I once saw a fellow wearing a tee shirt that proclaimed: “You can ASK a stallion. You can TELL a gelding. But you have to DISCUSS it with a mare.’
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
Very true.
@fallbrkgrl
Жыл бұрын
Love that!
@jjintheflesh
Жыл бұрын
😂 I'm going to use this one.
@bernadettecartin
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, one of my riding friends years ago said she'd heard that saying. But the way she heard it was Tell a gelding. Ask a stallion. Discuss it with a mare. Was thinking of that throughout the video, and wondered how many people would know about it in the comments.
@Ciciye12
Жыл бұрын
That’s great saying!
@comesahorseman
Жыл бұрын
If you can convince a fussy mare that you have something to offer, you have a hard working friend. Give them the time that they need.
@stagnetto1
7 ай бұрын
My guess is she's a blue roan because red roans have a chestnust mane and tail and not black like hers-
@StuckInNy
2 ай бұрын
I'm still working through all your videos. Im truly enjoying them. Reminds me of a saying, "On a good day, a gelding will give you 100%, on a good day, a mare will give you 110%
@timandersonhorsetraining
2 ай бұрын
I agress except my version is, "on a good day a gelding will give you 90%"
@kellywalker3299
Жыл бұрын
I love watching you ! I train and teach dressage / eventing. You teach what I teach. It’s kinda rare actually very rare in dressage /eventing. Love watching someone else who’s trained lots of different horses as well and more. Thank you for what you do !
@thespiritualcounselor-beli8785
11 ай бұрын
Stretching her head down was due to the change of lighting where the arena ends and cast shadows. Notice she does it at the same point nearly every time. Horses have poor depth perception and will often need to get a close perspective on changes of terrain or shadowing to know what they are wtepping on. Same reason they will paw at water or terrain changea. If he would have actually let her put her head down there a couple of times she would have stopped doing it. Her leg was cocked while fussing with the bit at the same time because he had just pulled her around and was about to step across but he stopped her. Thusscausing her to rest her foot like that. Some good stuff here, but also some things that are not quite as he said. As for geldings vs mares i will agree that people seem to prefer geldings over mares. In my experience, geldings seem to have more try bc they are pleasers. Both just come back to them understanding what you are asking and confusion. A gelding will give more try when they dont understand, where as a mare you have a discussion when they dont understand. There are pros and cons of both. In her trot I would say her right stifle is locking. Could change as she muscles up, though I have seen horses where it muscles but they just have a chronicly week stifle and it never goes away.
@gaylemanion6869
9 ай бұрын
Horses also put their head down to strech their back muscles.
@muleskinner4495
Жыл бұрын
Tim, have you ever been bucked off? I experienced it tonight and it hurt my ego more than my body😬. I should have rode it out but got dumped 🤦🏻. I’ve enjoyed your videos, thanks for sharing!!
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
Oh, yes. I came off one just a couple weeks ago. If you ride it's going to happen.
@zenkohlrabi782
Ай бұрын
Seems pretty smart. Can't wait to see how she handles cow work.
@MyPNWHomestead-dx2ec
Жыл бұрын
Kate is such a pretty mare. I think she wants a leader she can trust and has found that in you, Tim. I like her attitude and am looking forward to watching this pretty girl's progress.
@motionwellness
Жыл бұрын
I can totally relate to this mare. I am training a 4 yo mare that has been doing the same things. My girl (teenager) was a pampered girl that got away with many things, but not with me. If I didn't know any better, I would say that's my horse! I have been doing many of the same things as you, which has made a big difference in my mare's respecting and listening to me. When you are done training Kate, she will be one awesome horse! Thanks for harping on her to collect. I could see the changes in her by the end of the video.
@fallbrkgrl
Жыл бұрын
I have heard lots of folks talk about their preferences, mares, or geldings, but not why. You have just filled in a gap in my knowledge with you explanation of how it's a mental difference. As always, I've earned something new from your videos. This was definitely a very interesting, and informative video for someone like me, who is learning about horse behaviors, training, and how to approach different situations. Thanks Tim ❤️🌵☀️⛈️🌈☮️🐎
@iwginc2877
Жыл бұрын
Hormone cycles were not discussed. That is 99% of the challenge of training a mare or even showing. Thats where the GNRH comes in
@donnac.1609
Жыл бұрын
Temperament can be an issue, that is for sure. I was once told by a QH breeder that a spayed mare has more strength and heart than a gelding. Breeding here also comes into play. Your training approach will work here! Being aware and reading her so well is key. Watching her grow up is gonna be fun!
