Another important point: All pointy parts of the sword should be rounded or ground to be safe. I got four stitches from an arming sword crossguard!
@scholagladiatoria
10 жыл бұрын
Yes, good 'point'. Most commercially made feders have rounded quillons, so I tend to forget that many regular blunt swords don't.
@Dhomazhir
10 жыл бұрын
IIRC some years ago there was a point sparring tourney in harness in the eastern US. One fella was wearing a 13th cen kit & had a blunted blade go up his short sleeved gambeseon and into his armpit. It wen through the outer edge of his lat muscle and out the back. He didn't even notice till the marshal stopped the fight due to the blood flowing out his sleeve. Turns out he was fine, blade was inline with the muscle fiber & didn't hit any nerves or blood vessels. Wonder if it was a blade like the first you showed that did it.
@harjutapa
8 жыл бұрын
Tips on tips, a few points on points... I know, my sharp wit can be a bit too edgy for some.
@Fiddlevlad
7 жыл бұрын
Patriotic Realist The point you made didn't strike me as being particularly sharp.
@historicaldelving5426
3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the .303 cartridges I have lying around my home haha
@SMChurchill
10 жыл бұрын
Agree totally with you on this scholagladiatoria.
@Alf763
10 жыл бұрын
totally agree with the first point, had some close calls personally, even in re-enacting i've had a rounded point get jammed in my gambeson, luckily i was wearing a lower layer
@crazyscotsman9327
7 жыл бұрын
The club I'm apart of has a rule where we put rubber tips on the end of our blades and as we get our tips from Castille Armory they also have a washer in the center to help stop penetration.
@parrotlander
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for clarifying this! I've often noted that reenactment swords are always available on KoA, and I've often wondered how good they'd be for sparring.
@DanPFS
10 жыл бұрын
Archery blunts work quite well too, although they can still be chewed through the side (I also don't know where to get them myself). I've been using leather lately, which is not ideal but does the job in less thrust-centric styles. Not so easy to get bullet casings here, but I'd be interested to try it. It would be really nice if everyone made swords with rolled tips, though.
@joefrayling9263
5 жыл бұрын
Can confirm about these rounded tips I do dark age reenactment and I have a scar on my lower jaw where I was stabbed by a GLANCING blow from a sword even though they are blunt and I mean really blunt like a spoon a sharper with force applied even with pulled blows and even though it was a glance off my shield it was still more than sharp enough to cut me to the bone in my jaw
@benjaminbreeg6214
10 жыл бұрын
Most of the problems with blunt swords is that they need to be treated like live steel instead of a practice tool. When people swing them willy nilly like they would a synthetic sword injuries happen.
@Pyrobaconstudios
7 жыл бұрын
admittedly not as much of an issue with thinner swords like a rapier(provided you ofcourse have a blunt on the tip as is considered standard throughout most of HEMA and the SCA) but it starts getting REALLY scary with stuff like longswords(heck, even SYNTHETIC long swords have given me quite a beating!)
@dustinpowell5981
5 жыл бұрын
I mean...its a combat sport, not a crafting hobby...
@GermanSwordMaster
10 жыл бұрын
Gotta visit your fightcamp at some point ! Maybe next year :)
@PXCharon
7 жыл бұрын
On our Darkwoods, we mandate a washer inserted in to the Archer's blunt to prevent that sort of blowout.
@abnunga
10 жыл бұрын
Rolled looks prettier too :)
@Scuzzlebutt142
10 жыл бұрын
I have seen the bullet over the tip of a Darkwood blade fragment when it took a solid hit, so its not a perfect solution, but I've fenced people who use that with their Darkwoods and it works pretty well. Rubber tips work fine as long as they're inspected before use and replaced when start to split or develop cracks, it's when people don't look after they're equipment or check it before use is when people get injured, from personal experience.
@scholagladiatoria
10 жыл бұрын
Ideally, Darkwood and everyone else would just forge-roll their tips... It solves all the problems in one go!
@tgjaedan
10 жыл бұрын
Matt, been loving your videos. Just found them and they are quite fascinating. I've always had an interest in sword martial arts but I've never gotten over that hump of watching some videos and going to some SCA events/tournaments I've seen around here but I'm really starting to itch for something physical to get into. I may be blind but I haven't seen any vids that you have done specifically for the noob thinking about getting into HEMA. Do you have a vid like that or can you recommend some resources. I am across the pond here in the US.
