Sharazad might be the best example of a major flavor win making a card totally unplayable lol
@gamer31111
Жыл бұрын
i don't know man, there's a few stall decks that i can think of in modern and legacy that would kill to have 4 copies specifically to get the best theoretical opener. Then you run Echo of Eons with some graveyard recursion and you're golden.
@laytonjr6601
5 ай бұрын
Sharazad is terrible if you want to win the game, but the potential for stalling and playing the clock is insane. Without any copy or recursion effect, if you manage to cast every copy in your deck every subgame you'll have to play 16 games in total 4 3 2 1 0 3 2 1 0 2 1 0 1 0 0 2 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
@TheChayxxx
Жыл бұрын
Wizards- Bans Yorion because it could be “problematic” to shuffle 80 cards Also Wizards- Supports a 100 card format
@otakubullfrog1665
Жыл бұрын
This made me think of the story about the play-tester who prevented Time Walk from being printed with the wording "opponent loses next turn" because he pointed out how else that could be interpreted.
@RGC_animation
Жыл бұрын
? I don't get it.
@otakubullfrog1665
Жыл бұрын
@@RGC_animation "Loses" can also mean loses the game.
@1993Delicious
Жыл бұрын
@@RGC_animation time walk: take an extra turn after this one. There are also other wordings you could use. Your opponent skips their next turn. But you could write it as "your opponent loses (their) next turn. That would mean some guy in some tournament would argue that he understands it not as" you get an extra turn" but "your opponent loses the game"
@dstreetz91
Жыл бұрын
Target player loses next turn can just mean the game itself since this was 1993, there wasn't a way to clarify wording like that at the time. Take an extra turn is understood because both players take turns back and forth normally.
@Phazonfarmer
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact about Cauldron Familiar: It actually got sort-of-unbanned in Arena when they rolled out their Alchemy format. This format is specifically meant for Arena, and is filled with effects that would require an impartial mediator to oversee the match, such as adding a permanent +1/+1 to a random card in your hand without revealing it to your opponent. Additionally, many cards also got changes to make them more powerful and easier to use, while many others received changes meant to rein them in. In Familiar's case, it got an extra line of text that reads "This creature cannot block". While it still sees play in sacrifice-focused decks, its inability to chump-block huge threats means it's far from the powerhouse it used to be.
@daltonsmith7640
Жыл бұрын
Alchemy sucks
@bisonsama321
Жыл бұрын
Alchemy’s fine, you can just *not* play it, like 90% or MTGA’s playerbase. A few Alchemy cards are just right for Singleton formats, that’s about as valuable as they can get for me. But Alchemy changes affecting Historic (even worse, Historic Brawl), is the stupidest, most absurd and uncalled for thing on Arena. Meathook Massacre is banned in standard, but you can still run it to its full potential in Standard Brawl. Yet, thanks to Alchemy, Meathook is nerfed to the ground in Historic Brawl, while the format is much more powerful than Standard Brawl…
@Conradd23
Жыл бұрын
@@bisonsama321 cauldron familiar was never a part of Alchemy. Alchemy came out after it had already rotated out of Standard. They made that change specifically to nerf it in Historic.
@kateslate3228
Жыл бұрын
We don't talk about the fake cards.
@yeasstt
Жыл бұрын
@@bisonsama321 Oracle of the Alpha also just released and is digital only. That card should stay in Alchemy and not bring Time Walk into historic
@hexsaver420
Жыл бұрын
11:38 In the version of the urban legend I heard, the judge sidestepped the ruling entirely by disqualifying the first player for having a 59-card deck.
@calemr
Жыл бұрын
Logically, it's marking your card.
@deeterful
Жыл бұрын
In a version I heard, he got DQed for playing a marked card.
@kralik394
Жыл бұрын
Lol the version i heard was the guy got DQd for illegally modifying his deck.
@MrZerodaim
Жыл бұрын
You can actually loop Shahrazad infinitely, leading to subgames within subgames within subgames [...] In the context of a subgame, all cards that are part of the main game are considered outside of the game, which means that if you play Shahrazad, you can use a Wish card (cards that take card from outside the game - usually meaning your sideboard - and puts them into your hand) to take cards from the main game into the subgame. This adds to the existing logistics nightmare of tracking the state of the main game (like damage, the stack, etc), but most notably this lets you grab the one card currently resolving in the main game: Shahrazad itself! With a bit of creative deckbuilding to keep lands and wishes in your library through the loop, you can keep starting subgames over and over...
@seandun7083
Жыл бұрын
You do need to worry about your library running out of cards as more and more are trapped in the layers above, but assuming you can loop wishes indefinitely, that might be okay. What part of the main game can wishes take cards from? Hand, library, battlefield, graveyard, stack?
@TheJacklikesvideos
Жыл бұрын
you cannot loop indefinitely because you will leave non-zero cards behind and your deck is finite and there are not the options to pull more cards from the last game as you are playing in the current game.
