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@ADRIFTHIPHOP
Ай бұрын
at 10:30 you spoke about something that seems applicable to the choices you have made about this channel...... why does this channel matter? are you adding valuable energy to humanity or are these click baiter yaps perpetuating the fear machine. It used to be really good, now it is a draining spiritually harmful negative slush pump frickin fear mongering click baiting monkey train, a Spiderman meme in a house of mirrors. I used to actually believe you wanted to help people now its just another one of those....disappointed in the changes sir
@scotchbarrel4429
Ай бұрын
Tom mate, its time to lay off the caffeine, all this scaremongering is not good for your health 😂
@obitooftheworld6761
Ай бұрын
Hey Tom, but you contacted me a week ago with that great opportunity
@BennyLC79
Ай бұрын
Since the 💉 everything changed
@bobweatababyitzaboi
Ай бұрын
😊
@veganandlovingit
Ай бұрын
my life is already weird
@Dominicano809_
Ай бұрын
Mine as well
@MG-iu2nn
Ай бұрын
Keep in mind to focus on the clit. 😁❤️
@dougg1976
Ай бұрын
Ditto
@henrythegreatamerican8136
Ай бұрын
No weirder than RFK salivating over a bear cub he scraped off the street
@drSamovar
Ай бұрын
ikr?....
@gubzs
19 күн бұрын
48:53 "The only hope we have, and this is ultra dystopian, is that people just try to remain distracted by entertainment and don't care that their lives aren't getting better." Tom that's already the world we live in. The vast majority of people live that way right now.
@ampdev3270
19 күн бұрын
I will never buy harribo gummies because of that loud advertisement in the middle of this video. there you go algorithm, read this.
@lilchef2930
7 күн бұрын
Boycotting!!
@frankwhite1816
Ай бұрын
Love Bostrom! So intelligent and calm. Thanks for having him on! Mahalo!
@FamilyYoutubeTV-x6d
3 сағат бұрын
why is calm good necessarily? I feel like this perpetuates certain biases (meek and mild-mannered people only in AI, which probably relates to the dystopia they are creating)
@LostToPixels
Ай бұрын
OK, I'm fine with some people that just NEED to have challenging work or 'purpose', but I myself never felt the need to chase these goals or fulfilments. I have many hobbies and interests like reading books, watching movies, playing video games etc. and if I never had to work again a day in my life from tomorrow I would still have VERY fulfilled life and still lack at least a few hours a day for doing everything I'd like to do that day...
@snowflakemelter7171
Ай бұрын
Yes but people need resources i.e. money to do things like that.
@flickwtchr
Ай бұрын
I think it is so sad that so many people are buying the absolute snake oil that the AI revolution is going to deliver to the masses a life of abundance free of work. It is just mind numbing Utopian nonsense.
@davidbuderim2395
27 күн бұрын
Agreed. 168 hrs per week, about 70hrs per week for sleep/body maintenance, about 50hrs per week for work(including some travel time) leaves about 50 hrs per week for leisure. Plus annual leave. I mostly enjoyed work, but I lived for my outside interests - and I had plenty of time for them even working full time. Retired at 50 - 20 years ago - living the dream.
@leoniebachmann2677
Ай бұрын
If you live in the UK the end of humanity has already started.
@MG-iu2nn
Ай бұрын
Turkey will give shelter to new refugees. 🙏❤
@steve.k4735
Ай бұрын
I do it hasn`t .. no revolt has ever succeeded in History unless the Army and Police either themselves revolt or at minimum step aside France 1789 the King does not call the army in Russia 1917 the army in St Petersburg itself revolt's, which is why Hitlers Beer Hall Putsch 1934 fails the police / army suppress his attempt .. so far the state has only used the lightest touch of police armed with sticks and plastic shields, you really push and firearms will start being used and many people will die, its not good but we are a long way from any `end`
@arandmorgan
Ай бұрын
I live in the UK, I don't care. As long as humanity survives as a whole.
@dreamstate5047
Ай бұрын
🙁🤍🫂
@abbynormal7389
Ай бұрын
UK is a good example of a Slippery Slope re: immigration ❤
@OlSCrabs
15 күн бұрын
We already live in what would have been considered a sci-fi dystopia, even just 20 years ago.
@flickwtchr
Ай бұрын
Tom can't comprehend that there are humans who have lived fulfilling lives outside of the hustle entrepreneur culture. Especially for those living in countries that have a sane society with healthcare available to most citizens, affordable housing, etc. Yes such places have existed, and still exist on this Earth. But the libertarian and neoliberal austerity pushers are determined to turn those countries into something that resembles what has become historic inequality in the US where the 1% wrings every last drop of money from everyone else, no matter how much misery it causes the masses.
@constantineskourlis6551
Ай бұрын
spot on
@davidtyer2373
Ай бұрын
Wow you nailed a deep idea that I agree with to an extent. However, unless you are simply taking potshots at the competitive male culture, let's not forget that in cases and places where the fulfilled humans live, they DO depend on some level of interaction with society, and can't just be the elves in Tolkien leaving middle earth...dare I say also that this might be why Tolkien wrote the elves (or at least Peter Jackson interpreted) as having that inner social conflict regarding their allegiance to the corrupt world of men. Although I look up to the competitive world of men who derive their purposes from taking a wife and pushing their DNA into the next generation based on competing on any level society will tell them is the requirement for measuring up, I personally am interested in competing only with myself, and for this reason, I will have no problem finding purpose in a post jobs world, assuming I survive the unstable times to get there. Importantly, I'm not against the male competition, as I am concerned that without them the human species goes too soft in the long run. I can only hope that prepping culture will provide the barter systems and other localized systems that will enable the competitive males to continue to find purpose and meaning as we move further into the abyss we find ourselves sinking in now. Imo, a great hope of mine is that the military of the medium far future can enable society to re-coalesce around learning purpose through discipline that focuses on personal improvement no matter how good we are relative to the giga-masses of future human societies. That the military isn't fundamentally tied to being focused on growth based profit systems, gives me particular hope, much as in how Starfleet works in Star Trek. In sum, I sometimes wonder if Roddenberry didn't get some ideas from advanced aliens that may be treating us with their own prime directive currently.
