Clarification: 14:14 Rare Earth Mining: 5,000 tpy figure assumes a 50,000 tpy facility that primarily utilizes monazite as its feed-stock. Thorium is a companion element to Monazite. Monazite runs at +50% REE and about 7% Th. So if you processed 50,000 tons of monazite you would get about 3,500 tpy of Th. However, monazite would not be the only feed-stock. You would use many other mineralizations. like apatite running at 3% REE and .002% Th (but with lots of heavy REE). So it would be a mix and tend toward the 5,000 tpy range. Gord here! I finance travel and video capture and editing with a Patreon campaign. www.patreon.com/thorium ...and if you pledge only $1/year that's still a really big deal to me. I need both social reinforcement (many PEOPLE supporting) as well as actual financial support. So whichever you might have to offer, please do pledge something. Quite possibly, for 2020, I won't travel to a single conference. We will see. But I would be perfectly happy working with what I've shot to this point. Frankly, the most important asset I'm missing is not something I could ever get myself... that is laboratory footage. And at this point I expect the footage exists already, shot by everyone doing MSR work. Getting that is a matter of creating a communications piece stakeholders are comfortable letting me slot lab footage into. So if I'm spending any Gord-hours I can simply writing and editing, then I'm not-at-all feeling robbed by Covid-19. My communications with ORNL have been quite positive, and in regards to pieces like this. It is crazy-slow, but good. The very best value I could offer MSR advocates is to help ORNL create and release presentations and interviews like this themselves. They do already create educational and promotional pieces, but not at the volume nor specificity we want. ORNL MSRW went from zero public videos from ORNL MSRW 2017, to 3 from ORNL MSRW 2018, and it looks like we will (eventually) get 9 from ORNL MSRW 2019. Maybe 2020 won't happen, but they're aware that MORE is what MSR advocates want. ORNL sure don't need me to do this, except to get the ball rolling and demonstrate demand. If ORNL (and all National Labs doing nuclear R&D) did this themselves, I could gladly become irrelevant to the creation of these basic video assets and focus more on narrative. It is the narrative videos which tend to have a bigger impact. But I can't create narrative pieces without interviews such as these. (And lab footage.) So, again, if you can do Patreon then head here... www.patreon.com/thorium ... if that doesn't work for you please let me know what mechanism does. Thanks for your support, -Gord
@joealterinc
7 жыл бұрын
Gordon, these are fantastic, articulate videos, made for a great cause - please keep making them.
@TechnicolorTelephone
7 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video that I can send to people when I cannot be bothered to argue with them about Nuclear energy. Keep up the great work!!!! :)
@strange_daiz
7 жыл бұрын
I show your work to all I see, I pray that soon Humanity will see the light and support this with all their heart!
@cow_tools_
7 жыл бұрын
What an incredible supercut!! Great job, I learned a lot. It's great to see something encouraging for the future.
@ericasw28
7 жыл бұрын
again, super good video, i'd suggest one that would be thoroughly oriented towards waste, because it's quite a thing when chatting with people about nuclear technologies down here ! :)
@sircastic959
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, waste treatment and storage is a problem, but thorium already produces verry little waste compared to present nuclear energy.
@ericasw28
7 жыл бұрын
i know :) but that's exactly the point of a video oriented to the waste issue
@SuperFlons
7 жыл бұрын
ericasw28 +1 Maybe that video could also feature a part about the relative limited supply of materials for solar.
@DriveCarToBar
6 жыл бұрын
If waste disposal is of interest, Integral Fast Reactors are a better option than LFTRs. Arguably, the IFR is a more mature design than the LFTR, having run longer and with more funding at Argonne Natl. Labs in Idaho. Spent fuel from light water reactors can be reprocessed using techniques developed at Argonne and the spent fuel reprocessed and reused for decades in reactors that are also passively safe, just like the LFTR. The resulting waste is much less hazardous than the stuff coming from LWRs and has a much shorter half life. It also has no proliferation issues, just like the LFTR.
@MostlyPennyCat
6 жыл бұрын
Yep, people do worry about waste. So a video on: Lack of waste produced by MSRs MSRs configured as "waste burners" fueled by waste from PWRs.
@judahtanthony
7 жыл бұрын
This is why we never should have stopped researching nuclear. The US let fear cause us to fall behind.
@jmitterii2
6 жыл бұрын
Not just fear, but ignorance. I think ignorance is the fuel of all fear.
@synchlaviersample4287
3 жыл бұрын
Problem is not nuclear a very clean and efficient form of energy - rather it would appear the problem is corrupt management and lack of stringent oversight of plant operations - human greed
@terryfloyd6487
7 жыл бұрын
Thorium rocks are the stepping stones to Star Trek Tech.
@STSWB5SG1FAN
5 жыл бұрын
Hardly, first we will have to get over the public's basic (yet somewhat justifiable) fear of nuclear energy.
@tsunamie1015
4 жыл бұрын
@@STSWB5SG1FAN I would say it's justified, even if the chances are very low. On the other hand, the vast majority just doesn't know that there are other ways of nuclear power production. So the biggest issue is just lack of education/public awareness.
@robinhyperlord9053
4 жыл бұрын
*Fusion
@Hogger280
2 жыл бұрын
@@STSWB5SG1FAN Not justifiable; safest industry there is.
@billhart9832
7 жыл бұрын
Gordon, Wow! Your editing efforts have finally resulted in a single comprehensive video hitting all of the attributes T-MSRs have and the services they can provide. This is the one to circulate as widely as possible!
@sergiokorochinsky49
7 жыл бұрын
yeah... all of the attributes... but none of the shortcomings!...
@fireofenergy
Жыл бұрын
@@sergiokorochinsky49 What short comings (that greedy people can't keep energy scarce)?
@fireofenergy
Жыл бұрын
I'm still posting these videos (what seems like decades later)!
@CUBETechie
4 жыл бұрын
So Thorium is an byproduct of Mining? What they do with the Thorium normaly? The coal used annually worldwide for power generation contains, about 10,000 tons of uranium and 25,000 tons of thorium, which either end up in the environment or accumulate in power plant ash and filter dust but it be extracted from the ash? And how would it be done?
@npsit1
7 жыл бұрын
I'd be very excited to see LFTR facilities being built in the next 5 or 10 years... The things we could do with it.
@standavison328
5 жыл бұрын
In the early days after WWII, Hymen Rickover and Dixie Lee Ray made some key pathway decisions to develop pressurized water reactor designs. This made sense at the time. Our technological momentum has since carried us down that pathway to where we are now. We need to evaluate our energy options and choose a new pathway. Or we can just wait for the Chinese. I’m sure they will be glad to sell us the technology very cheaply.
@leoolsthoorn3124
6 жыл бұрын
Why does it have to take so long when the need is so urgent?
@MrVaticanRag
3 жыл бұрын
I've watched many times, all the videos the were beautifully chopped up and put together to make this incredible video posting and still enjoy them all regardless of watching Kirk age another 15 years or so - thank you all and in particular Gordon's Stirling efforts to preserve them all.🥝🥝🙏
@MrVaticanRag
3 жыл бұрын
Except for Dr. Helen Candiclott's rant.
@robertr.hasspacher7731
7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, Gordon! Getting better and better always. Thank you! Also, gotta gloat a little bit...I was one of the very few pro-Trump members on TEA's facebook page...and Lo! he delivers at least some lip service. Let's see if it turns into anything practical, but I'm optimistic.
@gordonmcdowell
7 жыл бұрын
Created a custom version which highlights Trump's statements up-front. Might be more compelling to Trump supporters. kzitem.info/news/bejne/zo6XqqWIq4KUkoI
@steveturpin4242
4 жыл бұрын
Our only hope left....all hail Thorium!
