It's always strange when you outgrow your heroes, either by outgrowing their artistic sensibilities, or by looking closer and realizing you're just more emotionally mature than them now. At once validating and disappointing. This video essay captured that feeling perfectly, as well as being a great dissection of Tim Burton and his limitations as a filmmaker. Thanks for posting!
@doggerlander
Жыл бұрын
Homestuck pfp in the wild
@bevs9995
4 ай бұрын
exactly what kind of movies did you expect tim burton to make --- real horror movies? That would show 'emotional maturity and evolvement' ?
@caseygurlen8450
Ай бұрын
Ew homestuck
@synth-wave_steve
17 күн бұрын
Oddly fitting with a homestuck pfp
@BrotherMikeCritic
Жыл бұрын
Bojack Horseman makes an excellent observation that people tend to stop growing as people once they receive enough love and adulation that they no longer feel like they need to improve. Whether this comes from being in a long term relationship or from becoming famous and loved by tons of fans, you tend to hit a point where you feel like you're loved for who you currently are, so why become someone else? Your observation that Burton's worldview seems to be "The world is not made for someone like me, but I have found a Burton-shaped niche where I can be who I am and be loved for it, so I don't care if the world stays the way it is" really resonates with that sentiment. Burton got into the industry at a pretty young age and figured out his brand therein very quickly, so there was probably never a sufficient challenge to his mindset that he ever had to address.
@amiefortman7220
Жыл бұрын
I think you honestly hit the nail right on the head--Burton knows that he can just stay The Weird Kid From Burbank for as long as he wants and that there will always be an audience for that. But you can't have a really well-rounded and inclusive view of the world if you're not willing to grow up and out of your own little bubble.
@brodstarpadpen6949
11 ай бұрын
My interpretation with Emily's character is her obsession with being a bride. Being loved by one person alone. I mean, she is definitely loved. The townspeople all love and respect her, they sing a whole song about her, they drop everything to organise her wedding, and the worm and spider sing a whole song trying to convince her that she's better than just one guy, but all she cares about is being loved by one person and doesn't really have any self love of her own. She died as a bride to be and her whole identity even in death is tied to fulfilling that role, to the point where she obsesses with the one guy who gets caught up in everything despite him very obviously not being interested. That's what I think she meant at the end by "you set me free". She learnt she doesn't have to be a bride, she doesn't have to be loved by one person and can just accept herself as she is. She's not just the "corpse bride", she can just be Emily Ot maybe that's what it *should've* been at least
@hailmuse
11 ай бұрын
agreed, it still sucks we never got that aha moment from her though. Like not even a knowing look that she reached her character conclusion. She just feels like shit when she realizes Victoria actually likes Victor then decides "alright, I'm out byeeeeeeee"
@user-sw3gv1hy2u
18 күн бұрын
ok, but still she does that and Victor do nothing, he dont change, which is critic against all burton's work. Even if the women grow, even if that happen, they still revolve the male protagonist, a guy that doesnt change
@PieLordCollin
Жыл бұрын
"He never got the cheerleader" is so true I never realized that about all of these films hoooly crap Another great essay from you hell yeah
@animationunlimited2958
4 ай бұрын
Actually a common trope of ghost stories is that the ghost gets his/her revenge on the person who killed them in the first place. So Emily being set free from the world of the death after her murderer dies is actually quite fitting.
@leroyjenkins1249
18 күн бұрын
Yep. That's also why she was so obsessed with "being a bride" -not even questioning Victor's "proposal". Ghosts who have unfinished buissness center themselves around it. A human? A human can move on. Go to therapy. Meet someone new, or take a break. Emily got both: A wedding (more or less), someone who truly loved her (platonically) and her revenge.
@hooplah6177
Жыл бұрын
I don't kno why i never put together that Burton always cast Depp because he was the "me but prettier" wish fulfillment choice, but man that totally recolours everything. The one that jumps to mind is that scene from Alice in Wonderland where the Hatter asks "have I gone mad" and gets a little quaint "yep but thats why you're perfect" head pat and a trophy. My eyes have been pried open with bbq tongs.
@nuclearcatbaby1131
11 ай бұрын
I think he was influenced a lot by Danny Elfman’s aesthetic as well. Danny is obsessed with death and skeletons oh and he’s pale, even for a ginger.
@redbluebae4397
8 күн бұрын
Y’all are such haters, he’s only human but I’m a INFP too soooo yeah
@KitCabaret
Жыл бұрын
"Growing doesn't wipe the hurt away, it just gives you more tools to deal with it." God, that line hit me so hard... I knew this was going to be a great analysis video but I didn't expect it to also speak so personally and honestly about the feeling of growing up as an outcast, about the reason why his works impacted us the way they did. I think Tim Burton's work was comforting because it was coddling, because it never challenged us to try and grow or find the strength within ourselves. In a way, I can also kind of understand the fear that Burton sadboys have of the outcasts who would accept them if just given the chance - in fact I kind of lived it, I spent so much of my life denying my own gender identity and felt almost afraid of the friends I had who embraced their own divergence, it was something about myself that I was scared of admitting. There's a sort of comfort in just assuming no one else would understand, without ever challenging that idea. Because growth is scary, but the alternative is placating.... That isn't the takeaway I expected, but I'm so glad it's what I got. This video is a masterwork and I hope it gets all the love it deserves, because it's a message that a lot of people deserve to hear
@jiado6893
7 ай бұрын
I surprised people don't bring up Charlie and the Chocolate Factory when doing deep dives into Burton's life and filmography. His version of Wonka feels like an autobiographical confession. He's a creative talent whose vision helped him become super famous and wealthy, but he's never gotten past his boyhood, and cut himself off from the rest of the world. Even his biggest fans, Charlie and his uncle, end up being stunned with how he can't relate to them. Charlie's arc in that film was seeing past the childhood icon's veneer, because Charlie is the one with the capacity to grow up.
