I’m a Mormon and I have been told my whole life to stay away from this information. I was told it was evil and created by wicked men. I found this video to be the exact opposite, informative, factual and respectful. Thank you. I need to think things over.
@AndrewWiscombemusic
6 жыл бұрын
I think it's important to not deny yourself of your truth. If it keeps you in the church, good for you. If it leads you away, good for you
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
Where is your response? I asked you 6 months ago, what's the hold up?
@meganl41
4 жыл бұрын
I hope you stopped drinking the kool-aid @JClarKent
@dr.options
2 жыл бұрын
Now you understand why they didn't want you to think freely and seek independent information.
@djadams7795
Жыл бұрын
look at all these hateful idiots. This video is garbage 🗑️. It's a bunch of lies. Idiots believe bullshit everyday.
@wyominghorseman9172
9 жыл бұрын
The truth does not fear investigation.
@peterpiper7441
9 жыл бұрын
Wyoming Horseman Exactly right. Even mormon leaders have said this: "If a faith will not bear to be investigated; if its preachers and professors are afraid to have it examined, their foundation must be very weak. George A. Smith, early LDS leader, [Journal of Discourses, vol. 14 p. 216 (1871) ]
@robertallison107
9 жыл бұрын
Peter Piper Such is the case in Islam, also. Muhammad has been scrutinized by folks OUTSIDE of Muslim circles and found to be "non-prophet", by all accounts. Joe Smith has NEVER been found to be anything CLOSE to a prophet by anyone in independent investigations. They simply say that he "claimed" to be one....
@B2BCreditandCollection
9 жыл бұрын
+Wyoming Horseman Yes, and theism does
@peterpiper7441
9 жыл бұрын
Robert Allison There is an interesting book by Henry Caswell from the 1840s where Smith was said to go to bars in Iowa, across the border from Illinois, and after getting drunk, he would repeat, "I am a P.R.O.F.I.T."
@robertallison107
9 жыл бұрын
Peter Piper Such a situation should NOT be surprising. Smith was a pagan in every sense of the word and he proved it continually. He was never really true to God, but he sought what fallen man has always wanted---money and power OUTSIDE of God's will. His legacy was deception and his destination was hell....
@zekidan8284
6 жыл бұрын
Lol I like how this videos title makes it seem like he is gonna defend mormonism but really he is just debunking, gotta catch as many mormens as posible lol
@bartonbagnes4605
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Lies are regularly used to deceive the gullible, for example, why do they continue to declare no archeological, linguistic ect. exist, when each has been found. Except for DNA, which proves the Bible false if it is used to "prove" The Book Of Mormon false, for the Bible says that Israel was scattered to all the isles of the sea. So the DNA has to be there, but indistinguishable from any other DNA.
@foreverozone
2 жыл бұрын
Biggest Mormon problem is the Internet. (mic drop)
@godsoffspring4195
2 жыл бұрын
You must be kidding. A person who wants to learn proper 'mormonism' can now learn in months what would take many years otherwise before the internet. It has sped up membership tallies over the years. You must be confusing all the fake news on the internet as being a problem, when in fact, it's only a problem to those who fall for it, not the Mormons. Most of the fake news found on the internet has always been around well before this digital time. So proportionately, there is no new problems for you to embarrass yourself with by dropping sensitive electronics on the floor. :>)
@foreverozone
2 жыл бұрын
@@godsoffspring4195 Thanks to the Internet. I was able to learn Joseph smith was convicted of scamming people out of money as a youth for pretending he could find buried treasures. I learned he sent men off on missions then married their wives. He took wives under the age of 18. Many. He told several conflicting first vision accounts who’s means he’s a bad liar. Can’t even keep his sort straight. I would be embarrassed to be Mormon today. You do realize how we all see you as non critical thinkers and possibly delusional. Right?
@godsoffspring4195
2 жыл бұрын
@@foreverozone ..... "You do realize how we all see you as non critical thinkers and possibly delusional. Right?" No worries how you see it. What's important is..... what is.... what was and will be. Like I said, the fake news you have stupidly espoused goes to show what you see means nothing to me or the Mormons. That would be like worrying what woke numbskulls who think men are women and women men if they want to be, think about those who know better. :>) Maybe you can cough up with the "many" under age wives Smith "took" when it's actual he had only one earthly wife. You dopes don't understand or admit that he was simply sealed to others as wives in the after life. How old do you think they would be by then?? You fake news bandits are a real hoot. Dumb as coal. While you're burning rubber at that, maybe you can also cough up with actual fact he married other's wives in an earthly capacity while they still married to other men. I've been following this old crap for years and nobody ever has. It's all fake news and you are just another nutter. Lastly..... maybe you can provide any intelligent input showing I'm a Mormon....... "you guys" Did the internet tell you I'm a Mormon?? LOL.... :>)
@richardholmes5676
Жыл бұрын
Think again.
@gregoryglavinovich9259
6 ай бұрын
@@richardholmes5676Anunnaki created a lot of the religions
@angelikaskoroszyn8495
5 жыл бұрын
Top ten pranks that went too far?
@jonathanalexander9562
4 жыл бұрын
About 190 years too far...
@bouillonjules2
4 жыл бұрын
Excuse me??!! I was sexually abused in the Hyde Park branch of their organisation!!
@ikilledthewendigo4745
4 жыл бұрын
@@bouillonjules2 I'm sorry that happened to you .
@highlandparkgeneraldetroit7715
4 жыл бұрын
😝
@bossendenwoodconvict
4 жыл бұрын
@@bouillonjules2 Hyde Park London, or Hyde Park Sydney?
@deskjockie4948
5 жыл бұрын
#10, which talks about the temple penalties, reminded me of the first time I went through the temple My husband and I were converts and I was seven months pregnant with our first son. You may imagine my feelings when I was instructed to pantomime slashing my abdomen. I was never truly comfortable attending the temple after that, though as a good Mormon, I tried. I have now resigned my membership and feel as if a huge monkey has been lifted from my back. There really is life after Mormonism.
@jettabear1988
4 жыл бұрын
You have to resign? You can't just leave?
@richardholmes7199
4 жыл бұрын
WHY are you STILL avoiding the fact that the EGYPTOLOGISTS were DEBUNKED?
@meganl41
4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholmes7199 why are you avoiding the fact that your "prophet" lied to you?
@meganl41
4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholmes7199 do you follow the "prophet" Warren Jeff's as well?
@richardholmes7199
4 жыл бұрын
@@meganl41 Lied to me about what?
@alaskaismyhome39
5 жыл бұрын
LDS is all BS! My chains are gone, I've been set free!
@godsoffspring4195
5 жыл бұрын
Free to do what??
@alaskaismyhome39
5 жыл бұрын
"Free to do what?" Your comment makes little sense in response to my own original statement. I was freed from the lie of Mormonism - I'm not sure where the question of what I will DO with my freedom came in...But let me explain how freedom works since you seem unclear on the concept: Once a person is FREE, they can do whatever they want. Personally, I have used my freedom to denounce Mormonism and become a Christian.
@godsoffspring4195
5 жыл бұрын
@@alaskaismyhome39 ….. "Once a person is FREE, they can do whatever they want." Interesting. I don't know any LDS Christians who can't do what they want. Seems it's you is confused with freedom. In fact..... any committed Saint I know is doing exactly what they want to be doing. It's apparent you also don't know what a Christian is. Another fact...… Mormons accept Jesus Christ as their only Saviour and that is the core definition and actuality of a Christian. Freedom is not a concept. :>)
@alaskaismyhome39
5 жыл бұрын
@@godsoffspring4195 Actually, Mormons are NOT Christians. They have drastically different teachings that are in direct conflict with Christianity, The Bible, and the true Jesus. Mormons don't even believe the Bible is the infallible Word of God and call it "mistranslated". Mormons believe their Jesus was the product of Elohim's physical sex with Mary - this not only makes Mary an adulterer, but it also makes the Mormon Jesus a bastard. Christians do NOT believe that. Mormons believe in varying levels of salvation, which is a concept Jesus NEVER spoke of and goes against the Christian teachings of salvation where everyone who is saved is saved, NO ONE IS MORE SAVED THAN ANYONE ELSE. Mormons believe in baptisms and temple work for the dead, something they say is mandatory for salvation, however, NO WHERE in the Bible does Jesus mention these rituals. In fact, the only time baptisms for the dead are mentioned is in Corinthians when Paul is discussing a pagan cult that practices that ritual. Mormons are not free to do whatever they want. Mormons cannot question the teachings of the Mormon cult, Mormons cannot advocate a Christian church's teachings publicly. Mormons are discouraged from doing research about Mormonism. Mormons are not free to eat and drink what they want. Mormons are not free to go to Christian churches and worship (repeatedly doing so will result in excommunication, according to the Bishop's handbook). The list goes on and on. You don't know what a Christian is if you believe Mormons are Christians. For example, Muslims and Jews also feature a character named Jesus in their books, but they are not Christians. It is WHAT you believe about Jesus that makes you a Christian or not. Since Mormons believe that Jesus is the literal brother of Satan, that He is insufficient for salvation, and that He is an entirely separate god from "God the Father" - AND that there are gods without number (making Mormons polytheistic *see Isaiah 43:10*), they are decidedly UNCHRISTIAN. Not to mention the Bible repeatedly condemns following false prophets, the criteria of which is found in Deuteronomy 18: 21-22, and yet Mormon prophets (most especially Joseph Smith and Brigham Young) consistently made false prophecies. Mormons have so many manmade doctrines that detract and contradict the Bible. They worship men and lies instead of Jesus. Oh yeah, and Jesus is NOT a Mormon's "only savior", since Mormons teach that you must DO other things in order to gain salvation. If you must believe in Joseph Smith as a prophet, the Book of Mormon as "god's word", do temple work for dead people, and pay 10% of your income, then you are NOT saved by Jesus's grace alone. Mormons are no more Christian than Muslims. I highly recommend you do some research on the following things: - Kinderhook Plates Hoax. - The Book of Abraham Translation. - The Salamander Letters. - The MANY anachronisms in the Book of Mormon. - The contradictory historical, anthropological, and archeological evidence to Mormonism and the BoM. - False prophecies of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. - Joseph Smith's criminal record and polygamy. - Biblical contradictions. And most importantly, you need to read the New Testament. You clearly know nothing about it if you advocate Mormonism...And you clearly know nothing of Mormonism.
