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@greywolf9587
3 ай бұрын
Kelani probably: "Finally done editing, time to upload another crafting video.... what should I pick for the thumbnail...hammer and anvil....? Nah Belf in a Bra is more relatable. UPLOAD!"
@allzofeel
3 ай бұрын
😂
@UltimateGamerCC
3 ай бұрын
gotta catch the audience's eye.
@soapgaming4903
3 ай бұрын
Got me to click
@williamcolgin1987
3 ай бұрын
Bewbs
@corruption3749
3 ай бұрын
haha he knows what he doing 😅
@doclewis8927
2 ай бұрын
Thanks. I think the NPC workorders will be quite helpful for people like myself who have anxiety dealing with others, even in a game setting, because let's face it...some of the players can be quite toxic. I've only run into a few but that's all I needed for me to run everything solo so a lot of the stuff they're implimenting is impressive. Can't wait to try it all out.
@TheDragonOfWhi
3 ай бұрын
Tbh honest for me, the dragonflight system killed proffessions for me. I use to have a toon for everyone, now i havent even bothered to max out mining on my main. Has just main it all useless.
@brianweaver327
3 ай бұрын
Blizzard, stop trying to make Crafting Orders happen. You already have a system implemented to let players craft items and sell them. It's called the Auction House.
@vikarious5367
3 ай бұрын
Hey Kelani, it's folks.
@MichaelB769
3 ай бұрын
I'm not proud of how many times I've said that
@steveblease
3 ай бұрын
Clown
@axlrose9460
3 ай бұрын
Folks hey Kelani it's
@Matersoup
3 ай бұрын
My opinion is they've overcomplicated the professions to the extreme. Completely ridiculous.
@worldgate989
3 ай бұрын
Bro, dragonflight professions sucked, i felt like i needed to get a part time job just to buy tokens to afford mats. I don't have enough time in the day to take on a second and third job.
@WayneRogersOutdoors
3 ай бұрын
I have zero interest in crafting ever since the launch of dragon flight. It’s all much too complex with way too many steps and way too many materials.
@rogersmith7808
3 ай бұрын
Exactly, I even watched videos and had difficulty figuring this nonsense out. Looks like I won't be crafting in TWW either.
@NTTTTTT52
3 ай бұрын
♿
@StraussWyldeTT
3 ай бұрын
Came back late and I was so lost I never leveled professions. It was already overwhelming being hit with everything at 70. Plus having to relearn classes. Too much reading for anything except raiding.
@watchonjar
3 ай бұрын
its intentional blizz doesnt want casual players, using professions they want afew players making gold cap 5x over and everyone else buying tokens to afford there crafts
@Xero-Space
3 ай бұрын
I gave up on professions early on cause in order to actually continue leveling up after a certain point for certain ones was pointless unless you sat in trade chat all day getting people needing specific gear And if you didnt do this early on people could already craft rank 5 of what everyone wants so if you couldnt you were shit out of luck
@victorb5
3 ай бұрын
yeah, would be nice if they allowed the public orders you post to have a quality rank requirement like personal orders. would get a lot more people engaged with it if they don't have to worry about getting a trash craft.
@KrafftyGoesBackpacking
3 ай бұрын
One thing I would like to see is that once you have the "first craft" bonus knowledge, you should get permanant skill points added for every craft going forward... not a lot, just maybe one point bonus for that piece/ item every time it's created. Say, for example and to use something simple, tailor's making bolts ... start out with level one but after so many crafts you automatically and slowly add bonus skill to making better bolts.
@angel7171972
3 ай бұрын
Dragon flight is the only expansion I never leveled profs to max because I just didn't understand it
@scorpogee6280
3 ай бұрын
I'm just ticked that all my work is going to be for nothing as I'm casual playing when doing WoW.
@ApogeeSol
3 ай бұрын
As someone who leveled every profession to max in DF, it's not that difficult to understand. It's just tedious, the rewards for doing so was lots of gold, since so few cared to engage with it. Hopefully the changes in TWW will help more people engage with the system.
@williamcolgin1987
3 ай бұрын
@@ApogeeSol lots and lots of gold! 😀
@amartian2
3 ай бұрын
First expansion I maxed all the profs and actually made reliable gold from them
@watchonjar
3 ай бұрын
@@scorpogee6280 Yeah thats the main issue with profs atm with this system. You are literally wasting ur time if you engage with it casually, its only worth it if you basically main profs like you would become a raider or a high level m+ player. My theory on this is they did this to encourage players to buy the token instead of engaging with professions. This is why i doubt any of the changes will make casual players come back to profs becuase the moment you do is the moment u are less reliant on buying the token like so many are right now.
@SeventhSwell
3 ай бұрын
Only change I want to see in professions is for them to delete the DF profession revamp completely. But these will have to do, I guess.
@Crikeys57
3 ай бұрын
I think I got all that except the bit after hey there this is Kelani.
@DevesTechnet
3 ай бұрын
Kel, there is something nobody is GETTING.... it has caused me and many other die hard WOW players to stop using the profession system ENTIRELY. When I go to the crafting Orders and I simply want the BEST quality (lets say illimited diamond w mastery for my ilvel 525 pally) and I ASK for the very best one.. Guess what? I get a level 2 because why? Because they CAN!!! And there is nothing I can do about it. I give out thousands of gold for the best, and someone who cant provide it, gives me crap. Until that is resolved, professions in general are DEAD to not just me, but everyone who feels the same way. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD tell me how this can be resolved and ended once and for all before this exciting expansion??? Thanks for the great content!
