Hey Steel, thanks for the react! Always good to hear your thoughts
@Featsofgrace
8 сағат бұрын
Seamless co-op isnt a fix. A mod isnt something we should have to rely on.
@IudexJudyr
7 сағат бұрын
Especially when half of the souls players are on console.
@incius8341
6 сағат бұрын
tbf wex dust kinda revitalized Ds3 multiplayer. I agree that a mod won't save elden ring tho.
@Featsofgrace
6 сағат бұрын
@@IudexJudyr yeah its unfair
@Featsofgrace
6 сағат бұрын
@@incius8341 it did but only for pc , if we gave fromsoft fair treatment like other devs then its inexcusable to say we the fans should have to fix the game the way we want it , in the end I love fromsoft but people hold them to a standard. When they dont meet that standard for their fans like PvP players who stay the longest , it feels like a slap in the face to us. They made billions of dollars yet have not YET invested it into ER for the Community. Im sure we will get another game but if its PvP is as busted as this game then id rather not have it all together
@Faminetheblack
6 сағат бұрын
Tell that to bethesda LMAO
@adradox
9 сағат бұрын
Steel believing that any of substantial positive changes will move forward to the next game is just adorable. 🥰
@andrewbabiak5233
7 сағат бұрын
He's just a widdle guy, forgot about the whiplash just from DS1-2-3
@Wraggle3000
7 сағат бұрын
Only thing they'll be taking forward is the knowledge that the community will make up for what they don't add. So uh, next game is only openable in blender3d.
@ni9274
3 сағат бұрын
Why not ? Elden Ring has broken PVP cause the devs had to spend all of their times working on making the PVE. If they make a smaller scale souls games they could find time to focus on the PVP and implement feedback (they have shown with every patch that they listen to community feedback) Do you really believe Miyazaki personally hate PVP and is purposely ruining the pvp to make invaders suffer ?
@Wraggle3000
8 сағат бұрын
People don't remember how long we waited for ER to release in the first place. Souls community was talking for years beforehand and hoping for the new, better ds3. Now here we are hoping for a new, better ds3.
@tylerbrubaker2331
8 сағат бұрын
Honestly so true
@Featsofgrace
6 сағат бұрын
@@Wraggle3000 if only ,😢
@SirWetBiscuit
5 сағат бұрын
I'd sincerely prefer for no game to ever feel like Dark Souls 3 (the worst Souls game, btw).
@LorMRKO
5 сағат бұрын
@@SirWetBiscuit bait used 2 be better
@Wraggle3000
5 сағат бұрын
@@Featsofgrace Bro I feel you. Last few years have been disappointing at best.
@Derved_
9 сағат бұрын
emotionaljon is going thru all the 5 stages of grief w/ his uploads, next upload will be wild
@GlaiveMistress
9 сағат бұрын
I mean I'm actually surprised how many updates with big changes we got considering elden ring isn't a life service game.
@nafinbomb
7 сағат бұрын
“Big updates” all they did in patches was change numbers, no new content.
@GlaiveMistress
7 сағат бұрын
@@nafinbomb that depends on what you want from an update. PvP balancing is all about changing numbers. Of course they're not gonna do regular content updates that was absolutely clear from the very beginning.
@yourfriendly609
5 сағат бұрын
Yeahhh that's the thing, from soft feels like they both care/don't about pvp at the same time, other aspects being more important and hell having a whole boss be based around summons, to the major stuff being ignored for whatever reason. Granted the patches are helpful but the dlc kinda messed up the somewhat balanced pvp we had before.
@paolo2696
5 сағат бұрын
@@nafinbomb "All they did" 🙄 That still takes time & resource... deciding what to change, how to change it, testing, iterating, QC, production release. Some people have no idea what's involved in releasing a patch.
@ni9274
3 сағат бұрын
@@nafinbombThey also change frame data and animations + fix bugs, and even numbers change require dev time and some playtest.