@seandun7083
Жыл бұрын
@@TheJacklikesvideos I assume using leyline of anticipation/omniscience shenanigans there is a way to shape the gamestate so that a copy of Shahrazad is on the stack and all your cards are shuffled into your library, but that would be difficult to pull off indefinite subgames in a row unless your opponent is cooperating. You might also need to shuffle in their stuff too to prevent them from milling out. Now I'm curious if you can mill out during the first time state based actions are checked if your starting deck has less than 7 cards, or if you don't until your first draw step.
@MrZerodaim
Жыл бұрын
@@seandun7083 You don't need to worry too much about running out of cards yourself, you can just wish for the cards from the subgame to the subsubgame first, then shuffle them into the deck in some way. Or use lands that sacrifice themselves for mana + elixir or immortality to shuffle. However your opponent will likely end up with too few cards to draw an opening hand and lose the subgames as they start. When you're in the subgame, there is no concept of "main game" nor "zones outside the game". All those cards are treated just like your sideboard: outside the game. You can wish for a card from anywhere in the main game - except library, since it's part of the subgame - and that of course includes the stack ! Though let's be honest, should you manage to pull off such a loop, the opponent would just concede all subgames and lose half their life in the main game, skipping all the nonsense.
@seandun7083
Жыл бұрын
@@MrZerodaim I forgot that the main game library would be of course in your sub game library. I am curious how it works with face down exiled cards from the main game (for example if you're opponent casts Gonti). I have been digging in the rules and haven't been able to find anything clarifying that beyond just "stuff in the main game is outside the subgame". There is a concept of the main game in the subgame, but it only really matters for defining rules and for any effects of the card that created the subgame (like the life lots from Shahrazad upon resolution) but it is all outside the game, which I assume is what you were trying to say. I'm honestly surprised that they actually flushed out the rules as much as they did for a mechanic that is banned everywhere outside of unsets. Pro tip: if you are playing one of the silver bordered sub game cards and expect your opponents to play them too, Ass Whuppin' should be able to function to destroy stuff in the main game.
@kennydarmawan13
Жыл бұрын
15:57 And even then, the un-set subgame cards all start with very low life totals. This means it's actually a lot more fun to do so and not as much of a slog as Shahrazad. The fact you don't even have to play seriously makes it more fun. Speaking of which, hope to see the top 10 un-set/acorn-stamped/silver-bordered cards that would be VERY overpowered in a normal game, excluding the eternal-legal ones.
@enlongjones2394
Жыл бұрын
And seeing as it’s a red spell, that sub game is likely to end really fast with a lightning bolt or something.
@kennydarmawan13
Жыл бұрын
@@enlongjones2394 Yup. Very fast. For certain, I hope a new un-set makes a new subgame card for white.
@espio87
Жыл бұрын
I regard The Countdown is at One as the only subgame card that WoTC could make legal and people wouldn't complain because of how fast the outcome is. They would complain about the subgame being too fast. xD
@highlordfenrir
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact about Divine Intervention: This card can cause some wacky outcomes in the Emperor format due to its "spell range" rules, which are cited in DI's Oracle rulings. You can have a win, loss, and draw all in the same game.
@hobez64
Жыл бұрын
Also a shout-out to cards like Invoke Prejudice and Cleanse. Banned from everywhere because, well, the names speak for themselves, and the art and text just makes it even worse
@Zeralop
Жыл бұрын
Banned because of the woke indoctrination of the west then
@fernandobanda5734
Жыл бұрын
While some of the banned cards have questionable names, art and concept, a lot is just context and interpretation. Cleanse in my opinion is the most innocent and did absolutely nothing wrong.
@maxmercurythemm827
Жыл бұрын
Banned because some people cannot separate fantasy from reality. Those people would rather forget history than learn from it. (PS: A reply above my own got banned so KZitem is still silencing some opinions, I expect.) (PPS: And now it's deleted. Beautiful going, KZitem.)
@acksawblack
Жыл бұрын
Funniest one is the crusade card. There is a much more graphic and horrendous card called something like goblin crusade and it’s art depicts a gutted goblin crucified being used as a banner by soldiers yet it’s not banned
@OverlyCriticalAnime
Жыл бұрын
@@acksawblack Also they never banned another card after because of said reasons. It really comes off as a virtual signal.
@Varooooooom
Жыл бұрын
I love the idea of Shahrazad so much. As a former Yu-Gi-Oh player, that game didn’t have nearly as much fun getting impractical and whacky with card effects as MTG did.
@fernandobanda5734
Жыл бұрын
I loved Convulsion of Nature back in the day. :)
@Varooooooom
Жыл бұрын
@@fernandobanda5734 I remember that card making me super hopeful that the game would do more fun, niche antics someday. Sigh 🥲
@SlayerFan961
Жыл бұрын
It's ironic how MtG can send you to the Shadow Realm in a much more practical way than YGO ever could (Frankie Peanuts).
@kennydarmawan13
Жыл бұрын
Regarding Orcish Oriflamme, it would be later power-crept by Goblin Oriflamme for Modern Horizons, which had that card's misprint cost as its actual cost. And since it's made in modern Magic, it's clear the card is fine at that power level.
@drjohnwooberg
Жыл бұрын
It’s a little weird that they thought the misprinted Oriflamme was too strong when Bad Moon, Crusade, and Lord of Atlantis were all also in Alpha. Maybe it’s because the other cards are symmetrical and require you to build around them a little more?
