Cinturato velo on , Vredestein on one, Conti GP4000 on 2 (yes 4000). I’m moving them all to Cinturato as they need replacement. And one shares Pirelli gravel M on its second pair of wheels. I find the Pirelli cinturato a good mix of reliability and performance on the local roads. And the Gravel M is well suited to the local trails.
@rodrigopiovesana
11 ай бұрын
GP 5000 25
@josemarin2143
11 ай бұрын
Vittoria corsa pro 30mm
@taburetca
11 ай бұрын
Any, the main thing is not Pirelli, they were Slippery and slow. I like the Power cup for their price and protection and good rolling resistance, but they a little bit Slippery, not like Pirelli but still. GP5000 A good option, they are good in everything, their characteristics are evenly distributed kzitem.info/news/bejne/zYKnn6FmcKmpa5gm9s
@KeithHeinrich
Жыл бұрын
Tests were done. Conclusions were drawn. Recommendations were given. Basically they are all close so buy the one that makes you happy. 👌
@JackMott
11 ай бұрын
The tires in this test were close. But all of these are fast tires. Some tires are absolutely horrid if you are trying to win races or bike a long way.
@KeithHeinrich
11 ай бұрын
@@JackMott and there it is. The best tire is the one you love the most for whatever reason with whatever compromised you are prepared to live with. As with all things, horses for courses.
@JackMott
11 ай бұрын
@@KeithHeinrichi used to race with people who were happy with their tires but only because they were not aware they were wasting 10 watts. ignorance isnt always bliss
@KeithHeinrich
11 ай бұрын
@@JackMottat one time I rode long distances with the especially awful Continental gatorskin hardshell. 7000km without a puncture. Man they were awful. But no flats. Nowdays the Pirelli Cinturato Velo bridges the gap between a decent level of grip and performance and puncture resistance so I use those across the fleet. I'm not chasing split seconds, so these are plenty good enough and light years better than the conti's to ride on. And also no flats. The reason for the fixation on puncture protection goes back to a time I did get a puncture at the side of the road which took an hour to fix on a stupidly hot day - my first encounter with tubeless ready rims. So I have my reasons... 👍
@RicardoRocha-lg1xo
Жыл бұрын
Personally, grip is probably the factor I’m more concerned about, followed by ease of set up and puncture resistance. Rolling resistance takes a back seat to all of those… how about a grip test?
@diehardbikes
Жыл бұрын
Challenge and Vittoria would have that locked up. Handmade tires will outperform any vulcanized tire in that test. Every. Single. Time. same with a suppleness test. Comfort test.
@retardno002
Жыл бұрын
@@diehardbikesI've tried 28 mm Pirelli, Vittoria, and Continental, as well as 25 mm Schwalbe tires, my fav are the Pirellis by far for overall feature balance. I agree that the Vittoria tires have the best grip, but overall I agree that the Prielli are the best balance, with the Continental in a close 2nd. Haven't had any punctures with my Prielli in the past 3 years (P-Zero Velo) so that's gotta be worth something. I like the Vittoria compound so much that I got some chunkier 32 mm Graphenes on my commuter with some serious puncture protection, but their race tires are just a bit too fragile imo.
@diehardbikes
Жыл бұрын
@retardno002 you should try Challenge tires Strada. They are excellent tires, and they come in a 30. They are easier to mount than the Criterium RS in the video, and were the tires that sucked me into the Challenge brand, and am never looking back.
@retardno002
Жыл бұрын
@@diehardbikes thanks for the recommendation, I looked them up and I have to say I love the subtle tread pattern on them, looks grippy. Maybe when I'll get some wider rims I'll give those 30 mm a try.
@bikeradar
11 ай бұрын
That's a fair point - we did try to judge ride quality and grip subjectively, though of course it's not the same as a lab test. One to think about for next time. Thanks for watching! Simon
@revelationdetailers894
11 ай бұрын
I have been running Conti GP5000 tyres for so long and absolutely love them! Would be hard to give them up!
@beanbaguk
Ай бұрын
100% I love my GP5000 S TR's. Just upgraded to 30mm from 28mm. Love them!
@davidnicholson6680
Жыл бұрын
I'll stick with 5000 STRs. Incredibly grippy, compliant feeling and durable.
@madyogi6164
Жыл бұрын
Yep, the only drawback of Conti-s is that bloody flat edge that grows and grows with mileage. Next the sidewall "stringing" effect, when one can pull singular threads of material. But in general, great tires! This year decided to have an affair on side and picked Michelin Power Cup 25 mm, with TPU tubes. Must say - great so far (about 4k kilometers done). 1 puncture in rear wheel (piece of wire punched just aside of puncture protecting belt). Rolling great as well and got them bit cheaper.
@dakalla
Жыл бұрын
After my second pair of 5000str i am not really happy. On both i couldnt use the front tire, when the rear was done, as the two compounds of the thread started to seperate all around the tire. Front and rear. My bike is stored inside at normal temperatures. Im lightweight with around 65kg. After around 5k i need to replace. Means half a season. 5k is allright, but i would love to switch the front tire to the back, as it would take probably another 5k, but the rubber is just done from the looks and feel. Right now im trying Tufo comtura prima, really nice and grippy for wet weather. However they come very big in 31mm with 28mm printed on the tire.
@madyogi6164
11 ай бұрын
@@dakallaOh. I ride my Conti-s till the very end. Don't care about the thread etc. Just cut when it separats and that's it. On regular GrandPrix (bit cheaper ones) I did more than 20k. Yep. worn and trashed but they last.
@bikeradar
11 ай бұрын
It's a great tyre - definitely one of our favourites for it's mix of speed, ride quality and durability. Lots of good options at this level. Thanks for watching! Simon
@auswi
11 ай бұрын
I've had 2 x Giant TCR's that came with rubbish Giant tyres that were swiftly replaced with GP4000's, then GP5000's. Since switching to GP5000 STR's I have only had one major sidewall failure in about 20ks. I hit a pot hole so hard that I thought I had damaged the rim, but all it did was put a slight nick in the sidewall. Still managed to ride another 40ks home after a quick patch and inner tube. I now have a Canyon Endurace that came with Schwalbe Pro One's. They seem pretty good so far after about 2k. Wear seems good. They are 30 and 32's, so a bit more compliant and more grip. I ordered a set of Conti's to replace them when they eventually wear out (there are still stock issues in NZ), but now I'm thinking that I should probably just stick with the Schwalbe's.
