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@DavidFox
Жыл бұрын
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@duncanramsay9262
Жыл бұрын
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Жыл бұрын
Your channel is more entertaining than Amazon’s billion dollar show.
@onemadhungrynomad
Жыл бұрын
Tom wins the battle, and not with some traditional use of force, he simply brings life with him to the battle. Sauron grabs Tom and in victory pulls him close, Top puts an acorn inside sauron's helmet, Tom makes the acorn grow inside sauron's armor, and in a moment sauron is trapped forever inside a tree. fight over. no great show of violence, just life eternal winning against the upstart.
@johanabigasova6770
Жыл бұрын
@@onemadhungrynomad great idea
@TheDJMeyer85
Жыл бұрын
Tom would just be dancing and singing with Sauron unable to catch him. Sauron, exhausted, falls to his knees. Goldberry sneaks up behind him and knifes him. Tom had no idea he was even in a fight
@Syncuno
Жыл бұрын
Perfection 👌🏻
@bricknolty5478
Жыл бұрын
So, like a dolphin vs a shark?
@calebklingerman7902
Жыл бұрын
I can’t picture Golberry knifing anybody. How about this: Tom leads Sauron to the banks of the Withywindle, where a sudden drowsiness descends upon the dark lord’s mind. Then, much like Melkor under Luthein’s spell, he topples to the ground with a crash. A gap opens in the ancient, gnarled willow nearby, and the roots draw him in. The gap shuts with a snap, and Bombadil skips away merrily to pick some water-lilies.
@paultenerelli655
Жыл бұрын
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@muscadineman45pritchett82
Жыл бұрын
Perfect
@archercromwell1571
Жыл бұрын
I think Tom is old enough to have seen the rise and fall of both Melkor and Sauron once already. If born of the Music of Creation he is aware of the Eru's final act and it's outcome and therefore has little concern over the tribulations of those who must play their roles in the game of Fate.
@mordechai-
Жыл бұрын
What was Eru's final act? I don't remember that from my (admittedly skimpy) reading of The Silmarilan.
@archercromwell1571
Жыл бұрын
That Melkor would Escape from the doors of Darkness. A final battle would ensue and Turin would finally avenge his family and kill the dark lord.
@mordechai-
Жыл бұрын
@@archercromwell1571 OK, thanks!
@KC-rt4hp
Жыл бұрын
@@mordechai- Frankly, I believe that TB is either an enigma or he is the embodiment of the secret fire: set at the heart of Middle Earth.
@pavelsarneki354
Жыл бұрын
He was there already so...🤓😎✌🏻
@stempo1
Жыл бұрын
If it wasn't for Tom, The fellowship would never have happened, The journey would have ended before it began. Tom saved the 4 hobbits and also equipped them with the weapons they would need. That to me indicates he was aware of his part and did what was required to achieve the end result. Tom exists out of time and can see what the future holds.
@noelstarchild
7 ай бұрын
Certainly Bombadils choice of weapons given to Merry and Pippin seems to have played an exact part to first cripple and lead to the destruction of the Witch King at the battle of Pelenor fields. So I am leaning your way to agree.
@jasonfuentz4282
4 ай бұрын
@@noelstarchild nope
@noelstarchild
4 ай бұрын
@@jasonfuentz4282 (?) Nope because, or just nope. I thought all the trolls have gone at last.
@jasonfuentz4282
4 ай бұрын
@@noelstarchild just nope
@noelstarchild
4 ай бұрын
@@jasonfuentz4282 Thank you for your contribution.
@paulrhome6164
Жыл бұрын
A fight between Sauron and Tom seems like an echo of Morgoth vs. Ungoliant, the dark twin of Tom thematically, a being without explanation or defined status. While her fate is often assumed to be an unending consumption ending in herself, Tom is consumed by nothing. I think Sauron would attempt to fight him but find that all efforts were in vain. He would never be able to force a final conflict, and the land Tom chose to hold would forever remain a pocket of purity and reminder to Sauron of his limits. Like Varda placing the Sickle above Utumno to always remind Melkor she and the Valar were there opposing him.
@TheOfficialNerdyChannel
Жыл бұрын
That's a really interesting idea! I like the comparison between Ungoliant and Tom Bombadil!
@archam777
Жыл бұрын
Agree, next video "Ungoliant versus Tom Bombadil"!!
@StephenNotmanlogosinliterature
Жыл бұрын
Well said, Mr. Rhome.
@wildfire160
Жыл бұрын
Tom is obviously older than Sauron and likely of a higher order of creation than the Maia and i totally disagree with the videos conclusion...i don't think any fight would happen between them because even with the ring Sauron would have no power over him of course Tom wouldn't fight because that's his nature but i also believe that ultimately Sauron would lose because he cant beat Tom and because of HIS(Sauron)nature he must beat him...
@welshlout3400
Жыл бұрын
@@wildfire160 Older as in having the oldest physical existence of any creature, yes. But the Ainur (including Sauron) existed as spirits prior to the creation of Arda and physical reality as a whole. Sauron didn’t get his physical manifestation until after he helped the heavenly host bring the very concept of ‘being’ into being, but that’s just the point. Tom might be the soul of Arda and might be comparable or even greater in strength to Manwe himself, but he is surely a product of the great music like the Elves and Ents and as such can’t be older than a member of the Ainur. In terms of orders of creation, that’s definitely up for debate. The comparison with Ungoliant is one I’ve liked. It’s known that Melkor’s discord manifested many dark creatures in the Void, so perhaps those loyal to Eru’s original music were responsible for weaving Tom into creation by how fiercely they sang in reprisal.
@UberMiguel603
Жыл бұрын
The depiction of Tom as Jack Black is by far my favorite.
@Greye13
Жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh, yes. Jack Black would make an excellent Tom Bombadil.
@crunchbuttsteak8741
Жыл бұрын
If there is ever a Live action Tom Bombadil there are exactly two people who can portray him. One is Jack Black, the other is Snoop Dog
@benjin0311
Жыл бұрын
Im glad its not just me who saw Jack Black in that particuar artwork at 18:04 of Tom Bombadil 😄
@atmawx
Жыл бұрын
18:03 Jack Black smile right here
@heinzfpv4787
Жыл бұрын
i came to the comment section to make this exact comment!🤟
@SilverHawked
Жыл бұрын
Tom would probably forget he was in a fight and bounce away singing about trees and rabbits. Then Sauron would knife him in the back
@TheBrokenSword
Жыл бұрын
That does sound quite Tom-like! Although he would probably keep dodging by skipping 😂
@SilverHawked
Жыл бұрын
@@TheBrokenSword lol true story
@infinitetsukuyomi2763
Жыл бұрын
The knife would curve with the warping of space around Tom and would never reach him.
@Cloudrunner62
Жыл бұрын
Tom is permanently in Ultra Instinct.