@user-sw3gv1hy2u
18 күн бұрын
but charlie don't think things has to have a point, things can just be pretty and that's it, that's why he end up being the heir of wonka. The uncle and hundreds more were fired with no explanaition and zero payment, but he don't get mad bc of it, he just want to see the "wonder" of industrial candy and capitalism that have enslaved ppl. Wonka chose Charlie bc the kid have zero critical skill, he just want to see things as a silly pretty thing that gives u a nice feeling but nothing deeper. No wonder why they live in poverty even when working for the most important candy fabric and the center of the city, never wonder why wonka didn't help the workers to live better, why even being a fucking billionair wonka is still seen as a "good guy", etc. Wonka ends siting at the table of poor ppl and making them his "family" in place of taking them to his house to eat and give them a better house, etc. Charlie is gonna be a candy CEO and keep every the same. "Candy doesn't have a meaning, candy is candy". Burton just made pretty things for himself, devoid of real critic
@MillyKKitty
Жыл бұрын
Half-way through when you started descriping the women Tim writes paired up with all sadboys deserving love of these women, I thought of how some Evangelion fans think that's what Ren and Shinji are... And low and behold, you made that exact same comparison, where HE is that kind of Evangelion fan.
@ah-sh9dw
10 ай бұрын
I'm surprised people view emily and victor as a feasible couple. I always viewed corpse bride as less of a love story and more of a story about moving on. Not only was Emily dead but she seemed to love the idea of marriage more than she loved victor
@morgantrias3103
Жыл бұрын
The problem with Frankenweenie is the same as the problem with the new Tim Burton Wednesday. Oh this character is an outcast cos they are a goth. Then they go to a gothic school where everyone is a weirdo. Ah, and there they finally fit in? No. There they stll are an outcast. Oh, howcome? Oh because they're a shithead.
@elizabethk007
Жыл бұрын
I love the Evangelion references in the chapter titles
@taylor_ithink
Жыл бұрын
same
@seaangel1430
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, they pay off really good
@pagodrink
Жыл бұрын
I think you put the nail on the head when you said how Burton writes characters that are outcasts, but that also doesn't wanna be associated with other outcasts. I personally feel like this is also sadly a part of growing up and being in public schools, which is why some people can relate to this as well (The "I'm not like other kids, and hanging with teachers). I'm autistic and I went to a charter school for neurodivergent kids from about 6 grade to end of high school. Even when I was there, I didn't find myself relating to or growing close to any other students, mainly cause we didn't have similar interests or we didn't have good social behaviors (I was def an asshole most of the times, due to lack of knowing how to assert myself w/o being an asshole). This isn't to excuse this type of narrative from Burton, since as you said, he often insert the white lead as the only normal one. But it is fascinating to reflect on this, as I didn't have the tools I needed to make friends, even though I had the perfect environment to not be an outcast. Often times, watching this video I was thinking "Am I still the asshole like Burton? Am I too self absorbed even as an adult?" Which, honestly, I don't have an answer, I've def become more chill, but I feel like I'm not doing enough. That I'm isolating myself cause it's easy, because I feel like I don't have enough control in my life right now to change.
@alexandreturcotte6411
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I do feel like that too.
@dandereninja4750
Жыл бұрын
For me it’s always been a fear of rejection that prevents me from being more assertive in person. I’ll stand up for myself if needed but when it comes to my interests I don’t share them with others out of a fear of rejection. There could also be the fact I may have had developmental issues that could have been helped with psychological help that I didn’t receive. Not that I blame my parents since they had their hands full with my siblings.
@scootinkermie
11 ай бұрын
@@dandereninja4750I just find it more "convenient" to be "normal" it's kinda tragic but I hate feeling like a complete alien and that's compounded by the fact that I hate attention
@nuclearcatbaby1131
11 ай бұрын
As an autistic I often find other autistics to be the worst and the meanest kids out there.
@senior_sakuga
Жыл бұрын
We shall reclaim Jack immediately, but you blew my mind 5 times over with this and the word syrupy analysis of that boy Burton. Those Corpse Bride storyboards were fire tho. Tim is style over substance for sure, a glass cannon storyteller true, but at least it looks cool lmaoo. I mean, Keaton Batman is goated, edgier backstory notwithstanding. EDIT: good god that credits song is hitting omg! I need a link for that version of dreaming frfr!
At Miss Peregrine’s home for peculiar children Tim Burton also erased the fact that some characters were Jewish and even changed jakes pet name
@bevs9995
4 ай бұрын
was it relevant? What if Ranson Riggs just made the characters 'like that' to increase the likelihood of his book getting promoted. Basically a suck up; he tried to ride that gravy train. that isnt his own heritage by the way
@expunkstep7226
6 күн бұрын
@@bevs9995 I'd call it relevant if it's still in the text of a book that the movie is supposed to be based around more than just _being set during WWII._
@bevs9995
6 күн бұрын
@@expunkstep7226 yeah but we have enough movies on *that subject* and while the author may have used to tactics to get herself noticed and published but the editors; those movies actually LOSE money. One every year, and they all lose money
@princessjellyfish98
Жыл бұрын
the Evangelion framing device is very funny and thematically works great with the subject of the video, but "you are (not) good at writing women" in the rebuild movie title format hits especially hard and is especially funny--that and Welles' speech overlayed with EoE, incredible stuff
@tobiaslangly
Жыл бұрын
I think the biggest thing about Corpse Bride not clicking for me is its based off jewish folklore which i think is far more cool and gothic horror story than what this movie turned out to be. Guy took the jewish out of the jewish horror story. Edit: I just got to the part where you talked about the original story. Thank god someone else gets it. Wonderful video. I can not wait to see more.
@RankaZer0
Жыл бұрын
Im sorry is being Jewish vastly different than anything else
@nuclearcatbaby1131
11 ай бұрын
He hired a Jewish songwriter for it though, I think in fact he even researched Russian-Jewish folklore just to find something to fit Danny Elfman’s heritage for him to do.
@sylph8005
8 ай бұрын
@@RankaZer0 Quite a bit yeah
@mrcuccob6386
Жыл бұрын
As a person who's favorite movie still is The Nightmare Before Christmas and that was obsessed with Tim Burton as a kid this video really spoke to me, that last part about learning to love yourself in particular hit really hard. Thanks for this.
@cannonballking7
Жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic essay which deconstructs both the works of Tim Burton, along with the man himself and his history. It can be a tough pill to swallow, the realisation that you have outgrown something (or someone in this case), which use to hold massive value for you, but this tackles that concept in a very interesting way, along with bringing a unique perspective to the critical evaluation of his filmography. Keep up the amazing work, and have a lovely day.
@Gwen1661
Жыл бұрын
Burton was also an inspiring filmmaker for me during my childhood and teenage years, and a part of me can't fully let go of some of his filmmography because of how much it meant to me when I was younger. Alas, in many other aspects, I am also not sad to let him go. Buyt yes, let us all reclaim Jack Skellington for the internet.