@hermannkateri2120
10 жыл бұрын
I think I am going to stick to videos on weaponry for now because any videos based on politics or history is followed up by a flame war in the comment section.
@abnunga
10 жыл бұрын
No you're wrong! ;)
@LaughingOwlKiller
10 жыл бұрын
you won't get away from that even on weaponry. Matt's channel for the most part is the best one by far in terms of not alot of arguments, but You will always get the ignorant people who were taught very bad info and cling to it.
@Mtonazzi
9 жыл бұрын
Seeing what you mean, when I started the whole reenacting here there was no HEMA groups, just a couple nascent groups who were basicalle friends who jumped in and a few "lone rogues" like me. Without normatives, I asked a couple seasoned reenacters from Spain and they told me their regularions asked for rounded 3mm edges on the blades and the tips being no less than 1,6mm (still, thrusting is mostly forbidden there, so most hits are done by cutting). Of course, swords end up being way heavier than a really accurate replica, but we minimize the risk of accidental piercings or cuts.
@alaudaelark9568
10 жыл бұрын
Hi, do you think you can make a video to introduce people to HEMA from the start? Like what equipments to buy, where to find a worthy trainer, etc...
@scholagladiatoria
10 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's a big topic, but I'll have a think about it.
@alaudaelark9568
10 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the reply. A general guideline is fine I think. We can do our own research based on your guidelines.
@MarceloResegue
10 жыл бұрын
It's a big and very very interesting topic. Me and my wife would like to start, but we don't know how. I don't think there is a trainer near us (we live in Brazil). Would it be good to practice sport fencing? (I couldn't even find a sport fencing trainer in our town, but there are a few in São Paulo -- our town is about 300km from São Paulo) Is there a workshop / intensive training that we could attend to during our vacations? Is it worth? How to prepare for such workshop (equipment, exercises, etc)? What can we possibly learn online, reading books, etc? Could we practice without a trainer? What would we need for that? How to buy our first swords? What kind of sword: replica, nylon, wood, etc? ..... (a million questions later) .... So, to make it short, we need a guide to start with HEMA. Do you think you could make a video to help us?
@MarceloResegue
10 жыл бұрын
BTW, I think your Fighting Camp is for those who already practice. Am I right? Or do you have activities for beginners (like, "never saw a sword except in museums" type of beginner)?
@dizzt19
10 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria My general problem is that where are live the approach is usually less professional - not to say they were bad at fencing, just that the environment wasn't good, no protection, forced to train with a staff first and learn how to stop my blows... basically poor man's protection x)
@dextrodemon
10 жыл бұрын
indeed, i have a tai chi sword, for doing tai chi, it's really really floppy and has one of those tips as you described, i thought thrusting it wouldn't cut anything, as it's not even really a weapon, so i thrust it into a towel hanging on the washing line, just messing around, and it went right through, easy as you like. bit scary.
@TheCaptainsAntics
10 жыл бұрын
It certainly looks better in my opinion.
@justsomeguy3931
5 жыл бұрын
Spent casings as safety tips on sparring swords - sweet! I wonder what would happen if the primers were left live?
@dizzt19
10 жыл бұрын
Now that's a sexy blade :)
9 жыл бұрын
Someone I know, who is in a French HEMA club (probably running it in fact now since he was really into it and a reference in the subject) had his life threatened by a rounded point : it went through and made internal damage.
@ForgottenFirearm
10 жыл бұрын
Quick question(s): was the "dark ages" rounded point used primarily because of its robust nature? Would a fine point just have been completely impractical due to material limitations? You've mentioned before that weapon damage isn't usually considered anywhere near as important as the user's survival in an encounter. I would think a fine point would grant immediate short-term benefits you'd want in combat, but I could be way off. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
@evildonald742
10 жыл бұрын
On swords with the nailhead type tip like the Hanwei, are the swords the same length as a normal rapier or are they a bit shorter? (I expect there's no fixed prescribed length, but to expected proportions) I would think that if the sword were a little shorter than average, just an inch or two, that it would compensate for the mass at the end, weight wise. Sort of like if you took a sharp tip, heated it, and hammered it down. It would be the same amount of steel in a different shape. Or does that change the balance of the sword appreciably?
@DolcettoHunter
10 жыл бұрын
That first sword has seen a lot of use...