@robinseibel7540
Жыл бұрын
So many groups claim their rolling resistance tests are definitive. So what makes your tests more "definitive" than others? How can a test be definitive if it tests a tire in a way that tire isn't designed to be used, for example, the way you tested tubeless tires. A good tester also examines why their test results vary from those of others when doing pretty much the same test (like the roller drum test). I guess all in all, the claim that "THIS" is the fastest road bike seems premature given the lack of analysis done.
@JackMott
11 ай бұрын
Fortunately it turns out that you do not need to worry. We know from years of testing on smooth rollers, bumpy rollers, and real roads, that the tire which is fastest on a smooth roller, is also fastest on a bumpy road, or a smooth road. The actual amounts of watts wasted while rolling will differ, but less hysteresis is less hysteresis in all situations. If tire A is faster than tire B on a smooth roller, it will also be faster on a real road. The only additional variable missing here is some tires have better aerodynamics than other, which can matter if you are really trying to split hairs.
@robinseibel7540
11 ай бұрын
@@JackMott, that's all true, except there now seems to be some difference in how tires rank on the rollers between test centers. In other words, the order of ranking is not consistent, and it seems these tests are the ones that are different.
@JackMott
11 ай бұрын
In cases where it appears two tires rank different in different roller tests, it would be either due to variations in tire construction, or errors in the testing protocol (tire pressure not controlled well enough, power measurement imperfect etc) If the difference is just ~1 watt, that wouldn't be unusual to see. @@robinseibel7540
@Azrael083
9 ай бұрын
On Bicycle Rolling Resistance the Conti has less resistance than the Pirelli? So who is right? 😄
@SamuelBlackMetalRider
11 ай бұрын
Just regularly check BICYCLE ROLLING RESISTANCE and you will know everything about the best road / gravel tires. The guy tests them all independently and reliably
@bikeradar
11 ай бұрын
Bicycle Rolling Resistance is a great website and one that we have a lot of respect for, but this is also an independent test - no one paid to be included in this test and none of the brands had any influence on the testing. We paid for the Silverstone test out of our own pocket. Thanks for watching, Simon.
@SJPMs
Жыл бұрын
I have used Schwalbe pro one TLS tyres for the last two years. Covering, in that time over 8k miles and have found them to offer decent grip in all but the very worst conditions (farm slurry), reasonable puncture protection with low rolling resistance. The only negative has been inconsistent fit. 3 out my 4 tyres seated easily enough whilst the fourth has refused to seat despite using CO2 canisters / blast pumps. When the going gets really horrible I use Vittoria N.Ext tyres that offer a supple, puncture resistant ride and roll nearly as fast as the Pro Ones.
@joea7339
8 ай бұрын
Update to my comment below: I recently purchased a set of Pirelli P Zero Race 30mm Classic's for my S5. Long story short, they are FANTASTIC and are hands down better than the 5000 S TR's I ran prior. They absolutely feel faster and the ride quality on our rough roads is like or even slightly better than a 320 TPI cotton tire. With less than 500 miles on them so far, they are my favorite tire to date. Will that stick...we shall see, but for now I love the P Zero Race TLR on my S5!!!!!
@jpdi
2 ай бұрын
I have 2500-3000 miles on p zero tlrs. They are fantastic although do not do well when ground is wet. Only one puncture but tubeless sealant worked well and no problems since.
@psnSupergrobi10
Жыл бұрын
Pirellis are so fast that UAE changed to Continental. Just listen to Pogi and Majka descend on them in Tour de Slovenia 2022 ;)
@dainiusvysniauskas2049
Жыл бұрын
And yet the sales scout group were spanked hard by Vingegaard on Corsa Pros :) :) :) :)
@diehardbikes
Жыл бұрын
@dainiusvysniauskas2049 wouldve been spanked harder if they ran Challenge. In the dry, I still can't find the turning limit of my Challenge tires. Even at pressures much higher than I should be running.
@8rk
11 ай бұрын
Pros ride whoever gives them money / free tires. Pro teams switching sponsors have nothing to do with performance or preference.
@psnSupergrobi10
11 ай бұрын
@@8rk If Pogi is not happy with the equipment, UAE will change sponsors. Who doesn't want to sponsor the second best team. Even if they offer less money, UAE doesn't care. Pogi needs to be happy and he wasn't happy with Pirelli.
@bikeradar
11 ай бұрын
I know exactly what you're talking about, but it's worth noting the Pirelli P Zero Race TLR we tested is the new Speedcore variant which was only released in spring this year. Obviously we know pros test prototype kit before its released to the public, so it's possible Pogačar and Majka *were* riding these new tyres, but it's also possible they were using the old versions, which weren't as fast or grippy, according to Pirelli. Hard to know for certain. That said, we also agree Conti makes excellent tyres and - as I say in the video - having confidence in your equipment is a really big deal. Cheers for watching! Simon
@imark9386
Жыл бұрын
I love the power cups as they are nice and wide, 28=30mm so run lower pressure, fast, great feel but harder to seat on narrow rims like 18mm but no probs on 20mm had the older Pirelli's and they are easy to fit and seat as they are very true to size
@ElRealista.
3 ай бұрын
Clincher power cup feels awesome in 28C and super easy to mount.
@Milo-wl2if
Жыл бұрын
No Veloflex, no point.
@Nicov36
11 ай бұрын
Tested both P zero race and 5000 s tr and I feel like they are both equally fast, but the Pirelli is much more puncture resistant. My 5000 s tr got two big tears in the sidewall just by riding in two different potholes... Only downside to p zero tyres is that the wear rate is quite fast in my experience.
@ElRealista.
3 ай бұрын
I am using Michelin clincher power cup and I love them. Light, fast and very comfy. Better comfort than GPs5k and Pirelli but not better than Vittoria Corsa.
@1870movie
Жыл бұрын
Performing a tubeless tire test with tubes? Did the bean counters botch the test? As a test engineer and project manager, I would have to call a foul with the project sponsor. I would have re-run the best and worst tire in the test as tubeless to verify the tube assumptions were indeed correct.
