NOTE: We're aware of the sound volume issue and have fixed it for future episodes. We apologize for the error.
@anyanyanyanyanyany3551
3 жыл бұрын
just to add, I think it would be more professional and engaging if you would look at the audience (camera) more frequently rather than reading from a screen. Your narration is very, very good, but body language also matters greatly for viewers.
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
@@anyanyanyanyanyany3551 Yes, as soon as we have the budget we're purchasing a teleprompter.
@stevejquest
3 жыл бұрын
The word "Gigawatts" is pronounced the same as you would pronounce the word "gigantic" or "giant". The Latin root is "gigantos" meaning very large. It's a common mistake. :-)
@anyanyanyanyanyany3551
3 жыл бұрын
@@stevejquest dictionary.com and Merriam Webster accepts both pronunciations while Cambridge Dictionary only uses the common pronunciation. Just sayin'
@stevejquest
3 жыл бұрын
@@anyanyanyanyanyany3551 You're right, when 90% of a word's users pronounce it wrong, the dictionaries are compelled to accept the incorrect "alternate" pronunciation. Even words invented by Sarah Palin (refudiate) and GW Bush (misunderestimate) have found their way into the dictionaries. But that doesn't make it right. ;-) It's up to us to correct the mistake and propagate the truth. :-)
@anyanyanyanyanyany3551
3 жыл бұрын
Very good summary of the 40-minute presentation by Lars Jorgensen. I'm an Indonesian and I'm very excited for this nuclear-powered future. If everything goes well, Indonesia will have its first nuclear power plant and may well be a hub for ThorCon's MSR production in the Southeast Asia region, which will give a tremendous boost to its future economy. The shipbuilding company you referred to is PT PAL, a state-owned shipbuilding enterprise that's also known for fabricating the main steel structure of the Holtekamp Bridge in Papua. So I have no doubt that PT PAL is experienced with this kind of modular construction as well.
@chapter4travels
2 жыл бұрын
Have you heard any updated news?
@deanmohamed795
3 жыл бұрын
Your coverage on THORCON is incredible 👍 Looking forward it become a reality in 10 years time!
@PeterSodhi
3 жыл бұрын
Wow incredible news... THORIUM all the way!
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Indeed! Go thorium!
@hellstromcarbunkle8857
3 жыл бұрын
@@RockLogicWithSeanKenny More like "Go away THorium" thebulletin.org/2014/05/thorium-the-wonder-fuel-that-wasnt/
@RasmusSchultz
3 жыл бұрын
@@hellstromcarbunkle8857 that article is seven years old - that's a lifetime in science! several startups around the world are now attempting to establish reactor builds at a commercial scale - several have received considerable funding grants, so somebody believes in this. 🙂
@hellstromcarbunkle8857
3 жыл бұрын
@@RasmusSchultz No it isn't. Nuclear reactor designs from 1972 are still called "cutting edge" (pebble bed, LFTR, etc.). This isn't science, it's civil engineering.
@RasmusSchultz
3 жыл бұрын
@@hellstromcarbunkle8857 well, they employ people with advanced degrees in material science, theoretical physics and chemical engineering. Scientists. So I'm not sure what your point is.
@owluitar
3 жыл бұрын
You did an excellent review of the bonuses to ThorCON's design, and I am glad to subscribe to the channel! It will be interesting to have you review in the future how the regulatory process is going to see if this technology stays on schedule. As a Ph.D. student in Chemistry, I am be very interested in the flexibility of their coolant/ fuel salt concentrations with regards to recycling and fission product removal. Fluorides are also very corrosive, so it will be good to see in these next 5 years of testing whether or not the 4 year replacement time for a tank will need to be adjusted in practice. Also, if I'm not mistaken, one of the key benefits of these reactors is reduced downtime when refueling because it's like replacing a filled bottle as opposed to old school solid fuel removal (which can take months in many cases). Also, these types of MSRs are scalable in terms of power output for the same size reactor body by using different fuel salt and neutronics conditions (flow rate, fuel concentration, etc.) For another point, specific to Thorium fuel, the startup process will require fissile material (like HALEU or HEU or Pu, etc.) to start the conversion of Th232 to Th233 to Pa233 to U233 which is roughly a month long cycle in some designs (not specifically just ThorCON's)
@danekappler2422
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent summary! I hang my head in shame that the country that developed MSTR cannot get their bureaucratic act together to make their own developments work. I would LOVE to work with such a company (as a Health Physicist), IF I wasn't relegated to work in California, Massachusetts, or Indonesia.
@sammcrae8892
Жыл бұрын
They don't want to do it. They want other countries to succeed, and the US to FALL. They are very aware of the situation and they don't want change it.
@jamesstephenson352
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for the good news
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@tomshackell
3 жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan of what ThorCon are doing, I think their shipyard manufacturing concept is a really good idea that gives huge potential to scale. This is a really uranium cycle design with some thorium as a "fuel additive" as they describe it. Not that this is in any way a bad thing. Some minor corrections to your video: 2:20 - Indonesia is the 4th largest country by "population", not by "population density". 5:38 - Steam turbines are the same ones used in coal plants. However, current nuclear plants require specialised (expensive) low-temperature turbines which ThorCon will not need as a high-temperature reactor. 5:50 - the primary fuel used is high-assay low-enriched uranium (HALEU), which is *not* yet commercially available. ThorCon have said if they struggle with sourcing sufficient HALEU they would move to using standing LEU, although this would mean they would not be able to use thorium. That wouldn't really a problem because their design is a uranium burner after all.
@chapter4travels
3 жыл бұрын
They do use regular steam generators because their output temperature is much higher than LWR's about 700c. Using HALEU they can go 20% uranium/80% thorium. With LEU it's more like 50/50.
@ftc9258
3 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to catch your interview with Lars Jorgensen. ; )
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
No plans yet, but we hope to have him on soon!
