I like the realistic look. It makes me feel that they spent a lot of time on the plugin. The collapse button was a really great idea. And for a plugin that takes up this much screen space it is much needed.
@Zatore_
5 жыл бұрын
I like the analog style UI's because I have never used any of this vintage gear. I've been stuck on default UI's for a long time and vintage looking plugins are striking to look at.
@GuidoQuinceMaat
5 жыл бұрын
This UI seems to be a thing you come back to a lot and while you make a very solid point I feel like there is a distinction to be made. I agree with what you're saying when we're talking tools, like EQ, compression, de-essing and limiting. I love Fabfilter for these tasks because they make work efficient, insightfull and hassle-free. When we're talking creative effects (or even vintage-vibe FX like tape emulators or vintage modeled EQ's and compressors known for their vibe more then their uncanny ability to add distortion-free processing) I kind of love a skeumorphic UI for two main reasons. One is mentioned in a lot of other comments I've read, which is: A nice visual presentation can sort of trigger inspiration. But it is also a way to quickly find your way around a plugin, and even more so around various plugins. One has big buttons, one has smaller ones. Labeled, unlabled. Maybe the drive button has a grittyer look then the feedback button? I tend to loose my way on OSC-esque-controllersa lot for example. They're clean and efficient, but I keep having to read the label because the buttons themselves don't tell me anything. Echorec actually goes a step further, because the visual representation actually tells a story about what you're doing! For the non believers: I believe in Cubase/Nuendo you can actually shut the UI off and have a list of labled controllers if you'd like. Wouldn't surprise me if you could do the same in Reaper and maybe other DAWs.
@MrlegendOr
5 жыл бұрын
I prefer analog looking plugins. I don't like pro Q interface (very cold looking and no inspiring). This plugins sound dam good!
@erics2860
4 жыл бұрын
I got over plugin user interfaces a while ago. It's all coding so the UI is just for the pretty
@OliverAmberg
5 жыл бұрын
To be honest. I prefer analog looking plugins. And this in particular is very easy to use and understand. People with tiny screens can user other plugins.
@bloodyproduce
5 жыл бұрын
Of course, if you're making an emulation, it should be analog looking.. Analog looking plugins inspire me better..
@peterbrandt7911
5 жыл бұрын
Me as well. Am I influenced by that? Probably, like all of us, I assume. Do I care? Not a bit. All instruments (I just call plugins that too) try to attract potential buyers. I never saw any company, which makes ugly stuff on purpose.
@MrlegendOr
5 жыл бұрын
I don't like flat cold looking plugins
@lonnyhandwork422
5 жыл бұрын
I agree. Can’t imagine why you’d go to a “modern” interface for an emulation of a classic device. It looks great and looks how I’d expect it to.
@peterbrandt7911
5 жыл бұрын
@@lonnyhandwork422 Exactly and maybe people have used stuff like that before and can apply this.
@allen394
5 жыл бұрын
Its very easy to oil the motor! Just use SNAKE OIL!
@unfa00
5 жыл бұрын
I think you'll need to buy "digital motor oil" in form of a serial number to feed it every couple of months so it runs well...
@MultiFreddy34
5 жыл бұрын
lollllll
@XChristianNoirX
4 жыл бұрын
🤣 🤣 🤣 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥
@hersheybell8444
Жыл бұрын
"If it's a faithful representation, it must break down a lot" - that is priceless!!
@critical-thought
5 жыл бұрын
Fingers off the tape!!!! 😄 Nice thorough review, and enjoyed seeing your email exchange with them.
@xtrct7303
5 жыл бұрын
I have to somewhat disagree with you. Some plugin that designed with that modern flat look actually worse IMO (looking at you, Voxengo, and also Ableton, ofc not the newest ableton plugin like the Wavetable), because their UI doesn't really 'inspire' you to use them. Ofc it's the brilliance of Fabfilter's designer to design such an intuitive and usable modern UI, but I also really like some of those skeumorphic UI like those in Arturia plugin.
@PhatLvis
3 жыл бұрын
The spokesperson's explanatory answer to the analog-interface query was excellent, and perfectly persuasive. The realistic interface matters, and helps considerably; a so-called modern, sterile and spartan interface would certainly turn off potential users, including this one.
@PhatLvis
3 жыл бұрын
The comparison to Pro-Q is utterly inapt, as Pro-Q is not emulating analog hardware, and therefore has no referent on which to model its GUI.
@tinbots
5 жыл бұрын
Since 99% of plugin buyers have zero experience with the original hardware the idea that it will "help" the user understand "how or why" to get results is ridiculous. You can be sure that the "original" hardware would look completely different if the manufacturers did not have to worry about technical limitations or manufacturing costs - they would've been much more adventurous with their hardware designs both in "ergonomics" and excessive "bling" to make their product stand out on a shelf next to their competitors. Like the excessive use of chrome and tail fins in 1950s American cars ;-) Computer GUIs have no limits, and frankly, are most useful when they visualize parameters so well that you can achieve desired results even with the audio effect muted. FabFilter and Izotope are two brilliant examples... another is UVI - their Relayer Delay is the most comprehensive I've ever used AND it's GUI is outstanding (well worth a review!).