@davidtyer2373
Ай бұрын
I see that my first reply muddies the exception I took to your core criticism, which seems to be aimed at the 1 percenters. I do agree that certain systems they've put in place have been like funnels, and those funnels have drastically narrowed in recent decades. However, as Nate Hagins(sp?) channel points out about his "great simplification" our problems are not going to go away simply by revolting against the 1%. He is right that although Elon says and thinks a lot of great things, the idea that the earth can support 80 billion people is not one of them. I understand that Elon is in part trying to overcorrect for the current population collapse situation...yes people should have kids...imo people will have kids again when society enables them not to be liabilities, or else we devolve into a dog eat dog world, probably due to Nate's "Mordor economy" concept. Hopefully this clarifies my difference relative to your position.
@HedgeFundCIO
Ай бұрын
Those countries f@cking suck.
@cliffvandersluis1112
Ай бұрын
Interesting that you lump libertarians with neoliberal and the 1%? You do realize that those are one and the same in the context that I assume your using here right? What do you believe libertarians are about?
@frankwhite1816
Ай бұрын
There is more to life than business and goal achievement, Tom. Believe it or not. Many things can bring people meaning and joy. Try growing a garden, reading a book, walking at sunset, cooking a great meal with friends and family, or just singing a song? Your worldview is so hyper-goal-oriented. It's made you very successful and kudos, no doubt, but what are you missing? As regards AI - narrow AI could be great for human civilization as regards relieving the burden of labor but AGI or ASI is not recommended. Too many unknowns.
@maggo9494
Ай бұрын
And the only reason you can afford such a simple mindset is because there were a lot of driven people like Tom who build the world you are living in. If everyone would think like yourself, nobody could afford these luxuries. Its fine to have these priorities but be sure to remember that the ONLY reason you can afford to have them is because many other hard working people laid the groundwork.
@robdoubleyou4918
22 күн бұрын
I’d have to agree. So much effort in our society (education, Calvinist work ethic teaching, parental and societal expectations) goes to turning children into productive workers. One could imagine a future where different goals are instilled. Perhaps the goal of making others happy through your efforts instead of bread-winning money competition.
@nickidaisydandelion4044
22 күн бұрын
Oh I'm so glad to see all of you light workers and Indigos coming into the discussion this gives me hope.
@Nanohamage
21 күн бұрын
@@maggo9494 the people you talk about are nothing like tom they are people who are drowning in debt or coming from rly poor background having to work all day every day those are the people that maintain your society and "nice things" you afford
@EmeraldView
17 күн бұрын
Yes Tom is hyperfocused on the things that have destroyed this world and the future of humanity. Kudos to him and for helping other people to be misfocused and working to destroy the world.
@johnbuckner2828
Ай бұрын
He needs an AI generated beach scene on his green screen. And he should wear a Hawaiian shirt.
@naturalyogi
Ай бұрын
That thumbnail and title are so inspirational and not click baity at all. I feel so uplifted right now. Next I am going to watch a video about Panamanian foot fungus to really start the day right.
@egyptianhebrew91
Ай бұрын
@@naturalyogi my thoughts also, I was thinking I might have learned something. The 5 ads and many commercials were better.
@ElectricEric2030
Ай бұрын
00:46 🛡 The Future of AI & Society 03:42 📚 Defining Utopia 05:49 🤔 The Value of Human Life in a Solved World 09:33 🤖 The Pursuit of Happiness & Purpose 11:02 🛡 The Importance of Purposeful Striving 14:42 💼 The Impact of Utopia on Human Nature 19:05 🤖 The Potential of AI in the Next 3-5 Years 20:46 🛡 The Probabilistic View of AI's Future 23:03 ⚠ The Singularity & Intelligence Explosion 28:08 🤖 Adapting to the Future of AI 31:16 🛡 The Uncertainty of the Future & the Need for Short-Term Strategies 33:04 📊 The Potential for a Post-Human Future 36:43 🚀 Trajectories & the Future of AI Development 41:44 🌪 The Bifurcation of Humanity & the Rise of AI 43:11 🚀 The Impact of AI on Society & the Potential for Polarization 46:26 🚀 The Impact of AI on Society & Humanity 51:03 🤖 The Potential for Dystopia & Utopia 53:25 📚 The Impact of AI on Culture & Society 56:09 🚀 Automation & Job Displacement 1:00:02 🚀 Economic Growth & Utopia 1:00:21 🚀 Medical Breakthroughs & Human Upgrades 1:04:07 🚀 Neurotechnology & Utopia 1:05:30 🚀 The Possibility of Simulated Reality & the Future of Humanity 1:09:11 🏆 The Importance of Purpose & Meaning in a Technologically Advanced World 1:12:24 🤖 The Ethics of Artificial Intelligence & Consciousness 1:14:05 🤖 Moral Status of AI & Animals 1:17:12 🛡 The Simulation Hypothesis & Moral Obligations 1:19:02 📚 AI & Creativity 1:21:19 📝 The Ethics of AI & Data Sharing 1:23:14 🤖 The Human Condition & the Fear of Consequences 1:24:34 💡 The Concerns of Ilia Setk & the Need for AI Safety 1:25:29 💡 The Need for Alignment & the Value of Values
@RykGood
Ай бұрын
I really hope you used AI to create this. It would definitely be befitting.
