You forgot the most important use for conquered caverns: building a massive z-level spanning cavern tavern.
@pooshpoosh9232
2 ай бұрын
Would be cool if we could run a 10.000 dwarf fortress
@EternamDoov
2 ай бұрын
@@pooshpoosh9232What does that mean?
@SireBab
Ай бұрын
@@EternamDoovguessing they mean "it would be cool to have a 10,000 dwarf strong fortress." naturally, this would lag out even the most powerful cpus
@Kyrkby
2 ай бұрын
No torture? Needless death? No actual crimes against dorfdom? You're slacking off.
@magnificentpotato4927
2 ай бұрын
You haven’t posted in 13 years so whose really slacking off?
@zhikse
2 ай бұрын
The lack of death and disaster is so bad they had to break their silence
@frankdrawsnear9995
2 ай бұрын
DfHack has a tool called suspend manager that makes building walls easier, if a wall "A" build is one that would block another wall "B" from being built, it stops wall "A" from being built until wall "B" is done Its pretty neat
@hoodiehair
2 ай бұрын
I knew there had to be a DFHack command I was missing! Thank you!
@RedstoNeman0
2 ай бұрын
it also sadly does the same between any order be it buildings, engravings or furniture which caused me to get 3 defaced masterwork engravings alerts lately lol
@pingin6885
2 ай бұрын
@@hoodiehairyou can also embark directly in the caverns using a dfhack plugin (deep-embark, I think)
@samy57913
Ай бұрын
It kinda work for walls except the ones right to the stairs, so id avdice build every wall except those in 1 tile range from stairs and then build those
@eddaniels4731
2 ай бұрын
i once had a fortress entirely focused on building 'micro fortresses' within the caverns, i went about using burrows to give various groups of dwarves places to settle and it went well (excluding some villages here and there getting wiped out by my own mismamagement) for a while until the circus came to town.
@stabbystab8363
2 ай бұрын
Classic FUN loving circus
@kirbycooper9496
2 ай бұрын
Send in the clooooowns
@-Kidzin
2 ай бұрын
I tend to just make floors on a side of each level when building multi story walls. It feels faster and seems neat to me, basically scaffolding.
@hoodiehair
2 ай бұрын
yeah I usually do the same, I was just burning through wood and stone as fast as I could get it with the walls alone
@arthurbarros5189
2 ай бұрын
I use bridges. You can build and desconstruct bigger floors faster this way.
@-Kidzin
2 ай бұрын
@@arthurbarros5189 oh true, will give them a go next time!
@matthewespeland1677
2 ай бұрын
@@arthurbarros5189 I use bridges and stairs up then deconstruct everything when its done. I also allow all the dwarves to build wood bridges so you don't have to wait for the right dwarf to be free.
@noahtekulve2684
2 ай бұрын
@@hoodiehairMake your logs and boulders into blocks! Absolutely necessary with building projects
@coyohti
2 ай бұрын
"Procedurally Generated Weirdos" sounds like a band name. I've found that one of the (relatively) easier ways to handle building multi-level walls is by using bridges as scaffolding. It's an extra step but helps keeps dwarfs from trapping themselves or their materials in the walls.
@underdoug
2 ай бұрын
My favourite way to block off large swathes of cavern is to use natural stone plugs. You work out how many Z-levels you need, add 2 and mine over there that many Z-levels above the ceiling. You place a support somewhere on top of the plug connecting to the ceiling above it and hook it up to a lever a really good distance away. Then you channel down around the plug all the way until you breach the ceiling of the cavern. The only thing connecting the plug should be the support. Forbid the area below the plug, forbid all the areas near the plug, forbid a 50 block radius from the plug. Pull the lever and watch as a giant, shaped to fit, pillar of natural stone crashes mightily into the cavern below, cutting off access from the outside. Then all you need to do is cover the holes in the ceiling left around the edges from hewing it from the roof and you have yourself a natural stone wall. Extra fun, if you've trapped a flightless FB somewhere, is cutting out a 2-3 Z-level plug above it and dropping it on its head. It doesn't always kill them in my experience but they're certainly easier to finish off when 1/3rd of their body is missing and they're bleeding profusely from half of the remaining 2. Dropping a plug into water is also quite the spectacle. All of it a prime opportunity for dorfs to be dorfy and get into all sorts of mortal trouble.