@bikeradar
11 ай бұрын
This project didn't have a sponsor - we paid for this testing out of our own pocket. Re. tubeless vs inner tubes, the data I referred to came from here: www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/specials/grand-prix-5000-s-tr-tubeless-vs-tubes I agree that in an ideal world we would have tested them set up tubeless, but quite a few of these tyres have relatively poor air retention and that would have really scuppered the test. Ultimately, we had to make a call on what was practical due to time/cost constraints (more/longer testing = more cost) and we opted to use latex inner tubes for the reasons mentioned in the video. If we'd had done the test tubeless, I've no doubt each brand would also have said we should only use their own tubeless sealant for best results, too, so it's a tricky subject with no easy answers. Cheers for watching! Simon
@mahonah
Жыл бұрын
I don't race so my priorities are puncture resistance, cost and reliability. So far I've been happy with the Continental GP5000 series of tires. I also have and use some Vittoria tires.
@onegrapefruitlover
11 ай бұрын
Cost-wise the GP5000s are more expensive than car tires 😢 I mean, not Pilot Sports kind of expensive, but still
@dixonbidenzmouth4115
11 ай бұрын
I like 5000's but I've had 4 flats on one on front wheel while the gatorskin on the rear wheel had none. What good is a tire that gets flats every few hundred miles?
@cdeluise
Жыл бұрын
Have enjoyed Goodyear Eagle F1's for a few weeks now. Very good road feel, easy TL setup, and reliable so far. Also liked Schwalbe Pro One's for the same reason.
@chasingkostas
Жыл бұрын
Best tyres for road = Conti GP 5000 220g + tpu tubes
@pakelly99
Жыл бұрын
That’s what I’m rolling, but as much as they’re night and day re punctures vs s-works turbo cottons, the dullness feels like the ride quality equivalent of a lobotomy. 🤤
@maxf43
11 ай бұрын
Great Test! I’ve run a lot of Tires and think that the Cotton casing of the Vittoria make them run much smoother. I’ve made the experience that compared e.g. to Conti 5000 they can run 0,5 bar higher pressure and still offer a smoother ride. IMHO they enable to run higher pressures buy this decreasing their rolling resistance. In future rolling tests you might be able to add another test: Making the surface the tires are spinning on rougher. By measuring the vibrations (forces) at the axis, you could quantify the dampening effects of the tires. After all, vibration losses are the next big thing, aren’t they?
@JackMott
11 ай бұрын
We know from years of testing in the industry that you don't need to do a bumpy roller test. The tire that wins the smooth roller test also wins the bumpy roller test, every time.
@peterharding1551
11 ай бұрын
I've always been sceptical about rolling resistance tests like this. A tyre which performs on a metal drum with 40kg on it may perform completely differently in the real world and on different road surfaces. There are just too many variables.
@JackMott
11 ай бұрын
Fortunately it turns out that you do not need to worry. We know from years of testing on smooth rollers, bumpy rollers, and real roads, that the tire which is fastest on a smooth roller, is also fastest on a bumpy road, or a smooth road. The actual amounts of watts wasted while rolling will differ, but less hysteresis is less hysteresis in all situations. If tire A is faster than tire B on a smooth roller, it will also be faster on a real road.
@rider65
11 ай бұрын
@@JackMott really? Don't know where you got that information but absolutely incorrect. Laboratories cannot recreate weather conditions, constant changing road conditions and surface type. Very silly statement
@JackMott
11 ай бұрын
@@rider65 You can do rolling resistance testing in the field, via the "Chung Method", also known as "Virtual Elevation". To do this you need low wind conditions, a good powermeter, and a good speed sensor (GPS is not good enough). You are welcome to read/google it and read up on it. Professionals have been using techniques like this to good effect recently, including breaking the hour record (Dan Bingam, and Filippo Ganna)
@sillypuddystl2907
11 ай бұрын
And the fastest tyre in the world will save you a whopping .07844 sec per 10k. The reality is, that if you ask anyone with 10+ years experience which top tyre from any top brand is the fastest they would tell you it makes no difference. Ask any “local” pro and he’ll tell he rides what he gets for free.
@joea7339
11 ай бұрын
Here's my 16 cents...I ride a 2023 Cervelo S5 and live in an area of Southern California where our roads are ROUGH and filled with cracks, gaps, holes and bumps. If you are familiar with the S5, you know it is a STIFF aero bike that likes to go fast. That being said, it also translates the road you're riding on directly to you, so you feel everything. I ditched the stock Reserve 52/63's for a set of Shimano Dura Ace C50 wheels. The internal width went down from 25mm on the Reserves to 21mm on the C50's, I currently run a set of 32mm Continental GP5000 S TR's and they have been rock-solid for the last 9 months. The one issue I have is ride feel, I'm not a fan of tires with lower TPI's and I much prefer a 320 TPI tire, but in my experience, they have a puncture issue, especially where I live/ride. Once the GP5000 S TR's wear out I think I'm going to try a set of Vittoria Corsa Pro 32mm's for Shitz and Giggles. I'm willing to give up some rolling resistance for more comfort...
@Wockkkyyslushieee
11 күн бұрын
32 most be so smooth especially your choice of bike is sick
@DesertTriDad
Жыл бұрын
Used the Pirelli PZero TLR for a year and went through at least 8 tires. For the last year I’ve been on various GP5000 and have only had one puncture.
@nuggunu
11 ай бұрын
I had one puncture during 4500km on the PZero TLR and Latex Tubes. But I don't have much comparison
@jarrodfife242
11 ай бұрын
I had the pirellis for 7000km but the vittorias kept puncturing so had to go back to the pirellis
@_Pet_Tech
11 ай бұрын
Same here. I'm never getting Pirellis again. I've had three punctures on my rear tyre within few months, each one was non repairable. Two weeks ago I also had a front tyre puncture and gave up on these tyres. These sell for $125 per tyre in Melbourne. I replaced them with Schwalbe Pro One TLE and so far so good.
@jarrodfife242
11 ай бұрын
@@_Pet_Tech nah pirellis we’re good for me though unlike vittorias that would never seal and plugs wouldn’t work either. I’m back on pirelli now
@alistair410
4 ай бұрын
Has anyone ever compared the results of a brand new tyre to the results of the same tyre after a breaking in period of say 100 miles?
@al-du6lb
2 ай бұрын
I would be interested in this. Good idea
@azk_182
Жыл бұрын
I used Pzero Race TLR before n always got significant losing air every week. I had to face weak side wall glue after 1 month of flat tire. After that, I changed it to Schwalbe Pro One n never faced the same issues again.