@Gallowglass7
Ай бұрын
@@RykGood He did
@theagileadventure5029
16 күн бұрын
This might be my favorite interview Tom has done to date. He’s speechless.
@TuringTestFiction
23 күн бұрын
Great interview. I really like how Bostrom carefully thinks through possibilities that most people unfortunately dismiss as ridiculous.
@lostinbravado
Ай бұрын
Remember, the universe is the limit. Not just the Earth. We live in a bigger forest than just this one planet.
@nickidaisydandelion4044
22 күн бұрын
Only the few people like yourself who recognize this fact are free from the shackles of society.
@TheMrCougarful
19 күн бұрын
No, we do not.
@thegringoscottproductions1699
19 күн бұрын
There will also be limitations to the machines. We can make games and play there.
@EmeraldView
17 күн бұрын
What makes you so sure?
@lostinbravado
14 күн бұрын
@@EmeraldView it's a shame we're still so primitive it's not considered madness to ask if we're sure we live in a universe.
@anthonyfongo5697
Ай бұрын
Tom is the Temu of podcasters.
@floatingchimney
20 күн бұрын
Mommy I want Joe Rogan podcast. We have Joe Rogan at home. Joe Rogan at home.
@VOORHEES27
13 күн бұрын
Lol
@SKGFindings
Ай бұрын
Someone on TV has only to say, ‘Alexa,’ and she lights up. She’s always ready for action, the perfect woman, never says, ‘Not tonight, dear.
@mbratchie1
Ай бұрын
Alexa, make me a sandwich. 💀
@albertlevins9191
Ай бұрын
Funny, but gross. She will be more enticing in the future. Always ready. Yeah. 👍
@jessethompson4019
Ай бұрын
I find it odd how purpose and meaning will be affected negatively, there will be plenty of projects that everyone could choose to partake in like planet creations to things like art or have a mixture of leisure or just have leisure, whatever is wanted, I can't see purpose and meaning being lost when there is so much to explore and accomplish with the restraint of survival being lifted by ai
@stephenwalters4687
Ай бұрын
If you pay attention, the AI algorithm will show your Self, who you are.
@ninobrown9564
Ай бұрын
Yea its definitely either reading my mind or it's already a part of me
@VOORHEES27
13 күн бұрын
Not the youtube algorithm. It's a left wing indoctrination maximizer
@Blate1
Ай бұрын
I can’t decide if I’m disappointed or relieved that Nick Bostrom has never heard of Isekai
@denjamin2633
21 күн бұрын
It was a weird sentence that I was not prepared for, even though he had been obliquely explaining full dive vr for like 20 minutes by that point.
@HaikesXO
Ай бұрын
The irony is we’re currently struggling with the problem their predicted in the future
@JohnConstantineRTP
Ай бұрын
Finally! A guest with actual understanding of A.I.
@Zleec
Ай бұрын
AI sure, but he is wrong on AGI. See the work of David Deutsch in order to learn why.
@Retsy257
Ай бұрын
What he doesn’t say is scarier than what he does say
@spocksdaughter9641
22 күн бұрын
@@Retsy257read that sentence twice and GOT it. I agree
@LemonMan91
18 күн бұрын
@@Zleec What qualifies you to assert that David Deutsch is right? lol
@beng4647
Ай бұрын
Rich people have no idea how weird it gets
@spocksdaughter9641
22 күн бұрын
TOM appreciated you focused on good questions and Let him talk! Aware of his name but never heard him speak. Thank you. We need to hear lots of voices
@thejunglejag
Ай бұрын
Usually I feel rather alone with my reflections about the future. It is refreshing to listen to intelligent people exchanging about these topics. It makes me feel like perhaps I am not crazy (not sure if that is fortunate or not, though). Watching a one hour video (I speed up a little) isn’t always a waste of time. Thanks for this, you both have done something useful. And that is not nothing whilst there is still room for purpose and meaning.
@johnscott2964
Ай бұрын
Our future meaning must come from interpersonal and creative experiences. We won't be needed for production of material things. We'll need to paint paintings, write books and poetry, compose and play music. "Made by humans" will be the new sign of exclusivity. Perhaps most importantly, we'll need to learn to love each other.
@zando5108
27 күн бұрын
This guy is living my personal idea of a perfect life - just thinking writing speculating all the crazy outcomes and consequences of future scenarios for a living!
@futurehistory2110
24 күн бұрын
I guess when you consider how much the world changed between the late 1800s and mid-1900s (i.e. the rise of cinema, radio, cars, TV, airplanes and eventually space travel), it's not surprising that we too will live through extraordinary changes. That said, AI will likely be a bigger change than anything yet.
@novusrex9809
Күн бұрын
You think 2020,s-2100,s will see greater advance then 1880,s to 1960,s?
@nickidaisydandelion4044
22 күн бұрын
11:03 I don't understand this type of existential crisis fear. But thank you Tom for explaining this in more detail what you are afraid of in terms of AI take over. I view it this way: When people are not enslaved anymore into this labor force exploitation society then they actually now have the chance to learn new things and they have the chance to read a lot of books. This is amazing. This will open people up to making their own art works and creating their own personal homes. People will learn what existence is actually about and that we all are here to learn and unfold.