@KennKuun
2 ай бұрын
You're insane for building a massive floor over the giant lake instead of just building a wall at the water's edge. But I love it.
@nickolasbrown5928
Ай бұрын
as a person who has built many a cavern wall, and only watched the first 2 minutes and 42 seconds, my best method thus far is to build/carve a wall of up/down stairs first, a scaffold for construction. Then the entire wall can be built without denying access to other segments. You can throw down the blueprints for both at the same time. Dismantling the scaffolding can be tedious as you do 1 layer at a time, but it isn't necessary.
@Faehen
2 ай бұрын
2:30 when I build multi-level walls I always make a row of floors next to my walls.
@artserg2169
2 ай бұрын
i use bridges the same way, they are more easy to deconstruct later on
@gfinleyg
2 ай бұрын
@@artserg2169 I was looking for this comment, bridges as scaffolding for the win!
@arthurbarros5189
2 ай бұрын
@@artserg2169me too. Now in steam version you can make longer than 10 tiles bridges.
@GeoffreyBronson
2 ай бұрын
@@artserg2169 genius!
@derricktalbot8846
Ай бұрын
scaffolding is always the most important part of construction :)
@aramisortsbottcher8201
Ай бұрын
Guys, do yourself a favor and build directly at the edge. Those empty spaces over time fill with animal people invasions and other FPS destroyers. And once you finaly decide to clear these, your dwarfs stand against an army of 200 bat spearmen that accumulated...
@DrCups113
2 ай бұрын
Easiest way to build multi story wall is to build a multi story staircase then the wall next to it.
@Amontadillo
2 ай бұрын
my preferred way to build multistory walls is to build a floor scaffolding type deal along one edge of it with one row of floor tiles. that way you can build them all at once, and then later deconstruct the scaffolding the slow way if you want. downside is of course the increased materials needed.
@kevingriffith6011
2 ай бұрын
Or just leave the scaffold and build really thick, hollow walls for style points.
@iniudan
2 ай бұрын
One way to help build in height is to use bridge as scaffolding. With a single stair case and two bridge on each level you can easily build up to 41 length of wall (each bridge as a max length of 20 if I remember right), with little micro needed on the wall itself.
@ben5056
2 ай бұрын
The advantage of bridges is lower material cost and faster build time, right? Neat
@iniudan
2 ай бұрын
@@ben5056 It cost more material then when just microing the wall construction, but it is way faster construction on large project and way less micro. But you can just deconstruction the scaffolds, once you done, to get back the materials.
@ben5056
2 ай бұрын
@iniudan thank for the extra info. I'll try that out next time I need a tall wall
@shadejodoin6683
2 ай бұрын
You can build multi-Z level walls with little micromanagement by designating floors alongside the intended walls. The floors will allow them access to any of the to be constructed walls without difficulties. Takes a few more resources and a bit more time, but is much less frustrating to do.
@martenkahr3365
26 күн бұрын
I usually build a one-tile-wide bridge along the second (and higher) story of the wall, then deconstruct it once the wall is finished. Way less hassle and resources than floors.
@channel_lurker
2 ай бұрын
prediction: hoodie hair makes a gaint self sufficiant fortress in the cavern, dwarf gain major cave adaptation, the fortress falls and the dwarves spread out, becoming the firstr troglodytes ^^
@jackalexandroff4550
2 ай бұрын
Its all about scaffolding. You need to put up a wood floor all the way along each layer of wall. Deconstructing that scaffolding? now thats the tricky part. So if you want to be extra canny you can make the scaffolding one space away and then make connecting tissue to wall your building. Then you have the scaffolding under a support thats connected to a leaver. You build the wall all the way once the scaffolding is done. Then when the walls done you deconstruct all those connecting parts that are in-between the wall the walkway. Then you pull the leave and the whole thing collapses into matchsticks. That is if you made the scaffolding with wood. If you made it with stone the impact of the falling stone will come crashing through your basses ceiling. This has happened to me and it was FUN. God i love DF
@asdfasdf-dd9lk
2 ай бұрын
omg hoodiehair uploaded ! !
@LeftoverPat
Ай бұрын
Note: a quick way to get walls done is using a bridge for scaffolding! Minimal resources & the entire thing just needs 1 dwarf when deconstructed.