@kennydarmawan13
Жыл бұрын
@@drjohnwooberg different thoughts back then. Thought creatures were too good. Now, some of them were too good.
@matthewkeeling886
Жыл бұрын
With Shaharazad, if both players are playing 4 and 4 Forks you could, with the cards of the time, potentially end up in 8 layers of sub-games (with 1 sub-game suspended for each ready to start immediately upon the last finishing) and that does not even count the primary game. Not to mention that the ones activated within a sub-game are shuffled back into the deck at the end of it, so you potentially have to finish an absolutely colossal number of games before you finally get all of them into the graveyard within the original game, oh, and there is at least one card (Regrowth) around at the time that allows them to be pulled out of the graveyard... Yah, banning this one was probably inevitable.
@RGC_animation
Жыл бұрын
If you have cards that bring cards back from the graveyard, it can be much worse.
@matthewkeeling886
Жыл бұрын
@@RGC_animation I was noting that this is the maximum simultaneous number, cards on the stack don't carry over to the sub-games so 8 activations (with 8 more ready to immediately resolve in suspended games) is the maximum depth of a single chain of activations (with cards of the time, more might be possible now), but even more activations later in each game is still very possible. Even in Arabian Knights at least 24 activations in the main game are possible with Fork and Regrowth (with the number falling off with each sub-game in a stack and with each non-Fork generated activation), just not all as an onion of simultaneous sub-sub-games.
@Illia5
Жыл бұрын
Nexus of Fate got banned specifically on arena because people made games go on infinitely against streamers, and Wizards can't program a timer to prevent it. :(
@fernandobanda5734
Жыл бұрын
Lol
@Silverlightlive
Жыл бұрын
Rukh Egg was banned because at the time, there were no play or draw rules. So you could simply draw your 8, discard to 7, throw the Rukh away, and boom. You've got a big nasty flyer to start turn 2 with. The Bazaar was barely worth anything because people were looking for the Library of Alexandria, and discard strategies didn't start to get explored until 1995/1996.
@TP_Rockstar
Жыл бұрын
I'm also going to mention a weird ban for a weird reason: Bridge from Below was banned because Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis was to powerful. A card that had seen very little serious play in modern, only played in a low tier niche deck got banned because one of the most powerful creatures to be legal in the modern format was printed. Yes, I'm still salty about that. And no, I will not yield until this atrocious mistake is fixed by WotC.
@derekiden448
Жыл бұрын
The secret text of Shahrazad is WW all opponents lose half their life rounded down. It's never a time sink unless an opponent decides for it to be, they can just concede the subgame.
@chillaxbro107
Жыл бұрын
Another good addition to the list would be the number of cards that have been temporarily banned because of glitches on MTGO like the one that causes peoples games to crash (I forget the actual card)
@michaelwoller6450
Жыл бұрын
Consistently high quality videos on frequent output. Impressive
@AllThingsEntertaining
Жыл бұрын
I honestly love it when upstart card games take random broken effects and print them on cards regardless of how stupid it might be. Something like Chaos Orb or Shahrazad in Magic and stuff like Fiber Jar and Victory Dragon in Yugioh are pretty good reasons to play card games.
@Dominator150395
Жыл бұрын
I'm curious, what were you supposed to do with the cards that were already on the field when Shaharazad was played? Were you supposed to leave them there, or stack them up and put them aside? Depending on the answer, table space might have been a bigger concern than time for tournament organizers/card shop staff.
@jasonslade6259
Жыл бұрын
They stay in the main game so yes table space becomes a problem pretty quickly. And even worse - cards like Living Wish and Burning Wish can pull cards from the main game into the sub game, creating a huge headache for remembering what was where (you have to put everything back once the sub game is over). And yes this includes using Burning Wish during the sub-game to grab the copy of Shahrazad that is currently on the stack in the main game waiting to resolve.
@gilliganallmighty3
Жыл бұрын
I used to run a Shaharizad deck, i built on a dare, in my casual group. One game I put 8 copies of Shaharizad on the stack. We played played it out. The game took 7 hours.
@coreyroberson4550
Жыл бұрын
All that about Orcish Oriflamme, but no mention of Goblin Oriflamme, which is a straight-up power creep version that really does cost 1R. Also, I used to joke with my friends about building a deck with 4 Shahrazads, 4 Karn Liberated, and 1 Divine Intervention to make the most soul-crushing play sequence ever of subgame, subgame, restart the game, subgame, draw.
@9adam4
Жыл бұрын
Ante was a neat idea, because it acted as kind of like chess ratings: if your cards were much better than your opponent's cards, then you would likely be anteing a more valuable card as well. But in practice, it's impractical and not fun.
@alicetheaxolotl
Жыл бұрын
WotC: "Shuffling 80 cards is too hard, so we're gonna ban Yorion" Commander players:🤨
@simonteesdale9752
Жыл бұрын
Modern Yorion decks run upwards of 20 fetchlands. They often shuffle every turn. Add to that the fact that in tournaments, you are required to present your deck so your opponent can also shuffle or cut it every time you shuffle your deck, and it definitely slows things down. (Also tournaments have to complete 3 games in 50 minutes) Oh, and Yorion was also causing other issues already: - Yorion decks often homogenized into value piles. - When Yorion was actually played, it led to unfun gamestates (sometimes involving flickerwisp to keep looping it).
