It would be cool if there was a gimmick category of “Turtwig starter glitchless” where the player has to pick Turtwig and has to keep Turtwig in their party at all times
@legoerofeggos
Жыл бұрын
There is, go to the category extensions for pokemon platinum on the leaderboard, and go to "alt main pokes," and there are a couple runs for torterra as the main pokemon.
@typemasters2871
Жыл бұрын
@@legoerofeggos nice, thanks for informing me
@dlrsnate5100
Жыл бұрын
Is turtwig so unviable that it is a gimmick to use ?
@MrDdeded
Жыл бұрын
@@dlrsnate5100literally adds another turn to most battles because his speed is low. The opposing Pokémon will usually outspeed
@Saddiiiiiiiiii
10 ай бұрын
Will you have to keep Turtwig or can you use Torterra?
@GamingWarlord64
Жыл бұрын
If only it could be my boi!!!!!! but I understand he is very slow
@lulutheplayer4077
Жыл бұрын
My favourite starter of all time is Turtwig. Really cute but unfortunately slow😅🌱🐢
@PulseEffects
Жыл бұрын
Just for Turtwig 😢✊️
@xaldrortenderofthevats8948
Жыл бұрын
Grass type gang
@brucepotter8817
Жыл бұрын
Rip turtwig
@naaga7932
Жыл бұрын
I pick turtwig cause I put the green first😤
@alexpotts6520
Жыл бұрын
Bubble has *20* base power, it's honestly tragic for it. If Piplup learnt Water Gun instead there'd be no contest.
@plogplog207
11 ай бұрын
or a special pluck alternative maybe even icy wind
@solitare4602
7 ай бұрын
@@plogplog207 Do you mean the 40BP Gust? Or 55BP Air Cutter? 40BP Powder Snow? All of these moves are in Gen IV BTW. I don't know why Piplup can't learn these. It's stupid. This kind of thing is why Fire Types suck early in Gen V. They only get the 30BP Incinerate instead of 40BP Ember early on. Even the Victini that you can get super early in BW gets it's butt kicked early on because of Incinerate. 50BP Flame Charge doesn't help much either because by that point you need 60BP moves. It gets a little better with 75BP Flame Shot, but by that point you want to be using 80 to 100 BP moves.
@C4lmaria
Жыл бұрын
0:54 love how "pachirisu" is one of the boss battles
@lucygirl1111
Жыл бұрын
well he is the dragon slayer for a reason
@eltipidemalaguero
5 ай бұрын
He won a championship after all
@yoshiegg95
Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the suprise takeover of Torterra
@C4lmaria
Жыл бұрын
My man cant even flee from wild encounters by itself
@alexbrown8900
Жыл бұрын
@@C4lmaria buy repels and give him choice scarf. I call it
@C4lmaria
Жыл бұрын
@@alexbrown8900 that takes time
@alexbrown8900
Жыл бұрын
@@C4lmaria i was kidding anyways
@mykittystinksbad2
Жыл бұрын
@@C4lmaria My man? lmao what?
@All4Games4
Жыл бұрын
Trust in monkey, monkey cares for your mental well being. Penguin wants you to experience endless anxiety.
@aaravreddy9263
5 ай бұрын
True
@wilma_wessels
Жыл бұрын
Turtwig is the king of speedrunning in my heart. even if he's not in the race for it.
@TheAuraGuardian
Жыл бұрын
That's really cool Pulse, but did you know that you can beat Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl in under 15 minutes???
@PulseEffects
Жыл бұрын
No way that's crazy. 😱
@88porpoise
Жыл бұрын
Wait, did I hear Werster sticking with his water type starter against the new challenger? I can't believe he would ever do such a thing.
@Condetg
Жыл бұрын
Really interesting videos you are making. Thanks for the insight of pokémon speedrunning.
@flamechomp5075
Жыл бұрын
Crazy how much changes overtime, sure Chimchar starts off better in terms of speedrun strats, but doesn't finish off as strong. Piplup on the other hand certainly had the tougher early game (which thankfully is made easier through RNG manip) and thankfully has a strong finish, as an Empoleon especially with the choice specs which makes it insane with it's higher special attack.
@j.fischer707
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for summarizing the video I guess😅
@piralos1329
Жыл бұрын
Super interesting and cool video, thank you for the insight into it!! Also, shout out to the gravity rush music. What a blast from the past. Still wish those games had had a better reception, and more love.