@ihopetowin
3 жыл бұрын
I see a world of global cooperation and development with thorium powering an intercontinental maglev train network among many other grand works of infrastructure and to that end a world with fewer and fewer conflicts. I see higher levels in the standard of living being achieved, education and imagination in general being the order of the day and the people rejoicing in humanity's reach for the stars.
@tsamuel6224
3 жыл бұрын
Clearly excessive optimism, the problems of the immediate future include massive desertification that will drive conflict. History tells us people always wait too long to solve problems the easy way.
@ihopetowin
3 жыл бұрын
@@tsamuel6224 Pompous little thing. I follow the optimism of Leibniz, I believe in the human spirit and natural law.
@tylerdurden4080
3 жыл бұрын
What planet do you live on?
@ihopetowin
3 жыл бұрын
@@tylerdurden4080 One with a soul and an imagination, a place where cynicism and defeatism fear to tread.
@tylerdurden4080
3 жыл бұрын
@@ihopetowin sounds like a dream. But I don't believe it's reality..... though it could be
@punditgi
3 жыл бұрын
Beautifully presented. First rate information as well. Bravo, sir! 😃
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly!
@drmosfet
3 жыл бұрын
Considering all the time wasted by NRC, a floating thorium power plant makes a lot of sense when the ocean start to rise up the reactor can just be move in closer to the new shoreline.
@red-baitingswine8816
3 жыл бұрын
Seems clear to me that the biggest factor against US MSRs is some defense establishment desire (imo mistaken) to exploit Uranium in some way - nothing else makes any rational sense.
@jimlambrick3248
3 жыл бұрын
This seems like a really great, well conceived idea.
@muhammadirfanataulawal7630
3 жыл бұрын
An important update for Thorcon and PAL project here in Indonesia Thorcon has finally pinpoint the reactor and plant location on one of the island on Bangka Province and signed a feasibility study with PLNE (a subsidiary company under PLN, national electricity providers) for this site. They're pretty confident to launch commercial operation on 2028
@chapter4travels
3 жыл бұрын
Do you have a source for this info? I have been unable to find anything about this.
@daud8210
2 жыл бұрын
@@chapter4travels search with english keyword, it's under radar our media
@chapter4travels
2 жыл бұрын
@@daud8210 I have no idea what your comment means.
@MaxB6851
2 жыл бұрын
Ships that are nearing their 'Use by Date' should be fitted with a Thorium fueled Liquid Salt Reactor and a Desalination plant to become a fleet that can be dispatched to any part of the world where drought is being experienced to tie up at a wharf and supply electricity and fresh water straight out of the harbour
@alaneasthope2357
3 жыл бұрын
I have real reservations about conventional nuclear reactors (Chernobyl, Fukoshima to name a couple), but this technology is really promising. Passive safety systems and readily available technology and minimal decommissioning costs. I hope ThorCon can make a go of this, and the idea of putting it on a barge and towing it where it's needed is inspired.
@smhayden1
3 жыл бұрын
Very clear thinking
@reypolice5231
3 жыл бұрын
@ Rock logic Thank you for all you do. As an Auditor of the thorium industry that is emerging as operational, you have been doing an exhaustive study which is most helpful to those that don't have the time to do all your research. May I ask you for a video with an exploded view of the build where each part is gone over to get a closer look at their specs, on their build. I have a few concerns about the build which may be valid. 1. Do they have a extensive nuclear radiation containment shield as in triple redundancy, so that it eliminates as much as possible: The ambient nuclear energy broadcast that plagues current nuclear stations. Whenever I drive by a nuclear power plant I can feel it within several miles before I reach the power plant and as I go by it it increases, then when I drive away I'm still feeling it till I'm about 5 mi away from the plant. To park a nuclear facility right on top of a major city in my opinion would cause health problems long-term to the population, from the nuclear ambient energy. 2. Also a tsunami, as what happened in Japan/ hurricanes/ tornadoes/earthquake/ could possibly damage this vessel unless it was dry docked, properly to address all of the above concerns. This would raise the cost of the build considerably. If that happened, like in Japan it would contaminate the local area. 3. I feel they need to build a boat within a boat that surrounds the parts of the system that are most vulnerable to a catastrophe; would be inside of a storage box, that would be as impenetrable as possible. So that even if the barge or ship were sunk or attacked by terrorists they could not damage the core components: THAT could cause a nuclear fallout to contaminate the city. Any opinions you might have would be most valuable regarding these concerns. Thank you.
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome and thankyou for the comment. To address some of your concerns I will admit that I may have glazed over some of the finer details of thorcons design. 1. In addition to being surrounded by steel and concrete. The reactors are surrounded by several columns of water for radiation and decay heat removal. 2. Being a molten salt reactor it has inherent safety systems such as a freeze plug to drain the fuel into a drain tank that would stop fission and solidify in the event of a major disaster. Because the fuel is in liquid form there is zero chance of a meltdown leading to an explosion to have a fukushima or Chernobyl like disaster. Salts are chemically stable and in the event of contact with room temperature air it would instantly become solid and not leak out. 3. The barge doesn't really float in this case it would sink down once it arrives in port and lie along the bed rock. This would make it far more stable in the event of a quake or tsunami. The walls have been computer modeled and tested to sustain a 747 hitting the side of the building which would be an absolute worse case scenario. The steel haul is designed to be reinforced to prevent significant damage from such an instance.
@reypolice5231
3 жыл бұрын
@@RockLogicWithSeanKenny Thank you for responding. I still hope you have the ability to do a video with an exploded view and detail of the barge build, if possible.
@garynapolitano1270
3 жыл бұрын
Regulatory issues aside, do you think one of these Thorcon reactors would retrofit on the footprint of Pilgrim Station? The decommissioned fission reactor on the coast of Plymouth MA ?