@alaskaismyhome39
5 жыл бұрын
I am free from the lie of Mormonism, and I really don't care if you want to believe that lie or not - that's YOUR business and YOUR decision that YOU answer for...I've told you the truth, which is MY responsibility as a Christian, the truth is there for you to accept or deny. However, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you about it all day. I'll just leave you with this: It is FAR easier to believe a wicked lie that makes you comfortable, than a life-saving truth that challenges your whole world. You have the choice to be spiritually strong or spiritually weak. All I ask is that you do a DETAILED search into Mormon history - after all, as one of your beloved General Authorities once said, "If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by research...if we have NOT the truth, it OUGHT it be harmed."
@foxtrot312
5 жыл бұрын
Bishop " where is your tithe?" me " here it is, you have to see it with your spiritual eyes"
@booboobearsugarbear9109
5 жыл бұрын
Lmaooooooo
@legacy756
5 жыл бұрын
That is just the type of language the witnesses use regarding the BOM however in his interviews they state very clear that they did see the golden plates as you see other physical things.
@robrodgers3965
5 жыл бұрын
fox trot 027 AWESOME 👏 LOVE ❤️ IT 👍😎
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
That ''spiritual eyes'' crap is from your anti-Mormon christian crowd.
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) youtube''. That video DEBUNKS the EGYPTOLOGICAL CRAP that the ANTI-MORMONS were GULLIBLE enough to have bought into.
@daylonVFX
5 жыл бұрын
they’re a few things i’ve learned going to the LDS church, i’m not baptized, however one of the most shocking things that doesn’t get much exposure i’ve learned is that LDS church’s believes the Garden of Eden happened in modern day Missouri, this isn’t something i just googled either this is something I learned in gospel principles class
@kelliintexas3575
Жыл бұрын
Yep!! They are INSANE!! QUOTE: "the whole earth was paradisiacal before the Fall. The Garden of Eden was a center place. After the Fall, there was no Garden of Eden or paradisiacal status on earth. Yet relative to the locale of the site of the Garden of Eden, the Prophet Joseph Smith learned through revelation (D&C 57) that Jackson County was the location of a Zion to be and the New Jerusalem to come. The Prophet first visited Jackson County, Missouri, in the summer of 1831. The Prophet visited Jackson County again in April and May 1832. On one of the occasions, or perhaps both, the Prophet Joseph apparently instructed his close associates, and perhaps even a general Church gathering, that the ancient Garden of Eden was also located in Jackson County..." Brigham Young stated, “Joseph the Prophet told me that the garden of Eden was in Jackson [County] Missouri.” (Journal of Wilford Woodruff, vol. 5, 15 Mar. 1857, Archives Division, Church Historical Dept., Salt Lake City.)
@katdiggory5501
Жыл бұрын
I’ve lived in Utah with Mormons for almost a year and been going to church and I’ve never heard of this. It’s crazy!!
@dano8613
10 ай бұрын
@@katdiggory5501most modern Mormons you'll find know very little actually. I talk to many members of the LDS church and her is what I found. 1) if they are an older member they will admit to essentially trying to be Equal to God but if they are about my age group and younger they will laugh it off and argue that I'm making it up. 2) they have no idea that Smith married a 9 year old and those that do will try and justify it. 3) most have no idea that the church was racist! Up until about 1978 they pushed the belief that blacks were cursed with the mark of Cain, they will argue with you even after you show them articles written with interviews of church leaders. So just because you haven't heard this don't let it fool you, the church has been changing and hiding things from the beginning. People have always known Smith was a fraud and not a Christian,we have public records to back up all the claims against Smith & scripture to support the fact that Mormonism is a cult with false prophets and not from God. God don't lie and if Mormonism contradicts God's word then it isn't fun God
@jonjuliecat
4 жыл бұрын
Two wives probably means two mothers-in-law. Discouragement enough.
@gunnerlawts
4 жыл бұрын
Not to mention nagging in stereo.
@racerx4152
4 жыл бұрын
this reminds of a very funny spaghetti western where this cowboy is going to marry this other man's two daughters. The father asks him (the stranger) to pray with him and his two daughters. The father say's something like- lord thank you that this man is going to work really really really hard. When he opened his eyes at the end of the prayer., the stranger was gone and nowhere to be found
@corneliawissing7950
4 жыл бұрын
No, it doesn't. One simply marries the two extra women as well, so it means 4 obedient wives.
@louistournas120
4 жыл бұрын
@@racerx4152 LOL. That's a good point. In a marriage, it isn't just about fucking. You have to work to take care of the house, the car, the lawn, your PC, your tools, sewing machine, TV, and so on. Or if you can't do it, you buy new stuff but you lose money. You bring in another guy to do the job and you lose more money.
@tac3016
4 жыл бұрын
😆🤣🤣
@keepredmondred
5 жыл бұрын
As a former Mormon, nice review. Very accurate.
@godsoffspring4195
5 жыл бұрын
Accurate in what way?? Half truths on your best day??
@gunnerlawts
5 жыл бұрын
Steve, how inaccurate are my 8 refutes? Got anything of substance to say?
@hogorina5460
5 жыл бұрын
NO SUCH THING AS A MORMON !
@keepredmondred
5 жыл бұрын
@@hogorina5460 What planet do you live on?
@JoeSmith-pk5tc
5 жыл бұрын
@@hogorina5460 No such thing as an honest mormon, but there are plenty of mormons.
@shearwatersoil1
5 жыл бұрын
Proverbs 30:5-6 "Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar." This scripture should let people know that any sect that misinterprets, twists, adds to or subtract from the canon of the authorized Bible, is heretical and cannot be considered true. 2 Peter 2:3 "But false prophets also arose among the people, "Just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words."
@pingaspingas1519
4 жыл бұрын
All correct. And the Lord has the authority to give new scripture to his prophets, as he has in modern times.
@joshuaboehner4652
4 жыл бұрын
The Bible is a fairytale in itself, it's all horseshit
@tgphlaicke
4 жыл бұрын
Quesion for you - "of the authorized Bible". Which authorized Bible? Does the Tindale Bible agree with the King James Version in all regards and do both of them agree with the New American Standard? The Catholics have two additonal books, is theirs the authorized Bible or is the one without the two additional books the authorized Bible? Was there one forbidden tree in the Garden or two, some Bibles (KJV) mention a Tree of Life and a Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil and some only mention a Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil and Omit a Tree of Life. And those are just some of the problems with English language versions. Does the King James version agree with the King Louise version (French)? Your statement is either disingenuous or demonstrates a profound lack of knowledge of the Bible and its history.
@kenziek6707
6 ай бұрын
@@tgphlaickeYou really shoudl learn the basics of what you are talking about. "Which authorized Bible?" The Authorized version is called the King James version, you would someone who pretends they are a biblical expert would know the most basic things such as that wouldn't you Mormon? I detest the king James Bible it is too error ridden with mistranslations which Mormons also copied into the book of Mormon (even though according ot he fable it was supposedly written long before the king James existed) Like the "bow of steel" which Joseph Smith was far too stupid to realize was a metaphor and is in fact, a mistranslation the Hebrew word which that verse was translated from uses the word for "Bronze" not steel " Does the Tindale Bible agree with the King James Version" Mostly,. " Was there one forbidden tree in the Garden or two, some Bibles (KJV) mention a Tree of Life and a Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil" You dont know what you are blabbering about Mormon., Karl Buddes book is not any version of the king James bible. As bad as King James Onlyists are Mormons are 10 times worse pretending they know things they dont. "King Louise version" LOL!!!!!!! Uh you might want to try to get the spelling right moron, there is no such thing as the "King Louise version" no need to get into how they were translated as it uses big words which you couldn't read or spell correctly. There is no such thing as a Mormon Biblical expert.
@johntuffy5721
5 ай бұрын
religion is a mental illness
@Glrk10
8 жыл бұрын
Joseph smith was the 19th century L. Ron Hubbard
@mader348
8 жыл бұрын
you're ignorance is showing
@gunnerlawts
8 жыл бұрын
And ignorance is not knowing that Mormon starts with a capital, imbecile.
@gunnerlawts
8 жыл бұрын
So you explained that no capital 'M' is a mark of disrespect? I have not seen that, and challenge you to identify your past post that does this. Otherwise, you have been caught lying again. While you are at it, tell us which religion you are on the payroll for? Imbecile. I take meds for diabetes and blood pressure. Which one am I needing more of? LOL!
@EarlFaulk
8 жыл бұрын
You can give LRH credit for one thing. He was not a total horndog using religion to get his jollies. However, he was incredibly abusive to the people around him and was a paranoid schizophrenic.
@gunnerlawts
8 жыл бұрын
Who cares wha LRH was, or was not?