@PulseEffects
Жыл бұрын
Gravity Rush has a very special place in my heart. I'm at least glad it was ported from Vita to consoles! 🙏
@minutosdesapercibidosesp-e4508
Жыл бұрын
''B-but my Monkeh is stronk you just need to-'' *''116 Surfs''*
@Xaaaach
Жыл бұрын
Well now someone needs to get the world record with Turtwig
@justsomeinternetguy560
Ай бұрын
It’s gonna be 3:40:XX
@metleon
Жыл бұрын
Thumnail should have had Turtwig patting Piplup on the back like "It'll be ok."
@CinJyxxe
Жыл бұрын
I cannot even begin to express to you why I thought this video, which was a fantastic and well thought out analysis of Platinum speedrunning with a relatively serious tone, would end with you joking about Torterra being the best starter and leaving the question unanswered. But I was ready for it down to the cellular level.
@PulseEffects
Жыл бұрын
Man...I should have done this LOL
@-penta-1357
Жыл бұрын
I think the debate should be less about who's the fastest and instead focus more on who's the most consistent. If Chimchar is able to finish more runs, which in turn leads to a more healthy competition and helps improve the speedrun meta for the game, then I'm Team Monkey all the way.
@scoagogo
Жыл бұрын
Piplup has lost the battle, but the war is far from over. Piplup will dominate once more!
@Hidden_Fern
Жыл бұрын
Really liked how you broke down the differences in the routes and why diff parts would take them longer or shorter, very interesting as always!
@chuuu4610
11 ай бұрын
Don’t worry ma grass turtle summer child… I like you even if you’re slow.
@hitavi4965
Жыл бұрын
As someone whose always loved chimchar since I got it as my first ever pokemon back in platinum I love to see how it's on top, but honestly I think eventually that record is gonna fall to empoleon's surf in double battles
@FAI_CW
Жыл бұрын
Huh...heavy sunshine routes would be cool actually. Never gave that a thought before
@MattMorency
11 ай бұрын
The penguin emperor commands: execute level 66.
@edra2005
Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the pokemon anime where chimchar steals food from piplup and they both fight and escape from Rowans lab while turtwig just continues eating
@romanfuchs1932
Жыл бұрын
8:50. Why, why were you so evil haha!
@samelol8149
Жыл бұрын
I have always wondered what moves become viable if you keep move animations enabled(like a memerun theorycrafting)
@JZer0
11 ай бұрын
I FEEL like physicals are going to dominate as the specials are way flashier and slower. haven't tested this.
@Thund3rDrag0n12
Жыл бұрын
This is an interesting discussion. In my opinion, Chimchar is overall better due to the early game. The early game's the hardest part of most Pokemon games because the Pokemon and trainers are at a relatively similar power level to you compared to the late game where you're at a much higher level and have EVs. So I'd say having a good early game and late game is overall better than having a dicey early game and an excellent late game. It'd be interesting to see what it would be like if Infernape learned Heat Wave though
@nicolaistuhlmuller8718
Жыл бұрын
In a speedrun you're generally leveled far below your opponents, after all Empoleon finishes on level 67, a lower level than Cynthia's Garchomp. Kanto speedruns are even harder, you finish on level 53, 10 or even 12 levels beyond the rival's starter. As for what matters more, generally in the lategame opponents have huge teams while early on you're only facing trainers with one or two mons, so for a speedrun a better lategame often saves more time. However an unreliable part of a speedrun will always be annoying, but if the riskier route is faster, then it's the better one.
@DemonLordRaiden
11 ай бұрын
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 Unless it's so risky that it's just not feasible. I'm certain someone will come along with a perfect Piplup time one of these days due to the nature of things, but unless you're pushing WRs, Chimchar run is better due to consistency. And that's assuming it can't also shave off time like the Piplup route can.
@BrittleBook326
Жыл бұрын
Oh please, everyone knows the best starter is unquestionably Turtwig
@christopherballero866
Жыл бұрын
Poor Turtwig not even in the running though I go with consistency over potentially better rates but luck dependent
@sandrobarreto7002
Жыл бұрын
8:53 oscar-worthy evil laugh
@houraisheperd9721
Жыл бұрын
I like the Gravity Rush music in the background.
@KillerKill95
Жыл бұрын
Would've been funny to add a little part for turtwig, saying something like "Oh we don't even mention Turtwig, with its awful world record of x:xx:xx"
@ternel
Жыл бұрын
Reject penguin return to monkey
@piyush1176
Жыл бұрын
For me it just seemed like Infernape with low sweep was all you needed to One shot anyone except ofc those who were immune to it.
