Love the part where Tom says "this is the part we can talk and no one can hear us"
@benlauson555
5 жыл бұрын
I love how people think it's a mistake!
@alrith72
5 жыл бұрын
I love how people think it's funny
@nickp3177
5 жыл бұрын
Actually, Storm Giants in D&D are Chaotic Good, Stone Giants are Neutral, Cloud Giants are generally Neutral Good or Neutral Evil, Frost Giants are Neutral Evil, Fire Giants are Lawful Evil, Hill Giants are Chaotic Evil. So yeah, MOST of the Giants are evil, but not all of them. /IamaNerd
@BassForever
5 жыл бұрын
NEEEEEEEEEEERD!
@christopherlai364
5 жыл бұрын
Bravo for defending the gentle giants!
@BinaryBard64
5 жыл бұрын
Alignment is one thing, but can you recite their AC and attack rolls?
@feekygucker2678
2 жыл бұрын
🤓🤓🤓👏👏👏
@Charlescy5
3 жыл бұрын
I am still laughing at Tom's commentary about the joker's henchmen aahahha, that one and the kissing dice moment that Tom had are my favorite
@fairy_goddamich3057
5 жыл бұрын
The Villainous discussion was hilarious! ahahahah "(Cruella de Vil, slaughters puppies) What is wrong with you?!" "(about Scar) But he can sing like all get out!" hahahahaha
@edmundbloxam2714
5 жыл бұрын
'We're [The Dice Tower] a great way to launder money.' Best KZitem channel comment ever.
@Pantenkind75
5 жыл бұрын
I represent the international brotherhood of mob bosses and cake makers. We had a meeting and in a close vote, we accept your apology. Luckily you didnt insult cake makers, they are very sensitive and hold a grudge.
@jankogo
5 жыл бұрын
As a prominent mob boss I considered putting a giant meeple head in Toms bed, but instead I´ll make him an offer he can´t refuse... ;-)
@BinaryBard64
5 жыл бұрын
Don't mess with cake bakers...they'll make you a cake you can't refuse. I know people who have watched "cake boss"...some of these cakes cam put you deep into debt...if you know what I mean...
@meganecro
5 жыл бұрын
for me it's Chaos in the Old World.
@Overglock
5 жыл бұрын
So according to Sam, the Rebels were good guys in Rogue One (stealing info), but bad guys in A New Hope (blowing stuff up).
@thedicetower
5 жыл бұрын
Sam here...no, YOU shut up!...;) In my defense, (and I'm ONLY talking about a Star Wars board game, which is a fictional product derived from a fictional movie set in a fictional universe with fictional characters and fictional situations, and this is not at all a statement concerning real life...really sad that I feel like I have to provide all those caveats) when the thing you're blowing up is a military target in which no civilians are present, and a weapon of mass destruction (and that's putting it lightly) controlled by a tyrannical and genocidal government that just blew up an entire planet, with said weapon of mass destruction, and was set on doing it again...I think there could be a strong argument that the Rebels were the good guys there....but seriously, it's just a movie.
@Overglock
5 жыл бұрын
Haha, good clarification, Sam. Hope you know I was just teasing ;) Love hearing the banter between you guys on these lists.
@thedicetower
5 жыл бұрын
@@Overglock Sam here...no worries!
@markusschmidt9260
5 жыл бұрын
@@thedicetower The Corporation in Spectre Ops is Raxxon, same corp, who plagued the world with Zombies in Dead of Winter. So clearly, they are the bad guys as much as the Empire in SW.
@williamroop451
5 жыл бұрын
After all these years of Scotland Yard, hearing Mister X spoken by Zee just hit me - Mister X spoken fast sounds like MISDIRECTS! Wow! I guess I was clueless.
@Lanxe
5 жыл бұрын
....I think I just achieved a higher state of being
@Steve-L
5 жыл бұрын
The skips from lag in this video are pretty bad. Also the mic's were left on during the calling of the numbers. I still love the top 10 list, but this may be the lowest quality vid in years. Great list and discussion though! Thanks Dice Tower!