@someguy8535
2 ай бұрын
I remember building a great cavern wall system back in ascii. I accidentally built them too close to the border and the forgotten beasts spawned at the top of the wall! Oops
@ben5056
2 ай бұрын
How many tiles away should they be?
@someguy8535
2 ай бұрын
forgotten beasts spawn at the very edge of the settlement border; You should build the wall set a little bit back from the border proper. About 1 - 3 tiles away from the border, like in Hoodie's video. Make sure to build the wall up to the top of the cave to protect against flying beasts!@@ben5056
@MasterChief-ie2xu
Ай бұрын
@@ben5056 Same amount as in the video, 4-7 to be safe
@ben5056
Ай бұрын
@@MasterChief-ie2xu thank you!
@BGP369
Ай бұрын
Build stairs every 4th block on the inside up to the top of wall, and you can then designage all building without much fear of dorfs messing it up.
@TokiSamurai
Ай бұрын
Build one vertical stair every 3 tiles inside the wall first then you can build each layer fully with minimal management
@spakattak
Ай бұрын
Or just use dfhack
@jackmaney4276
Ай бұрын
By the way, some forgotten beasts are made out of flame. So, use rock blocks and doors for your walls whenever possible.
@d0pomein
2 ай бұрын
it's very easy to make a scaffolding behind the walls that you take down one you're done. Outside layer is wall or fortification, inside layer is walking surface and stairs. That way you can just que them up and you're only waiting for the foot paths to be laid.
@lolmanor
2 ай бұрын
As someone who has used the wall building strategy for caves, a piece of advice: if you build floors, you can designate them to run adjacent to the walls, which will help with issues where the distant walls aren't being built. Just remember, you can only designate LINES of floors attached to a foundation (like a staircase). If you need to extend it or change it, you'll have to re-designate the building spots. Also, as a result, you can build multiple floors at once this way by first making staircases up to whatever Z level you want, then building the floors on each level, and finally putting the walls when they're available to be built. Very cool tip about the trick of flooring over cavern water spots. Never thought about that. Always thought that draining the water was the only way.
@anonym1984
Ай бұрын
In my latest fort, I had an issue with rodent people. I had closed off just enough of the cavern for a farm and then ignored the rest cause they just would not stop coming whenever I opened. But this just meant that they were stacking up out in the cavern. Eventually my ~125 dwarves strong fortress was running at a tiny 8fps, dragged down by the masses of rodent people outside the walls in the caverns just waiting to get in, so whats a dwarf to do? My solution was simple: Flood the cavern with magma to burn the rodent menace. I was already pumping magma up to my main floors between cavern 1 and 2, so extending my pump stack another 10 levels was no big deal. But the magma kept flowing out of the cavern at the lower points, leaving rodents on high places free. So I dug tunnels over every single open cavern side, and dropped water in, casting walls ever higher until there were no more access points and all but the highest parts of the cavern was flooded with magma. The few surviving rodent people were driven insane by being trapped in this area of cave and forced into watching everyone they know and love burn to death. More than doubled my fps despite the fps hits incurred by moving that much liquid, 10/10 would create a magma tomb for annoying cavern neighbours again.
@regi5436
2 ай бұрын
you know you can just build floors alongside walls everytime you span on another z level so that dwarves can safely mess up the order but still manage to build the wall, it is still tedious but it is much better than just manually building it one tile at a time.
@hoodiehair
2 ай бұрын
That's usually how I build walls but I was burning through wood and stone so fast I decided to embrace the tedium lol
@regi5436
2 ай бұрын
@@hoodiehair dear god ...
@edkopik
2 ай бұрын
@@hoodiehair are you an elf? just cut more trees
@mae5539
2 ай бұрын
I've done this with fortifications built into the second and third Z levels of the walls. My marksdwarf squads would spend days ruthlessly slaughtering waves of molepeople and becoming legendary marksdwarves in the process (along with accumulating massive psychological trauma from the bloodbaths they created)
@EmperorSigismund
Ай бұрын
The only thing missing is to have a migration corridor going end to end in each cavern that may or may not be filled with deadly traps in order to harvest naturally occurring resources.
@notoriousectotherm
12 күн бұрын
Idk, that mushroom wood is pretty fire
@spencersullivan4447
Ай бұрын
2:44 I just put a layer of flooring down next to every layer of wall, takes more resources but drives me much less insane.
