I think the stuttering inconsistencies is due to enemy npc proximity. The game seems to have difficulty loading in enemies, expecially if they have been modded in anyway.
@AJDraws
5 ай бұрын
Unless this is a mod people paid for, the mod creators really don't owe gamers anything.
@Thesquareandweird
5 ай бұрын
They also shouldn’t expect to be treated with kindness if they’re going to be acting like a fucking douche every time they get told “hey, something with your mod is fucked, here’s what i narrowed it down to.”
@wolfhors3_660
5 ай бұрын
Not ever letting FO4 update.
@xathlak
5 ай бұрын
Load times are still crazy, when they should be almost instant. Waiting 30 seconds to a minute to load the map whenever zoning out of a building etc. makes it not worth my time to play. NVME drives are not really supported by the game it would seem.
@Tattletale-Delta
5 ай бұрын
With the proper settings in the High FPS Physics Fix ini, load times are rarely more than 10 seconds.
@shiznitts
4 ай бұрын
I get stuttering with all steam games. it's not no tiny little bump stutter either, it's a whole 1-2 seconds of complete stoppage. I wonder if its because I use an external drive because occasionally the whole USB will "unplug" itself (not physically) and a pc restart is required to fix it
@WastelandWanderer1216
5 ай бұрын
There are some well loved mods that requires the unofficial patch such as Start Me Up Redux so it is unlikely that the Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch will die unless there is an alternative like New Vegas's YUP patch made for Fallout 4.
@1s3ngr1m
4 ай бұрын
What is wrong with the intellectual capabilities of people? The mod makers made a great mod for Fallout4 - PRE-next-gen-update. The original game developers CHANGED the game mechanics of Fallout 4. To now make the makers of the "aged" and "outdated" unofficial mod, that was made for practically a completely different game responsible, is just nuts!
@isthatyoursomnomnom
5 ай бұрын
The game still crashes in Cambridge, the Defend The Castle From The Brotherhood quest is still broken.. Bethesda didn’t fix SHHT. All they did was break what modders fixed. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR THIS ASS STUDIO 🙄
@chaserseven2886
5 ай бұрын
This is getting pretty silly this community cannot decide whever they want Bethesda to fix the game or cry when their mods break
@isthatyoursomnomnom
5 ай бұрын
@@chaserseven2886 Aw.. youre cute. Those two things are not and do not need to mutually exclusive. Stop accepting mediocrity - or at least stop defending it. 🙄
@chaserseven2886
5 ай бұрын
@@isthatyoursomnomnomI’m sorry facts hurt your feelings this community is indecisive and it’s getting tiresome
@isthatyoursomnomnom
5 ай бұрын
@@chaserseven2886 my god.. you even like your comments. Bro, never talk shht about anyone else. Ever.
@chaserseven2886
5 ай бұрын
@@isthatyoursomnomnomand? So what if I like my own comments? I take it your a fan of that demon keffals who wants to ratio everyone? Quite sad. Also no argument? Opinion irrelevant
@MrZlocktar
5 ай бұрын
I haven't seen any problems or reason to ever install this mod to fix anything. It's hard to even tell what this mod fixing, so i would rather avoid it completely.
@numb1gxfan
5 ай бұрын
I never get bugs, but this time I guess I'm unlucky, 7 crashes, audio issues, companion going through walls, some textures not loading etc. It's been a mess, needs more fixes.
@SonsOfLore
5 ай бұрын
There's two reasons for disabling comments. Harassment, or Narcissism. Either people are being abusive or the administrator basically can't handle criticism, even when it's valid.
@johnlopez5230
5 ай бұрын
Todd Howard: Who's laughing now?
@flameguy3416
5 ай бұрын
512 TIMES THE STUDIO CLOSURES.
@chaserseven2886
5 ай бұрын
@@flameguy3416blaming Todd for studios closing he wasn’t even involved in is ridiculous
@johnlopez5230
5 ай бұрын
@@chaserseven2886 Xbox: Who's laughing now?
@conwaycruiser5796
5 ай бұрын
Coming from someone who is new to the whole modding scene . I was having the same issues talked about in this video . After unistalling one mod at a time it was finally obvious that the unoffical patch was causing the problem . I am not familiar with Arthmoor but as soon as I entered the post section of his mod page my first thoughts where wow this guy has issues he thinks he is so much smarter than everyone that you cant even have a respectful exchange with him ! So anyways as the old saying goes dear Arthmoor if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen and please get over yourself if you dont enjoy what your doing then hand it over to someone who does .
@lonewanderer6623
5 ай бұрын
The unofficial fallout patch caused massive issues for me on Xbox last year. It ruined an 150+ hour save for me as it broke the Nuka wold dlc. After looking for answers on Reddit I saw others talking about it over the space of a year with no fixes ever being implemented. I’ve not used it since then and to be honest I’ve not had any issues.
@Mac87Paddy
5 ай бұрын
Funny this, before 1st update 149 mods running smooth including the unofficial patch, Then with the update my mod play test id run from vault 111 to grey garden, (thru concord-past Carla, past Trudy to the train cars, turn right past 3 dog’s eating ragstag under bridge, past radioactive containers with ghouls,past grey garden to the red train bridge). While doing this with my list I’d get repeated/able major major frame/lags spikes, (before f4 update that lag would of definitely CTD my Xbox , but with update f4 recovers now), so as you do I installed 1 mod at a time (ran my test route) until I found the culprits…in my list- unofficial patch, war never changes, unique settlers, caravan guards,wasteland npc overhaul all were causing major freezes all roughly on the same places and together like I said CTD type of lag Major lag …now with 149 mods I get tiny hiccups without those mods…but remember these mods are free and a mod like the unofficial patch must took some time, so never stress the modders, the mods were fine until the update, (literally day of update) I know 0% about modding (only f4 Xbox) but it seems Bethesda have done something to the NPC’s a certain way that some mods (not all), that change the npc are causing it, so it seemed…but yeah it’s repeatable I’d have ruffly 16 major freezes in that test run, 2 days ago my mate who doesn’t mod or play f4 came round asked what I was doing re-running that route, I told him mod testing and I was predicting the freezes to him, explaining about mods..now this so it’s a thing not just my ordering 😂, but yeah repeating to the point of predicting seconds in advance.
@Mac87Paddy
5 ай бұрын
My hitch locations with these mods on my route …just off cliff straight off 111 that little stream…STAY in the road from here-as you get eyes on the bloodbugs rounding RR corner….as you get the concord discovered msg…5 steps later as you pass the building (on your right) entering concord…by the sand bags by Preston….passing concord church…rounding the corner by cars as you get eyes on Carla…passing behind Wolfgang (staying on road) …passing the back of the trucks (pie machine)… back of the unlockable trailer door (go right from trailer door ) as you go under the bridge with dogs And as you pass the ghouls by radioactive barrels and final lag as I’d approach the broken highway (by grey garden) those are just the major freezes that kept repeating until I uninstalled.
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