@thedicetower
5 жыл бұрын
Well, we can't control the internet. Also, we knew the mic's were on, it was a joke. :)
@Steve-L
5 жыл бұрын
@@thedicetower Thanks for responding. I love your channel! 1 video doesn't change my opinion. And still quite enjoyed the banter.
@BradWilson1969
5 жыл бұрын
@@thedicetower Ahh, that makes sense. It's an odd kind of lag, like someone pressing a skip forward button, not the usual "pause for a second then catch up" kind of lag. I suppose the lag is in the upload, so it's missing content (skipped) instead of waiting for content.
@john-paulmacdonagh1014
5 жыл бұрын
Live stream is crap
@Steve-L
5 жыл бұрын
@@john-paulmacdonagh1014 usually it isn't that bad and I don't mind the Live stream format, it isn't my preferred format for most videos, but sometimes it is.
@bjornfranke8132
5 жыл бұрын
1. Cthulhu Wars 2. Twilight Struggle / Labyrinth 3. Village Attacks 4. Deception Murder in Hong Kong 5. Rum and Bones 6. Batman Gotham City Chronicles 7. The Others 8. Spartacus 9. Dungeon Petz 10. Sheriff of Nottingham
@CarterSharpe
5 жыл бұрын
Storm giants were traditionally CG in D&D, 50% of Cloud giants were NG, and Stone Giants were Neutral, so not all D&D giants are evil. Now, Hill Giants and Fire Giants, they are up to no good!
@nathanieltapley
3 жыл бұрын
Seeing Tom honk and sneeze and blow his nose while everyone else sits there seems like a real Bad Guy move in 2020...
@nerdfatha
4 жыл бұрын
Sam is so obsessed with saying he doesn't like playing as a bad guy, but he absolutely loves it.
@eb42193
5 жыл бұрын
Also, I am totally on Tom's side with the Disney villain thing. I have a Disney villain mug . You don't root for them but they are cool
@mattbowden1981
5 жыл бұрын
I love The Bloody Inn!
@scyldscefing3913
5 жыл бұрын
Playing Dracula in Fury of Dracula would be my best choice.
@bronxuk6052
5 жыл бұрын
The greatest "loveable" Disney villains for me has always been the Lion king John and his snake sidekick from Robinhood and its primarily down to the performances of Peter Eustanoff and Terry Thomas, hilarious, god help us if they ever decide to do a live action remake of that.
@christopherlai364
4 жыл бұрын
Obsessed with that cartoon when I was a kid. Still am I guess! Why I love Sheriff of Nottingham I guess. :p
@drummerdude7318
5 жыл бұрын
Chaos in the Old World!!
@mohnkern
5 жыл бұрын
I love the Bloody Inn! It’s a wonderfully evil game.
@maxvigne7111
5 жыл бұрын
Zee’ s “if you wear a lot of hats” comment has me in stitches 😂😂😂😂
@MichaelB-jw5po
5 жыл бұрын
Shadespire feels a little weird for this list, but I love that game so much that I'm ok with it being here.
@elduderino7069
5 жыл бұрын
I think it fits very well because there are no good guys in the Age of Sigmar/Warhammer in general.
@VaultBoy13
5 жыл бұрын
Tyrants of the Underdark and Cthulhu Wars would be 2 that weren't mentioned that I'd have on my list.
@DUDEMIKE8
3 жыл бұрын
It's hilarious when you guys talk over the number intros! Way less awkward than resuming to silence.
@TheEpinema
5 жыл бұрын
Zee - Most evil (openly), Tom - in denial, trying to justify it, Sam - good.
@ishoottheyscore8970
5 жыл бұрын
Zee's acting background showing through - I think most actors love playing the villain!