@electrofuzz7396
2 ай бұрын
The drive knob is magical, it's my favorite delay for any electric guitar.
@JimGramze
5 жыл бұрын
I agree that the top portion of Echorec should be optionally hidden. I do see that the user interface is very approachable and after watching your video I feel I understand it almost completely. As a control freak, I want this immediately: I can tell it EXACTLY how many echoes to create, and how loud they will be, it will sync to tempo, and the tone controls appear to be just right. So you have sold me on this plugin! I will first check out their website and then probably just buy it because it ticks off all the boxes in what I have been looking for. Thanks for this!
@XChristianNoirX
4 жыл бұрын
I will probably get this one. Just the drive alone sounds awesome.
@martijnvandongen
5 жыл бұрын
I demoed this plugin a while a go. I really like it on vocals and guitars and you can also use it as a distortion effect since you can set the delay on 0. I played with it and I think the GUI is pretty nice and easy to learn but in the end I didn't buy it. Although I really like the sound of it but I didn't buy it because sometimes I like to tweak a bit more. I went for the ValHalla Delay. Cheaper and more flexible!
@TonySkiens
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Looking at the analog interface gives inspiration and then motivation.
@Mikahaan
5 жыл бұрын
Hi there Wytse @White Sea Studio. You missed two features of this overly skeuomomorphic designed plugin; 1-) An Off mode allowing to use the plug-in as saturation without delay. 2-) Finger modulation of the disk speed (that's why your mouse pointer became active when over the spinning disk).
@Whiteseastudio
5 жыл бұрын
Really! I could modulate it with my mouse!? 😱
@tatabeat
5 жыл бұрын
in Reaper we always can choose the "UI" mode if we want to hide the fancy GUI
@DynamicRockers
5 жыл бұрын
Same in Cubase you can use the generic interface with sliders and values for each control
@peterbrandt7911
5 жыл бұрын
@@DynamicRockers *yuck*, I'd never. In Reaper it looks even more terrible, like a Win95 spreadsheet.
@tatabeat
5 жыл бұрын
but the sound is the same. :)
@peterbrandt7911
5 жыл бұрын
@@tatabeat yep, but an old dirty bag would keep you maybe warm as well, but that doesn't mean, that we like to wear such, unless we have to.
@jamesbruno6266
Жыл бұрын
In the end you don't see what the plugin's look like when you send your track out to be heard. I do use this one and a few of thier others because they sound good, easy to use and the price is right. Flashy interfaces don't impress me as much as good sounding simple to use ones that don't break the bank 👍
@Table-Top
5 жыл бұрын
Great idea for a "collapse" button for those on small screens who are not bothered so much about the visuals
@tmengucor
5 жыл бұрын
This plugin interface just looks and reacts great. There is nothing wrong in using a realistic GUI, wearing cool clothes or working in a clean studio. Oops..
@treztracks
5 жыл бұрын
I love the way it looks and sounds I have to try it
@davidsynge7030
5 жыл бұрын
Valhalla Delay? Ticks your UI preference box and has been getting great reviews...
@kimseniorb
5 жыл бұрын
David Cantan its outstanding when it comes to realtime delay time manipulation
@Etherealtheband
5 жыл бұрын
wish i bought valhalla delay instead of plate. Love their room plugin
@davidlindvall7267
5 жыл бұрын
@Erwin Vomberg I second this! Such a brilliant plugin.
@johnstitt2615
5 жыл бұрын
It is a creative delay with no nonsense interface. Sounds good.
@Perseus3248M
5 жыл бұрын
I have had echoboy for a while and it can do similar stuff, maybe a comparison?
@evoltap
5 жыл бұрын
Do you have Logic? I think you would like a feature logic has: in the top right of any plugin is an option called “view”. This switches between the flashy/rusty/moving-graphic interface of the plugin, and “controls”, which is just bare bones sliders and value fields. I use it to keep some plugins on the screen since they become VERY small. Personally I HATE plugins like this one with useless moving graphics. Not only does it take up real estate, but it’s taxing your GPU unnecessarily. GPU isn’t something we generally think about, but we want our wave forms and meters to be snappy and accurate in real time.
@GapRecordingsNamibia
5 жыл бұрын
100% correct! could not have said it better!
@FaithMonaco
5 жыл бұрын
Im actually drawn to the more modern technological interfaces like Goodhertz, it seems like plugins with interfaces like that are usually high quality.
@shaft9000
4 жыл бұрын
"modern technological interface" lol goodhertz' aesthetic is str8 up graphic-designer's dandy-land fluff
@stonecoldstone2993
3 жыл бұрын
if you read the manual--you will se that you can simulate slowing down the wheel whith the mouse just like you would do using your finger on the orginal
@JanSandahl
5 жыл бұрын
As one into 3D graphics as well, I had to pause and check, and yes - the rotation of the animation is also motion-blurred when it speeds up. They gave it their all (I'm sure someone responsible at the animation department goes "Someone noticed!!