@josephwodarczyk977
Жыл бұрын
Dude I have giant spider hands and struggle with my decks. Kids would be terrible.
@griffalo1013
Жыл бұрын
Oh God, it never even occurred to me what would happen with four copies of Shahrazad in a deck, let alone copying shenanigans...
@MinorDemon666
Жыл бұрын
In 1998, while judging a Type-1 (Vintage) tournament, one of the players managed to cast Shahrazad three times during the same game. We had to wait the extra eighty for this table to finish before we could continue with the tournament. Pretty annoying. Fortunately, the storyteller deck (we called it) didn't continute onto the quarterfinals. Nevertheless, the card was also in my "Bad Karma" deck for the longest time also strictly for pissing people off... I can totally see why it needed to be banned.
@alexbrangan2885
Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't mention Yorion's utility as pitch fodder for a free Solitude or Force of Negation. Ironically, the change to the companion rule that nerfed Lurrus in Vintage may have made Yorion stronger in Modern.
@zanis_summers8284
Жыл бұрын
I love how the cards with bad art or names weren’t mentioned when they were literally banned for reasons outside of the game.
@RGC_animation
Жыл бұрын
There's a funny one which the effect is "Destroy all black creatures", you can probably guess why it was banned.
@DreamMorpheus42
Жыл бұрын
Not to mention, if Contract from below were legal you could play 4 of them and essentially play a 56 card deck.
@DaneeBound
Жыл бұрын
Unofficial number 11: Crusade It’s a an enchantment for two white mana whose effect is: “All white creatures get +1/+1” You can probably tell why this card was banned. Not only is this card banned in Legacy, Vintage and Commander; Scryfall intentionally hides the card art on their database and doesn’t provide links to TCGplayer or Cardmarket.
@Barracius
Жыл бұрын
There is a handful of other cards that were banned for basically the same reason.
@the_brutal_king4314
Жыл бұрын
Crusade should have never been banned. I get Invoke Prejudice. But Crusade? No.
@dhanyl2725
Жыл бұрын
Jihad is also a card banned in that off-putting batch of magic banned cards... And if wotc wanted to score woke points by banning those, magic's interpretation of jihad is actually one of the rare interpretations of the word by westerners that doesn't involve suicide bombing, so it should've been fine...
@themantyf1116
Жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the rules, but Contract from Below has the issue that it would be a 4x staple in any Legacy or Vintage deck if it was playable as it is. Because if I understand it correctly it is a part of your deck, so it counts toward your minimum deck size, but removes itself as an effect when the game starts, meaning you are playing with a more consistent deck. Even limited at 1, it turns them in 59 cards deck. It's not as insane as the actual effect, but wizards still wouldn't want it.
@joshbunton6424
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you mentioned the chaos orb story it was a very smart play if it was true
@justinlast2lastharder749
Жыл бұрын
I like the Ante System. Reminds me of the Old School Magic Book "Arena", which is my favorite of Magic Books (with Planeshift, Nemesis, and Chainer's Torment being close behind). When "Fighters" lost a spell match, they'd lose one Spell to the opponent, or in a Death Match the opponent would take their whole Satchel of Spell Amulets minus a Mana Tribute to "The Walker" that ruled that Plane. It was a Great Book and I'd love to see a Garth One-Eye Legendary card.
@jirkau555
Жыл бұрын
Garth came out as a creature in Modern Horizons 2
@HazhMcMoor
Жыл бұрын
Video on the few Vintage Bans sounds cool. Not even ygo ever ban something in traditional format o think.
@fernandobanda5734
Жыл бұрын
The only bans are: -Ante cards -Dexterity cards -Shahrazad (the only subgame card) -Conspiracy cards: These were created for a specific Limited format and don't really work in Constructed because they have zero opportunity cost. -Cards that were banned recently for having offensive names or art Lurrus is the only card to ever have been banned for power reasons, that's why it was a big deal. After the companion nerf, it's now legal again.
@sodajerkgaming2754
Жыл бұрын
I was waiting for KCI to be on this list. Banned for being unpopular to watch on stream
@fugitiveunknown7806
Жыл бұрын
Our FLGS had one employee who had a deck in the early years in case anyone every offered to play for ante, allowed to be dusted off only for someone who the owner never wanted to walk into the store again. It contained 4 Scheherazade (groan) and every ante card, and was around a 120 card deck. The concept was simply to cause your opponent to ante more cards than they had in their deck, with 4 ways of creating games within games. It didn't actually set him back that much at the time since no one actually liked ante and would never play it. As far as I know it was only used in test games as a joke though, it was never actually used to steal someone's deck, just a demonstration of why ante was a terrible idea.
@AnthanKrufix
Жыл бұрын
I Yugioh there's a few cards which if you win the game using, the the effect is that you win the entre set. They got banned not because they were too powerful, but because the card was considered to promote poor tournament etiquette. In Yugioh you're allowed to concede the game at any point. So if you saw that you were about to lose to this card, you could concede before its effect goes off to prevent it.