@BassForever
5 жыл бұрын
Legendary Marvel Villains is my favorite villain game, along side any social deduction game where I play a villain
@orvin2vids
5 жыл бұрын
what about letters from whitechapel? One player plays the infamous serial killer Jack the Ripper
@Haladras
5 жыл бұрын
orvin2vids They don’t like it.
@bamboozledgreatcrowd8982
5 жыл бұрын
I hate that game.
@Captainmaf
5 жыл бұрын
@@Haladras They have 2 videos on their channel of Whitechapel and Whitehall saying they like it.
@TheRASDEL83
5 жыл бұрын
1st I want an applause for Tom for getting into the theme and spoiling one of the games... Spolier without spolier warning... Thats evil. 2nd I gotta go and say that the Pink character in Battle Merchants looks like Zee XD. Great video, didn't know some of this games. Cheers
@LEGnewTube
5 жыл бұрын
I would have picked 13 Dead End Drive. A group of people all trying to steal an dead old lady's money and kill each other in the process before the cops arrive. That's messed up. Great game!
@Steve-L
5 жыл бұрын
10. Black Fleet 9. Libertalia 8. Family Business 7. Hail Hydra - playing any side is fine, not particularly the bad guys 6. Dead Men Tell No Tales 5. Werewolf - being the werewolf is indeed fun 4. Guillotine 3. The Sheriff Of Nottingham 2. Colt Express 1. Lords of Waterdeep - any character is fine to play, I do not prefer the evil lords
@thorny1
5 жыл бұрын
Know it's not really your fashion but you should do a top 10 games that allow you to be super cut throat/ruthless and you are the "bad guy" depending on how cut throat you play.
@Mentat1231
5 жыл бұрын
For what it's worth, viruses are not "animals". But, I agree with Tom's pick of a virus being a bad guy. And Sam's absurd thing about playing poorly so the bad thing loses obviously applies to ANY case of playing a bad guy! Lol. Great stuff.
@markusschmidt9260
5 жыл бұрын
True, they are neither animal nor plant. They are not even a life form on their own.
@hawkeye137137
5 жыл бұрын
Lords of Waterdeep is my favourite villain game which you play a faction leader that rules the city behind the curtains and does lots of shady things for his/her benefit. My second favourite is probably Chaos in the Old World which you play as a chaos god and your only purpose is to kill and corrupt everything in your path. Also Android: Netrunner is a good one which one side plays a big brother style mega corporation.
@joelwolski
5 жыл бұрын
Western Legends? Tom loves being a bad guy in that.
@dabearz27
5 жыл бұрын
“There’s no good werewolf.” Oz?
@paulwhite4804
5 жыл бұрын
Teenwolf
@TheRealMrKGB
5 жыл бұрын
Western Legends! You can steal cattle, kill the sheriff, rob the bank or other players. And it's a fun path to take. Surprised this wasn't on your list Tom!
@Watcher4187
5 жыл бұрын
Historically speaking, Vikings were not bad compared to the other cultures of the time. By and large they were domestic, family oriented farmers. When they did invade and conquer, they usually allowed the people they invaded to keep their culture and integrated into their society. Compare this to Charlemagne who forced people to convert or face death or the Normans who strictly oppressed the people that they conquered. If you were alive in Europe around 700-1000 CE , you’d most likely want to be living under Viking rule.
@skyblazeeterno
5 жыл бұрын
I think you are romanticising that a little too much
@geraldherzog7951
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the list. Informative as always. I am surprised that Battlestar Galactica did not make the list ( are the bad guys the Cylons or the humans?). I would also add Colt Express (everyone is an outlaw), and Survive Escape from Atlantis (sending sharks to eat other survivors seems evil). Thanks again for the list.
