Heavy is the hand that applied that thermal paste.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
Very heavy.
@matt.604
11 ай бұрын
It's quite a generous dollop.
@magnawavezone
11 ай бұрын
The fact it didn’t all squeeze out implies there is a pretty big gap in there. Although at these power levels, maybe that still works out fine enough.
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
Hi Jeff,you are totally right!We are trying to develop a fanless model
@JeffGeerling
11 ай бұрын
@@gowinfanless That would be amazing! Would make the perfect little router or small VM box!
@davidg5898
11 ай бұрын
I don't like the noncompliant 12V-only USB-C power supply. It's all too easy to get it mixed up with other USB-C chargers and fry a phone/tablet/laptop. I'd rather have a barrel jack if they're not willing to put the proper USB-C power delivery circuitry on their board.
@Toothily
11 ай бұрын
Totally agree. Not the only SBC I've seen do it either. By itself it's enough to discourage me considering purchase.
@marikann9073
11 ай бұрын
if I'd acutally would consider buying it (not enough RAM for my taste) I'd go ahead and fabrecobble a permanent barrel jack into the case and snip the 12V USB-C plug from the powersupply.
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
I want to inform you that we are designing the new model with a barrel jack which is more stable for all!!
@Kushari
11 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t the phone negotiate the correct voltage?
@Toothily
11 ай бұрын
@@Kushari They come with power adapters without USB-PD, meaning they don’t negotiate, they just send 12V to anything only designed for 5V.
@collectorguy3919
11 ай бұрын
I'd really like to see open source firmware on a device like this. Fake USB-C PD input is a bad idea, and ignoring standards is a sign of poor quality. A barrel jack is superior anyway. To their credit, GOWIN takes feedback seriously and iterates quickly.
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
We are designing the new models with barrel jack and we will keep it posted on Reddit
@floodo1
11 ай бұрын
Interesting because I personally would prefer usb-pd input (-8
@SomeMorganSomewhere
11 ай бұрын
@@floodo1 considering you can get integrated USB PD negotiation solutions for a few 10's of cents these days...
@francescoatria1086
11 ай бұрын
@@gowinfanlesswould you consider making a model with a 10gbE rj 45 instead of the 4 2.5gb port? (or even 1 sfp+ and one rj45 if it's possible) I'm asking because where I live 10gb fiber is arriving but you have to use the isp modem in between the fiber connection and your router so you can only use rj45 or a converter but those generate a lot of heat so I would like to avoid them if possible
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
In fact,we have made one,but that was a project with ISP suppliers,we only can sell to them with a signed contract @@francescoatria1086
@SlyInH3ll
11 ай бұрын
Small fans = noise, and they don't look like the standard ones you can easily find replacements down the road... Small ones do fail faster... I prefer a bigger fanless case or a bigger case with a 120mm fan for an almost silent system, for my home use. Everything else sounds awesome.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
Great points.
@cl4998
11 ай бұрын
I'd rather have an even larger, and/more efficient case that's fanless for applications devices like this would be used for.
@michaelcarson8375
11 ай бұрын
Yeah that alone besides the lack of thunderbolt is a no buy. Might as well buy an itx server board.
@reformCopyright
11 ай бұрын
That unit is gonna be able to handle a whole lot of keyboard hammering over that 10 Gbps connection.
@I4getTings
11 ай бұрын
Hi Patrick! That is very cool :-) I do have a concern though. Is that power supply an actual 12v DC through a usb-c plug, or is it PD and it is 15v PD? If it is actually a 12v power brick that just happens to have a usb-c plug on the end I don't want to let that into my house. I don't trust future-me to not fry some other delicate gadget with it.
@guy_autordie
11 ай бұрын
Same. It should be limited within the standard.
@DBTechYT
11 ай бұрын
I've got the previous generation of this and it's awesome. I can't imagine poking around with this one!!
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
Very much!
@constantinosschinas4503
11 ай бұрын
How do you use it? Why having 3x 2.5GBe and 2x 25Gbe is even a thing?
@Ozz465
11 ай бұрын
NGL the enthusiasm at the begining hooked me .
@Anaerin
11 ай бұрын
A small note, While an Intel network card is a good thing, their WiFi cards are decidedly not - The cards are locked down and do not support running in AP mode, meaning that nodes like this can't be used for a complete Router/AP solution, or even as a mesh node. And while WiFi 6 is not supported in pfSense/OPNSense (thanks to a lack of support in FreeBSD), it is in OpenWRT, though 6e AP support is only with some specific and hard to get Marvell cards I believe.
@mrmotofy
11 ай бұрын
Sure...but one can just connect AP's and likely get a better experience anyway
@dyhidrogenmonoxide
8 ай бұрын
Good to know, I would definitely want to use it as an AP, without that it’s a no go.
