Man, it would've been interesting if Thorin survived the battle of Dale. He would've discovered the truth about Bilbo carrying the One Ring. Plus, he would join the council of Elrond. I can imagine the conversation he would have with Gimli.
@Alejandra-zf3uz
Жыл бұрын
Hubiera sido memorable 📜
@MarcRitzMD
Жыл бұрын
He wouldn't have let Balin go to Moria with a small troop, it would have become a massive colony that would have driven the orcs and Balrog out.
@valentinkambushev4968
Жыл бұрын
@@MarcRitzMD when the Balrog was awakened, the Dwarves were in a golden age, and their numbers were far greater than they are now, yet they still weren't able to fight off the Balrog.
@dyingbird364
Жыл бұрын
@@MarcRitzMD They couldn't have driven the Balrog out
@InterestingFacts427
Жыл бұрын
@@valentinkambushev4968yeah. It was when durin the first and that time. They were getting to greedy on mithril and thats when the balrog came to life
@asianbandit4054
Жыл бұрын
As a fellow traveler I found it so sweet that he kept the hood from his first adventure. I still have my first compass .
@valentinkambushev4968
Жыл бұрын
I like to believe that the dwarves who helped Bilbo set up his 111th birthday were from Thorin's company.
@itsatrap1017
Жыл бұрын
But which ones?
@dolandarkxgrandayy6953
Жыл бұрын
@@itsatrap1017The ones that didn't go to Moria and Bombur because he would be too fat.
@MrMrdreary
Жыл бұрын
Or their sons/daughters
@isaiahhallett9871
Жыл бұрын
No they were too rich
@brohanfromrohan5771
Жыл бұрын
@@itsatrap1017 , Blippo, Bloppo, and Bleepo.
@Aaron41216
Жыл бұрын
a theory video on “what if Thorin had lived into the war of the ring” would be 🔥🔥🔥
@niamhtimmons7765
Жыл бұрын
He would move in with Bilbo
@dylanmonstrum1538
Жыл бұрын
YES
@Aaron41216
Жыл бұрын
@@niamhtimmons7765 King Bilbo Oakenshield son of Thorin to be his successor no doubt
@istari0
Жыл бұрын
@@niamhtimmons7765 He would have been the King of Erebor so he wouldn't move to the Shire.
@Hellbane224
Жыл бұрын
If Thorin had lived, Sauron's "messenger" might never have made it back to his master. XD
@TolkienAnswers
Жыл бұрын
I wish the Hobbit trilogy ended with Balin visiting Bilbo and given a monolog of what happened to Dale, Erebor, and the elves. It could have also ended with Balin expressing to Bilbo his desire to reclaim Moria in the near future.
@NerdoftheRings
Жыл бұрын
SAME
@NerdoftheRings
Жыл бұрын
I had a whole scenario of how I wanted to see The Hobbit end I’ve kept in my head for like 10 years now. Lol
@DaTux91
Жыл бұрын
@@NerdoftheRings Video idea? ❤
@mbm747
Жыл бұрын
@@NerdoftheRingsyes make a video about it.
@WasabiSniffer
Жыл бұрын
I would've loved to see the second battle of Dale. it's so easy to forget the war of the ring extended beyond the realms of men
@TheEquus92
Жыл бұрын
I wish there was more about Bilbo's second and final visit to Erebor
@lordfury18
11 ай бұрын
Thorins last words always give me pause every time i hear them, they are words of one who has seen everything the world has to offer and also one who has been struck with greed no matter how you look at it, the world would be a much happier place if we saw more value in food and cheer.... the hobbits live just a gentle life they can live so many life times and never once wonder about the horrors of war or the greed of man one of the biggest reasons i love Tolkien and his works is that i can go on so many adventures, i personally think he had more adventures he wanted to take us on, i wish we got to see more of his world
@istari0
Жыл бұрын
Balin should have listened to King Dain, who actually glimpsed Durin's Bane. The expedition to Moria was a terrible mistake.
@sleevyy
8 ай бұрын
Explain?
@anotherhappylanding4746
6 ай бұрын
@sleevyy during the battle of azanubilzar thrain II wanted to enter moria after besting the orcs outside, but dain stopped him because he saw the balrog in the dark when he neared the entrance
@nerdwatch1017
Жыл бұрын
I’ve always pictured Minus Tirith being a place after Sauron’s defeat. As a place that could become a multi race city. To have men dwarf elves hobbits and others living there. Rebuilt then expanded. Having other cities built onto the mountain face like the first to both sides. As well as having large caverns built inside the mountain for protection if needed. This place could become the hub of all middle earth. Becoming a mega city mountain. Where the riches of the mountain shared among those that actually live there and not passing through. Man if it was like this Sauron’s orgs wouldn’t never have breached the gates. Having Men Elf & Dwarfs working together as one force.