@akiradkcn
Жыл бұрын
He made a video about it already
@auzziully4538
Жыл бұрын
You should make a video to explain the most convoluted magic play ever- and use every card ever created. :O
@harrybechtle4333
11 ай бұрын
Love how a mechanic potentially violating the law isnt as much a reason to ban it as everyone hating it
@christophermccutcheon2143
3 ай бұрын
That Cauldron FAmiliar thing is worse online too cos not only are you forcefully passing priority back and forth, your opponent is likely doing some kind of infinite combo with it. So you're not doing this once per turn. Unless you concede, you're probably gonna spend the next 5 minutes just passing priority. You'd stop playing Arena right then and therre.
@jcbbb33
Жыл бұрын
An honor roll mention probably could be the Sensei's Divining Top ban in legacy...it was banned for making the games take too long in legacy because of top's interaction with counterbalance
@Bluecho4
Жыл бұрын
Shahrazad is also notable for being one of the cards illustrated by Kaja Foglio, currently known for her and her husband Phil's webcomic _Girl Genius._
@callmeinstead
Жыл бұрын
Shahrazad is a really dope card if you've read "1001 Arabian Nights"
@mikepaul5332
Жыл бұрын
I still have my deck with 4 Shahrazad (with Panoptic Mirrors and other copy effects) and a Divine Intervention. Also ran a bunch of effects to remove cards from the game, as at the time I made it, cards removed in the sub game stayed removed.
@allanflores1077
2 ай бұрын
Chaos orb: I think the followup joke was the guy lost the match cause immediately after he ripped up his card he was deck checked and was playing with an illegal deck short one card of the minimum.
@GrampaSheevie
Жыл бұрын
Princess Twilight Sparkle also has an effect to draw the game, or rather, have "everypony" win. It's silver bordered though.
@TheJacklikesvideos
Жыл бұрын
Rukh Egg without errata today would not hit the board from mill or discard, because the rules text is only active on the battlefield unless otherwise stated or implied (a stated example would be panglacial wurm, which reads "this card from your library." an implied example would be madness, which is a discard trigger. since cards are discarded from the hand, it would be meaningless if it were not active there.). for the unintended effect of Rukh to be actual under modern comprehensive rules, it would have to intended with the explicit text "enters the graveyard from anywhere." as a side note to old formatting and all this, there were instances where they misworded discard instead of sacrifice, so in another reality madness would have been confusing.
@fernandobanda5734
Жыл бұрын
This is just hypothetical though. "When ~ is put into a graveyard" period doesn't exist in any card, there's no precedent to say that it would or wouldn't work. Abilities implicitly work "how they should" when moving or checking a zone, just like how Bloodghast's ability only works in the graveyard *because* it mentions it returning from the graveyard.
@chaoticklutz3633
Жыл бұрын
If you do 4 copies of Shahrazad and 4 copies of Nefarious Lich as they all stack on each other, you end up with the equivalent of "I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream"
@BrotherAlpha
Жыл бұрын
15:00 ... I've been since Alpha and I once played a subgame of Shahrazad in a subgame of Shahrazad. The card was banned in our local play group that day.
@SwiftrunnerXXY
Жыл бұрын
a yet further reason that Shahrazad was banned: when a game goes to time, technically speaking you're supposed to play five more turns - finish the current turn, then the next four (two for each player). So. If you cast Shahrazad, and then while resolving the subgame, the game goes to time, it's four more turns in the subgame before everything ends in a draw, right? Wrong. Because you're TECHNICALLY still in the middle of resolving Shahrazad, you have to *completely finish the subgame* to even finish the FIRST turn of "going to time". Add on the fact that back when Shahrazad was new, the "four-of rule" hadn't been added yet, and so there was a very real worry of people showing up to tournaments with decks consisting of nothing but Plains and Shahrazad, nesting subgames upon subgames upon subgames that would take hours to complete A TURN, let alone a full game? Yeah, Shahrazad got banned and banned hard.
@800mls
Жыл бұрын
Yorion being ban definitely was also power level related for modern.
@irou95
Жыл бұрын
Cauldron familiar is just straight up broken. It's shown in every winrate metric. The card singlehandedly removes combat from your opponent and with devil it's an autowin mode. The combo was the best deck in historic for a long time (now nerfed) and is still a major player in pioneer. In standard there wasn't much you can do against it. Plus it's also way too good with trail of crumbs.
@baconsir1159
Жыл бұрын
I’m guessing the “too many triggers” thing was also why they created the Toxic mechanic for All Will Be One. I’m pretty sure it’s literally just Poisonous, but not a triggered ability
@Liliana_the_ghost_cat
Жыл бұрын
I wonder how unbanning ante cards could alter eternal formats. After all, while they wouldn't use their ante-related effects, they would remove themselves from the deck meaning that they basicaly thin your deck by themselves. If you played a 60 card deck with 53 ante cards. You would have a guaranteed 7 card starting hand... which would be degenerate. Maybe that could be fixed by only allowing a few ante cards to be legal for 56, 52 or 48 card decks, making them a more litteral "reduce your deck size by X" than Upstart f cking Goblin from yu-gi-oh. That would be wild
@tychoMX
Жыл бұрын
I informally did that back in the mid 90's. We had "non serious" decks (really, none of our decks were good) that we didn't mind losing cards from, so they were stacked with all the bulky stuff that dealt with ante. Contract was the best of course. But the funny thing is that it did change things if you removed all them - the deck went to 52 cards or so, so about 10% more consistency on drawing what you needed.