@zachgarver7922
6 жыл бұрын
I was married to a Mormon for nearly 25 years, and though never baptized, I accompanied her to the Church services as regularly as a member. I listened twice to the missionary discussions, and was struck by how they would almost immediately push and try to persuade investigators to get baptized. This is in contrast to the Catholic Church for example (no fan of that institution either) that requires a prolonged study period. Over the years it became clear to me why the missionaries and others operate this way. They want you to make the commitment while the information seems at least plausible, and before you learn their really bizarre doctrines and dogma. Believe it or not, the information presented here, though accurate, only scratches the surface in describing how weird this church is. The Mormon Church has one thing in common with most religious institutions, that is they each claim to uniquely possess a divinely revealed word, and if you unquestioningly follow them, and never apply reason or critical faculties, they will show you eternal life. Where Mormons (and a few others) are different is that first, you have to give them 10 percent of your income for the privilege of receiving their nonsense, and secondly, their history and doctrine, because it is historically relatively recent, is so verifiably bullshit.I for one am bitter about the amount of time I have spent on beautiful Sunday mornings when I could have been hiking in the mountains, but instead was in a brick building with a bunch of sheep singing crap like "praise to the man," and "we thank thee oh god for a prophet..." But I am free now!
@johnlee1352
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for staying out...you only would have weakened the church.
@deskjockie4948
5 жыл бұрын
@@johnlee1352 Your comment is a great example of the cultish behavior of demeaning those who don't agree with them.
@claudiachurch4285
5 жыл бұрын
divorced ?
@johnlee1352
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for staying out...we don't need your weakness and confusion.
@throughthewoods416
2 жыл бұрын
Good for you man - I'm 100% with you. Mormonism truly is an example of 'if you can think of it, people will believe it'.
@thomashogan16
6 жыл бұрын
Fair and clear. As a Catholic I thank you for presenting these issues so I can understand them. There is no anger here, or disrespect as I can tell.
@claudiachurch4285
5 жыл бұрын
there is for your pedophile church
@mcloward1
4 жыл бұрын
@@claudiachurch4285 wow complete disrespect for no reason at all. This person was not rude or awful in their comments at all, why did you feel the need to be?
@claudiachurch4285
4 жыл бұрын
@@mcloward1 I did not see myself as rude or disrespectful , I was merely stating facts 500,000 thousand children raped , young woman having their infants ripped away from them for forced adoption and then being labeled 'whores',money laundering in the Vatican bank , the Nazi rat line that helped war criminals escape to South America , when did facts become rude or a sign of disrespect ?
@mikelopez8564
Жыл бұрын
@@claudiachurch4285 no one should ever defend crimes or even sinful behaviour of people, regardless of who they are. In fact, shine a light on it wherever you can. At the same time, I hafta question your “facts”.
@claudiachurch4285
Жыл бұрын
@@mikelopez8564 Then I suggest you look up the hard cold facts , thousands of children have been molested by priests , all over the world they don't even stop at the disabled like the infamous case of Murphy who abused over 200 deaf boys , the pope and the bishops would not allowed him to be punished , they just moved them from one place to another their is no Catholic Church its just a big pedo ring with a bunch of gay priests fact check uptil now 500,000 children raped world wide they are ALL going to your catholic hell
@Annie261.
5 жыл бұрын
I love the fairy tale about the rotating barges.
@michaeltaylors2456
5 жыл бұрын
Why isn’t there a Utah boat dealer named Tight Unto A Dish ?
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
Oh goody. A couple of stupid comments.
@mr.hansholmes2367
5 жыл бұрын
@@richardholmes7199 You never heard about the barges?!!
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
@@mr.hansholmes2367 Are you talking about the stupid anti-Mormon version?
@mr.hansholmes2367
5 жыл бұрын
@@richardholmes7199 How can it be Stupid AND Anti mormon?
@ElderJoseph
10 жыл бұрын
I attended the LDS church during 2005-2007 and since then I've noticed an accelerating rate of Mormon Videos done by current church members and former church members highlighting the problems of the LDS claim to being the truth and especially the book of Mormon's historical claims. I've seen more LDS Bishops quitting and now some doubts creeping at higher levels of church membership like the recent Swedish Rescue attempt. I'm glad I'm not LDS trying to defend it, in the face of overwhelming evidence refuting it. That's why I never got baptised despite 'feelings' of finding home and feeling the spirit. It wasn't real in the end. disappointing. My comments shouldn't reflect negatively on the many sincere LDS members I met along the way. They were a privilege to know and associate with and I do miss them.
@MrMessageWriter
10 жыл бұрын
I think the reason for proliferation of videos since then, is because of A) youtube and it's like, and B) proliferation of computers since 2005, which are capable of editing video, and making video, C) Proliferation of high bandwidth internet connections.
@ElderJoseph
10 жыл бұрын
Mrmessage Writer Yes but what I mean is more and more LDS church members seem to be leaving including Bishops and they themselves posting videos and things. I originally started posting videos for answers wondering if I have somehow been misled by non official LDS sources. I didn't really expect to see what looks like a huge exodus bubbling. There has even been a recent Swedish rescue for disaffected LDS members and lots of Firesides happening trying to address certain issues. It's sad in a way because I like Mormons and kind of wish it was really the true church. I thought, perhaps hoped I might get my tough questions answered eventually but it never happened.
@MrMessageWriter
10 жыл бұрын
***** As a former member myself, there wasn't this information available to me. I just was lucky that I am a skeptical as hell bastard. The only reason I joined in the first place, was because I had been kicked out of the Lutheran church for asking questions. The LDS missionaries said I could ask questions, and that it was the expectation. I liked what I saw when I chatted up LDS folks, they seemed happy. I guess they can just be happy without any evidence. Anyway I was lucky, I got through to the Temple to see what the whole show was about. *YAWN* Seriously some hand symbols and a special name which is literally drawn out of a hat for you? Only children should fall for that. After the Temple I became inactive. These videos should help dissaude people from joining up with the LDS Church, and hopefully will lead more people to Atheism.
@matwarner
10 жыл бұрын
I could answer your tough questions. The gospel in the lds church is so emence it is not easy if you suddenly try to make sense of it, it dose take time, it can raise more questions than answers but the answers are there and are pluasable and make perfect sense in the end. matwarner@yahoo.com
@richardholmes7199
10 жыл бұрын
Mrmessage Writer Atheism? NOPE. Am not Atheist myself. If it wasn't mainly for the LDS church and what I know I might possibly have been Atheist or something like it. Am actually not a Religious person by nature. For years I only went to church to catch that buzz (The same feeling that we all felt when we were all up in heaven in the pre-existence before we all came to this earth (2nd estate) to the here and now ) and did not show up for the lesson though.
@warrenmoore4743
7 жыл бұрын
I left the church at age 19 just through basic research. It was difficult. I loved my ward and the members. But the Church is so EASY to debunk, that I'm always bewildered members don't leave in droves.
@godsoffspring4195
7 жыл бұрын
"But the Church is so EASY to debunk......" So you debunked the hearts, minds and love of a universe of souls?? Interesting Warren. Guess you never learned what GOD means. I can see why you are still bewildered. :>)
@warrenmoore4743
7 жыл бұрын
+truthseeker staats don't give me that line of bull
@godsoffspring4195
7 жыл бұрын
Why would members leave in droves knowing what God is and GOD means and...... knowing which is God's most biblical , spiritual and rational church?? What bull??
@warrenmoore4743
7 жыл бұрын
Oh cut the crap.
@godsoffspring4195
7 жыл бұрын
Wow Warren, That's some pretty in depth debunking you have go'in on there. :>)
@myspiritualife
5 жыл бұрын
I grew up mormon and MAN this video is such a huge eye opener. I happened upon this video when I was in the process of questioning/leaving the church and this video helped me so much. I am now happily exmo and even make my own videos about exmo life and opinions. Thanks for such an amazing and well researched video.
@godsoffspring4195
5 жыл бұрын
Your comment doesn't make much sense. If you grew up Mormon, then why is this video such an eye opener?? Seems to me, either you should have known about any true things said here or..... you weren't aware of something this video claims to be accurate...…. because it's not accurate?? Or...… you just never researched your own church?? I would think those who grow up in their own faith should easily know all about it. No?? What surprises you?? :>)
@deskjockie4948
5 жыл бұрын
@@godsoffspring4195 These issues are not talked about in church, and members are discouraged from investigating anything other than what the church lesson manuals teach. I was a member for 40 years before I learned about the "rock in the hat" method of "translating" the Book of Mormon. I still shake my head at my blindness.
@godsoffspring4195
5 жыл бұрын
@@deskjockie4948…… Weird, I've never been a member of any Mormon faith, heard about the stone many years ago from members and have known many Mormons who investigate many things outside and inside the LDS faith including JS's seer stone. I think you are confusing being discouraged from investigating negative anti Mormon sites with reasonable sources. Although..... it is true the seer stone is not your everyday teaching in Sunday school for a very good reason. Probably for the same reason it's not discussed much how a donkey can talk, how Jesus walked on water or the staff of Moses became a serpent. Even the superstitious Christians are quite tight lipped on those kind of things because explanation evades them. That doesn't mean it never happened. Yes?? :>) What do you mean..... "the "rock in the hat" *METHOD* of "translating" the Book of Mormon." ?? Nobody knows the method the Lord used to energize the seer stone. How come some Mormons knew of the seer stone 40 years ago and you never until years latter?? I don' t buy the never investigate crap and even Mormons gossip within the culture. :>) What have you been blind about ?? I look at it this way...… all mystery aside with the many things gossiped, misunderstood and lied about Joseph Smith …… how come a supposed womanising, glass looking con man read and taught properly what the Bible does when every other Christian faith lies about many things taught in biblical scripture?? Starting with what God is and what we are.