@trumanbeal5668
11 ай бұрын
I hope that they release this as 2x25gb ports- that's pretty awesome!
@MikeButash
11 ай бұрын
Well that's what it is, two physical 25gbe ports on a mellanox x4-lx ocp nic. It just can't seem to push raw packets effectively. I'd be curious to see how it does running in dpdk with cisco trex...
@trumanbeal5668
11 ай бұрын
Absolutely true, but I'd really like to see more devices released with that connection to drop the pricing, and maybe normalize it in the process (similar to gig-e connections, or even ethernet connections on motherboards at all).. I'd love for them to release a different version that maybe gives up a nvme slot so that it can push the bandwidth.. That would be killer
@sergarrick
11 ай бұрын
Very good point about the memory vs CPU needs. I was definitely guilty thinking I needed processing power for my first homelab.
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
It's worth to try the R86S-N series,we start from N100
@martinjungmusic
10 ай бұрын
Same here, having a Core i5-12600K sitting at ~3% now while running TrueNAS and video surveillance on Proxmox. At least I have 64 GB memory though.
@chromerims
6 ай бұрын
Great vid thx 👍 R86S Pro totally cool . . . N305, 32GB, more USBs, 3x 2.5 GbE, 2x 25 GbE . . . sheesh goodness
@kwinsch7423
11 ай бұрын
Make that passive cooled in a size of the choice of the designer and I am in. Frankly, for a home server the size does not matter much, noise does.
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
Great!!That's the model we are trying to develop,fanless model and 1U rack mount model!
@bastian433
11 ай бұрын
The fans can be a pain, because they are custom. The Beelink SER6 Pro already starts to have a slight rattle 😞 slightly larger with a standard fan or some fan you will be able to buy would be nice
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
We are sure to develop a fanless model, it's under design, no fa no noisy!
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
That's reasonable and helpful!
@-Good4Y0u
11 ай бұрын
It's cool to see specs like these coming down in price
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
That's our target too!
@blahblahblahblah2933
11 ай бұрын
Definitely like to see more ram available on these systems. It will really opens them up for virtualization tasks. The increased bandwidth ethernet is great especially for using network storage for VMs. I don't know what form factor these mfr's are going for, it seems like 1L sized wouldn't make these any less desirable and offer the benefit of decent cooling.
@Zeric1
11 ай бұрын
Yep, many of these ultra small systems are sacrificing too much to get the size down. Here is my wish list: 1L size or smaller N100/N305 (or for more performance and I/O, a laptop cpu like a i5-1235U) DDR5 Memory slot Two 2.5Gbe NICs At least One SPF+ port, preferably two Two M.2 slots, one for NVMe, and one for either Wifi or NVMe (may need an adapter) Two USB 3.2 Gen2 Two USB 2.0 Standard 12v barrel power jack Standard sized fan (horizontal mount) with adjustable speed Excellent thermal design that also provides airflow to memory and M.2 slots Easily accessible memory, fan, M.2 slots. BIOS with plenty of configurability With the limited number of PCIe lanes, there may be trade offs between the NVMe and SPF+. Seems there would be demand for this from home labbers, and it shouldn't be unreasonably expensive.
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
We will made the 19inch 1U rack mount version too,with more of the ethernet and M.2 slot, specially designed for the virtualization tasks and NAS!
@LtdJorge
11 ай бұрын
@@gowinfanlessThat’s great. Ceph on 25Gbps sounds awesome, but you’d need more than one drive to take benefit.
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
That depends on the platform and CPU choice.That would be more options if we choose new Raptor Lake series.YES< we have started the gen 13th!
@MikrySoft
11 ай бұрын
@@Zeric1 Something like that to work as a router for a 5Gbps connection I could get at home would be sweet. Potentially trading the WiFi adapter for a SATA controller, all together in something like Jonsbo N3.
@lordbacon4972
11 ай бұрын
You explain very well what it is, but for people who are new, can you explain what uses/applications it is intended for? For example, is this just a really small form factor computer that can run Windows and be used like a regular pc for gaming, etc.? Or is it a specialized computer, only meant for specific use cases (i.e. not for avg regular users) ... ?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
More like a small and lower power virtualization server and firewall/ router. But it should work with Windows as well.
@lordbacon4972
11 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Okay, "virtualization server".. what does this even mean? lol.. I guess i'm not the target demographic for this product.. that's my point/question. I'm just an average computer user, but i'm curious to know whether I should be interested in this or not, but it does not seem to be the case.
@magnawavezone
11 ай бұрын
@@lordbacon4972technically nothing prevents you from using these in desktop environments. But of course they are largely aimed at enthusiasts / homelabbers with more experience since they don’t come with much in the form of documentation or support. Especially since buying off AliExpress is also a risk that sometimes requires adjustments when you get something slightly different than what you ordered as sometimes happens.