@chillerwhale1655
2 ай бұрын
Done this a few times. The most ridiculous obstacle I ran into was a tree growing out of the cavern water on the edge of the map. I needed to construct a ballista and shoot the trunk to get rid of it 😂
@UMCorian
Ай бұрын
The only true Dwarf way to conquer caverns is to channel to the lava sea, break out 50+ levels of pumping and flood it all with magma. It's the only way to be sure.
@edkopik
2 ай бұрын
for multy story walls, i build a second row of floors behind the wall, for the dwarves to walk onto while building can remove it later if desired, and its a lot easier to remove one tile at a time han building one tile at a time can also just build a "stair wall" behind the wall, and demolish it floor by floor afterwards
@thenumbernine
Ай бұрын
I wall my cavern entrances off, then stairwell them down into 3-way-intersection with bridge-barriers filled with cage traps. One way to outside. One way for normies to enter when safe and reload cages. One way to a massive ring road per cave level, and then interconnect the ring road caves, and viola, massive labyrinth that you can trap forgotten beasts and invading armies inside of. To top it off, I will link all bridges from cave to outside to a single lever, and all bridges for trap-reload to a single lever, so I just need to pull two levers to reload all my traps safely.
@KorotasGeckoGamingCorner
2 ай бұрын
One thing I could recommend you do when walling off taverns like this is use something other then wood to block off the entrances. Never know when a forgotten beast that spits fireballs will show up on one end, get into a fight with a different FB, and burn the walls down without meaning to!
@casey4697
2 ай бұрын
Great video hoddiehair!
@kmdsummon
Ай бұрын
Best way to build multi level walls is to first build scaffolding structures, such as floors or stair to allow dwarves to reach every tile of new wall. This requires more material in upstart and a bit more work from dwarves, but it actually shortens build time since all parts of walls can be built in parallel.
@MrClickity
Ай бұрын
You don't need to build pastures or tree farms in the caverns. You can just crack into the cavern to release the spores, then immediately wall it off. The indoor soil at the upper layers of your fort will then start growing grass and mushroom trees.
@sampy901
2 ай бұрын
Also if you put drawbridge on each wall and separate levers you can control what gets in, so you can trap a herd of tasty elk birds in the caverns for example
@jackmaney4276
Ай бұрын
If you use DFHack and turn on the SuspendManager, dwarves will usually pick the correct wall segment build order so that they're not boxed in. It's not perfect, but it works fairly well.
@bloopahVIII
2 ай бұрын
would it be a good idea to have a tunnel built that extends a bit beyond the wall, with cage traps lining the floor to gather any magnificent and trainable beasts (and of course something to still keep them behind the border of the fortress)?
@ImmersedInHistory
2 ай бұрын
I use bridges as scafolding when building walls. Can be built before any of the wall, and is cheap.
@illhob
2 ай бұрын
You can use controlled cave ins. You can wall off water like this and ensure dwarfs are never get liine of sight to any scary monsters (the cave in wall will fall through a floor if there is no wall under it). It is a nightmare with aquifers though but fun
@DruidsTears
2 ай бұрын
So far in my fortress I have now I managed to catch a dragon that came through. So I put him in a walled off pit and make him fight any goblin invaders I get by throwing them in.
@geemcspankinson
Ай бұрын
Neat, this is also what I did with my first proper fortress
@sampy901
2 ай бұрын
You can make scaffolding for building walls out of drawbridges and stairs, pretty easily
@ppultra8554
2 ай бұрын
WE LOVE YOU HOODIE HAIR
@TenInfi
23 күн бұрын
DFhack makes them build logically
@MsHojat
2 ай бұрын
phasing monsters: "hold my beer" j/k I assume they don't exist.
@rpscorp9457
2 ай бұрын
not yet at least.
@spaceman7019
Ай бұрын
now to conquer the surface
@wolfmanhcc
2 ай бұрын
Ive always just built wooden scaffolding along the wall.
@Daronsarts
2 ай бұрын
you can use the mod DF hack to have your dwarfs micro managed by itself.
@rpscorp9457
2 ай бұрын
DF hack is a must...as its an oversight by the dev, i dont see it as a hack.