@JFomo
Жыл бұрын
Pirellis are heavy and slow. In what world did the new Vittorias get beaten by the Pirellis? I free wheel much further on my Corsa Pros than on my Pirellis. The testing conducted in this video is BS. The only good thing about the Pirellis is puncture resistance. When it comes to speed and cornering grip, I'll take the Corsa Pros all day wet or dry.
@dainiusvysniauskas2049
Жыл бұрын
Pirellis are in no way or shape slow, lol
@gaza4543
Жыл бұрын
There pretty quick but I trust a multi million pound facility and there data points over some bloke in his basement preforming tests. But having said that aero coach and him seem to have similar outcomes so don’t really know how there getting there resaults. And even they seem surprised as alluded to in the video. But bike Radar are doing are also testing in the real world br and ac don’t
@JFomo
Жыл бұрын
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 at a heavy 315g, they are piss slow. Slow at rolling and slow at acceleration. Until I changed them out for Conti GP 5K STR and currently now on Corsa Pros, I'm now much faster on my bike and the Strava numbers don't lie. The Pirellis are like sandbags compared to the conti STR and Corsa Pros. I will say one thing about and that they are bomb proof when it comes to puncture resistance. Get on the Pirellis if puncture resistance is your top priority 👌
@dainiusvysniauskas2049
Жыл бұрын
@@JFomoJokes on you - on paper, Contis are heavier (305g vs 295g for 28mm tyres). Actual weight varies by tyre on both brands, so making such claims without having measured high number of pairs from both companies is silly. But then again, it just confirms that you are just talking out of your ass
@dainiusvysniauskas2049
Жыл бұрын
@@gaza4543 The difference between BCRR/aero coach tests and real world is that people ride on flat surfaces in real world, not on small drums.
@nerigarcia7116
11 ай бұрын
I've been riding the Schwalbe Pro One (28c) for quite some time coming off Continental GP4000/5000 (28c) and S-Works Pro (26c), and I've found them to ride really smooth and fast. I have more confidence in cornering and they just feel responsive. I'm not by any means an expert but I can notice a difference in these.
@3dprintersawhiteboard401
9 ай бұрын
On the images you can see, that the corsa still has the middle rubber part, that peels off after a few km attached. This is quite pronounced at this tire and influences the results. I wonder, how the engineers would be able to not realize that....
@FL-ym6hm
Жыл бұрын
I’m going back to GP5000 tube tires next year. Ran two GP5000TR and one Vittoria NEXT this year with the same results, less than 1500 miles out of all of them. Yet zero flats, no problems setting up both brands and used a floor pump all three times. Just can’t justify the cost for the mileage. Ride quality was really good too. Just need to decide on TPU or Latex this time.
@shred3005
Жыл бұрын
Those ‘Ride Now’ and other brand TPU have gotten so cheap
@FL-ym6hm
Жыл бұрын
@@shred3005 as opposed to the name brands they sure are. May place my first Aliexpress order.
@goodeggnogg7038
7 ай бұрын
try TPU I fing them brilliant...and park tool stick on patches work a treat with them...thats if they ever puncture!
@JonFairhurst
Жыл бұрын
I’m surprised that they didn’t mention the texture of the simulated surface on the test and that they tested at 80 psi, which is above the limit for many hookless rims. Overall, I’d guess that there are way more miles of crappy tarmac than of smooth road, and an advantage of 28mm+ tubeless tires is the ability to run low pressures for bad roads. If the drum on the test fixture was smooth, the results wouldn’t translate to my typical rides.
@mjokffsgfjs
Жыл бұрын
Hookless rims aren't meant to be used in bicycle anyway, trash it and get a real rim.
@JonFairhurst
Жыл бұрын
Somebody confuses their opinions with facts and gives authoritarian commands to strangers? I must be on the internet.
@bikeradar
11 ай бұрын
Hi Jon, the Silverstone Crr rig uses a smooth drum. It's a fair point that real roads are not perfectly smooth like drums, but as things stand this is was the best option as testing Crr on 'real roads' introduces far to many variables for us to get the kind of resolution that Silverstone can achieve. It's a complicated topic, naturally, but according to research by Tom Anhalt, Crr tested on smooth drums matches real world Crr fairly well as tyre pressure increases until the so-called "break point" pressure. At this point, as you clearly know, vibrations begin to dramatically increase rolling resistance in the real world (whereas tyres keep getting faster on a smooth drum): silcavelo.eu/blogs/silca/part-4b-rolling-resistance-and-impedance This "break point" tyre pressure will be different for every tyre, surface and rider, though, so it's something you'll need to figure out for yourself - try a tyre pressure calculator by Silca or Zipp, if you haven't already. I'm not suggesting anyone go out and use 80 PSI / 5.5 BAR in the real world if that's not the optimum pressure for them - For my real world testing, for example, I went for 60 PSI / 4.1 BAR on the Hunt rims (I weigh about 65kg). The pressure chosen for the Silverstone test is arbitrary to a degree, but we imagined an 'average' rider + bike system weight of 80kg and decided that 80 PSI / 5.5 BAR would be a 'optimum' pressure for them on a good quality road. Hope that helps. Cheers for watching! Simon
@JackMott
11 ай бұрын
Fortunately it turns out that you do not need to worry. We know from years of testing on smooth rollers, bumpy rollers, and real roads, that the tire which is fastest on a smooth roller, is also fastest on a bumpy road, or a smooth road. The actual amounts of watts wasted while rolling will differ, but less hysteresis is less hysteresis in all situations. If tire A is faster than tire B on a smooth roller, it will also be faster on a real road.
@cyclesetforme90300
4 ай бұрын
@@bikeradar Smooth drum is the weakness of this lab. Brr use a small drum but there is streak on surface and so vibrations to simulate réal world. That's why I think Silverstone lab make wrong choice with there drum. They have to add roughness and results will be very différent for each tire and it could be the best lab tire test.
@philipclay8692
11 ай бұрын
I found Pirelli’s to be so slow because their damp and wet grip is awful. Came off 3 times in circumstances any other tyre would have gripped. Grip and therefore safety is way more important than rolling resistance. IMO the Pirelli’s are dangerous.