@markwright196
3 жыл бұрын
These are somewhat Ok though for US a MSR fast breeder would be far better as it burns spent fuel for 40 yrs.
@mburnzy9269
3 жыл бұрын
What about a tsunami? I'm not trying to be a smart ass either. It just seems to be a vulnerability, not a big one but still.
@markwright196
3 жыл бұрын
@@mburnzy9269 Tsunami were a issue for japan due to the system needing power to shut down and their procedures were wrong. MSRs dont need anything its a walk away system it shuts itself off ... just cools
@mburnzy9269
3 жыл бұрын
@@markwright196 It's on a barge that's in the water 🌊. I mean it does depend on how close to the shore it is but a tsunami could seriously damage a barge. I'm not really concerned about radiation leaking but the time it takes to get back online. Thanks
@markwright196
3 жыл бұрын
@@mburnzy9269 As a structure they are immensely strong. plus its not floating its bedded on sand... its just floated in. As for any outage I would guess the supporting grid would take longer. tsunamis are very low wave fronts moving fast... so if a 747 can hit it and it be ok the wave would be massively less as the impact is so distributed.
@warpigxxxl18
3 жыл бұрын
Fix your sound volume, it's going up and down the entire video!
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Producer Jessica here - Apologies for that! Must have slipped QC. Will correct on future episodes.
@hermanmunster8655
2 жыл бұрын
thank you for this take, i really appreciate the rundown and the use of nuclear waste is an added bonus 👌
@daviddreyer6109
3 жыл бұрын
Rock solid!☄
@jonathanspilhaus3165
3 жыл бұрын
Brillant, i hope to see this replace coal in Poland, where I live
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
That would be fantastic!
@LOGICZOMBIE
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your contribution.
@terminusest5902
2 жыл бұрын
How fast does the salt flow through the heat exchanger?
@JohnJ469
3 жыл бұрын
Regulatory problems come in all areas. In Australia Rutan designed aircraft had a huge problem getting airworthy certificates. Australian regulations required that an aircraft design be capable of recovering from a stall. The canard design of the Rutan craft cannot stall, since they can't stall, they can't recover from one. It took years to get through the thick heads of the bureaucrats.
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
This is true, but I wasn't aware it was that bad in Australia. I appreciate the insight John.
@EricOlszewski
3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant synopsis of what's going on with ThorCon with this Indonesia deal!
@MobiusMinded
3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic
@richbuckley6917
3 жыл бұрын
Sean, please update us on what type of SMR is being built at Los Alamos Nation Lab. Los Alamos National Lab is building a demonstration small modular reactor (SMR) on site. They are focused on modularity in reactor design. I suspect the focus will change as designs are tested for lifecycle costs. In any event the public is learning important concepts: (1) modularity means offsite reactor construction meaning quality control and scaling potential. (2) unexpected realization that we can do on 20 acres (including safety zone) what solar + battery backup does on 40,000 acres. And SMR’s are reliable 24/7/365 with “passive walkaway safety,” another new term we’re quickly learning. Locally in Livermore, CA people are unset with PG&E gas and electric company in Northern California for a host of reasons. The most resent squabble with PG&E is they have focused all their behind-the-scenes political mussel to cause Alameda County Board of Supervisors to start allowing a solar farm + Battery Vault consuming our local Ag Open Space that has been carefully protected over the past 50 years by mutual agreement voted on by everyone. In urban areas and their surrounding suburbs, open space is not considered the spot to place intensive 100% ground cover of service lanes and intensive equipment. The general idea is, that sort of intensive use belongs inside the city not using up our precious Ag open-space next to our cities. So we are now mad and looking at alternatives. Los Alamos’s SMR has started coming into focus as we understand the corruptive power-meme the solar industry + battery Back-up plants push (lobby in secret) on county supervisors. Once more the voters are betrayed. The solar industry and battery back-up vault people obviously plan to cover all our valley floor Ag Open Space and who’s going to stop them? When it’s realized how we can do on 20 acres what solar + battery does on 40,000 acres, the 20 acre solutions start getting our attention. SMR’s window of opportunity is here.
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Im actually looking into an entire episode on what the National labs are doing in this space. Specifically with private / public partnerships
@ianmastin
3 жыл бұрын
I love that you were actually given a cookie just as I hit the like button lol
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! We love any excuse for a cookie!
@peterdeady3625
2 жыл бұрын
Very good news
@davidbarck5063
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great podcast
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening!
@luke-zc7yi
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video, hope you can upgrade to a 4k camera and tune down the intro volume a bit.
@Etheoma
3 жыл бұрын
Actually it's not purely a Thorium reactor, it's actually better to use Uranium and nuclear waste. Honestly I am confused by the fixation on Thorium as it's not actually the important part, the important part is the molten salt fuelled part which increases safety by orders of magnitude, which considering modern reactors have a damn good safety record improving that by orders of magnitude means it's extremely safe. The current issue with conventional nuclear power is not safety really though it's CapEx, so cost of building the reactor which ThorCon supposedly solves. Basically the only reason ThorCon is using Thorium is a marketing move, when you can say, na this isn't a Uranium reactor it's a thorium reactor it's completely different it assuages peoples fears, which honestly as said given conventional nuclear power safety record it's an unfounded fear. Where as if you try and say, na see it's completely safe because it's a molten salt reactor, this is safer because of X, Y and Z you lose poeple.
@chapter4travels
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly correct! Thorium means nothing while MSR technology, in general, means everything.
@n1mbusmusic606
3 жыл бұрын
MY FAVORITE COMPANY!!!! GO LARS!
@markwright196
3 жыл бұрын
It is one choice though for US and developed countries MSR fastbreeder is a better choice .... 40yr life and spent fuel rods are added as needed without any reprocessing.