@gunnerlawts
5 жыл бұрын
@@deskjockie4948 Jock, I (like Staats) am amazed at how naive you have been for so long. So, the rock-in-hat threw you? What would you like to know more about it? You seem to think there is something wrong with it; let's try something new? - thinking about it. First point of logic - does a book from God stop being from God if it is translated by any implement or method the world has never used? (I presume you have stopped believing in it.) I will stop asking questions and just detail the reasons why this implement and the hat were used, and let you do some thinking. Smith was supplied the urim and thummim to translate, which was a large and distinctive object that could not easily be hidden when enemies came a knocking, so he was allowed to use two objects he could leave lying around, right under their noses, and not have them confiscated (also the reason the plates were left in hiding - originally placed on the table). He had very poor English and zero Reformed Egyptian knowledge, so had to have something, including educated scribes, however, that something was not restricted to worldly translating tools because even the world could hardly translate Egyptian, and had absolutely no idea what Reformed Egyptian was. Smith needed some way that worked in his situation. He was left to just reading, but it is probably hard to read writing on a rock if text is illuminated from it. My phone screen is almost impossible to read when I am walking around in daylight, so I look for dark places. I have often found none, so take my hat off and shade it. There is nothing silly about it - it just works. One final consideration; the bible warns against straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. May I suggest you are guilty of it? - The rock-in-hat method is your gnat, and the plethora of lies about the restoration is your camel. BTW, no gnats are discussed in church, and members are encouraged to investigate beyond lesson manuals (seek out of the best books). I'm pretty sure you haven't done much of that, and relied on your once a week lessons. While you can shake your head at your blindness, try shaking at your naivety, gullibility, stupidity, and most likely - disobedience? You know what I mean.
@goodgirlkay
5 жыл бұрын
@@godsoffspring4195 for someone who claims not to be Mormon, you are zealously defending the religion and Joseph Smith....
@laughman7357
3 жыл бұрын
Instead of BoM he put BofM. Which made me read it as "Book of fucking Mormon"
@djadams7795
3 жыл бұрын
SYFH Must mean stomping your fkn head.
@shawnmcaraphy5973
7 жыл бұрын
D&C 42:22 "Thou shalt love thy wife with all thy heart, and shalt cleave unto her and none else." LDS website 2017: "Joseph Smith married multiple wives." (Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo)
@dchazfan
7 жыл бұрын
He had 34 adulterer of the first degree
@cliftongaither4613
3 жыл бұрын
i was raised mormon , but ive been an atheist as far back as i can remember. my mother is 100% mormon all her life . yes , im like 4th generation mormon my family actually were part of the mormons traveling from east to west in this country. in other words, my family has been mormon since the beginning of the religion. i am indifferent to be proud of that . mormonism teaches hate and bigotry and racism. it is a terrible institution that it's members have no clue of the undertone of their religion and if they do they sweep under the rug or just completely deny it.
@rogeratkinson592
6 жыл бұрын
PT Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute."
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
Does that fit you? Yes, of course. As you were GULLIBLE enough to have trusted anti-Mormon Christians.
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
p.s. The above video is from anti-Mormon Christians.
@WhereWhatHuh
5 жыл бұрын
@@richardholmes7199 These points are proved within Mormonism's own sources. Don't trust the "Anti?" Then read for yourself. Ask your Bishop about the Toronto Prophecy, and then ask how you can know if revelation comes from God or from the devil. I dare you to ask.
@daveyjones9930
5 жыл бұрын
@@richardholmes7199 Your fearless leader, Russ Nelson COMMANDED YOU MOEMONS to STOP USING the word "MORMON", yet you're STILL DOING IT!!---just like US non/anti MORMONS!! WHICH demonstrates how much you REALLY "follow the prophet"!!
@daveyjones9930
5 жыл бұрын
@Mike Siler "test"?? Care to elaborate?
@puertoricanboy100
9 ай бұрын
Your faith with God is not the same as your relationship with your Church
@derekbootle8316
Ай бұрын
Very true. Church is real, evil but real. God is not real.
@williewilson1206
2 жыл бұрын
So in other words Joseph Smith is a liar 🤥 !
@ralphwiggam7630
Жыл бұрын
He lied continuously, habitually, his entire life :(
@djadams7795
Жыл бұрын
No the video is full of Kafka
@ralphwiggam7630
Жыл бұрын
@@djadams7795 Name one thing in it that is wrong?
@djadams7795
Жыл бұрын
@@ralphwiggam7630 i can name a ton of things wrong.. No wonder your comments are shadow banned, feckless one.
@ralphwiggam7630
Жыл бұрын
@@djadams7795 If you can "name a ton of things" ...should be easy for you! Name just one lolololol 😂😂😂
@gregcox6165
6 жыл бұрын
most of my friends left the mormon cult yet still cannot discuss it. It's very difficult to acknowledge the lies you formerly believed in so it takes time to heal. Mormons need love and patience. Ex-mormons need tremendous help because the've usually lost all faith and hope once the've acknowledged the lies. They are hurt and feel duped and victimized.
@claudiachurch4285
4 жыл бұрын
well just dont despair , you can drink now , take drugs , screw anything that walks, so many ways to heal yourself , I wouldn't worry about it
@mutestingray
3 жыл бұрын
@@claudiachurch4285 thanks Claudia, very cool.
@mutestingray
3 жыл бұрын
The unfortunate thing is that most of these people become (understandably) disillusioned with religion all together, often leading to a “spiritual vacuum”. Lack of purpose, community. It’s a terrible situation.
@dodgermaven
10 жыл бұрын
If you're investigating the LDS church, stay as FAR away from it as possible. I was born into the covenant, and this church tore my family apart. Many Mormon apologists will claim that this video is false, but can never really refute the evidence clearly laid out in this video.
@peterpiper7441
10 жыл бұрын
You said it far more clearly and succinctly than many other people.
@dodgermaven
10 жыл бұрын
Peter Piper Thank you. I can't stick my head that far up my ass to believe in this book that have been disproven so much. I understand enlightenment makes some people uncomfortable, and that's why the Mormon Church focuses so much on converting others from Latin-America and Asia, where a lot people are uneducated. I have nothing against Mormon people. They are the victims in this case. There are many Mormons that are smart people that are brainwashed to believe this stuff.
@peterpiper7441
10 жыл бұрын
AnxietyMisfit All too true. I have nothing against Mormons either, but when you start to look into Mormonism there are just too many things that don't add up. This video covers quite a few of the issues, but by no means all of them.
@Rypaul5217
10 жыл бұрын
True, but needless to say, a lot of Mormons already know that it is not what it claims to be, but stay in the Church to be socially acceptable, to keep ties with family and friends. It is only when believing in the lie becomes too much, and obvious that Joseph Smith faked everything that they decide to change their lives. But as soon as they decide to question the religion, and its leadership, they find out what the real problem is. The LDS leaders and the die in the wool members do everything they can to cast guilt upon them and fault them for their questions and convictions, which is to say that it is the "15" who rule on top of the organization is what controls the mind of its members down throughout the chain of command, with fear and retribution, pompous authority figure, and with moral indoctrination. After all the church is the only true church and the only means for salvation to get to become a god someday. Of course, nothing is further from the truth. Mormonism is a polytheistic religion. It has the same control over its converts as any other Christian cult out there. Its sad.
@dodgermaven
10 жыл бұрын
Rypaul5217 You're right on the money I couldn't have said it better myself.
@nataliekay286
3 жыл бұрын
Joseph was doing psychedelics and had a crazy trip lol
@djadams7795
3 жыл бұрын
Moron
@John-st7bf
3 жыл бұрын
@@djadams7795 now is that anyway to be Christ like?
@djadams7795
3 жыл бұрын
@@John-st7bf lying is not Christ like. I told the truth. Idiot!
@John-st7bf
3 жыл бұрын
@@djadams7795 dude your such a liar, telling the truth you? When hell freezes over. Dude you do not show the fruits of the Spirit by insulting others with malice and hate. Your only condemning yourself
@djadams7795
3 жыл бұрын
@@John-st7bf No dude. You got it all backwards. You are the incessant liar who has terrible grammar and cannot spell!
@2326038
4 жыл бұрын
The Similarities of Muhammad and Joseph Smith (Islam and Mormonism) - Each claimed to be visited and guided by an angel. - Each was allegedly given visions. - Each was told that no true religion existed on the earth. - Each claimed to be sent to restore the long lost faith as the one true religion. - Each had a book produced from his teachings claiming to be “inspired by God.” - Each claimed to be illiterate or uneducated and used this as proof the book was inspired. - Each claimed the Bible was lost, altered, corrupted and unreliable. - Each claimed his new holy book was the most correct and perfect book on earth. - Each claimed to be a final prophet of God. - Each claimed he was persecuted because of his pure faith. - Each was a polygamist who had many wives. - Each borrowed from paganism/polytheism. - Immediately after their deaths, fights broke out from among the “faithful converts” as to who would succeed the deceased prophet. - Each of their religions has those who follow the “original doctrine” and like both Muhammad and Smith, have exhibited violence, are polygamists, and have claimed “spiritual revelation” to justify evil actions. - Both Islam and Mormonism claim to hold strictly to the path of their founders yet they are at least partially led by progressive revelation. (“New” revelation always replaces older revelation that becomes inconvenient to the current leaders.) - Islam and Mormonism each sanction deception - even lying about their doctrines and true intentions - for the good of the cause of their religion. In Mormonism it is acceptable to obfuscate on one's affiliations and beliefs to non-Mormons and to new Mormon recruits under the 'principle' of “milk before meat.” In Islam, Surah 4:142 of the Qur'an clearly teaches the practice of of deception for the good of Islam. These are the Islamic edicts of “Kitman,” which is half truths meant to mislead an infidel and “Taqiyya” which is complete deception to subvert and deceive unbelievers. - Neither Islam or Mormonism offers true salvation and a path to eternity with God.
@godsoffspring4195
4 жыл бұрын
…. www.ericbarger.com/islam.mormon.htm Maybe 10% facts and 90% bad opinion. When you quote other's text, you should indicate so. LOL.... :>)
@gunnerlawts
4 жыл бұрын
@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope, you have used that four or five times, already. You guys have got nothinng new.