@Pablo_Coach
11 ай бұрын
100% true. Which is why I use IRC Formula PRO RBCC tubeless. Fast, reliable. safe tyres with excellent japan quality
@Carftymk
Жыл бұрын
kudos for the excellent testing conditions. i find it very curious that your results don't align with bicyclerollingresistance
@dainiusvysniauskas2049
Жыл бұрын
This was a real world condition test. bicyclerollingresistance tests are strictly lab condition and do not represent real riding conditions.
@bikeradar
11 ай бұрын
Thanks very much. We also noted the difference in our results compared to Bicycle Rolling Resistance (a great website!) - obviously our test protocol wasn't identical to theirs, and the equipment used at Silverstone is also subtly different, so that may explain the lack of alignment. It's worth noting that we only tested one sample per tyre due to cost restrictions (more time in the lab = higher costs), and there may be an element of sample variation influencing the results. I think in an ideal world we'd have tested 3 samples per tyre and averaged the results, in order to help us pick out any big anomalies. Sadly, we weren't able to do that this time, but we'll keep it in mind for future tests. Cheers for watching! Simon
@markreams3192
11 ай бұрын
Road tubeless is unreliable. Consider it lucky if even a small thorn puncture seals. You end up putting a tube in your tire dealing with messy sealant. If you want a fast rolling tire use a latex tube. If weight is your main consideration use a TPU tube. I don’t see tubeless as viable choice on the road until sealant technology improves!
@bikeradar
11 ай бұрын
Most of us at BikeRadar have good experiences with road tubeless, but it's fair to say it's not for everyone - we're also big fans of latex or TPU tubes as well, they're both great options! Cheers for watching, Simon
@Pablo_Coach
11 ай бұрын
@@bikeradar i ridind on tubeless tyres without sealant and this is the best option for me
@chris03210
11 ай бұрын
28 mm michelin power cups +tpu are the best
@denisaraujo86
3 күн бұрын
I’ve used, GP4000, GP5000, Turbo Cotton, Pirelli P Zero Race, I never tested them, but feeling and average speed, PR on Strava, for me the Pirelli was the slower tire, Turbo Cotton are the most comfortable tires and feeling fast, but GP5000 is the best overall for any kind of tarmac, now I’m getting really to use the Continental Aero 111 in F and the Continental GP5000 tdf edition on the R, would see if there’re better options. I love to hear the tires testing, I believe they are one of the most important things for bikers
@iancollins6104
Жыл бұрын
Does this machine at the Silverstone Centre measure the resistance against a flat surface or a road like surface?
@bikeradar
11 ай бұрын
Hi Ian, Silverstone's Crr rig uses an oversized steel drum. Thanks for watching! Simon
@dominicbritt
Жыл бұрын
Pzeros all the way. Awesome grip, excellent ride quality, fast and good puncture resistance. That’s my experience - and if I ever get a puncture that doesn’t seal or plug successfully , the tyre is easy to get off and fit a tube.
@tonyg3091
Жыл бұрын
My experience exactly. And they keep the pressure better than anything I have been on
@darrin2382
11 ай бұрын
So..advice please...I am a just got into cycling - 58 year old running a stock aluminium wheelset with gravel king tubed semi-slicks for winter and cruising at 17 or so mph. What 'could' I expect to see by popping on some Pirelli's, going tubeless and investing in some £1k Hunt rims? Am I going to get an extra +2 mph or just fractions of that?
@kolerezegnee3620
3 ай бұрын
A bit late but you will surely get 2 to 3 mph faster.
@tonyg3091
Жыл бұрын
The PZeros are fantastic
@UC241
13 күн бұрын
Inconclusive grayness, all choices worthy except victoria! Not specific enough for me to find worthy of my time.
@cpopte
Ай бұрын
None buys pirelli. They try for a few years now to "re enter bike market". They should stick to car tires. We don't buy those either... michelin and continental. For bikes...conti all the way. Pirelli...what an italian joke.
@wimbemong2375
9 ай бұрын
Pirelli Cinturato from October until April and when the weather gets better the Pirelli P Zero TLR.
@Chris._P._Bacon
3 ай бұрын
Also, I refuse to go Tubeless, after hearing and seeing what a nightmare they are, I absolutely not going that route. clogged valves, near impossible to repair.....nah! Good old tubes are free of any problems. And yes, my rims are tubeless ready but..........nah!
@caperider1160
11 ай бұрын
You should test different batches of the same tire to see manufacturing variations.
@hotsky83
11 ай бұрын
Very happy with my pirelli P zero which are lighter then the TLR version. Happy to see i made the right choice.
@jonathanzappala
Жыл бұрын
I'm with you on your reasoning for using tubes in the test. I am going to assume accurate tire pressure gauges were used. But with those small of margins, the data is not useful for how they perform in a tubeless set up, because each tire could interact differently with a tube. However, the main reason I don't find this information useful is BRR has years of data from far more tires with spelled out protocols to compare tires with, and you did it once with a selection only for sale right now.
@Pablo_Coach
6 ай бұрын
BRR testing tubeless tyres with sealant or tubes?
@jonathanzappala
6 ай бұрын
@@Pablo_Coach they have done a few special tests with tubes for comparison of butyl vs latex vs tpu vs tubeless, but the standard for tubeless is set up tubeless. They list the protocol for each test (tube type, how much sealant).
@jonathanzappala
Жыл бұрын
Challenge hand made open tubulars need a tire bead jack to get on, but they do stretch out with time.
@TK0808
11 ай бұрын
I use the Supersonics. The GP5000 was a great letdown for me with the sidewall breaking on almost new tyre. I used my two reserve tubes before I noticed the hole in the side. Had to ride home on the rim. First time that has ever happened to me in 25 years of cycling. No problems with the Supersonics. I weigh 80kg and have done 200km races with no issues. I just roll past the others with ease :D No flats until the cord starts showing.
@johnterry5409
Жыл бұрын
The Pirellis are also super fast sliding along the ground on corners…😂
@krbndlls
Жыл бұрын
I've got both tyres and I have to say quite the opposite. My experience with the grip on Pirellis is stellar when compared to Contis. New 5000AS almost as good as new iteration of P Zero but they cost a fortune.
@andrewcockburn7484
Жыл бұрын
@@krbndllsask pog what he thinks 🤣🤣
@nh64uk78
3 ай бұрын
What is the difference between the Schwalbe Pro One & Schwalbe Kojak?