@scholagladiatoria
10 жыл бұрын
It has.. the damage was done by a student who I unfortunately loaned the sword for one training session!
@PlatinumPanda
10 жыл бұрын
I've noticed you touch your swords a good amount during videos, do you clean the steel afterwards?
@jeremyknop5378
4 жыл бұрын
Quick question, that covers the tip but what about the difference between reenactment edge thickness vs HEMA tournament edge thickness. Is there a distinct difference between the two?
@rasnac
10 жыл бұрын
What about more heavily curved cut-oriented sabers? They have a potential for thrusting too so tip protection is necessery. But wouldn't a rounded tip distort draw cuts?
@scholagladiatoria
10 жыл бұрын
A rolled tip doesn't - that's another reason why we prefer them.
@sky4eyes
10 жыл бұрын
if you have bit sheet metal background it is not hard to change a normal tip to a rolled tip
@henryfox13
10 жыл бұрын
For the past at least 10 years that the SCA has been using steel weapons for its "heavy rapier" and it has mandated rubber or leather tips over the steel. As part of the inspection before going out to play these tips are inspected for wear and are replaced if they are showing such. The expectation is that each combatant would check their own equipment and make sure it is in good repair. I insist that all of my students, both SCA and not, have some sort of covering over the steel on their weapons regardless of the shape of the tip behind it. I have found that this decreases the chance of injury due to a larger surface area on the tip, and also that a properly inspected tip assists in this. Done properly, these tips do not affect the performance of the weapon.
@Ficzzho
10 жыл бұрын
What's your thought on the Albion Liechtenauer in this sense. I was thinking about getting one but am rethinking it now. Do you think the tip on that is not rounded enough?
@scholagladiatoria
10 жыл бұрын
It's a good sword, but yes the tip has the problematic rounded end that requires further covering. If you are paying that much money and still having to add a safety tip to the sword, then you may as well get a sword made with a rolled tip from the start. Someone like Peter Regenyei or Marco Danelli can do this.
@Ficzzho
10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the insight. I think I'm going to get a custom Regenyei after all. =)
@juanjosefreijedo774
10 жыл бұрын
He is right, katzbalgers used to have round point and they were used by the lanskenet mercenaies
@panpiper
8 жыл бұрын
I much prefer the SCA approach, using rattan swords. They have a similar weight but are vastly more blunt with zero chance of penetration. If for some reason the rattan actually breaks (never saw that happen), it breaks clean with no jagged points. With those rattan swords and the armor requirements to prevent blunt injury, the risk of injury is very minimal indeed (bruises don't count ). This allows combat to be very free form with minimal rules.
@ChamorruWarrior
8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but fighting with rattan sticks is a lot different than fighting with edged swords. If you wanna gear up and smack the shit out of each other do SCA. But if you wanna learn how real swords were historically used you gotta have the edge work, point work and grappling. Most the hits in the SCA combined with the armor they're wearing would not even hurt anyone.
@panpiper
8 жыл бұрын
+ChamorruWarrior Imagine a world in which all martial arts knowledge was lost including boxing and wrestling. There were no human beings living with any connection or lineage to the old styles. The only thing that has survived are a few books like, "The illustrated guide to mastering Karate in 12 easy steps" and "Dim Mak Death Touch, learn the secret art of the Ninja!" In that world there is a society of people who study and practice what they find in those books. There is also a different society of people numbering in the tens of thousands who practice 'fight club'. They get together weekly, put on protective gear and proceed to free fight with one another. The veterans teach the newcomers and slowly they learn what works and what does not. They do this for fifty years, sharing amongst the tens of thousands to create a style anew. Which of those two groups of people do you think will have a better idea of how to fight? Which will more closely resemble the original martial arts? SCA fighters do strike with edges, they do thrust if they've equipped their swords to do so. They do not however grapple. I recall an instance (way) back when I was involved with the SCA when two renaissance fair fighter types heard about the SCA and wanted to play. They were full of bluster about how well they would do because of how practiced they were with their authentic technique. They showed up to a fighter practice very confident. Then they saw a couple of us fight. Their faces went white. They left hurriedly exclaiming, "You people are violent!"