@2326038
4 жыл бұрын
@Ralph Wiggam He lies, big time!!!
@2326038
4 жыл бұрын
@Ralph Wiggam But he's good for a laugh, don't you think? I mean when you go at him I damn near bust a gut. Please Mr. RW, can I keep him for a little bit longer? Pretty please? LOLOL
@gunnerlawts
4 жыл бұрын
@@2326038 Fool, while you're having so much fun, your eternal joy is at grave risk. And the good thing is - I don't have to do anything; you send yourself to hell.
@bluewolf993
5 жыл бұрын
So who else believes these gold plates never existed?
@2326038
5 жыл бұрын
Most likely even most mormons do but are too brainwashed to admit it.
@godsoffspring4195
5 жыл бұрын
@@2326038…. I do. :>)
@2326038
5 жыл бұрын
@@godsoffspring4195 Being from the Northern Interior, it doesn't surprise me. :)
@godsoffspring4195
5 жыл бұрын
@@2326038…… Oops, I misspoke. I read wolf's post wrong. I meant to say...… I don't. I don't believe the plates never existed. I believe they did and they do because the scriptures, Christ's own words, the holy Spirit and God given common sense have shown me so. So people from the north interior are dumber than you?? Is it the food up here or the weather or something. :>)
@2326038
5 жыл бұрын
@@godsoffspring4195 Me too, Ooops. I should have written the mormons" in the Northern Interior". Moose meat ain't that bad. :)
@StarlightEater
5 жыл бұрын
What idiot would ever believe that people sealed themselves in barrels with bees as a means of travel?
@StarlightEater
5 жыл бұрын
I can see that. I don't know a single person that attends any type of religious service without it being an obligation to a (generally much older, thus, respected) family member. All the young people figured out it's just a scam to fleece you for 10% of your earnings to subsidize a priest/preacher/rabbi/imam goin out n fuckin. The church requires a certian perverse lifestyle where you just pretend your kids don't have that rape trauma 1000 yard stare and just tell him to pray on his nocturnal emissions and join the marines.
@Ryno-fp7pm
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's a doozy.
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
Anybody going to admit the EGYPTOLOGISTS and those who supported them have been DEBUNKED, proven STUPID?
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
p.s. It does not say the Jaredites brought bees to the new world in the Book of Mormon.
@kalebtrejo3388
5 жыл бұрын
@@richardholmes7199 🤣🤣🤣
@sionnachmacbradaigh1010
4 жыл бұрын
The fact that a hat-gazing con-man is the founder of such a powerful religious movement is mind-blowing. This is why it is important to promote critical-thinking in our schools.
@gunnerlawts
4 жыл бұрын
Sion, if you can prevent your mind from exploding, consider the success as someone's far more capable? Hint :- look at it's name?
@Number4lead
4 ай бұрын
It isn't the first time this has happened.
@671homey
4 жыл бұрын
South Park did a great documentary on Mormons.
@gunnerlawts
4 жыл бұрын
I love the dumb dumb dumb song.
@lloydmunga4961
4 жыл бұрын
This video is smart smart smart smart smart
@hannahsamson2178
6 жыл бұрын
I left the church because of this video, thank you
@georgebauerschmidt5289
6 жыл бұрын
+hannah Samson AMEN! The Holy Spirit is working in your life now.
@renasdean8075
5 жыл бұрын
All the fact are not true. Fx. There is DNA, archaeological evidence and much more.. this videi is all twisted and based on false facts.
@renasdean8075
4 жыл бұрын
@Ralph Wiggam I can personally my self prove that these claims are taking out of context, that some are false and show new scientific discoveries that proofs this. I have done many times before, while a served as a missionary, but I've come to find out that even when 10 questions are answered and debunked, another 10 will then come up, and again and again always. There is no point in debating or arguing or proving anything. If you are interested in just a few explanations, you could read these short facts I found for you: latterdaysaintmag.com/10-things-the-devil-does-not-want-you-to-know-about-the-book-of-mormon/#.XhM0nZv_TJk.facebook If you want an explanation on many other anti mormon stuff that are on the internet,, I can recomend reading this free PDF file I found, that gives a response to a guy who published many many antimormon stuff and compiled it into in one book. Some years later a guy came up with a respons to every sentence from that book, debunked it sentence by sentence. Here it is: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=canonizer.com/files/reply.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjV3pzD1_PmAhVSrosKHYuzBUkQFjAOegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw059GDWE3PmH_NVoACmbsB_&cshid=1578475535518 I believe this is what you were looking for, but even when all these antimormon stuff are debunked, I've come to experience that all these fact won't have any impact whatsoever. The only way you truly can come to know for yourself is by praying to Heavenly Father to come to know if it truly is true. I bear you my testimony that I personally know that the Book of Mormon truly is ancient records written by ancient prophets. I know the book is true, and that Joseph Smith translated it with the power of God. I know that Jesus Christ is the saviour of the world, and that he died for you and me. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/?lang=eng
@bumpty9830
4 жыл бұрын
@@renasdean8075 "I've come to find out that even when 10 questions are answered and debunked, another 10 will then come up, and again and again always." That sounds frustrating. Sounds like the people you're talking to have already made up their minds and aren't interested in learning new information. I can relate to that. Are you open to new sources of information about the LDS church, or have you already made up your mind?
@bumpty9830
4 жыл бұрын
@Ralph Wiggam I was born into the Church of the Almighty Dollar. Believed Capitalism was a good idea for the first three decades of my life. When I figured out I'd been scammed, I became fascinated by _the way_ I'd been scammed. The psychology of it. Turns out, for psychological purposes, I was in a cult. Now I like to help other People figure out that they're in cults. So, uh, "Marxist" I guess, if we're doing labels. I also answer to "progressive," "Berniecrat," "post-capitalist," and "dude who sure as shit has something to say." :)
@BFDT-4
5 жыл бұрын
Can Masons fake their way into the Mormon CK? ;)
@jeffs4483
2 жыл бұрын
Every potential Mormon cult convert needs to watch this first.
@djadams7795
2 жыл бұрын
Or they should just take a Dookie on your head. Bwahaha 😂
@djadams7795
2 жыл бұрын
The pope's sucking the devil's 8==D
@SilverSunPublishing
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent and well researched info -- thank you! I grew up in Utah in a non-Mormon family, and always felt like an outsider there. Eventually, my 2 brothers converted and married in the church. They raised their families to only converse with, and befriend, other Mormons. They only listen to Mormon music, read M literature, etc. When I stayed with them for a few weeks, they hardly spoke to me, and discouraged their children from speaking to me. If they think this kind of exclusionary action makes people want to join their church they are mistaken. They are truly trapped in a brainwashing cult, but because it makes them feel "special," they cannot see how much they have been duped into spending so much of their time, effort, and money on a huge con job that has nothing to do with True Spirituality.
@godsoffspring4195
5 жыл бұрын
Hmmm...…. what is true spirituality??
@godsoffspring4195
5 жыл бұрын
@Ralph Wiggam… That was really, really dumb Ralphy. Maybe you would like to explain what true spirituality is and make yourself more useful than that sad post. Sheesh.... what have you been dong these last few days or so Wiggy……. just get out of stupid school?? Hey..... does one have to be baptised to understand LDS doctrine.....Or..... does one understand the doctrine of baptism and the very reason they know they should get baptised?? Yep..... stupid school fer sure. Ha, ha, ha.....
@godsoffspring4195
5 жыл бұрын
@Ralph Wiggam…. I've never wanted to be part of your cult Ralphy. Nothing ignorant about that. Although I do understand it is wise to be part of Christ's most accurate church. That ain't your church or cult Ralphy. Sure I can explain Spanks. I already know why one should get baptised and become one with the Latter Day Saints and Christ's church instead of your little private cult. Jesus told us why and is also LDS doctrine. I don't need your idiotic rant judging my smoking habits effecting understanding LDS doctrine. Good Gawd Spanky you are a nut and a half. But I don't mind changing yo messy diapers for you on a daily basis. :>) John 3 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
@godsoffspring4195
5 жыл бұрын
@Ralph Wiggam….. " You are the one that admitted that my church is a "cult" That's right Ralphy. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not your church nor is it a cult. "Christ's most accurate church"? What exactly backs up that claim " For starters Spanks.... they teach the scriptures properly and what God is. Of course you wouldn't know that. The list is miles long to be exact and you really don't have the attention span or the honesty. "Why do you have to lie?" I don't. Besides your own dopiness, that's your worst enemy Ralphy. Ha, ha, ha....
@gunnerlawts
5 жыл бұрын
@@godsoffspring4195 Hi Staats, can you figure out what is going on with probable blocking for me? I am still unsure if Dark Wing is just lying, or I am blocked, yet see my own posts on the blocked sites? The banter with Avenged is on this video site (about 36 replies) - Eric Lawton 2 weeks ago Here's one Avenged has sent that didn't appear - Thanks. I might just join this conversation, in the meantime.
@juuliariihimaki6696
Жыл бұрын
I have nothing to do with the LDS church but have lately been really interested in the history of mormonism and have watched hours of documents to learn as much as I can. This is by far the best video I've seen on this topic, truly great work.
@godsoffspring4195
Жыл бұрын
So if you've only watched hours of documents, how do you know this video is truly a great work??
@djadams7795
Жыл бұрын
@@godsoffspring4195 he really has no clue. He is CNN fake news.
@richardholmes5676
Жыл бұрын
Paul Gregersen debunked the arrogant Egyptologist crap presented on the above video.
@andrewdennis0
2 ай бұрын
Same here. I've been binging videos on the church's history and Joseph Smith. This religion is oddly fascinating.