@gwasgray9309
11 ай бұрын
Why should you? Just enjoy the films for what they are, don't get hung up on what messages some people get from it.
@teddybearkiller5271
13 күн бұрын
@@gwasgray9309Can't agree more. I'm still going to enjoy Tim's movies and I don't give a f what this chick or anyone else says. 😤
@RaccoonsTrashVault
Жыл бұрын
Here in the #SelickSquadBitch we love us some blue and green haired girls, sassy cats, funny demons, big bugs, and (hopefully) living shadows.... we choose to ignore the money in the corner. Loved this video essay so much that my autistic ass rewatched it 4 times back to back. Amazing work as always!
@nuclearcatbaby1131
11 ай бұрын
I hate Selick for kneecapping Danny Elfman’s voice acting career
@RaccoonsTrashVault
11 ай бұрын
What do you mean? He's still voiced characters like Bone Jangles. It was Disney who didn't want Danny to play Jack, let alone have him as the singing voice. Selick and Burton had to fight them to be allowed to keep him as the singing voice since the songs were written with his voice in mind. Don't trust everything you see in Movies That Made Us.
@nuclearcatbaby1131
11 ай бұрын
@@RaccoonsTrashVault Is it true Danny was mad at Tim for not fighting harder for him to be the speaking voice?
@RaccoonsTrashVault
11 ай бұрын
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 Considering that they work together even years later, i doubt it??? Disney is a company that'ts so imposible to bend the rules with that they have it in their contracts that whatever you draw and create while working under them, legally belongs to them. If they say no to a thing then there's very little a creator can do. So it's honestly impressive that Danny was still able to sing as Jack and have a few spoken lines.
@grantlewis-pb4lk
Жыл бұрын
Tim burton is that kid in school who think he a outside but everyone else want him to join them but he think he too cool for normal society
@loreleirieken1061
25 күн бұрын
Hey goob, cool binder! Wanna hang out after school? --- they all hated me
@Fairytaleenthusiat86
28 күн бұрын
This is honestly one of the best dissections of Tim Burton's body of work and how his aversion to diversify (in every sense of the word) has left his artistic voice and movies stagnate. Bravo! (Also, you managed to put into words why a movie like Corpse Bride left me cold in comparison to TNBC 😅).
@404RaeNotFound
11 ай бұрын
I feel like Corpse Bride is in a similar situation as The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Whenever anyone expresses disappointment that Quasimodo didn't end up with Esmerelda, fans are quick to snap back with a Watsonian explanation; Quasimodo idealized her too much, Phoebus saw her for who she truly was, etc. But no-one steps back to look at it from a Doylist perspective and asks WHY a disabled, unattractive protagonist was written not to get the girl in the first place, in an era where that was the norm, no matter how justified it's made in the plot. I'd argue a similar phenomenon happens in the Corpse Bride fandom, where fans will say Emily didn't end up with Victor because "He loved Victoria" and "He would've been miserable" but not question WHY those story decisions were made in the first place, why a monstrous woman can't end up with the hero (especially since, as you've pointed out, it's very easy for Burton's male characters to be loved for their faults). And for the record, I love both films.
@ah-sh9dw
10 ай бұрын
It's been 10 years since I watched them so I might be misremembering but the issue with emily and victor was that emily didnt love him. It was almost like a reverse manic pixie dream girl story. Emily thought she needed a husband to get closure so she latched on to victor but over the story she got that closure by coming to terms with her death and getting revenge. Once she had closure she left, victor and her were in different places so it wouldn't have worked out and she'd already got what she needed from him Quasimodo on the other hand did seem to love esmeralda, at least as much as you can love someone you've known for a weak. There was probably some level of idealization but no more than normal. In pretty much every disney movie the hero gets the girl so to have quasimodo be the one exception is pretty shitty, especially since she ended up with a guy who had such little screentime. If it was made by a different company I wouldn't mind so much but since it's Disney it just feels like the moral is that just because you're ugly and unlovable doesn't mean you can't convince your neighbors to stop throwing rotten fruit at you
@MoonLitChild
11 ай бұрын
"That is a climax happening at someone" breaks a lot of the problems with modern film making down as a whole, not just as a personal problem Burton has as a writer, and I'm stealing it.
@THATGuy5654
Жыл бұрын
You: "They're the exact. Same. Length!" You and me, in unison: "What the hell?!"
@georgemichaelis1664
Жыл бұрын
You know ur video essay is good when every comment is four lines long lol. This is very cool and a dope analysis.
@TMJW
Жыл бұрын
Oooh, this one went some places! 😏 There is something particularly painful about outgrowing Burton. His early stuff is catnip for weird kids, and for a very long time he was one of the only creators that seemed to get us. And then you grow up, and you’re still weird but you evolved and he… didn’t. And it’s sad and can leave you feeling a little adrift. But as was argued here we have other choices to fill that space at least. Or everything in your place is currently covered ‘Alice in Wonderland’ merch and you just don’t want to be saved
@millythompsonfromtrigun98anime
Жыл бұрын
This video made me cry. Good job, you’re one of the most inspiring artists to me on this platform, bless you.
@bobokitty123
Жыл бұрын
Somehow this is an hour long but felt so much shorter and was so hella engaging. Kind of sad there's not more.
@amiefortman7220
Жыл бұрын
I think the best (or worst, depending on your perspective) example of "any outcast who isn't a Tim Burton analogue doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt" comes from "Batman Returns". It's hard to argue that Keaton's Bruce Wayne is the most well-adjusted human being, and he's certainly been through his share of trauma that he deserves a chance to heal from. But he still has love--between Alfred, both Vicki Vale and Selina Kyle, and the general admiration of Gotham City as a whole--and the narrative itself treats him with empathy. Selina Kyle and Oswald Cobblepot, on the other hand? Selina's reward after having a mental breakdown when her sexist boss's psychological abuse finally tips over into physical abuse... is killing herself so Bruce can be happy. Oswald's reward after being shunned by *everybody*, including his own parents, for his physical appearance... is killing himself so Gotham will be better off without him. And before that, they aren't framed very flatteringly, with Selina being a pretty beat-for-beat "hysterical woman" and Oswald being a disgusting freak and antisemitic caricature. So the unintentional (God I hope) message seems to be "some people are just too damn weird for this world, and they're better off not having to live in it"... thanks for that, Tim.