@conradbourne3595
5 жыл бұрын
Fury of Dracula would definitely be one of my top ones. I'm surprised no one mentioned Western Legends
@DarthPizza777
Жыл бұрын
If giants are bad guys, then Tom is a bad guy! 😂
@VixenIcaza
5 жыл бұрын
I'm an Imperial player in X-wing 1st ed so that counts. Also some of the darker races in TI4 are calling me (the pirate one & the nanovirus).
@PandaOfElastic
5 жыл бұрын
Sadly, no, there won't be an expansion for Libertalia, which is really sad since Paolo has said the expansion was already planned. The publisher just didn't want to publish it.
@bensgoogle
5 жыл бұрын
1. Star Wars: Imperial Assault 2. Betrayal at House on the Hill 3. Villainous 4. Mr. Jack 5. A Game of Thrones: The Card Game 6. The Godfather: Corleone’s Empire 7. Dead of Winter 8. Star Wars: The Card Game 9. Coup 10. Dune
@TheProteanGeek
5 жыл бұрын
I love the Disney Villains. Scar, Jafar, Hades, Gaston. They are so awesome.
@Phulu_OMGRT
5 жыл бұрын
"Space smells like burned hair for a week" - Zee Best comment EVER!
@johnsonnavinr2522
5 жыл бұрын
My tops is eschaton. Reprint on KS. Everyone is setting plagues and summoning evil creatures like succubus and devil's and such to gain the favor of the dark one before Armageddon hits as to be the dark ones pet instead of eternity suffering in hell. Great deck builder area control game
@AJ-nc4vr
5 жыл бұрын
Top ten games the guys mention on every list.... ;)
@Urathamax
5 жыл бұрын
Meta!
@Alittlefruitgoesalongway
5 жыл бұрын
I still think it's cool to get different perspectives, and any excuse for another video from these guys I'd take.
@ishoottheyscore8970
5 жыл бұрын
There were quite a few fairly unique mentions - Battle Merchants is a game I've barely heard anyone talk about for example.
@douglasdea637
5 жыл бұрын
Fred Saberhagen wrote a series of books where Dracula is the good guy: A Friend of the Family, Thorn, etc...
@mb1414nico
5 жыл бұрын
What about Burgle Bros? I like it to be the burglar, trying to get the loot and then escape.
@tiagomarques9822
5 жыл бұрын
Micha Blu I also thought about this one. Never played it, but watched the BGG’s Game Night! episode and it’s been on my wishlist since then.
@raziel2273
5 жыл бұрын
Guys i think a top 10 with best card games would be a great idea..a lot of people need it
@andrewwalsh2021
5 жыл бұрын
That is just Zee’s top 10 list for most categories.
@undersci
5 жыл бұрын
These lists need more Dogs of War.
@willjones6855
5 жыл бұрын
I nearly always enjoy being the bad guy in games, Middle Earth Quest, Fury of Dracula, The Others etc., love being the bad guy in all of them. I really want to try either Conan or Batman, but I'm too poor, the mechanics of the bad guy side of those games look amazing.
@nickvandam1214
5 жыл бұрын
Star Wars Rebellion, Burgle Bros, Coup, and Scotland Yard are in my top 10
@chrismurphy9932
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Star Wars Rebellion. I love playing the Empire!
@bigfatcheeser
5 жыл бұрын
Surprised Rebellion wasn't on Sam's list myself
@Nozdormu1982
5 жыл бұрын
Sons of Anarchy, Western Legends, Merchants and Marauders.
@KristoVaher
5 жыл бұрын
This is the weirdest Top 10 of all time. As is proven, almost any game fits :D
@namelessfire
3 жыл бұрын
Cthulhu Wars, Chaos in the Old World, Blood Rage, and Spirit Island would be great additions to this list.
@koben333
5 жыл бұрын
La Cosa Nostra. I know it's full of luck, but that's that, I still like it just for silly fun. And it's like 30 minutes.
@Vader240183
5 жыл бұрын
Chaos in the world my favourite..
@clarenceneal2622
5 жыл бұрын
Sons of Anarchy has some pretty bad bad guys in it....