@jannisan
9 сағат бұрын
Dude Steelovsky, the "original video" in your description is the wrong one. Also, please dont invade me, i have restless nights thinking about the possibility.
@duckboi420
7 сағат бұрын
Elden Ring PvP will never be worth it unless player limit is increased
@paolo2696
6 сағат бұрын
I disagree. A lot of the players asking for 6 player limit also complain about L2 and spell spam. Going from 4 to 6 players will just give them more of the things they don't like :)
@Faminetheblack
6 сағат бұрын
@@paolo2696 You're in the minority I'm pretty sure. Going from a 3v1 of L2 and spam to a 2v3 or 3v3 where there are more targets for people to throw spells and ashes of war at would improve the game substantially. The issue is that invaders have 3 people all launching full inventories at them, they're the equivalent of MMO bosses just being focused down, but without any of the power an MMO boss has.
@varsa507
6 сағат бұрын
Elden Ring PVP will never be worth it until net code it improved*
@paolo2696
6 сағат бұрын
@@Faminetheblack I'm sure I am but I like the challenge of 1v3. Also a lot of Reds in Elden Ring don't know how to co-invade properly, very different situation to DS3. They attack the other Red, or think it's an honor duel. Honestly I think the 4 player limit is better for Elden Ring.
@Faminetheblack
5 сағат бұрын
@@paolo2696 I still disagree, I win most of my invasions, going deathless on some days, so I get it, I like challenges too. But the constant spam, gankers with TT, cheaters, It's just too much for a multiplayer experience that doesn't offer enough or really anything. I'd be more than happy to deal with the growing pains of new invaders learning the ropes and attacking me sometimes, than another god damn liurnia gank or fake duel. Plus it would reinvigorate the player base. I'd get any friend who owned the game on if we could do a full 3v3 tt run. That would be amazing.
@Valavinge
4 сағат бұрын
I always hate these "death" of games videos. No game is meant to be played forever. Like what this guy said this is FromSoft's vision for the game. Experience it then move on.
@radagussy
2 сағат бұрын
Seamless co op isn’t even that “seamless” because of the sheer amount of game breaking bugs it can have. After almost 2 thousand hours in vanilla game it sure is a good thing I know how NPC quests etc are supposed to progress because there were many instances where I had to tell my friend (the host going through the dlc for their first time) to stop because something was out of place or not loading the way it should have. It straight up broke the quest where we need to heal the friendly kindred of rot stuck in the ground. No matter what we tried it just always loaded the kindred like their model was dead. We even both closed our games nothing would fix that. It would break certain NPC dialogues in the final Leda fight, so many little things added up like every single play session either one or both of us were restarting our game to attempt to fix something and it only worked half the time to solve our problems. So sure certain elements of seamless co op are more streamlined but after I finished helping my friend I moved all the mod shit out of the game folder so I can just open the vanilla game whenever I want again because that mod just ending up pissing me off too much and warping my perception of the game because of how much better the input lag/latency is in the mod vs online vanilla. Don’t get me wrong I’m glad the mod exists but I hate how people just hand wave away how severely game breaking/buggy it is and pretend its infinitely better than vanilla when you’ll spend more time in the mod trying to fix certain bugs than the constant re summoning of vanilla. I really hope from soft is able to implement a more streamlined co op experience in the next game so that there doesn’t need to be mods like that in the first place that only splits the player base
@BSJINTHEHOUSE420
9 сағат бұрын
Elden Ring PvP is done Elden Ring PvP is cooked Elden Ring PvP is over Elden Ring PvP is finally done Elden Ring PvP is finally over (real)
@IudexJudyr
7 сағат бұрын
I’m scared of the next game as well. Mike teriyaki mentioned in a few recent interviews how he’s a fan of accessibility and ease of use they’ve added to Elden ring. I’d look them up
@Wraggle3000
7 сағат бұрын
Also flashbacks to the joy felt during the network test. Dear god what a beautiful time. Storm stomp lances everywhere.