@ZenMasterChip
7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Gordon, keep it up... Good stuff, you make 'em I'll push them from my end. XD
@MechMan0124
7 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree, light water reactors suck and we need nuclear energy; fossil fuels are going to bite us in the rear and "green energy" sources just don't have the punch and stamina we need to meet our demands. Molten Salt Reactors don't run at high pressure so there is no risk of a Chernobyl type explosion, they can be made to be walk-away safe using the frozen salt plug and drain tank so no Fukushima or 3-Mile island scenarios, they use fuel far more efficiently since the fissile material is dissolved in a liquid and thoroughly mixed which stretches our fuel supply, and the higher temperatures they can run should equate to higher generation capacity in a smaller package with lower cost, etc.. Molten salt reactors would be great! Why do we need to start with Thorium and all the complicated breeding process though? Why can't we focus on mastering the chemical and mechanical challenges of using more conventional uranium fuel dissolved in a single-liquid molten salt reactor design, then tackle the two-fluid/fertile blanket/thorium breeding problem separately once the tech is mature? That would get the ball rolling and get our foot in the door. There are serious problems left to solve with respect to balancing neutron use between fission and breeding, issues with the materials in the separator breaking down from radiation and heat damage, issues with the chemistry involved in distilling out fission products and finished fissile material, etc, many of which could be reduced by putting off on the thorium->u235 breeding cycle until the technology is more mature. Uranium is still cheap, even more so when you eliminate the manufacturing costs of solid fuel assemblies so fueling costs would be reasonable. Don't go calling me a naysayer, Thorium is definitely a worthwhile long-term goal.. It just seems like taking things in smaller steps may get this technology rolling more quickly. Is there a physics basis for why Molten Salt Reactor technology would be incompatible with current Uranium fuel?
@alanbrown397
6 жыл бұрын
"green energy" sources just don't have the punch and stamina we need to meet our demands. Amen to that. "Green energy" sources can just about meet electricity demands of 2010-2015, but when you factor in increased electrical demand for transportation, heating (domestic oil/gas heating systems will be axed in the face of climate change) and industrial processes then you can figure an additional 6 to 8 times increase in demand in developed countries. In developing countries by the time they're brought up to the same demands as the rest of us, that's more like factor of 20-30 increase in global generation capacity being required.
@nicholaslee270
7 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I love these documentaries
@flameconvoy7424
7 жыл бұрын
Good video but why is it so Frankenstein stitched together in editing?
@GraemeRobertMcDowell
7 жыл бұрын
Kaeden Ngai-Natsuhara it is largely based on 6h edit ... kzitem.info/news/bejne/k6WBnIapb6t3poI ... you might find that less frantic, although my 2016 claim that no MSRE footage was publicly available became false before the 2017 edition.
@Matlockization
7 жыл бұрын
Thorium salt reactor can produce cheaper electricity than solar cells.
@TronSAHeroXYZ
7 жыл бұрын
This is fun to watch thanks for the video.
@sethapex9670
7 жыл бұрын
if you're using air or other gasses as the working fluid for the turbine, wouldn't a Tesla turbine design be better than a bladed turbine?
@leoolsthoorn3124
7 жыл бұрын
Why does it take so long to get started to build thorium MSR?
@leerman22
7 жыл бұрын
A lot of the research is lost, and most regulations don't approve of any fuel that isn't solid oxide. It's a bitch to get even carbide fuels approved.
@sergiokorochinsky49
7 жыл бұрын
look at 8:25 to 8:36 how Sorensen shamelessly speaks about liquid fuel and meltdown of a core... in an MSR the core is molten 24/7!!! What industry considers the worst possible accident scenario, the MSR takes it as a design requirement. It's crazy! It will take a looong time before any regulator license a facility like this.
@TomisaburoRMizugawa
7 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, you won't have to buy the reactors from Chinese, they won't sell them to you. They'll rent them to you at best, but they'll prefer to sell you the energy ;-)
@AmurTiger
7 жыл бұрын
Is that a bad thing though? I'm pretty sure if we could start a serious nuclear build program on a BOO ( Build-Own-Operate ) model in the US/West it'd be a better outcome then waiting for the US/EU/Western nuclear industry to get it's act together. Turkey and Rosatom are actually doing exactly that and most view Rosatom's willingness to back up their product by doing a BOO seems to have helped get things moving given the challenges around financing these huge projects.
@mindstorm-yr9rf
7 жыл бұрын
From my understanding, the US has had a boom in industry related jobs in recent years because energy prices in the US have come down a bit. I fear that, if China beats us to the Thorium reactor, that trend will shift back towards China. They'll then have all the jobs, and we'll be left in another economic depression. We need to get thorium MSRs working and turned into a serious market before that happens.
@whykhr
7 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid the US will be stuck to import nuclear power from Canada and Mexico, and China & Russia can park floating barge NPPs outside of the 200mile limit so they can tell the corrupt NRC to blow-off, and sell clean electricity to energy starving US cities, after the Shale Gas bubble bursts and the US is forced to burn expensive imported terrorist diesel and LNG for its electricity supply.
@AmurTiger
7 жыл бұрын
It's certainly true that industry likes low energy prices and that keeping them reasonably low will be important to keep some degree of manufacturing going in the US, but that's also sorta the point I'm making. If China/Russia is willing to sell the US reactors ( and one of them certainly will ) the US will have the low-cost energy needed, one all-too-likely alternative to China/Russia selling reactors to the US is that we get stuck with expensive energy and that will result in the economic impacts you're worried about. Even importing power from Canada/Mexico wouldn't be as bad as the possible scenario of the US just having expensive energy for decades, as much as my own country ( Canada ) might love to make some business selling electricity to the US there isn't enough capital and will here to make up for the lack of it south of the border, Canada can't finance a reactor build program to serve the US in full. Also the floating barges aren't designed for open ocean so I wouldn't worry about that ;) the real threat is going to be being stuck 1-2 decades behind in terms of energy infrastructure and losing out competitively as a result, buying Chinese/Russian reactors or Canadian/Mexican power could actually help take the edge off.
@urduib
7 жыл бұрын
Spot on. Chinese will hold the active patents. China will be the biggest super power in human history. Buy stocks in Chinese Thorium development
@pheedmesmobbilenode
6 жыл бұрын
"Hey these guys had a pretty good idea, lets go back to it"
@LadyCatriona22
6 жыл бұрын
Can I get one as a camp stove? (seriously)
@MikeLisanke
7 жыл бұрын
based on the and many other videos... I have to ask ... why? why aren't we already doing this? why don't we have LFTR running all over the place? What is holding back this technology? or WHO is holding it back? Does its commercialization require a huge investment it's not getting?
@MatthewHolevinski
7 жыл бұрын
0:45 seconds in.... is there any new content here?
@MatthewHolevinski
7 жыл бұрын
ehh, the canon bryan and trump quotes were new to me
@101m4n
7 жыл бұрын
Thorium is a very interesting energy option. The LFTR especially. We should have had them decades ago, but politics got in the way. Again. I will say this though, the ludicrously heavy editing abundant in this video and others really does hurt their credibility in the eyes of the average viewer. Makes it look like the whole thing was hacked together from unrelated information. It's a shame, the LFTR technology really does need more credible media exposure.
@ticklemeandillhurtyou5800
7 жыл бұрын
There's another major reason why they don't go with this technology thorium reactors don't produce weapons-grade plutonium that's why they went with that design the first place to generate fuel for thermal nuclear weapons
@ikeme84
6 жыл бұрын
True, but I recently saw a video where a nuclear engineer (Blomqvist) told his audience that no commercial energy reactor has ever created weapons grade plutonium. They do produce plutonium, but not of the quality they need for the weapons. It's more efficient and cheaper to just have a reactor dedicated to creating the weapons grade plutonium.
@SomeGuy-nr9id
6 жыл бұрын
Its more i think that current reactors use weapons byproducts as it is. We will have nukes made and that waste disposed either way as that is a necessity. However if the claims made that thorium is so much safer on civil use then it seems to me that this is a perfect supplementary power source to uranium based reactors. The fear of meltdowns from reactors like fukashima cherynoble prevents them proliferating that is a undeniable fact. That alone makes them a national symbol of weakness for any nation forced to use them.
@alanbrown397
6 жыл бұрын
It's true that it's easier to make weapons materials from dedicated reactors - and one of the worst nuclear accidents ever was one of those reactors (Sellafield/Windscale) - only mitigated by filters on the exhaust stacks, else it would have been much worse than Chernobyl.
@stefanguels
6 жыл бұрын
They generate Uranium 233... perfect stuff to build "low tech" gun-type Hiroshima bomb designs. It'*too* easy to build an A-bomb with that, so you'll have to worry about proliferation.