@gigabit9823
11 ай бұрын
@@lordbacon4972Yes.. definitely not for you or you wouldn’t be asking.
@michaelthornes
11 ай бұрын
@@lordbacon4972 a virtualization server is a server for running virtual machines of various operating systems for various reasons lol. some examples for this stuff are: iot, cybersecurity/pentesting, running game servers, OS testing, software development/testing/hosting, powerful virtual desktops to use off-site in lightweight laptops like chromebooks, literally anything you want to run that uses Docker, NAS, networking & security practice, and "automation and scripting" (all from chatgpt) it's also useful, as he mentioned, for use as a firewall, or a router with network-level adblock or a vpn, particularly for a busy network (since it has 10-25GbE SFP+ ports as well as 2.5GbE RJ45 ports). if you're running a small handful of machines on your home network and don't need more than a gigabit of bandwidth, you can definitely find cheaper alternatives in the mini pc space, perhaps some on this channel. but if you have hundreds of iot devices and have crazy 8gig internet (google fiber has this in some places) and want to run a lot of network-heavy stuff at home, this may be for you. so, the general answer is that these are good for lots of home lab applications, and this one is especially good for things that require both high bandwidth and good performance (you can also find things that pick one of those two and focus more on it, like a high-performance server with only gigabit ethernet. itall depends on your use case)
@guy_autordie
11 ай бұрын
This, in a 1U, with an amd CPU, 2 m.2 nvme, and many m.2 SATA (in soho use, except video editor, who needs multigigabyte per sec on each drive?) There is many holdings' offices that doesn't need more than 1 pool of SATA3 speed drives.
@thinkr8142
11 ай бұрын
Nice, but since I once saw a Ryzen 7 5800U in a small form factor on Aliexpress, I needed to have one for my home lab. For almost no money I got a 64GB RAM; 1TB SSD; 8 cores (16 threads) , 15W TPD, 4.4GHz Turbo (3.4GHz all core turbo) monster of a home server. It destroys the N305 in almost all benchmarks and is almost the same price as a N305 with the same features.
@shanebauman6555
11 ай бұрын
Good point on the poe to barrel jack splitter. I would prefer usbc for a power port and one of the ethernet ports to support poe in as an alternative port source
@MatthewHill
11 ай бұрын
"I hope you guys are as excited as I am." Patrick, no offense, but I don't think it's POSSIBLE for anyone to be as excited as you are!!
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
You have not seen our dog Ollie when he smells either peanut butter or bacon.
@10Sambo01
11 ай бұрын
You have great reviews Patrick; thorough and concise! I would like to see more formalised throughput testing / benchmarking however, especially with advanced features like IPS with the likes of OPNSense at high throughputs which is quite CPU intensive. The reason being that It's really hard to tell if some of these little boxes can handle the load when really pushed.
@mrmotofy
11 ай бұрын
Sure...but that all takes a lot of time. He gets a lot of products and only has 24hrs in a day...sometimes ya just gotta cut it off somewhere.
@MikeButash
11 ай бұрын
About 4 years ago an isp customer of mine had problems with a customer that needed to test a 10gbe connection, so I built a couple of small shuttle boxes to pop a couple intel x710 nics into to travel and iperf test them at each end to help troubleshoot the matter, I really wish these were around then. You ought to run Cisco trex on it for nic testing, it's built to use mellanox x5 nics in dpdk at 100gbe in place of expensive sprient/ixia boxes.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
I think you need CX5 for lossless trex testing IIRC.
@MikeButash
11 ай бұрын
At 100G rates yes, and I can vouch for that having gotten an x5 to test with myself, but should have enough bus to loop 25gbe through the ports too removing ip stack the overhead with dpdk.
@briccimn
11 ай бұрын
WOOOOOOAAAAH!!! What a fantastic little thing! 😍😍😍
@fullsleevetats
8 ай бұрын
These look great, but the U4 model on AliExpress (the only model with the USB-C for input power) is listed as having 10GbE ports on the front, not 25GbE. In fact, _all_ of the models listed on AliExpress have 10GbE ports, none with 25GbE at all. Did you get a special model for review that is different from the available models?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
8 ай бұрын
This was mentioned in the video. It is a special version as we were testing this ahead of the 1U with 25GbE launch.
@Darkk6969
11 ай бұрын
This thing would make an awesome little pfsense firewall. Lucky they're redesigning the power input to make use of the barrel jack instead of the USB-C which is a good idea.
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
Yes, we are doing it,to make the barrel jack!Next version
@salat
11 ай бұрын
Love those universal systems - but absolutely agree on bigger chassis size and better/less noisy cooling. Quadruple the size and make space for more RAM, NVMEs, etc..