@RyanGr33n
Жыл бұрын
If you’ve ever listened to the audio-book LOTR you will want to knife Tom in the back too. Most. Annoying. Character. Ever.
@Thasgonna
Жыл бұрын
The real question of the elves discussing Bombadil's power is do they really know what he's capable of, or are they merely speculating? I think the most telling part is that he really wouldn't care enough about it to do anything.
@chamuuemura5314
Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I’d never thought of that but it makes sense. We assume that a Maia such as Gandalf or immortals such as Elrond know more about Tom than we do, but perhaps not enough. Perhaps Tom’s abilities are to Gandalf what Gandalf’s are to Frodo making TB’s abilities being out of the council’s realm of consciousness.
@michaelnancyamsden7410
Жыл бұрын
Perhaps he'd absorb the evil and turn it into laughter and song. Sauron would vaporize??
@jdlech
Жыл бұрын
Not until he, himself, is directly affected. Then it would be a titanic battle. But who would win? Between Tom with zero assistance and Sauron with all his allies and vassals? In the end, even Tom cannot be in all places at once. He can only preserve that which is within his presence.
@reddytoplay9188
Жыл бұрын
@@jdlech Yes but remember that Tom is always at one place.
@caseynash9729
Жыл бұрын
I would theorize that if Tom was a spirit in physical form like Ungoliant he could go toe-to-toe with Sauron as Ungoliant did with Melkor.
@TheOfficialNerdyChannel
Жыл бұрын
Facts!
@tuorofgondolin8235
Жыл бұрын
Ungoliant's power grew enormously after she consumed the light of the Two Trees as well as the vats of liquid light that existed around the base of the Trees. It wasn't until after that point that Morgoth began to be afraid of her.
@far0oky0u25
Жыл бұрын
Another thing to add is Melkor was HEAVILY weakend having spread most of his power across the vast lands and array of entitiys so he wasn't even half strength.
@iainmc9859
Жыл бұрын
Tom is the spirit of nature, the Green Man, or as he is often called in the English Midlands 'The Lad in the Lane'. He simply negates the industrial might of Sauron. Nature will prevail .... beyond the Age on Man. He was there at The Big Bang of Tolkien's cosmology.
@Marcus-ki1en
Жыл бұрын
I have always thought of him as Eru personified. The ring has no hold on him because he has everything he could want. He is perfectly satisfied
@tohaason
Жыл бұрын
He was apparently around before anything else, so I was thinking he's a sliver of Eru (not Eru himself, in full), left there as a way for Eru to observe/be part of his creation. As such he may not be that much of an offensive power, but he's probably impossible to attack.
@luckyowl6432
Жыл бұрын
The author has said that there is not a personification of Eru that we meet... But in my own head canon I see Tom as an avatar or projection or something of Eru. It just feels right 😁
@taelorpickel2830
Жыл бұрын
No. This was already disproven in the texts. Eru is not physically present in Arda.
@jamescheddar4896
Жыл бұрын
@@luckyowl6432 He's a holy hermit. Eru ultimately doesn't have a horse in the race so that's the explanation for his neutrality.
@katherinegraham3803
7 ай бұрын
I think Tom is the personification of Arda itself - specifically, he is Arda uncorrupted by Melkor. So while he is not Eru himself, he is the embodiment of Eru's vision for Creation. As such, he must reflect Eru's will to some extent.
@captainmaim
Жыл бұрын
Sauron begins with a stomping snarling approach and Bombadil, floating like a butterfly, dances in and out like dappled sunshine through the trees on a breezy day. Sauron roars in anger and Tom mockingly sings in falsetto, proving that there is no note or theme outside the song of Elendil. Sauron swings and Bombadil bounces away, never in the place you saw him last, a moment later he's touching Sauron on the back with a stick, then ducking the swing and rolling away like a tumbleweed. Sauron is looking old and tired, he has no power to harm Tom, he drops the mace and grabs Bombadil with both hands, but Tom just kisses him on the forehead! Sauron reels back like he's been struck, but he can't seem to let go of Tom, the blue coat is just too spectacular to release! Tom seems to follow Sauron's step back, but then it's obvious, TOM IS LEADING THE DANCE! Sauron flops like a rag doll in Tom's mad dance, but his feet keep the time quite nicely, like those massive armored greaves weigh nothing at all! The song swells and drifts, the dance whirls and bounces, the grass and the birds and the dappled sunlight all bouncing in time! ...and then it's over, shockingly quiet. Sauron does a ludicrous walk-of-shame with his boots in one hand, limping ever-so-slightly away from Tom's beaming smile. The army of orcs and monsters are quiet, not knowing how to react to the silliest thing they've ever seen. Sauron slinks over the horizon, muttering to himself, "Fuck that guy and his stupid yellow boots..."
@denissavgir2881
Жыл бұрын
That was pretty good
@captainmaim
Жыл бұрын
@@denissavgir2881 thank you!
@scottscarafile4370
Жыл бұрын
Somewhat crude, but damn funny!
@rafaelgustavo7786
Жыл бұрын
"Could that power be defied by Bombadil alone? I think not. I think that in the end, if all else is conquered, Bombadil will fall, Last as he was First; and then Night will come.’ ‘I know little of Iarwain save the name,’ said Galdor; ‘but Glorfindel, I think, is right. Power to defy our Enemy is not in him, unless such power is in the earth itself. And yet we see that Sauron can torture and destroy the very hills."
@dmartin9565
Жыл бұрын
The key question then is if that power is within the earth itself. I'd generally say not to a degree that could stop Sauron. However, I do consider the head from a beheaded statue of a king of old that is crowned by flowers as it lay on the ground being noted by Sam as an act of defiance against Sauron to be important when thinking about Tom. I think there are things that exist that may have been able to resist Sauron even if he recovered the one ring. These things might be on the edge of Sauron's empire, but his empire probably would not be 100% total even had won the War of the Ring (or a 100% victory would have taken a very long time to achieve).
@eschelar
Жыл бұрын
Don't forget this is spoken from the point of view of elves. Who may not understand much of the true might of the Maia and Vala. Certainly not of an eccentric being as Tom. This is probably a literary excuse for keeping Tom out of the story more than an accurate commentary on his capability.
@hm5142
Жыл бұрын
@@eschelar Yes, It would have been a very short book If Tom took care of Sauron then and there, so I agree.
@ClaytonBigsby93
Жыл бұрын
Yeah except that quote offers nothing but to highlight the speculative shortsightedness of the elves when it comes to pondering all things that are above them. If the elves are staking their chips on the side of Sauron, then most likely it would be Tom taking the W.
@Mandolatron
Жыл бұрын
I don't think it would be possible to eliminate all good on Middle-earth anymore than it would to eliminate all bad. The worst it would get would be a tiny patch of land that Tom Bombadil would somehow maintain as a golden fiefdom. Sauron vetching and grinding his teeth over the fact that he cannot dominate completely everything.