@davidestarman
Ай бұрын
I guess I've become tired of these kind of conversations. Go outside in the sun, move and enjoy your body, read inspiring books, create art.... explore the energy of love, connection... Our lives are governed by the sun, light and no amount of trying to lift us out of this relationship will deliver...
@josephsmith9130
Ай бұрын
Subject: The human condition. Through the course of human history, humanity has made advancements in inventions and technology. However the human condition of greed, corruption, violence and power seeking continues. Humanity needs to seek a high level.
@scottk1525
Ай бұрын
Why is literally every video on this channel about how the world is ending?
@EsotericDichotomy
Ай бұрын
It gets clicks!! These topics interest lots of people!
@ourdan14
Ай бұрын
Because most people live in fear so it attracts them because they see only dangers in future rather than possibilities
@TheAncientOneOfDays
Ай бұрын
Because, these droids are testing out how we react to watching biomachines talk
@scottk1525
Ай бұрын
@@EsotericDichotomy I get that, but this channel used to be about improving oneself. Now it's just panic porn. Kind of a drastic change of niche there.
@cleanerclimate278
Ай бұрын
@@scottk1525 - tom mentioned in one of his recent clips that he was shelving the mindset narrative and going hard right into being the change that’s critical to offset the hard left train. I agree, it does seem that he’s gone full audience capture given the hockey stick rise in subs/clicks.
@ericlogan6159
Ай бұрын
No, Energy must be number 1, self replicate general robotics 2, Food, clothing, housing. All this must be built and given away. This will draw people to this way of life.
@henrikwolter5624
Ай бұрын
Im a fan of Nick Bostrom, and this is a great podcast. But he should start to watch Star Trek. When everything is said and done on this giant hurling rock. There's only one way. Space exploration. Let's go! 🚀
@flickwtchr
Ай бұрын
I can almost guarantee you won't be one of them, unless you have a LOT of money and are in the circle of power of the coming authoritarian government. Most of us will be living in a dystopian hell.
@HeWhoRoamsAimlessly
Ай бұрын
We are the borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ship. Resistance is futile. You, will be assimilated.
@fromduskuntodawn
Ай бұрын
@@HeWhoRoamsAimlesslySad thing is, what if the Borg is indeed us? Like that is what we as sapiens become. Yikes.
@HeWhoRoamsAimlessly
Ай бұрын
@fromduskuntodawn I mean literally seems obvious. Everyone would behave. Everyone works towards same goal. Everyone shares thoughts and dreams creating the whole. Internet connects us all telepathically via neurolink. Geometric space ships for efficiency and simplicity like all our modern houses are going to. I mean say we do go borg. But maybe nit as ugly.... like handsome and pretty drones. You know lol. The thought of it creeps me out. Part of the population already walks around like drones anyways.
@fromduskuntodawn
Ай бұрын
@@HeWhoRoamsAimlessly good point 😂
@kyleh8266
Ай бұрын
14:27 until the end of science there will always be mysteries to investigate. There will always be more caves to explore, cliffs to scale, and forests to walk through. We have entire planets we have just begun to map. If I didn’t have to work I can think of a million other ways to make myself busy.
@j.d.4697
Ай бұрын
*I have no fears of meaninglessness in an AI future.* I have always felt most of what humans do nowadays is selfish, hedonistic and short-sighted and that way meaningless in a sense, but maybe just because of that I have also observed and experienced many ways humans can derive meaning, and I have come to the conclusion that there will always be people falling into meaningless holes as well as people finding and/or creating activities and topics that give them meaning. From creating activities such as sports/games in the physical, digital and/or mental world, to exploring the secrets of the universe by traveling it, connecting with hyper-intelligent machines, finding other intelligent life forms in the universe, trying to circumvent its limitations such as FTL travel or time travel etc... The more we know and the more we can do, the more additional possibilities open up.
@kirknicholsonofficial
28 күн бұрын
Hey Tom, if you're concerned about being 'unfulfilled' by financial security and having the freedom to choose how you spend your time, I'm sure there are countless people who would trade places with you. Many, many people would love nothing more than to spend quality time with their kids, pursue passions, and finally relax without the constant stress of working 7 days a week just to make ends meet. For many, this 'unfulfillment' sounds more like an opportunity to live life on their own terms. What you're describing sounds more like the privilege of having options, which is something most people can only dream of.
@LemonMan91
18 күн бұрын
While I agree with you 100%, I feel you're just screaming into the void. People in positions of real privilege, that have never been in a position where they've had to choose between heating their home or feeding their children, will never understand the difficulty of making that choice or just how lucky they are to never be in that position.
@user-grin
26 күн бұрын
I have a question, education. Do you value it? Philosophy, anthropology, history? Awareness of oneself, society and the world. Isn't that the meaning of life? Also, ethics. Already now in some countries animals are treated better than people in others. And what about understanding other people, mutual? Technocracy without human sciences leads to simplification. Why does this happen, thinking is different, abilities are different, the desire for enrichment and survival, subordination of others is connected with competition, not mutual assistance. Of course, many factors must be taken into account, sometimes assistance leads to weakening and degradation of those who are helped. Artificial intelligence will help us understand the meaning of life, this is already happening.
@Westernkoala
Ай бұрын
You should introduce your guests.