@jacj2490
11 ай бұрын
Thank you Patric & the entire STH team. As usual, just like what you called it 'the STH effect' Amazon link sold out
@RyouConcord
11 ай бұрын
HOLY SH***THAT'S SO COOL. But the non-compliant USB-C power supply is an absolute bummer. On the plus side, it is 12V.... but, Would rather have the barrel charger if you're going to do something silly like that. It's more compatible with other things. I was working on a low power server/router solution and this is incredible. The 25Gb SFP's are awesome, truly awesome. It's a huge sell because it can directly interface with production equipment
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
We have started the design with the barrel charger,and that will be used from the next production,wish you guys like that!
@jwjennison
11 ай бұрын
The massive amount of thermal compound indicates to me a poor fit between the heat sink and CPU, it's a design flaw. the cooler is mounted to the lid, not to the pcb of the motherboard. Cool device, but I would have concerns.. there's like 10 times more compound than should be there.
@wombatillo
11 ай бұрын
It's doused in thermal paste. It's absolutely too much. The i3-305n has a TDP of 15W so that sink is probably enough but like you said, it's not really ideal that the sink is attached on the lid and not the pcb itself. If something changes in the screw tower heights the sink could be clamped down at a pcb twisting force or it could barely touch the cpu package. Might work ok if their tolerances are good and Q&A is rigorous but in general a risky design choice.
@Dataanti
9 ай бұрын
i think i found my new travel router
@sstillwell
11 ай бұрын
This looks awesome...I could wish for 64 GB of RAM, but if the pricing's right I could just cluster more nodes and have fewer VMs per node. 10 GB to NFS for shared storage would make me happy.
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
Unless we use the next generation of CPU from Raptor lake,this i3-N305 can't support 64GB LPDDR5
@wallmachine8780
7 ай бұрын
@@gowinfanless 64gb and with barrel jack!
@QuynhNguyen-tx4xd
14 күн бұрын
@@gowinfanless Do you have any suggestion for SFP module suitable for R86S on XGS-PON infrastructure?
@denvera1g1
11 ай бұрын
7:11 I love that you've added more themal paste, after adding thermal paste, just to trigger people
@nicolaslanglais
11 ай бұрын
I don't understand what's the use case for these. Why would you need 3 2.5gbit ports + 2 25gbit ports? what kind of work are those for?
@atlasz911
11 ай бұрын
Why can't they put all the connectors on two opposite sides? It looks small but the cable nest around it...
@mwolrich
11 ай бұрын
Amazon shows the (2) SFP+ ports are 10GB, not 25GB. probably explains why you were getting 20GB of throughput 😉
@Gentoli
11 ай бұрын
looks like the 25GbE version is up for pre-order on taobao
@dono42
11 ай бұрын
The Intel N305 specs list a maximum memory of 16 GB. I have seen reports of 32 GB and even 48 GB though. With future BIOS/UEFI updates can I expect that this will continue to work? Is there any reason a 64 GB SO-DIMM would not work?
@bradenmcg
11 ай бұрын
I think the RAM is soldered here, no?
@JFHeroux
11 ай бұрын
I wish they had gone with a Ryzen processor. It would have had much more powerful graphics for the same price.
@inh415
11 ай бұрын
ECC, couple more NVME and a handfull of SATA connections for ZFS or ceph please.
@ericneo2
11 ай бұрын
The first company to start making these with a decent CPU 5800u or up, ECC memory and 2-3 NVME are going to make a boat load of money.
@inh415
11 ай бұрын
@@ericneo2 yes. Though I would like to see 2x pcie slots too, one for 100gb networking and another for a HBA or equivalent on-board for low powered ceph
@ericneo2
11 ай бұрын
@@inh415 A few people get a Jonsbo N2/N3 and a mini-pc with a U series processor. They then remove the WiFi/M.2 for a break out pcb to SATA or SAS. Making it low heat, low power, great for SMB and hub offices.
@SP_99999
11 ай бұрын
I’ve one with 10gbit and n305 since some week, it’s a good device, I use it with bare metal opnsense install. It is good, just some things to be noted: 1) fan can become loud, due to the size they need to run relatively quick and on that size it make noise 2) there is a strange pattern in terms of of temperature across the cores, on first 4 and second 4 there is ~10 degrees celsius difference, seems a little odd, but looking at thermal paste seen on video I start suspecting that this can be due non proper contact between cpu and heat sink 3) fan in the lower deck blow air on network card chip but doesn’t seems to cool down sfp+ cage so not very confident use 10gbit copper sfp due to the temp they generate. As said previously it would be much better in those kind of review to see also behaviour with sfp module, if someone don’t need 10gbit/s there is a less expensive version without sfp+ port.