@QBG
Жыл бұрын
My head cannon is that Tom Bombadil is a "systemic anomaly" in the Music of the Ainur, a la Neo in The Matrix: In the Ainulindale, when Eru Illuvatar gave the Ainur a vision of what their music might create, they took great joy in it and wished it _to be._ Bombadil is the manifestation of that joy and that wish, a harmonic overtone created unintentionally and _before_ the Ainur descended into Arda from the Timeless Halls and the Children of Eru were awakened. Because he is not a "sung" part of the Music, the One Ring has no power over him, and because he was a byproduct of the Ainur's joy in creating, he spreads that joy and emboldens their creation.
@syzygyygyzys5856
Жыл бұрын
I’m thinking there could be a stand alone movie of the hobbits entering the old forest up to Tom escorting them to the boundary of his land. On another note, one of those images of Tom certainly had Jack Black’s eye sparkle and grin
@jeremiahshine
Жыл бұрын
I saw Jack Black, too! He'd be a good Tom.
@arderon5
4 ай бұрын
maybe fan made movie?
@tomaparo424
Жыл бұрын
I think the issue wasn't that Tom Bombadil wasn't strong enough to challenge Sauron, but that he was not interested in leaving his self-imposed boundaries. Tom was the master of his own lands. The council believed that he would be conquered last. To me this implied Tom was stronger. He was dismissed as a possible guardian of the ring due to a perceived irresponsible nature.
@CorePathway
9 ай бұрын
Tom isn’t irresponsible, he’s disinterested. And what is there to conquer with Tom? He keeps to himself and his extended garden.
@paulwerline6249
Жыл бұрын
I think it's possible that Tom could very well be a literary representation of Tolkien himself. Maybe not an exact representation of who Tolkien was but a projection of what Tolkien wished to be.
@TheBravesfan30
Жыл бұрын
I would disagree. Tolkein was obsessed with pipe smoking with beer. While it's a small detail I would think he would write that into Tom's character. I personally think he's some sort of Valar or equal to in power seeing how everything reacts to his singing.
@sid2112
Жыл бұрын
I think he's the voice of Eru.
@hughesyism
Жыл бұрын
There a bits of Tolkien in every character, more in Tom than most. The power of storytelling and song creation was certainly something identified with.
@whynottalklikeapirat
Жыл бұрын
That would be allegory …
@tjhall1000
Жыл бұрын
its not a "i think" you didnt think that lol. that has literally been a fan theory for like 60 years
@dangates5095
Жыл бұрын
I always loved the Tom B. segment & his response to the ring. He didn't even care about the power, greed & evil. The original hippy.
@juliehickra609
Жыл бұрын
Bombadil, hands down Sauron's magic has already been shown to be useless against him when he held the ring.
@taelorpickel2830
Жыл бұрын
This was in one context. Are Bilbo and Frodo able to resist Sauron's presence and raw power just because they can resist the Ring? No. Sauron had already shown himself to be a more formidable power than Tom. Tom was immune to the Ring's effects, but this has little barring to an actual fight between demiurgic beings. Of which Tom has shown to be not a demiurgic being while Sauron has.
@michaelsorensen7567
Жыл бұрын
@@taelorpickel2830Bilbo and Frodo *resist* Sauron, Tom is described as the ring "having NO power over him", which isn't quite the same as "having power but it being resisted*
@danelynch7171
Жыл бұрын
So they basically cancel each other out... What do you think about a raw fist fight between the two? No magic. Not armies. Just throwing down, playground rules...
@TheOfficialNerdyChannel
Жыл бұрын
His chorus says no one has caught him because his songs are stronger and his feet are faster. Therefore, if Sauron attacked Tom, I think he would be able to defend himself long enough to escape to a different, more sheltered part of Middle Earth. If there were no longer any uncorrupted lands, Tom Bombadil would possibly die because his power is from the earth, but he probably would escape across the sea to Valinor. He couldn't defeat Sauron, but I don't think Sauron could defeat him.
@seanbutler2291
Жыл бұрын
It's been gone over and theorized. In the book they even discussed Tom bombadil taking the ring. When it comes to power sauron cannot beat Tom bombadil by himself. It's more of sending unending amount of minions until his power is spent is how it would really go. Sauron doesn't have to beat bombadil quickly, he just has to beat him.
@temporarilyUnknown
Жыл бұрын
Based on that chorus… Tom very well may be a physical manifestation of Eru himself. His songs are better, he is the master. The first to arrive. The ring not affecting him… maybe he is Eru embodied so he may enjoy his creation.
@TheOfficialNerdyChannel
Жыл бұрын
@@temporarilyUnknown Yeah I've talked to people who hold to that theory. It's definitely an interesting idea.
@taelorpickel2830
Жыл бұрын
@@seanbutler2291 So Sauron can't beat Tom himself but his minions can? Makes total sense. Just because Tom is not affected by the Ring doesn't give him a pedastal over Sauron, since Sauron has far more abilities than just corruption.
@TheOfficialNerdyChannel
Жыл бұрын
@@taelorpickel2830 You're right.
@Camelotsmoon
11 ай бұрын
8:36 16:00 I think the best theory of what Tom is, is that he represents the song Eru sung itself. He represents the nature of things, and he doesnt understand the battle between light and dark... Yet his power is arguably greater than the istary, and the ring doesn't have an effect on him (like it would say on Gandalf, who was petrified of even touching it). He was there in the beginning before anyone else, he is fatherless and also i think Tolkien said Eru doesn't have a physical incarnation. He is the song itself. It's why he would be simultaneously the best and worst person to be the ring bearer... He could easily throw it into mount doom and never become corrupt by the ring, yet it would be impossible to get him to the mountain because he simply doesn't care or can't comprehend the situation.
@elizabethcarson5624
Жыл бұрын
I always thought of Tom Bombadil as a physical representation of Middle Earth itself.
@TheOfficialNerdyChannel
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, he's the spirit of nature in Middle Earth. Sauron was trying to corrupt and destroy Middle Earth, which is why if the Fellowship was unable to destroy the ring, it would ultimately come down to Sauron vs Tom.
@Prometheus4096
Жыл бұрын
It is like Tom Bombardil is a creature from a parallel world, not a product of Eru Iluvatar's creation. And just in Middle Earth as a guest to observe.
@mithrandir1313
Жыл бұрын
IMHO, the evil of Sauron focused on Tom Bombadil would be like ping pong balls thrown at a pillow....
@Alucard1341_
Жыл бұрын
I love how Tolkien described Tom playing around with the ring mirroring how Tolkien played around with the idea of Tom being the hero
@finalvesper
Жыл бұрын
I always interpreted Tom as being an embodiment of the goodness of life and nature, and also of the hope for a better future. Thus, Tom's powers are best expressed through the actions and choices of others rather than his own, since the goodness and hope of others is the essence of what he is. This could be why he loves collecting and telling heroic stories. This is also why he cannot be corrupted by the ring directly. He will not fall until all creation has been conquered and the hope for a better future wiped out, cutting him off from his source of power. As to who would win, I think Tom did in a sense. Sauron was brought down by Frodo and the Fellowship's courage and perseverance in the face of evil, which is what Tom is all about. Sauron is destroyed and the heroes become another story of good triumphing over evil, breathing life and power into Tom.