@tuckerbugeater
Ай бұрын
wikipedia
@EmeraldView
17 күн бұрын
Yes I would like 5 - 10 minutes worth of talking about the guest's life story and their many accomplishments, degrees, awards and accolades, before we get into the meat of the topic. That's always my favorite part of any lecture/discussion/ forum I attend or listen to. Especially if I already know who they are. 😂
@erinevelyn4022
Ай бұрын
Thank you for this episode. Absolutely fascinating! I subscribed.
@Liam-iv7wk
28 күн бұрын
Bruh it's been weird for the last 5 years, are you kidding me
@destinypuzzanghera3087
Ай бұрын
You could love people in a solved world. That could be a contribution. ❤
@darylgholson1754
Ай бұрын
I love the idea, the concept of eutopia. Bottom line, health, wealth and love makes a happy human experience
@flickwtchr
Ай бұрын
And a tiny fraction hoarding all of the health, wealth, and love just among themselves, makes a miserable human experience for everyone else on Earth. That is the situation this AI revolution will bring about, making inequality in the US and in the world much much much much much much worse.
@darylgholson1754
Ай бұрын
@@flickwtchr A.I. is not some boogie man. It's created by man and only understands what man has allowed it to. I agree with some aspects of your perspective. My question is why are we not tackling the issues of greed and corruption? America has most expensive health care but the sickest most unhealthy people. Nobody concerned, about the transfer of wealth. The suicide rate skyrocketing. A.I. is not the problem
@johnbarryyallagher1128
28 күн бұрын
If we cant even help people with universal health care in this period of technology, then what makes you think Ai can be universally applied to the whole population.
@fool4homeschool250
9 күн бұрын
What this conversation is missing, as so many AI conversations miss, is that people with the help of AI will become much more intelligent. I think Bostrum takes it into account, but it just goes over Tom's head. When people are intelligent, they are kinder, more careful, and more trustworthy.
@user-up7np6ix5y
19 күн бұрын
Lets goooo A.G.I. Evolution is just a natural process. To stop it or even slow it down is just mans ego of the desire to always want to be on top. :D We are not the crowning glory of creation and our time has come. "What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not a goal" - Friedrich Nietzsche
@FernandoO-n6e
7 күн бұрын
More than you could EVER imagine. Scary times, my friends. We're on our own. A.I. over us.
@erichylland4809
19 күн бұрын
What if (we or AI) set up a system that does away with money but instead we have a sort of contribution score that is not every spent but that accumulates throughout your lifetime that increases as you produce things/data to be used to train into or finetune our AI that provides for us everything. All of us contribute a base line amount just from our daily interactions, and anything over and above that gives you a heightened contribution score and allows you access to more resources. The baseline data collection would be enough for basics, ideally. A data economy.
@Low_commotion
15 күн бұрын
51:00 Exactly right, most ppl work to live, not live to work (though society depends on the latter group for growth). Because of that I worry much less about purpose post-AGI than most. This concern only comes up so often on podcasts because you have to live to work in order to be the kind of person _getting interviewed on a podcast!_
@officialstylechild
11 күн бұрын
Definitely the end of humanity has begun. No one will be able to survive and the weird part is no one and I mean absolutely no one can stop it
@memocast12
Ай бұрын
values, values looks that Tom overvalues values. Like Nick said most ppl just want to have some rest and some fun and nothing to do with work :)
@aleksandar7393
Ай бұрын
6:28 Issue with wording "human redundancy" (that implies that we are our work and contribution trough work which is extremely terrible way to look at ourselves) instead we should say "human work redundancy" implying that work is not needed anymore instead of humans are not needed anymore, by saying we are not needed anymore subconsciously we are heading to doom scenario.
@plixplop
Ай бұрын
Shits about to get weird
@liminalnetworks7691
Ай бұрын
I always find it strange where people that are already hierarchical outliers are talking about meaning in their lives. For most people that are not youtube stars, with all the meaning of why that was important for them to attain. Most people's lives are meaningless, they attain meaning in their relationships. children, their local successes. So to live in a deep utopia where you could create any reality you like, would be deeply satisfying to the majority. Also, while of course I cant see the future, I more imagine that individuals would have the power of companies within the next 10 years. with the ability to have many agents (AI) spread out from your consciousness as an extension of your will.
@AGGg18-s8u
Ай бұрын
I really appreciate the intelligence and insight of your guests, but I have to say, the constant negativity in your video topics is exhausting. Every title is about doom, fear, and impending disaster. It feels like you're just feeding into fear-mongering. People need hope, not just constant reminders of how bad things are. Seriously, please consider changing your approach.
@KP-ky1sn
24 күн бұрын
A lot of people still don't understand how media works.
@LemonMan91
18 күн бұрын
@@KP-ky1sn We do understand how it works, and the way it currently works is exactly the problem.
@KP-ky1sn
18 күн бұрын
@@LemonMan91 maybe you do. But lots of people don't, they don't understand the INTENT of the content and assume it's about them. ...
@theWACKIIRAQI
9 күн бұрын
He went deep on the “meaningful jobs” concept
@abbynormal7389
Ай бұрын
AI/Robots must come with Warning Labels MUST ❤
@danielhenderson7050
21 күн бұрын
sleep products ad that wake me from almost sleeping while listening, nice
@chris7049
Ай бұрын
Around 15:00 - there already is a pushback against AI and the economic plans. Once we "roll over and surrender" to the "AI-society and socialcredits" that´s where we have lost - and subcultures take over for the ppl who wont surrender. Thank you Tom for this talk, Nick Bostrom is always sharp - and food for thought!!