@infinitesnowproductions
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for pointing this out because I did actually have to revise a line addressing exactly how Batman Returns handled this theme (and Mars Attacks to a slightly lesser extent) for brevity’s sake - more specifically how he frames Gotham as stupid for indiscriminately fawning over the Penguin’s front as an outcast trying to make something better out of his circumstances, even though it’s only framed that way because Tim is the DIRECTOR and knows the Penguin is lying. Like I’m sorry but is that not literally EXACTLY what you’ve been asking for this entire goddamn time
@dumbumbumbum8649
11 ай бұрын
This is one of the worst reads of a movie I’ve ever seen
@dagmartoons
Жыл бұрын
INCREDIBLY entertaining and well made video. There were multiple moments throughout watching this where I was just like "YES!! OH MY GOD YES!!" Particularly with that Corpse Bride/Urusei Yatsura comparison. I don't know how I never realized that until now 😆
@handyboy4178
Жыл бұрын
I can't stress enough how much the ammount of great jazz that goes on in the background adds to these videos they're like free feature lenght movies I don't deserve to see and I love it.
@Sammyandbobsdad
Жыл бұрын
Around 2008 I tried to create an April Fools prank that Burton was planning on doing a dark Burtonesque version of Gilligan’s Island, with Johnny Depp as Thurston Howell III, and Helena Bonham Carter as Lovey Howell. Unfortunately I lacked the connections to get it into the Trades.
@idontlikethis980
Жыл бұрын
Woke up tired. Had a tiring day. Get home tired. See a new video by one of my favorite channels! Today is a good day.
@goldengamer-b2z
Жыл бұрын
Im going to be honest im glad this channel is still going espically when that lupin the 3rd video were great
@GelatinSkeleton
Жыл бұрын
i loved this so much! it’s really thoughtful and incisive. the way you tackled the character arcs in corpse bride was so good - gave me a lot to think about with my own writing! i also really felt it when you were talking about your high school experiences - i didn’t go to a performing arts school but i did go to catholic school and there was a lot of expectation for girls and boys to perform gender in very specific ways. as a closeted trans guy who hadn’t quite cracked his egg **and** undiagnosed autistic and adhd, just neurodivergent and queer as all hell in an environment that was supportive of neither, i also latched onto tim burton pretty hard for similar reasons. (i hope that’s not being too weird or gross or personal in the comment - i guess i just hope it helps you feel seen the way you talking about your experiences helped me, in a small way.) really beautifully done essay, wonderful surprise to hear the oddity roadshow crew, and definitely looking forward to whatever your next project may be. 😊
@snakehours
Жыл бұрын
this video rang true in ways I hadn't expected. Although I never found myself drawn to Burton's work, seeing the amount of careful consideration you've scripted for this vid in regards to his stagnation of his personality and film career while reflecting on your personal growth is something I can empathize with. Also!! Thank you for making wonderful videos always.. they keep me sane while I work
@mightyquin6831
Жыл бұрын
this is a very good video. its kinda eye opening, and validates some opinions under the rug. my mother loves Tim Burton and I love superhero films, so when we watched the original batman movie he made, we were shockingly bored and disappointed, because batman and bruce Wayne don't feel like the main characters entirely. and we could live with it. gotta say, you put so much thought and time into this, it inspires me to think! 10/10
@StoryTeller796
9 ай бұрын
Honestly, I grew up with a variety of perspectives all around me, and what I didn't have I searched for and tried to understand. In fact, I grew up moving from niche culture to niche culture, from friend group to friend group, constantly making new acquaintances to new acquaintances and looking at as much stuff as I could. That being said, I do not know what to say about Tim Burton's small world and his regressive growth except that it honestly scares me more than anything else in the world, and I want to someday make something that details precisely why it scares me as much as it does. Maybe it's the fact that I could see myself, or that I am seeing myself, one bad day from slipping into his dark fantasy world, and after I've realized that countless times, I'm scared to leave it for one reason or another. I hope that when I make my 3 part film series with a game in the middle of it I can show everyone that the sooner you are done and ready to bury the past and move on to better things, the better for everyone and everything involved, especially yourself. The best that Tim Burton is capable of doing because he is not going to look back at his life and evaluate himself to move on and be a better person, is just retiring. Unfortunately, I get the feeling he will not stop and so he's nothing more than a zombie, a relic of a bygone dreamy era that never was and seems to never be. As C!Wilbur Soot once put it in the Dream SMP, "It was never meant to be." Actually, do you think that Burton's worldview rubbed off on Disney and other studios like them to create a sense of complacency in how studios like Marvel, DC, and Lucasfilms do their movies? Do you think that Tim Burton, in his "attempt to shake up the status quo" or carve out his own niche in the system, with his multitude of successes, accidentally created a toxic consumerist society within those studios and changed the entire mindset for those studios for the worst? I'm not saying that he caused it single-handedly though, I mean the bad times were going to come anyway whether or not he existed, I'm saying that he just grew the perfect environment to normalize the behavior of his archetype of characters and made people complacent with the status quo as long as it can be colored in a snazzy new coat of paint?
@the_pseudo_nim
Жыл бұрын
Okay... listen. The "Booooooo F**k off!" really got me. 🤣💀🤣💀😂💀🤣
@spearhead7777
Жыл бұрын
As someone who didn't grow up with Tim Burton, this is very interesting as an outsider looking in.
@tygerinthenight3255
Жыл бұрын
I think you fundamentally misunderstood the plot of Corpse Bride. Its not really Victor's story. Its Emily's story told through the lens of Victor. Its not about whether sadboy Victor gets his uncomplicated marriage to Victoria or just settles with Emily. Its about whether Emily will steal another's life and choices and happiness because hers had been stolen by past trauma. She had her life and her chance at love stolen from her by Lord Barkis. Then she decided to "wait for her true love to come set her free". When Victor accidentally marries her, she decides he is her reward for her past trauma, to the point where she is willing to kill him and disregard his choice (Victoria) and allow him to sacrifice his happiness for the sake of her own. At the end, she sees that she is just repeating her trauma upon another and realises that she is being the Lord Barkis of another's story. She stops him from making the sacrifice for her and prevents Lord Barkis from repeating the same trauma upon Victoria. If anything she is the sadGIRL of the story. Victor doesn't change much over the course of the story, because he is not the main character. Emily is.