@forafewnightsout
3 ай бұрын
Don't use a public order for the best end game gem when you doing the highest end content my guy. Ask a guildy or have a conversation with a professional you find in trade chat, lock it at rank 4. Tip well and go back to them for more work later. Also get some patience probably lol
@victorb5
3 ай бұрын
public orders are open to whatever currently, but if you send a specific craft request to a player you can select an option for what rank craft they are required to make. the crafter cant fulfill the order if they aren't able to craft the rank you selected. would be nice if they added that option to public craft as well, not sure why they dont.
@watchonjar
3 ай бұрын
yeah the reason this happens is prof levels and prof specs.
@DevesTechnet
3 ай бұрын
@@watchonjar Yeah, trade chat is the WORST idea for making crafting orders. We all know from years of experience that chat in general is unreliable at best. We want what we pay for. Simple as that. Crafting and Professions in general are dead until they solve that problem. I cant tell you how many messages I have received that agree with this sentiment, meaning, SADLY, that there are so may people who feel this way, they just dont understand the misery and the lack of participation in what used to be a really important part of the game they are creating by ignoring this very VERY important issue. I really wish this wasnt the downer that it is, but coming into a new expansion, there is no way this should be ignored. NO WAY!
@watchonjar
3 ай бұрын
@@DevesTechnet They Clearly they wanted most ppl to be ok using the CO system and getting inferior gear most of the time, and then for ppl to develop networks when they got good crafts. But they forgot that players haven't thought like that since vanilla and actually just see anything other then the top quality as trash, which the high resource cost for crafts further enforces and leads to ppl exclusively seeking on the top crafters in trade chat/top crafters advertising. And whats funny is this whole system is clearly just a janky work around to them having an aversion to players selling crafted gear on the AH. Also my tinfoil hat theory is they did this to kill the casual players dreams of making gold so to encourage him to buying a token.
@DietcokeHD1
3 ай бұрын
i found crafting so tedious this expansion , to me it was easier to just do mythic+8's ( +18 seasons 1-3 ) for my BiS gear. I spent so much time maxing it out ( Black Smithing ) and didnt even use it.
@williamcolgin1987
3 ай бұрын
Tedious, yes, but amazingly profitable! Every time I passed through Valdrakken I make 10-20k.
@ListentoFairToMidlandNow
3 ай бұрын
i completely dropped it, just get a few things made here and there
@Rembanspellsong
3 ай бұрын
I maxed out LWing, used it twice to make my BiS belt and boots. Otherwise was pretty much useless. only drums were useful for when people didn't have a hero, which with all the classes that have hero now is a rarity.
@Smiding
3 ай бұрын
I have use LW a lot but also i don't play in that top 1% bracket
@AlfaStation1
3 ай бұрын
As a casual player there really is no point investing time to level up professions. Up untill Pandaria I kept my proffessions more or less maxed out, but the reset every expansion and the huge discrepencies in power from 1 expansion to another, hell, even from 1 season to another, killed it for me.
@grade14
2 ай бұрын
As a casual player, professions are currently your friend. They take a while to level overall, but it is not challenging to do so, just a little here a little there. With the changes in DF (and WW) crafting allows you to make items just as strong as items you can get in dungeons and raids. Each season the ilvl in M+/raid goes up and there is a new token you can earn by playing to upgrade your existing crafts to the new higher ilvl. Also, the difficulty of the crafts does not go up with season ilvl, so if you can craft an item in S1 you will be able to recraft that item is S3 to the new S3 ilvl without a problem.
@FGK_Capone
Ай бұрын
@@grade14 But the expansion is so shitty overall, no one will make it that far before they unsub....
@edmondprice6215
3 ай бұрын
I miss going to a trainer to learn something. Adding Knowledge points to a random wheel and that gives me +5 skill makes no sense.
@UltimateGamerCC
3 ай бұрын
L take
@edmondprice6215
3 ай бұрын
@@UltimateGamerCC Why do you like the circles that we put points into?
@UltimateGamerCC
3 ай бұрын
@@edmondprice6215 because it feels more like we are mastering these crafts on our own, rather than stick to the old notion that we need a master crafter in order to master the crafts. and it makes more sense in a land where the locals dont really craft the same things that people use, we're crafting all new stuff for the most part.
@edmondprice6215
3 ай бұрын
@@UltimateGamerCC I like this idea, W take
@UltimateGamerCC
3 ай бұрын
@@edmondprice6215 exactly, it made sense consulting masters in like MoP and other lands, but this is undiscovered country for us mortals, there are no masters, just constructs, spiders and half-elf soldiers.
@Scott_72
3 ай бұрын
Still way too overcomplicated. Will skip professions again this expansion.
@rogersmith7808
3 ай бұрын
Same here, I feel like only a small percentage of players actually understand and use the crafting system.
@Turbotef
3 ай бұрын
Yup, I liked how it was before. The types of overhauls they did since Legion are best left for new games IMO.
@Coldfox77
3 ай бұрын
I’m still leveling them! It’s taking an age
@watchonjar
3 ай бұрын
@@rogersmith7808 Its not even just that, due to the speed of levelling even when you understand the system you understand that its just not worth it for most players. You legit have to put in like a hc raider or a high rated pvper's amount of time into profs for it to be worth it.