@connorhus
Жыл бұрын
In the Silmarillion it states that there were many entities that entered the world who were not Maia, Ainar etc. For instance Ungoliant. My opinion has always been that these entities indeed were of the same race as the Ainar but all were of different power levels. Ungoliant supposedly defeated Morgoth until he called for help etc. so Bombadil and even Goldberry were of that angelic (or demonic) race of spirits. One way to tell is almost all cases the Angelic or good side were usually married and those that were not mentioned as being married could have been anyway.
@aarontalksculture4946
Жыл бұрын
Bombadil, being the enigma that he is, I imagine being powerful enough to single handedly stop Sauron or most great evils. I also don't think he would comprehend the necessity to do such a thing on his own. I imagine Tom just snapping a finger or waving a hand and Sauron losing all of his power being unable to do anything. There is an episode of Star Wars Clone Wars where Yoda just deactivates Asaj Ventress' lightsabers with the force instead of actually fighting her. It would be like that.
@Hbibif3
Жыл бұрын
Perfect analogy!
@calebbushman4656
Жыл бұрын
I can’t imagine he’d have been capable of doing that, because Tom is only described as being master of himself and his land that he’s hidden and secluded himself in, Galadriel was able to hide Lothlorien similarly from Sauron, but it is clear that she would not have the ability to destroy him, and honestly she has more feats of power to her name than Tom, like when she single-handedly destroyed Dol Goldur and cleansed the Mirkwood of Sauron’s evil, so I can’t imagine Tom would be able to destroy Sauron if she couldn’t.
@TheOfficialNerdyChannel
Жыл бұрын
I like the Star Wars reference!
@Brandon-a-writer
Жыл бұрын
I must say, I really *love* my job. Great work on bringing this idea and script to life, James!
@winterking2510
Жыл бұрын
Tom is both the spirit and the music of the Ainur itself. He is a personification of the music that the Ainur used to sing the world into existence, which is why he is always singing and whistling. He is living music and thus represents the very spirit of the land. There you have it.
@CorePathway
9 ай бұрын
Sauron may as well try to fight sound itself.
@tankboy2adfwd
Жыл бұрын
I believe if it came down to a fight, Tom would prevail by causing Sauron to destroy himself using his own power using what I can only describe as metaphysical Judo strategies.
@Holypikemanz
Жыл бұрын
dumb af
@AgueroNain
Жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you for this long awaited vs video. I am fascinated by Tom, while I hear and understand Gandalf’s argument for dismissing Tom, let us consider that Sauron was in fact bested in duels before, in hand to hand battle with Huan for example. Nearly bested by Finrod Felagund in a battle of songs and spells, finally, he was severely wounded by Gil-Galad in their epic fight. So Sauron is not unbeatable whether in physical or metaphysical forms he can be bested. I do think Tom could route him, defeat him, embarrass him even, this said, I don’t think of Tom of as general or warrior who would destroy Sauron, rather he would defend, route him off and that’s it. Tom wouldn’t much care about pursuing this evil, I think that’s what Gandalf meant, that in the end, it needs to be the peoples of middle earth banning together to defeat Sauron and keeping the hope and beauty of songs, valleys, goodwill alive.
@TheOfficialNerdyChannel
Жыл бұрын
Facts! Sauron would attack Tom over and over and be repulsed every time, but Tom would never leave his land to attack Sauron and finish him off.
@jackbieler9749
Жыл бұрын
Opinion! Sauron would entreat with Iarwain. He knows this is an ancient and superior foe, and persuasion is Sauron's greatest tool. He used Palantir to deceive Saruman and Denethor. Subverted them, rather than fighting openly. He might leave Tom in his little enclave, ruling all beyond. But then he would parlay, and perhaps using the ring, take a form, pleasing and innocent. Tom would see through this, of course. He would know it is falsehood, but not understand or care enough and be led into whatever trap Sauron, as Mairon the admirable Maiar, would conceive. Tom would be destroyed, or trapped, and Goldberry sacrificed or perverted.
@sje106
Жыл бұрын
We never know what Tom is capable of. He could be on a level with Melkor/Morgoth for all we know.
@edwardportell4955
Жыл бұрын
I thought I remember a comment in one of the history of middle earth books that Tolkien said that if anyone had just thought to ask Bombadil he had the ability to de-power or neutralize the one ring
@RouletteRog
Жыл бұрын
My first stuffed animal as a kid (a dog, in case you were wondering) was named Tom Bombadil. I've always had an affection for the character and enjoy videos about him.
@d0nKsTaH
Жыл бұрын
Tom would have beaten Sauron, Sarumon, Melkor, Darth Vader, The Balrog, and Smaug in one fight. You just can't stop his singing. Especially, if he sings "Indian Love Call" (the Slim Whitman song). Remember, that song killed the Martians in Mars Attacks.
@isaaco5679
Жыл бұрын
I like to think that tom is the embodiment of eru's final note he must have cast in the creation of the world.
@mysticdragonwolf89
Жыл бұрын
Given we watched Tom make the ring vanish and come back (you can only imagine Sauron at that time - for a brief moment he ceased to exist then comes back like wtf just happened) Tom wouldn’t attempt any conflict, rather ask which songs and legends he likes and if Sauron answers with violence, Tom would vanish. But if Sauron engages with words and takes Tom’s tea, Tom would welcome him like a friend and no doubt talk/sing Sauron to eternity till both disappear
@katherinegraham3803
Жыл бұрын
Hey there, Mairon fair! Mairon my own dear one. Come follow merry Tom. Put down the name of Sauron! Without the weight of iron helm, your head is lighter bare. So come now friend, lay down your armour. Breathe the summer air! Over field, across the river young Goldberry is waiting. To hear us talk of Elder Days when the world was waking!
@BlackMoonHowls
Жыл бұрын
@@katherinegraham3803 Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow, Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow. None has ever caught him yet, For Tom, he is the master: his songs are stronger songs, and his feet are faster.
I thought this too! Like the Hobbits saw it "disappear" but maybe it vanished from reality as well.
@spamhere1123
Жыл бұрын
I've always thought of Tom Bombadil as a sort of "Father Earth", a representation of the spirit of the very world. Tom claimed to have been there when the Elves first came over from Valinor. I believe he was created when the world was, in the Music of the Ainur, Arda personified. Despite everything he's seen over the ages, he cares about absolutely nothing other than the land itself, and his lady Goldberry (the water personified). The land is his one and only domain.