@krisiverse
Жыл бұрын
Someone should submit a Piplup vs Chimchar race to GDQ
@SonCosmo
11 ай бұрын
i love that chimp
@idontwantahandlethough
Жыл бұрын
Bro you have an _exceptional_ evil laugh
@justsomeinternetguy560
Ай бұрын
Empoleon: Haha! I can learn surf, and you can’t! That’s an L for you! Infernape: Bibarel, surf. Bibarel: Ok. Empoleon: AAAAAAAAAAA-
@TCStink3
Жыл бұрын
*GUYS! IT’S TCNICK3!*
@Jugement
Жыл бұрын
So basically high floor vs high ceiling
@Lokiip
Жыл бұрын
Chimchar chimchar chimchar chimchar
@lucygirl1111
Жыл бұрын
it would have been very funny if it would have been said all these calculations and the best mon to speed run is turtwig XD
@mrfixa7702
Жыл бұрын
Good vid, this one alone deserves a sub
@Skel_fgc
Жыл бұрын
Truly a rough day for fellow Turtwig lovers
@driptcg
Жыл бұрын
Nice video, editing
@Vanderon500
Жыл бұрын
Can you do a video where you talk about the speed run Pokémon for each game. Some are unexpected; I’ve seen Nidoking for Red and Stoutland for Black and White. I want to know if there are any other unexpected ones
@traba1023
Жыл бұрын
This need to be settled at a gdq
@ultimapower6950
Жыл бұрын
NO: it would better settled on ESA
@user-AADZ
Жыл бұрын
6:56 Roarick msm?! 💀
@evachado1008
Жыл бұрын
Its kinda poetic that piplup is harder cuz in the dex it says that piplup is hard to train.
@PlayMadness
Жыл бұрын
In the sex 👀
@sagacious03
Жыл бұрын
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
@__thebadger
5 ай бұрын
I feel like if you can spend a minute or two getting the lucky egg, you can also spend a minute or two getting the earthquake tm for infernape, that can help with a lot of the double battles.
@mariogorgees3489
Жыл бұрын
this war can easily be solved with a TAS
@cuteygooki
Жыл бұрын
I love Empoleon
@noonenothing3898
Жыл бұрын
*sad turtwig noises*
@daddyespressodepresso2207
Жыл бұрын
I find it very interesting that the Infernape route goes for a Physical Moveset. Sure maximizing that early Mach Punch damage might be great, but Infernape still has an equally good Special Atk stat and has access to a lot of great special moves as well, including a 95 base power Flamethrower and a 100BP Heat Wave that also hits both opponents in Doubles. It even gets Vaccum Wave in Platinum. Maybe a Special Set with Timid or Modest nature could be enough to make use of that Choice Specs in the late game and be able to avoid the time loss from the extra text from Flare Blitz and Close Combat. It would also increase the damage of Grass Knot
@PulseEffects
Жыл бұрын
It uses Grass Knot and Flamethrower quite a bit! The late game hardly needs special moves though.
@jansonshrock2859
Жыл бұрын
my belief is that most of Infernape's counters you see in platinum are weaker physically or weak to fighting moves, with the few exceptions (heavy ground types) being extra squishy to grass knot, which as you say could still work in a physical attacking infernape due to his mostly equal attack/spa stats. Additionally Infernape can learn earthquake through TM
@craftedite
Жыл бұрын
None of these moves are viable for the speedrun: Flamethrower TM - Massive detour to Fuego ironworks to get Heat Wave - only available from a move tutor post game Vaccum Wave - Big timeloss collecting shards and going to move tutor (for a very low base power move)
@astridvalkyrie8458
Жыл бұрын
The irony of the precise speedrun being best done on the rng monkeh going ape xD
@worldsboss
Жыл бұрын
Or they could just use Turtwig and accept that they can't have nice things
@PhotonKingShark77
Жыл бұрын
I choose monkey
@typemasters2871
Жыл бұрын
Infernape gang rise up
@Edwinn_probably
Жыл бұрын
Nah… I will FLY up (with a staraptor)
@renegaderaven3777
Жыл бұрын
With no context I kinda just figured Chimchar would be better
@whocaresaboutmyname2535
Жыл бұрын
Poor TCNick3 Man...
@corbinmoore96
7 ай бұрын
What about Torterra? c;
@skyeschlueter9877
Жыл бұрын
It's really funny to me that Chimchar finishes more runs but Piplup's runs are better.