@fernandobanda5734
Жыл бұрын
When a card said that you should remove it from your deck if you're not playing for ante, it was BEFORE presenting your deck, like a deck building restriction. It doesn't mean "exile this at the beginning of the game".
@Liliana_the_ghost_cat
Жыл бұрын
@@fernandobanda5734 oh... thanks for the info
@deeterful
Жыл бұрын
There are only nine cards with the Ante mechanic. Which makes a total of 36 total for a deck. But how could you unban them whilst not using the mechanic? It’s a nonsensical proposition.
@yoav.kats6328
Жыл бұрын
Nexus of fate should definitely be on the list, it was banned only on magic arena and only in bo1(standard was the only constructed format on arena at the time) the reason for it's banning was that back then you wouldn't time out like today so if the game reached a point where only Nexus is in your library it was possible to cast it infinitely (or until the opponent concede).
@mawhit1176
Жыл бұрын
The ban on marvel was sound mine won like 70 to 90% of the time even against bad matchups, and yorion was banned to curb control decks (people hate control especially good control shells when I counter a spell turn 1-2 I usually get a scoop on arena) which is also why they didn't give us an esper triome.
@petersb324
Жыл бұрын
Lutri, another companion card, was banned in EDH as soon as it was announced because it was too easy to include in any commander deck using UR
@jirkau555
Жыл бұрын
Second Sunrise, Faith's Reward and Sensei's Divining Top - all banned for time reasons, the first two specifically because of the "eggs" deck, the last just for slowing down the game in gereral
@dylansylvester4719
Жыл бұрын
The more important question about divine intervention isn't about it being banned. Its about why wotc decided it was a good idea to print a card with the phrase "the game is a draw" on it.
@CharuzuAutomatonArtificer
Жыл бұрын
As someone who has played against cauldron familiar/witches oven... I'm glad it's banned
@theofftaskforce6546
Жыл бұрын
Emrakul was the main target for Aetherworks marvel. Ulamog replaced emerakul after she was banned.
@AxiomofDiscord
Жыл бұрын
Chaos Orb counter play is called Scotch Tape plus walls.
@bradleyhoward9638
Жыл бұрын
Nexus of Fate was banned on arena due to time constraints but not in paper.
@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena
Жыл бұрын
Outside of tournaments Divine intervention pretty much reads you win the game. Though imagine someone pulling off a Divine intervention in a cEDH game as it is legal in EDH it would be funny and if you are doing a best of 3 and already won 2 might as well go for the cheap win as you win the match if everyone draws then or pulling it off twice in a row after winning legit once now that would be funny. Like seriously i see it being a good best of 3 card if you can cheat it out early and your opponents don't counter spell or you out counter them and it is a high priority counter as it does not matter how you remove the last counter the game automatically ends in a draw when it has no more counters. So again if you already won and are doing a best of 3 games might as well draw thus securing you the match
@KnightmarePhoenix_official
Жыл бұрын
That Chaos Orb story is insane
@TheRedGauntlet
Жыл бұрын
Lurrus so insane that got banned in vintage lmao (i know that is because of other facts besides pwoer level, but is still really funny)
@Xylarxcode
Жыл бұрын
For a card to eat a ban in a format like Vintage, it's gotta be nutty. Like he said in the video, pretty much everything is supposed to be allowed in Vintage, save for the ante cards. The fact that a relatively modern card like Lurrus managed to find its way to the banlist even in Vintage should tell you a lot about how nutty that card really was. Just goes to show you that even today, after all they've learned, they still make a big 'whoopsie' from time to time.
@simonteesdale9752
Жыл бұрын
Lurrus specifically was banned because restricting the card would do exactly nothing to hurt it. Lurrus's ban was 100% about power level.
@kinginthenorth1437
Жыл бұрын
Shazzarad has been banned for so long everyone just accepts it's on the Vintage banned list. I've seen a solid arguement that it could be unbanned as you have the option of conceding the sub game and WW for a sorcery that deals 10 damage isn't particularly good, especially in the decks that would want to stall for time.
@darkalman
Жыл бұрын
Honorable mention: Second Sunrise Banned because it allowed for combos with 1 or 0 cost artifacts that would just take too long to resolve
@yanncatt
Жыл бұрын
when I first learned about Shahrazad I thought it would be fun to play but I learned how annoying it could be
@hallaloth3112
Жыл бұрын
I thought Cauldron Familiar was more banned because it went infinite too easily. . .if they're citing the triggers it caused as why it was banned. . .then I could argue a whole lot of other combo decks with an absurd amount of triggers on the stack that should be looked at. I've a deck or two on Arena I won't play with my husband because of the triggers.