@Katrina830
11 ай бұрын
This is a lot of how I was feeling towards her analysis of the corpse bride & also the difference in how I received the movies story. This movie taught me at a young age that sometimes ur love for another will not always be reciprocated and that doesn’t mean u should trap a person to make u happy (even if u think it will help u heal a past trauma). + even if Emily and victor did marry and he died the reality in the story would be that most likely, Victoria would end up being killed by lord barkus and all three of them would be in the after life together and then given the choice victor may just end up leaving Emily and then she would still feel unloved. Even tho as a kid I always preferred Emily to Victoria when u look at victor and Victoria they have more incommon, strict upbringings and shared interests that they often don’t get the chance to openly share with anyone (+apart from also being alive) they can relate to eachother more then Emily and he did. Victor never understood Emily and could never giver her the love she desired. She released this and knew that if she did marry him everyone would be unsatisfied & potentially more people then victor would die from the outcome. (I’m writing this pretty late so I hope this made sense)
@georqedubyakush6066
Жыл бұрын
12:36 So basically, Jack Skellington was Randy Marsh in the afterlife?
@AoiUsagiOtoko
Жыл бұрын
this is the absolute funniest way anyone could describe jack skellington because it's...disturbingly true
@numb3r5ev3n
Жыл бұрын
I had been a Burton fan since Batman was in theaters, and I think the point at which I realized I had burned out on Tim Burton was with Alice In Wonderland. I saw the trailer and was suddenly just so tired of his aesthetic (maybe because Hot Topic had basically packaged and sold it back to us goths all during the late 90s and the 2000s.) It was a long time before I could make myself watch that movie, and that was when it hit me that all of his films are about the Twee Quirky Outsider Finding Acceptance (and no longer being an outsider anymore.) I'm not sure if I've seen any of his films that were made since then. Like if you had told me as a teen that he would make an adaption of Dark Shadows and that I would actively avoid it, I'd have thought you were crazy - but I did. And hoo boy, I loved Beetlejuice as a tween, but it did not age well. I've rewatched Batman and Batman Returns more than any of his other films, and I think they're my favorite. (Batman Returns is my favorite Batman movie of all the Batman movies, actually - or it was until The Batman last year.) But I don't think I've seen a new Tim Burton film since 2013.
@dkozeljSLO
Жыл бұрын
Your writing is so incredible! Please keep this up. I wasn't even ever into Burton films but I watched this because of how great your Lupin videos were and I wasn't dissapointed. Thanks for these.
@MollyFox-gs3sl
Жыл бұрын
When you reached the Evangelion comparison I can’t believe I forgot I clicked on the video with the Neon Genesis Jack Skellington thumbnail
@Enshohma
Жыл бұрын
I know I'm doing the 'comment-before-you-watch' phopaw but I'm honestly excited to see your newest video here even if Tim Burton isn't an interest of mine... Though, I will admit, "Peewee's Big Adventure" is one of my all time favorites films ever made and arguably the director's best work though that may have more to do with an ensemble of talented minds before and affront of the camera. Watching the video now but please keep up the amazing work!
@The_Coolest_Sock
Жыл бұрын
can NOT wait to watch this with my friends!!
@The_Coolest_Sock
Жыл бұрын
Update: Finally got to watch this with my friends. We thought it had some novel and unique points and was very entertaining!
@Kittypuppymeow
Жыл бұрын
You know an analysis is good when it makes you analyze your own self and life choices. Bravo! Yay!
@onetitwndr
Жыл бұрын
Unhinged Jordan moments are always the best part of ISP video essay's
@orionjustmelted
Жыл бұрын
6:16 The Barry clip totally took me off guard!! 😂 I’d love to hear your thoughts on the show, actually, if you have any
@LiteralmenteFadul
Жыл бұрын
This channel is the gift that keeps on giving
@SongbirdAlom
11 ай бұрын
"Orson Welles: Kill him" made me spit my coffee. thank you for that. oh and thank you for being, like, the only other person who understands the plot of Phantom of the Opera. People who think its about a poor sad guy who didn't get the girl he "deserved" make me shudder.
@sophiatalksmusic3588
11 ай бұрын
As someone Obsessed with German Expressionist films (have seen "Caligari" 18 times!), one thing I dislike about Burton's use of the style is that he doesn't seem to acknowledge where Expressionism came from. The art movement was a response to a dying Romanticism, as empires fell apart around the turn of the 19th century and new political and cultural ideas began to arise (as every art movement is inseparable from its wider historical context). This all came to a head during and after WWI, where Europe was faced with heavy-hitting disillusionment when it came to its place in the world, as well as known "truths" about the nature of humanity, power, and social structures that were being called into question. Expressionism is the internal forced outward, and it comes as entire cultures were questioning how everything they knew was going to change after the tumult of the 1890s-1910s. Burton wants the aesthetics of Expressionism, but we don't see the roots. "Caligari," for instance, is not Expressionist solely because of its set design and costuming; it is Expressionist because its themes of abusive power structures, trauma, and psychological turmoil all echo sentiments largely felt after the war, and we see these themes pushed to the extreme within the plot and performances of the actors. It's Expressionist in the same way the Alban Berg opera "Wozzeck" is Expressionist. A couple wonky houses, stripy patterns, and big-eyed characters may echo the way Expressionism conveyed some of the ideas it aimed to, well, express, but without any purpose for those aesthetics beyond aesthetics alone, it just feels sort of... empty.
@geoffreyrichards6079
Ай бұрын
I took the expressionist style of “Caligari” to be more of a visual hint at the film’s ending, where the events of the story we were following are revealed to be the literal warped perception of a man whose sanity might not all be there.
@pestoanchovi1272
Жыл бұрын
Dropped everything to watch this which doesn’t mean that much because I wasnt doing anything but my god this was so good!! As usual!!!
@darien9487
Жыл бұрын
I wasn't actually planning on watching this, but here I am at the hour mark, pausing throughout the first forty minutes to think and on the edge of my seat for the other twenty. Ten out of ten, would make myself late for an appointment watching it again. edit: Does anybody know what was meant by 'discrimination is the language of those who fear things as they're being questioned'?