@meibing4912
11 ай бұрын
Very happy with my 32mm 5000 STR's and Vittoria inserts. Change after 12 months no matter what. Had some punctures but my sealant saved the day every time. Now also riding with 28mm Conti 5000 ST's? (non-tubeless) with TPU. Rides fast but its somewhat harsher than expected so use on smoother roads. Some of the difference is of course due to a narrower tire and higher pressure, but its more pronounced than just that.
@SamuelBlackMetalRider
11 ай бұрын
Also Aerocoach has the CORSA PRO 4W faster than the Pirelli P Zero Race TLR 😂 Pirelli P Zero Race 1W behind the Corsa Pro and 2W behind the GP5000 STR & Michelin Power Cup TLR according the Bicycle rolling Resistance…
@froggy0162
10 ай бұрын
The best tyres are the ones you already have. Ride those suckers till they drop. Then buy new ones. Repeat.
@RobWhittlestone
6 ай бұрын
Schwalbe is not "sholby" - it is "shval-ber" It's German and means "swallow" - the bird.
@bikeradar
6 ай бұрын
We'll add this to the list of commonly mispronounced cycling things 👍
@rudyelizondo1935
11 ай бұрын
I had 2 punctures on Contis 28, switched to pirelli 28, so far smoother and fast too. We’ll see this training season.
@christerohlsson9034
Ай бұрын
I had a set of pirellis ones never again at the first drop of rain they was just dangerous
@fencep
Жыл бұрын
puncture protection! I need to trust my tire.
@mlee6050
11 ай бұрын
I never knew tubeless need time to seal but I enjoy 22mm tubular at 100psi, don't see why go wide and lose aerodynamic
@urouroniwa
11 ай бұрын
Lately riding Panaracer Agilist, which are probably not that well known outside of Japan. They are *very* light and I really like they way they feel on dry pavement. Where they let down a bit is with grip on wet pavement. At least in Japan, they are quite a bit cheaper than a lot of the other tyres and worth a look if you are a fair weather rider.
@daisyseptimus561
11 ай бұрын
I'm using Panaracer RACE A EVO 4
@carlochannel5027
11 ай бұрын
Love this videos, thanks!!!!
@paulcuthbert
3 ай бұрын
I've tried to upgrade from Schwalbe Ones to Pro Ones on different bikes, and both the tubed and TLE versions had sidewall failures, right at the join where the bead is - so impossible to plug! I'm not sure if they have a recommended weight limit (I'm 190cm and my weight is 95-100kg) but never had the same issue with the Schwalbe Ones. I have them on all 3 of my bikes now, and although they aren't just as supportive as the Pro Ones, they're still better than other tyres I've tried - and so durable with great puncture protection. And the tan sidewalls on 50mm carbon rims look SO good!
@Tricyklist
2 ай бұрын
The fastest tire is the one which didn't puncture. The slowest is the one that did. They should have banned wheel changes in racing decades ago. Now all tires would be fully puncture proof. They didn't. So choosing tires is still a complete lottery.
@davidmccarthy4395
Ай бұрын
Well there’s 11 minutes I can never get back
@razorree
6 ай бұрын
you could test some training (a bit cheaper) tires as well, like Pirelli P Zero Road ?
@Jewishkowboy
11 ай бұрын
Love the 5000’s. Great tread life and puncture protection
@dperreno
Жыл бұрын
I wanted to get the GP 5000s last year but they were unobtainium at the time, so I got the Pirellis. They installed flawlessly and have been trouble-free. I will continue to use them!
@frozerekmeyata4091
11 ай бұрын
Now the Pirellis are unobtainable and over $80 a tire! I'm not paying almost as much as a car tire for a damn bicycle tire. The cheapest one in this test is the Goodyear Eagle F1 which can be found for $52.
@dperreno
11 ай бұрын
@@frozerekmeyata4091 Yep. I didn't have any choice, really, so I had to pay thru the nose for those Pirellis. Ouch! (but they have been great tires)
@secretagent86
5 ай бұрын
I use gp5000 with laytex tubes.. but they can be a bugger to mount.. depends on the individual tire
@charliedillon1400
5 ай бұрын
@@secretagent86 Remounted some well worn Conti 5K on a new wheelset the other day and I had to practically tear the fingerprints off my hands to mount them. Tried using levers but almost tore the sidewall. Got them on finally, but on the side of the road it would've sucked real bad.
@Olimorveu
Жыл бұрын
Weren't Pirelli's part of a recall recently?
@bikeradar
11 ай бұрын
Yes, that's right - we've covered that here: www.bikeradar.com/news/pirelli-p-zero-race-tlr-recall/
@mikeburton8426
11 ай бұрын
Something to be said about Pirelli customer service also. They recalled their 28mm tire and introduced a process for replacing them. Fast, efficient, friendly well done. I’ve been a Conti GP rider for more than a decade, whenever it was that everybody switched from Michelin. I would say with my recent experience with Pirelli vs Conti… I’ll be buying Pirelli as first choice of road tire.
@andremaxx3169
11 ай бұрын
I had the Pirelli which recalled, i switched back to the GP5000 S TR, it's not that i don't like the Conti's but with the Pirelli's i had a bit more trust in cornering and the tire feels incredible on every road, with a bit more damping and slightly better grip. I will switch back to the Pirellis when this pair is gone... I am on 28mm and tubeless...
@cmarnold78
10 ай бұрын
@@andremaxx3169 Interesting - I currently have the GP5000s maybe I'll give them a try next.
@cmarnold78
10 ай бұрын
Interesting - what are the differences you notice?
@mikeburton8426
10 ай бұрын
@@cmarnold78 I think the Pirelli customer service won me over. But I also have been used to Conti’s being excellent tires, and I’m sure they still are, but 1- that released that really unfortunate line of tubeless tires that were almost impossible to fit and I’ve found more recently that they seem to flat more easily. I used to be concerned about Conti sidewalls but now even the vectran liner may be less robust? This hasn’t been a real experiment as part of this was switching to 30’s over 25’s and 28’s.