@cadotrecords3468
4 жыл бұрын
Being a huge Pink Floyd fan I love this plugin. I want it to look like the real thing. It gives me inspiration.
@glyndwr15
Жыл бұрын
I have this plug and pair it with Arturia's Farfisa all the time.
@neal_laugman
5 жыл бұрын
Talked to Niccolò at Pulsar and he's considering a hide function for the drum/drive mechanism similar to what Slate Digital does with their Virtual Tape Machines plugin. I stated the case for a UI that's better for laptops and he said the will consider it in a future release. So their you go. I did purchase it. I remember seeing one of those waaay back in the 70s but never used it, but I had an Echoplex that I used with my Hammond and other keyboards. Having a ball with this vintage thing. (In loving memory of Pink Floyd's keyboardist Rick Wright - RIP...)
@Mansardian
5 жыл бұрын
I get your aversion to this kind of GUI and your opinion is always respected. But...you know, the look is always part of the deal. Fabfilter didn't try to emulate something existing, they gave you the best and most versatile tools possible. So what else should their plugins look like than the way they do? Of course, even their GUI had been designed to be appealing. They could have done it like Chris from Airwindows or all those JSFX in Reaper. The reply you got via e-mail is actually pretty good (I was surprised they worked for Arturia, too). I am totally in love with Arturia's compressors and yes, the GUI is a part of the user experience. Look, try to see it this way: I love the behaviour of the dbx 165a, so I wanted a plugin that behaves the same. I wanted to walk on the same road to get to the desired sound, with all the buttons and placements of the knobs. That is part of my workflow. So why should I be forced to get used to a new interface although I know and love the old one, just because it all went digital? Sure, rust and dust and all that is pretty useless...but take it as an expression of love. It is a tribute. If I need an innovative EQ I grab the fabfilter and don't care how it looks. If I need the sound and workflow of a 1073, I grab a plugin of a 1073, with all the expected and desired restrictions - and I take the familiar look as a bonus because I know in a second were I am and what to set. That's why digitalized instruments in aircraft cockpits resemble the old look of circular instruments. EDIT: you MUST try Arturia's compressors!
@user-es7jj7pt9w
2 жыл бұрын
Bought it today for 29 neuro, what a screamer, loving it. Played with for a few days in demo and after two sessions twiddling every knob to oblivion ... SOLD. DUB DUb Dub dub duB dUB DUB!
@horsezanthus5040
2 жыл бұрын
For me, the draw is the fact that this plugin emulates a piece of hardware that Syd Barrett of Pink Floyd used, and not a lot of plugin designers can say that about their product. Just my opinion though.
@Barncore
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly if i had the option between an analog-looking GUI vs a modern easy-to-use GUI i would go with the analog one every time. I really don't share your stance that plugins shouldn't look exactly like the analog hardware. I understand your point about efficiency, but the analog look is just fun. I don't have any analog gear and i enjoy geeking out over the analog emulations. It makes mixing more fun for me.
@Piotre
5 жыл бұрын
I think you missed important reason to keep simulation plugin like a real thing :) It is about learning curve for people who used actual hardware or own one (home many people has more than 1-3 hw 1176 for instance?). They can just start instantly work with it. But I fully agree with need to innovate not just copy the same thing again and again under different brands. And some of them are trying to do both. Trying to make soft clone of hardware but extending with new function or possibility. Like not fixed freq in soft, more choices, variations or even completely new mode not found in original hardware.
@Elia-xp4uu
5 жыл бұрын
they wouldn't even have to skin a "vanilla" ui, they can define knobs, labels, fader etc. as such and each daw will visually interpret this on their own. Airwindows does this, its not a lot of work and in some daws this makes automating values easier
@TheApeMachine
5 жыл бұрын
It's actually kinda true, this whole visual marketing point. The best tape emulation on the market is the AirWindows one, but hardly anybody knows this guy, and I am sure one of the reasons is because he literally has *no* interface, he just uses the default sliders that come from the VST GUI in the SDK. He even has some motto around this, but I can't remember it. Anyway, what I like about this vintage emulation craze in plugins is not so much whether or not they are perfect representations, but that they do have color, and you can use it for that, not like the original unit, but as a new thing altogether. Also, what is nice about plugins is that they work, contrary to a lot of vintage hardware units people have at home or in the studio, which is I am sure the reason you did not compare it to your hardware tape delay :p
@tommckeown6970
4 жыл бұрын
I know you hate photo realistic type interfaces. You make that clear on most every video. Personally, I do like interfaces that match the hardware that they are emulating. I'm not a fan of the Izotope style interfaces, though I use almost all their plugins. They feel a bit cold and sterile to me, but it's only a preference and has nothing to do with the sound. Speaking of which, I downloaded the demo of Echorec and spent a few minutes with it. I got instantly good results with it so i bought it. I do like your videos but equating a photo realistic interface to snakeoil is a pretty big stretch. Anyway, thanks for the videos. They are entertaining if not always educational. :-)
@matiasgiunta9
5 жыл бұрын
15:50 "People listen with their eyes and not with the ears, and this is why we are making interfaces", i agree 100%, this is what i said to a lot of people, remember we are making music, not graphic design.