@lowk3yyyy
8 сағат бұрын
King's Field games were the real essence of the studio
@kephn
2 сағат бұрын
Your optimism is inspiring Steel, but I'm with John on this one. The multiplayer in ER has been awful from beginning to end and the balance fixes have just been rearranging deck chairs on the titanic, IMHO. Good video nonetheless.
@CasualSouls
7 сағат бұрын
The biggest issue for me as I play on PC is the artificial latency. it clearly needs to be addressed before their next game so why not fix it in Elden ring first.
@greenpinapple820
9 сағат бұрын
At the start, "we soared our hopes high on the dlc" who actually did that? Maybe if elden was your entry point into FS, sure acceptable mistake but like... even if you jumped on at like ds3 or bb, you should've known better. Like come on now.
@varsa507
6 сағат бұрын
Oh yeah, I personally expected "additional content", and they over-delivered in that regard. I have no complaints
@benzost920
Сағат бұрын
To confirm your point for a future patch, in the release notes for 1.16, FROM did explicitly state, "Further updates will be distributed in the future for you to continue to enjoy ELDEN RING more comfortably."
@LordUmbasa
9 сағат бұрын
ChaseTheBro is Steelovsky's father.
@midknight8
7 сағат бұрын
BroTheSteel is LovChasky’s father
@acolddarkgentlebruh8205
2 сағат бұрын
Not increasing the player limit is probably purely a spec issue, since the game runs on multiple systems
@ldjkfg
8 сағат бұрын
I know most people in broader playerbase wouldnt accept it being gone, but I think password summons are one of the worst things about the game. If they arent removed they should be balanced very differently in furure games. The game is meant to be more about random encounters and meeting strangers than playing with your friends. You also arent really supposed to co-op in overworld (hence no horse, cant enter dungeons etc) but its difficult to totally forbid it when there are overworld bosses and summon pools. Without pw summons there are no super olp, but also harder to abuse dropping items (although i also think multiplayer needs better rewards, and rarity/purchasability of consumables needs to be improved anyway) It seems to me that there is no kind of ingame community feeling as there was in ds3, people are not very much hosting ingame group events or fight clubs etc. Clearly player limit and lack of covenant areas affects this too, but it just shows the uselessness of pw summoning with the current system. It is mostly just abused to make the game easier than it is meant to be for some PVEers, which also just discourages summoning strangers; and by griefers in PVP.
@AiresOne
8 сағат бұрын
we waiting in Sigma Souls 7 now
@boof994
4 сағат бұрын
Miyazaki doesnt see invasions as pvp, he sees it as pve controlled players. It will never be balanced. We have to hope for actual pvp related thibgs like collesium stuff. I really doubt we will get anything from fromsoftware at this point. If anything another surprise patch that happened a few days ago where its just empty patches
@Vidrinskas
2 сағат бұрын
Let's put it this way - I wouldn't bother with a 'Return to Limgrave' event whereas I still do the DS2 and DS3 return events.
@TheRockKnight
7 сағат бұрын
Seamless coop is cool, but for console players it is just useless. From needs to just fix the main problems with ER’s multiplayer and that would already be very good.
@mj2carlsbad
8 сағат бұрын
Didn't you just react to this premise from this guy like a month ago or so?
@ViviRavan
7 сағат бұрын
Jesus Christ people are being so overdramatic over a patch😂
@MordePapu
8 сағат бұрын
when they finally rework the fucking TT the PvP gonna be good
@Enigmatic_Soldier
3 сағат бұрын
its funny that most people didn't have that opinion at the beginning of the game "mp is bad" most of the times comes in the last third of the lifespan of a souls game but i guess people just had a long time watching the bs happening in multiplayer
@LegionUwUEr
8 сағат бұрын
It's over Dlc is fatality
@PolishGoblinn
8 сағат бұрын
1:30 he says "nothing changed" only about DLC patch and those which followed
@ShadowOoOwalker
8 сағат бұрын
Single player experience 10/10 Multiplayer experience ???/10 Coop boss experience 7/10(boss move around a lot, host vigor nonexistent) Gankers experience 8/10 (they occasionally get spanked) Invader experience 8/10 (spanking ganks successful makes it all worth it) As a casual gamer who tasted a bit of everything... elden ring is souls take on the projectile hell genre 😅
@ShadowOoOwalker
8 сағат бұрын
Sidenote: Arena is cool n all, but i wish there was a reward for participating or something. Like different tier runes or whtever
@Faminetheblack
6 сағат бұрын
I've been calling it Bullet Hellden ring for the last 2 years.