@christophermccutcheon2143
3 ай бұрын
Rukh is a phonetic spelling of the word Roc, which is a fantasy bird. Pronounced the same as the chess piece; Rook. Not 'rock' as a lot of people mispronounce.
@hunterstrong3318
Жыл бұрын
Speaking of companions, how bout lurti, the only card to be banned in a format before it hit the stores for being a free card in decks
@7Alberto7
Жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@ti83magic
Жыл бұрын
KZitem recommended this to me. Your voice sounds incredibly familliar... World of warcraft perhaps, could that be?
@nosrin1988
Жыл бұрын
a new version of contract from below could be cool. just make it 7 draw, OR 8 draw but you exile the first one! 1 mana though is still bonkers. make BB or BBB.
@fernandobanda5734
Жыл бұрын
You're crazy. Drawing seven cards is an insane effect. Anything under 6 mana is pushing it. BB or BBB is just complete insanity.
@nosrin1988
Жыл бұрын
@@fernandobanda5734 eh. fair. maybe 4 then.
@beckeliasson8465
Жыл бұрын
BRUH I KNEW IT WAS THE DUEL LOGS AND I WAS SO CONFUSED.
@algotkristoffersson15
Жыл бұрын
4:41 couldn’t they have specifically banned it as a companion, then also limited it, that way you would be allowed one copy but that copy wouldn’t be allowed to be your companion, and we wouldn’t have completely broke the formats most basic rule to fix it.
@TCG9777
Жыл бұрын
:55 and yet.... THEY MADE IT
@drearydoll6305
Жыл бұрын
Shahrazad does sound like something i d be happy to spam.
@awwkieb3864
Жыл бұрын
The Cauldron familiar ban is pure bullshit imo. I wanted to make a golgari food+sacrifice deck in historic but I had to give up when I found out familiar was banned :|
@anannoyedpanda
Жыл бұрын
Nobody likes the cat.
@awwkieb3864
Жыл бұрын
@@anannoyedpanda I like the cat >:(
@ashluckhurst2840
Жыл бұрын
I think the ante cards had to be banned, not only because of ante itself not working, but that each says "Remove this card from your deck if you are not playing for ante." Wouldn't this allow you to run them in a deck, but remove them before a game when you "discover" the rule, and let you play under the deck limit?
@fernandobanda5734
3 ай бұрын
That's not what that line means. It just says to not use the card, it doesn't allow you to reduce the minimum deck size.
@ClexYoshi
Жыл бұрын
huh, I thought this list was gonna have Invoke Prejudice on it. This channel could use the spice of talking about why the Klu Klux Klan needs to burn.
@gerardlacroix6015
Жыл бұрын
I had a funny deck with Lurrus. With o,ne card to discard everything on top of your deck until you reach a card that is not a land. One land which lets you sacrifice a creature to draw, and a creature for 2 which, when put into a graveyard, will inflict as much damage to a player as there is land cards in your graveyard. And 70+ lands in the rest of the deck. Stupid deck. But funny, once in a while.
@mikenogen
Жыл бұрын
YO THIS GUYS ALSO HAS A MTG AND A POKEMON TCG CHANNEL TOO???
@tinkerer3399
Жыл бұрын
Also a D&D channel and I think another one. Although it's worth noting that he doesn't script all of them, he is the narrator for other writers on non-YGO things. He actually hadn't played MtG until recently.
@ARTandRpodcast
Жыл бұрын
Is it bad that I want to see shahrazad un-banned. Given the nature of the game almost requires land delving your deck at this point, this card would cripple so many decks for the sub game.
@chancylvania
Жыл бұрын
Manalogs how long have you been playing magic? I thought we did a stream over on duel logs of you playing magic for the first time not long ago?
@fernandobanda5734
Жыл бұрын
For context, he doesn't write these videos. He just narrates them. Check the description: "(Just a note, we have people who actually know the game very well making the scripts for this channel. As the owner of the channel (Theduellogs/hirumaredx) is a total newbie to the game.)"
@chancylvania
Жыл бұрын
@@fernandobanda5734 oh ok thanks. I don’t read the descriptions often lol.
@Prince_Eva_Huepow
Жыл бұрын
What about Under The Table card?
@Fadeways
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact about Yorion: It cost $3 pre-ban, much less than most Modern staples.
@seandun7083
Жыл бұрын
Presumably because you only needed 1
@nosrin1988
Жыл бұрын
That Chaos Orb player actually did this constantly if I recall, until one judge finally said NO.
@mrechannel2023
Жыл бұрын
I heard the Chaos Orb getting torn up story from Bruce Johnson at Neutral Ground.
@Fausto_4841
Жыл бұрын
Best defense against chaos orb is tape your cards to a wall.
@Yakuo
Жыл бұрын
TYSM
@munchrai6396
Жыл бұрын
Aetherworks Marvel is the sort of card that I don't think Konami would ever ban. A cheesy win condition with terrible consistency would only ever be put to one at best and honestly, I think that's good enough most of the time. A little sacky cheese is perfectly healthy for a card game
@fernandobanda5734
Жыл бұрын
It's important to note that only Vintage restricts cards. In every other format, it's either 4 copies or 0 copies.