@BugattiBoy01
5 жыл бұрын
So why cant you do both? Snob
@matiasgiunta9
5 жыл бұрын
@@BugattiBoy01 You can do it of course, i mean, if you are inside a DAW you are making music, so you have to listen and forget about what you see.
@muse-mech-moda
3 жыл бұрын
Around the 10:50 to 10:55 mark, you mention it's a tape delay. It isn't Echorecs don't respond like tape delays. They don't degrade (as much) as tape delays.
@thisisplegoleen7625
6 ай бұрын
7-8 minutes of the entire video was only for the look of the plugin!!!! Wow what the F*** man!!!
@Vintageman87
4 жыл бұрын
Steinberg Cubase has the collapse Button integrated, it named " Show as generic Paramaters" This works fine with every Plugin. :-) Thx for your Video :-) Greets from Germany
@g.marion5888
5 жыл бұрын
Part of the appeal of a realistic looking interface is it makes the user feel they could operate a real analog version of the effect if they come upon one.
@thimovijfschaft3271
5 жыл бұрын
What I also think about analog looking interfaces, is that it's great for people who do like analog but can't afford, or take care of it.
@rui5421
5 жыл бұрын
i agree with your point that there should be options with analog interfaces and a more simplified fab filter like interface, but i think you constantly complain about GUI, without an understanding of why it is important. Its valuable to markteting, its valuable to some people who are used to analog and want it to look like what they're used to. Its a way of transition those people to digital by setting them at ease. Its also about encouraging creativity in some people by the aesthetic and "vibe" rather than cold menus and data. You want to focus on work flow, but most artistic types and really people in general judge with their eyes. If someone made you two sandwiches, both with all the same content, but one was made with detailed consideration for presentation, and the other was just thrown together into a paper bag, how would it make you feel? would you be as enthusiastic about trying the paper bag junk sandwich? Aesthetic does not mean quality by default, but it is valuable when trying to do anything related in sales and trying to catch the eye of consumers.
@TheNightquaker
5 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day, it's a personal aesthetic preference, but at times I think that Wytse just doesn't understand the concept of that. And the concept that people like looking at analog interfaces, be it on the screen or on the hardware. They are pleasant to look at and can even add inspiration for music. And his constant repeats of interface rants in plugin reviews are honestly rather tiring. To the point that I just might watch his other things like console and hardware related stuff, along with general mastering vids and misc reviews, and skip the plugin reviews entirely.
@Projacked1
5 жыл бұрын
Aesthetics costs performance, always ...and especially intuitive workflow. If you do it long enough, you don't give a shit about aesthetics. This is all short-term marketing, probably because it doesn't sell as much as it looks. It's the same with this plugin, all the aesthectics and supposedly a full emulation....and it's not.
@TheNightquaker
5 жыл бұрын
@@Projacked1 Nope. Aesthetics doesn't always cost performance. That dependency varies on case-by-case basis and is not absolute. And besides, there are plenty of great emulations with analog-looking interfaces.
@rui5421
5 жыл бұрын
@@Projacked1 I think the flaw is the implication that many makers are intentionally trying to cover up flaws in their software by putting a pretty coat on it. I mean if every compressor came with some pull down menus and some flat sliders, how do makers appeal to consumers? how do they get people to try their product? How do they get their funding to make their products better over time? thats the long game. No company comes out with the best product ever, no updates, no v2, best product period first try. They evolve, and to do that as a new developer means getting customers. Satisfying those customers for now with what you can reasonably achieve with your technology and budget, and then building up new ideas and new innovations over time. Its a high bar to set when we say that companies need to come out of the gates with a better product than legacy companies that have history and far more captial from their history of products. Should they have new ideas? absolutely, but should we expect a fabfilter killer to emerge out of nowhere from version 1? I dont think so. To get them there, marketing, aesthetics and system are all valid parts to the ultimate goal.
@Projacked1
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheNightquaker of course it does, it's software....it's the UI that causes most if not all interferences/ and processing. Even if you don't notice it. Take away the pimpy graphics and the performance doubles or more. I close my eyes when I listen, no need for graphics.
@RealHomeRecording2
4 жыл бұрын
I like your GUI collapsing and vintage vs. modern/clean/Fabfilter-like choice ideas. It was pretty funny that you demo'd this on a vocal and not a guitar. Sounded pretty good to my ears!