@NotKev2017
11 ай бұрын
She looks like a bay roan to me. That red tinge on her face and in her mane and tail.
@terrifrye2803
Жыл бұрын
Another really good lesson on a few points. She has a nice conformation, just needs to build her strength. Her trot was a little wavy from behind. Mentally, I love her attitude. It’s not difficult to convince her, that your way is the best route in the end. I believe she’ll do very well in the future. I appreciate your help and style in educating us. ❤️
@pattirockgarden4423
Жыл бұрын
Loved the last part about using the hind. Always learn something, thank you!
@bobkohl6779
2 ай бұрын
Mare man here. You covered why!
@rebeccahassman2220
9 ай бұрын
The difference in the quality of her walk from the beginning to the end is phenomenal.
@pgree6176
Жыл бұрын
Love your calm manner and voice. So relaxing and informative
@user-kq1xr4bh8j
5 ай бұрын
Watching you is a Master course in horsemanship
@juliehmidmo
Жыл бұрын
Some interesting things in this video for me. A few things I have never heard before regarding behaviors. I have had both mares and geldings over the years , never had a preference as all were very easy to train . If I had heard you talk about the " teenage rebellion" at 4 years of age I would have been likely to blow it off --except I have been going through that with my 4 year old --a first in my life with horses. Can really make you appreciate the easy ones.
@rodneyhaanpaa81
Жыл бұрын
Love your comment about mares. I have an Arabian mare that I wouldn't sell for any amount of money. She gives me everything every time. Have geldings that on their best days will give 85%.
@jjintheflesh
Жыл бұрын
Whatever color she is, she's pretty. 🥰 Great teaching! Thank u.
@caobita
Жыл бұрын
When she's trotting, she makes really short steps with her hinds. Seems like she hasn't been trained on that yet. Beautiful mare with much potential to be a great horse if trained well
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
That is one of her positive attributes.
@GreyfyreShelties
9 ай бұрын
What a gorgeous mare, so very drool worthy.....I see Blue roan that's sun bleached. With dogs sniffing the ground it's mentally trying to escape, trying to mentally check out. More like I'm going to ignore you and direct my mind to this ground instead of you...I suspect that was what this mare was doing. She tried it twice and realized you weren't falling for her inattention....Absolutely love watching you work horses...
@elisehittinger5358
Жыл бұрын
This is so good!!! I have 3 mares. I stop way too early!!!! Thank you.
@iwanttovote6053
11 ай бұрын
I've had a gelding for a year now...13-15 yo...but he loves to play in the field and for a long time now I've said he's a rebellious teen/pre-teen. Only this summer did I begin learning what you do and others in terms of reading him and working with him productively. It requires a huge shift in training/communicating for the human and that brings about huge improvement in the horse. Thank you!
@broda1824
5 ай бұрын
Learning a lot by watching your videos. It was refreshing to hear that you don’t always have to finish on a good note. There have been times when I’ve tried to do that and made the situation worse and then I’ve felt frustrated that I didn’t get the result I hoped for. Thank you
@deannalemburg10
Жыл бұрын
Why was Kate sent for training? To advance into a specific discipline? or was she developing a vice that needed attention ? So happy the person was smart enough to send her to a master class. Thank you 😊
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
That's a good question. She was sent because she was starting to push the owner around and get her was and the owner was getting into battles she wasn't winning. Basically if you saw in the beginning if the ground work when Kate was showing the learned actions I was talking about to get her way. I knew how to correctly read her actions which went a very long way in correcting the problem. I made another video of her today working cows, she has progressed a long way really quickly just from correctly reading her behavior.
@rhondab9792
7 ай бұрын
Tell a gelding, ask a stallion, beg a mare. And if it's a pony, pray to God Almighty.
@angeledmonds300
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment about dropping the head during lunging. I’ve always looked at it as a back stretch and never really thought about it being a dominant thing. I’ve always preferred geldings and I have a mare now that does this a lot.
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
It's not always one or the other. You have to look at the horse's whole body to read the intent.
@C-Rocks
Жыл бұрын
That whip sounds really frightening I think i need one like that
@HeavensGateHorsemanship
Жыл бұрын
My project horse is an Arabian mare that didnt get started till just recently...she 7!🤦♀️ She is the definition of rebellious teenager stage 😂
@cjpatterson4711
Жыл бұрын
Really god demo of a training session. You showed us lots of "rebellious teenage" quirks.