@NateTmi
Жыл бұрын
yet u can still play cauldron familiar in MTGA historic but they made an A only change so it can't block
@helfiswelf
Жыл бұрын
Ante was great as a kid, where I could win a lotus from someone. Bring back ante now.
@dragonmaster613
Жыл бұрын
Not suprising what #1 was going to be
@yangboy123
Жыл бұрын
Couldnt you Tap Oven, create a Food, sac Food, return Cat, Drain then repeat?
@fernandobanda5734
3 ай бұрын
The Cauldron has to tap so you do do that but only once per turn cycle.
@Kylora2112
Жыл бұрын
.hack//ENEMY had a similar card to Shahrazad called Net Slum that was one of 3 cards to get banned (one made it so you couldn't play the game [a field spell that prevented field spells and monsters from being played], one was an easy infinite loop that let you +1 your board while your opponent would constantly sacrifice cards [the card was play 3 cards or sacrifice 2, and if your deck wasn't built for this, you couldn't keep up], and one was. Net Slum was an Event card (basically a sorcery) that cost Level Up! cards to activate. Level Up! cards (and cards that required them) were given to players for participating in tournaments; each tournament you entered and match you won got you more experience, so being good got you more levels and more cards (and you were restricted by your actual level in the tournament system as to how many Level Up! cards you could play). Net Slum had players use their discard pile as a new deck and play a sub-game to 2 points (a standard game of .hack went to 7), but Net Slum decks were designed around turboing through your deck rather than building a board. .hack had you reconcile your hand size to 5 during the draw phase, and your entire turn was playing one card, doing what it said (or attacking with a monster), then it was your opponent's turn. So, a deck that was built around vomiting out junk monsters to quickly dig through your deck for 2 Net Slums (you could Net Slum in a Net Slum), your opponent wouldn't be able to really do anything because it's unlikely they'd have monsters in their graveyard, and since you needed to be level 8 to pull it off, it was pretty toxic to new players. Fun game though :)
@donutthepop5297
Жыл бұрын
As a yugioh player, having the card game makers just ban a bad strategy because it’s unfun is something I want to preach to Konami
@IEpixlyFail
Жыл бұрын
Dont like playing against mystic mine?
@hehehenyxnyxnyx
Жыл бұрын
@@IEpixlyFail Play OCG lmao
@hehehenyxnyxnyx
Жыл бұрын
They banned self-destruct button because it's an abuseable stall decks, that they can retry the game until either the playe rans out of game or you succeed using a slow OTK card.
@IEpixlyFail
Жыл бұрын
@Nyx Assassin I dont really enjoy playing yugioh that much, just like seeing how much more broken it is than mtg lol
@akiradkcn
Жыл бұрын
Eh... some of these MtG bans for me looks like WoTC is even worse than Konami at balancing the game....
@puffer_frog
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact about Shahrazad: Shahrazad was written as the narrator the 1001 arabian nights. The story goes that she was the King''s wife but commited adultery against him and was sentenced to death. However, the king allowed her one more night to live and spend time together. And in this time, Shahrazad told him a story that was so interesting he listened to her till dawn, to which she stopped as there was no time to continue the story. And so, the king allowed her another day to live and in the next night, she would continue her tale but with increasingly exciting stories and ending them in the same cliffhanger way which the king continued allowing her to live to tell her tales for a 1001 nights. Kind of reflects the card, which the player is doing what she does - delaying the inevitable
@tcoren1
Жыл бұрын
She wasn't actually the original wife of the king, at least in the version I read. The king executes his wife, then declares that each day he will marry a new woman and execute her the next morning (since he no longer trusted women). This goes on for a while until the scheherezade, the daughter of the wazir tasked with providing the wives, volunteers herself as the next bride
@tychoMX
Жыл бұрын
Major flavour win, awful game mechanic.
@cuttlefish6839
Жыл бұрын
@@tychoMX I like the mechanic but yeah its not a healthy card unless your play group are all on board
@arachnofiend2859
Жыл бұрын
@@cuttlefish6839 I can't imagine what group would be on board with it outside of a group that is going for the record for longest game of cards played
@TheGreaterGrog
Жыл бұрын
Way back in the 90s, I saw a local tournament where both players had a copy of Shahrazad in their deck. Both played it in the same game, so there was an 'empty' game, and the first subgame next to it, and then a second subgame next to that. I think they had only gotten back to the 1st subgame with time was called. I also appalled all my friends at college with the worst combo in magic: "Panoptic Mirror, imprinting Shahrazad".
@Folfire
Жыл бұрын
Chaos Orb was banned for using the imperial system.
@Bobhope99
Жыл бұрын
You mean the official system of the moon and Mars? Earth is the only body in the solar system that uses metric.
@markusspecht5041
Жыл бұрын
Neither mars nor moon use the imperial system right now cause there’s no one there.
@gaugea
Жыл бұрын
@@markusspecht5041 according to YOU 😒
@DeeJy33
Жыл бұрын
these replies are cooked, what are youse even on about
@Bobhope99
Жыл бұрын
The only people who have been to or sent things to another body in the solar system did it with imperial measurements. When metric puts something on another planet, then maybe it should try to pretend it is the better system.
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