@joelnilespeterson
9 жыл бұрын
AN EXCHANGE BETWEEN A MORMON AND CHRISTIAN MORMON = M CHRISTIAN = C M: You’re a liar. C: What did I lie about? M: Everything. You’re a liar. C: Can you give me a specific? M: Everything. C: Come on, just one example so I can defend myself M: You are a son of the Devil, the Father of all lies. C: Did the Devil lie to Adam and Eve when he said they could be gods? M: No. He told the truth. C: I’m confused. If he’s the father of ALL lies, why do you believe him? M: He lied about everything else but that. C: Why did he tell the truth about that? M: You’re anti Mormon and a persecutor. C: Doesn’t your Book of Mormon say I belong to “the whore of the earth”? M: Yes, and it’s true. C: Didn’t Joseph Smith say that Jesus told him that all I believe is an abomination in His sight and that I am corrupt? M: Yes. So? C: How does defending myself constitute persecution? M: Because you lie. C: About what? M: Everything. You’re evil. C: But I put my faith and trust in Jesus Christ. M: Oh yeah, that Biblical Jesus who thinks He’s God incarnate. C: You don’t believe that? M: No. And in your heart you don’t either. C: Don’t tell me what I believe. I thought you Mormons believed in the Bible? M: Only “as far as it’s translated correctly” C: And where is it not? M: Wherever it disagrees with Joseph Smith. C: So it’s Smith over the Bible? M: He’s Gods Prophet. C: Not in my thinking. M: You’re a liar. C: What did I lie about? M: Everything. C: I need a shower.
@williep7706
9 жыл бұрын
August Zabriskie That is absolutely sad!!! Absoluetly!!! So Smith Supersedes the Bible no surprise there! Thats why he could be a sexual predator and take 14 year old girls as wives and take other women from their husbands!!!! Yeah that's a prophet for you!!! Ephesians 5:22-33speaks of the relationship between husbands and wives. When referring to a husband (singular), it always also refers to a wife (singular). “For the husband is the head of the wife [singular] … He who loves his wife [singular] loves himself. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife [singular], and the two will become one flesh....Each one of you also must love his wife [singular] as he loves himself, and the wife [singular] must respect her husband [singular].” While a somewhat parallel passage,Colossians 3:18-19, refers to husbands and wives in the plural, it is clear that Paul is addressing all the husbands and wives among the Colossian believers, not stating that a husband might have multiple wives. In contrast,Ephesians 5:22-33is specifically describing the marital relationship. If polygamy were allowable, the entire illustration of Christ’s relationship with His body (the church) and the husband-wife relationship falls apart. None of the Apostles ever took several wives right?
@joelnilespeterson
9 жыл бұрын
Willie P Nailed it Willie. But you know by now that it makes no difference at all what the Bible says unless they can take it out of context to "prove" their unique doctrines. And yes, it's very sad. They pick a fight with Christianity and then call us persecutors when we defend ourselves. Never forget who threw down the gauntlet at the foot of Christianity. It was Joseph Smith. Through him came the most evil name calling you can imagine. "Whore's, of the Devil" and so on. That is historical fact but do you think the Mormons see it? Blinded by darkness they ignore that it was they who attacked Christianity and Christians long before Christians said a word. But listen to them here? We are the evil aggressors attacking without provocation. How dare we disagree with them. Here's the deal Willie. They believe they are the Elite of God while the rest of us wallow in ignorance. Try this on for size:They are literal children of God and a Goddess. They have the monopoly on all truth.They will become gods with their own planet and children.They will become Supreme Beings.They are "chosen ones" of God to bring forth the gospel They are the smartest people on earth and some say the best looking.They were, if they're while, valiant spirits in the "pre-existence"They have superior scriptures.Oh heck, I could go on and on but you get the idea. One of the things I had to come to terms with when I left Mormonism was that I was just another sinner with nothing special and nothing in my hands to offer God. That's quite a fall from the above god in embryo. Well, got to run to work.
@williep7706
9 жыл бұрын
August Zabriskie Thanks for the info August I didn't know that. And didn't know you were a former Mormon either so that helps.. talk at ya later Brother God Bless ya!!
@gunnerlawts
9 жыл бұрын
August Zabriskie Nice try at making us look as though we are in it to be superior. It is your warped viewpoint. Mormons preach to the world better than Christianity has ever done, but not out of superiority, out of God's help. If we thought we were superior, we would not want to convert the whole world. If we did not have God with us, we would be as bad as Christians at it. But it does not stop there. Mormons spend much of their accumulated wealth building temples so that nobody in the world misses out. By the end of the millennium we will have given all the necessary saving ordinances to every person who came to earth. Contrast this to Christians who say to hell with the bulk of God's children. They miss out. These actions alone disprove your vile accusations. You like to have nothing in your hands to offer God. You love your money more than God, and you can't pay tithing. That is my guess at why you select a cheaper alternative. No $20 knock-off can replace a Rolex. You won't fool God. At your age, you have little time left to continue doing so.
@williep7706
9 жыл бұрын
August are all Mormons this ignorant? Really? There are 100,000's of Christain missionaries all over the world? There are countless Christian Ministries that are feeding the poor and clothing them and sharing the Love of Jesus and talking to them about why Jesus came to die on the Cross to Save people from their sins? There are countless Churches including my own that has 3 different church locations the 3rd to open soon and we have soup kitchens to feed to poor and several churches take turns doing what's called "Christ Net" where we house the homeless for a week and rotate them to a different church to keep them from dying during the winter? I have been on mission trips to Haiti feeding people in Haiti and seeing many of them come to Christ and seeing miracles happen by the power of God to save a whole family from dying when there was no hope? So August do tell me are many Mormons this naive and ignorant? I in fact have a Christian Brother in Christ who has went to prison in China where the Gospel is illegal to share but he shares it anyway in code by reporting back to the States talking about fishing trips b/c u can't talk about Christ so u have to speak in parable type letters to fool the gov. So I have no idea what these Mormons are talking about when there are 1000's of ministry that are doing Gods work by going out and sharing Jesus the Love of Jesus on a regular basis. My Church does it and many others talking about the Love of Christ… Anyways and u know why I ignore naive speaking people who have no clue of what is going on.. Oh wait I forgot.. Mormons know what you are thinking right now? I wonder if they know what I ate tonight like God the Father knows what I ate or what i'm eating right now? Since they claim omniscience and i have had them claim they know what i'm thinking.. they should know what my meal is right now that God has continued to bless my family and feed us.. But they are not like God the Father b/c they are nothing but men.. and will die like men.. But God like God said in the Bible there is none like Him and there we be none after Him.. so i'm going to continue to ignore the most naive fools out there…. I guess the Christian that was beheaded by ISIS the 21 back about 4-6 months ago that screamed the name Jesus right b/4 he was beheaded wasn't in love with Jesus either right? What person do you know dying by beheading crys out the name of Jesus like Stephen when Stephen was stoned in the book of Acts? Seems like to me that the man that screamed Jesus' name while being killed for the Faith knows what it means to die with the name of Jesus on his tongue just like Stephen and the guy was not a Mormon but a Bible Christian last I checked.
@levlev.1028
5 жыл бұрын
Sitting here in Utah watching the church crumble. In the next 5-10 years it will crash and burn, I'll love it...
@ericlawton4264
5 жыл бұрын
fps_iron, in the next 5-10 years the whole world might crash and burn. You will wish you were LDS.
@levlev.1028
5 жыл бұрын
@@ericlawton4264 hahahahahahahahahahahahah but yes, you are damned right. The whole world will be trashed and burning, and you'll be wishing you had read the books of Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah and Revelations
@tim4505
5 жыл бұрын
I'm an ex-Mormon and ex-Californian now living in SLC. I'm their worst enemy lol, Bring.them.down.
@daveyjones9930
5 жыл бұрын
I'm also an enemy of Mormonism, and I don't believe the LDS church will crash and burn completely. There will always be hardheaded LDS zealots who refuse to give it up. (I call them "Packerites", in honor of their patron saint, Boyd K. Packer!) What I see happening in the next 20-30 years is LDS Inc. will become as irrelevant as RLDS (Community of Christ). An impotent shell of a church. I also predict that ALL religions will suffer a similar fate. Human progress has been the victim of religious intolerance, division, brutality and hatred for thousands of years. It's way past time for ALL religion to end! I say good riddance...and BRING IT ON!!
@tinybsas5759
5 жыл бұрын
@@ericlawton4264 Amen, brother! True to the faith.
@briangriffiths3852
2 жыл бұрын
Joining this cult! You will do so at your dangerous PERIL!!! In one word only! DON'T!!!
@ralphwiggam7630
2 жыл бұрын
It will destroy your life to be sure ... but there are a certain amount of low-iiqq individuals in society at large who actually NEED a fraudullent cullt to tell them how to lives their lives ... it gives them comfort and a measure of peace to be force-fed liies ... So think of it this way ... any person who actually values truth should steer clear, but there are a few people who need our cullt ... Besides, have you tried our funeral potatoes!?! .. WOW!!! :P
@briangriffiths3852
2 жыл бұрын
@@ralphwiggam7630 Hi! and a very good Happy New Year to you. Many thanks for your message it's much appreciated. I hope that 2022 will bring you good health and prosperity. Keep safe! Regards, BJG.
@ralphwiggam7630
2 жыл бұрын
@@briangriffiths3852 To you as well sir!
@briangriffiths3852
2 жыл бұрын
@@ralphwiggam7630 A very good morning to you Ralph and a belated "Happy New Year" To say thank you for your message. Just to say what I wrote three weeks ago came from the 5 years experience of being a member of this faith. Although a hard task and long shot for people to notice my comments, I came to realise how fake and false! the lies and deceit of this Church are! It has far too many similarities equal to the "Freemasons" Cult society and their teachings are far more emphasised towards "Joseph Smith" and not on our good Lord Jesus Christ! Many other very true and valid reasons for leaving for anyone whom may be interested and wish to know! Please feel free to ask? Keep well and keep safe throughout 2022. Regards, BJG.