@grade14
2 ай бұрын
...I don't even... its literally get the materials on the list press craft just like its always been. The different quality of items just kinda exists outside of normal crafting. If the talent system is what is to complicated just think about normal class talents when you earn xp and level you get a point, when you earn knowledge you get a point. Just play around with your profession for like 20-30 min and you'll have it figured out and realize that you thought it was harder than it is.
@brianadams5304
3 ай бұрын
I didn't do any professions on alts, just not worth the time sink. I'm an engineer on my main, why is it that almost everything you create in engineering require so many reagents from other professions but the reagents that engineers make are only needed by other engineers. Garbage. I didn't max out my engineering either, it cost like 12k to buy the reagents from other professions just to make 1 item that may or may not level you up.
@williamcolgin1987
3 ай бұрын
IMO Engineering is a pain and isn’t a good profession for gold making in comparison to the others. To make 1 item you have to craft so many separate parts from so many mats. Not fun. Pick up blacksmithing or leather working. Those are guaranteed to make gold. Keep in mind, depending on what path you take, it may take some time for demand to catch up due to spark time gating. Tools and weapons are good sellers at the start and then armor pieces a few weeks later.
@brianadams5304
3 ай бұрын
@@williamcolgin1987 I don't do engineering to make gold, been playing since TBC, gold is not an issue, what I want is to not have my profession always locked behind other professions. Look man, I just want to be wanted as an engineer, that's all, just once I want to see LF Eng....I don't even know how to abbreviate that. LF BS, LF JC, LF Eng...ugh nevermind. P.S. your advice is very on point though.
@williamcolgin1987
3 ай бұрын
@@brianadams5304 the only LF engie I would ever see was for the occasional broomstick craft or overly complex bracers, but even those were rare requests. They really need to pair down the mats required. My engie has crazy full bags from just so much random engie mats.
@T.R.75
3 ай бұрын
crafting system is needlessly convoluted. gearing system is needlessly convoluted. ive come back to the game after a long break and i have zero idea what i should be doing, how to spend my flightstones that are now capped but all i have is crappy gear, so im scared to continue main story questing while im capped and lose flightstones from rewards, yet i had to look at guides to figure out wtf to do with them. its just not new player friendly. end of story. does TWW fix all this? i dont see these changes as fun. every guide video i watch just turns into word salad trying to explain all these convoluted systems. what a pain. im no WoW newb either, ive been playing since the end of TBC, i heroic raided during Wrath and Cata. ive played every expansion since TBC. i know about having to use outside guides for just about everything in this game. imagine being completely new and having no idea about any of this. good vid though. without people explaining things to a portion of this playerbase, the players would be lost.
@williamcolgin1987
3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately retail wow requires guides. If that’s a deal breaker there is always classic. The new profession and upgrade system are convoluted, yes, but once learned are pretty great IMO. Don’t worry about flight stones. You will constantly be getting more as you play.
@bethanysolimine5428
3 ай бұрын
I'm trying to get my husband to come back. This is not helping. We've played since MoonGuard was created and he quit after Shadowlands. All these new complicated systems, the fact that almost nothing is bought with just gold or even one currency, has not helped him want to come back.
@williamcolgin1987
3 ай бұрын
@@bethanysolimine5428 you can still play without ever using the new upgrade or crafting systems. Just run whatever content you like doing. If you do happen to want to upgrade, just plug an item into the npc and hit upgrade. You don’t have to keep track of the currencies, it’s in the background. Crafting is also purely optional and if you want to get something crafted as a client, just buy the mats and hit a button in a panel.
@nervous1022
3 ай бұрын
uh yea I will just skip professions again this expansion
@chaoshunting5659
3 ай бұрын
Can’t wait for people to charge 20k for enchants like in s4…
@sadoryutenryu664
3 ай бұрын
the knowledge cap per week is actually infuriating, MASSIVE step backwards. if i want to invest my playtime into working on proffessions, i should be rewarded for that NOT PUNISHED.
@JoltColaOfEvil
3 ай бұрын
The NPC crafting orders tab replaces the guild tab? I liked the guild tab :(
@Bullit151
3 ай бұрын
His char is not in a guild, I'd expect there will be a tab when in one.
@lindadelorme5117
3 ай бұрын
Here's hoping they don't lock recipes behind a dungeon like they did with the cauldron of decay...and the cost of making your own was stupid...they really screwed over Herb/Alch in DF. Who has EVER heard of herbs that run when you try to gather them. WTF is THAT? Stupid is what that is.
@LazySleestack
3 ай бұрын
REALLY disappointed that they kept DF crafting. I understand it well enough. I just don't like it. It has filled all my bags with more sets of crap than any other expansion. Now I face even more pack bloat. Blizzard seems to switch around the developers who hate the players. In Shadowlands they gave them control of the main story. In Dragonflight they gave them crafting.
@pikus4392
3 ай бұрын
they made proffession system (regardless which one) so to use it on daily basis you need to do zillion homeworks, etc. We got this in real life, stop fcking doing shity crap in games. Make proffesion something to be joyfull, when does not require time sink and fcking irritation. Persons responsible for developing this system and continuing this in WW should be at least relegated or fired. This is utter shit system. MAKE IT SIMPLE FFS!.