@kaly_ths_291
Жыл бұрын
Take Victor away, or minimize his part in order to focus on Emily and Victoria, and you have a potential story about two women in the Victorian England times, dealing with the concept of marriage, their roles in this institution, their own desires and search for autonomy and personal fulfillment, the meaning of beauty and ugliness and much more. Heck, you can even keep Barkis and roll with him if you gave him a more personal connection to Emily that had something leading back to her. Like him seeing women as trophies and setting beyond impossible standards of who is worth marrying him and if someone was to do something he would judge wrong, the punishments would be severe. Maybe Emily could be a very charismatic lady when she was alive and got too much attention from-not just men-but also people in general, overshadowing Barkis, who would resort to killing her out of envy. Or have a twisted case of Emily being the beauty trying to love the beast (Barkis) in the past (despite everyone warning her not to get involved with him), only to end up killed, and see herself turning into the "beast" who needed to find her own "beauty" (not just in another partner, but in her worth as well). Looking to gain money would also work as a villainous motive for Barkis, but going beyond that would put the focus back on Emily herself and explain why her self worth was so wounded. Victoria can have her arch that was already in the original film, but maybe have some more chemistry and plot-lines with Emily. So much potential, just with Victor out of the clay motion picture.
@sindelscat9336
11 ай бұрын
Or you could still have Victor and also give him good potential, you can uplift female leads, without having to downgrade the male lead, if you feel the need to do that then that proves that you can't exactly write a good male lead.
@weirdshrimpnumber9755
10 ай бұрын
@@sindelscat9336No s#it Sherlock. They were just saying how the movie could have been better if Victor was removed, not that that was the only option.
@sindelscat9336
10 ай бұрын
@@weirdshrimpnumber9755 he was listing multiple options, and I was willing to add an option to that list, there's no need for you to get emotionally upset over some comment, that I made a few months ago.
@emilystewart6175
10 ай бұрын
I absolutely love this idea. A film about Emily and Victoria would be so good. And I feel a lot and reevaluation of womens limited roles in society would be interesting to tackle. The problem is that would require Tim Burton to have empathy for anyone other than the generic white lead. (Also while I say womens roles in Victorian England maybe it would have been nice for the story to have kept its Jewish origins and focused on what it was like for a Jewish Woman to have lived in that time period. Just a thought)
@thesapphireone
20 күн бұрын
I think that your idea sounds more interesting than the film we actually got, and I wish there was either a fan-edit or fanfic about it. And if I could give my two cents on my rewrite of Corpse Bride, it would be that Victor doesn’t end up with neither Emily or Victoria, the reason being that one, outside of the fact that he only clearly saw Emily as a friend and keep the scene of her questioning their accidental marriage and if it’s really worth it, but two, Victoria, despite initially displaying interest in playing the piano that never goes anywhere or leads to an arc where she embraces that passion, was a flat, bland, one-dimensional character whose only role in the movie was “Girl who dreams of marriage her entire life just gets what she wants in the end”, that barely grows or changes as a character and has no chemistry with Victor, since they briefly interact before the wedding and he spends way too much time with Emily and the rest of the dead and less with her, after he leaves Emily, he suddenly reveals that he loves Victoria and wants to be with her after his SECOND scene with her, and he didn’t go through an epiphany about how she’s the only one who genuinely cares about him in the living world and isn’t embarrassed by his clumsy nature that would’ve given it more weight when he gets together with her. So my rewrite would be that Victoria’s want is to get hitched like in her childhood dream with Victor, who here would want to be a gardener and his arc of being more assertive and brave would be emphasised, in order keep her family financially secure, but also because she’s treated with kindness and acceptance by him, like in the film, but her need would be that she realises that she isn’t actually happy with her life being decided for her and she really wants to become a pianist since that was something her mother would always forbid her, and it gets worse when Barkis enters the picture and begins to display his narcissistic, cruel, and domineering personality that she would rebel angrily against a lot more than in canon and escapes him, and even for all his compassion, she would find out Victor doesn’t actually feel romantic love towards her, (Asexual or Aromantic viewers, rejoice!), and Victoria is only really in love with an idealised version of him and instead of the two just hooking up for the sake of a happy ending, here, after she helps Emily and Victor defeat Barkis, along with one of the dead characters giving a rich family heirloom to pay off her family’s financial problems, she’s later shown together with Emily both deciding not to get with Victor and after Emily goes to the afterlife, there’s an extra ending after, which shows that both their families have reconciled with their kids and have let them pursue their dreams, so Victoria can play the piano and Victor can be a gardener, with the two as best friends that enjoy their new lives and can finally make their own choices, that realise that you don’t always need romance to be happy or getting the girl/boy is the only way to find your own self-worth.
@VelkanKiador
Жыл бұрын
You know, despite this not being a Lupin the Third video I somehow managed to be surprised when I didn't hear you say "I am never talking about Lupin the third ever again... This is a lie" at the end. I am gonna need some time to getting adjusted to that one xD At least you're always there for me squarespace sponsorship TwT
@UberShyGuy
Жыл бұрын
it's really heartening to know that despite all the unresolved issues I have in my life, in my time on this earth, I have made exponentially more personal growth and become a better person than tim burton has had in twice as many years
@NihilisticWhim
Жыл бұрын
That Evangelion rant earned you a sub/bell ring/algorithm defiance. Looking forward to more from you!
@elaiynlie
Жыл бұрын
great video, I love how passionate you sound. 51:08 and onward is a really great section. also just want to say that this video inspires me to diverse the perspectives in my art, thanks for being educational !
@alejandrotti10
Жыл бұрын
Maybe I need to update my Tim Burton's catalogue, but from what I've gathered throughout almost all of his carreer, and by reflecting upon this video, is that only 5-to-6 characters nail to get along with their audience even after years (without taking in account Depp's acting skills). Like, Burton has one of the best Joker's out there, look how much time Beetlejuice actually was in his own movie, there's Emily who singlehandledly carried her own movie by a longshot, and there's the debate of if Jack and Sally are the only ones who can be belovedly remembered, or Oogie Boogie can fall upon that too. These characters (and maybe more if we scratch the barrel a little more) share three elements I consider the "outcasts" of his overall work. They embrace weirdness both in their own and in others, they enjoy what they are and what is around them, and they doesn't need to betray their morals to reach their director's tendencies. Joker, Oogie Boogie and Beetlejuice are a certain villain trope, but it doesn't make it less joyful to watch, while you can feel Jack and Sally enjoying their own story even with all the f*ck-ups they did (well, mainly Jack), and again, Emily was so alive for her own good that Burton and the producers had to vastly "nerf" her closing arc. In terms of Evangelion, you could say that these characters were the ending of the anime, with a bombastic "congratulations!" of the audience upon all these characters (and maybe the dog, becuase of course), while everything else this video had unfold is the grim ending of the movie. One couldn't exist within another, after all.