@andersbentsen3107
3 жыл бұрын
I think you can order a molten salt reactor at 1mwh heat output. It look like a fridge and price is 88000dollar - Company is Copenhagen Atomics.
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, you can! We’ve interviewed the founder Thomas Jam Pedersen actually! kzitem.info/news/bejne/xZyhqIJ-i5mqqo4
@ne1cup
3 жыл бұрын
i look forward to seeing that
@zandlerthewizard
3 жыл бұрын
No new technology? No R&D? That seems surprising, consider the following questions: - MSRE had no power generation side, and the heat removal system was extremely simple, what off the shelf solution is there for a heat exchanger from the molten salt (at the temperatures envisions to operate at)? - What is the variation in thermophyiscal properties as a function of fission product build up? In general, the thermophysical properties without fission products have high uncertainty. MSRE did not have a good idea on some and operated 20% under what it was design at, design for 10 MW, operated around 8 MW. - Drain tank system, what valves/system is envisioned? Freeze valve? There certainly is R&D required. The freeze valve system MSRE employed was not as successful as the high level ORNL papers suggest, if you dig into the operational reports there were many issues. - Radiological source term? Is the chemistry well enough understood to know what is volatilizing off the salt? Especially as a variation of temperature and fission product inventory? Nuclear technology is the future but I fear perpetuating that development of MSRs or other Gen-IV reactors are easy is not a productive endeavor and may hurt the industry. Nuclear has a history of over promising and underdelivering in recent years, a pattern which cannot continue.
@wearandtear6692
3 жыл бұрын
Thx for your report. I'm always interested in nuclear; coming from the heartland of "nuclear angst" I think this is the form of power generation with the most potential and least risk involved. Higher energy density is the way to go. Awesome to see a MSR aiming for low cost and simple tech. Folks deserve reliable and clean electricity.
@wernermuller3522
3 жыл бұрын
Ein kWh von meiner über 24 Jahre alten PV-Anlage verursacht Kostet von unter 0 Cent/kWh (-4 Cent) und es kommen immer noch leicht über 1000 kWh von jeden kWp im Jahr. Wir haben so ca. von Sonnenaufgang bis Sonnenuntergang, also an 3500 bis 4000 Stunden im Jahr habe ich PV-Strom. Das kann kein Kernfusionsreaktor kein Kernkraftwerk oder Kohlekraftwerk zu dem Preis an meine Steckdose liefern. *Solarstrom ist für den Bürger und auch Betrieb die günstigste Energiequelle, aber nicht die einzige.* .
@wearandtear6692
3 жыл бұрын
@@wernermuller3522 zum Glück ist es in der Nacht nicht finster, selten stark bewölkt und da Speicher so billig sind hängen sie auch schon länger nimmer am Netz...?
@wernermuller3522
3 жыл бұрын
@@wearandtear6692 schreibt: „@Werner Müller zum Glück ist es in der Nacht nicht finster, selten stark bewölkt und da Speicher so billig sind hängen sie auch schon länger nimmer am Netz...?“ Zum Glück liefert der Thorium-Reaktor weder in der Nacht noch am Tag was an Strom und das noch die nächsten 50 Jahre am meine Steckdose. Zum Glück brauche ich keinen Stromspeicher für die Nacht, so wie alle anderen ca. 82 Millionen Deutschen auch keinen Speicher für die Nacht brauchen. Zum Glück brauche ich in der Nacht nur sehr geringe Strommengen oder waschen Sie um 02:00Uhr die Wäsche, kochen das Essen oder schalten die Spülmaschine ein? Um 11:00Uhr bis 15:00Uhr wird das bei uns aber täglich gemacht und da liefert die PV-Anlage auch was an Strom. *Solarstrom ist für den Bürger und auch Betriebe die günstigste Energiequelle, aber nicht die einzige.* #### *Was ist das für eine Logik, das man sich nur wegen einer PV auf dem Dach vom Stromnetz trennen soll, das versehen aber auch nur Sie.* #### Heute 22.12.2020 um 10:06 Uhr und Regenwetter liefert die PV noch 105Watt/kWp das sind bei z.B. 10kWp auf dem Dach über 1kW die man im Haus verbrauchen kann ohne auf Netzstrom zurück zu greifen. Das beste daran ist die PV-Strom von der alten PV-Anlage Kosten von unter 0 Cent/kWh verursacht. Bis Strom vom Thorium-Reaktor an meiner Steckdose ankommt sind heute bereits ca. 10 Cent/kWh für die Benutzung der Stromnetz fällig und die Leute vom Thorium-Reaktor möchte ja auch noch Geld für jedes kWh Strom haben. Ist da zischen ca. Sonnenaufgang und ca. Sonnenuntergang Strom vom Thorium-Reaktor eine Option? .
@wearandtear6692
3 жыл бұрын
@@wernermuller3522 die Diskussionen mit der Flatterstromfraktion führen mich immer an den Punkt wo ich nach dem Netzanschluss frage. Vielleicht haben Sie ja eine riesige Batterie daheim um so Löcher zu überbrücken. Selbst wenn: Wie soll das für die Massen ohne Platz für PV und Batterie umsetzbar sein? Aber sogar Sie saugen den süßen Nektar grundlastfähiger Kraftwerke, baden im Luxus eines stabilen öffentlichen Stromnetzes. Welches übrigens auch wir hier in Österreich per Gaskraftwerk für die Flatterstromer in Deutschland ausbalancieren. Sonst würde es schnell ungemütlich, für alle mit oder ohne PV. Besser als Gas und Kohle (und sogar Wasserkraft) ist aber Kernkraft; Weiterentwicklungen selbiger sehe ich positiv.