@ChamorruWarrior
8 жыл бұрын
Peter Cohen Except HEMA practitioners do full contact sparring with actual edged weapons AND learn from historical sources. SCA does a lot of things like "wraps" and stuff that make no sense with an edged weapons. They don't really learn to fight with edged weapons, they learn to smack eachother with sticks really hard without getting hit. A skill in itself that may overlap real swordplay but not exactly. If a fully armored SCA guy fought a HEMA guy, both using a longsword and wearing armor the HEMA guy would probably win because he knows how people actually dealt with armor using grappling, halfswording, pointwork etc. All things that are not taught or practiced in the SCA (or at least not done in competition) Now, IF the SCA people used real weapons and killed each other for real in armor and the victors taught the newer fighters. THEN I'd say they would come up with their own ways to make things work and they would end up very good at them. But they don't do that, they don't learn from people who did that they use rattan sticks and get really good at smacking each other without getting smacked back under a very specific ruleset.
@laskey84
8 жыл бұрын
+Peter Cohen Mr. ChamorruWarrior is correct, it truly is a black and white subject. I love the SCA I truly do (nothing like showing up in full garb with a keg of home brew and a vile of LSD and parting with some random belly dancer, if you cant get laid in the SCA then you cant get laid anyway...it goes something like that) and I enjoy the sporting aspect of the combat, but the rattan weapon simulators and the rule sets keep it from being Historical or accurate in the least, it is as simple as that. Is it bad ass and are the fighters tough? it is and many are, but its very much a game (SCA sword and board sums allot of it up). A good rule to go with is that all of edge weapons and techniques transfer over to impact, but not all of impact transfers over to edge.
@ChamorruWarrior
7 жыл бұрын
***** The good old fashioned, very realistic and traditional "wrap" technique? haha
@Khellendros_
10 жыл бұрын
What's your opinion on Blackfencer's and Rawling's synthetic swords for sparring and tournaments?
@scholagladiatoria
10 жыл бұрын
We use the Knight Shop/Rawlings synthetics for beginners - in fact we were one of the groups that developed the prototypes. They are really useful as beginner tools, but I think that at a certain level you need to switch to steel to advance. The nylons are quite safe if the correct equipment is worn, but of course they will always have their limitations in the bind and in their general floppiness.
@intensitydigital
9 жыл бұрын
so if you bought a regular sword and blunted it, ould you use it in HEMA? I'm very new to this whole thing and really want to get into the sport but am not sure on what swords can be used. The other big problem for me is finding a HEMA club? dojo? arena? in North Florida/South Alabama
@KnightedDawn
9 жыл бұрын
Absolutely not. You need a sword made for HEMA. There are a few clubs in your area: hemaalliance.com/?page_id=686
@intensitydigital
9 жыл бұрын
***** Thanks
@jpf338
10 жыл бұрын
how you do a rolled tip in a bigger sword, like viking sword type? any suggestion for safety whit that kind of weapon?
@EVILBARBARIANIMPALER
10 жыл бұрын
the rolling of the tip is done during the manufacture as far as i know.. i would personaly not recomend reforging it unless you know how to do it, and even then, your doing it as your own.. but, look at the points on peter regenyei swords, and perhaps join the scholia gladiatoria forum, as you may get a good deal of help..
@Bluebuthappy182
10 жыл бұрын
Hi just to let you know it's still not a perfect solution. I had an old FIE fencing sabre with an end like that snap right at the tip. It retained a little bit of the end too so af first glance it looked ok but on closer examination you could see it literally had a sharp jagged point on it. So just to say get your fencers and judges to check everything just in case
@swdfsdft
10 жыл бұрын
What Rapier trainers do you prefer? Are there any wooden wasters of any quality that will simulate a rapier?
@scholagladiatoria
10 жыл бұрын
For the second question - no, though wooden rapier wasters did exist historically (for economic reasons). I have never seen a wooden rapier simulator that is any good.For rapiers I recommend Darkwood in the USA and Marco Danelli in the UK. If you are on a tight budget then Hanwei are okay, but you'll want to upgrade from a Hanwei if you are regularly training rapier.
@swdfsdft
10 жыл бұрын
Alright. Thank you very much!
@nikemozack7269
7 жыл бұрын
We use a 10 cents size points
@randybowman
7 жыл бұрын
I know this is an old video, but I'm just getting interested in this stuff. Couldn't you just hit the end of the old one with a hammer until it flattens out some? Or is that a stupid idea?
@xiezicong
6 жыл бұрын
Cold hardening steel changes the molecular structure. It gets more brittle and increases the likelihood of breaking. Not recommended without heating, and heating is not recommended unless you know what you're doing.