@tonyuppal8956
4 ай бұрын
Was a city of Men, that's how it was intended, Elves might not want to be to close to Mordor but get where you're coming from still.
@tonyuppal8956
4 ай бұрын
It's a pleasant thought but the Dwarves would want to be underground and the Elves a rustic folk, not enclosed by walls.
@luudest
Жыл бұрын
11:17 Intresting, I did not know Bilbo would again travel to Erebor.
@queenbrightwingthe3890
7 ай бұрын
If you have seen the fellowship of the ring you would know Bilbo wanted to visit the elf city and Erebor/Lake Town again one last time before he grow too old.
@myriadmediamusings
Жыл бұрын
Harkens back to the early vids of the channel with the vids of some of the dwarves of the company. Whatever is said of the Hobbit trilogy i will give it credit for fleshing out this group a whole lot more.
@valentinkambushev4968
Жыл бұрын
Agree. The "we don't belong anywhere" scene still makes me cry to this day. Especially when you know how often the dwarves have been kicked out of their homelands.
@claytonhosty9876
Жыл бұрын
Their feet ruffled among the dead leaves of countless other autumns that drifted over the banks of the path from the deep red carpets of the forest. Still Bombur slept and they grew very weary. At times they heard disquieting laughter. Sometimes there was singing in the distance too. The laughter was the laughter of fair voices not of goblins, and the singing was beautiful, but it sounded eerie and strange, and they were not comforted, rather they hurried on from those parts with what strength they had left. - The Hobbit - Chapter 8- Of Flies & Spiders.
@thebrowneyesofmandalore
Жыл бұрын
If there’s anything I love from the Hobbit films it’s Thorin’s death scene. It’s so sad and gives be goosebumps and teary eyes every time.
@PixarPins
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video that perfectly demonstrates why this is one of the best channels on KZitem
@terribaker5784
15 күн бұрын
What’s sad is, there hasn’t been new stories or movies that can reach the caliber of Tolkiens work or CS Lewis. We are sadly missing that gift in our time.
Do you voice act your own videos? I love how you inject these "audiobook" segments into the passages you read from the lore
@AJ-qm7sg
Жыл бұрын
Not Bomfur because of his mobility😂. I love your contents bro.
@Reez2Knight
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing this, I know there's previous video of 'What If' Thorin is still alive after the Battle of Five Armies and the impact or how it would affect the future towards the event of LoTR. I hope if you could make another 'What If' Kili and Fili survived the BoFA and how would they rules Erebor and the impact after the war and towards the event of LoTR. Or what if one of the brothers remained alive after the BoFA and what would be the differences between one another. I am quite new to your channel so in case if you already had made those vids hope you can share the link(s), but if not hope that you can consider this, thanks once again.
@shehansenanayaka3046
Жыл бұрын
Video is brilliant. I love middle earth docs. We always appreciate your hard work to make these videos.
@wesleystulp9265
Жыл бұрын
Can we get a video on Prince Aldarion and Erendis soon? Please?
@monacoandsiammonacoandsiam2674
Жыл бұрын
Dwalin was always my favorite dwarf because he had a 'BlueBeard' bluebeard. Bombur was next then Balin Oin Gloin Dori Nori Ori Thorin Bofur Bifur Fili and Kili. Also I like Bungo andFolco Boffin (who went home after lunch). Samcho Proudfoot seems nice too. All the Bree hobbits (with their 'botanical' names) are just stunning (Rhudhaur Hobbits). The North Kingdom was in 'ruin' for most of The Hobbit and Lord of The Ring time frame but the dwarves still made use of it. The Hobbit mentions a few detours at North Kingdom inns. So alot was occurring. Where did Grip Fang and Wolf (and Fatty Lumpkin too) come from? Throughtout The Hobbit the dwarves largely ignore Bilbo while in the North Kingdom. But Bilbo says they still saw other dwarves ('ambling by on ponies'). But Thorin in a fit of rage calls Bilbo 'a decendant of rats' which is beyond profound.