@wernermuller3522
3 жыл бұрын
@@wearandtear6692 schreibt: „@Werner Müller die Diskussionen mit der Flatterstromfraktion führen mich immer an den Punkt wo ich nach dem Netzanschluss frage.“ Die Diskussionen mit den Leuten vom Thorium-Reaktor führen mich immer an den Punkt wo ich nach der Stromlieferung aus dem Netzanschluss frage, in 20 oder in 30 oder doch erst in 50 Jahren? Eine PV-Anlage ist in einem Tage errichtet und liefert die ersten kWh Strom und das für nur 300€ an Kapitaleinsatz. #### Wear and Tear schreibt: „ Vielleicht haben Sie ja eine riesige Batterie daheim um so Löcher zu überbrücken.“ Und was kommt am Strom in der Nacht und im Winter vom Thorium-Reaktor ? Sind genau Null kWh. Wer braucht maßen an Akkus? Und deshalb werden die „erneuerbaren“ weiter ausgebaut das die „Speicher“ und Reservekraftwerke weniger gebraucht werden. Wenn man 2010 mal über 25% Erneuerbaren Strom gekommen ist das eine Ausnahme gewesen. energy-charts.info/charts/renewable_share/chart.htm?l=de&c=DE&share=ren_share&partsum=0&interval=day&year=2010&day=y Nur 64 Tage im gesamten Jahr 2010 die 25% überschnitten. Wenn man 2019 mal unter 25% Erneuerbaren Strom gekommen ist das eine Ausnahme gewesen. energy-charts.info/charts/renewable_share/chart.htm?l=de&c=DE&share=ren_share&partsum=0&interval=day&year=2019&day=y Nur 11 Tage im gesamten Jahr 2019 wurden die 25% unterschritten. Zu diesen Ergebnis ist bereits auch der DWD gekommen der die Wetterdaten der vergangenen Jahren in „Strom“ umgerechnet hat bei einem Ausbau der Erneuerbaren. www.dwd.de/DE/klimaumwelt/aktuelle_meldungen/180306/ertragsausfaelle_ee_pk_2018.html Herr Wear and Tear, entscheidend ist die Installierte Leistung bei den Erneuerbaren nicht die Größe von Stromspeicher, Reservekraftwerke u.s.w.. #### Wear and Tear schreibt: „Welches übrigens auch wir hier in Österreich per Gaskraftwerk für die Flatterstromer in Deutschland ausbalancieren.“ Wir exportieren im Jahr 2019 nach Österreich ca. 15,7TWh Strom. Wir importieren im Jahr 2019 aus Österreich ca. 4,7TWh Strom. Wer ist jetzt von welchen Lieferungen mehr abhängig? Deutschland oder Österreich? #### Wear and Tear schreibt: „ aber Kernkraft; Weiterentwicklungen selbiger sehe ich positiv.“ Betrachten Sie nur mal die AKW-Baustellen in Europa, Beispiel Frankreich: Der Baubeginn war am 3. Dezember 2007, EDF prognostizierte ursprünglich eine Fertigstellung 2012 und Baukosten in Höhe von 3,3 Milliarden Euro für das AKW-Flamanville-3. Nach Stand Juli 2020 haben sich die Kosten weiter erhöht, sodass die Anlage rund 19,1 Milliarden Euro (11.718 € pro installiertes Kilowatt, bei 1630 MW netto) kosten soll. Quellenangabe: de.nucleopedia.org/wiki/Kernkraftwerk_Flamanville 11.718 €/kW verursachen bei 3% Zinsen bereits Zinskosten von 352€ im Jahr. 1 kW AKW-Leistung erzeugt im Jahr sagen wir mal 8000 kWh Strom im Jahr. 352€ / 8000 kWh = 0,044 €/kWh nur für die Zinsen. Nur dumm das man an den Strombörse im Durchschnittlich aber nur um die 0,03€/kWh an Einnahmen erzielen kann. energy-charts.info/charts/price_average/chart.htm?l=de&c=DE&interval=year&year=-1 Das AKW mach nur bei den Zinsen bereits ein Minus von über -1 Cent/kWh und Personalkosten, Rückzahlung vom Kredit, Wartungskosten u.s.w. sind ja auch noch vorhanden und kommen noch dazu. .
@sharky2606
3 жыл бұрын
Did they mention anything regarding safety measures to deal with the event of a Tsunami?
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
So THORCON has quite a few safety features to address this. The main take away is that the fuel is in a liquid state and is not operating at high pressures. Molten Salt actually has a high melting point so if the reactor cracks and is exposed to outside air the salts solidify and seal the crack. But during an emergency shut down the fuel would just drain into a drain tank and stop fission. If that wasn't enough they have actually simulated haul stresses from impact of various objects. The outer wall is going to be built to withstand an impact from a 747 at max speed.
@priitmolder6475
3 жыл бұрын
What thorium molten salt fuel needs is a neutron intensive source. That comes in the form of highly irradiated nuclear waste. Not sure if by coincidence that the problem we face with un-used nuclear waste would be the driving force of thorium energy. Or perhaps it was the discovery when both water breeder reactor and molten salt reactor were tested in the 1960s. Would make sense because if you NEED a neutron source to ignite thorium... might as well generate electricity while stockpiling it. The math is: current uranium fuel only uses 1-2% of its mass to produce electricity. Rest will be processed to extract plutonium and other isotopes. In a molten salt reactor tho, that 98% nuclear waste can be "used up" to fission throrium, allowing the extraction of ALL of the useful energy hidden in that waste right now. Im not trying to defend the DECADES of stockpiling nuclear weapons, horrific meltdowns and other accidents. Im just trying to see if the choice in the 1960s to go with water reactor was to generate the "waste" in order to use it in the future...
@AkaRyrye83
2 жыл бұрын
You mentioned that indonesia's population density is just behind the United states, but this is incorrect. Indonesia has a density of roughly 142 people per square Km, while the United States only has 33 people/km2.
@gayanti
3 жыл бұрын
What's the name of the parent company? So one can invest in this technology?