@taburetca
11 ай бұрын
The problem with the test is that you are using latex, latex is the same in speed if you compare tube tires with latex and TL tire with sealing. Затем вы вводите текст в шину TLR. It behaves differently, the pressure is distributed differently, so tires that are designed for TL showed poor results. Pirelli it's real Slippery and slow tire, even the riders they sponsor talk about it (they shouted during the descent section) Although they are forbidden to say such things about sponsors kzitem.info/news/bejne/zYKnn6FmcKmpa5gm9s
@jeroenberger1422
6 ай бұрын
Grip comes first, especially in the wet, and for that, after years of riding them on really bad roads, read typical Belgian concrete roads, only the Corsa Control's for me. Amazing cornering grip in the dry and just outstanding grip in the wet. Prove me otherwise. I run them tubeless in 28 and 30 on 22 internals, seal them with standard no tubes milk. Sometimes a small puncture, but nothing the milk won't seal. Never had any big issues, just one time the profile came loose of the carcass after installing the tire back after a few months, got it covered through Mantel and received a new one. Need to pump them every two days. Use 60 ml sealant per tire. For my weight, 84k's now, 30 mm's; in the back 4,1 bar, in the front 3,8. Ok, they maybe won't last as long as some other tires, but what the heck, grip grip grip. All the rest of that 2W rolling resistance crap at 40Kph > train harder.
@awildcyclistappears
7 ай бұрын
Doesn't matter for me, since I prefer durability of Conti GP 5000 STR 700x30 over Pirelli P-Zero that for me was (and probably still is) puncture magnet.
@gregorytitcume6486
7 ай бұрын
This test is not accurate as you haven't tested tyres like for like eg the equivalent Goodyear tyre vs Continental GP5000 S TR id the Goodyear F1 Super sport R
@tobimaxx
8 ай бұрын
Funny, I was riding Pirelli tyres Road and Race and I bought some Vittoria Corsa Control. I had the same experience riding the Vittoria. I thought it was me as I couldn’t figure out out why everything felt sluggish. I also have some Challenge tyres and can confirm they are a pig to put on. In saying that they ride quite nicely, and once they have been on a while they stretch making it easier to get on and off.(But rims play a part too). I also use the Pirelli Road in size 32 on my gravel bike. Rode many hundreds of Kms on Italian white gravel without any punctures. Just my take
@JW-hj6sd
11 ай бұрын
is this material sponsored by pirelli???? In independent tests, rolling resistance looks different
@bikeradar
11 ай бұрын
Hi, this test was not sponsored by Pirelli or anyone else - we paid for the rolling resistance testing at Silverstone out of our own pocket. BikeRadar is 100% independent and any sponsored content on this channel or on our website will always be clearly marked as such. Thanks for watching, Simon
@AR-lz2br
11 ай бұрын
I used a pair of tubeless Pirelli P Zero Race TLR and they wore out so fast. and on both, rear and front , the rubber that makes contact with pavement started to peel off when they still had 30% life left . I replace the rear one with a GP5000 and left the front one, but even the front one started to peel off 2 months later. I paid more than $100 for each tire and they are just garbage!
@nelsonsilva6842
Жыл бұрын
No mention of Michelin, no mention of wet grip, I doubt that the Pirelli were slow but Pogacar still called sh*t tires because of wet grip. I really like michelin because i do not puncture, they are light, cheap and grip very well in all conditions! Also i like a brand that consistently is the best in tires and does not need to be endorsing every channel in the world. Pirelli and others on the other hand...
@bikeradar
11 ай бұрын
Hard to talk about every single tyre we tested without this video becoming overly long, but we did think the Michelin Power Cup TLR was great - it scored 4 out of 5 stars, earning itself a place on our buyer's guide to 'the best road bike tyres': Review: www.bikeradar.com/reviews/components/tyres/road-bike-tyres/michelin-power-cup-tlr-tyre-review/ Tyre's buyer's guide: www.bikeradar.com/advice/buyers-guides/best-tubeless-road-tyres/ Also worth pointing out that the Pirelli tyre we tested was the new 'Speedcore' version that was released earlier this year, after Pogačr and his team had already switched to Continental tyres. That's not to say he hadn't tested them in prototype form - and he'd certainly be able to push tyres far harder than we can, no arguments there - but just pointing it out that he may have been using the old versions when he made that comment. Thanks for watching! Simon
@nelsonsilva6842
11 ай бұрын
@@bikeradar well said, but after reading the both reviews, you mention wet grip in the Michelin but not in the Pirelli one. This was critical for the Pirelli tire as you can imagine not only because of what was said but also for what was seen. You say Italian, but this company was bought by the Chinese government and this year was the year when it is completely owned by said government! Government that does not play by the same rules as ours in Europe. A tire that is 40 to 50 grams heavier then the competition in some cases! At least last time and after endorsing continental tires for so much time you went to the lab and saw Michelin were the best. (No Michelin does not need to be best always!) In the end and if believing in what is written in the reviews that one is tested for wet grip and other is not, I think we can say that there is no need to read the other tire reviews.
@dainiusvysniauskas2049
11 ай бұрын
@@nelsonsilva6842 Eh, I'll consider Michelin tyres when they stop sticking to outdated ETRTO standard. 28mm tyre measuring over 30mm on modern wheels and having a narrow thread is just no bueno.
@nelsonsilva6842
11 ай бұрын
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 Fair enough, but just consider that wider tires to a certain extent are 1 of numerous recent ways the industry wants you spend more money! An industry well known to have excessive high prices on everything and almost does not offer anything to the people that do not have a lot of money! Always the puncture problem, always the puncture problem, run a little higher pressure and you'll never have a puncture again. Go ask this year tour winner why he used 25mm tires of the climbs, where he really won the tour along his 2x, (he did not win because of his 1x) go ask Van Der Poel why he uses tires with 160tpi to have a plush ride with high pressure on MTB. By the way don't which brand you like but it must good on the wet, otherwise it can ruin your race/ride that is why I insisted on this point! I think this is enough and you understand my point.
@MarcoVreeburg-g7z
9 ай бұрын
Michelin Power Cups with tpu Pirelli Smartube is for me on my Dura Ace wheels a superb combination. Very fast, grippy even in the wet, durable, lightweight (far less than the lightest tubeless tire), comfortable…yes for me the best💪
@cokebottles6919
6 ай бұрын
Tires are complicated. Another big factor is how compliant the sidewalls are, something that complies to bumps better is arguably an even bigger deal on many roads
@carlcole9026
6 ай бұрын
can the differences be explained to Bicyclerollingresistance tests?? The test parameters are pretty close, at least the trend should be about the same...but it is not????