@alanbrown397
6 жыл бұрын
If you're using a single salt system it's virtually impossible to chemically separate U233 or proactinium out without also getting high gamma emitting isotopes coming along for the ride - which make any attempt to build such a bomb useless unless you like fizzles. It'd be ruinously expensive to separate out using centrifuges and in any case the logistics, size and power consumption of a centrifuge farm are hard to hide, even if you're a nation-state like Iran (Isotopic separation costs of uranium fuel are so high that the USA regards them as a classified secret, but the power cables going into the facilities give a hint as to the energy requirements) In any case, as the U233 comprises a critical path in the breeding/fission process, taking it out of the reactor it will make a big dent in your output power and pretty much destroys your neutron economy so it's detectable pretty quickly. This is one of the reasons why thorium single salt designs are regarded as proliferation-resistant. Another is that the salts in a working reactor are so fiercely radioactive that you can't just attempt to slip a vial into your backpack. Yet another is that you don't need or even want to reprocess all the waste products. Simply extracting the neutron poisons and low mass products is sufficient and that's mostly as simple as pulling iodine/helium/hydrogen out of the sparge space behind the circulation pump and _limited_ onsite online chemical processing of a small fraction of the salt with no need (or desire) for isotopic separation. The reprocessing should be entirely within the facility, meaning that salts stay onsite at all times. If you're using a dual salt thorium blanket system then you could extract the Proactinium more easily (it's this that decays to U233), but the 2-fluid setup is expensive, offers no substantial benefits over the single fluid setup (the plumbing is hideously more complex for 2-fluid, whilst the tradeoff for single fluid is a larger volume in circulation and the cost/benefit strongly favours 1-fluid) and the decrease in output will _still_ be detected long before you have obtained usable quantities of U233. What that means is that anyone pushing a 2-fluid setup in real life is going to have their installations watched like a hawk to make sure they're not being naughty. Weapons proliferation from a thorium reactor is _possible_, but it's a lot harder and way more expensive than with current technology. (Mind you, everyone thought CANDU was proliferation-proof until India proved the Canadians wrong by stealing uranium from right under the contractors' noses). The best defense against this is to ensure that any possible path to chemical extraction of U233 is heavily contaminated with hot isotopes, so that the resulting material is useless for bombmaking without expensive isotopic separation methods. This is already the case for the plutonium produced in a thorium reactor. (Dirty bombs are mostly a myth. They have a very limited area of effect and anything radioactive enough to have a biological effect is also detectable from a distance (see fukushima cleanup). On the other hand things like Depleted Uranium are quite nasty environmental toxins as well as important for weapons work (they're the casings for "H-bombs" (teller-ulam devices) as well as bullets) and the current nuclear enrichment processes keep producing ~90kg of the stuff for every 10kg of reactor-grade u235 made (1 to 10 tons for every kg of weapons-grade). Thankfully a thorium reactor can happily eat (low quantities) of U238 whilst operating, along with conventional used nuclear fuel rods (which surprisingly can apparently be slowly "dropped in, whole" without any further processing needed as flibe salt will dissolve them and strip the ceramics).
@colsylvester639
7 жыл бұрын
I'm definitely in support of thorium nuclear fuel cycles and molten salt reactors...what grinds my gears is that the powers that be here in the UK and in the USA seem to be sleep walking in to giving away the opportunity to develop reactors that cater for local need. It's great that China and India are running with this because they need clean energy too. Are we forgetting those 3rd world nations that still burn dung and wood for cooking and heating? How will a reactor developed by China help those nations? Perhaps it will, but I suspect it will be all about making money first and less about the human and environmental suffering solution. Just my 2 pence..
@Hogger280
2 жыл бұрын
There are a hundred good reasons to use thorium to provide power for Mankind and removing carbon dioxide (not carbon) from any part of our environment is NOT ONE OF THEM! CO2 has a very minimal effect on Earth temperatures (maybe 1%) but has a huge beneficial effect on growing food and greening the Earth in general. Radical Environmentalists have the relationship of CO2 and temperatures backwards: A rise in temperature is followed by a rise in CO2 level, Not the other way around. I know it is fun for those that believe in CO2 driven global warming to talk about energy production that produces no CO2 but it is in fact an irrelevant point. So, by all means lets produce abundant cheap energy using thorium MSR's and Fusion when it is conquered to bring about the many benefits, not the least of which are cheap electricity and water desalinization, But, lets stop spreading the lie that CO2 needs to be reduced !!
@Etheoma
5 жыл бұрын
eletric cars are worth it even if you are using pure coal fire power plants as coal fire power plants are many times more efficient than internal combustion engines in cars, also the electricity to drive a given distance is already cheaper than the fuel to travel the same distance in a regular car. The limitation isn't the cost of power which already a fair amount of that cost is actually to deliver that power to you, rather than the raw cost of production. But it would be nice to have energy generation that is so cheap that you just pay a flat rate for access to energy to a reasonable limit like if you are using your energy to run an arc furnace yeah you are going to be paying more than a home owner, partly because of the raw flow of energy you would need to run it that couldn't be ran out of the fuse box of a home. Although at the point where energy is "too cheap to meter" I think really you should be socialising the cost of energy, because at that point it's only about maintaining the infrastructure and it should be treated like roads where it's free at the point of use and you pay a tax. So that poor people can have access to energy and the rich would pay the most for there energy and the middle class would pay less than they otherwise would.
@cellardoor7500
7 жыл бұрын
Great editing.
@Axman6
7 жыл бұрын
FirmGrip DownWithTheShip seriously? I feel this video gave me schizophrenia. This style of editing conveys very little information, only very shallow ideas, and makes this feel like a conspiracy theory video. I'm a big thorium fan but this doesn't really help the cause.
@cellardoor7500
7 жыл бұрын
Alex Mason seriously. I found it was fast paced and contained nothing that was not pertinent to the topic. With the immense volume of interesting topics on the internet I end up wanting content to take me along at a quicker speed so I enjoyed this video very much. I'm in my 30's and I find that my parents generation say It is difficult to watch anything with jump cuts. They say similar comments like your "schizophrenic feeling" when watching modern media. It's too much for them to handle. A good comparison would be that they watch television news at night and I watch Philip DeFranco online for news. Look at the difference in editing and you will see clearly what I mean. Philip edits out all breathing between sentences...so it's very fast talking. My folks feel like they are going insane when watching it. Whereas I find television news very slow and am always feeling like get to the point please.
@unsettledroell
7 жыл бұрын
What about a fast spectrum molten salt reactor? Euratom is doing this i beleive
@gordonmcdowell
7 жыл бұрын
unsettledroell fast spectrum molten salt reactors are being pursued and certainly should be pursued. But there are reasons to pursue thermal spectrum which were weighed against fast spectrum long ago and those reasons are being ignored. TerraPower is also looking at fast spectrum. That is Bill Gates, which is pretty interesting because bill gates said liquid fuel reactors seemed complicated to him previously. So maybe he has opened his mind to it.
@sergiokorochinsky49
7 жыл бұрын
gordonmcdowell, the ONLY reason to favour thermal spectrum is the bigger cross sections, but once your design ensures criticality this issue is irrelevant. On the other hand, it is easier to breed with fast neutrons (both Th and U) and very difficult with thermal flux (only Th as a candidate).
@khanrhy
7 жыл бұрын
Sergio Korochinsky so use fast breeder molten salt reactors to burn up the standing waste piles. And thermal for LFTR. Each fuel has a best fit design.
@sergiokorochinsky49
7 жыл бұрын
Rhy K, it is easier to breed with fast neutrons, both U and Th, although Th would be less proliferation (you can make bombs with U-233, but U-232 is a big problem). If you insist on using thermal spectrum (like Lifter) then Th is the only option for breeding. If you want to burn stock piles then you don't want to breed and the problem is totally different. You don't need molten salts fuel to breed with fast spectrum (see LMFBR).
@khanrhy
7 жыл бұрын
Sergio Korochinsky yup I like LFTR better for the various reasons in Kirks FLiBe presentations.
@reesetom1
7 жыл бұрын
good job!