@Stealyblaid
3 ай бұрын
Qualities and tiers...yuk. I was hoping they would change it or eliminate it. It's tiring looking for the amount of stars a thing is. Wish they would make the different qualities have a color glow around em like gear. Green 1 star, blue 2 stars etc. And ya know they went from no nothing boring professions to such a complex system having to remember terms ranks blahblahblah...now Ingenuity blahblahblah..
@YouAreOneOfUs
3 ай бұрын
Blizzard needs to be sued. If you buy the epic account and then later buy any upgrade for another account you don't get anything they say you do. Off to the right (not even in fine print but worse) they have tons of text saying nothing, then in a drastically lighter color text you can barely see they say you don't get any more items they say you do, like Trader Tender. For them to not put an astrix(*) by the items you won't get implies you will get them and for them to hide the text, after they know thousands of people filed for help requesting items they didn't get, means they know it's an issue yet still hide it from customers. That's fraud and intentional. They told me they would ban me if I ever used the help system again.
@Retadin
2 ай бұрын
Dragonflight profession system is trash. This is the first expansion I will not get Master of All. I want the old system back, but keeping recipes relevant ilvl wise, throughout the expansion. That is the only good thing about DF professions.
@ademord
3 ай бұрын
I cba w professions tbh anymore they killed my interest because of how grindy they are. Its just bs
@TheDAZ1001
3 ай бұрын
Lucky you don't need them to enjoy the game.
@danielemo93
3 ай бұрын
Material ranks are stupid, now we have to pay even more for max-crafted gear.. this is just stupid... just remove the material ranks jesus
@crank279
2 ай бұрын
Same go's for me, I not wasted time on professions. Its to much of demanding and boring. I can understand that there are many players who didn't do it either. Especially alts
@ImmortalPrime
3 ай бұрын
Didn't like the new crafting system because having loads of crafters with the same profession was more advantageous than ever, especially at the start of the expansion.. now it's going to be even worse with the caps and concentration.
@j.a.1785
3 ай бұрын
I don't care for the new systems at all.
@oldman1973
3 ай бұрын
They didn't learn anything from Dragonflight. Timegating of any kind at all on professions is fucking stupid and should not be a thing period.
@Eskers32
3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately inscription is kind of in a underbaked state compared to the rest of them
@Marneus28
3 ай бұрын
Literally all they had to do to professions in Dragonflight was allow us to have our two crafting and also one gathering profession on our characters at the same time like practically EVERY other MMO out there does. Then just allow the crafted gear to be on par with other gear that you can get from raids and pvp, like they used to be back in BC and Wrath. All this other over complicated fluff is just bull shit busy work that just makes things annoying for people that don't have hours and hours to dedicate to grinding their profs constantly. It's just dumb.
@theR1ch
3 ай бұрын
The only problem i ever had with the new professions was the obnoxious timegating to knowlege points.
@skylarius3757
3 ай бұрын
and only being able to craft in the city.
@gapatoa
2 ай бұрын
You can only dream of the old prof system, the fun to lvl most of prof on different alts... but those times are gone it seems for good :-(
@nitebones1
3 ай бұрын
one of the things i hope is they remove the important recipies being from super rares like the elemental laranite its such a low drop rate you could be farming for weeks for it but it is bis for so many people. the new work order system was so good for getting your crafted gear if you dont have the recipy but relying on a rando to make it for you when you dont know if they can max it expecally early on can be a struggle
@victorb5
3 ай бұрын
yeah having that ring recipes that was BiS going for millions on the AH wasn't fun. all these changes go towards removing the volatility and changeability of outside factors, so maybe they'll apply that to the most lucrative recipes as well rather than gating them to a small subset of players.
@nitebones1
3 ай бұрын
@@victorb5 like I'm fine with drops needing some farming like the embelisment items dropping from raid but at least those had a high drop rate and dropped from all 4 difficulties so they were some what farmable. But that neck only dropped from rares and only during elemental storms, so you could be waiting hours for the rares to even show up for a what 1% drop rate
@SamoIsKing
3 ай бұрын
Call me a “Classic Andy” but I much prefered the old, simpler profession system. Learn a recipe, get the mats. Do you have the skill? Then you can craft it. Then pick a specialisation later on. This new system just has too much shit going on.
@gargorath
3 ай бұрын
Classic Andy
@voodoochild-gaming
3 ай бұрын
I respect your opinion, but i could not disagree more. I LOVE the new profession system introduced in Dragonflight and it has made me and my friends (who never did professions because tbh it sucked) to dive deep into it and have all professions across several characters.
@Crikeys57
3 ай бұрын
I agree, much easier to max profession and sell gear on AH. As far as I can see I have everything maxed out but still can’t make a high level enchant. I’m not game to accept an order, in case I stuff it up and get abused all over General chat.
@PuffGroundHoggy
3 ай бұрын
Nah, this is just an excuse from the one that was not able to accept the new thing Old crafting system had shit nothing, it wasn't even a 'system' cuz it had no meaning into it You might as well remove all the crafting profession and replace it with NPC
@jooeyunu
3 ай бұрын
How would they be able to time-gate you and keep you subbing with the classic system? The new system is dog do do
@LELady33
3 ай бұрын
I hated Dragonflight professions. Too complicated and, if you’re a casual player it’s very hard to level it all up. Wished they would go back to the old systems.
