Wholeheartedly agree. The First Order may have had improved versions of older Imperial weaponry and vehicles. But the Empire was very likely much much more widespread and had a much more dominant force on a galactic scale than the First Order ever did. At least when it comes to numbers. And this is of course excluding the BS cheat-engine of Palpatine's final order on Exegol.
@TheHufflepuffSaint
7 ай бұрын
The problem is with the First Order... We have no idea what their motives are. While we know what the Empire was all about. For some reason in the Sequels, aside TLJ The First Order was obsessed with having Planet Killers. The Empire destroyed Alderaan to make a statement and they were about to destroy the Rebels Planet to make another statement but they weren't all about destroying every planet they see. Meanwhile, the First Order be like:- "haha, planets go bang." 😒
@Morgunth86
7 ай бұрын
What the hell are you talking about? First Order doesn t destroy planets and cities just because they want to, they always have a reason for it just like empire. They destroyed Hosnian Prime to destroy the New Republic and to prevent them in helping the resistance. First Order is not Chaotic Evil faction, it is Lawful Evil faction just like Empire. They want to reconquer the galaxy to bring back imperial glory from New Republic which most of First Order high command, including Hux sees as corrupt and ineffective, Snoke doesn t see that same way tho, he just wants power just like Palpatine.
@SWDude2710
7 ай бұрын
@@Morgunth86true there.
@TheHufflepuffSaint
7 ай бұрын
@@Morgunth86Why the hell did all those Star Destroyers in Rise Of Skywalker have all of that Death Star Tech on them then? And that threatening message of the Galaxy has so many hours before they are unleashed to rage war on every free world?
@Morgunth86
7 ай бұрын
@@TheHufflepuffSaint That was Final Order, not First Order, and they didn t intend to use those star destroyers to cause chaos to the galaxy just for the sake of it. They planned to conquer free worlds by waging war on them, but would only destroy them if they didn t submit to their rule, or destroy some worlds to force other worlds to surrender/submit. Those planet destroying canons were more of a scare tactic just like Death star. Final Order is Lawful Evil faction too, It is fully loyal to Palpatine. Palpatine himself is Neutral Evil tho, he doesn t have any loyalities to anyone but himself, doesn t see himself as person who brings order to the galaxy and he doesn t really care about rulling his Empire as he focused more about finding ways to become immortal.
@TheHufflepuffSaint
7 ай бұрын
@@Morgunth86 And what is the Final Order but a poorly lined retcon of The First Order because Rian painted JJ into a corner. It's all the same thing just with a different coat of paint. At least the Empire had layers to their dealings and plans. Suppose that's what comes from meticulous world building and writing that George Lucas had in mind. Meanwhile Disney:- 🙄
@MMBreaker
7 ай бұрын
The Empire has more versatility but many of the first orders vehicles are just improved / modified imperial ones so it would be close
@angelic_disappointment7889
7 ай бұрын
Goes to show you how powerful imperial machines are
@magicaltour1
7 ай бұрын
They’re better funded that the New Republic, and they’re not even ruling through Galaxy!
@Moth-pz9vg
7 ай бұрын
THE EMPIRE > first order
@Loxen86
7 ай бұрын
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7 ай бұрын
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7 ай бұрын
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@Kevin-sr8yx
7 ай бұрын
The sequel is never as good as the original. (Except for Terminator 2)
@elijahknox4421
7 ай бұрын
@@Kevin-sr8yxthe dark knight, even though I personally prefer batman begins
@skibbitybebop
7 ай бұрын
What confuses me the most to this day is why the New Republic's (current reigning government) military is called.... The Resistance
@Graues.Dämmerlicht
7 ай бұрын
This fact alone proves how nonsensical the whole plot of so called ‘sequel trilogy’ was.
@ta7910th
6 ай бұрын
I thought the Resistance was formed because the Republic did not want to intervene as they did not see the treath First Order posed
@thisisquist
7 ай бұрын
The movies did very little to show the first order in power. They were basically just thugs. Disney screwed up not putting politics in the sequels
@SWDude2710
7 ай бұрын
Well, they did put politics in. Just not very good or well implemented ones.