@jredgewell
6 жыл бұрын
good video
@oilinki3
7 жыл бұрын
Trying to promote thorium reactors by dissing uranium reactors is the worst strategy, there could be. The only people who are interested about Thorium reactors, are the ones who support traditional nuclear power. With this video, you only push supporters away.
@alanbrown397
6 жыл бұрын
The problem is that Uranium reactors (and PWR in particular) are a fundamtnally unsafe design. They were OK as proof of concept at Nautilus scale, but not when built at industrial electricity generation sizes. They're giant steam bombs looking for an excuse to rupture. Weinberg realised that in the 1950s. That's _why_ he put so much effort into developing LFTR technology. What had been done with his first baby scared the bejezus out of him because of the consequences when the materials technology failed. At least if the materials in a LFTR/MSR fail, the mess is contained.
@infantjones
5 жыл бұрын
@Alan Brown Do none of you people know that Molten Salt Reactors not only can use Uranium, but are easier to use with Uranium as well? This idea that it's either Uranium or Thorium is nonsense, though Uranium is both cheaper and simpler to use in MSRs. Instead of breeding Uranium via Thorium, you just start with the Uranium. Further, the idea that Uranium reactors are "fundementally unsafe" is absolute nonsense. I understand the claim that PWRs are (though they still have an exceptional safety record), but to say Uranium is unsafe isn't based in reality.
@jeebus6263
7 жыл бұрын
I understand why @10:30 this video addresses the OECD report, but most viewers probably don't care. The whole re-wording really doesn't help either.
@gordonmcdowell
7 жыл бұрын
Jeebus K could you head to ThoriumRemix.com and assemble your own edit that excludes that portion? I can't post every permutation myself or else my video account will be considered video spam
@muledeer654
4 жыл бұрын
I think we have two options, traditional and primitive lifestyles like our ancestors or true nuclear sustainability. With massive consumption and limited resources it seems like taking the middle ground between conservation and scientific progress will doom us to insignificance, but I think humanity has a future still, but we gotta choose. My two cents
@gordonmcdowell
4 жыл бұрын
I'd argue a primitive lifestyle is anything but low impact. It was low-impact (and sometimes not even low-impact) because of low population density. Low-population density was maintained by short lifespans. I'd recommend Hans Rosling's (RIP) take on it (included here) kzitem.info/news/bejne/z4Gfu4ZroJljZ2U ...if you want to give that deep-link about 3 minutes of your time.
@cedriceveleigh
7 жыл бұрын
What about the proliferation issue of chemical extraction of protactinium-233 to produce pure uranium-233? For more info: phys.org/news/2012-12-thorium-proliferation-nuclear-wonder-fuel.html
@gordonmcdowell
7 жыл бұрын
Dr. Stephen Boyd talks to those concerns: kzitem.info/news/bejne/rKWpmn-kn4KUiag ...basically there's already anti-proliferation mechanisms used today for PWR. Instead of tracking fuel in & out & timing (to ensure U is not toasted to create weapons-grade Pu), with liquid fuel it becomes a matter of tagging isotopes and using homogenous nature of fluids to monitor plant in real-time.
@whykhr
7 жыл бұрын
Cedric dude why didn't you take the trouble to read the comments from the article you linked. The premise of the authors was totally debunked in the comments. LFTR and properly designed MSRs are highly proliferation resistant. First off U-233 has no practical use for a nation state bomb builder and nobody has gone that route, nor rationally would go that route, so that is a giant proliferation resistant fact right off the bat. And a thorium thermal spectrum breeder, cannot supply surplus U-233 without adding an import of U-235 or Pu-239 which TOTALLY DESTROYS the rationale for using the thermal breeder in the first place. What idiot would trade surreptitious U-235/Pu-239, both superior for weapons than U-233, for easily detectable and fantastically more expensive & difficult U-233 production, in the fantasy that you could somehow build a practical weapon with the U-233. A reactor that has extreme fuel economy, 200X lower than LWRs, means a very small uranium inventory, a very small fissile inventory, much smaller need for enrichment, vastly smaller fissile material production, storage and transport, easy detection of diversion = proliferation resistance. Extremely difficult and expensive to convert a LFTR or MSR to produce the extremely pure Pa-233 needed to avoid U-232 contamination, and such efforts are easy to detect in many ways. And in general weapons have always been made from uranium sources, so switching to a thorium based economy is going to make obtaining fissile material much more difficult. And having fuel in a molten salt form makes it easy to have an emergency method to denature the fuel in the event of terrorist or foreign invasion. As long as it is far, far easier to build a graphite reactor or a heavy water reactor to produce weapons materials by proven and well established, public knowledge methods, than that is more than sufficient for any rational security protocol. And as for terrorism, it would be orders of magnitude easier and more effective to pursue chemical and biological WMD than nuclear. So that leaves nation states, and we couldn't even stop a tiny poverty-stricken piss-pot country North Korea from developing sophisticated nukes, without a commercial reactor program, so that puts a dead stop to any ideas that fanatical constraints on commercial reactors is of any value whatsoever. Right now, by far and away, the #1 issue of nuclear proliferation is the willingness of Oligarch controlled nations like the EU and America to invade nations to get at their oil resources, build gas pipelines or force them to join the privately controlled Central Bank cartel. Countries like Iraq and Libya agreed to abandon their weapons programs in return for security promises from Europe and America and then were promptly invaded justified by fabricated evidence. There is no way North Korea will stop its weapons program now, knowing full well that will make it vulnerable to another US led invasion. .zerohedge d0t c0m /news/2015-10-10/us-foreign-policy-explained-1-simple-flow-chart
@cedriceveleigh
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing @gordonmcdowell. Although Pa-233 extraction may be challenging and it may be possible to monitor its extraction, point remains that it is a proliferation concern. I'm worried that the movement around thorium, including your video, is disinclined from giving fair weight to the drawbacks of the thorium fuel cycle.
@whykhr
7 жыл бұрын
A neutral debate would be wonderful, but that is NOT what we have. We have a highly one-sided debate because the anti-nuclear forces have unlimited funding, unlimited political influence, insanely powerful lobbies, the backing of the incredible private Bank monopolies and the media they control, and super-rich anti-nuclear lobbies like Greenpeace ($400M/yr) all financed by the wealthiest two businesses on the planet 1) Banking 2) Big Oil.
@whykhr
7 жыл бұрын
To see how laughable it is to chastise Thorium advocates for "not being neutral" in the debate about energy, just watch the KZitem video on the Thorium Remix channel entitled " Penn & Teller vs Dr. Helen Caldicott, Candles & Anti-Nuclear Fearmongering - TR2016c 4h54m39s20f ". Wackamondo crackpots given free run to spout any kind of fabricated nonsense beyond the limits of absurdity, and these cretins are actually promoted in the MSM, while Caldicott, a member of the Fukushima Death Cult, gets $100K donations spreading Fear Porn about Big Oil's main competition. Funny how rational expert nuclear engineers or radiation health physicists are NEVER heard from on the MSM. Now I wonder who would be giving her $100k donations? Think.
@SwampDonkey64
6 жыл бұрын
The left over stuff doesn’t go boom! No good for us thanks for stopping by.
@infantjones
5 жыл бұрын
Neither do the leftovers from Uranium LWRs.
@dskaz8926
4 жыл бұрын
@@infantjones Actually they do. In a few years after the fission products that poison nuclear waste have decayed away you're basically left with stockpiles of uranium and plutonium which can rather easily be converted into bombs. It's a serious concern.
@infantjones
4 жыл бұрын
@@dskaz8926 That's only the case for certain reactor types utilizing certain "burn" profiles and the reprocessing is expensive. It isn't easily converted into bombs.
@EdPheil
5 жыл бұрын
All Chlorides are lower melting point than the same element fluoride.
@pheedmesmobbilenode
6 жыл бұрын
Vote this guy as president. He can tag team with musk and change our planet for the better. Science Bitch.