@theyakate7098
11 ай бұрын
I learn more on this after watching both the trilogies.
@midimusicforever
Жыл бұрын
But what happened to Tauriel? Answer: She never existed!
@treyowen9213
7 ай бұрын
8:46 he’s become Super Kami Guru
@zackbaskett2380
Жыл бұрын
Love your videos man. There are quite a few people who cover LOTR lore but I enjoy yours the most. Thank you for what you do. I love learning more about this stuff 🙏
@Op1zilla
Жыл бұрын
Was kinda Cool, Thanks 👽👍🏻✨
@callapygian
Жыл бұрын
Fascinating that Sauron knew Bilbo had the ring a few years after the Smaugs defeat. Does that imply Gollum was interrogated in Mordor earlier than indicated in "the Two Towers"? Were Lake Town and Erebor untouched by violence while Sauron and Saruman Attacked Gondor/Rohan?
@IamPapaShaw
10 ай бұрын
Did Gimli really schlep that book around with him to battles and great journeys? I’m sure he cursed it on the run in pursuit of the Orcs.
@emilyelizabethbuchanan998
9 ай бұрын
The book probably wasn't as big as the movies made it. It was probably a diary-sized fat little volume. Also, in the Hobbit, it was mentioned that dwarves, even when heavily laden, can trundle along at a quick pace because of their prodigious strength for their size. (Like ants). Hence Dain's supplied/provisioned/armed soldiers reaching Erebor so quickly.
@Soloong_Gaybowzer
Жыл бұрын
Can you imagine how Balin reacted when he sees Bilbo and noticed he's wearing the same cloak he'd given him in Bag End all those years ago? I'm can imagine a bone crushing hug would be involved.
@emilyelizabethbuchanan998
9 ай бұрын
*Dwalin. By that point Balin would be dead, and it was Dwalin that gave him the coat anyway.
@liamdenise246
10 ай бұрын
It is rather impressive how long Dwarves live. Not endless like the elves, but they live far longer then men or hobbits do. Even of the numenoreans only those of the royal line lived up to 500 years, the average lived to 210, meanwhile the dwarves all can live very long, and no distinction seems to exist between the royal and non royal lifespans, because Dwalin lived to 340 years which is closer to Durin the first's lifespan then other dwarves.
@PJOZeus
27 күн бұрын
The dwarves were always going to send an Emissary to Rivendell after Saurons visit to the lonely mountain Wasnt even because of Moria that Dain sent a member of the Company off to Rivendell as they had expressly asked about Bilbo already
@unkownhistory7660
Жыл бұрын
AS AN INDIaN I LOVE THE LOTR
@jaysgamingcorner8539
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video, even Bomber indulging a little too much. Ok, more than a little. 😄😄😄
@arthurchadwell9267
Жыл бұрын
I wish Tolkien had done a sequel telling us about the war in the North. King Dain, the Lonely Mountain, Kirkwood, etc.
@antifajesus
Жыл бұрын
That was absolutely lovely everybody should be able to appreciate your creativity
@Villainiz3d
10 ай бұрын
Huge missed opportunity on not calling this channel Lore of the Rings.
@popularopinion1
Жыл бұрын
Wait... There's a MAP of Moria?!
@mrBluesky1986
6 ай бұрын
You should make a video asking what if thorin survied the battle of five armies.
@kingscrub3386
Жыл бұрын
It makes for an excellent storyline, but I hate that Thorin, Fili & Kili all die. That would've probably made a huge difference in the events in LOTR. Had they survived I bet Balin's quest and outcome would've been better, I also bet that Thorin, would've been the last to die given his bloodline being so rich.
@coreymcewen8737
Жыл бұрын
Balins quest to take back Moria could make a good film. If handled by someone who respects the lore
@CarnivoreAF
8 ай бұрын
Amazing video thank you!
@RadicalCaveman
7 ай бұрын
Bombur did participate in the Battle of Dale. He was used as a cannonball.
@notoriousdip5495
Жыл бұрын
Love your content mate, love from England
@luudest
Жыл бұрын
8:15 @Nerd of the Rings: Is it known who this Messenger from Mordor was? A Nazgul, the Mouth Of Sauron?
@NerdoftheRings
Жыл бұрын
Great question! Those are the 2 most popular options. I think most people assume Nazgul, as Sauron only trusted them with the errand of reclaiming the ring.