@wrightkaneradio4918
7 ай бұрын
All of starwars is political. A lot of it was drawn from vietnam and nixon
@thisisquist
7 ай бұрын
@@SWDude2710 where? Other than the “arms dealer” arc from 8, there was nothing
@thisisquist
7 ай бұрын
@@wrightkaneradio4918 which is where these movies fucked up, by having NO politics
@joeypieper6384
7 ай бұрын
That's what happens when you pander to Prequel haters
@jediclonekag13
7 ай бұрын
I agree. While the First Order did utilize improved/modified versions of Imperial vehicles and weaponry, the Empire was much more versatile and widespread. The Empire really had more of a dominant presence on the galaxy, and the First Order tried to replicate that.
@SnootchieBootchies27
5 ай бұрын
The first order being written by incompetent children... yeah, they're gonna be OP. These were the type of kids that said things like, "I bet my dad could beat up your dad"
@MUI_Shaggy01
7 ай бұрын
The Empire had World Devastators, the Sun Crusher, and the Eclipse dreadnought. Just those three super weapons alone would be enough to wipe out pretty much everything in the galaxy.
@johnhoran9840
7 ай бұрын
Starkiller was effective, but the Suncrusher was a more elegant weapon: Simply destroy the star in a given system.
@MUI_Shaggy01
7 ай бұрын
@johnhoran9840 And, it was practically indestructible, it took a shot from the prototype death star. And the only way it was destroyed is when it was sent into a black hole.
@johnhoran9840
7 ай бұрын
Yes, it was an awesome weapon. I was thinking, the Death Star could jump into space above Starkiller Base, destroy it, then jump away before any of the orbital ships even knew what was happening. Disney SW doesn't have a very good imagination when it comes to superweapons. This is pitiful when you consider that not only are there several in Legends, but science-fiction is overflowing with imaginative superweapons that they could have "adapted".@@MUI_Shaggy01
@imperialadvisor4880
7 ай бұрын
The EMPIRE is Forever!!!
@riveraharper8166
7 ай бұрын
First order tried to powercreep the Empire! But they don't have commanders like Thrawn or Vader.
@Nephalem2002
7 ай бұрын
Something I wish was that the First Order wasn’t a thing and it was the Imperial Remnant led by Thrawn. Then in the 2nd Movie of the trilogy, introduce the Yu Zong Vong
@baccusx13
7 ай бұрын
The Empire had something that the First Order seems to lack and it's the ISB (Imperial Security Bureau) and if we have to imagine a conflict between the Empire and the First Order, I would bet my chips on the one who has an intelligence division.
@SilentMCYT
7 ай бұрын
They got Vader
@HyraxusPrimus
7 ай бұрын
My insane theory after the Rise of Skywalker trailer was that they were going to pull an Avengers: Endgame. Palpatine, Vader, the original Death Star, and the whole Imperial fleet from Rogue One/New Hope were going to go through the World Between Worlds to conquer the future and the First Order and Resistance would have to team up to beat them. It was the only way I could rationalize seeeing a fleet of what looked like Imperial Star Destroyers, a crashed Death Star (instead of it being blown up) on a planet that wasn't Endor, and Palpatine coming back.
@Zivuzx
7 ай бұрын
The Empire has Darth Vader and the Inquisitors at their disposal not to mention tens of millions of soldiers.
@Elriuhilu
7 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure starkiller base could only fire the one time. The death stars could fire as many times as needed as long as they kept getting more laser juice, plus you could drive them around to get a better shot. Starkiller base pretty much used up all of the crystals on the planet they converted (I'm pretty sure it was Ilum where the Jedi used to get sword crystals) and blew its entire load in one go.
@titanrahlgaming
7 ай бұрын
Ilium was the primary kyber crystal source, yes, but there could have been other locations better kept secret that weren't hinted at the jedi temple archives. Only a select group, all masters, would have known them.
@HyraxusPrimus
7 ай бұрын
The crystals don't get used up and Starkiller Base had a hyperdrive. It could just go somewhere else and absorb another star.