@raikhdaemon7183
5 сағат бұрын
Think it would've been nice if they atleast communicated whats on the table. They definitely have acted on feedback and suggestions, and we have gotten a lot of good changes. Just not on the level of the entire multiplayer system. There may be a number of reasons why more expansive changes aren't coming and I'd rather hear directly that we're only gonna see balance changes and bug fixes than have some ever dwindling hope that there was this last grand Patch in the pipeline, when it was possibly never even on the table to begin with.
@_invx2
8 сағат бұрын
on the 4-player limit: lets not forget that elden ring its also a ps4/xbox one title and from is afraid that increasing the player limit may result on making the game literally unplayable for said consoles
@Personell101
8 сағат бұрын
Definitely echoes my thoughts too. Though, while the 4 player limit might never be going anywhere, I still think a taunters tongue rework shouldn’t be unreasonable.
@davidrw67
8 сағат бұрын
tounters tounge shouldnt be allowed to be disabled like the dried finger in ds3
@dsartorias1619
4 сағат бұрын
All I want is tongue fix and 1 more invader fir 3v1 that's all I ask for this game to big to not have at least a 5 player limit I mean come on
@ozujordan6001
8 сағат бұрын
A Slop studio😂
@midknight8
7 сағат бұрын
FromSlopware
@ni9274
3 сағат бұрын
Elden Ring is still the third most played PVE focused game on steam behind Baldur's Gate 3 and Wukong, it has higher player count than Overwatch 2, Helldiver 2, Space Marine 2, Cyberpunk 2077...
@needo6295
6 сағат бұрын
people say ER is ds2 2, but ds2 pvp is peak and ER pvp is some of the worst in souls
@pilgrimsoul812
9 сағат бұрын
His videos are such bad takes, and I'm glad Steel pointed out how much FromSoft has done for PVP in the patches. If you don't like ER PVP fine, but stop making out FromSoft don't care because it's blatantly not true.
@ViviRavan
7 сағат бұрын
He is called Emotional Jon not Logical Jon.
@crankpatate3303
8 сағат бұрын
I think Steelovsky has a way more based and better opinion about the souls games and ER. I think emotionaljonxvx has done an extremely salty video with lack of objectiveness. He's just fed up and unleashes his frustration in this video.
@iiililll-iiilll6096
5 сағат бұрын
Ds3 a 2016 game whith 6 limit player =💯 Elden ring OPEN WORLD 2022 game 4 limit player=🤡
@ng3431
9 сағат бұрын
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@joej78
4 сағат бұрын
How long until steelmongold's "inferior cultures" moment?
@Thundersmash14
9 сағат бұрын
If they just added seamless CoOp it would fix the Elden Ring PvP problem
@GlaiveMistress
9 сағат бұрын
You do realize that seamless can be janky and unbalanced because it is a mod. If it actually was in the game it would have to be implemented from the very beginning to ensure it fits with the games progression and level design. They would have done that if the goal was to make a more coop focused experience.
@eldenlean5221
4 сағат бұрын
@@GlaiveMistress vanilla MP mechanics are wildly unbalanced and janky as it is. Seameless is just superior in every single way, including how it actually accounts for being in an open world game.
@skywalkersbutido6375
9 сағат бұрын
At least we got elden ring out of the way,now we can look forward to other strategies for development by FROM but we’ll see. I really hope the next one isn’t like this at all,I hope they do multiplayer justice. Elden is awful in this regard by design.
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