@luudest
Жыл бұрын
@@NerdoftheRingsthanks. I don‘t know why, but it‘s on of my favorite scenes in the books (maybe because it‘s a strange tale from a remote place)
@Alphadog1able
Жыл бұрын
Ive been waiting for this video!
@hardstylelife5749
Жыл бұрын
Greatly enjoyed, very nicely done, bravo!
@bill-gray
Жыл бұрын
Amazing video. I can't wait for the next one.😊
@HamTransitHistory
9 ай бұрын
9:17 more like King Dain "Evacuate the city. Engage all defenses (points to Bombur) and get this dwarf a barrel"
@NerdoftheRings
9 ай бұрын
I understood that reference!
@MST3Killa
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure Ori was ever actually identified amongst the dead in Moria, but was presumed dead given that none were known to have escaped or otherwise survived.
@emilyelizabethbuchanan998
9 ай бұрын
All the dwarf bones were found lying about. No dwarf left Moria. He would have died one way or the other.
@MST3Killa
9 ай бұрын
@@emilyelizabethbuchanan998 ....okay?
@nickwilliams3050
Жыл бұрын
these are so good. thank you
@hannakowalska6253
Жыл бұрын
Can you tell what music did you add between 0:00 to 0:59 i love this moment music in The background and i was wondering where i could find so i could listened in audio
@arranmilby2172
8 ай бұрын
Out of everything IV even shown in terms of lore there is only 1 thing that annoys me .. if erebor was attacked during lotr after the fellowship of the ring is created, why did he not join in the fight? The iconic "We are proud to fight alongside men once more"bwould have been even more perfect that what it already is but then again one 1 dwarf plays an actual role in lotr
@robhoppe9189
Жыл бұрын
@Nerd of the Rings could you please do a video breaking down the dynamics of Frodo and Sam's relationship based on the book? In the books, it seemed like they began as neighbors, and then later Sam referred to Frodo as his "Master". As far as I can tell some where that is not mentioned in the book, Sam has been tasked to look after Frodo and serve as an extra pair of eyes to back Frodo up and watch his back and assist him in the task that has been assigned to him.
@chrysm6842
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, as always. Thanks.
@SnakeAndTurtleQigong
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much
@ViperFox_
Жыл бұрын
@nerdoftherings since it’s a slow time rn with LoTR content can you PLEASE make a set of videos or videos showing the exact happenings during the LoTR movies. Like overview map showing their path and like everything happening in the background. I think those would be amazing videos. Like show what the dwarves were up to and the summoning of Sauron’s armies and the fellowships path. It would be so cool to see everything but picture happening. There is so much stuff normal watchers missed in the movies I think it would be amazing
@dannymiller9697
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for pronouncing Oin, and Gloin properly.
@sylvesterpalmer9097
Жыл бұрын
Thank you too. I love this video.
@tjenahoj
7 ай бұрын
Great stuff! Westernkind is amazing with heritage, culture and creativity!
@Person-wz6iy
Жыл бұрын
Remember guys, in 2033 The Hobbit book enters the Public Domain. So when that date arrives, feel free to make a horror adaptations of the story! And I mean only the Hobbit book the Rankin Bass special, the 1967 short and the Jackson Trilogy will still be locked down, along with LOTR and all it's adaptations.
@alivissianos
Жыл бұрын
Amazing content!
@Svensk7119
Жыл бұрын
Dain. Day-in. I never liked the Peter Jackson interpretation of the name, Dane. If Profé Tolkien had not wanted it as two syllables, then he wouldn't have put a stress mark in it. Dáin Ironfoot.
@WellEarnedComforts
Жыл бұрын
Great video, my friend 🤝
@gentelmanjunkie542
11 ай бұрын
awesome
@stephanc6138
Жыл бұрын
as the dwarves down to 7, i was like...what, no snow white? then i rmbr. wrong company.
@stefos6431
Жыл бұрын
Great job like before......Keep going :)
@AndrewCarlisle11B
Жыл бұрын
Hello Mellons!
@daddy8884
Жыл бұрын
Dont call me a Melon! 🍉
@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger
Жыл бұрын
Don't call me at all!
@kyleleblanc3488
11 ай бұрын
So where was the Balrog when Balin took back Moria?
@Jebbtube
Жыл бұрын
What happens to Hobbits when they die? We know what happens to Elves and Men when they die (and to dwarves, to some degree), but not Hobbits.