@VirtualMarmalade
Жыл бұрын
Hello from cohost! Someone shared it over there and I'm glad I clicked on it bc it's a good take and a fresh breakdown of Burton's work/legacy in a way I haven't seen before. Good work :)
@extrahistory8956
Жыл бұрын
Let's fucking go! Another great video from _Infinite Snow Productions._ It sucks that your content doesn't have much more views, cause your _Mystery of Mamo_ video rapidly turned you into one of my favorite content creators in the web.
@elenafriese891
Жыл бұрын
Ok, this is *really* good. I'm glad you've been getting into the video essay space, you approach these with a really commendable emotional honesty that helps strengthen your points. ... And I'm also starting to worry that Wednesday might turn out bad. Just- I assumed that it was shaping up for a story about a girl needing to get over her edgy "dancing completely alone with a tragic fate" stuff and actually engage with the world and people around her who are both going through their own stuff _and_ able to actually meaningfully help with her stuff. And I'm starting to suspect this is more on the actors than the writers realizing that they're giving the impression that the "I'm extremely counterculture" vibe feels like "I'm just an Addams who got hurt as a kid and is playing up my interests as a shield against getting hurt more."
@slsthewriter1299
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. Honestly, Jenna Ortega is breaking her back over Wednesday because you can tell how she actively is trying to go against all this. xD But to your point, that is essentially what the show is, because Wednesday sabotages herself above all else because she doesn't know how to talk to people, so there is still hope there. The show didn't escape all of it though. Unfortunately. Here's to hoping an future season learns to move on from the moping counterculture stuff.
@elenafriese891
Жыл бұрын
@@slsthewriter1299 I mean, the kid has someone on the "allowed to hug me" list, that's a good start. Upon further reflection it seems like a decent bit of the plot *does* hinge around her needing to stop pretending she's a solo act so far? Which is probably a good sign (Also I'm looking forward to seeing what else that actor gets involved in, because yeah, you are describing it pretty darned well. Solid subtle facial acting is a heck of a skill)
@slsthewriter1299
Жыл бұрын
@@elenafriese891 I definitely believe that this show gets a lot of shit it doesn't deserve, but also…does. xD It's a little awkward right now, but it is a first season, and I think people have gotten a little spoiled with shows that are as intended right off the bat, and have forgotten that shows tend to need some time to figure itself out. But yeah. I'm definitely looking forward to it, especially since I heard at some point that Ms Ortega will get more of a role in the writing? Dunno when or where I heard that, but eh. I think the writers did have a overhaul, but oh well.
@elenafriese891
11 ай бұрын
@@slsthewriter1299 it's definitely a thing where I'm not entirely down for all the writing choices, but the core vibes are strong
@YamiRenDM
Жыл бұрын
"because of all of the 'tism" whew, i felt that one sis
@SamChaneyProductions
Жыл бұрын
This was such a good video, it really puts to words how I feel about Burton's work even better that I ever could. I loved Nightmare so so much as a kid and tween and just felt sort of betrayed as everything he put out after it failed to affect me. I guess it was all of the other people who made that film that made it so good in my eyes
@nickl2854
Жыл бұрын
I truly think of Nightmare as a Danny Elfman film rather than a Burton film (even if that isn’t close to accurate)
@c.nelson3747
Жыл бұрын
@@nickl2854 It's a Henry Sellick film more than anything, but yeah, Danny Elfman is a lot of the draw for me too.
@pagodrink
Жыл бұрын
_"wake up babe, there's a new Infinite Snow Essay"_
@jiado6893
7 ай бұрын
30:30 If Emily has a self-imposed curse, and Victoria is a lot like Emily, doesn’t that mean Vicky also has a self-imposed curse that needs to be broken? *EDIT* 33:50 Oh cool you're bringing it up!
@bibo1840
Жыл бұрын
By God your essays are some of the most amazing stuff on youtube. As someone who watches hours upon hours of video essays yours really stand out. You will SURELY get big. I cant wait to be there where you finally get all the recognition you so so so deserve.
@NathanielBarlam
Жыл бұрын
For me, the Burton's career arc has a lot of parallels with his peers, specifically Robert Zemeckis. The early hits giving way to films that just feel like sloppy rehashes speaks to the decline that occurs when a director goes from cutting edge to mainstream success. I still love films by both directors, but have to admit that they aren't as deep or perfect as they seemed when I was younger.
@citonita2207
Жыл бұрын
Love this so much! My joyous moment was during the Corpse Bride segment. I also never thought that film was v good, even when i lived among the Burtonheads. It blows my mind to see how Tim's grace for weirdos only seems to apply to sadboys, not girls. A little too common an experience for weirdo girls to get rejected by the same weirdo boys who say they're lonely. It's a great observation too, how Jack is Sally's reward, without taking away from his character! The romantic appeal of that movie is how Jack transforms and Sally gets her happy ending. I have a big soft spot for Burton's romantic nature, but I'm wondering now if his portrayal of women in coprse bride is what left me feeling on the outside. What's with weirdo sadgirls having to disappear or go away for everyone to be happy, lol? It's like no matter what, the girl must be willing to sacrifice for the guy to the very end if she's to have any virtue. It'd be nice if the difficult girl (a jack figure) got a guy who was willing to cross the difficult divide for her no matter the cost to him. The sadness of that movie is how Victor was so reluctant to love her... I wanted to be mature about it, but it is validating to see how things never had to be so mature and wish-unfulfilling when the monster in question is... the boy Tim-proxy. 😔 Lastly the comment that pain doesn't need to go away for us to grow, that's super powerful and wise. I can't wait to share that with my family. It's relevant to our lives rn. I'm grateful for it!
@72631
Жыл бұрын
this is a really great video. it's super nuanced, but it doesn't pull any punches. you never disapoint :)
@BrutalKnight55
5 ай бұрын
I never expected a comparison between Shinji Ikari and Tim Burton to pop up in a KZitem video, but I admit that it's an interesting one
@liliththesolarexalted2206
Жыл бұрын
This was spectacular. I haven't really been able to enjoy a Burton movie to the same degree as I used to when I was a wee cringey teen (Oh God it hurts to think back to what I got up to back then), but this video really made things click together in a way I couldn't figure out on my own. It's not just that I grew up and changed, but that Burton didn't allow himself to grow up and it reflected in his art.
@kiwisugar281
Жыл бұрын
I just found this channel and it’s been nothing but a pleasant surprise. I can’t begin to get into it but the weird mental divorce a lot of fans have with Tim burton is so real and every point I’ve thought about it was wonderfully put in this video. Also great editing, it was pleasing and easy to follow 👍🏽
@pitaalfereti58
Жыл бұрын
Yo wake up! A new Infinite Snow video!