@chronometer9931
9 ай бұрын
I also noticed the thermal paste job in the video, it looks really bad. I'd re-paste it properly and I bet if you do it's going to run cooler with more consistent Temps per core. I would never buy this product due to the fan and poor contact cooling as you mentioned with the sfp+, but other than that it looks pretty nice
@2008mjb
11 ай бұрын
I would love to see these small units put in standard format fans. For example a 60 or 80 mm fan that can be replaced. Not only can it cool better at lower RPM, it has much more cooling headroom. I have a mini pc that I stopped using as a firewall as the fan died and it wasn't easily replicable.
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
We will use that fan to 1U rack mount version,not to this super compact model.We also try to design a fanless one,no fan!
@mrmotofy
11 ай бұрын
Virtually ALL the fans are standard sizes and available online. All ya gotta do is measure it including the thickness. 60mm or 80mm are only 2 sizes of the 20+ there are. I'd argue the 60-80mm is a dumb idea cuz it's way to big/loud for a unit this size
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
I can‘t agree more, we have started to test the fans from Taiwan and Japan.Hope to find a super stong one but quiet@@mrmotofy
@BillLambert
11 ай бұрын
This is a step in the right direction, but still falls very short of what I'd want. For one, custom fans are a no-go. I will gladly accept a little more bulk in exchange for a user-replaceable 40, 60 or even 80 mm fan mount. For two, that 12V USB-like power is a hard no, and actually turned me off this purchase entirely. It could have used PD and that would have been great. Heck, if I accidentally plug the power supply into the wrong type-C port on this very device, I could fry it instantly. Other brands have done similar things and I hate it with extreme prejudice.
@kwinzman
11 ай бұрын
Please don't tell me they are abusing the USB Type C connector for non USB with passive 12V. Absolutely abhorrent.
@jonathanbuzzard1376
11 ай бұрын
Manufacturers have been abusing random connectors for serial ports for decades now. I have devices with 3.5mm stereo audio jacks, miniUSB, RJ11, RJ45, 8 pin miniDIN, BT631W to name but a few. The idea that they won't abuse other connectors for power is laughable as it's abhorrent.
@kwinzman
11 ай бұрын
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 The issue is it's dangerous. There is a protocol to abide by if you want to supply more than 5V with a USB connector. A non-USB charger with a USB-C connector can easily damage something expensive if you plug that non spec power supply into another device. You're right manufaturers will always do stupid stuff. But we as consumers have the power to not buy their stupid stuff so that manufaturer learns not to do stupid stuff. And I would have preferred Patrick to condem that product stronger than he did in that video. I think he said something along the lines of "he doesn't mind".
@GaryBarclay
11 ай бұрын
Quick tip for contrast colours on charts, don't use royal blue and black. Use a bright red/green/yellow for the one that should stand out, saves us all squinting for the difference.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
We have like 97% male viewership in generally 35-55. Red/green color blindness impacts like 5-8% of the male population which is why we try NOT to use them as much as possible.
@remco2769
11 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thank you! It sure helps!
@jonathanfleck5419
11 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I find it hard to read the charts as well - how about black with a much lighter blue? Just some way to increase the contrast between the thing being compared, and the other items on the chart.
@alexmeakins
11 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Maybe adding a striped texture to one bar rather than relying on colour alone might be better? That way you can use clearer colours and colour blind people still have clear differentiation. But also, thank you (from a UI nerd perspective) for considering colour-blindness, so many people forget it is surprisingly common!
@DozIT
11 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideolol love the data!
@fteoOpty64
11 ай бұрын
Jesus, 25Gig-E ???. We barely have 10Ge, mostly just 2.5Ge...And two 25Ge ?!. That is wild.
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
most of the 25G users are from Finland, Sweden,Norway and Swiss
@inobtenio
11 ай бұрын
For those wondering, the nice-looking stress/monitoring tool showed at around 13:20 seems to be s-tui.
@Vchat20
11 ай бұрын
This gets SO close to what my ideal MiniPC would be. I imagine with the SFP and dual NvME boards they are connecting via PCIe through that ribbon cable. Would be awesome to be able to add an HBA here for a DAS and have a relatively inexpensive NAS. Wonder how long it'll take for someone to reverse engineer and figure out a PCIe riser for this.
@jorper2526
11 ай бұрын
They use OCP cards. No reverse engineering needed lol.
@Famzilla
11 ай бұрын
Can't imagine these units will be cheap. Guess it is a different class than the passive N305 units considering the I/O differences.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
Without the 25GbE and 10GbE instead I think the linked listing is sub $599.
@MrPir84free
11 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo That appears to be a N100..
@borisvokladski5844
11 ай бұрын
I have the T4 model with 32 GB ram but without sfp+ . It is a good little PC for a portable Proxmox instance to take with me, when I away from home.