@Nala15-Artist
Жыл бұрын
I would say BECAUSE of all he's seen over the ages he cares only about the land. It's the only thing that stays.
@HadrianGuardiola
Жыл бұрын
I feel the same way and im a little mistified that people worry over tom. Hes tom, nuff said. He is and he does and he has no truck with the wisps of social issues that come and go while the land remains.
@hollyj4529
Жыл бұрын
After a fire completely destroys huge sections of land, we will inevitably see one small green plant or flower regrow in that desolated area over time. Eventually life comes back. That is what Tom represents to me. I think that if Sauron had destroyed Middle Earth to the point of the disappearance of Tom, he would have eventually reappeared during such a time when nature would reclaim the land.
@TheOfficialNerdyChannel
Жыл бұрын
Tom reminds me of Pan from Greek mythology.
@ErnieProspero
Жыл бұрын
I still believe that Tom is Eru in physical form living separately in the Old Forest observing how his Music is playing out in the wider world and how its being shaped. His behaviour is very similar to Eru himself. Separated and unconcerned about the death and destruction that both Dark Lords have levied on Arda. He is letting the music run its course. He is letting his children dance to the music. Now, Eru only intervened when pleaded by the Valar. The cost of his intervention? Arda forever changed - Numenor destroyed and Valinor removed completely from reach by mortal men. Gandalf made a comment during the Council that Tom may keep the ring if all the Free People of the Earth asked him. I firmly believe all the free people of earth would ask him to do so and Tom would keep it. However, the suggestion was never given a chance to be exected. My theory is that Gandalf feared that if Tom got involved then Arda would forever be changed yet again. The cost would be too great. Also, defeating Sauron had to be done by the people of earth in order for them to grow. Now, on a 1 on 1 fight between the two? Of course Tom would win. How many times has Sauron lost when he came out to fight on his own? Luthien kicked his ass and she's just a half elf/half maiar hybrid. How would Sauron fair against (not going for Eru this time) the embodiment of Arda, the embodiment of Nature or the Music of the Ainur (as the other theories claim)? It's hard to fathom that Luthien is more powerful than the embodiment of Arda, Nature or the Music of the Ainuir. Remember, the son's of Feanor caught and imprisoned Luthien. No one's every caught Tom - and we know, NO ONE! And I doubt Sauron would succeed even with his fancy ring on. We know Sauron has his sorcery. But Tom has his voice. Sauron's sorcery seeks out weaknesses to take advantage and he won't find one in Tom which would render him powerless to defeat him. Tom would just tell Sauron go back to Valinor and asked for the Valar's forgiveness and Sauron will probably obey. Okay. So Sauron uses his army of Orcs, Troll, Vampires and whatever foul creatures that his evil has summoned to fight Tom. Fine. What's stopping the embodiment of Arda, nature or the Music of the Ainur or as Goldberry describes him "The Master of wood, water, and hill" from summoning all the creatures of nature that exist in Arda - all the creatures that exist in Midldle Earth all the way to the continent of Arda where Valinor is located. Now, Goldbery mentioned "water" which means he probably could summon all the creatures in all the seas and oceans and rivers and lakes that Ulmo rules. Im comparing Tom to Eywa from the movie Avatar summoning all creatures to fight. So in the end Tom would triumph over Sauron. But what would be the cost to Arda if they fought it out? I guess we wil just have to speculate but we know when great powers battle - the land and people suffer. Tom will win but I doubt he will fight Sauron. The cost will be too great. So, He'll just relocate to Aman. He and Goldberyy will likely move to Ungoliath's old place seeing its available since she left abruplty breaking her lease to the Valars. They'll spruce it up and live happily ever after.
@samtjman
Жыл бұрын
The true answer is probably Tom is Tom. My theorist answer is he was created by the music in the discord of Melkor. Where some of the discord influenced foul things like the Watcher in the Water, the response of Eru in incorporation created good things. Thus, Tom would be in creation even before Melkor ever set foot in Arda.
@woodytimes9029
Жыл бұрын
Do you think Tom is a liar? Or do you think he does not know what he is? According to his own words he's eldest. Not eldest in Arda, those are not his words. He's eldest, I trust him on his word. He could not have been created by Melkor. For that would mean Melkor is older than Tom, and Tom is eldest. He could not have been created by Eru. For that would mean Eru is older than Tom, and Tom is eldest. Tom was there before creation and will be there after it. To him the darkness of Melkor or Sauron are but fleeting things, for which he can't worry too much about. Gamdalf and the elves can't phantom the power Tom has, and as a result underestimate it. Neither can they understand the perspective of a being older than time.
@samtjman
Жыл бұрын
@@woodytimes9029 Ahh. Then Tom is Tom. For Tom is indeed older the Eru for Tom was in a literary sense created before Eru by Tolkein. Thus, he is eldest.
@manassurya2019
7 ай бұрын
My theory about Tom Bombadil is that he is one of the "nameless creatures" but a positive version. The nameless creatures originated in the discord in the music by Melkor, which led to many unintended creatures to take form before the Ainur even reached Arda. Most of these were evil or grotesque, since they were accidents of the discord. But Tom is probably the one "happy little accident", where the discord actually created a being who is good and yet immensely powerful. This adds up with Tom's claim that he was in Arda even before Sauron or the Valar.
@backwashjoe7864
Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that Sauron with his One Ring was defeated 3 times in the Second Age. 1) around 1700 by Elves and Men in Eriador (Gil-galad, Elrond and Numenoreans); 2) in the 3260s by Ar-Pharazon and the host of Numenor; and 3) in the 3430s by The Last Alliance of Men and Elves. So I wonder, could Tom Bombadil withstand a Sauron who has not recovered the One Ring. But then, Tom would also have to defeat Sauron's hosts and the Nazgul. (I'm thinking of an alternate outcome where Frodo fails in his quest but the One is just lost again.)
@OhhJim
Жыл бұрын
I’m convinced that Tolkien used Tom as a deus ex machina to get the hobbits out of the tree and the barrow, but then didn’t have any use for him thereafter, so he simply ignored him as a factor.
@jssandler
Жыл бұрын
My theory is that Bombadil is the land itself incarnated into a physical body. Sort of a conscious Arda. Sauron can not destroy the land, only reshape it. In a fight, Bombadil could not be killed, but maybe forced to take another form. In the process, Sauron would expend a ton of energy and effort. But as the land is basically neutral, Sauron would likely choose to ignore Bombadil. This could explain how Bombadil can make the ring disappear, as it often did disappear and go missing under a mountain or a river. The land of can conceal treasure but not destroy it outright.
@DavidFox
Жыл бұрын
Thank the fucking Lord you're doing REAL LotR content again!
@Alex9971000
Жыл бұрын
I think of Tom Bombadil as the antithesis to Ungoliant.
@Daniel0376
23 күн бұрын
Tom is like hearing the tree that falls in the forest. He's only there if you are there to see him.