@twelvezeros
2 ай бұрын
Yep. The first expansion i skipped professions entirely
@JimTaulman
2 ай бұрын
Hard disagree. Old professions were mostly irrelevant, and most people just went herb/alch for longer phials. They sucked and never remained relevant. This was a good step in defining a difficult/intricate crafting system that players could spend lots of time in. In all the MMOs I’ve played there have always been “crafters” or people who just enjoy crafting as their end game content and will sit in towns wheeling and dealing. It’s a critical part of most MMOs. WoW hasn’t had that in a long time. DF tried to bring it back, and for a while it did. Crafters we back, and items remained relevant for longer periods of time. Was it perfect? Far from it. But I’m happy to see updates and Blizz iterating on this model and trying something different.
@wisetekniquez5812
2 ай бұрын
Complicated 😮 sucks to suck imo nothing hard about it. I lvld them all to max easily your just lazy and are mad there isn't a swipe your CC here for max lvl. Gitgud
@darcraven01
2 ай бұрын
my biggest gripe is the rng on learning recipies. like, it wouldnt be bad if it was for some limited max level items but having to craft a bunch of low lvl stuff in hopes you unlock a slightly better item that you'll craft a bunch of in hopes of getting a slightly better item and repeating several times is dumb. (honestly its even dumb for high lvl recipies imo.. high end ones should be like the pandarian treasure carts)
@worldgate989
3 ай бұрын
I hope they don't f--king make it so we cant get the recipes like they like to do with other expansions.
@EnKaitch
3 ай бұрын
Great video as always but just a lil thing about KPs the cap is for outdoor KP that you can earn by doing trasures rares and such because the game still has profession treasures which if capped will be lost when looted renown will be awarding KP so if its locked that KPs is just lost and there are sources which you can buy KP with Artisan Acuity so that would be useless too if its capped per week its probably outdoor KP that is Capped and not all the sources. they might cap the use of KP but not earning it hope this comment will be helpful ❤
@steveblease
3 ай бұрын
Sounds like the same complete BS nightmare. I have played since 2004 and never have I felt more disappointed in this game.
@christopherdaffron8115
3 ай бұрын
I think it would be valuable if this video would clarify whether or not these changes to crafting coming in TWW will be applicable to Dragonflight crafting as well. Thanks in advance!
@leecolvin3758
3 ай бұрын
We should get levelling xp for gathering and crafting
@gabrielcarlesso5946
3 ай бұрын
I know very little about professions, would you suggest I should stick with mining/herbalism?
@williamcolgin1987
3 ай бұрын
Gathering is a great low maintenance profession but doesn’t make much gold in comparison to some of the high maintenance crafting professions. Crafting is basically a mini game within wow. Some like it, some hate, it but it’s completely optional.
@Silvertaurus_
3 ай бұрын
Crafting Orders system had 2 biggest flaws: - public order with None/Some reagents - makes system overflown by scamers and almost unusable - public order can not request quality - which turns off people from it, and unless marketing is your passion you better don't start any crafting and stick to gathering. Concetration is nice QoL, but not game changing compared to above issues. NPC work orders are nice for leveling .. but unless those two above are not solved, there is no point leveling crafting profession, so it's like money sink game (leveling and mats are still more expensive, than what you got from NPC WO).
@williamcolgin1987
3 ай бұрын
On the beta, public orders now require all mats to be included.
@Bullit151
3 ай бұрын
Concentration allows them to add a quality requirement to public orders, as you can now be certain whether or not you can make the required quality level (Inspiration was too random). Whether they add this or not is another matter.
@Korvane
3 ай бұрын
To hell with weekly caps on every last thing
@lennyvalentin6485
3 ай бұрын
As long as the cap isn't egregiously low - I'm a casual bastard, and it took me about AN ENTIRE YEAR to max out herb/alchemy on my main, and it's so far the only character I'm anywhere close to maxing out anything on. I just didn't have the patience to hunt for and kill rares ALL THE TIME for a relatively low chance to gain one bloody knowledge point. So another year in War Within of slow, slow grinding towards a goal that feels as distant as a mirage at the horizon of a desert would NOT be ideal. But stopping fanatical people with too much time on their hands from capping out their professions long before anyone else, welp I'm all down with that.
@munteanuflorin3587
3 ай бұрын
no future whit this Professions system
@TheAstraios
3 ай бұрын
By making the R3 mats harder to attain from gathering would make you think that R1/R2 mats would be used more often but because they are buffing the impact mats have on crafts up to 40% no one will use R1/R2 mats because you won't be able to max out ilvl on them. Basically just making gathering stuff more annoying and less likely to give you what you need to craft your own equipment. We'll end up just buying R3 mats off bot farmed AH listing.
@mihaileonard1764
3 ай бұрын
or you can use those rank 1 and 2 mats to craft rank 3 mats. you can already do that in DF
@UltimateGamerCC
3 ай бұрын
rank 1 and 2 will be used to level crafting, as they should.