@onegrapefruitlover
11 ай бұрын
The Vittorias don’t surprise me being at the bottom. I ran a pair that got destroyed after 7 different flats on a single 100km ride on average roads. In terms of feel, they felt harsh and not any faster than cheap tyres. Not impressed.
@scottvessey915
11 ай бұрын
I'd rather have tyres which grip, have good resistance to punctures, that I can get off and on the rim, and last longer. Performance is less important than all of those.
@rolfeaalto7387
11 ай бұрын
It's been demonstrated multiple times that the rolling resistance rigs fail to measure what matters in the real world -- the suppleness of the sidewalls that allow the tires to deform and absorb shock without losing energy to flex. There's a reason that so many people run Rene Herse tires.
@tmayberry7559
10 ай бұрын
How wide were the rims( external and internal)? That makes a big difference between stated width and actual width on the rim For example I have some conti 28 that measure out to 24 mm on the rim
@Pablo_Coach
6 ай бұрын
Why don’t You test new 2023 IRC Formula Pro RBCC tubeless? Very high quality Japan tyres!
@screwb1882
10 ай бұрын
The slowest tires are flat ones. While I value rolling resistance as a non racer I am not about to have to replace my tires 4 times a year or be sitting on the side of the road fixing a tire to do it.
@jempanuncialman9361
11 ай бұрын
I'm thinking if you want much lower rolling resistance try to less the grip..because grip can cause of more contact on pavement..
@Dee-Ell
11 ай бұрын
I have no complain about the Schwalbe Pro One. Excellent tyres overall. Michelin Power Cup is great too but significantly harder to mount on my SLR1 wheels -- I had to use a compressor, while a track pump does the job for the Pro One. Both are significantly more affordable than the Conti and the Vittoria. Given the marginal RR difference, I choose tyres that are more affordable.
@Anon.User.602
7 ай бұрын
Perhaps not many know that Specialized started to make tires first, then bikes came as a by-product :D
@pakelly99
Жыл бұрын
Segue, but while SL8 teams are running older version roval clx wheelsets re weight saving (and smaller frontal area?), does anyone happen to know what width S-Works turbo cottons (or 2BR’s) they’re running? 28?
@JordyJayHomer
11 ай бұрын
For beginners who aren't aware (and if it wasn't emphasized), buying speed, grip and suppleness/feel in a race tyre usually comes at the cost of a bigger price tag, less puncture protection, and much quicker wear
@leedouglas7080
11 ай бұрын
I used to use the Victoria but they just kept splitting or losing pressure when tubeless. A long time favourite is Schwalbe Pro One, I'd still be using them if the Pirelli wasn't such a good tyre, outstanding.
@spartanbike2260
Жыл бұрын
you tested with a smooth drum . #FAIL. go look at the results from aerocoach or bicycle rolling resistance.
@patrickliew2222
2 ай бұрын
There is no such thing as which tyre is fast. It is the person who used it.
@al-du6lb
2 ай бұрын
The person is the most important, but there is slight differences..
@l.d.t.6327
8 ай бұрын
9:36 we are 2024 and you still fail to interprete lab tests vs. real world tests. Deep, deep sigh. Every single tire that has a low TPI, will perform better on a steel drum in the lab than in real life. And every single tire that has a high TPI (Vittoria), will perform worse on a steel drum compared to the low TPI tires, but will perform better than the lab tests would like you to believe, in the real world. The reason is that a high TPI tire can mitigate / absorb much more road vibrations, giving you a silky smooth ride (e.g. rough asphalt) compared to low TPI tires. Lab tests with steel drums do NOT take this into account and are NOT to be seen as representative for real world situations. The fact you are ignoring this common wisdom make me believe this is a paid advertisement.
@bikeradar
8 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for your comment. Worth saying up front that this test (like all of our reviews) was 100% independent and no one paid to be included. BikeRadar's reviews are not, have never been and will never be for sale. Re. the high TPI vs low TPI thing - I was aware of that as a potential issue, but there's no such thing as a perfect test. Unfortunately, testing tiny differences in rolling resistance outside in the real world is too difficult to be practical - hence why we opted for a lab test, to ensure we captured consistent, reliable data. Even so, it's worth noting that the Challenge Criterium RS tyre - a 350 TPI, unvulcanised cotton tyre - performed exceptionally well in the lab test, finishing second overall by only a tiny margin. So, unfortunately, the evidence doesn't support the claim that "every single tire that has a high TPI (Vittoria), will perform worse on a steel drum compared to the low TPI tires". As noted in the video, though, I would agree the lab test isn't the be all and end all of tyre performance - other factors, such as real world grip, comfort, etc. do matter too. As ever, we simply tried to be balanced and provide a good mix of objective and subjective testing so you and the rest of our wonderful audience can be better informed. Thanks, Simon
@l.d.t.6327
8 ай бұрын
@@bikeradarthanks for such an elaborative answer, much appreciated! I reckon the rubber compound is a major factor in steel drum tests, while, sadly, the suppleness of a tire (as mentioned as 'TPI') isn't taken enough into account in a steel drum test, while it is likely to make a difference in real world tests. So the challenge can have a very good compound for the steel drum test while the Vittoria hasn't, but that in itself doesn't take in all of the real life influences such as road surface.
@rct8884
11 ай бұрын
Fwiw, in my experience, I have had good results using the Conti TT's tubeless with Silca Ultimate sealant.
@adccars359
11 ай бұрын
The rolling resistance seems to be higher than the original gp5k with latex. 😂 Whats going on here?😂😂
@buddyfleurwensink5152
Жыл бұрын
Vredestein superpasso…
@ralphc1405
5 ай бұрын
WOW finally someone other than me uses Vreds! I loved the Fortezza Xtreme so much I bought several NOS pairs.
@McGnarly76
11 ай бұрын
Lose the cheesy background music while you’re speaking next time.
@_Pet_Tech
11 ай бұрын
I've had way to many punctures with the P Zero TLRs. I can't recommend these tyres. Recently I switched to Schwalbe Pro One TLE and so far no puncture yet but it's too early to tell. IMO Pirellis sell for more than what they are worth it here down under.
@dainiusvysniauskas2049
11 ай бұрын
Didn't have any punctures or leaks on my 26mm TLRs
@carltonholmes8061
Жыл бұрын
I always keep a spare tube just incase, but have never needed to use in 4 yrs of tubeless road tyres and only once on Tubeless mtb in 10yrs.
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