@frogmand.142
Жыл бұрын
Tom is the only being that after all this time has stayed true to the Will of Illuvitar and so his power is great. But as soon as he forces his Will over others his powers would diminish. He said he is the master of none. He merely reunites things with the original song of Illuvitar and to everyone else it looks like magic. That's what I like to think.
@kami7028
Жыл бұрын
Ayo! This is the best interpretation I've read till now. Thanks sir/ma'am 🫂
@andrewbarbarash3116
21 күн бұрын
Tom is the scariest character because he's so mysterious and unconcerned with everything. With his insane power levels and being older than basically everything in Toilkens world makes him weirdly terrifying...
@victoregley5359
Жыл бұрын
while Sauron and Bombadil fight, Goldberry defends that which she loves most by thrusting a wooden stake through Sauron's back.
@jeffreyrook8073
Жыл бұрын
I'm no lore master, but I get the sense Tom is essentially a representation of life and nature. Similar to how the Germans in WWII were devastated by the Winter, Tom represents the awesome power alive in the core of existance, while also representing the random nature of its actions. In sum, whether or not Sauron could defeat Tom, I think is similar to whether humans could destroy life on Earth. We're no match for its awesome power if it were to turn against us, but its very nature keeps it from directing that power to destroy us. At least so far as we know. 😅
@taelorpickel2830
Жыл бұрын
Well Sauron took part in the creation, Tom was just the first being in Arda, but there is not much evidence of his power over Sauron aside from the dubious fact that he was unamused by the Ring, which while a powerful asset, was in a realm of which Tom was great, and also that Sauron relied on many more abilities aside from mere corruption. Had Tom gone into Sammath-Naur, the Realm of Sauron's Power, it would be no contest.
@jeffreyrook8073
Жыл бұрын
@@taelorpickel2830 Your assessment makes sense, but I think the idea that Tom was just kind of left in the story, means he's not really supposed to make sense within the rules of the lore. Rather, that Tolkien didn't feel it necessary make him fit to the rules. He just seems to me, like a character who's the personification of existence. Good or bad, doesn't register. He's just a character that does stuff. Gods and elves and men come up with plans and have goals, but a hurricane is just a thing that happens. Though I suppose if my interpretation is correct, maybe he'd be a bit more chaotic, and less compassionate. Hard to say.
@DderwenWyllt
Жыл бұрын
Hands down Tom. Tom would whisper a few words, into Sauron's equivalent of ears, and the dark lord would quickly drown in tears, as he contemplates the horrific pain he's inflicted over his years. I would bet all my gold coins on Tom inflicting an existential crisis on Sauron and then Tom would invite him over to smoke some Toby and drink some ale, that evening Tom would explain to Sauron the error of his ways and Sauron would finally see what he has become, suddenly unburdened by the shadow of Melkor Sauron would ask Tom what he himself could do to make up for his horrific past. Tom would give him a flower seed and tell Sauron to take the flower back to Mordor and build a garden so that the flower can grow, Sauron would hurry back to Mordor and build this garden and plant the flower, he would heal the scarred land of Mordor so that the flower may flourish, he would build towers and walls to protect this flower from being trodden, and eventually Sauron would become so consumed by the act of protecting this flower he would wage war on all the world, his fear that Men, Elves or anything that walks might step on his flower he believes he has to wipe them out to secure the safety of his flower. Eventually during this new war he would encounter Tom one more time, Tom would once again show Sauron the error of his ways and Sauron would be so distraught by the realization the shadow of Melkor had once again consumed him that Sauron would abandon middle Earth entirely, his body would turn to dust and his spirit would willingly enter the void in order to protect the world from himself.
@SCScholar1
Жыл бұрын
The one ring has no power over tom because he has no ambition. He is content with his life as it is. I think the one ring needs someone with ambition to be able to corrupt them.
@Brandon-a-writer
Жыл бұрын
bingo!!!!!
@pepesoria
7 ай бұрын
Tom has no ego, and doesn't have a concept of "I win / you lose". His is the nuance of bravery, kindness, sacrifice, and appreciation....his was the art of encouragement others.
@evanjacoby7805
Жыл бұрын
Always thought of Tom as the embodiment of the song of the universe - so if in the end all was tainted (by Sauron or otherwise) he would either be gone or completely changed
@rufusmcgee4383
Жыл бұрын
Frodo: Tom, please come with us. You can totally take on Sauron. Tom looks over at his hot wife, Goldberry....
@frostinferno17
Жыл бұрын
Tom was the first character that Tolkien ever imagined. That's why he was there from the beginning. He almost breaks the 4th wall when you realize he's not a normal character within this world. He's more powerful than Eru himself, because Tom existed outside of Tolkien's Arda fantasy.
@Norbingel
Жыл бұрын
I think Tolkien would say Eru exists outside of Arda himself, though he be called by another name...
@Jubiedanny47
Жыл бұрын
@@Norbingel by the name of Tom ??
@lvtn3135
Жыл бұрын
@@Jubiedanny47 hes probably saying eru = god
@Max1990Power
Жыл бұрын
tom bombadill reminds me of winnie the pooh
@TheOfficialNerdyChannel
Жыл бұрын
@@lvtn3135 Yes, Eru is Tolkien's adaptation of God.
@timothywootton5331
Жыл бұрын
Tom is immune to Sauron. He is ageless, timeless, and care free. He is a being owing nothing to anybody but Eru. He would exist long after Sauron was cast into the void and Ea was dust.
@snowywhite2160
Жыл бұрын
I think he's Eru in disguise as a personality omnipresently manifested. Since Eru is the Light (the father principle), and Bombadil claiming to be father-less.
I like how you often reference what myths some characters might have originated in. I actually didn't know about some of these ones.
@ernestcline2868
Жыл бұрын
Tom is most likely an Ainur content to enjoy Arda without trying to shape it, unlike the Vala or Melkor. He doesn't intervene to save the four hobbits per se, but to save their stories. A victory by Sauron over everyone else would effectively end stories and thus Tom Bombadil's reason for remaining in Arda, to learn and recount interesting stories. So I can't imagine Tom and Sauron ever fighting.
@doombeagle4262
7 ай бұрын
Sauron is doing his best menacing loom, looking all badass, then you hear a banjo playing and Tom Bombadil appears and says, "Sauron here's got a real pretty mouth. Squeal like a pig for me".
@Endme264
3 ай бұрын
Your gonna do some prayin boy, you better pray real good
@jamesfry8983
Жыл бұрын
I always wanted to know more about Goldberry's history as the poem does not say much concerning her at all.
@TheBrokenSword
Жыл бұрын
If anything she is more of a mystery than Tom!