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
The parent company is Martingale! As of right now it's currently privately held. www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Martingale-reveals-its-ThorCon-liquid-fuel-reactor
@allenbarrow4904
3 жыл бұрын
Does Martingale use any public funding? If so, that research has to be funded. It can only be private if it's finding is private. Sounds like if they anything useful, they will buried. That why China, Russia, lran will be the innovators in the long-run in the 21st century.
@Michael-it6gb
3 жыл бұрын
The thing with off-the-shelf material is that.. ...now you're dependant on another manufacturer. As soon as they go out of business, then that product might be no longer available. Which leaves the design on thin ice as soon as a part needs replacement. Often you have to build stuff inhouse.
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Sure but in most cases when a company like that goes out of business or declares bankruptcy those assets are bought up along with those patents for the components. If Thorcon gets to mass production and 10 years later one of those suppliers goes out of business whos to say they don't just go in and buy the company. If they have a vested interest in that supply chain they will do what's necessary to keep it going.
@G11713
3 жыл бұрын
Wind and waves of a 500 year storm is an important factor to safety and irradiation risk to the oceans. Also, third world countries are typically tropical places where their lower standard of living has nothing to do with energy shortage but rather political problems, typically external demands on their natural resources.
@maxsweetman6341
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks sean
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@CreeperDude-cm1wv
3 жыл бұрын
Weird that I get this video about a portable mini powerplant after several power outages in a row
@peterdorn5799
3 жыл бұрын
hoping they get ast regulatory road blocks and start commercial production here in the states, to power my EV
@augustlandmesser1520
3 жыл бұрын
So, where is it?
@stanbrow
3 жыл бұрын
How many MWe per unit?
@johndoudna7055
3 жыл бұрын
A subject worthy of good publicity to overcome outdated, unexamined mindsets about bettering nuclear technology.
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully, we're bringing much-needed light on this subject to a wider audience. Thank you!
@Ghandara-hg1gc
3 жыл бұрын
Why didn't you mention that China is finishing its first 2MW Thorium MSR this month and activating it next month? Plans to make a 100MW version by 2030.
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
We have a video coming up in a couple of weeks on that very subject!
@damienguy501
3 жыл бұрын
Solid analysis. However as with any technologies there are downsides, and I think you glossed over them. For example, radioactive tritium gas needs to be managed in the Flibe reactor. Corrosion and lifespan of seals is a concern at such temperature extremes. I'm all in on liquid nuclear, but we need to take the good with the bad
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Sure and the Thorcon approach may not be the best approach by a long shot. However it will be the first to market and when this thing starts dealing with real-world challenges improvements will be made. The important thing is these reactors get built soon and quickly.
@damienguy501
3 жыл бұрын
@@RockLogicWithSeanKenny Do you intend to highlight any drawbacks in future videos? I'm curious what technological challenges lie ahead.
@robertweinstein6441
3 жыл бұрын
What about tsunami and cyclone concerns?
@youdontknowme3935
3 жыл бұрын
Thorium is still way less radioactive than uranium so even in catastrophic core failure the consequences would be minimal.
@robertweinstein6441
3 жыл бұрын
@@youdontknowme3935 I get all that. 42 years in the business. But barges in that part of the world in some of these typhoons and earthquakes seems fraught with peril. I would be less worried about a land based operation that is all. My concern wasn’t per say a nuclear safety concern, but rather a concern for any large sea borne piece of engineering.
@youdontknowme3935
3 жыл бұрын
@@robertweinstein6441 Tbh I don't take this company seriously their website looks like it was made by a student. I just check every 6 months if we had any thorium reactors tests since its a topic that interests me. As for it being in the sea I agree with you it makes no sense I'm sure there are better options.
@stevehansen6552
3 жыл бұрын
So the waterfront will be covered in industrial barges?
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Some can be placed further offshore if desired. It presents different challenges but its not impossible.
@equinox7656
3 жыл бұрын
if your going to read, put the text at screen camera level so your not looking down.
@TubeLizzyMcBee
3 жыл бұрын
Great subject matter, love it! But dang, you need work on the sound. The intro music and you sign off way to loud, and in the middle your voice would go up in volume and then almost disappear. I was on the volume buttons the whole time. But love the subject and your views.
@atholmullen
3 жыл бұрын
You need to work on getting your audio levels consistent. Viewers shouldn't have to adjust the volume about 8 times during a video that is less than 8 minutes long. Your pre-recorded intro and end clips are louder than the rest, and your speaking voice volume changes noticeably through the video. The content is informative, though. :-)
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Noted!
@spongebobb4589
3 жыл бұрын
Thorcon Thorium reactor is almost ready. Just 30 years away only. Only a few more 30 years.
@larrysteimle2004
3 жыл бұрын
Element 90...Thorium. I'm 85. Is it out of the question that I might see a working Thorium reactor in 5 years? That would be a nice 90th birthday for me. Call me a narcissist. That's my wish.
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
I hope you get to see it soon Larry.
@mikez2779
2 жыл бұрын
they were supposed to build pre fission demo plant last year anyone knows if they actually did?
@anyanyanyanyanyany3551
2 жыл бұрын
I have not heard anything new. Last I remembered, Bob S. Effendi and his team were surveying the location of the planned prototype in Sumatra. Follow Bob on YT if you wanna stay up to date with ThorCon in Indonesia.
@anyanyanyanyanyany3551
2 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/2aiomGl-pnycYKQ Look for the comments in the video.
@ethanoldenburg6645
3 жыл бұрын
I just realized that the mobile plants could also run off of their own energy
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
After the initial startup of the reactor yes it could.
@Pange3
3 жыл бұрын
What happens to the waste and what is the lifespan of the waste?
@chapter4travels
3 жыл бұрын
Stored for future energy production in a reactor like Elysium Industries, he has a video about them as well.