@justanerd1138
5 жыл бұрын
Orcs are not evil! They just love the dokka dokka dokka!
@pikkdogs
4 жыл бұрын
Infinity Gauntlet: A Love Letter Game. I love being Thanos and snapping my fingers. And yeah, Colt Express is fun too.
@pirotehs
5 жыл бұрын
Vidication is a game about bad guys who are doing good things. So Vindication is not eligible for this list?
@sm5574
4 жыл бұрын
I would definitely have Boss Monster: Rise of the Minibosses on this list.
@KingGhidorah_
4 жыл бұрын
I can't believe they had THIRTY slots in which to put games and not a single one of them put Level 7: Omega Protocol, or Star Wars: Imperial Assault!!! That's just insane. The Sheriff in Sheriff of Nottingham is more evil than The Overseer or Darth Vader? Stop it.
@Lanxe
5 жыл бұрын
hilarious list - good job guys!
@benlauson555
5 жыл бұрын
Leaving the mics on during transactions is hilarious!
@DarthSironos
Жыл бұрын
Tom starts talking about how he loves genocide, and they quickly go to number 5 ^^
@inhumanbookworm
5 жыл бұрын
Chaos in the Old World
@FeartheMalice
5 жыл бұрын
I am surprised no one at all said Victorian Masterminds. Man I would of liked this video a lot more if it did not have this huge lag spikes. It got really bad when they asked Sam which game is better Batman or Canon. I just heard book and then Zee was going.
@ummon995
5 жыл бұрын
Top 10 language independent games?
@jdkenada
5 жыл бұрын
Glad to see Fate of the Elder Gods make it!
@PrismRed
5 жыл бұрын
But from my point of view the Jedi are evil!
@milesfelixchristensen7585
5 жыл бұрын
Then you are lost!
@blarneystone38
5 жыл бұрын
If you're not with me, then you're my enemy.
@aricohen8144
5 жыл бұрын
Ursula is the/my best answer for Likeable Disney Villians
@nandezification
5 жыл бұрын
Seems these games keep appearing in their top 10 lists. Next lists: Games with people in it Games that have monsters! Games with boards Games with Pirates Games with dice! Games that have characters Games that cost MONEY! Games that take more than 15 min Games that are not Magic the Gathering Games that require hands! Games that have FUN!
@dougsundseth6904
5 жыл бұрын
Dude, you carry a skull with you everywhere you go. Does that make you ...? Wait, bad example. 8-)
@markusschmidt9260
5 жыл бұрын
There are several good werewolves in pop culture, some already been mentioned. I'd add Seth from Buffy. And isn't there a good werewolf among the X-Men?
@aweso
5 жыл бұрын
I guess it's not really any of your type of game, but the first ones I thought of were the euros and economic games where you're playing slave-holding plantation owners (Puerto Rico) colonizers (Mombasa) or gilded age robber-barons (18xx, Arkwright, Brass). I mean, how many children do you think have died in my cotton mills by the end of one game of Brass? I guess it's not as in your face as playing a demon, but it's clear what's going on. To me that human level villainy seems in a way worse to me because it's more real. A demon is sort of like an animal in the way that it just behaves the way that it's nature dictates. But we generally think humans have free will to choose how to behave. And anyway if Sheriff of Nottingham counts than a lot of these examples are like that but on a significantly larger scale. And a lot of these are my favorite types of games; my list would be mostly games from that perspective.
@kyrrilcrepeele1353
4 жыл бұрын
I like playing the german guards in Colditz
@a1investigations433
5 жыл бұрын
Good example of why you shouldn't being doing these live. Still very enjoyable as usual, however.
@philheaton1619
4 жыл бұрын
Ah Tom, Angels are listed in the Monster Manual. Just saying...
@Calibursoul
6 ай бұрын
I know DT steers clear of this game, but Secret Hitler belongs on this list!