@eolhinforest7736
Жыл бұрын
@@TheBrokenSword Well, 'river's daughter' could refer either to a powerful nature spirit tied to that river, or to one of the maiar under Ulmo, lord of all the waters, or to a child of a maiar under Ulmo (we know they can have children, thanks to Melian "the Maia"). Given Goldberry seemed to be associated with natural cycles and flowers as well as the river, she could have been a minor maia, child of one of Ulmo's and one of Yavanna's, or some such. Something like that world's equivalent of a naiad.
@eolhinforest7736
Жыл бұрын
I would have to go back and read those chapters again with an eye to cues, to speculate further. :)
@kenb4849
7 ай бұрын
An excellent discussion and perspective of the 2 essential forces that can be contained in us all. Sauron may take him in the short run, but Nature, Benevolence, and Time always wins in the end. Thanks, Ken.
@HeWhoShams
Жыл бұрын
Tom could very well be Chaos, as in the very embodiment of Ginnungagap the Norse belief of the time before anything. He is the Eldest, he is fatherless and he was the First. He is neutral and cares not for the affairs of the world. He has no concept of good or evil, and not interfering, is chaos.
@TheOfficialNerdyChannel
Жыл бұрын
Great video! I like all the detail and research put into this!
@TheBrokenSword
Жыл бұрын
💚
@gavhenrad
Жыл бұрын
Sauron would very quickly scud him in the face with that mace. What would happen next though is an interesting prospect. Angry Tom might be a different thing altogether.
@toddkurzbard
Жыл бұрын
Tom Bombadil arrives at the Black Gates of Mordor: Mouth of Sauron: "Master, Tom Bombadil is just outside!" Sauron: "Bombadil??? G*ddamn!!!!!! Open up the rear gates. I'm ghostin'!!!!!!"
@KazgarothUsher
Жыл бұрын
This is an excellent post - thanks all. Really enjoyed it and you can tell it is well researched :)
@RyanGr33n
Жыл бұрын
Knowing that Tolkien drew a lot of thematic influence from the Bible, here’s something to consider. In Genesis 14, Abraham (father of Israel) meets a man named Melchizedek, who says that he is a priest of the Lord, which is odd because the priesthood would not exist for several more generations. Genesis also says he had no father and that he never died, he just always was. This isn’t saying anything about Melchizedek himself (he did have a father and did die, but those details are purposely excluded from the story), but rather it’s a handful of details added so that later on in Psalms, the messiah (Jesus) could be described as a priest, just like Melchizedek, no beginning, no end, always existing, not a Priest because anyone made him one but because he just is one by nature. Melchizedek is included so that he could help us understand something else. Maybe that’s what Bombadil is to LOTR, he’s a mystery on his own, but he sheds light on something else. We’re not meant to think about him too much, but to use that odd little snip of the story to understand something else the author DOES want us to think about…. Maybe.?
@shamantom
Жыл бұрын
This premise is fascinating. This can go so many directions! 🧐
@Treebeerdz
Жыл бұрын
I feel like Tom is actually Eru Ilúvatar just experiencing his creation as an unassuming character. Not there to make any changes but to enjoy the free will of his creation, the ring to him was probably fascinating and fun for him to play around with. It would make sence that he is the oldest and has no father as well. (Should have read the comments first lol looks like I'm not alone.)
@archivis
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree.The ring was made by the will of his creation so he respects free will enough not to delete it. instead he created hobbits solely to to do thering deletion.
@kaysimpson
Жыл бұрын
I like to think of Tom as a polar opposite and equalization of Ungoliant, whom Morgoth found in the darkness.
@davect01
Жыл бұрын
He's a fascinating being that we just don't know enough about Tom would not start the fight but he'd be a fierce opponent that Sauron would have no idea how to deal with
@Eudaimonist
Жыл бұрын
How would the fight go? Very tragically for Tom and Goldberry. My fanfic-like concept is that Sauron, in possession of the One Ring, and having defeated the Wizards and everyone else, would finally turn his eyes towards his last nemesis. He would burn and poison the lands and rivers around the Old Forest. The first to sicken and then die would be Goldberry as the rivers and weather no longer allow her to be who she is (a spirit of the rivers and weather, mainly). Tom would be griefstricken and find little left in the world for himself. He would not be the carefree spirit of the forest he once was, and his powers would wane and then Sauron's forces would raise the Old Forest to the ground.
@ianvincent5069
Жыл бұрын
Tom would never truly win as he wouldn't want to hurt sauron but I don't think sauron could do him any damage
@MchaelTeeter
Жыл бұрын
I’d imagine that if this fight would also have to include his bride Goldberry so it would be a masterful double team against Sauron. The dark lord would have his hands full with Tom Bombadil alone, then throw Gold Berry in the mix it would be epic and the song that Tom would sing would be amazing! Win or loose this would be fascinating and fantastic.
@_semih_
Жыл бұрын
Gandalf the white stated that he(the White Wizard) was the second most dangerous being after Sauron in Middle Earth. So Tom Bombadil was even weaker than Gandalf the white, he wasn't a match to the Dark Lord: "Dangerous!" cried Gandalf. "And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet, *unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord."* [-The Two Towers, LoTR Book 3, Ch 5, The White Rider]
@TheBrokenSword
Жыл бұрын
Being powerful and being dangerous could well be different things though :)
@TheOfficialNerdyChannel
Жыл бұрын
Gandalf was dangerous because he used his power. The whole point of this video is that we have no idea how much power Bombadil has, but he did not use that power aggressively. However, if Sauron attacked Tom Bombadil, Tom might become very dangerous.
@_semih_
Жыл бұрын
@@TheOfficialNerdyChannel Well, nope! You are just ignoring what Gandalf said there. There is no any evidence to say Bombadil was not using his full power lol. It is quoted that Tom Bombadil(with the Ring) would fall after all others were defeated. He had no powers such likeness of the Ainur. If Sauron really attacked Tom Bombadil I don't think Tom could defend himself from the ragefull Dark Lord. Remember that Sauron is the one Maia who broke the power of Vala Ulmo in the first age and later defied the lightning strike of Manwe in Numenor in the second age. As we see we can say that our Dark Lord would crush Bombadil easily. As Tolkien noted, "that power was not in him(Bombadil)!" Edit: Tom Bambadil was NOT a member of Ainur! Because he said he witnessed the coming of the first dark lord Melkor and other Valar down onto the Arda(earth). So Tom was always in the Arda he was not an Ainu spirit (Valar/Maiar).
@artoriasvoncarstein820
Жыл бұрын
@@_semih_ Then why could Tom make the One Ring vanish and appear again? Or why could he still see Frodo, after Frodo put on the One Ring in Tom's home? Or how did he know that all the treasure from the Barrow Whights would just have be in the sun and it would uncorrupt them. Or from where did he have the knowledge that the swords he gave to Frodo and the other hobbits would hurt the Nazgul, when he never left his own little pocket of Middle Earth. He does not get many visitors. Even Gandalf says he hasn't visited him for a some time now. So how did Tom gain that knowledge?