@katiedotson704
10 ай бұрын
It isn't just Quarter Horses that go through this at around age 4. You may have known this mare since birth and found it to be a very amicable, cooperative horse. Then she hits 4 and you find you have 1000lb 13yr old kid on your hands. "I don't want to and you can't make me." As to color, on my screen she looks more grulla. She is still a very striking girl.
@user-om2mk5db8w
8 ай бұрын
I commented on the back end of the horse, but deleted it, because I don’t really know enough about horses, but you could see it
@Lynn-uz2ms
7 ай бұрын
Enjoyed the video, I'm an old rider and still learning, never too old , lol. Lynne in Missouri, thanks 😊
@meaganlawler7536
Жыл бұрын
Superficial compliance is a thing😊 Have to apply a little pressure to see what is beneath Well explained
@cherylharless281
8 ай бұрын
"Tell a Stallion, Ask a mare, Show a Gelding."
@DebraConner-y9x
7 ай бұрын
I say pretty is as pretty does.
@shellysonnen5698
Жыл бұрын
I think that's a bay roan
@lynnecarter7628
4 ай бұрын
I call her a dun roan or red roan
@johnstath9666
9 ай бұрын
Such an interesting series. If I understand this right, to gain their trust you try to convince them that what you ask is both safe and secure. Once they understand that then they are more likely to comply with your requests.
@timandersonhorsetraining
9 ай бұрын
Exactly. Would you trust a leader at work that was putting you in danger?
@LarryLambdin-b2e
2 ай бұрын
Again a great video. Thanks
@Ciciye12
Жыл бұрын
You can see it in neck and head the resistance, very much to learn .
@kevinferguson3196
11 ай бұрын
Also, could she be lowering her head because she smells where other horses have gone to the restroom?
@andreaknibbs9328
Жыл бұрын
Amazing how you can feel what she’s doing and when you explain what we see on vid I can see it too - I know nothing about horses but I can see what you’re talking about 👍thank you
@michellegordon4211
11 ай бұрын
Gosh, I love watching these.
@iwginc2877
Жыл бұрын
The Vet, dentist and Chiropractor would be the first eval if I took a horse to train. It gives the extra edge of letting the horse succeed
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
A trainer's responsibility is to guide a horse's training from beginnig to end so that each individual horse reaches their full potential. That growth requires the trainer to make daily decisions like a map taking the horse from one place to the desired goal. Not only when the horse first gets there but every day you have to decide if the thing the horse is doing that you don't want is training or pain related. If you are not capable of knowing that answer yourself, then you would have no business taking a horse for training.
@iwginc2877
Жыл бұрын
All I'm saying is when you get a horse look in its mouth just like all people did when they had to use a horse as a tool. "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" adage comes form that basic premise. Horses that come form hobbiest or untrained horse people usually don't know what floating teeth is much less what effect it has on the way a horse will react to a bit. Your a great trainer. Teaching the customers ABCs can save them money and dissapointment. Yes you have a plan for the horse. What is the Plan to prepare the owner to keep their horse at the level you trained it to.@@timandersonhorsetraining
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
I've covered all that in other videos.
@iwginc2877
Жыл бұрын
Still watching them all@@timandersonhorsetraining
@SarahWilsonMySmartPuppy
Жыл бұрын
Agree 100% that animals, in human/animal interactions, do what they have learned is effective. So, I see all her head lowering etc, as being misinformed rather than lying. She's pragmatic - it's worked before. She's a great example of how people get attached to external behaviors rather than how the animal is thinking.l She got release for acting submissive but not being submissive. Smart animal. Beat she comes along fast with some clarity.
@DebraConner-cx5mj
7 ай бұрын
I would call her color as red roan. I had a gelding the same color and he was a red roan. Beautiful any way.
@NNLBC
Жыл бұрын
very helpful, thank you :)
@danlindeke2561
10 ай бұрын
When used to riding good horse, hard to put up with young horses. You have the patience needed to train them.
@alisonjetmar7437
11 ай бұрын
She seems like she is gimping on that back outside leg.
@timandersonhorsetraining
11 ай бұрын
You need to watch my video or read my blog about causes for asymmetrical movement.
@michellegarry1872
4 ай бұрын
I was a big fan of loud colored Paints. I bought a tri-colored overo mare with blue eyes lined with black, like eyeliner. She was drop-dead gorgeous even when she was trying to kill me. Very food aggressive and bad on trails. Well, guess where she went? To the Amish. The joke was on her. I got the last laugh. I couldn’t afford a professional trainer so she went buh byes.
@PONYHEAVEN
Жыл бұрын
Truely fascinating.