@jismeraiverhoeven
Жыл бұрын
Who is the best starter? Obviously turtwig 😂
@tho_tho
Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile as a Turtwig fan, it's sad to see how it gets screwed over so badly, Intimidate from Gyarados and the many Staravia, Bronzors and Bronzongs always defaulting to Levitate instead of Heatproof, no access to Rock Slide/Stone Edge until way later on to deal with flying mons, etc., even if it sweeps through the league and most gyms (besides Crusher Wake) without the tiniest of troubles. Really wish it was viable for speedruns, but even when it's not, it's still the starter I'll always pick! PS: It's Roark, you butchered the poor kid's name so many times lol
@choengchilling
Жыл бұрын
Finally sinnoh speedruns😎🥰😍💪👌
@oliverleonard7730
Жыл бұрын
Be interesting to see how this changes with Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl.
@oliviertoublanc9146
Жыл бұрын
Team Torterra!
@ramon2b2t
Жыл бұрын
ITS SO CRAZY THAT THE TIMES FOR BOTH MONS ARE 44 SECONDS APART
@ChocoKayke
Жыл бұрын
My fellow Turtwig fans... If we put our heads together, we can overtake them.
@cs7230
11 ай бұрын
I find it interesting that you use your starter throughout the entire game. Would have thought that maybe another mon you can catch at the start would be better.
@arashikage1292
Жыл бұрын
I believe in the TCNation supremacy
@Mr.Hellboi
Жыл бұрын
as soon as you evolve chimchar it learns mach punch and other moves that set you up for all your weaknesses
@leotrollstoy2351
5 ай бұрын
So it seems like the way to make a determination is to do two separate tas
@Boonetube27
Жыл бұрын
Piplup all the way. I have always LOVED Piplup, had a cute card of it before I lost it, and I always think of it, so adorable.
@GoodDayPenguin
Жыл бұрын
PIPLUP YEAHH
@bluenovacorgi8230
11 ай бұрын
I miss gen 5 sprites so bad 😭😭😭😭😭❤️❤️❤️ wish they would make a comeback....
@BooHi
Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile Turtwig speedrun is over 4 hours lol
@e7193
Жыл бұрын
this guy has the exact same voice as hoopsandhiphop and papasea ☠️
That mass effect OS hits different when you haven't played the game in ages
@user-ei8vz8xy1j
Жыл бұрын
we might need to product TAS run of both starter to completed this answer
@nicolaistuhlmuller8718
11 ай бұрын
In a TAS Piplup wins by far, but it's so incredibly unlikely that it pretty much won't be reproduced even remotely ever.
@mineyvoid1308
Жыл бұрын
I like the turtle.
@autumnshinespark
Жыл бұрын
I used to do casual Diamond speedruns with Chimchar, but yeah Hidden Power let me challenge the first gym before evolving.
@Cool-fr8dv
Жыл бұрын
Extremely common Piplup W
@mrfixa7702
Жыл бұрын
Chimchar was insane, bug types couldnt handle the ember, monferno’s mach punch screwed up rock types hard, infernape was quick and had enough dmg
@Sleepingfishie
Жыл бұрын
This is the best video yet
@AverageGamerGuyPlays
Жыл бұрын
Platinum Race: Piplup vs Chimchar at GDQ coming up?
@nicolaistuhlmuller8718
Жыл бұрын
I mean if Piplup's main issue is that almost any run fails before it picks up then a live event may not be the best place for it.
@AverageGamerGuyPlays
Жыл бұрын
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 You’ve never seen a run with a backup cart?
@flamefox0926
Жыл бұрын
POV; Me a turtwig enjoyer in pokemon platinum because I like smell of plants
@Roseyfinchartworks
Жыл бұрын
Heart eyes 😍 for the Mass effect instrumental you have my heart AND my attention
@parkouremaster
Жыл бұрын
I find funny how Grass starter it's the worst starter in every single speedrun
@ZerittYT
Жыл бұрын
Monke
@Nelsito99
Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see if the Japanese versions of these games pathing as the jpn pokemon platinum wr is faster than the eng wr so differences in language could be interesting to see and compare to eng runs of the same game
@Mustache99
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if by manipulating and giving a quick claw to torterra if he could be viable, i mean it evolves before of both piplup and chimchar
@Dragostorm21
Жыл бұрын
In battle rng is hard to manipulate (and the 7th gym seems rough)
@majelalover8837
Жыл бұрын
Quick Claw also makes the run slower, as it at least spawns a text box in gen4 onwards
@vinny4765
Жыл бұрын
We still use Piplup for post game runs though, right? I don't actually remember.
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