@_semih_
Жыл бұрын
@@artoriasvoncarstein820 Its because Tom 100% was a spiritual being and not a mortal flesh. In the story of the creation of the Ents, Tolkien mentioned "the spirits of nature". These were lesser spirits that were created in Arda(the earth) after the music of Ainur. Personally I see Tom as the opposite to Ungoliant, both of these characters were without an actual origin. Ungoliant came from the Void and Bombadil were always on the Earth even before the coming of Ainur from the outer big Void. Tolkien wanted to keep their origin as a permanent secret and mystery in his story. Bombadil knew that Arthedain swords that used to hurt WK because he was there during the war between Arnor and Angmar. Also that place was near to his home so he might explore and see all that treasure was there but he did not needed such stuff, he was not a warrior type character within the Legendarium. Finally, I've read it somewhere that Tolkien created Tom Bambadil out of this idea of Middle Earth later he decided to add this interesting character into his Middle Earth story. So the purpose the character of Tom Bombadil is to be a literal mistery(and there are some other characters like that such as nameless things, ungoliant, the 3 high spirit that even terrorized all the Valar in the Lost Tales book etc). Thats why we still talk about Tolkien's works! Despite the death of its author, the Legendarium of the Middle Earth still alive and people still talking about it's mysteries even after 50+ years :)
@dylanwatson4591
Жыл бұрын
I feel that Tom was Tolkien, himself, inserted into Middle Earth. And why not? He didn't seriously affect the plot except to defeat the barrow wight with a song, the exemplifications of Tolkien's philosophy, got to introduce himself and his wife to the Hobbits, played with the one ring, and was mentioned by the council as the first (as author) and last.
@luxitos2867
Жыл бұрын
Tolkien based the story of Beren and Luthien on him and his wife.
@qarljohnson4971
Жыл бұрын
I have to confess I still instantly translate Tom Bombadil into his "Bored of the Rings" persona, "Tim Benzadrine". If only National Lampoon still was publishing...
@kylejohnsen9162
Жыл бұрын
Some of that Tom Bombadil art... looks like it's imagining Jack Black as Tom Bombadil. ...and now I really want to see Jack play Tom!
@duncanramsay9262
Жыл бұрын
Tom's the bomb
@bobbobbobbob2111
Жыл бұрын
"Old Jack Black is a merry fellow, Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow." 18:02
@daviddegeorgia7955
Жыл бұрын
I think the real question is if there is anything that could stop Tom Bombadil from walking into Mordor? If he was convinced of the need he could have just walked right up to Mt. Doom and thrown the ring in himself. That would have ended Sauron. However their was probably nothing that could have caused Tom to do that... unless all the Ents and other creatures of Middle Earth asked him. As he weighed what do due the final voice who asks him to act is Goldberry herself. Therefore Tom takes up the quest guided by Gandalf.
@BellaCahill
7 ай бұрын
My theory is that Tom is a Maia. Eru or one of the Valar would not have fallen against Sauron even when he had the one ring, and if he was a mortal he would not have had the power that he had, and the ring would have turned him invisible. But one of the Maiar could potentially be defeated by Sauron.
@wigs666
Жыл бұрын
"OK Tom, if you promise to stop singing I will leave middle earth forever"
@penelopegreene
Жыл бұрын
Tom Bombadil literally cakewalking (literally) over Sauron: *SUDDENLY A WILD CLOUD APPEARS...*
@WillOfTheLost
Жыл бұрын
Do you not see? Tom gave the exact answer of what he is. Eldest, that's what I am. He was the first character Tolkien wrote about in Middle Earth, "Old Tom Bombadil was a merry fellow." was literally the first line of the Tom Bombadil poem published circa 1934 in Oxford magazine. He has sway over Old man willow and the Barrow wights because they were in the Poem. The ring has no sway over him because it is not apart of his story as they live in the middle of their creation. Maybe we delve too deeply in the wrong timeline littered with Valar and Maiar.
@Patpat-jd9fx
Жыл бұрын
I think you may be on to Something. Nothing would be left for him in the world of Sauron. And so the book closes and darkness ensues.
@rockyjforay
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this wonderful video, and adding the great artwork and crediting the artists! It’s a very interesting question, and given the fact that the ring had no effect on him tells me that Sauron wouldn’t either. It’s like he lives on Middle-earth as a visitor without any of the evils or wills of the natural inhabitants having any influence on him whatsoever. I think if Sauron tried to attack him, he could shrink him in the palm of his hand, and Sauron would shout back in a tiny voice, hey, what’s the big idea, and Tom would just flick him back to Mordor with his forefinger 😂
@natnut2008
Жыл бұрын
Tom is probably Eru. So powerful and unknown that even Tolkien couldn't grasp his nature. Tom would use Sauron as a footstool.
@Huskytabby
Жыл бұрын
What-if video idea for you to do: What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
@alvinkoh5556
Жыл бұрын
Tom is an aftermath of Tolken's thought of adding flowers and joy to the pain and reality of this cruel world.
@soaringcrow5077
Жыл бұрын
You ask the question without asking what death means for Tom,Just as youve discussed the differences in mortality of elves,Maiar from men death has different consequences for each so discussing a result would depend on how if even death would affect Tom, also it seems obvious Tom understands the song of Illuvatar in a much deeper way than Sauron so knows Sauron is absolutely no threat and is seeing events on a scale of time beyond all the other characters. What I'm getting at is the characters of the story have to have the sense of Jeopardy for the song to play out and it seems Tom is beyond this Jeopardy almost able to enjoy the song of Illuvater while all the others players are bound by the song.
@harposhizzle
Жыл бұрын
The best description I have heard for Bombadil is that he is an analog of the nameless things, like the watcher in the waters, which hide in the darkest corners of creation and were not intended in the creative will of Eru Illuvitar.
@007EnglishAcademy
Ай бұрын
Paul Kocher in his excellent book ''Master of Middle Earth'' described Tom as being ''an archetypal vegetation God''. Tolkien wields powerful archetypes. We know even if we can't articulate it.
@moocyfarus8549
Жыл бұрын
Gandalf the Gray said that Bombadil wouldn't win against Sauron but essentially at that point it would be the entire world against Tom Gandalf the White was wiser I think based on all the information if Tom had a stepped up during the war of the Rings he could have won a single-handedly but being omnipotent he knew he didn't have to and he knew that he could step up if they failed I think that in his many ages he has seen things darker than morgoth and Sauron. 😉 and never underestimate a soul that can't be corrupted
@northernoutdooradventures3883
Жыл бұрын
I always felt that Tom did go to war with Sauron and won. It was his purity of song that gave Frodo the strength to accomplish the impossible.
@Cauin450
Жыл бұрын
The Broken Sword. This is very close to the old argument about the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object. I believe what you said is correct. The source of Tom's power good and growing things. Sauron's comes from destroying good and growing things. If you have no power to fight, you lose. That's basically what happened to Saurom in the end.
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