@Elriuhilu
7 ай бұрын
@@titanrahlgaming Yeah, but I meant that Ilum, with its extreme abundance of kyber crystals, was converted into starkiller base after it started falling apart from over-mining. It's been a while since I saw the movie so I had forgotten that the superweapon ate a star to power its death ray, but now that I've been reminded I'm no longer sure how or even if the kyber crystals come into it. Maybe it could fire again if it ate another star, but can the base even travel between systems? And what was the point of explaining that Ilum with all its kyber was converted to starkiller base when it may not even have been used to power the weapon. I think the death stars used kyber crystals to power their super-lasers.
@Elriuhilu
7 ай бұрын
@@HyraxusPrimus I had forgotten about the star eating thing, it's been a while since I saw the movie. Are you sure about the hyperdrive? I thought it only had rocket engines so they could aim it.
@HyraxusPrimus
7 ай бұрын
@@Elriuhilu At least 1 Canon reference book has said so and Pablo Hidalgo apparently said so when asked how it was supposed to work on Twitter, so I'm going to stick by it. (Not that I want to defend Starkiller Base.)
@patricklandfarth1182
7 ай бұрын
Death Star can move and the Stormtrooper where actually more dangerous and hitting targets, while the 1st Order is diverse and cant hit a barn 10m away
@user-jg5ie8rc1s
7 ай бұрын
Any order, whether first or second, that is willing to destroy entire planets in a galaxy, is a bit dumb in my opinion.
@javinhutto8183
7 ай бұрын
It feels more like the First Order has a high concentration of power in one place but I don't think they had the presence like the Empire.
@RealWildWalter
7 ай бұрын
I mean the empire has Vader and a whole band of inquisitors that can just totally destroy most Jedi when Kylo Ren could barely survive against a scavenger with no force experience whatsoever
@johnhoran9840
7 ай бұрын
Vader would kill Ren within mere seconds of fighting. He was holding back with Luke. Heck, he might even choose to Force choke Ren rather than draw his lightsaber, unless he wished to humble and humiliate him.
@janoslambert-cannon7146
7 ай бұрын
The deathstar could probably destroy star killer base. Whilst star killer base seems to have a ridiculous range, it has a major drawback that it needs to consume a star in order to use it's primary weapon whereas the deathstar does not. If the deathstar jumped to star killer base, it would be able to use it's own weapon whilst the first order is sitting ducks, destroying the whole planet. Star killer base would also be easy for the empire to track due to it being significantly larger and that it consumes stars to power itself would leave a trail.
@bhaveshjugnauth
6 ай бұрын
Nonsensical Starkiller Base doesn't need to absorb a star, that's misconception. It uses sunlight to attract the quintessence from their surrounding. The quintessence is kept for some time in the planet then when released, is extremely high in energy. I mean, if it absorbed the entire star, why was it there when the resistance attacked? We clearly see it, it wasn't yet gone when they destroy the hosnian system. Compared to the kyber, which the death star uses, quintessence is way more effective, practical and efficient as it is 95 percent of the makeup of space. The first order compared to the empire, has an indefinite source of energy that can do much more on the galactic scale while the death star can only operate on the planetary scale as it can't fire far from the planet.
@bananaleg82
7 ай бұрын
Disney both wanted the first order to be a group of emperials who kept the empire going, and a massive force 4x bigger than the empire, literal child writing
@bhaveshjugnauth
6 ай бұрын
They did not want to, neither was it the plan. The first order was supposed to be a bigger, much more technologically advanced and more dangerous threat than the empire. Which they were since they took over most of the galaxy in a year.
@charlessaint7926
7 ай бұрын
But what about intelligence?
@michaelelkin9542
7 ай бұрын
If you consider the planet killer star destroyers that they had in the hundreds or thousands the empire has no chance. They were crazy overpower and only beaten with plot armor when they could not leave and could not attack or defend.