@Alva_Lombax
10 жыл бұрын
I have a question, and I hate to be the guy that has a ramdom stupid question, what the fencing in the Olympic and the fencing in the videos here on sholagladiatoria's channel ? and is there a better term that should be used ?
@scholagladiatoria
10 жыл бұрын
The term "fencing" means using any weapon for offence and defence. In old Italian the term is 'scherma' or 'scrimia', which gives us the word 'skirmish' in English.
@Alva_Lombax
10 жыл бұрын
I see, also is there a better tecnical term I should use of what I see in your channel ? about the sword classes
@GunFunZS
9 жыл бұрын
hDARCK14 Hema (Historical European Martial Arts) might be the term you are seeking. More useful training substitutes for longswords are generally known as federschwert, or feders, and for sabers, gymnasium sabers. 'Sport fencing' is the term for the game of electric tag with car antennae that is used by the Olympians.
@Verdunveteran
10 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the Cold Steel synthetic sparring swords?
@scholagladiatoria
10 жыл бұрын
I think they are horrible! Like sword-shaped cricket bats.
@Verdunveteran
10 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria Seems that they are very good for beating someone up but as a sparring tool they seem to stiff and hard.
@JL-nb1yc
3 жыл бұрын
I have one. Not bad for a costume, but the balance is terrible. I have a Regenyei now!
@claemiller
8 жыл бұрын
why not on the flat put a weld on it then dip it in liquid rubber
@ADPRadio
10 жыл бұрын
How do you feel about Polypropylene practice swords, They weigh about two pounds which isn't too far off from an actual sword. Are they useless or okay for their price?
@TheEpicDartfish
8 жыл бұрын
+T3hCr0w Their weight is really off balance and they could do some serious damage to a person. But it's better than nothing. Me and my friends just use wooden swords.
@ChamorruWarrior
8 жыл бұрын
Those swords can hit VERY hard as they are weighted like a plastic club (extremely blade heavy) the cold steel poly swords are pretty cheap however the amount of protection required to even use them safely would balance that out. Cold steel's promo videos for their poly swords show people using them to shatter cement bricks and stuff lol They're dangerous, weighted completely wrong, have an annoying block thing between the hilt and the guard that gets in the way of your hand. They're just not very good. But their buckler is pretty good!
@LarsSeprest
10 жыл бұрын
This is used on Olympic fencing sabers. The only hazard is the thinner rolled tip gaining an edge since attacks will often land on solid saber guards and deform the tip. It can be sanded down though.
@MrKylemu1000
8 жыл бұрын
+Scholagladiatoria Can I have the first sword?
@magos_sockbert
8 жыл бұрын
If the rubber tip fails, surely that's the owner's fault for not taking care of their weapon and inspecting it for faults, same as if there are burrs along the blade. We inspect the tips before every practice; I've rejected a few for beginning to split, but I've never seen one fail in combat.
@magos_sockbert
8 жыл бұрын
I have, however, seen multiple uncovered Regenyei style tips fail after they get smacked one too many times by another sword from below.
@madichelp0
8 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter if it's their fault or not, now you got a person stabbed and everyone suffers from it.
@magos_sockbert
8 жыл бұрын
You can inspect a rubber tip for punch through, you can't (usually) inspect a rolled tip for signs that it's about to fly off.
@xcelva
10 жыл бұрын
how thick is the steel at the rounded point ?
@scholagladiatoria
10 жыл бұрын
On what?
@xcelva
10 жыл бұрын
the first reenactment styled sword and does the steel thickness ( like the ones i use wich have a 3mm thick rounded edge ) have any impact on the issues you adress in this video
@scholagladiatoria
10 жыл бұрын
xcelva It is also about 3 to 4mm and no, a point like that, with that thickness, will still easily penetrate a person if thrust with force.
@xcelva
10 жыл бұрын
that was what i was looking to confirm.. thank you
@Baker_7498
10 жыл бұрын
***** Indeed - the point on some bayonets is shaped like a flathead screwdriver and they are designed solely for thrusting through people.
@EMM-dd1vs
7 жыл бұрын
I am surprised putting a cartridge case on a sword tip doesn't constitute a rifle in the UK.
@UnbeltedSundew
10 жыл бұрын
Yeah that point isn't any sharper than shrapnel. Perfectly safe.
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