@Urathamax
5 жыл бұрын
I was expecting Village Attacks to make an appearance: I've never played but the premise is so tasty! I hate playing the traitor in Betrayal at House on the Hill - the scenarios have been weighted too much in favour of the heroes (so far).
@TheProteanGeek
5 жыл бұрын
The Resistance: Avalon is the better choice of Resistance games for this list. Mordred and his minions are clearly evil.
@benjaminspears8488
5 жыл бұрын
Zee reminds me a lot of Creed Bratton from The Office.
@MrFuckethead
4 жыл бұрын
Sons of Anarchy Chaos in the Old World Spartacus Cthulhu Wars
@lorebroker52
5 жыл бұрын
For being the bad guy in a game does it really matter if the side you represent hast a choice in real life to be bad or good? If I represent the virus in a game I feel being the bad guy even if a virus per se can't be bad willingly but has to. At least that's how I see the case...
@stephenmitchell617
8 ай бұрын
Tom you're 6'4"! You have to like tall people.
@wroot_lt
5 жыл бұрын
I don't listen to podcasts (i tried), because i want to see human faces, especially their expressions during jokes, explaining stuff. But now i stare at those boring game boards or covers instead.. It's ok to show it for a few seconds, although i would argue that showing it on TV screen is enough. Top 10s starting to fall behind Backtalks and even Live breakfast for me, as there are no such thing in there. E.g. by the end i heard Sam laughing because i assume Zee did some weird expression and i would love to see this. Annoying.
@jamesnelson768
3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised Dungeon Lords wasn't on anyone's list.
@ulysses2711
5 жыл бұрын
Narcos
@davidbell5528
5 жыл бұрын
Sam : I'm not evil its just the way the system works......
@davidmorrison4863
5 жыл бұрын
There are some really good picks on there, but Sam seemed really uncomfortable with it as a subject for a top 10.
@paulcarberry9734
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I agree, I'm inclined to think it's his religiosity that makes him uncomfortable with playing/having fun with anything in the realm of "evil" "demons" etc... I know Tom is also quite religious but in all their videos, I've never seen his beliefs get in the way of him enjoying board games... same with Zee (although I've never heard Zee even talk about religion, he may very well be an atheist), he doesn't seem to be uncomfortable at all with throwing himself into a fictitious role, within a fictitious world of a board game and just having fun with it.
@dangerdanger82
5 жыл бұрын
@@paulcarberry9734 Yeah, I think we would all have games where we're uncomfortable with the theme, and most of us would be uncomfortable playing certain characters. I absolutely respect Sam not feeling the 'baddie' thing. Maybe it only became clear later on that he wasn't comfortable with it, but it's just a shame to see a video where one of them isn't happy with the theme.
@TorIverWilhelmsen
5 жыл бұрын
If lawbreakers are inherently "bad guys", does that mean you could put Freedom: the Underground Railroad on this list? (ponder)
@karenescamilla7832
5 жыл бұрын
what about Gloom? I know some people that can't play it because of the base goal of it D:
@cthulhu240
5 жыл бұрын
What about the Nekro Virus in TI4???
@jobberslayer
5 жыл бұрын
Wonder if Tom forgot about Greed or it just didn't make his list?
@thedicetower
5 жыл бұрын
Didn't make the list.
@RaphaelCarmo
3 жыл бұрын
Almost all eurogames you play as villains cause you're usually the European colonialist
@michellehung3660
5 жыл бұрын
Remus Lupin is a good werewolf!
@anthonyruggeri1355
5 жыл бұрын
Omg I am really starting to hate the live top 10 lists. Tom is never set with his lists and the ridiculous changing of ties shirts or whatever. The fact that they goof around way too much and the oh let’s make a poll. Just get back to doing the lists. The quality has gone down quite a bit
@chrismurphy9932
5 жыл бұрын
I always go evil in video games on the first play through. It's far more fun and you don't have to worry about civilian casualties :)
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