@leoismaking
7 ай бұрын
I don't think the First Order was ever as entrenched as the Empire. They never had the numbers and were sort of an "outside force". The Empire had the advantage of having come from the Republic. They didn't have to conquer the Galaxy, they sort of "inherited" it. It's a much more frightening tale of the corruption and fall of a democracy. The FO did as well as they did because the NR was weaker, and apparently kept too much of it's main force all in one system (which Starkiller took out). In equal numbers, I think the FO stomps. I think whatever versatility they were lacking they would have just covered with old Imperial tech. But I don't think they ever had the numbers. If they had won and had 20 years to build up like the Empire, it might be different, but they never got to "settle in".
@drakulie
6 ай бұрын
The empire had George Lucas. The first order has Disney, which believes men can get pregnant.
@mikeydavid4500
7 ай бұрын
Vader alone would wipe out half of their forces, before encountering Kylo Ren...
@tred6292
7 ай бұрын
Definitely the Empire. The First Order is far too small and far too few in numbers to overpower the Empire. And if the First Order cannot even defeat three ships running on fumes, then what hope do they have against a fleet of Star Destroyers. Also, in a duel between Vader and Kylo Ren, there’s no contest, Vader would win.
@KingOfYamimakai
6 ай бұрын
Empire wins. Star killer base need to position itself near a star in order to fire. The Death Star is a giant light saber as it's powered by Kyber crystals so before Star Killer base can fire a single shot the Death Star would have destroyed it. For the Ground troops the Inquisitors can cut through the first orders rank like nothing.
@sleipnirthe8th339
7 ай бұрын
We also need to address that the empire had very powerful characters, without them, the empire would be nothing, they got The emperor, Darth vader, the inquisitors, Thrawn, and many other notable strategists and fighters. Plus their the most resourceful for how much political power they have
@aaronimp4966
7 ай бұрын
The Empire was pretty flawed in it's administration, but you're absolutely correct. For every Tarkin or Vader in the Empire, there's three random impotent Moffs who don't care about anything other than not getting force choked. The First Order, on the other hand, has a total of 0, as you said, powerful leaders. In fact, I'd argue they have 0 leaders capable of basic cognitive thought. And in an intergalactic battle of idiots, it only takes a couple of people with functioning brains to win.
@valmid5069
7 ай бұрын
Viewers: man geez KZitem recs is boring Star Wars Content: *Hello There!!!*
@Amp661
7 ай бұрын
Don't kid yourself. Most star wars content is boring
@thedanklordger5094
7 ай бұрын
Also funny thing is that the New Republic changed it's Capital Planet for no reason when Coruscant was the capital for over 25k years and after the New Order destroyed the sun system where the capital was located in Star Wars 7 you just never hear anything from the New Republic again like it just completely stopped existing. GUYS! YOU RULED THE MOST OF THE (known and explored) GALAXY! YOU LOSE "ONE" PLANET AND THEN YOU'RE DEAD ALREADY?
@hongo3870
7 ай бұрын
The writing was terrible, yes
@Mike_Dubo
7 ай бұрын
Guess the main reason the Empire would win: One name. 6 letters.
@billthomas2652
7 ай бұрын
I don't disagree. Which is why it's so silly when in the space of the gap between The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi they are now running the galaxy and the "Resistance" is completely on the run and about to be snuffed out.
@T95man
7 ай бұрын
The first order is the empire but just more developed and they change their name
@Nonamearisto
7 ай бұрын
Doesn't matter. The "sequels" won't remain canon. They're already not in canon according to the devout fans.
@thedemosaur
7 ай бұрын
A star has the power to destroy entire galaxies at once scientifically - they had the chance to end the awful next movie before it happens
@bhaveshjugnauth
6 ай бұрын
It can, but the first order didn't use the star to destroy hosnian so no you are not right
@Amp661
7 ай бұрын
Empire wins. First order was a sole military junta, while the empire had conscripted a whole galaxy of firepower. Its no contest.
@JediDuck_edits
7 ай бұрын
andrew (Bombastic) is definitely one of my top 3 favorite KZitemRS
@fugofugo5135
7 ай бұрын
I Might be completely ignorant of the story, especially since the FEMALE IS FORCE trilogy, but WHY would they fight each other ? Also consider the fact that the empire lost against GUMMY BEARS. And at the end, only the clone army would win, they kinda DID destroy the TRAITOROUS JEDI, which is a BIG deal.