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
That's why people choose our R86S-N305 series
@wallmachine8780
7 ай бұрын
what would you think as a proxmox, plex server, firewall and switch?
@tabascocrimson7865
11 ай бұрын
I didn't expect that much thermal compound applied in factory?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
It was way more than the original R86S. Likely this was done when they did re-work to add in the SFP28 25GbE NIC.
@ecotts
11 ай бұрын
Proxmox chews up nvme/ssd's (wrecks them). That little PC looks awesome.
@sourcilavise3788
9 ай бұрын
We would like dual nvme even if it's only gen3x2. I would like to put this in remote office to have a local access to cameras for example. Having 2 nvme would allow a RAID 1 setup so you have so if one drive fail, your system still runs before you replace it.
@0xKruzr
11 ай бұрын
what a great little box. wish I could ditch the WiFi hardware and have at least 64GB RAM.
@efimovv
11 ай бұрын
Awesome upgrade! I have previous gen, have no idea what to it for but it just awesome! 🤣
@uschti89
7 ай бұрын
Amazing product! Did you tried with VMware ESXi too?
@FrenziedManbeast
11 ай бұрын
Great video thanks STH! Question: Can the Wi-Fi NIC operate in Wireless AP mode? I'm looking to upgrade my in-home Wireless with a newer-gen AP - being able to use it for more than that might be a stealthy way of upgrading the HomeLab capabilities for me without getting the side-eye from the wife!
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
Usually folks want different NICs for AP mode.
@FrenziedManbeast
11 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo if that's the case, do you know a compatible wifi module I can swap for this for use in AP Mode? I'm not seeing much online for DIY 6e APs out there. With WF7 prices being hilariously out of touch I'm weighing my WF6e AP options.
@BrunoTorrente
11 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Interesting topic, we need more DIY wifi APs, we know it has technical implications (signal, amplifier, etc.), but always needing low-performance equipment to deal with wifi is horrible.
@BrunoTorrente
11 ай бұрын
In theory, modules like the "Wallys DR9074 5G", but I haven't tested it to confirm, the sources state that the HW AP mode is available. font: 524wifi
@BrunoTorrente
11 ай бұрын
8devices in theory are also an option
@Mitchell7790
11 ай бұрын
Hi Patrick, great review! Did you test VMware ESXi 8.0 on this at all? Interested to know if all the hardware was supported out of the box.
@Traumatree
11 ай бұрын
So, the 2 x 25GE ports were able to provide TOGETHER a little over 20Gbps? And right after you say that you can get single link at a little above 20Gbps also. So that probably means it is a PCIe lanes issue and not enough are allocated to these NICs. Still pretty fast, but practically useless since you will need a 25GE switch to connect to it - which are not cheap! Imo, 10GE is more than enough. That cpu can't route traffic past 10Gbps anyway if you put a pfsense on it.
@AnkushNarula
11 ай бұрын
A couple of eSATA ports on this, and it could be a great NAS solution
@constantinosschinas4503
11 ай бұрын
WHY do you need such a little device with 3x 2.5Ge and 2x 25Gbe ports in the first place? What is the usage scenario? Reeeally curious.
@matldn2697
11 ай бұрын
"of onboard eMMC", so this cannot be upgraded?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
No. Pretty standard for routers/ firewalls. But 64GB or 128GB is a lot for a firewall.
@matldn2697
11 ай бұрын
It is as I am using a 120 GB SATA SSD. But these wear out eventually. Since the machine has the ability to route at least 10 Gigabit. Then it will have a far longer lifespan. So the internal SSD will eventually wear out even faster.@@ServeTheHomeVideo
@denvera1g1
11 ай бұрын
This is 99.999% of what i want The only thing i'd add, is a slightly larger chassis, to fit 4*M.2 slots at 1x speed. I'd say 2x but i know there is not enough PCIe lanes for networking and M.2, it is an atom class processor after all at only 9x PCIe 3.0 lanes. Oh and if there arent enough lanes for 4*M.2 drives at 1x link, a re-driver to get it down to PCIe 2.0 i'd also like dual eMMC
@Daphoid
11 ай бұрын
Neat stuff; big shift from 5-7 years ago when STH stuff was more Intel NUC's, old towers you got used with Linux shoved on there and maybe some multi port NIC's; and then RPI's as well for lower cost computing. It's been ages since I've done any physical home lab stuff (my partner is quite sensitive to noise and in our small apartment my lab stuff only lasted a few months before it got sold and turned into Linode/AWS VM's). Years later though I'm pondering a RPI cluster, and with the RPI5 out that might be fun. But that wont' be x86 which means I might want something around for those duties. This is all headless though so I need to be careful as I don't need anything graphical or fancy in that regard. But maybe a beefier machine with VM's would do too? Such a fun hobby.