@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger
Жыл бұрын
Hobbits are a branched lineage from early Men; they have pointy ears but aren't elves, so we go with the closest living relative which is men. Alternatively: They go on to feed the soils of the land they touch. They may carry some magic within them which is yet unknown that allows crops to grow well, soil to remain fertile year after year despite constant use. Going to need some fresh hobbits to vivisect if you want more answers.
@garrettcantrell1034
Жыл бұрын
I wonder how Balins colony never came across the Balrog of Morgoth while in Moria.
@hitchman92
Жыл бұрын
These videos are top content man, love the knowledge of middle earth and the insite they bring 🤌 artwork and music are brilliant aswell 👌
@chrisryan2313
Жыл бұрын
Good Work ❤️❤️❤️
@FireCat14
Жыл бұрын
I don't know if the video exists or not, but would you make one for 'What if Thorin lived after the Battle of Five Armies?'
@quentinducerf3730
Жыл бұрын
A dwarf fleeded on a elven ship and then, they were none.
@lanceivanperalta2560
Жыл бұрын
Where was the balrog during balin's expedition into moria?
@themoonman-4
Жыл бұрын
Bravo!
@ManishSharma-vy7eb
6 ай бұрын
Dear, can you please let me know the name of the background music played in the last few seconds of this music?
@treyowen9213
7 ай бұрын
7:36 yyyeeeaaah…. Knock on wood.
@savageasthedragon
Жыл бұрын
So would thorin have tried to stop balin from going to kazadom or suport him ? And if he tried to stop him eould balin have lisened to thorin ?
@ZiggyMandarr
Жыл бұрын
BfME2 told me Gloin hangs out with Glorfidel and fights all over during the War in the North.
@tylergores7689
11 ай бұрын
Are you getting information from all the books yes or no
@adamsaavedra3746
Жыл бұрын
I hadn't realized I'd been mispronouncing Oin's and Gloin's names all these years
@jdspencer60
Жыл бұрын
What did Gandalf talk to Bombadil about for TWO YEARS after the LOTR events?
@zneuger6746
9 ай бұрын
One big issue I have with your video: Gloin is pronounced like "coin", not "glow-in". That's been known since shortly after publication of The Hobbit.
@matthiasarran270
Жыл бұрын
Didn't Balin know that the ring had been takin from Thrain when Gandalf told the story of finding him in Dol Goldur?
@user-hn9fr7mn3x
Жыл бұрын
Cool
@Fullmetalobiwan
Жыл бұрын
Is this elden ring music in the background?
@bash_maxwell
Жыл бұрын
See, here's the video game they should have made, instead of Gollum. Bilbo's further exploits between The Hobbit and LOTR, exploring, having adventures, maybe some dungeon crawling, with the Ring as an invisibility/sneak mechanic. Something light and fun, a break between the overall darkness of the bigger tale. It could still be done, maybe.
@sirbaltwin1439
Жыл бұрын
i like the hat, ill give yea 20 for it
@andrewperez28
9 ай бұрын
"Owen?" Really?
@JohnSmith-rw2yn
Жыл бұрын
if you read the books you may say elves or hobbits are you favourite, if you watch the movies you may say dwarves for their humour, Elves for the grace but skill of a fight, hobbits for the courage, banter and certain skills, but we still don't rate men 😅
@valentinkambushev4968
Жыл бұрын
Because we ourselves are men.
@JohnSmith-rw2yn
Жыл бұрын
@@valentinkambushev4968 underground, who have never seen the sun, but we really know how to party.
@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger
Жыл бұрын
"Men! Men are...well they're men. They're kind of a self insert and we know full well what we're like. We dont quite hate ourselves in the movies but honestly I'm not about to say we outright like ourselves either. Solid 4/10 performance, great cannon fodder"
@Sephiroth144
Жыл бұрын
Oh, I'm pretty sure we know Bombur fates- Diabetes.
@marcognudi664
Жыл бұрын
There's so many of these elements that the films could've at least found some inspiration or reference
@jeremiemonette
Жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Easterlings defeat Erebor and Dale, killing kings Bain and Dain and forcing the survivors to hide in Erebor, and it was at the siege of Thranduil's Halls that the Easterlings were finally defeated? 🤔
@jeremiemonette
Жыл бұрын
@@Alexs.2599 right, I read up on it after; it was Dol Guldur that was defeated in the Battle Under the Trees. Thanks!
@СергейЗакревский-ч2н
Жыл бұрын
Очень красивые рисунки - иллюстрации по Властелину колец, чувствуется талант художника
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