@DanBen07
7 ай бұрын
Well I thought that empire was going to make Ilum into a star killer base weapon but were destroyed before they could complete it and the first order took over & completed it. We have now seen the empire was using ships that are early versions of the first order troop transport. The weapon on the first order Dreadnought star Destroyer apparently comes from the Imperial siegebreaker and they just upgraded it and made it more advanced.
@francois9018
7 ай бұрын
Ah yes first order had better stuff due to disney subscribing to bigger is better and just wanting to throw more stuff in our face rather then making something new. The two deathstars pretty much bankrupted the empire, stopping the production of dreadnoughts such as the one Vader had as his flag ship and pretty much straining the amount of military asset the empire could manifacture. But yeah, a lil group in one corner of the galaxy managed to make all previous tech ten times better somehow.....
@ninthundertow
7 ай бұрын
Imperium > Empire > First Order
@elcalabozodelandroide2
7 ай бұрын
The canon empire haas only 2 moods. Either: Completly un-limited machine gun of at-ta , specialized troops and senator class or bigger ships. Or slow and few admiral fleets with geniunly incompetent stromtroopers (even tho those are literally the elite) . If it is the first one , even if they lack the death star , they would crush snoke. But if they are the second one , only the quicker velocity of the death star over the localize range attacks of the starkiller could let them somewhat win after invading every ship and blowing up every planet they fail to protect.
@xander2964
7 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention the fact Disney is so bad at original story telling they literally ripped off ‘A new hope’
@rickzane6433
7 ай бұрын
Somehow... it could be a Tie.
@themole4369
7 ай бұрын
Sounds like something a six year old would have thought up. The writers were brainstorming ideas for a new super weapon more powerful than the Death Star which could blow up planets and settled for a planet that could blow up multiple other planets at once. The Death Star could have done the same just by firing multiple times but somehow Starkiller base was more deadly cos it could blow them up at the same time…
@bhaveshjugnauth
7 ай бұрын
Also starkiller base is better because unlike the death star, it does not have to reload for a whole day. The first order used quintessence which they acquired from their surrounding. This just showcases their technological superiority, and it also is a more powerful asset than kyber. The first order also improved imperial vehicles and even added shields to tie fighters. If the death star was to destroy 6 planets, it'd take 6 days.
@themole4369
7 ай бұрын
I tihnk being able to blow up six worlds at once somewhat defeats the purpose of the Death Star. It was a tool of terror designed to keep worlds in place. Set an example with Alderaan and then watch the rest fall in line. What difference does an extra day make when you're obliterating a whole planet and everyone on it? I guess I was just getting tired of the whole superweapon trope. We've already had two Death Stars. Couldn't Disney think of anything more imaginative than just putting in bigger and bigger superweapons?
@bhaveshjugnauth
7 ай бұрын
@@themole4369 This does not matter as starkiller base did not have the same purpose. It was supposed to be used to destroy enemies not struck fear among citizens. Also, destroying Alderaan was a completely bad idea. It was its destruction that gave way to the rebels to destroy the death star, which Palpatine described as the reason the empire would fall. You think destroying planets would be a good idea to maintain order? After its destruction, there were riots all over Coruscant, they had to use martial law to keep order. If your and Palpatine's idea of a death star is to keep planets stable, that is just a bad idea. The death star to the first order on the other hand was used as what a weapon as such is supposed to be, except they improved it instead of building a 3rd identical one.
@MadHax-wt5tl
7 ай бұрын
I think you are putting way more thought into dysney trilogy than they did.
@SchneeflockeMonsoon
7 ай бұрын
The Empire were Nazi’s, and the First Order is today’s Russia. One worked with biplanes that worked, the other has jet fighters that aren’t properly assembled. One of them took most of Europe in under a decade. One of them hasn’t been able to get past its own border in that time. What I’m saying is, logistics best technology any day.
@DJB0X3R
7 ай бұрын
But you have to remember that the Empire started the build of Starkiller Base.