@IMAWriterRobJ
5 жыл бұрын
I like the way this device sounds, and it is certainly as viable as the Waves Abbey Road tape delay. Respectfully, why does EVERY manufacturer of an LA2A or 1176 Software clone copy the hardware? Answer: It is an iconic design, and somehow inspires confidence that it will operate as closely to the originals as possible. Modern, Euro design of a purposely modeled piece of hardware, to me makes no sense whatsoever. I do agree there could be a slightly "hidden" button that would expose an added panel with features no found in the original. I'd just not want my La2A software to look like a video game. Maybe go easy on manufacturers who spend huge amounts of money on R&D, USUALLY with the honest belief that THEIR version, often among a dozen similar clones is the best unit. They wish tom prove that SONICALLY, not visually.
@bernhardnizynski4403
3 жыл бұрын
You have it wrong with the Dynacord - the tape goes clockwise - three record heads and two replay heads!
@TheGurner1
5 жыл бұрын
I have a couple of these type, the IK T-Racks Binson and the McDSP EC300, which is my favourite because it has built in side-chain ducking, which is my favourite thing ever! I must have another half dozen I forgot about ;-)
@davidbourke.icu.iseeyou
3 жыл бұрын
My tuppence worth: take the best of the past and leave the "authentic artifacts" behind. I lived through years of crappy vinyl and cassette tape, so hiss, crackle, and scratches annoy the heart and soul outta me. I like pristine sound. I like clarity. I like being able to perceive depth. I prefer to drink crystal clear water, not mud. Real authenticity is in the notes and pulses, and in the silences between them. I'm buying this, but I'll be turning off all the "make-it-sound-shit" switches.
@rogercabo5545
3 жыл бұрын
A nice idea to have a stats about the 3d use case! Another cool idea for a vst Demo, with 3D design, would be to destroy parts of it by time. Pickups fall down, knobs break, starts to steam. But you can repair it by clicking of different parts or knobs and you get working again. None knows when the demo period is over, but anytime it's. This is how you develop a relationship with the device because you kept fixing it. In the end you will buy it! This is how "games to pay for" working as well.
@rohitRraina
5 жыл бұрын
For $77 i guess this plugin id worth it . .. ❤️
@basicnoise
Жыл бұрын
Late to the party. Realistic 3Dish design can make sense, especially, when one used to have or still have a machine in RL. You exactly know immediately where to tweak, to get (hopefully) your favourite sound. I like both worlds - a good modern intuitive design can be more efficient. But a good realistic UI is always welcome, too.
@alexhormann8931
5 жыл бұрын
Definitely useful plugin. The overdrive sounds very tape like. But .... if they'd force the user to clean the heads and to oil the mechanics, it would be the first and long awaited tamagotchi plugin in vst and au format. Hehe
@psysword
4 жыл бұрын
Bought this plugin....awesome. Awesome. One of my favs. Very cool delay to work with.
@diymusic5762
5 жыл бұрын
What you have to take in consideration: Most plugin-manufacturing companies targets the biggest market, wich is the entry level producers, which also have been "youtubing" people like Andrew Scheps, Andy Wallace, Chris Lorde Alge etc. These guys ALWAYS front "outboard gear", and if you want to expand your sales you target the biggest market: Entry level producers. Of course they all by now know about "Neve preamps", "1176 comps" and "Pultec EQ`s", and they think the magic of old recording lies in the equipment. They have not yet seen the videos where all these "masters" say: I LOVE working in the box, and plugins sound so much better than outboard gear, and its a relief to escape the hassle of old "shit", IF you start using your EARS. This is why FL Studio outsells Reaper. Reaper is the best, cheapest, and most diverce DAW, and you get all the plugins you will ever need STOCK. But it "looks" like you`re programming i Linux when you`re mixing, it looks BORING. 3 weeks ago I started using Reaper after 12 years of other DAWS that looked a LOT better, and now I`ve finnaly started "listening" when producing/mixing. But I still understand that this is something that just EVOLVES, stop "knocking" the target-market, they get a "feel" with the visual type plugins, and dont want to boil it down to algoritms, that will come later ;)
@akhilchandrashekar1725
4 жыл бұрын
I think it sounded incredible
@PolaBurrr
5 жыл бұрын
i wonder how it compares to Audiority's and Overloud's versions ....... btw i like analog GUIs
@JeremyDoyleMusic
5 жыл бұрын
Wondering that myself, I've been using Audiority's version and enjoy it.
@ImagineRecordings
4 жыл бұрын
I did extensive demoing between all 3 over a couple weeks, and in blind tests the Audiority was the most preferred, with the Pulsar being a pretty close 2nd. The Overloud isn't bad or anything, but it has a more "digital" vibe than the Audiority and Pulsar versions. Not "digital" necessarily in terms of pure sound, but more so digital in the way that it behaves a little too cleanly and precisely. The Audiority on the other hand behaves astonishingly like the analog tape delays I've owned in the past. I couldn't believe my ears. All that being said, that's not a knock on the other companies' work. For example, Overloud's GEM 670 (Fairchild 670) is my/our favorite Fairchild modeled plugin. And the Pulsar Mu (Manley Vari-Mu) is amazing. Hope this helps give you some ideas and perspective! tl;dr - All 3 are solid, pro level plugins that could be used to make hits, but to my ears, the Audiority comes away with the win.