@azafreak
7 жыл бұрын
O SNAP perfect timing
@eddiedelzer8823
2 жыл бұрын
A free idea that needs to be shared, by the World. You can't sell what you don't own. All these ideas are off KZitem. Water shortages and food shortages are caused by the lack of rain and snow or is it more likely, the lack of large amounts of electricity to make water. Sunspots, cosmic rays, the Earth's Magnetosphere, jets stream, the amount of salt in the ocean water at the poles, and volcanic dust in the upper atmosphere, may be something you look into. Look at the history of solar cycles like the Modern Eddy Mimium we are now living in. Check the number of days in a now shorter and colder growing cycle we maybe living in as we look to feed the world. Time for a total marketable idea to feed and water the World. Well, well a water well, an old idea, but today we all can make water out of the air. Today we can use solar power, wind power, Wateroter or slow speed turbines, Natrium and or Thorium salt reactors and then use an atmospheric water generators and Seawater distillation systems to make water all day long even in the driest places on Earth. Now let's take it to the next step. I don't sell any of these ideas, or work for any companies I talk about, the question is, is now the time to market a total package and save the planet? How would I change the world. First Trump wants to build a wall, Bill Gates wants to reduce the population, I got a better idea. YES a better idea, that we can build and do today. Just search all these ideas I put together here to solve real World problems. The applied future of Natrium or Thorium reactors that can make water and grow food, and can be used to feed the world. Now we start by building a Magnetic Levitation Railroad between San Diego and the Gulf of Mexico to replace the Panama canal for shipping containers traveling at 250 miles per hour. Now also, using the same right of way, build an Irrigation Project to turn the Southern United States and Northern Mexico into a World class agriculture center. How do I power this project by using a liquid fluoride thorium reactor (acronym LFTR; often pronounced lifter) is a type of molten salt reactor. If you search for a map of Thorium deposits in the United States, you can see by the map we have tons of Thorium all over the United States. Check on KZitem and search What they don't want you to know about Thorium, and other Thorium videos. Also search Natrium salt reactors, both types of reactors can be used to make power. What am I going to power with Thorium Reactor or Natrium Reactor? I would build: Atmospheric Water Generators and Seawater Desalination plants. With these plants I would make Electrical power, Drinking water, Irrigation water, mine the ocean for Rare earth minerals. Along the right away I would build fresh water fish farms based on Hydroponics for fish meat and fertilizer. Adding a third Thorium or Natriun reactor and by pumping desalinated sea water to the head waters of all rivers in the area, that water would replace water tables through natural filtration into the soil. Projects of this size could feed three to four time the population of the world, by turning the Sahara Desert, Central Africa and Australian Outback into gardens. I have been telling people about this for years. Green houses made of transparent aluminum can be built in the far North and using Thorium or Natrium power plants with seven color LED grow lights, both the North and South poles could also be used to grow food. We can do this today. 12/12/2021 The use of transparent aluminum greenhouses underwater and in oceans can add additional grow areas for World food production. Eddie Delzer 01/12/2019 Update 7/4/2021 Do you have a nearby moving river or stream? You can now place a slow speed water generator on the bottom of the stream and make power. The unit is called a Wateroter made in Canada. The Wateroters won't harm fish and can be scaled up to meet the needs of small towns or cities. Make the power miles away from the small town, sell the power to the power company than use the power to make water anywhere. Atmospheric water generators can make drinking water and irrigation water, and with a Wateroter, power can be made even in remote regions of the World. You just need moving water in streams, irrigation channels, fish ladders or even waste water outlet's. Garbage treatment plants can also use the power they make burning garbage to make water with atmospheric water generators and add storage tanks to supply small towns and cities. Adding Wateroters below dams can maximize electrical power made by any dam and replace power lost if the dam has a fish ladder or channel for fish to move up and down stream. A dam can be saved for flood control by adding these powered fish ladders and channels or notching the dam and putting in a flood gate to raise and lower the river during fish runs. Now people and fish can share the river. Final idea, dealing with forest fires. You build and place 100,000 to 5,000,000 gallon water tanks on hilltops to protect your town. You cover the tanks with solar panels and add wind turbines to make power anywhere. You sell the power, drinking water and irrigation water, then by adding irrigation pipes down the hillsides, you can create fire lines that lasts up to 24 hours. You make these fire lines by adding TetraKO, by Earth Clean at a 4 to 6 percent solution to the water. Turn on these stand alone units remotely, your fire trucks can work elsewhere or resupply themselves with needed water. Fire protection, drinking water, irrigation water and stand alone power for any city or town in need. These ideas all can be done today, just search KZitem, and then tell someone. There are two kinds of books In life, The book of answers and the book of questions, both need looking at, take that idea with you.
@ektdredd2126
2 жыл бұрын
Is this some kind of future investment on how your soul would have done it despite the fact that nobody listened? I do like your solutions. They would probably work in a post satanic society.
@seaplaneguy1
5 жыл бұрын
Getting a Thorium reactor on the grid does NOTHING for the average Joe in terms grid costs. Being less than Coal or Combined Cycle (nat gas) is required to get on the grid, but it will not SAVE people money. Key point. Getting my engine in a car gives a person 4x cost reduction (25 mpg to 100 mpg), leading to NH3 from house at 50 c/gal e via solar. A new car with engine would do 200 mpg. My roadable seaplane "cockpit" pod would do 500 mpg without the wings. The only way to save Joe blow some money with Thorium is to make the fuel at the plant with electricity at 1 c/kwh. The grid makes "fuel making" too expensive relative to oil. Grid is 12 c/kwh. $0.12 /kwh x 33.7 Kwh/gal e x 1.5 factor for electricity to NH3 = $6.06/gal e. Gasoline is now $2. Won't work. Why then would I want to BUY a Thorium reactor? To MAKE CHEAP fuel from CO2 in the ocean (on a desert island?) or NH3, depending on application. Run NH3 in trucks and C10 Jet A fuel in airplanes. Be my own fuel supplier! Understand? The grid will collapse with wind/solar costs adding 15 c/kwh to base costs. Do the math. Coal based grid is 8 c/kwh. Wind is 5-6 at the mill. Add in 15 c/kwh more and you get 30 cent/kwh (Germany rates). If my engine on solar thermal + engine + Nh3 maker can make NH3 for 50 c/kwh (1 c/kwh electricity), then why would I want to buy electricity from a grid? I won't if I have solar house. Grid is over in 20-30 years. So what will Thorium be used for? MAKING FUELS. I don't want to have to make a wind/solar farm to make fuels. A thorium reactor can save me a lot of hassle and be put on a semi truck. Anything larger than a semi truck is NOT valid for fuel making. I need to be able to move it around if needed. I need to be able to dump the fuel to a container that the NRC can regulate and move the plant as needed. Small is MUCH better. That $5 million fees...not going to happen with me. Sorry, NRC. I go to an island and make fuel if you want to jerk me around. Understand? Thorium = fuels for trucks, cars, boats, airplane and houses, all CO2 free if that is your worry. Me, I just want to make money....CO2 is plant food....don't care.
@petergambier
7 жыл бұрын
Excellent, can I have one in my car please?
@edschminke
7 жыл бұрын
Peter Gambier well no... But it can produce abundant energy for your car
@petergambier
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Erik, I was just hoping that was all.
@rogermorey
6 жыл бұрын
It is more complex as per the "Chemical Kidney" transuranics problem along with Industry wide incompetence. See timeline 4:00 on Sorensen's unvisitied kzitem.info/news/bejne/ooqcqGyFqKedo5w Note most of your neutrons will come from U235 to convert Throium to U233.
@zanimoniak4885
6 жыл бұрын
4:28 my ears just died
@GregSteg
7 жыл бұрын
7:18 -"a small port in the bottom of the reactor" doesn't turn out well in Star Wars.
@MaximeDulude
7 жыл бұрын
one of your best work so far :) Hopefully Trump will be able to understand the thorium reactors and not just see the contribution from his friend / donnor.
@jomossino79
7 жыл бұрын
Scarcity maximizes profits.
@handyallen
2 жыл бұрын
Does Elon know hes going to need a Thorium reactor in order to live on Mars or the moon for that matter.
@mumumumah
6 жыл бұрын
Kirk sort of sounds like Matt Damon. Perhaps if Matt Damon promoted Th we would have better luck.