@ralphwiggam7630
2 жыл бұрын
@@briangriffiths3852 Well apologists will say it isn't a problem ... but here's the hard truth ... joseph smith became a 33rd Degree Mason (his father and brother before him were Masons as well). Then less than 2 months later, joseph smith created out own "endowment" ... VERY conveniently, Masonic secret handshakes, and our own "signs and tokens" are EXACTLY THE SAME ... Our cullt is a corrupt, bloated, $300 BILLION dollar for-profit mega corporation founded on liies ... If you are a person who seeks truth ... it is good you got out! ... Godspeed sir!
@patrickflynn4935
7 жыл бұрын
my family has been invlolved with the church since 1830s,yet when i wanted to join family said I was not what the church was looking for. At age 60 I was baptized but found a very low glass ceiling that has keep me from progressing in the faith or going to the temple. Now I realize I made a mistake, but living near slc,walking away is almost impossible.
@patsymillar9447
3 жыл бұрын
In the 1960's at the age of 9 I was baptised a Mormon. Though If I'm truthful I never really believed it. The branch I belonged to had a very big clique, and if you weren't in it you got nowhere. But I found it very easy to walk away. I just put one foot in front of the other and walked out one Sunday. I never went back. If you believe in God and have him in your heart you don't have to go to church to worship him. As long as you are sincere, he will hear your prayers, and answer them.
@ahwell9984
7 ай бұрын
You can be free. Outside those false teachibgs, God and authentic Christianity await you with open arms.
@Rypaul5217
9 жыл бұрын
David J. Johnson, BYU professor --- “No one has found any inscriptule evidence for, or material remains that can be tied directly to any persons, places or things, mentioned in the book (of Mormon).”
@RegentofSparta
7 жыл бұрын
I have a former friend who has joined this cult - I could not even convince him that you have to give 10 percent of your income to these people
@claudiachurch4285
5 жыл бұрын
yes we do give 10% but you will never go hungry , you will never be evicted , you will never have your electricity turned off , look into where the tithing goes and how it is used before you comment
@josephsorg
5 жыл бұрын
@@claudiachurch4285 7 billion taken in annually, the churches own admission is they spend 40 million on humanitarian aid. Do the math. They give a pittance compared to what they bring in. So yes where does the tithing money go? Too bad the church does not disclose any of their financials. A non profit that claims they are responsible responsible for the salvation of all humankind, yet the don't share what they do with the money they take in.Their books are closed. Why so secretive? They do however build billion dollar shopping malls. operate huge hunting preserves, condo developments, office complexes.
@claudiachurch4285
5 жыл бұрын
@@josephsorg they were the only church with relief food equipment and Drs in the first week of Katrina , no other church was there , you dont agree with their use of funds , then dont join and dont give simple answer
@josephsorg
5 жыл бұрын
@@claudiachurch4285 You didnt answer the question. Why are their books closed? Why do they not disclose where the money they take in goes. Why all the secrecy?
@troids117
4 жыл бұрын
@@josephsorg They build temples, churches, fund missions, have education programs etc. God never said give money to the church then the church will give. He said give money of your own accord to the poor. I hate to be a little rude but the church needs money to build and maintain its structures and programs. It's quite obvious what the money is used for, not a "shocking revelation". On the investment note, good thing they do invest it. If they have more than they need at the time better to grow it now.
@FOHguy
Ай бұрын
I lived in Salt Lake City as a teenager. The one thing I remember about Mormons. As a rule, the higher Daddy was in the church, the wilder the daughter was.
@jeffs4483
2 жыл бұрын
The Book of Mormon should be called "The Book of Lies', or better yet, 'The Book of Bull$&^@'.
@ralphwiggam7630
2 жыл бұрын
Nah ... it's a nice little work of 19th Century fiction ... a fantastic tale of White, Hebrew, Jesus Worshiping Christians living in the ancient Americas! They rode on "chariots", had "silk", and metal coinage, used "elephants", and fought in large armies with "swords" and metal plate armor ... Any person with even a Kindergarten-level understanding of actual history knows it's a fantasy book of entirely made up nonsense lol :P
@djadams7795
2 жыл бұрын
Get a life loser.
@djadams7795
2 жыл бұрын
You must mean the Catholic cult
@djadams7795
2 жыл бұрын
@@ralphwiggam7630 The pope sucks the devils 8==D
@kjvjay
2 жыл бұрын
It is strange how A majority of Mormon doctrines, practices, and teachings CANNOT be found in the Book of Mormon. This is very strange considering the claims made by the author, Joseph Smith. In the Introduction to the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism wrote, “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”
@squaregarments
8 жыл бұрын
This video is accurate and should be viewed by everyone before joining the Mormon Church.
@trevorj79
3 жыл бұрын
Do people actually join this cult or aren’t they just born into it?
@earlefrost5512
5 жыл бұрын
Coaxing folks to believe in the incredible mishmash of modern mythology which is Mormonism, is a well-choreographed program of psychological trickery. Those that allow their missionaries into their homes (and going door to door is particularly genius: once you let them into your home domain, you are already acting on trust - you trust them enough to let two fit young men into your home: this is a HUGE first step!! Those that take this Leap of Faith (faith and trust are more or less congruous...) are usally those who are seeking something to believe in, to give their lives meaning. The missionaries at first point to both similarities of their belief system to mainstream Christianity, and the milder differences... constructing a bridge from one worldview to another (most Mormon converts are former Christians). Then they give them a Book of Mormon and ask them to PRAY HARD about everything it contains... a process which tends to enhance whatever shreds of belief they are starting to have. Then, love-bombing the potential converts when they show up at the local LDS place of worship, treating them exceptionally nicely... only once they are hooked on the cozy, old-fashioned sense of community that they are exposed to, are they exposed to the more bizzare parts of the LDS belief and worship system - like the Masonic rituals, Mormon underwear (Robes of Righteousness), the Book of Abraham, the Adam-god theory and so on... but by then they are have so much invested in their newfound circle of friends that they willingly swallow the rest of the worm and are fully and truly hooked.
@2326038
5 жыл бұрын
Good post Earle Frost.
@richardholmes7199
4 жыл бұрын
Duplicate.
@richardholmes7199
4 жыл бұрын
@@2326038 Duplicate.
@2326038
4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholmes7199 SO????
@jamestripp8451
4 жыл бұрын
I belonged to several Christian denominations for 24 years before I met the missionaries of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and was well versed in the Bible. These other Churches prepared me for the truth when the missionaries presented me with the fullness of The Gospel. When you've received the truth and realize it by the power of The Holy Ghost, there's no need to turn back. Been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints for 60 years and know the truth beyond a shadow of doubt.. Satan, or the devil, and his followers are very busy trying to discredit the Truth.
@robertconnolly7265
2 жыл бұрын
Any one that promotes masonic membership has betrayed god's word that says MAKE NO OATHS!! IT DOESNT SAY MAKE SOME OATHS,CHOOSE THE OATHS YOU WANT, HOW CAN A ALREADY SKETCHY FORM OF SO CALLED CHRISTIAN FAITH ENCOURAGE ITS MEMBERS TO SWEAR OATHS OF ANY KIND?? THE IDEA OF CHRISTIAN LIFE IS TO ABIDE BY GODS WORD NOT IGNORE KEY THINGS ONLY AN IDIOT WOULD DISOBEY AND STILL THINK THEY WERE GOOD CHRISTIANS!
@Robinfuckable
7 жыл бұрын
Did Joseph Smith translate the Book of Mormon by putting a magic rock in a hat and sticking his face in his hat?
@richardholmes7199
6 жыл бұрын
Still spreading your crap?
@MrDirtclodfight
5 жыл бұрын
Yes Billy...
@thomasmaughan4798
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, no, maybe so. I wasn't there but apparently he sometimes did it that way.
@meganl41
4 жыл бұрын
@Bin Ren yup, and then he put on the magic undies... but I have to wonder how much he actually wore them, with all those wives.
@thomasmaughan4798
4 жыл бұрын
@@meganl41 He wore then 23.5 hours per day, on average. That's a guess of course; your mileage may vary.
@danbel
2 жыл бұрын
I am really impressed with the information. Thank you
@drewdon6783
5 жыл бұрын
I visited the LDS temple grounds and then got kicked out of the museum for asking questions. I mean two security guards in red jackets came from out of nowhere and escorted me out.
@gunnerlawts
5 жыл бұрын
Ask me the questions, one at a time, and I will answer them.
@kelliintexas3575
Жыл бұрын
They believe the Garden of Eden is in Missouri!!!! QUOTE: " the whole earth was paradisiacal before the Fall. The Garden of Eden was a center place. After the Fall, there was no Garden of Eden or paradisiacal status on earth. Yet relative to the locale of the site of the Garden of Eden, the Prophet Joseph Smith learned through revelation (D&C 57) that Jackson County was the location of a Zion to be and the New Jerusalem to come. The Prophet first visited Jackson County, Missouri, in the summer of 1831. The Prophet visited Jackson County again in April and May 1832. On one of the occasions, or perhaps both, the Prophet Joseph apparently instructed his close associates, and perhaps even a general Church gathering, that the ancient Garden of Eden was also located in Jackson County...." Brigham Young stated, “Joseph the Prophet told me that the garden of Eden was in Jackson [County] Missouri.” (Journal of Wilford Woodruff, vol. 5, 15 Mar. 1857, Archives Division, Church Historical Dept., Salt Lake City.)