@PolaBurrr
4 жыл бұрын
@@ImagineRecordings thanx
@robertoj.fernandez2189
5 жыл бұрын
Sounds great I’ll use it. Great video
@b.robertson9042
5 жыл бұрын
It would have been useful to know how it stacks up to other tape delay plugins. Also, the way the tape speed affected frequency on your hardware unit, is that a desirable thing? Because, if not, there is no reason to put it on a plugin, even if you are trying to make a faithful recreation of the old hardware. Anyway, this does sound like it could be useful on more than just a few tracks.
@craigsmith2845
5 жыл бұрын
I would love to see you put the GetGood Drums Smash & Grab plugin through your Snake Oil test!
@adaptedvinyl
5 жыл бұрын
Hi White Sea. The clash of values here on the comments is fascinating. I totally get why you like tools that are honest and can't resist mocking the pictorial interfaces like this plugin. Yet so many in the comments find it very appealing. I'd really enjoy hearing your responses to the various types of comments people make in support of skeumorphism. If you survey it I think there's only a few different angles people are commenting from. It'll keep it interesting if you can notice more details about your reaction to that thinking for us to hear about. For me I'm starting to realise that people really do think in very different manners to each other. There's always a diversity of viewpoints. Someone like me just can't help rolling my eyes when people are fascinated with celebrities but I accept that for a lot people they prefer fake but entertaining stuff over more authentic stuff that requires greater engagement to provide the same level of overall stimulation. It's the same with these plugins.
@glyndwr15
Жыл бұрын
I have a few Echorec plugs to compare this to (Audiority, DDMF, Overloud etc), and this one is my favorite out of all of them. Honestly, UI preferences aside, it just sounds better. Pulsar's other plugs are fantastic sounding as well, imo.
@ekeytenacious8573
5 жыл бұрын
Wytse, can't mention this enough, but maybe do some review on the Dutch company Toneboosters(especially their reelbus4 plugin). Simple Gui, low price, high quality.
@davelordy
5 жыл бұрын
In Logic you can turn the visual interface off if you want, simply change the editor view (top right on all plug-ins) from 'Editor' to 'Controls' - your lovely recreation of a tape deck or reverb unit will be replaced by a list of parameters with sliders / values on a plain black background . . . personally I think this stance against these kinds of UIs is kinda' pointless, we are visual animals, visuals are important.
@timothybrannigan
5 жыл бұрын
I agree, these types of GUI’s are sort of clickbait. So are plugins that supposedly emulate some famous engineer’s gear. How many SSL channel strips, pultecs, 1176’s...? The market is flooded with it. Fabfilter does a nice job of their graphics in my opinion. If I’m going to ‘look at’ my audio, at least show me something that graphically has to do with audio engineering. There’s nothing sexier than putting your hands on classic studio gear, but when we’re not, we’re not. So let’s advance our trade with innovative ideas. I really enjoy your content. Thanks for your work. Cheers - Tim
@NoNameLeft1500
5 жыл бұрын
there are two sides of guis... the thing with modern digital GUIs are they need to be designed very well in terms of functionality and information and useability and useage (workflow etc) and also aesthetics (they are often more importend then someone might think... also because aesthetics can also be kind of a guide like colorcoding differend aspects and so on) ... if the digital GUI is well designed... then they are a joy to use... however there are also some plugins.. were the design isn't very well done... and the useability becomes a struggle... "analog" guis on the otherhand they mught not give the functionality and informative and fast was of use like a well designed modern gui .. but are often more safe not to create a complete mess... so still beeing more or less intuitive to use... and I can imagine to develop and design a good modern GUI .. can be harder then design an analog GUI... the analog GUI might be more work in terms of art.. to make it nice... but in terms of thinking and use and so on... a modern GUI can be quite hard to do it right I can imagine... because it almost goes into some kind of psychological behavior analysis or so.. with what most of our brains can work best and so on...
@CRayBeats
5 жыл бұрын
I think you can get the sound you want with just a bit of tweaking the controls. Nice video.
@kevinellis4729
5 жыл бұрын
I personally don't have a 'problem' with skeuomorphic UIs just because you can definitely make the argument that everyone knows how to use buttons and knobs and there's a certain amount of comfort/familiarity it imparts to the user.
@david_a_uno
8 ай бұрын
Looks have value, even if the end result is sonic. It's all part of the user experience and our eyes are the first to arrive.
@yony_music
4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion all of the plugins that emulate a specific analog hardware should have a analog looking interface, and plugins that were invented as plugins, and don t emulate any hardware should have a modern looking interface
@ReeWebster
4 жыл бұрын
By all means use your eyes, the meters are there for a reason. But also, remember to close your eyes or look away when auditioning/A-Bing, as you said, it’s really simple.