@daybrown3221
7 жыл бұрын
Both the Pentagon & the Soviets wanted a high speed long range bomber. A high speed crash presents horrific contamination. realbigbird.com is a low speed catamaran biplane that scoops hundreds of tons of water to fight wildfires. But its also a global emergency services system that could splash down in the Houston harbor and provide power to the local emergency services soon as the weather abates. Before a storm, the seaplane, like the famous China Clipper, could draw up to a dock to evacuate those- who'd otherwise foolishly try to ride it out, but cant resist the experience of the flight. No commute to a suburban airport, and none of the panic seen there either.
@okumakamizu3030
7 жыл бұрын
We no need no misogynistic white male science, we need feminism, and equal outcome, and reparations, oh and 23% "gender wage gap" tax for males and additional bachelor tax for males, and ofcorse gender and racial quotas for universities with safe spaces sensitivity and antirape curriculum. This is 2017 people. ;)
@jeffbingaman2754
6 жыл бұрын
Why not just boil water with a fresnel lens and then just have a steam engine that cost nothing to run. When it's cloudy, 🍙🎼Throw Another Log on the Fire🎶
@harbselectronicslab3551
7 жыл бұрын
Current energy suppliers hate this Tech.............the Chinese will lead the way here.
@GizmoFromPizmo
7 жыл бұрын
Government is the problem. Get rid of government and you can get the job done. Government is in bed with the status quo. The status quo has GOT to go!
@disgny
7 жыл бұрын
Gizmo: You seem to have forgotten that it was "government" that invented the Thorium Reactor. No "Private Enterprise" would have been crazy enough to have done that.
@smh9902
7 жыл бұрын
"You seem to have forgotten that it was "government" that invented the Thorium Reactor." -That may be somewhat true, but its also irrelevant right now. Its the deep state supporting status que interests right now thats deliberately holding things back. We need another industrial revolution and another age of free market enterprise.
@DriveCarToBar
6 жыл бұрын
The free market isn't going to create nuclear power. It's too costly for the market. There is no incentive when cheaper options like fossil fuels exist. With no profit margin for decades, you're not going to get anyone to eat the first run costs. That's why government is needed to make it happen.
@smh9902
6 жыл бұрын
Wrong. Thorium is MUCH cheaper and right now investors are already lined up to build LFTR RIGHT NOW! The biggest cost & hindrance right now is the NRC won't let them build the reactors. Its too good, just like the vapor fuel systems that let fullsize trucks get over 100 MPG!
@DriveCarToBar
6 жыл бұрын
Br!an Delta V lining up to build them for who? LFTRs are still in the development phase and the bulk of the money for them is coming from governments.
@spearshaker7974
7 жыл бұрын
Thorium had the problem of being to effective.
@SilentRazor1uk
7 жыл бұрын
+Spear Shaker 'too' you meant. Considering the supposed language ability conferred by your username. ...one 'to' is regarding an object or place in relation someone or something, the other 'too' is typical a typically larger amount of something to do with someone or something;, you can remember which one to use with one of these little lines below. William went to shake his spear at audience within the Globe, it was too much for them. Many fell to the floor from laughing too hard.
@daviddreyer5817
6 жыл бұрын
Economics is based on the concept of scarcity. Thorium has the the problem of abundance.
@scottbros6368
7 жыл бұрын
I think it's great in theory but I've heard all the sales pitches for decades with the same fear that someone else will deliver it to market and leave us in the cold. China has been plowing brain power and resourses into this endeavor with no working reactor. Great pay for scientists with companies getting taxpayer funded grants with no reactors built and generating electricity. So where is this thorium reactor that's so easy to build and run. I'm all in for thorium but with so many decades come and gone with no reactor makes me wonder if it is possible at all.
@gordonmcdowell
7 жыл бұрын
"So many decades" ...when did you first hear about this? Thorium became a-thing when WIRED covered it in 2009. The majority of modern-day public (any political) awareness started AFTER Obama's was elected, and he had an 8-year term. I respect the guy immensely, but this was an opportunity he passed on. As I try make clear in this video, all MSR tech (which includes Th-MSR) is stalled in United States by unclear regulations and liquid-fuel specific regulation that make them more expensive to prototype. And that's on top of already challenging environment for any advanced reactor concept. Dr. Leslie Dewan spells it out (in this video you are commenting on) that investors won't pony up big reactor prototype bucks if there is regulatory uncertainty on top of extraordinary liquid-fuel licensing costs. So when President Donald Trump talks about revisiting nuclear regulations, that's a big deal. The house passed a bill specific to the problem of changing nuclear regulations so advanced reactors can be researched domestically. That all happened in 2017. And it happened because people like Dr. Leslie Dewan testified to congress (during the Obama administration) that Bill Gates reactor and their own TAP Reactor will not be built domestically BECAUSE of the regulatory environment... the Obama administration never addressed the problem, even though she gave her testimony during his administration. Here is a different video where more of Dr. Leslie Dewan's testimony is shown: kzitem.info/news/bejne/0Yp8ta5-rJSndHo
@scottbros6368
7 жыл бұрын
gordonmcdowell I had it superficially outlined to me in the early 70's before I was a teen. . For $7.50 back in the day. www.energyfromthorium.com/pdf/ORNL-3708.pdf . I think with the NET up and running we will see less of this loss of great idea's. Anyone that wants to build a thorium reactor will get my support and letters to Congress and the Whitehouse....for an exemption-variance from the regulations that prevent the build.
@darrellgrossfs96
4 жыл бұрын
Let's just simply say I think it's time for to take the mom salt thorium lifter reactor I want to see you turn it into a fusion core type design and that is the fusion core outer covering is from Fallout 4 I'd like to see if lifter could actually put be put in that kind of thing but instead of two battery type terminal connectors use the old CRT plug in order to have more signals go in and out of the containment if that's possible I can guarantee you could probably power a lot of space crafts with it and if you can come up with a better plug design that could actually do the job I'd suggest it but I say naked compact enough where you could probably put it into a household or a really small version that could actually power just if he see so you don't have to have your computer plugged up to a wall outlet this is definitely a challenge that I put it against you I want to see you pull it off because if you can that means robotics key walking two legged robots or whatever else you plan on doing but I want you to stick to the challenge!
@dosmastrify
7 жыл бұрын
this is very chopped up dude
@gordonmcdowell
7 жыл бұрын
There's a 6.5h version released in 2016 called "Thorium." which is slower paced and less edits-per-minute. kzitem.info/news/bejne/k6WBnIapb6t3poI
@Ehmbar
7 жыл бұрын
CONSPIRACY
@wakewind4129
7 жыл бұрын
Holy Jesus I'm early
@retoblubber
7 жыл бұрын
... cut, cut, cut... ADHD must be your thing!
@gordonmcdowell
7 жыл бұрын
Reto Fassbind there is a 6.5 hour version released in 2016 called "Thorium." which is slower paced.
@ronaldmcgovern9428
7 жыл бұрын
P.s. keep obama inthis loop
@jamesstaplesv1250
7 жыл бұрын
well, guess where my investment dollar is going, right fkn now!!!!
@gordonmcdowell
7 жыл бұрын
I don't think there's an easy mechanism for that. These are not publicly traded companies. And Thorium itself is too common to have any value... that's one of the advantages of it as a fuel source. Really this is something where everyone "gets rich" by raising our collective standard of living, by having America enable domestic development of advanced reactors to provide abundant reliable clean energy.
@jamesstaplesv1250
7 жыл бұрын
whether or not a company is public, it can still be invested in. any corporation has stock which can be purchased.
@StereoSpace
7 жыл бұрын
Terrible video editing. Very difficult to follow any sort of coherent idea.
@kramrle
7 жыл бұрын
Thorium the energy of the stupid.
@gordonmcdowell
7 жыл бұрын
You are sure leaving a lot of comments on my videos Martin.
@whykhr
7 жыл бұрын
Well you would be the resident expert on that subject, stupid that is.
@SilentRazor1uk
7 жыл бұрын
Indeed it would appear Martin is such as you say whykhr.
@Juvelqairth
6 жыл бұрын
Good luck for facing the adversity when comes to the hostile planets
@immrnoidall
7 жыл бұрын
they are not power plants.they are nuclear bombs plants.