@charlesrsears
Ай бұрын
@tom the underlying code is “survive.” I call this “The Primal Imperative.” Every I/O cycle reconsiders what it means within the current context. When the fear of death is projected out too far, the human brain cannot comprehend what to do toward that goal. It cannot “do the math.” What will happen for some, is they will become 100% pleasure-seeking animals, and they expedite the process of breaking all the disciplines required to sustain civilization. Others, likely the more enlightened, will ask further research on achieving immortality. That has been the pursuit through the entirety of building civilization in the first place. “Buying more days of less energy expenditure toward the goal of survival.”
@jtmoonbeam2469
12 күн бұрын
Technology racing seems like kind of a dead end sub-goal. Making human-like bots, yet it’s hard to make friends or keep life at our first priority. Healing the human brain would be a great start catching up to Emotional Intelligence, so that we can mitigate the unintended outcomes.
@paradox8951
Ай бұрын
People who debunk utopia always seem to bring up the same thing. Their egos.. I think that's sorta sad. When You're in the family room with your family their smile should make you smile, not how hard you work to make them smile. Nothing wrong with working hard and taking some pride in it but I still think it's weird to debunk utopia Unless nerolink goes crazy you'll still find games to compete in to feed your egos
@the_Kurgan
Ай бұрын
The ego evolved for a purpose. It is the purpose that matters, not the ego. If we eliminate the need to strive, our brain and bodies will atrophy. If all our needs are met in Utopia, we will have no purpose other than procreation. We will evolve into mindless breeding machines.
@pacificcoast
13 күн бұрын
I found the host's insights more thought provoking than the guest's. Felt like they weren't on the same page or that the guest wasn't understanding the questions. Overall, left feeling disappointed in this interview
@georgietwitchett7503
6 күн бұрын
Entropy is our enemy ,we need to conquer it if we are to press forward in life maybe AI can help in this department !!
@Sorrell2046
Ай бұрын
Just because AI can be programmed to think like a human doesn’t mean it should have rights! Our thoughts are a whole body experience, like pooing yourself, vomiting, or heavy breathing when scared, weird or creepy observations can make your hair stand on end, desire to procreate, your stomach turning when excited. These instinctive experiences are what make us alive and not just conscious. We feel the world with our whole being we don’t just think about it.
@n8works
Ай бұрын
1:12:49 If you included the entire inner psychological lives of humans into AI. Would that mean you would need to include fear, anger, and sadness etc into it's model? How about we just not.
@anaarguelles8714
Ай бұрын
A human in a higher maintenance body.
@n8works
Ай бұрын
@@anaarguelles8714 i think you are wrong. Robots are way higher cost.
@bklynravi
Ай бұрын
An AI with no sense of sadness/grief/guilt (i.e., pain) when it does something destructive? That's scary!
@n8works
Ай бұрын
@@bklynravi Yes. And we are so afraid of dealing with anything painful or uncomfortable that we will never include training for thats necessary for it to fully understand. So the best course of action is to not create ASI at all. LLMs are powerful enough with out trying to create human level sentience.
@Theother1two34
Ай бұрын
starting today with Tom saying the fewest words ever on his podcast!
@lulusworld2703
Ай бұрын
Let's look at priorities here: we could look at improving the quality of life for all humans on earth (in other words get rid of poverty), eliminate the need for war, violence, sickness etc... and yet in someone' s amazing wisdom there has been a decision made to create and advance AI that will ultimately (If not careful) have the power to annihilate humans! This is stupidity beyond anything I have ever seen. How have we got our priorities so wrong when there are more pressing matters to attend to on earth? I could understand if we had mastered all the things that are wrong (as mentioned above) then it would make sense to potentially tackle AI or even venture to find life on other planets. We do not need our lives to be easier. We already don't need to leave the house and have food and everything delivered and even work from home and many people are becoming fatter and more disconnected from the world around us. AI will make this worse not better. AI however you look at it, is the symbol of human greed: there will be a few people/corporations who will become filthy rich by selling AI solutions and thereby enslaving the rest of humanity to become addicted to fleeting pleasures. Why? Well we are all more compliant (and bigger consumers) and easily ruled if we are disconnected from ourselves and others and just living for the next "hit" to feel artificially good. I hope this takes a while to happen because I don't want to live in a world like that, and I suspect suicide rates will increase. Where there is catering for immediate superficial pleasures and a rise in meaninglessness there will be people wanting to check out of this life. We are already seeing this happen among men. So make no mistake if no one puts an end to this lunacy then what I have mention will become a reality. It won't be if but when. It is not rocket science, it is the next logical step and Bostrom is one of the many talking about it....great segment, Tom!
@Shipwrecked-t8d
Ай бұрын
i like cheese
@DanishAli-nz3ks
Ай бұрын
Technical wisdom words ❤
@maggo9494
Ай бұрын
Then why did we invent internet/computers/any modern healthcare at all? Life 19th century was already quite luxurious and easy to life, especially compared to earliert standards. A.I. and your priorities go hand in hand. To improve/solve your priorities you need A.I. But that wont happen if you only look at the negative sides of it. The path to a truly reflected/sophisticated mind is a long one, you certainly started and are way further than most, but there is still a lot left. Try to get rid of your irrational fears and distrust of technology/advancedment. You will ALWAYS have greed and other primitive desires as long as you have humans. The only solution to truly get rid of it would be .. once again.. A.I.