@letsallbe-friends1120
4 жыл бұрын
This plugin instantly turned me into Dave Gilmour!..... I do now miss my hairline however. 😄
@mrnelsonius5631
3 жыл бұрын
I actually use an Echorec emulation pedal on guitar and bass, the Catalinbread Echorec, and to my ears it actually sounds more like a real Echorec than this. The plugin models the analog saturation stages better but it’s missing this very specific metallic ringing modulation found in the original. Which the pedal does way better. I’ve used a real Echorec a lot, it’s my favorite vintage delay unit, so I had high hopes for this plugin
@drstkova
4 жыл бұрын
Magnetic but conducting... the word you were searching for is “ferrous”. Meaning it contains the chemical Fe (Iron).
@davidsynge7030
5 жыл бұрын
What they should really do is allow a way to make 3rd party skins like in Reaper. If they don't have the time to build a second interface then make that aspect open source... it's just a few parameter sliders, it can't be that difficult to facilitate.
@kaitsu9608
5 жыл бұрын
Ableton sort of has it, you can set all parameters to appear inside device box and make it default. Lot of plugs are pre mapped like that too
@davidsynge7030
5 жыл бұрын
@@kaitsu9608 that's true. I used Ableton for years and had to abandon it because of stability issues in 10 and could never go back because workflow for mixing in Reaper is so much smoother. Proves it's a fairly simple thing to translate parameters to simple sliders, though.
@anonagain
5 жыл бұрын
That GUI reminds me of the song Merry Go Round by Wild Man Fischer.
@0e0
5 жыл бұрын
you would like ValhallaDelay amazing sound and no nonsense UI
@jacobsmith1877
2 жыл бұрын
I think they should add the modern UI as a collapsable top window like they did on the Pulsar Massive. It would be great to have a visualization of the delay timing and filtering behind the dry signal.
@ltdknwldg
5 жыл бұрын
Oh, and I saw Valhalla Delay mentioned here... simple but great user interface, and I believe, awesome sound! You might like.
@0421072
5 жыл бұрын
I like the Valhalla interface the best out of all the plugins I have. I can get usable sounds quickly. It is also pleasing to the eye.
@cottoo1
5 жыл бұрын
I like using good looking plugins.
@michaelwirth6843
4 жыл бұрын
I think this is the best delay on the plugin market. But, I agree about one thing it´s really easy to be fooled by plugins with fancy retro looks. I maybe have one hundred plugin compressors, I wonder how many of them are amost identical soundwise? Probably a lot of them.
@anthonylee3311
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. There's lots of choices now out there for tape delay/echo. PlexiTape by Audiority is my personal fav and I'd love to see you do a snake oil vid for it (it's NOT snake oil by the way!)
@peterheinen6110
4 жыл бұрын
Sounds okay. But Soundtoys echoboy echorec (Binson clone) preset does approx. the same, while presenting many, many other delays in that Echoboy plugin
@ChessmasterHex
5 жыл бұрын
It really does sound good and I would love to play with that interface for a bit but it defo looks a bit gimmicky as you mentioned, I spent my money on Echoboy years ago and have no regrets!
@midnightrun5
3 жыл бұрын
YOU ARE AWESOME!
@dykodesigns
5 жыл бұрын
The spinning disc looks cool. I wonder if they modelled this thing in 3d and rendered it on 2d surface. What I would like in these skeudomorphic interfaces are spinbox controls under the knobs. So that you can click an up/down arrow and even change the actual nummerical value with the keyboard. Software synthesizers often have the same design ethos as effect plugins, a lot of eye candy but not always easy to use. Personally I think Korg does a reasonble job at finding the balance between pretty looking and easy using. I use quite a few of their iPad apps like iM1 and iWavestation and Gadget. With Gadget the controls can sometimes be a bit finnicky with the touch screen but their wavestation app is really well done when it comes to sound editing, you can kind of manupilate the parameters like fabfilter. Somethimes and old windows 95 interface (like the airwindows plugins) will do just fine, as a structural engineer I often work with a program called "Technosoft Raamwerken" which still looks like a windows 95 program but it works really well and is easy and fast to use. If I look at old school daw's like Cubase on the Atari, the design was very simple but also functionally designed. The technical restrisctions of the monochrome low-res display forced the developers to think about the design in a functional way and not waste the screen real estate with eye candy.
@duboracle
5 жыл бұрын
How to make your own delay with a loop back connection in a vst patchbay or vst rack ? That would be cool but i cant fix this. Just one repeat with a standard delay, than a tape or tube emulation, a EQ and a limiter for safety. Gimmi, gimmi, gimmi dah answer.