@GeneralG1810
7 ай бұрын
Actually the first order would win, because it has lazy writers who just put things on easy mode to defeat.
@baradmemarkermani2184
7 ай бұрын
Empire would win 100%
@kevenpinder7025
7 ай бұрын
I thought from the thumbnail this would be deleted footage of Veers' oopsie. My Star Wars investment ended with "from a certain point of view," so re the question Emp v. 1st Order, I can't be bothered to care.
@Radjondle
7 ай бұрын
Your opinion is correct sir.
@TheMoosePad
7 ай бұрын
I don't see how this is even an opinion, just plain and simple fact. Yes, a galactic-spanning empire will ultimately win a conflict against a power that at best had just a few dozen backwater systems under its belt. We don't even need to get into the logistics of it simply because of this fact. More planets under the Empire means more chances for a plucky group of attractive young adults to discover the power of friendship and destroy the first order. And as we all know that's the only true power in fiction. Unless the first order rag-tags. Then they're fucked.
@JediDuck_edits
7 ай бұрын
well that is true
@bhaveshjugnauth
7 ай бұрын
The first order is an improvement over the empire Even their tie fighters are better. Eckharsladder already made a video about it and said the first order would probably be able to counter imperial defense, in space battle at least.
@sonoftheway3528
7 ай бұрын
First Order aren't canon so the Empire wins
@SharpDesign
7 ай бұрын
Could Starkiller base be set to low to destroy only one planet, or was the only setting to destroy a whole system?
@oliversherman2414
7 ай бұрын
Yes, the First Order was powerful. But, at the end of the day, I still think they're just Empire wannabes
@slobiden.2593
7 ай бұрын
The first order suck from a writing standpoint. Sure starkiller base is much bigger than the Death Star, but so what, an X-Wing hitting its weak spot destroyed it. Sure Snokes ship was 5x (or whatever) the size of the executor. But it got taken out by a ship ramming it. It’s the same problem the terminator movies had after 2. You’re making the enemies more tougher on paper, but they lose to the same shit and it gets boring. Look at KOTOR. It did the Sith Empire in the first game. It did basically the original trilogy in one game with a giant space station. Wrapped it up perfectly with it going boom. KOTOR 2 could’ve done the same thing, but they went with a half destroyed star destroyer with a silent crew of sith assassins, and 3 Sith Lords with their own unique motivations trying to wipe out the Jedi. We don’t need giant space battles every movie.
@efnissien
7 ай бұрын
Yep, I'd say the Empire had a more 'grass roots' following. After it's fall, I'd dare say there were those (like those in current day eastern Germany) who hankered for the 'good old days' when there was law and order. And as long as you kept your head down and nose clean, you wouldn't need to worry too much. They also had a clear ideology, even in the real world politicians roll out - "we = law and order". Even as a kid in the 1980's I could see the attractiveness of Imperial life to those living under their rule. The first order don't really have an ideology, they're the product of lazy script writing - basically 'Imperial lite', and 'give them bigger stuff because we're out of ideas.' One interesting weapon that was featured in an early Starwars comic was a weapon that would freeze any water - metals would become brittle and any organic material (well think of the T1000 from 'Terminator2')
@aaronimp4966
7 ай бұрын
You could give the First Order their normal weapons and the empire Middle Ages tech, the empire would still win, for one critical reason; administration. The Empire is stagnant, but capable of limited common sense. Give the First Order a massive fleet to combat a few transport ships, and they'll float around for a few hours doing nothing and whine about why the lone fighter pilot won't take their administration seriously. While staring down their entire fleet. And not getting shot at. Despite the "negotiations" being the most obvious ruse in galactic history.
@Foot_Fungus
7 ай бұрын
I agree, the first order is garbage
@pqsnet
7 ай бұрын
I dont care because the sequel trilogy is not Star Wars. Its Disney garbage.
@dromider7598
7 ай бұрын
FIRST YES😄😄
@SammEater
7 ай бұрын
The First Order had no greater plan, because Disney didn't had a greater plan. They were just making up as they went along. Classic JJ Abrams Mystery Box BS that killed Lost.
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