@JasonsLabVideos
11 ай бұрын
Nice work Patrick !
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
Many thanks!
@mofoq
11 ай бұрын
definitely neat...would love to see it or an updated version hit the market especially if it really can push at least 25gbps minimum; might be great as a little test machine for diagnosing network stuff
@Headloser
11 ай бұрын
It would be better if it build for an AMD foundation. I would added the Radeon 5600G since the built-in GPU is superiors to any on the built-in CPU/GPU combo.
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
That's will be a bigger Gaming box,not for firewall only
@OsX86H3AvY
11 ай бұрын
well I WAS excited that I just decided to built a pfsense router with my old HP elitedesk (i5-7500/32G mem/somecrappy SSD) with QUAD 2.5G and another 2.5G and ANOTHER 2.5G and then quad 1G and it was going to be AWESOME! ...but then I watched this and saw its 1/10th the size with 2x the cores and 9000x the throughput at 1/50th the wattage and now im just depressed...
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
So, Patrick called this a revolution, this makes sense!
@LA-MJ
11 ай бұрын
9:28 you should highlight the model you are talking about in the charts. It takes a while to hunt it down, especially with short cuts like this
@soundspark
11 ай бұрын
If the two SFP ports are 25GBit would that make them SFP28?
@ericneo2
11 ай бұрын
Neat little system. Wish they would use a better CPU around 5800u 8c/16t, ECC RAM and 2 drives, the first company to figure this out are going to make a boat load of money and nail down the market.
@RobertoCarlos-tn1iq
11 ай бұрын
Great video . . . now do what i want. give me a break.
@ericneo2
11 ай бұрын
@@RobertoCarlos-tn1iq People will buy from whoever makes the better product. You however are blocked, gone FOREVER and you know why.
@mrmotofy
11 ай бұрын
Sure...they available in a itx option right now
@ericneo2
11 ай бұрын
@@mrmotofy Don't just tease us like that. Tell us more, is there a name, supplier or AliExpress shop?
@nerdypcbuilder
11 ай бұрын
you know you have ocd when that crooked wifi antenna in the beginning of the video bothers you 😐
@OldenDays
11 ай бұрын
ive been watching STH quite a bit lately, I see a lot of those small factor PC reviews. But what are the application examples for such systems? I get that we can install "anything" on it, but can I get some solid examples or link to explainer article? Its touted as homelab, its kinda powerfull but I wouldnt build NAS out of it.
@mrmotofy
11 ай бұрын
If you can't see or think of a use for it...then clearly it's not for you. No big deal
@graphicalconcept
11 ай бұрын
this thing would be amazing as a start9 bitcoin fullnode
@UNgineering
11 ай бұрын
In the video you said the SFP+ card is Mellanox, on their website they say it's Intel 82599ES. Which one is it?
@kevc6115
11 ай бұрын
I would say the inclusion of the 12v USB-C for power has to do with EU directives on chargers and connectors. Devices can no longer ship chargers with devices. My guess is they decided on the USB-C connection as almost everyone already have cables to hand. Easier than trying to find a dedicated charger. Just a guess.
@doujinflip
11 ай бұрын
I don't think this counts as a mobile device that the EU mandate applies to. I'd guess it's the vendor experimenting with eventually integrating USB-PD for power.
@StooStranger
11 ай бұрын
Hi STH. I bought the R86S after your video and article. Great litte box. I wonder if you can check if the main PCB for the R86S pro hss the same foot print and the flex comnector is the same? Like, swapping the bottoms of the two box and both would still work? Also does this new Pro one would come with a slim version that doesn't have the sfp? I have a plan to do a shell swap (cnc) + cooler upgrade so the shell is not an issue for me but I would love to swap the main PC out since I don't need the 25G. Thank you
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
Then you better to check the Gowin 1U rack mount version,the model is GW-R86S-1UR1
@davidhettinger8873
11 ай бұрын
Just had the 1u version of this come in last week. I was wondering if Gowin is sending you one and if that review is in the pipe?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
Hopefully. Pretty busy moving to Scottsdale over the last three weeks and then getting married this past Sunday. I am a bit behind on e-mail to say the least :-) I do hope we get to test the 1U.
@mctscott123
11 ай бұрын
How are those sfp+? I thought sfp+ was only capable of 10gb? Wouldn't they be sfp28?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
They are SFP28, but since this was a one-off as mentioned, they did not change the print on the chassis.
@mctscott123
11 ай бұрын
@ServeTheHomeVideo Ah I didn't catch that, my bad.