@GoddessPallasAthena
3 ай бұрын
"The good news is that the profession system is mostly the same as Dragonflight" in an expansion that saw MOST people I know completely give up on professions, a LOT of people didn't even know how to put in work orders, and I was probably the only one in my (admittedly, small guild) that maxed both professions (skill/knowledge/equipment) on one toon anyway, and not only continued to make stuff for the guild vault (bags, enchant scrolls) but offered to do work orders (only a few people took me up on it because even THAT was too complicated). We had ONE guy on the server (who I suspect, bought a ton of gold and used it to fuel skilling/getting knowledge/equipment for his professions early - and I think that's ALL crafting professions on his various toons) that EVERYONE was asking for, but he's not on 24/7 and tends to take breaks from the game. When he's not on, I've seen people spam LF (whatever crafter) for quite awhile, just to get rework or good quality item done, because there just wasn't that many crafters hanging out. And yes, a lot of MIN/MAXING friends have completely just stopped doing professions. I was crafting for a friend and he actually had to make a few items to GET 5 METTLE. He didn't run out - he never HAD any. Maybe rather than having NPC work orders, have it so we don't rely on work orders to advance. I HATED that aspect. Throughout my gameplay in WoW, I've used professions mostly for myself, guild and friends. I didn't do it for gold, though now, with so FEW crafters, I've been making some gold (the tip varies a ton - some tip very little). NPC work orders just sound like waste of rather expansive mats (I've spent more gold on mats and on consumable this expansion than any other, even considering expansion inflation - I'm thinking this system was dreamed up partially by accounting, since people out there are probably buying tokens to afford some of this - I don't). I think work orders should simply be there as a convenience for people who need specific items. As I don't actually do professions to MAKE gold (but kind of have HAD to) this changes the way I do professions in a very negative way for me. It had been one of the most engaging things for me up through WoD (and then in late Shadowlands, minus the Legendary system which was, again a huge gold sink). This won't make rank 1 or 2 more "popular." It will just frustrate people and maybe push people to buy tokens to afford the better items. They will settle for it but no one will be happy.
@fabiusque4266
3 ай бұрын
To be fair, a lot of people gave up because the crafting system had a few extremely stupid things, like alchemy research explosion into a long cooldown shit. The idea of the whole thing itself is good in my opinion.
@scottstevenson3848
3 ай бұрын
The WoW crafting system is the easiest system in an MMO by far. Before DF it was boring and could be plvled by gold. Now you actually have to work at it. I personally love crafting as it’s another endgame to me. Other MMOs have crafting where you can fail and loss some or all of your mats. At least it’s not that bad yet
@bethanysolimine5428
3 ай бұрын
@@ksadjdadjaifen it's on a different tab! I thought you had to go to the place they showed you in Valdrakken, but it's a TAB on your professions window. That would have been nice to know.
@Cultist-Cat
3 ай бұрын
So professions are gatekept now too? Neat
@DevesTechnet
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, trade chat is the WORST idea for making crafting orders. We all know from years of experience that chat in general is unreliable at best. We want what we pay for. Simple as that. Crafting and Professions in general are dead until they solve that problem. I cant tell you how many messages I have received that agree with this sentiment, meaning, SADLY, that there are so may people who feel this way, they just dont understand the misery and the lack of participation in what used to be a really important part of the game they are creating by ignoring this very VERY important issue. I really wish this wasnt the downer that it is, but coming into a new expansion, there is no way this should be ignored. NO WAY!
@txdmsk
3 ай бұрын
You don't understand what's wrong with professions in WoW. But that's fine, most players do not understand either, and just grind their noobtrap professions without thinking it through. Firstly, bots completely destroy professions. Most of the economy is controlled by bots running 0/24/7, and Blizzard reportedly does not care about them. Secondly, even if there were no bots, professions would be noobtraps, as they give no gameplay bonuses. It is easier to just buy gold for real money, or get gold otherwise and have your items crafted by some noob in the noobtrap. There is no good reason why you should gather or craft stuff for yourself or others. TBC crafting was simplistic and not much fun, but in 2.0 the BoP craftable epics were pretty damn good. In most of WoW's history crafting not made sense. In WOTLK and some other expansions crafting granted you stat bonuses, which was simplistic and not much fun, but useful.
@LoveBeyondStars
3 ай бұрын
late to the game, I know...but...just entered PTR, did Gadgetzan War Bands quests...cannot find a way to get out of Orgimmar. No quests pop up. No Questzertauren. Nothing. HELP?
@edmondprice6215
3 ай бұрын
Concentration is way better. They should have patched out Inspiration in early Dragon flight.
@Byhythloh
2 ай бұрын
I kind of wish there were profession rewards what actually used previous professions. Having your DF professions just becoming completely irrelevant once expansion launches feels terrible. There should be mount rewards or something which require you to craft base ingredients requiring DF/Mists/Cata recipes. A reason to level past expansion professions. Not saying this is the right way, but something should be implements to avoid redundancy.
@bryantan492
3 ай бұрын
Are they finaly putting a min quality toggle for public crafting orders?
@thehivetyrant614
3 ай бұрын
Awesome interesting video! I have a question, though. With knowledge going away for DF profs, what happens to the recipes it unlocked and I haven't got yet? Are they gone forever? Will we be able to, say, buy them at trainers? I am a recipe completionist and this causes me a bit of anxiety at the moment. Should I try to unlock them all now? ;)
@Xourcecode
3 ай бұрын
With the next expansion the DF cratfs will as irrelevant as previous expansions? If so wtf is the point? I have always thought they should allow us to unlock recipes as we do, but the materials required should dictate the level and usefulness of the created item. Like lets say I have an old recipe from classic, if I could use the updated Draganflight leathers and stuff that item would be DF level, if crafted with Wrath materials, it would be wrath level. you see what I am saying? or vice versa, maybe a new item could go backwards to a previous expac, but I could see that being more of a pain for Blizz. it would just be nice that all the work getting these things wasn't for not... i think I am making sense.
@deemer3918
3 ай бұрын
Let us hope they avoid another Elemental Lariat fiasco again. That was extremely frustrating to grind for weeks.