@Jean-kp6cu
Ай бұрын
Yes! I saw that same program!
@MeliGreen-f3t
3 ай бұрын
Every gelding i have owned has been fantastic never a problem but mares i have owned totally opposite
@lakeshadow100
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining everything. that gold!
@joannsmith9
Жыл бұрын
It was very obvious that she wasn’t using her back end right. I hope she doesn’t have physical issues that make it painful for her. Also, when she lowered her head when she was standing next to you quietly, it looked like she just wanted to lower her head because she was getting relaxed with you. Are you sure she didn’t need rewArding for that instead of punishment?
@allriasvylen8257
10 ай бұрын
Mares lower their head to get close when they press on physical boundaries, physical space is very important with horses, he has his own bubble in which he is comfortable her being in. Her reward (and it’s very different from humans concept of relief) is backing up and being out, out of that zone of pressure. Reward for effort, respect in rules
@lynnegeddes7532
6 ай бұрын
Strawberry roan, just like my Freckles
@gwenhafford4112
Жыл бұрын
Love watching your videos. They are all so interesting and informative. I have a suggestion about the videos: the text that appears on screen when you are adding a comment to a certain section is very difficult to see. Would you please try using dark text? Thanks for the consideration.
@melodienaber3238
Жыл бұрын
I feel her color is between blue and red roan. She's gorgeous ❤ and a brat
@Angelia117
8 ай бұрын
More 🤔. Wise horseman said that WE have to adjust to fit the current situation. This requires an open heart & mind b/c horses do change from moment to moment 😁.
@Ciciye12
Жыл бұрын
You can see she isn’t using back end much.
@glendayount455
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Great explanation of mares!!
@bonnieanderson1029
10 ай бұрын
BEAUTIFUL 😊
@jackiejenkins947
7 ай бұрын
I'm seeing some strange movement in her left hip!?!
@ltningstrike
Жыл бұрын
I really like this mare. Like women, you have to convince a mare, your idea is better than hers. 😂
@lindaj5492
9 ай бұрын
Or … you need to convince her that it was her idea all along! 😂
@ltningstrike
9 ай бұрын
@@lindaj5492 🤣🤣 yes!
@Angelia117
8 ай бұрын
Any chance previous riders hands hurt her bars, tongue, teeth, roof of mouth with a single joint mouthpiece ?? Thanks
@timandersonhorsetraining
8 ай бұрын
The answer to that is irrelevant because that would not change anything.
@Ciciye12
Жыл бұрын
I learn lots from you!
@kimberleysanchez6258
8 ай бұрын
She is pretty. Is her right front off? She seemed to move it a little odd?
@rivert3dove254
Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir you renforced sone thing I waa taught a long time ago I am 70 yrs old lol still riding and i have enjoyed mares more, but they are a changle
@bronwynmines7864
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video Have been through this with my mare … we are still in discussions 😂 I can see here what I AM doing wrong ~ so thank you 🙏
@jacquerobinette6758
9 ай бұрын
My horse is in the arena of lead. I am sitting on the rail the horse has a quiet temperament is being friendly but in my space more than I like. He will occasionally turn his bum to me and just stand there. His ears are not pinned and he is relaxed. He also does this to the steers when they are tie up on the other side of the rail. I drive him away and he goes quietly but I'm not sure what to think?
@user-om2mk5db8w
8 ай бұрын
She looks unhappy and can not figured you out yet
@diannahoda2589
Жыл бұрын
Great video!!
@jeannem6723
Жыл бұрын
I would call that gruella.
@lianerogers2665
Жыл бұрын
Bay roan
@janasharooni5203
Жыл бұрын
thanks, I really like this explanation. Helps alot. This horse is nice, except it seems thin to me.
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
She has a body condition score of 5. That's perfect for training. People like to see horse carry more weight like a 6 or 7 but that actually causes more serious problems than a score of 4.
@virginiathompson6330
2 ай бұрын
Q@@timandersonhorsetraining
@jeniferrinehart1107
Жыл бұрын
Def red road. Can’t quite tell if she is bay in the points or just darker red. Amazing you can see/feel all this on horseback. I can see it when you say it, but sure don’t think I would catch all that if I were riding!
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
Can't be a red roan with black points. Roan with black points has to be blue roan or bay roan.
@bernadettecartin
Жыл бұрын
@@timandersonhorsetrainingThen I'd go with bay roan.