@kokofan50
7 жыл бұрын
No, they aren't. That's just a ridicules claim.
@immrnoidall
7 жыл бұрын
right.good luck with your fantasy world.
@kokofan50
7 жыл бұрын
You're the one making unfounded claims that contradict physics.
@AmurTiger
7 жыл бұрын
Take a look at the history of India's nuclear weapon program. It didn't come from their PHWR commercial power reactors but from their CIRUS research reactor. Spoiler: Power plants have nothing to do with the production of nuclear weapons.
@immrnoidall
7 жыл бұрын
lol
@kingmiura8138
7 жыл бұрын
I am in favor of building a test reactor and it should be large enough to produce commercial power after testing to recoup costs.
@Theeslickness
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I enjoyed this video very much. I hate to make this political, but I seriously hope that if Trump can do at least one profound thing; please fund and spearhead Thorium reactors.
@GoDodgers1
5 жыл бұрын
Trump? He's far too ignorant. I wouldn't hire him on to clean my toilet, let alone expect he would understand physics.
@STSWB5SG1FAN
5 жыл бұрын
@@GoDodgers1 Someone should tell him the US will make a billion more dollars by marketing this technology (once we've mastered it) to other developing countries. Trump's in it just for the money after all.
@servant74
7 жыл бұрын
I was sold on the Thorium reactors when my Nuke Engr major room mate in college explained them to me. They made sense then and even more now (35 years later). -- The 'green' folks basically killed the commercial nuke programs around the nation, and what is left is aging. I would like to see new Thorium reactors put into place to replace, on-site, old power plants, first Nuke, then carbon/coal based to keep down the new infrastructure for distribution costs. We could just co-site them where the old plants are now, as a great head start. I have written my representatives in Washington till their staff is sick of hearing from me. So what can we do next? I see this as melding into the "Pickens Plan" that Boone Pickens has been touting for years, but we need a new standard bearer. Gates is saving the world with medicine. Koch brothers are making lots of $$. Musk is addressing transportation issues. We need a new 'Energy Savior' with enough clout, money, and political savvy to get Thorium and LIFTR reactor technology off top dead center in the US. Can we get the old school Uranium Cycle folks (GE, Westinghouse, whomever else is still in the business in the USA) to help and get the US in a net energy exporting realm (there is lots more money to be made here than building/refurbishing old reactors and spent fuel rods). What can we as 'little people' do to help get this all back on point with the powers that be? Thanks for listening to my rant. We need answers to these questions ... not now, but yesterday!
@khanrhy
7 жыл бұрын
servant74 I think we as proponents should support this research in Canada. Then hopefully, when demonstrated, it can challenge the status quo in the US. The video talked a little about this option.
@kennethferland5579
7 жыл бұрын
Much of the point of the whole video is that PWR simply is not safe or cost effective enough and the political motivation for creating them was to have a stealth weapons program under the cloak of civilian power, exactly what the early protest movements said. That nuclear power production sector was never commercially competitive with other sources and failed to provide cheap electricity. The low air pollution aspect of Nuclear power was really it's only selling point and got countries like France on board but now cheaper alternatives no one has any reason to advocate for PWR and many reason to be against it.
@mindstorm-yr9rf
7 жыл бұрын
servant74, I don't think you'll be able to get old school Uranium folks on board with this, as they are satisfied and making a living off of the status quo of nuclear energy. To try something new & radical would risk them loosing their career & entire way of life. It's like when EA releases new games that are, gameplay wise, replicas of what they have already released. So, what if we took an existing nuclear reactor, and replaced the water coolant system with salt? Would it be cost-effective? Would it be any safer? I think this would at least be a start.
@blackbirdpie217
7 жыл бұрын
We can thank Greenpeace and the Sierra club for global warming. Thanks guys, you put a halt to all nuclear research, thinking the light water reactor is the only technology possible? Wrong. There's a lot more to be learned and the brakes were put on. Big mistake. Now we are in an environmental pickle and we must move on now.
@jessedaly7847
7 жыл бұрын
servant74 to be fair the fossil fuels industry has a long history of astro turfing the anti nuclear environmental movement.
@GunDoctorHTown
7 жыл бұрын
One day I think there will be a monument like the Vietnam War Memorial with all of the names of the people that made this happen. This will be the change everybody has longed for, unlimited electrical power, unlimited clean water for drinking and irrigation, urban warehouse farming which will guarantee an end to famine, and finally put all the nails into the coffin of nuclear ignorance. Think about your grandparents witnessing the birth of air travel, automobiles, television & your parents witnessing the birth of the internet & social media, I think that has lead to this being possible. The fact that only 40 people may have read ORNL's reports in the 50's 60's & 70's explains why this time it will be different, because this time it won't be just some guy nobody listens to advocating for Thorium, by standing together we can make it happen!
@whykhr
7 жыл бұрын
The fossil fuel & bankster oligarchs will do everything and anything necessary, up to and including mass murder, to prevent that day from coming.
@billhart9832
7 жыл бұрын
The major impetus for the US finally moving ahead with this only will come when it's framed as a National Security issue of paramount importance because of likely Chinese Dominance. This runs concurrently with the current near monopoly China enjoys in rare-earth elements, which we gave them when we vacated the market in the late 1980's. This is the outline for the energy "Manhattan Project" needed for the country and for the planet!
@whykhr
7 жыл бұрын
Bill Hart, that's not how they do things anymore. South Korea has a highly successful indigenous Nuclear Power program, produces electricity cheaper than Coal, without the emissions, including highly successful NPP exports. So what do the Oligarchs do? Buy or blackmail the new Korean president and get him to shutdown Nuclear power in Korea, with the usual crap about "clean, renewable energy" which of course actually means petrodollar LNG imports from the Middle East. Just as they bought Hollande and Macron who were and are shutting down their highly successful nuclear program. And did the same to McGuinty in Ontario. It is a whole lot cheaper to buy or blackmail politicians then to actually compete fairly in the marketplace. They are now trying to takedown Russia/Putin and if you read Engdahl (Target China) they will try to do the same to China. And of course financing anti-nuclear activism in India, while promoting their petrodollar gas pipeline to India through Afghanistan. Thus the Afghanistan pipeline war. And their petrodollar gas pipeline through Syria to Europe, so that France can replace their nuclear power with gas/wind/solar. 90% gas, 10% wind/solar. Note how adamant Macron is now on expanding the Syrian pipeline war.
@urduib
7 жыл бұрын
This time it is different because China starts up their first Thorium reactor later this year. They have a massive program running. They are going after all the patents and mass production line. Only Oak Ridge Usa is building a test reactor. (China reactor is ofc also a test reactor)
@urduib
7 жыл бұрын
1 Iron mine can fuel the world as they said. Also China have 100.000 tons in open landfills. Thorium Reactors can be produced in the scales of a bus on wheels and be driven on roads. Or Towed in sealed ship sections (they also have video on that) But the coolest part is the over double temp it runs on will make it possible to produce many kinds of fuels on the fly. Thorium and solar will live side by side. None of them will destroy the other. We need multifaceted decentralized energy delivery sytem. Water/solar/thorium/bio
@DrayseSchneider
7 жыл бұрын
I'm not a big fan of Trump, but when he says things that are correct I have to support those moments. To be internally consistent AND perhaps encourage someone like Trump to make other good decisions. It doesn't stop me from criticizing Trump when I think he's wrong, despite what some others might say.
@apainintheaas
7 жыл бұрын
I hope Trump will keep his word with this and some other good things he said... I had hoped his actions would have been more sensical then what he has done up to this point.
@Reno-eb2lk
6 жыл бұрын
apainintheaas how about now?
@M0rmagil
4 жыл бұрын
No, no, no! Orange Man Bad! Who gave you permission to think for yourself! /sarc
@Hogger280
2 жыл бұрын
Missing Trump yet?
@giorgiocooper9023
2 жыл бұрын
I agree …. the 80/20 principle applies ….. Trump was (roughly) right 80 times out of 100 !
@NACAM42
7 жыл бұрын
I was not a fan of Trump but if he begins the nuclear revolution in earnest, he will go down as the greatest president in history. I hope he does.
@collapseofecosystemsandhum9532
7 жыл бұрын
You are very naive one.