@ApogeeSol
3 ай бұрын
Considering there's an item that has a chance to get recipes from, I'm hoping for that as well.
@A_B90_
3 ай бұрын
That's how professions should be for the rare recipes
@LazloArcadia
3 ай бұрын
I think one of the biggest things that hurts my enjoyment of WoW comes down to the way that with each expansion all the work that you have put into anything previously (crafting, gear, etc) are completely worthless as soon as the next Expansion drops.
@Sinturions
3 ай бұрын
So around the 7 minute mark, talking about preventing a small number of crafters from getting ahead, that feels liek a bad thing over all, I mean if someone wants to put in the dedication, they shoudl reap the rewards of it. While others are focused on raiding, gearing, etc.....then comes t his one guy who just makes sure he has all the mats, has pushed his skills, he is now the on who, through his effort gets to be the prime crafter of the server. You act like that's a bad thing? But that's a player getting rewarded for his hard work
@VenomRaven
3 ай бұрын
I was eager that Blizz wanted to update and expand proffesions but I still think it is not in a good place. I don't know if it's just poor UI or poor design concept but it just seems like there is too much knowledge the player must have learnt out of the game to simply understand the basics.
@jangoman6597
3 ай бұрын
Should be okay, issue I see is the ranks of materials isn't really a problem they needed to "fix" the issue is certain professions materials are significantly more difficult to get and others alot easier ie Alloys being super expensive only Leather working altered hides giving them a run for their money. Also specialized crafting tables like the alter of decay are a terrible concept if your going to do something like that don't tie it to a dungeon give us a quest instead that let's us add modifications to tables like a toxic vat attached to the lw and alch table, shadow flame anvil doesn't have to be for ever but you refill it with materials to keep it going kind like the super expensive cauldron that you could use instead of going to bracken
@Steinkrieg64
3 ай бұрын
If someone wants to spend hours upon hours to level their profession, they should be able to, instead of being punished with a cap. I didn’t like dragonflight profession system, it wasn’t for me, but for people that spent the time to do it, why should they be capped for “fairness of the others”… we all prioritize our time somehow and if someone wants to use their game time to leave professions they should be able to. (Exploits will always happen and they should try to find a way to patch those out, but not at the cost of allowing someone to play the game in which they pay to play the way they want to)
@spaceowl9246
Ай бұрын
I just wish we went back to the old system.. This shit is so overwhelming, I just don't bother with professions anymore.
@Andriy_Veretin
3 ай бұрын
In the past, to become a good craftsman, you just had to craft more. And now you have to watch a 13-minute video to at least understand how to craft blue gear for 1-2 days. And to craft good things, you need to level up your profession much longer than you leveled up your character to the max level. Yes, it's very cool and easy. Playing 1 hour a day is exactly what you want to do
@strouss3888
2 ай бұрын
Professions mostly simple and straight forward. A few things they could streamline. But i love it.
@cw8
3 ай бұрын
The knowledge points system is asinine. Takes way too long and the whole system is convoluted even for returning players going in DF.
@rkramer5629
2 ай бұрын
We need an update or mod for the auction house so we can see all qualities when listing an item for sale! It’s so stupid seeing tier 1 items listed for significantly higher than tier 3 or 4 or even 5…
@FGK_Capone
Ай бұрын
Worst update ever to professions, go back to the systems that GhostCrawler had in place, its been shit since Ion took over.
Great. I wont be doing professions in TWW I guess... thanks blizz
@StaryBrudnyLis187
3 ай бұрын
They done fck this up, like all the other new things. Its all cool and sht but the game starts to play it self
@christophermartin7098
3 ай бұрын
You’re preaching to the choir, I have no idea of what you’re talking about.
@valerianwinterdrake7187
3 ай бұрын
I have never done a crafting order...like, wtf? Who asked for that crap!
@Metallikatzz
3 ай бұрын
Not sure if I missed it. But will there be a filter you can enable to not see Crafting orders with no mats. That is the worst part of DF Crafting. Lots of scammers have many items listed with 0 mats.
@Bullit151
3 ай бұрын
There is an addon called "no mats; no make" that hides them. Will also hide non-profitable ones if you have an auction addon.
@watchonjar
3 ай бұрын
they need to scrap specs or at least massively lower total knowledge catch ups is not good enough.
@sawekzlasowoliwskich9826
3 ай бұрын
Sadly no world about free spec reset possibility ( for example once per week )
@petrameyer1121
3 ай бұрын
We must have the option to set up an intra-Warband crafting order cross-server!!
@Dontknowme81
3 ай бұрын
I only make money gathering, can’t make money off anything else
@williamcolgin1987
3 ай бұрын
I’ve found blacksmithing and leather working extremely profitable for the entire expansion.
@ReikaLady
3 ай бұрын
I made a lot of gold with JC.
@vanhasydan4754
3 ай бұрын
Might actually make the equipment making professions long term useful. Right now, crafting armor or weapons is a waste of time with better gear readily obtainable through dungeons and raids. My main is a hunter with LW/Skinning and I'm seriously considering dumping LW for Enchanting
@asierra86
3 ай бұрын
I never completed a crafting order because I never learned how to and well, I just don't like interacting with people 😅
@skylarius3757
3 ай бұрын
I just made crafting orders for my other characters so that I could get the crafting order quest done.