@beastofalbeasts1
3 жыл бұрын
Sean eats thorium for breakfast! You should too
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Everyone can use a good dose of Thorium!
@mikecimerian6913
3 жыл бұрын
How small could a one megawatt power plant be if effort was made to achieve the smallest possible?
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
@@mikecimerian6913 It depends on the design. But you can easily fit one in a shipping container.
@mikecimerian6913
3 жыл бұрын
@@RockLogicWithSeanKenny Thank you. I am exploring space orbitals designs and small footprint reactors.
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
@@mikecimerian6913 Very Cool! And you are very welcome.
@alexanderx33
3 жыл бұрын
What about storms?
@wdwerker
3 жыл бұрын
I boggles the mind that this technology has sat on the shelf for 60 years. Designed in safety is key to harnessing the power of fission. What happens to a Thorcon barge power plant in the event of a earthquake/ tidal wave ?
@brianwild4640
3 жыл бұрын
It’s not a true thorium reactor it’s a uranium reactor with a bit of thorium reactor. As lars has said before the reactor would work fine or even better without thorium. But it’s there for the public perception.
@red-baitingswine8816
3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see Thorcon and Elysium (Ed Pheil) collaborate. Fast spectrum MSRs burn nuclear waste etc., are scalable, no graphite, and I think can run without stopping 30 or more years. But with US not going MSR, I don't know the geopolitics of nuclear waste as fuel.
@bernzeppi
3 жыл бұрын
Like that screen behind you, the facade hides a disaster.
@puzzleofuniverse1380
3 жыл бұрын
Sunami can be threat in case of close to coast
@darthvader5300
3 жыл бұрын
THORCON? Good luck to them. We Russians prefer reactors to last INDEFINITELY since we got mountain rangers of zirconium ore and beryllium ore deposits to make fused zirconia-zirconium metallic glass alloy which is similar to your vitreloy which is a zirconium-based bulk metallic glass alloy. Bulk metallic glass alloys made from beryllium and titanium were also secretly developed and made available already in the 1950s and 1960s when lasers and liquid argon or liquid helium were used to glassify metals inside an argon or helium atmosphere. Now we developed other ways to manufacture glassified metals now known also as bulk metallic glass (BMG) alloys but especially those made out of beryllium and zirconium metals. These two metals, transformed into bulk metallic glass and known also as amorphous metals are UNAFFECTED BY NEUTRON BOMBARDMENT INDUCED NEUTRON EMBRITTLEMENT AND UNAFFECTED BY RADIATIONS and are inert and non-reactive with any substances and therefore is corrosion resistant and immune to chemical attacks of any kind whatsoever. Besides thorium, we prefer plutonium 239 because it is 50 times more energetic than uranium 235 and with the help of beryllium flouride as the nuclear fuel carrier, we can create the hyper-density neutron flux that is responsible for creating the same effects found in the original BREST fission reactors. For both Molten Beryllium Flourde Salt Reactor and BREST Reactor can simultaneously create new nuclear fuel as the first initial start up nuclear fuel is consumed and consumes also their own nuclear wastes. The Molten Beryllium Flourde Salt Reactor does the same thing but "IN SITU". Being constructed entirely of components directly exposed to neutron bombardment induced neutron embrittlement and to radiation and is immune to corrosion. the Molten Beryllium Flourde Salt Reactor can last indefinitely. It does need to be refuelled and can be modified as a breeder reactor to convert useless and non-fissionable uranium 238 into useful and valuable and fissionable plutonium 239.
@travismoore7849
2 жыл бұрын
I am for beryllium chloride, stainless steel, bonon carbide msr technology with Super critical carbon dioxide cycle power turbine.
@joshhardy5646
3 жыл бұрын
It’s insane America is letting other countries be first to MSR energy production. We should be first to this game so we can set the global stage. This is yet one more symptom of crony capitalism and an ignorant government and people.
@terawatio7939
3 жыл бұрын
what would be the disadvantages?
@hillbilly4christ638
3 жыл бұрын
Thorium rules!
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@joeholden6129
3 жыл бұрын
Please present waste analysis MSR vs. LWR; i.e. volume, toxicity, disposal, recycle, etc. Our congressionally mandated long term waste repository is Yucca Mtn. in NV and it's dead in the water for almost 20 years. Waste mgmt. will determine the future of this or any other technology.
@PaulHigginbothamSr
3 жыл бұрын
Yes Mr rock logic this is the future. Maybe in 1,000 years nuclear fusion will be as economical as this but I seriously doubt it. You must with fusion have right on top of the reactor where only heat is used for power you have right up shoulder to shoulder with all this heat superconducting magnets cooled to near absolute zero. Do you see the conundrum here? It is unfathomable to me how you can keep the refrigeration costs from taking 99 percent of produced energy. It is inconceivable to me this would in any possible way produce energy that thorium breeders with supercritical co2 for power production with extremely small turbines not costing an enormous amount like with the low temperature pressurized water reactors which do not even produce excess heat with enough energy to make chemical reaction the molten salt reactors can make not even having to produce electrical power. This will make a small Muslim country like Indonesia more mainstream than America after they finally switch over fully to this process plus breeding new fuel for new plants.
@codaalive5076
3 жыл бұрын
This are very good news, things with MSR are finally moving on in several countries. Hope they will really use thorium from the start, not some time later on... Breeder would be even better but regulators just won't allow circulating fuel through tubes for chemical separation and similar processes. Drain tanks with cooling of this burner are more complex than breeder's, this probably means physics of reactor are a bit more dangerous because i can't see how they would get independent, passive supply of cold water in emergency. Replacing one reactor every eight years makes a bit of waste, although only 2m3 per year of full waste stream points to high efficiency which is expected with thorium and high temperatures. TWR from Bill Gates&co is also very interesting to reduce huge stocks of depleted uranium, it is also very safe but not like MSR. They were working on MSR until Trump caused problems with manufacturing in China. So, if Thorcom really does it with thorium then we are very close to very cheap clean energy and might just avoid long term greenhouse effect. I hope by now lobbies understood we are drinking the same water and breathing the same air. Good
@nitelite78
3 жыл бұрын
Was just doing a search on this after having just read that China have a prototype thorium reactor going live for testing this month. Was a bit surprised at that because I was interested in thorium MSRs a few years ago but kind of assumed it was a pipe dream. If China pushes ahead with this I would think it could become pretty problematic for Western countries who will be years if not decades behind.