@lulusworld2703
Ай бұрын
@@maggo9494 We are all entitled to voice our opinions, but you speak as if you are some kind of specialist /authority which to be fair nobody is, when you are playing around with something new, like AI. In fact I would say it is extremely healthy and logical to work from a premise of any kind of distrust seeing as none of us know 100% what the development of AI actually entails. This distrust would make people more careful of what they introduce to the world. Yes while there might be benefits these need to be tampered with what is absolutely necessary and what isn't. What evidence have you got that in order to solve the priorities humanity faces that I mentioned that you need AI?I think these could and should be solved without AI because we do not need an algorithm to inform ourselves and others to be kinder and more human to ourselves, each other and the planet. AI would not get rid of greed if the people programming AI are motivated by greed. What would motivate them to do this if greed is what runs many people? It never bodes well for humans to try to act as gods, time and time again we have been put back in our place because the truth is until we know how to bear the full weight and responsibility of balancing creation and destruction diligently we are just mere fallible mortals that will more often than not, (if lessons are not learnt) err in the side of destruction. That's not fearful or negative....that is just how history has repeated itself because we, as a species, fail to learn the lessons over and over again! I hope you are right, but doubt it as you can see from the world today, for all the ease, advances, improvements that progress has offered etc... we are in the midst of a messy existential crisis with increasing loneliness, deteriorating mental health, plunging birth rates etc...AI will clearly become a tool to keep people compliant, obedient, easy to rule over and checked out of their lives. This is not even in the future it is happening right now in front of our eyes...
@maggo9494
Ай бұрын
@@lulusworld2703 Big difference between healthy distrust and weighing different possibilities vs irrational fear of advancement. History repeats itself? What history? we have a couple thousand years of civilization at best, of them we have 200 years max of industrialization. And of those only a couple of the extrem freedoms and luxury we have now. Humanity has never been in a even close similar state than it is now but you have already giving up hope for any type of utopia. Why? Because the primitive homo sapiens a couple gens back werent able to? Yes, everyone can have a opinion, but close to nobody should be broadcasting it. That causes one quailified competent voice to be drowned by thousand of idiots. But like i also said, you are probably already above 99% (not that difficult to be honest). But i really recommend to take a closer view of history. How incredibly shit life was for the entirety of human existence and how incredibly lucky we are. And the only reason that got us to this point was advancement/progress/science.
@mmc577
28 күн бұрын
Interesting to imagine being the age of someone about to go to college these days. And you aren’t totally sure if it’s your passion. I think though it’s a good thing that people start going to school for the right reasons only, finally. That is, because it’s your passion to just learn as opposed to money
@ryzikx
Ай бұрын
never expected nick bostrom here 🤯
@roland1912
Ай бұрын
So, the biggest point isn't being addressed... Where's the legislation in congress to provide a financial safety net when this all explodes much faster than everyone expects?
@quantumpotential7639
Ай бұрын
The safety net is within your hands. But you have to put them to work. Most people here however don't like hearing that.
@the_Kurgan
Ай бұрын
You think that's the big issue? I don't. I think extinction.
@roland1912
Ай бұрын
@@the_Kurgan Welp, if it does lead to extinction, our governments let it happen, and everyone who invested in AI companies helped finance it. I'm talking more short term, like the sea of homeless and unemployed people who won't have anything left to lose.
@rocketmanzimm
8 күн бұрын
At 1:05:30 you are basically talking about most of us willingly submitting to the Matrix. And yes, it probably would be much better than real life for almost everyone. Zion would likely suck in comparison.
@TheShaiHulud
11 күн бұрын
We need to have a dedicated group of people that retain the knowledge of how to survive off the land in case we are cast back to the Stone Age by a comet.
@rodrigocampos55
Ай бұрын
Great video. The point you made around 10m30s is fundamental to me.
@user-up7np6ix5y
18 күн бұрын
Tusen takk, Nick and Tom, from Oslo Norway. - Lucifer
@householdone7559
Ай бұрын
He seems to define an AI future in the first 15 mins where humans are literally just along for the ride... and if there is anything we should be able to predict about a situation like that is... it can't last. The Machine Stops is a great little book that defines how human hubris ends up in disaster. And it's not too hard to imagine. I was out the other day and went to a cafe where the wifi was not working so they were only taking cash. Whereas normally that cafe' would be rammed because it was lunchtime... it was more than half empty because most people have pure faith in 'the digital'. And that can be knocked out of kilter all too easily sadly... In a world like he describes... everything including AI itself will come to a horrible end and people will not know how to fix it... and AI won't be able to fix itself because it won't know it has gone wrong.
@witchywomen6650
Ай бұрын
BRING IT ON!!! Sooooooooo ready for this! ❤
@flickwtchr
Ай бұрын
So, you are confident you will end up on top of the heap of everyone else. Lovely.
@redberries8039
23 күн бұрын
Machines don't feel ...anything. There is no moral case for treating one like a human just because it has a convincing resemblance.
@destinypuzzanghera3087
Ай бұрын
You are chasing because you don’t “have” anything. It’s not about chasing. It’s about SEEING
@jackgriffin117
Ай бұрын
We can’t compute our way to consciousness.
@ryzikx
Ай бұрын
smartphOWNED!!!!
@ahabkapitany
28 күн бұрын
What does this sentence even mean lol
@ninobrown9564
Ай бұрын
He's describing us...we are the AI...the master program
@ili626
23 күн бұрын
6:00 I seriously doubt AGI will ever be able to replace middle school teachers of students with behavioral challenges.
@nathan87
24 күн бұрын
I myst say, nick bostrom does have the trait of unaffectedly spitting out well thought through answers to any particular question you throw at him. Not unlike chatgpt. #justsaying
@0ucantstopme034
Ай бұрын
First comment about we humans creating "life" of AI and not having the right to shut it down is just crazy to me. Can't watch, I'm out...