@BobHenderson-dr2wy
11 ай бұрын
Eeet core? Are you Canadian? LOL! It looks nice, it's just the 2 antennas give away the fact that it is not going to function as a wireless AP... I've been looking for something that can wireless AP 6E and NAS at the same time, but also be very power efficient and have SFP+ cages for the LAN and the WAN (at least). And yeah, that was totally thermal throttling, so -2 for bad cooling...
@headlibrarian1996
3 ай бұрын
What’s the aggregate backplane bandwidth? Some switches, such as some of the Ubiquitis, only have enough backplane capacity to run one of their NICs at full speed.
@movax20h
2 ай бұрын
There is no dedicated switching backplane. Each port is connected to NIC over PCIe to the CPU. Theoretically PCIe devices can communicate directly, but nobody is doing this because it only works specific brand, specific simple scenarios. So here you will be limited to PCIe bandwidths, but even more so to the memory and CPU speed. 4 low power cores. Maybe 20Gbps total.
@jimallen8238
10 ай бұрын
I don’t get the push for tinier and tinier pcs - at the expense of cooling and storage. Isn’t ITX or mini-ITX small enough? Why not honor standards - unless the goal is proprietary lock-in? If I bought this, I would probably transplant the insides to an ITX case with an 80mm or 120mm fan.
@wizzmc1
5 ай бұрын
I wish they would make it in a 1u 19" case. Would be powerfull to have in my rack 🙂
@deano1699
11 ай бұрын
Would love some more extreme use case examples for devices like this - on the face of it, it has almost every feature desired by satellite office IT or small ISPs.
@FlaxTheSeedOne
11 ай бұрын
this would have been perfect if the power input would have been typ c PD
@robkristiaan
11 ай бұрын
thx for the video. Where does the second nvme slot expansionboard go does it stack with the first one? It isn't clear in the video
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
It replaces the 10GbE board. If you see pictures of the listings, there are versions without the SFP+ ports that are slimmer.
@JLongAstrophotography
7 ай бұрын
i think all of our fields are converging more with apple giving in. type-c and barrel jacks, i was just loking up usb b to type-c at 40gbps 240W ... good show, every thing is better with gan III ... this is fun o think we are about to take a huge jump in all tech with wifi7 Throughput dude
@sayanchx
11 ай бұрын
A fan request : Please can you also test out / review one of the mini firewall type PCs that ship with Pentium Gold 8505 that is 1P+4E Alder Lake CPU ?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
We will try to get to that. We are moving to Scottsdale (the studio is still on the truck) and are moving into a dedicated AC warehouse space here. I pre-recorded ~10 videos including this one before we left Austin.
@demorez5
11 ай бұрын
what is the app you use around 13:25 for the CPU stats?
@inobtenio
11 ай бұрын
Looks like s-tui.
@iyke8913
11 ай бұрын
The R2 is a thing, available on preorder.
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
It's not from us,we focused on Gowin R86S series!
@iyke8913
11 ай бұрын
yeah, it's from iKoolcore, the people who made the R1 in the video.@@gowinfanless
@iyke8913
11 ай бұрын
Btw. great product! I'm thinking of buying a R86S.@@gowinfanless
@Kushari
11 ай бұрын
When will this be available to purchase?
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
We will launched this new model on 20th,Oct.Accepet pre-orders for now!
@stevefxp
11 ай бұрын
Right now my OPNsense firewall is a Lenovo m720 Tiny with an Intel 9700T CPU. Does the N305 beat the 9700T in performance? I run alot of plugins, including Suricata and Zen Armor, so I would like to be able to replicate this setup. With that said...If they allow us to swap out the bottom for more NVMe I am in.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
The 9700T will be faster, but this will use less power.
This is the computer equivalent of the car Homer designed for his brother.....
@silenthill4
11 ай бұрын
They'll be legend once they add sfp28
@ServeTheHomeVideo
11 ай бұрын
The one shown here has SFP28
@bradenmcg
11 ай бұрын
How does that "USB COM port" work? Is it just some funky pinout/adapter for 9-pin serial? Or is it one of those stupid chips that when you plug another system into it, the chip on the board behaves like a USB-Serial adapter, meaning you actually *couldn't* use it to connect to a generic serial device from within the Gowin system itself?
@walterishere5864
10 ай бұрын
get a wireless keyboard mouse set or one of those Logitech unifying receiver types and free up another USB slot :P
@PalaRobe
11 ай бұрын
do you have some concerns about spyware with these? for running the network it seems quite ciritical to me
@gowinfanless
11 ай бұрын
We are trying to add the TPM and coreboot!
@benjaminellison
8 ай бұрын
Any idea whether that short M.2 slot on the alternate bottom supports 2230 sized storage (like in the Steam Deck) vs. only wi-fi? I'd love to use that for the boot drive for proxmox/truenas and pass-through the other 3x M.2 slots I'd have in that configuration for a zfs pool.
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