@ecognitio9605
6 жыл бұрын
Trump is investing in "Clean Coal"
@thuddpucker11
6 жыл бұрын
This technology must be presented to President Trump as he a practical businessman can appreciate the value and importance of thorium molten salt reactors to America's future energy needs .
@davidbrittain7834
6 жыл бұрын
he won't he is a parasite of the fossil fuel industry
@MrShobar
6 жыл бұрын
Here's a list of tRump's "practical" business success stories: Trump Football Team - NJ Generals (failed 1985) Trump Board Games (two failed 1990, 2005) Trump Casino & Taj Mahal (cheated contractors $60 million, 1990 - failed 2014) Trump Plaza (busted for discrimination to please Mafia boss John Gotti, 1991 - failed 2014) Trump Tower (hired 200 illegal immigrants in 1980, found guilty of conspiring to avoid paying pension and welfare fund contributions in 1991) Four Bankruptcies (1991, 1992, 2004, 2009) Two Marriages (failed 1992, 1999) Trump Airline (failed 1992) Trump investigates casino development in Cuba - in violation of the US embargo (1998) Trump Video/Internet (failed 1998) Trump Ice (failed 2004) Trump International Golf Links, Aberdeen Scotland (2006, incomplete and losing millions) Trump Travel (failed 2007) Trump Mortgage (failed 2007) Trump Steaks (failed 2008) Trump Radio (failed 2008) Trump Magazine (failed 2009) Trump Mar-a-Largo (500 visas for foreign workers while denying Americans jobs, 2010) Trump University (unaccredited, failed 2011, investigated for fraud, settled for $25 million in 2017) Trump Vitamin (pyramid scheme, failed 2011) Trump Vodka (failed 2011) Trump Restaurant (failed 2012) Trump Foundation (investigated for fraud and self-dealing by NY AG, 2016) Trump Bay Street used Chinese EB-5 investment money while Trump was castigating China for having too much influence in the American economy (2016) An Ontario Canada appeals court reinstated a suit brought against Trump and associates by investors in a hotel-condo tower in Toronto’s financial district (Singh v. Trump, 2016) The National Labor Relations Board ruled that Trump’s Las Vegas hotel violated the law when it refused to bargain with a union representing workers there (2016)
@damiana1990
7 жыл бұрын
i love it, great work as always.
@kistuszek
7 жыл бұрын
Excellent work. You managed to compress all the message and details into order here.
@curofbadenoch4301
7 жыл бұрын
Hey, sweet. I'm glad it's only 33 minutes long. I mean, don't get me wrong, big fan of the 6.5 hour stuff, but I can't imagine too many people being patient enough to sit through nearly 7 hours of why they should put all their funding into/trust with their life some obscure could-be-metal could-be-salt who-really-knows 2 elements behind uranium. Also, if people want to get questions about MSR answered, they should ask about MSR, not thorium.
@kingmiura8138
5 жыл бұрын
If the Chinese are successful with developing a thorium reactor, I don't believe they will do any exporting because their own needs are so great.
@jleonard6815
3 жыл бұрын
PLEASE keep up the incredible work on this. This will change the world
@Piccodon
5 жыл бұрын
The cement production is a terawatt consuming industry that uses wonderful coal, and is a massive, and concentrated, producer of C02. That industry produces more CO2 that all trucks on the road, but is concentrated to a few locations. It would be interesting to see if it would make sense to locate a molten salt or metal reactor that could supply the energy needs of those plants, and also incorporate an "Air to fuel" cycle to recapture massive CO2 from the limestone. Molten salt temps may not be enough for the 1450*C needed, but a thermochemical process of 800*C to make H2 could perhaps be used to increase temp. Fast spectrum lead cooled reactors may also be a consideration. There are relatively few of these plants concentrated around areas with product demand and that of locations of raw material. Combining these, pun intended, hot-spots of energy consumption and CO2 emission seems like a winner.
@chiz79
6 жыл бұрын
I love this solution however, we must be careful not to hitch our wagon to the highly questionable anthropomorphic influence on global temperature which, as the models continue to significantly diverge from empirical measurement, will be revealed for what they are; massive boondoggles for the purpose of centralized command and control power structures beholden to no one. Spearheaded, ironically, by the fossil fuel "oil-igarchs" who, contrary to popular belief, could care less about oil and instead, are focused primarily on the power and control that harnessing energy production provides. Why do you think they are the largest funders of all the environmental movements? The politics and proposed economics of these organizations place all of the power squarely in their hands! We don't want such an excellent technology being associated with such a wretched cabal of hucksters do we? Don't believe a word of the above? Understandable, if your primary sources of information come from the MSM which, by the way, they own. Check these out before commenting and see if they do not change your perspective! kzitem.info/news/bejne/2omk0WGca4aZo3o kzitem.info/news/bejne/ka2itJmvcqZom4Y Thorium is our future :)!
@83NCO
5 жыл бұрын
Here before LFTR and MSR became commonplace. The last 10 mins or so with the update over the last few decades was incredible. Thank you for your content!
@gordonmcdowell
5 жыл бұрын
If you have the time to set up yet another social media account, I'd appreciate your support on Patreon the campaign is called /thorium/ and I'm collecting support yearly (~NOT~ monthly). Promise you won't get much private content, but you'll be kept updated. Asking $1/year for that. The friction helps filter out the riff-raff for the sake of a semi-private means of broadcasting updates.
@thetourist6567
4 жыл бұрын
why do we have to take care of nature if there is improvement but the government does not want it, I drive on my diezel anyway, and my waste just goes to landfill and I throw my oil in the sewer, pay environmental tax and get nothing in return! dam you should let them work for it, the more we pollute the faster they have to take action, and it is too late, who would it be if there was a solution but they do not?
@ogmius2001
7 жыл бұрын
keep it up gordon
@lavoltare6307
5 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately it boils down to big business losing money. Instead of looking after this amazing planet we destroy it due to ignorance and greed.
@alfoncio
7 жыл бұрын
Gordon needs to put this on Mitt Romney's laptop STAT!!!
@MrShobar
6 жыл бұрын
Like Mitt trusts the academic and engineering prowess of a "canadian videographer"?
@EarthMedia2009
7 жыл бұрын
This is the Future !!!
@jafling
6 жыл бұрын
Hey, this is capitalism which equals how can we make our rich friends money at any cost
@CUBETechie
4 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to built an compact powerplant in the size of a truck Container ?
@brandonb3279
6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you uploader. I would like to ask who made it? And also whether anyone can recommend any other good documentaries or channels with similarly engaging and informative content? Any suggestions appreciated!
@pauldwalker
7 жыл бұрын
Shocking that this technology was left to languish.
@brianthered
7 жыл бұрын
Great Vid thanks for posting! Dont mind if i share it x10000000000!
@wcthomas65
7 жыл бұрын
Great video. Makes my task easier when explaining this technology to people. Now, if only I could get our politicians to understand this technology.
@whykhr
7 жыл бұрын
More like if only we could get our politicians off of Big Oil's money train.
@albertrogers8537
7 жыл бұрын
The one thing overlooked in Kirk's presentation and a great many "thorium enthusiast" promotions is the fact that the reactor needs a fissile starter. The purest LFTR would provide fission-produced neutrons from fissile uranium alone, either U-233 or the U-235 of customary reactors. I'm not sure if Pu-239 can be used. But the thing is, that if you were to add sufficient pure U-233 or U-235 directly to thorium, Th-232, then either one of the Uranium isotopes, at 90% purity, is bomb material. Thorcon Power (look them up) proposes a reactor (MSR) charged with 80% thorium fluoride and uranium fluoride at just less than 20% enrichment, for the rest of the fuel content of the liquid. That would be just less than 4% fissile overall. They reckon that neutron capture by the U-238 and even the unwanted neutron capture rather than fission by the Pu-239 will not hinder the productivity.
@funshootin1
7 жыл бұрын
First 30 seconds I figured it's just retitled regurgitation. .. sure it's the same information but you pulled the best bullet points from a dozen or so long, sometimes boring videos and the order and tempo really work to convey the overall message. . Pretty awesome job of boiling it down to Thorium condensed . L p Vy y
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