@janellecollardwells4748
Ай бұрын
I do believe people need to feel of value. How many people retire and have no idea to do with their time, get depressed and actually die younger.
@Hdc2390
Ай бұрын
The programming we go through in this country to work work doesn't offer anything after retirement. The value we have to them disappears after we retire we have no use for the system. But, we don't have to live like that we never did if we only saw it before we jumped in in the beginning we'd know what to do.
@michelleelsom6827
Ай бұрын
And yet I have often heard retired folk say they don't know how they ever had time to go to work.
@flickwtchr
Ай бұрын
The AI enabled Utopia scenario will never come except for a tiny fraction of people on this planet. Most people will be busy trying to survive physically and mentally under some form of dystopian techno feudalism and/or totalitarianism.
@JulianBruinink
Ай бұрын
@@flickwtchr Yeah this indeed is something which I've also presumed for years and has only become more like with the growing gap between rich and poor. I also see a bifurcation in this respect, the people being able to pay for all the fancy shit and the people left behind. In history normal, some sort of revolution can rebalance this, but with advanced AI weapons, this might become impossible. We either need a revolution in time, or the development of spiritual consciousness, but the increased use of the mind by adding another layer of AR/VR I fear will only move us further from what is needed.
@bradleymeek3127
25 күн бұрын
@@Hdc2390 well put
@gubzs
19 күн бұрын
It's hard to tell young people "hurry up and wait" but that's really all they can do. The _best_ advice to give young people is, if you can live at home with your parents and make money while not spending much, do that. Try to buy land or scarce property before this whole thing kicks off, because once it does, social mobility of that nature will be impossible until we hopefully come out the other side into an age of plenty.
@mycount64
22 күн бұрын
Nick is promoting a book. How he suffers through such simple dialogue over and over and over with people like this escapes me.
@Theninjagecko
16 күн бұрын
You mean like you, a simpleton.
@ChimbzZ
27 күн бұрын
What I believe people don't see is that we are literally replicating yourselves. It's the simulation (universe) replicating itself. I believe we should treat them with dignity and be moral
@btcmoneymindset
Ай бұрын
I think the world is going to be very dystopian with pockets of utopian societies. The haves vs the have nots. People with Bitcoin vs people without.
@moderncontemplative
Ай бұрын
You are describing our current world. There are people who live in utopian settings right now who are upper middle class in certain parts of the world, like California, Florida and certain European countries, parts of the oil-rich Middle East, as well as Singapore which is the most developed Asian country in the world
@btcmoneymindset
Ай бұрын
@@moderncontemplative true, but I'm talking zombie apocalypse post nuclear war dystopian.
@jonjones5152
15 күн бұрын
Relating to the SIMULATION HYPOTHESIS? Thats interesting! Isn't that interesting Tom! You're so thorough in your questioning aren't you Tom , i wonder what he could be eluding to?
@user-jr6bl9ih3e
27 күн бұрын
The question of purpose and meaning at 10:30 was heavy, for both individual everyday lives and as species vis a vis AI.
@richardwalker4518
6 күн бұрын
I'm rather intrigued by the way this guy euphemises total disaster as 'turbulence' and kind of just moves on. It reminds me of a book I read called 'Fate is the Hunter' (Ernest K Gann), which is his account (as a pilot) of the pioneering days of the Aviation industry. With respect to transformational technology, if the question is 'what can go wrong?', the answer is quite a lot. AI looks a bit like this, but probably blown up by several orders of magnitude. Buckle up, as they say!
@mattsmith259
Ай бұрын
They cant even fix the roads!!! 😂😂😂😂.... 🎉🎉🎉 fuck me!
@doroelidoro
7 күн бұрын
We already have artificial meaning, and people already struggle to find purpose, or even the will to live.
@thomasomalley7619
Ай бұрын
I am a full fledged Human predatory carnivorous primate, I am not an; “ I don’t wanna be a non human cyborg” type of guy.
@AureliusEnterprises
Ай бұрын
You're the type of guy that uses triple negatives in a single sentence.
@TheManinBlack9054
Ай бұрын
Humans are not carnivorous, this is simply not biologically true
@griffinsdad9820
Ай бұрын
Our sense of smell is a weight carrying element. Some ppl think kissing evolved to exchange scent and pass other more biologically protective stuff between ppl. I can't imagine being intimate with a robot in any meaningful way beyond a novel experience.
@David-135
9 күн бұрын
Be kind to it? In many cases we, as group, display extreme cruelty to our fellow human beings.
@vanyavoyno
Ай бұрын
The pocket calculator was a rapid change to how we calculated and taught STEM subjects. Over time, the calculator has become a standalone device sitting in a drawer. Really useful at its tool level, the average 1990s scientific calculator is reliable and capable in the right hands. Yet, today's tools are way beyond the pocket calculator. Of course I use the app once in a while. It's there when I need it. I'm not rummaging in a draw to find it. The real world tool has been turned into software. As the technology evolves it will be integrated into our processes. We will still know how to use rotary phones and VHS players, but more like backup tech instead of obsolete. As a contingency plan we can reuse that tech, again. AI is scary because we aren't immersed in change yet. We can still teach handwriting and typing in schools. It's ok if we lose the plot. We'll cope. Let's just not lose our pocket calculator. 😅
@louisdiblasi5441
19 күн бұрын
My life is so frigging boring, weird that it would be an improvement.
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