@abrahkadabra9501
3 жыл бұрын
Cookie Reactor
@jefferee2002
3 жыл бұрын
Better late than never!
@pappaflammyboi5799
3 жыл бұрын
You should eat more U235 than cookies. It's much healthier.
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
I'll cut the cookies but eating U235 is not recommended by my physician. LOL!
@rwsteiner100
3 жыл бұрын
Sean, your intro volume is much louder than your dialog volume.
@notsonominal
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting; varying audio levels was a bit annoying though. While cleaner and cheaper power for developing countries is a good thing, they can't raise the standards of living on that alone, and every other aspect will have climate implications.
@dougb70
3 жыл бұрын
I'd flatten your background and use a 2x4 or something to hold it up.
@RockLogicWithSeanKenny
3 жыл бұрын
We've upgraded to a dedicated set. :D
@wlhgmk
3 жыл бұрын
Arguably, the best part of this development is that when a country achieves a high level of development, her population stabilizes and then even falls. We could gradually reduce the human population to a level that the planet could support. Will we be in time??
@chapter4travels
3 жыл бұрын
"Will we be in time??" Easily!
@jamespercy8506
3 жыл бұрын
how do these barges handle dangerous weather?
@carpenter3069
3 жыл бұрын
I thought they were using Uranium?
@tommorris3688
3 жыл бұрын
! Mark Jacobson: New nuclear power costs about 5 times more than onshore wind power per kWh. Nuclear takes 5 to 17 years longer between planning and operation and produces on average 23 times the emissions per unit electricity generated. In addition, it creates risk and cost associated with weapons proliferation, meltdown, mining lung cancer, and waste risks. Clean, renewables avoid all such risks.
@thefleecer3673
3 жыл бұрын
If you research next generation reactors you will learn they are orders of magnitude safer, greener and more efficient than both current LWRs and "renewables". kzitem.info/news/bejne/t2iBtKWiroJpgGU
@tommorris3688
3 жыл бұрын
@@thefleecer3673 What you write is rubbish because the proposed reactors have not yet been run and tested. Lots of unforeseen problems will arise. It is easy for you to assert something is "safer" when the design is only on paper or in CAD drawings. What you mean to say is that your reactors are expected (!) to be safer, but has not been verified in practice.
@thefleecer3673
3 жыл бұрын
@@tommorris3688 actually they successfully ran a molten salt reactor at Oak Ridge National Lab in the 1960s
@tommorris3688
3 жыл бұрын
@@thefleecer3673 Oak Ridge reactor was an experimental reactor. After 3 years of operation, there was severe corrosion. The time period of 3 years was insufficient to identify issues of neutron embrittlement of materials used. The radioactive mess from the molten salt reactor experiment is still being cleared up today, 50 years after the experimental work. That is the reality.
@thefleecer3673
3 жыл бұрын
@@tommorris3688 so you're saying that because they didn't keep developing it in the 60s it's too late now?
@scottm2553
3 жыл бұрын
Floating nuclear reactors make me a bit nervous.
@RM-we7px
3 жыл бұрын
Especially since the land ones are designed with a drain tank and a freeze plug. Also so you are not only getting corrosion on the systems. But external corrosion from sea water.
@scottm2553
3 жыл бұрын
@@RM-we7px Exactly.
@RasmusSchultz
3 жыл бұрын
Are you familiar with Copenhagen Atomics? They are attempting to build small molten salt reactors, on assembly lines, using Thorium. I would love to hear your opinion. I want to invest in something that could save us from environmental disaster - but also don't want blow my retirement savings on something that doesn't pan out in my lifetime. 🤔
@muten861
3 жыл бұрын
Clear case of media bias: if the critics of scientific community would get as much attention in the media as the Thorcon-inventors, this would have looked quite different.
@CHMichael
3 жыл бұрын
Park in international waters, run cable to shore.
@TheExumRidge
3 жыл бұрын
check India, thorium isn't figured out yet. but is still a great idea.
@codaalive5076
3 жыл бұрын
Thorium plant can be built, Trump just stopped TerraPower from making it in China. It was designed as modular too, i think it even worked as a breeder.
@ianstirling6015
3 жыл бұрын
Molten salt highly radioactive floating in a boat what can go wrong? The whole point was that the salt turns to a solid in light of a accident .A sinking boat would big problem.
@bobsteroni777
3 жыл бұрын
You spotted the critical flaw! I seriously doubt these guys have thought through it like you have.
@richardyoung5217
3 жыл бұрын
Why does Indonesia use coal? They are one of the world's greatest producers of oil and natural gas. Also what do you do when a typhoon comes?
@ne1cup
3 жыл бұрын
they should make a really compact one and sell it SpaceX
@create-this
3 жыл бұрын
I give you cookie
@Charlie-ii5rr
3 жыл бұрын
You need to fix your production quality. There are too many sudden changes in volume.
@Anon-xd3cf
2 жыл бұрын
Why did I have to "teach" my autocorrect to recognise the word *Thorium* but it recognises and completes the word Rubidium effortlessly? Odd.
@Anon-xd3cf
2 жыл бұрын
I mean it knows as standard to change youtube to KZitem and it can change google to Google without issue... So why does it struggle with words like Thorium?
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