@ixywas
2 ай бұрын
oh thank you, this an amazing idea
@zetathix
2 ай бұрын
Maybe make paths to the center and make an arena for those monsters to put on a fight show for dwarves who are looking at them while partying in the pub from the higher floors 😂
@WELLbethere
2 ай бұрын
Have you tried building scaffolds? Instead of just one stairs going up accessing all the floors, use a cheap material and treat the stairs like scaffold, building one adjacent to every wall. They're easy to disassemble at the end.
@minaitse7113
2 ай бұрын
Build stairswall then wall side by side then draws can build wall easy
@x8sNaKe8x
Ай бұрын
You don't need to micromanage wallbuilding if yoi construvt updown stairs along the wall. This way every dwarf has a path in and out. Just build tjem out of excess lightweight material such as wood
@nekkowe
2 ай бұрын
My preferred way to set up multy-story walls is to build floors next to them as scaffolding first.
@andrewm3210
2 ай бұрын
Really, it's the only way to do it where you don't have to micromanage the entire process.
@YankeeGuy00x
2 ай бұрын
Build a floor adjacent to the walls on upper levels and the dwarfs can access the whole wall and you can designate all at once.
@marsbron767
2 ай бұрын
Its beautiful
@kacpadestro8086
2 ай бұрын
A tip for making multi z level wall, I just build staircases pararel to the walls that makes sure dwarfs dont screw it up building
@YamaDrahma
2 ай бұрын
Problem? Walls. Spoken like a truu Urist McWallBuilder
@FinDan07
2 ай бұрын
Ive dealt with multi level walls before numerous times, and i just build stairwalls along every single wall tile to make the process smooth, then deconstruct the stairs one level at a time
@FinDan07
2 ай бұрын
*stairwells
@buddsbuddha
2 ай бұрын
This video is also why you shouldn't miss out watching when notified by youtube
@milliondollarmonstertv8081
2 ай бұрын
King of the caverns = King under the Mountain
@pr7342
2 ай бұрын
You are exactly what this community needs. A very popular streamer has become so jaded, DF has lost all enjoyment. LOVE YOUR VIDEOS
@alexorth8152
2 ай бұрын
Doing a lot of wall construction in this game has made DFhack a permanent staple because of the suspend manager making multi level walls and corner walls take no micromanagement
@Osmasker
2 ай бұрын
Great advice! I'm shocked D:
@t0xicrunner
2 ай бұрын
I typically just build stairs up to the top of the walls along the WHOLE wall, but only if it’s small. I think DFHack has a feature for making it be done smartly but that might be considered cheating by some!
@camilianSLC
2 ай бұрын
i.. didnt even know there were caverns.
@martianmr
2 ай бұрын
Weird, I do this on every fortress, I thought that's what everyone did! I feel like I wasted so much time!
@inigo137
18 күн бұрын
what is the beast climbing or flying over if the level above is covered by rock/floor?
@pietrocelano23
2 ай бұрын
you can just make the second level walls one tile offset, like the ones at 2:00 would've been easier if you placed the second layer of wall one block left so they can walk on the previous wall and place the next layer as they please
@severdislike4222
Ай бұрын
Yeeahh, wall construction in and by itself is why DF hack now lives forever on my DF playthroughs just to prevent that particular derp.
@_-_HomeLander_-_
2 ай бұрын
its just matter of time 100s of cavern guys stack up and cause fps drop
@colonel__klink7548
2 ай бұрын
Quick question: Cant cavern borders be used for a underground road to other dwarven settlements and invite trade and settlers? This is all theoretical... I never managed to find a cavern? Is that because I dig down to stone (generally no more than 5 levels ) and have been focused on community building rather than digging deeper and deeper and deeper. I just make mud basins and make farms there. Sort of additional thought. I ALWAYS use slopes to dig down. I figure I can at the least use minecarts, i can put roads but... are stairs just plain better? Building one deep stairwell down to a cavern?
@dob7343
2 ай бұрын
Do you know if your save will carry over to adventure mode ? Would love to see how everything turned out after the fortress was retired. Similar to an older video you made on the free version
@Robert-vk7je
2 ай бұрын
Something is wrong here... Is this an episode where no dwarf met a gruesome end?