@matthewdeward1984
4 жыл бұрын
they bombard us with plug ins, I as most others love a good plugg in, however I started when there wasnt pc recording (readily available) late 80-90s, where WE HAD TO MAKE IT sound good. I am a firm believer in restrictions sometimes force creativity
@alexdakar1994
4 жыл бұрын
I really like the realistic interface, at least, forr those who already know how the hardware work, it s not necessary to relearn how to use it as a plugin.
@dbhammond
5 жыл бұрын
In addition to Valhalla Delay, check out Augustus Loop. Tape instead of disk, otherwise it does everything this Echorec sim will do and *much* more. If you know what the delay ratios on the Echorec taps are, it’s pretty easy to set up an “Echorec” preset on it. Only you get a plugin with a lot more capability (looping, long “frippertronic” delay times, digital/tape sim, complete control of filters, saturation, etc). IIRC it’s roughly the same price as this one too.
@toff1974
5 жыл бұрын
ON the GUI, if you are emulating a peice of hardware, surely if you make the interface different to how the hardware looked, it would be confusing to use and then not 'authentic' to the original hardware. FabFilter doesn't emulate specific hardware so can be experimantal with their interface.. and it works a treat. I dont mind either unless it (as you also say) impacts usability. Great review.
@donnythompson408
5 жыл бұрын
I wonder - if a plug was made into 2 different GUI’s, with the only difference between the versions being the graphics; one version with great-looking 3D graphics, colors, animation, authentic to the look of the actual hardware its trying to emulate... and then, another version of the exact same plug, but with a sparse looking GUI - all the same controls - but without all the color, animation, etc... Then, let random users try both, on the premise that they are trying two different plugs, and see how many of them choose the “sound” of the fancy looking GUI; and how many would be able to “listen” past the visual, and hear that both are actually identical in sound... I’m betting that the fancy looking GUI version of the plug would garner the most votes for “sounding” the best. Though, I would hope that at least a few people would find no sonic difference between them... FWIW
@eoinhayes5025
5 жыл бұрын
I like and use both analog looking plug-ins and the fab filter more 'modern digital' looking plugins. I do agree that sometimes the vintage looking ones can be annoying to turn a knob because you have to go left or right when up or down feels more intuitive on some. The waves API eqs come to mind. I do however think you are missing the point on why people including myself like those vintage style faces. Most of us probably, even though I do run a small professional studio, will never be able to afford loads of Neve, Urei or Abbey Roads gear and this allows people to somewhat buy into the history of music production and feel they can be familiar with the gear without ever owning the physical unit. From experience too, I can say that having used a plugin emulation and then using the real thing, you feel like you have a head start and know what knob is what..
@Sushibeats1337
5 жыл бұрын
Love your vids! If I may request a video/content... Dither and dither plugins
@marcclement7790
5 жыл бұрын
If you go behind your monitor ,there are some vents, this is where you put the oil in.
@SPLMixing
5 жыл бұрын
Add some snake oil to the plugin to loosen it up too
@lewisknudsen1
5 жыл бұрын
"If it's a faithful emulation it should also break down a lot! LOL!!
@anonagain
5 жыл бұрын
Not if you oil the motor, but it made my screen slippery.
@ltdknwldg
5 жыл бұрын
I get why they make those interfaces. Nostalgic eye candy. For some of us, it feels like a chance to use vintage gear that we’ll never have the chance to actually get our hands on. Although I totally understand, and agree with your point of view on plugin user interface design, most of us aren’t necessarily quite as practical. Sometimes, if it looks good, and if it promises some kind of “classic magic” we’re sold! And I believe many developers know this, therefore we have analog inspired plugin interfaces. That is, at least what I think. From a business perspective, innovation can be viewed as risky for some developers, I suppose. Anyway, Audiority and Overloud also make their on versions of this delay. I know you don’t usually do plugin comparison videos, but if you like, you could check them out: www.audiority.com/shop/echoes-t7e/ www.overloud.com/products/echoson Their interfaces... well, you know.
@OzricTentaclesRule
5 жыл бұрын
Really the only people who can tell the difference are the people who have had the opportunity to work with both the analog gear and this plugin... I think you nailed it about the UI... if it looks like some vintage piece then the buyer will perhaps think its a 1 to 1 sound similarity between the two. It may I think lull more buyers this way than saying it emulates such and such and looks completely different. On a side not this did do some interesting delay I thought and might be a solid plugin for some unique delay color and there is no breakdown or head failure... just keeping some of that older gear working is a challenge for most people.
@elwrongo
Жыл бұрын
I think this thing sounds good. There are quite a few tape delay emulaions out there but not many Echorec's and this is a good one. Pulsar have taken the time with the sound as well as the look (which is important too for a vintage gear guy like me). One thing missing is a standalone version for those who just want to plug into it. Hide half GUI is a good idea. You review should also see what the tube drive control is like on a guitar or synth signal. How many parameters are midi controllable (I would assume all but hey).
@DJActionVasquez
5 жыл бұрын
I like it! I like the look, the performance and it's not expensive. I think it's gonna sell good enough
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