@camilletorres-kelly628
Жыл бұрын
I don't know if you're aware of this, but Lady Emily did a video essay about Nostalgia Critic's Demo Reel which also factors Evangelion into it. Aaand Nostalgia Critic is a self-proclaimed fanboy of Tim Burton. As a former fan of both Burton and Critic, I would love it if you did a crossover with Lady Emily in which the two of you dissect NC's Alice in Wonderland episode and analyze how Burton's self-centeredness might've stunted Critic's development. Amazing video BTW. 50:16-54:18 has been playing repeat in my head since my first viewing.
@korbit8323
Жыл бұрын
I don't even like Tim Burton, but your e-documentaries are good enough on their own to be interesting regardless of what you're talking about. MAJOR respect!!!!!
@kefka14
11 ай бұрын
This is gonna sound like the most hipster ass thing ever, but I started liking Nightmare less than a year after it came out. I was ridiculed for it relentlessly for years, only to get into middle school and early high school and see this massive ass emergence in people obssessed with it, then I proudly dawned my Nightmare gear and was made fun of for being a "poser". Nice.
@tomhato5523
Жыл бұрын
Best KZitem video I’ve seen in a long time
@NateIsLame
Жыл бұрын
so good. so so so so good. i've had a weird kooky offput feeling from tim burton films entering adulthood, but they all existed as weird abstracts and "vibes" in my heart. you gave those abstracts a rich vocabulary, mountains of context, and sense in structure. you are a fantastic writer. i loved this.
@EnbyNomad
Жыл бұрын
This video speaks to me deeply
@ryancarless7921
Жыл бұрын
An awesome video about Tim Burton, love the homage to Evangelion as well. I think for me Tim is controversial but there are some films I enjoy just not any recent films
@lydiafayre9806
Жыл бұрын
I want "I'm starting to think you don't even want a big titty goth girthfriend, *Tim*!" on a t-shirt.
@doodle7342
5 күн бұрын
23:27 about Big Fish. Not to defend Burton but as someone who did Big Fish as a musical, part of the point is whenever Edward tells these stories they seem almost fantastical so it would make sense for Sandra’s fiancé (his name is escaping me) to be comically bad. But also I’m pretty sure it’s based off of a book too. Then again, this is a reoccurring pattern with Burton so I wouldn’t be surprised if it was just a happy coincidence
@CatalinaAquarium
22 күн бұрын
You have a fun, conversational tone and i like your editing, im glad i found another good youtuber to help me get through this slog of a workday!
@littlebitaver
11 ай бұрын
As a former teen goth, you've completely hit the nail on the head of why I always found 'Corpse Bride' kind of "meh" in comparison to 'Nightmare'. 💀 Great video, really want to see more from you in the future!
@3oclockcereal
Жыл бұрын
A wonderfully engaging and thoughtful analysis. Top notch work once again. You did a fantastic job putting into words a feeling I’ve had for a long time, so thank you for that. Excited to see what you do next!
@nickl2854
Жыл бұрын
Super excited to delve into this one!
@nuclearcatbaby1131
11 ай бұрын
I wish Danny Elfman could have gotten his own operettas that he wrote his own scripts for made. He only got so far as to record the songs before Disney pulled the plug, look up “Little Demons” and “The World of Jimmy Callicut”.
@LH13
Жыл бұрын
58 minutes in and I just realized what the thumbnail is a reference to. Excuse me while I go be emo in the corner for my brain buffering that long.
@SuperShirikibros13
Ай бұрын
Jack Skellington is not only the Pumpkin King. He's also the goofy goober king, king of the goofy, silly guys, a true goofy skeletons. He's also built like a stickman :)
@jamesshipley9164
17 күн бұрын
Woah, this is rapidly becoming one of my favorite channels. Another knockout video, thanks for making these! I grew up adoring Peewee's Big Adventure, Batman, Beetlejuice, etc as a kid in the early 90s but when Nightmare Before Christmas came out it was instantly my favorite animated movie for a good few years. It also got me super into Oingo Boingo later and that was a fun rabbit hole in itself. Check em out. I don't recall really correlating the director or actors or anything though at the time, and only really took notice of the name Tim Burton when Sleepy Hollow came out and it clicked that I'd loved a lot of his films to that point. And I definitely had no idea the kind of huge gothy emo Hot Topic fanbase (no offense!) he had until highschool in the mid-2000s seeing tons of Nightmare Before Christmas stuff again. Knowing me, I probably had a childish "hey that's MY movie reaction" to it all but we can share haha, it's all good. These days I'm glad my kids love these too, I sure don't mind rewatching them over other stuff they might pick. Never did get into his later stuff though. Keep the Alice In Wonderland/Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Burton, I want more Sleepy Hollow and Large Marge.
@leslieaxtell1397
Жыл бұрын
I love your videos, This is the second time I've watched this and I've watched the others a few times each, you make me laugh and consider things I never thought before and I enjoy hearing your voice. I look forward to seeing your next video and hearing the wonderful and intuitive thoughts you have.
@pooplenepe59
Жыл бұрын
The end credits theme is so so pretty
@BiLightspeedGirl
Жыл бұрын
Amazing work! While I can't defend Burton utterly,I am sympathetic to a degree. There's been a sea change is our cultural idea of rebellion. He was a rebel,for his time. The idea has transformed,been rewritten completely. I'm a wheelchair trans girl,but I'll be called conservative someday. I imagine that world will be pretty cool though. Space catfolk and such. When one helps change the world,the inevitable price is that everything is changed,even your place within it. Burton needed to accept his new context. But the bell will toll for me.
@blythetaylor4063
Жыл бұрын
This is such a beautiful video. I just wanted to say, even if you aren’t as widely successful as Tim Burton, your video has touched the hearts and minds of many people, you are talented and smart and what you have to say is important, and you are taking the initiative to teach yourself how to create- and create- beautiful videos. You’re doing so much. Thanks for being here
@khimeraQ
Жыл бұрын
For me Tim Burton was a form of aesthetic. It was something that folks really wanted in the 90s and 2000s and for all of his blustering he gave everyone what they wanted for the age back then, and now we have the children of that work making their own now. That said, at some point he should've stopped. I think about how Tarantino has his fixation on 10 films before he's done, and Tim Burton had his hits, and it probably should've stopped around that point.
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