@bloopahVIII
2 ай бұрын
perhaps that giant olm hit a dwarf off-screen, exploding his head in gore
@thetayz72
Ай бұрын
smart but maybe too foolproof? I'm surprised there aren't monsters that occasionally challenge your walls, necessitating at least a quick reaction force
@otomatiasko5674
Ай бұрын
Drawbridge :)
@Killjoy1079
2 ай бұрын
What about the cavern dwellers that invade? Like the ant people? It's been a bit since i've played, but I do recall them just spawning in the caverns and not coming in from the edges.
@hoodiehair
2 ай бұрын
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure they just look like they spawn in because they are invisible until spotted by a dwarf. I think they still have to come from the edges.
@tiggerbiggo
2 ай бұрын
Not played in a while and rarely ever built multi storey walls, but seems to me like the problem is having only a single staircase. If you put staircases next to every space that needs wall, does that not mean they then have the ability to just build any of the wall segments in any order? Or do they still get stuck somehow?
@potatoefacedfox
Ай бұрын
deditated wam
@uziasduarte5004
Ай бұрын
How about that creeper that explodes wall?
@dawidzambrowicz4932
Ай бұрын
i hhave no idea what this game is but i enjoy this video, cheers
@pavellishin2972
Ай бұрын
Can you not build stairs and floors to act as scaffold to build walls?
@Terrapin-gw6bb
2 ай бұрын
✅
@eduardomassano2135
2 ай бұрын
Cant you use bridges to wall of?
@ben5056
2 ай бұрын
Bridges, when raised, count as 1 level high. Should work for single floor sections of the cavern, though.
@Hakasedess
Ай бұрын
Personally, I actually dislike the cavers because of this kind of stuff I of course understand that you make your own Fun in dorf fort, but caverns just by how they work kind of put you in a situation where you either cheese it by blocking the entrances, nullifying the entire challenge of the "biome", or you accept that you'll lose dwarves all the time as your dwarves stumble in there and flee in the opposite direction of safety, or stand and fight (and die, because at best they have an axe against a poorly armored, but armored, fish man horde) There's just no easy way to manage the cavers to have that sense of challenge and danger, without all your dwarves dying in droves, and tearing the fortress apart as everyone's moods drop to 0 from having their whole family torn apart by neanderthals or whatever else. Not to mention the speed corpses build up at, and all the miasma that comes with it
@Hakasedess
Ай бұрын
Kitting everyone out with an axe is a bit of a bandaid, but I really wish you could designate a zone, kind of like a burrow, except in this zone there is a rule: dwarves may only enter if they have a currently active-duty military escort. Let me have my dwarves enter the untamed caverns, but on the condition they bring a guy with a warhammer and armor with them, because it is dangerous out there
@do0myk
26 күн бұрын
Please install dfhack it has builtin tools for most of the vanilla annoyances like construction and they are automatic
@Krixooks
2 ай бұрын
the issue I had with this cavern approach was that cavern dweller armies would just spawn in the edge pockets and sit there dragging down my FPS.
@underdoug
2 ай бұрын
Just set up a system of mine carts to regularly dump magma from the magma sea over the edge of the wall and into the edge pockets. Dwarven Hot Pockets.
@TrabberShir
Ай бұрын
You can build on the map edge in the caverns to prevent the spawns rather than trapping them. Your poor frame rate. I paused a bit less than half way in to type that. I made your mistake years ago, opening a wall that had been hiding 500 cavern invaders takes 9 fps to 9 spf.
@MyZk089
Ай бұрын
Just use DFhack auto designation so you wont have to fiddle with that wallshit
@BigKevSexyMan
2 ай бұрын
If you want to build your walls quicker, you build/carve a line of stairs going to the ceiling first. Then your dwarves will be able to prioritize walls on their own. Then you can deconstruct the stairs when the wall is built
@buttsauceable
2 ай бұрын
when you're making a two story wall like that try just making floors adjacent to the second story so dwarfs can build them in any order they want
@apostle602gmail
Ай бұрын
I don't get it, why no (popular) comments mention a possibility to just build slanted walls, like L - wall, 0 - nothing 00L 0L L Why would I care for straight walls somewhere far away where I don't even see them? No need to even make and then remove scaffolds, just use n-level wall as a scaffold for n+1. Also strange how I never played with immediately digging down to caverns, always doing it only when I have a decent full squad ready
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