@christopherdaffron8115
3 ай бұрын
Blizzard already added Ingenuity to the crafting skills and yet have still kept Inspiration. Inspiration will clearly not be used with TWW crafting but will it still be used for Dragonflight crafting? If so, then I can see why Blizzard has kept Inspiration as a crafting skill.
@STARSHIPTROOP
3 ай бұрын
You're kidding right? DF crafting had been the largest gold sink of any expansion so far. Even at max crafting points (half way through season 2)and with rank 3 mats you are NOT guaranteed max crafts even with boosting potions. The difference between R2 & R3 crafts on high end items could be in the THOUSANDS of gold per item & yet costs the same amount for the mats, so if no R3 you lose big. Also the biggest pet peeve is the crafting order system, people asking for crafts that can cost thousands and put in no mats & put in a stupid low commission. DF alchemy cost me over 1 million gold overall & no way to make it up unless I spent every waking moment farming for mats & not running keys/raid.
@Lauren88nl
3 ай бұрын
You do have to take the crafting orders with no mats and low pay. If you did those, that was your choice. I once whispers one of those people and it was a new player who had no idea of the costs and had little to no gold.
@STARSHIPTROOP
3 ай бұрын
@@Lauren88nl Early in the expansion there will be quests that have you fulfill crafting orders & peeps try to take advantage of a newbie just starting out
@williamcolgin1987
3 ай бұрын
Currently on the beta, public orders require all mats to be supplied by the client. Big win! Alchemy isn’t a great gold maker. Any mass supply profession in Wow has super thin margins and you only make gold from multi craft procs over large volume. Pick up blacksmithing or leather working. Tools sell well early on. Weapon crafts are great the entire expansion. Armor crafting is good but early on you need to research what are going to be the BIS items and spec into that craft.
@Intossicato
3 ай бұрын
Remove the ranks. That is the #1 reason there was rarely any public work orders. No one wants to place a public work order and get anything other than the max rank. IE: don't risk it.
@EclipseWarlord
3 ай бұрын
I haven't taken crafting seriously since Cata. Dragonflight brought new interest but I didn't have the extra time to really focus on any of it.
@George2001k
3 ай бұрын
The catchup points are awesome! Was afraid that I would lose them if I didn’t level my alts on week 1…
@UltimateGamerCC
3 ай бұрын
yes, this is my biggest gripe about crafting in DF, there was no catchup so if you had multiple crafter toons, somebody would need to be left behind in a lot of cases.
@sadoryutenryu664
3 ай бұрын
i hate it and hope that doesnt make it through the beta, its a MASSIVE step back imo. there should be NO weekly caps on ANYTHING ever, limiting progression in a game all about progression is the stupidest thing they can do.
@George2001k
3 ай бұрын
@@sadoryutenryu664 the problem with that way of thinking is that it benefits the few and not the many. The many aren’t going hard on one character thus want a catchup mechanic.
@sadoryutenryu664
3 ай бұрын
@@George2001k and the problem with that way of thinking is that it punishes the few for the sake of the many. if someone wants to go completely nuts on one character they should get rewarded for their time invesment. theres nothing stopping the many from doing the same thing, no in-game barrier preventing them from going nuts on one character even if its just for a week or two. but blizz is literally putting an in-game barrier in to prevent people from doing that, its blatant catering to one specific group and taking away the freedom of ALL players.
@UltimateGamerCC
3 ай бұрын
@@sadoryutenryu664 i totally disagree, this keeps the market fair to all, rather than IMMEDIATELY the richies buying enough mats to max their crafts asap and reaping the profits for WEEKS because they got millions of gold they can invest in it, i hate that neckbeard shit.
@gabrielraw7979
3 ай бұрын
Cap on this??!!! WTF!!! This is ridiculous!
@MetroidCannonBall
3 ай бұрын
Great video
@TheDphumphries
3 ай бұрын
Will you still be able to earn DF knowledge points in the DF zone if you didn't complete all your trees?
@Sticklemako
3 ай бұрын
Is this gonna retroactively affect dragonflight professions?
@williamcolgin1987
3 ай бұрын
It looks to be a separate system so far.
@MonkeyBabba
3 ай бұрын
guess this will be the 2nd expansion i don't do any crafting since starting to play in tbc as i cant make any sense of it and gave up in DF with professions, besides i really can not be bothered sitting in trade chat constantly hoping to get a sale like a lot of other players i know have in DF.
@bethanysolimine5428
3 ай бұрын
I don't know why they took a fun, relaxing thing to do between quests and runs and turned it into some min/max micro-managed system. It made me hate professions. I always maxed them. It took me so long to figure out how everything worked.
@MonkeyBabba
3 ай бұрын
@@bethanysolimine5428 same for me i always maxed all professions throughout every xpac but since DF i aint even maxed out my mains professions seems blizzard are catering for the elite few gold makers to make quick gold and saying S**w you to the average player who liked to make gold from making boe's in between doing other tings and putting them on ah and waiting for them to sell.
@braedenharris589
3 ай бұрын
I felt like I was super behind in crafting knowledge. Beginning of DF I was Ench/JC and have been wondering BC!! I dropped JC because dual crafting professional was insane. Wasn't until the end of season 3 that I maxed out both my trees. I feel like I did something wrong but I never missed a weekly and did enchants for my guild
@williamcolgin1987
3 ай бұрын
With enchanting you didn’t need to max out those trees. Just get the crest recipes and profit! Those dracothyst procs made so much gold! 😂
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