@lindaj5492
9 ай бұрын
Been binge watching: notice you become increasingly breathless over the last couple of years. Please have your heart health & maybe cholesterol checked 🙏
@timandersonhorsetraining
9 ай бұрын
I know what it is.
@payntpot7623
Жыл бұрын
Just one look at her frame and you can see that for a horse in work, she has a weak hind end. I have always thought a horse lowering its head was a sign of it either stretching the muscles along the spine, or relaxing after the workout (lunge). Considering some people advocate encouraging a horse to drop its head to relax and chill out; how do you go about distinguishing a horse you get in? If you are treating them as if they are trying to move or dominate you, yet they have been trained or encouraged to drop their head; how confused do they get? Do you have a list of these potential conflicts you ask the owners about in advance of getting a horse in? I wholeheartedly concur re the walking out to the horse, not visa versa.
@darkwinter6028
Жыл бұрын
Well, at least she didn’t come home with a spiked neon blue mane and tattoo on her rear…
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
This attitude she is giving me is part of what gives her the grit she needs to be successful in her career. Died hair and a tattoo shows confidence, I'd be proud.
@dustybailey7980
Жыл бұрын
If Kate was a human.....she would for sure have crazy hair and tattoos.@@timandersonhorsetraining
@Ciciye12
Жыл бұрын
Health loved animals appear to have to learn to pay attention during teen years especially cause there not babies anymore and can really hurt you if they are playing.
@FoxyBriar
Жыл бұрын
She is a BABY! She doesn't have the strength or understanding or coordination to be pushed like this or called "rebellious" Her growth plates have only now closed if she is 4. Give her time to grow up, and get some confidence .
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
4 is not a baby, you should move on.
@FoxyBriar
Жыл бұрын
Four IS a baby, and you should develop a more considerate attitude towards horses. Its never the horse's fault. @@timandersonhorsetraining
@christineirvine8694
Жыл бұрын
I have her twin 😂
@bethewalt7385
10 ай бұрын
That's a rose roan
@ItsBlissfulAcres
Жыл бұрын
great video
@kevinferguson3196
11 ай бұрын
So, are you saying that my horses that walk up to me when I go through the paddock gate to catch them to go for a ride or just to visit, they shouldn't do that? I have one horse that will almost put his halter on for me, lol
@cmuir6757
Жыл бұрын
I am wondering what the roaring sound is in the background? Is it the camera malfunctioning or a tractor or a noisy fan? It spoils the otherwise excellent commentary.
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
It's an exhaust fan that circulates air in the barn. I usually turn it off when I video but it's too hot. I don't video in a studio like many do, we are a working training facility. Sorry it spoiled the quality of the video for you.
@horseloverzb74
11 ай бұрын
She's a chocolate roan 😁
@Ciciye12
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting!
@peterneilsen6249
Жыл бұрын
Morning guys, nice horse. Ty Tim
@emilylewis7642
Жыл бұрын
Do you think the weakness in her hind end is due to training errors or conformation flaws? If it is due to conformation flaws, how will that impact your training? How can she be a cowhorse if she can't sit down on her hocks?
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
In her case she just needs to be taught to use her back end better, just like a person who slouches need to be taught to sit up straight.
@sharorganic5841
6 ай бұрын
Is she off on her back right?
@timandersonhorsetraining
6 ай бұрын
No
@greyhorses5223
Жыл бұрын
It looks like she is struggling with your weight, especially in the rear legs. Her pasterns look like they are collapsing down too far. Tim- What do you think?
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
Not even close.
@greyhorses5223
Жыл бұрын
Please explain. I honestly want your opinion.@@timandersonhorsetraining
@greyhorses5223
Жыл бұрын
I should add, I admire your training technique. Consistent, kind and smart, you are.@@timandersonhorsetraining
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
@@greyhorses5223there is nothingto explain, riding her she feels like if she wanted to she could jump out from under me. Whatever you are seeing, you are misinterpreting.
@traceybumpus1007
Жыл бұрын
Picture of my mare even the head on ground took a lot of time on ground work building stifles going over poles after a year whole different horse.
@irinab9470
Жыл бұрын
Is there a link to your blog please?
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
HelpWithMyHorse.com
@debbieboston2377
Жыл бұрын
please can I ask about the head down because I have amare that does that and i was told by professional has horsemanship people that she was hiding. i was also told it was a good thing as she is stretching and using her back? I'd be interested to hear your views
@timandersonhorsetraining
Жыл бұрын
A horse can put their head down for all those reasons, you have to look at the whole picture to determine your situation. If you watch the video I did after this one working cows you will see what I'm talking about with Kate.
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