@Rope_yogurt
Жыл бұрын
@@gunnerlawts what up with the original 116 pages? How come he couldn't reproduce them? The book of Abraham translation. Kinder hook plates translation Just to name a few
@gunnerlawts
Жыл бұрын
@@Rope_yogurt You do notice that nobody has asked in over 3 years? Here are your answers: "what up with the original 116 pages?" Still lost. Not needed, because God knew they would be, and has provided an alternative text. Happy to go into more detail, but your question is terse - you need to be more specific. "How come he couldn't reproduce them?" False question - I am certain he could, but it's moot because he was told not to. He wouldn't, not couldn't, and it frustrated the evil one. "The book of Abraham translation." There is no question. The BofA is genuine (if it is attached to 'what up'). So-called 'experts' were paid to lie. If you ask specific questions, I will give specific answers. Happy to go into detail. "Kinder hook plates translation" Still no question. Kinder was a scam perpetrated by Satan's minions, and people overlook that and try to blame Smith for being duped, but he wasn't. He didn't have them for a proper evaluation, and was not given them when he asked. "Just to name a few" You have no limit, but ask one at a time and go into specific details. Every issue in Satan's bag of tricks can be refuted - they are gossip and lies, nothing more. Here's another thing you can do - go to the same museum as drew Don and peaceably ask any question you like. Tell me what happens?
@Rope_yogurt
Жыл бұрын
@@gunnerlawts thank you I appreciate the time you took to answer my questions. English isn't my first language sorry
@michaelh5985
5 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking that about l Ron Hubbard,,,
@mutestingray
3 жыл бұрын
America has an uncanny ability to produce these people.
@patricianoel7782
8 ай бұрын
One cult meets another. 😮
@kevrocks01
9 жыл бұрын
It's hard to believe that a thinking person could ever believe the Joseph Smith story. I have something you can't see is the oldest game in the book and it is something a young child would do, not a grown adult. And had been shown many times over, is that his "transcriptions" are basically the bible with a few things Smith threw in to make it look legit. And what else would you expect from a person convicted many times as a conman and basically a person of ill repute and a thief. It's sad that that there are actually people who can't think critically enough to see Mormonism for the totally made up story that it is.
@richardholmes7199
9 жыл бұрын
It's not either made up!
@peterpiper7441
9 жыл бұрын
What do you expect really, when kids are taught to say, "I know this church is true" from the age of three years old.
@wyominghorseman9172
9 жыл бұрын
Turns out advanced ancient civilizations leave a lot of stuff behind Book of Mormon pandora Mar. 2013 I visited the Asian Art Museum in SF today to see the Terracotta Warriors exhibit. It was amazing. There were swords, things for horses and chariots, beautiful warriors and armor. Even a small gold belt buckle was on display which made me think about all the small day to day things that remain long after the people who used them are gone. All of these artifacts were from around 200 bc or 600 years before the great battle at the hill cumorah. I'm still waiting to see the traveling exhibit of ancient Nephite and Lamanite artifacts. Anyone have the dates for that?
@kevrocks01
9 жыл бұрын
Wyoming Horseman What exactly does this reply even mean? I pointed out that Joseph Smith was a conman and a thief who "translated" something that no one else ever saw, nor were allowed to see and that this is a child's game.
@wyominghorseman9172
9 жыл бұрын
Kevin Kurtz I should have given you an intro. One of the major arguments of the MYT's (Mormon KZitem Trolls) is that the steel swords, tools and implements claimed by JS in the BofM disintegrated and that's why they can't be found by archeologists. Anywhere in North or South America. Even at the battle site of the hill Cumorah where supposedly 1.5 million steel armed and armor clad soldier's died! Nor in any tombs or burial sites. Nor remnants of any type of advanced metallurgy with the descendants of these folks. One point five million is three times the casualties of the American civil war over a four year period! Just thought you'd like the perspective.
@MrEnjoivolcom1
6 жыл бұрын
It's easy for one to deny another's statements. But to deny such well researched, multiple witness statements and accounts IS indeed quite tough. Facts are often times hard to swallow.
@MannyRamirez310
4 жыл бұрын
Mormons are taught not to be curious or question their religion because it's a sin and they have to pray for forgiveness. They need to ask questions and stop being scared!
@gunnerlawts
4 жыл бұрын
Christians need to stop being stupid.
@2326038
4 жыл бұрын
@Ralph Wiggam Sometimes he does and other times he doesn't. Poor fellow is confused.
@ZayedRayhan
Жыл бұрын
dude, please come back. ur voice is so soothing u could talk about anything and i’d listen lol
@danalley6376
8 жыл бұрын
Non-Mormons: Here's logical evidence. Mormon apologetics: Just gotta trust in the prophets.
@brenh2767
8 жыл бұрын
lol
@EarlFaulk
8 жыл бұрын
All religions tell you to trust anonymous accounts that cannot be verified by historical, genetic, or archaeological methods.
@gunnerlawts
8 жыл бұрын
The one that tells you to be righteous first, then pray about what is true is the one to take notice of. There is only one that does that properly.nIt is up to the people to do their part properly, as well, or they miss out, like you are.
@danalley6376
8 жыл бұрын
How about using critical thinking and a logical thought process instead? What a glorious idea. Joseph Smith was a fraud and a rapist. Check your history.
@gunnerlawts
8 жыл бұрын
I pride myself on both. When shall we start? What will you begin with? Fraud, or rape? I'm not fussed; we'll canvass both, eventually. Best we check Smith's history, not mine.
@post-mormon-era1085
5 жыл бұрын
This video is a great teaching aid for soon-to-be-x-mormons. Well researched history. Thank you.
@gunnerlawts
5 жыл бұрын
Post- (dumb as a post, more like), maybe it's time I re-posted (there's a pun in there) my rebuttals? Since you know about well researched history, can you correct anything I claimed?
@moronibaloney6888
5 жыл бұрын
@@gunnerlawts Hey, here is an Eric Lawton original: "As part of his punishment Cain was separated from others with a mark to distinguish his posterity so that they would remain cursed as to the priesthood. This mark was not identified in scripture. When eight people were saved from the flood, one of them was a descendant of Cain. It was Egyptus, the wife of Ham, and their posterity was barred from holding the priesthood. The mark also carried on, and a separated populace ensued after the flood, as it had done with Cain. They became the first Egyptians and, more specifically, the Negroid races." - Eric Lawton, "True Religion" Now here is the LDS church's rebuttal to you: "Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects unrighteous actions in a premortal life; that mixed-race marriages are a sin; or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else. Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form." Eric, it seems that you are an apostate.
@gunnerlawts
5 жыл бұрын
Baloney, you prompt me to bring back a few Eric originals on this clip. You are quite the imbecile, because the church does not disavow what I have said, and you read between the lines to get such a wrong conclusion. I will run through it line by line to make sure it doesn't - "Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse {Did I say that BLACK SKIN was the mark? No - you read between the lines. If you look to the end of what I said, I said it was the Negroid race, and skin colour is only a portion of the mark, which is not the mark until all aspects are there. The church has not denied the priesthood to every other black skinned race (somewhere around 50), so can rightly disavow black skin as a sign or curse} , or that it reflects unrighteous actions in a premortal life; {did I say it was so that the unrighteous could come to Earth? No - you read between the lines, once again. By all means, cut and paste the part that says they were unrighteous before birth? You don't have a snowball's chance in hell, you clown.} that mixed-race marriages are a sin; {did I say mixed-race marriages are a sin? No - you read between the lines for a third time. By all means, cut and paste the part that says mixed-race marriages are a sin?} or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else {did I say blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior? No - you read between the lines for a fourth time. By all means, cut and paste the part that says blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior?} Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form." {This is what leaders say about today, and did I say anything about what the church does today? No. You have read between the lines five times in 3 or 4 lines (depending on how wide your page is - it varies - more if you are reading a phone).} It's this complete stupidity while reading that has caused there to be 50,000 Christian sects out of one bible. My e-book is 'True Religion Explained', not "True Religion", and people can read it for themselves. Baloney is full of it (baloney). Now, where are those Eric Lawton originals?
@moronibaloney6888
5 жыл бұрын
@@gunnerlawts It's the same thing Eric, even if you try to wordsmith your way out of it. You are an apostate member of an apostate church. ".Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse..or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else. " - LDS.org "It was purely that the time for the curse Cain received had not expired." - Eric Lawton If you say that Negroes now or ever have been under the CURSE of Cain, you are saying that that they were/are INFERIOR. Having a curse is not a positive attribute. Yes, the church has disavowed your words. Even Bruce R. McConkie disavowed his own former words which you pretty much still hang onto. The flip-flops on polygamy and the curse of Cain are classic signs that the LDS church is uninspired and subject to the vagaries of men. God wouldn't be the author of this confusion. Were your parents siblings?
@gunnerlawts
5 жыл бұрын
Avenged, I don't crack you up half as much as that road cracked you when you bounced down it on your head. They were well and truly separated when a plastered Harris lied about it in the bar. No, pictures are not official records unless directly specified. You bounced at the time of the accident, and your mind hasn't stopped bouncing, since.
@alexcastro7339
3 жыл бұрын
LDS?.... More like LSD
@afwalker1921
2 жыл бұрын
Joseph Smith reminds me of Jim Jones. Does anyone else see the comparison? I'm just sayin' ...
@djadams7795
2 жыл бұрын
Because you are a fake Christian
@John-st7bf
2 жыл бұрын
@@djadams7795 enlighten us viewers what does it really take to be Christ like?
@fatbysnacksident3217
2 жыл бұрын
He reminds me of that seventh century caravan robber Mohammed the baby rapist
@thetiler
5 жыл бұрын
What a GREAT video! I’ve read and seen a lot of videos but this one is one of the best!!!!!!! I would love to see another new name for Burger Kings “Whopper” burger but only sold in Salt Lake City, Utah . “The Joseph Smith’s Whopper Burger”!! The amazingly tasty burger should be discounted only toTBMs!!
@gunnerlawts
5 жыл бұрын
thetiler - you have just swallowed the whopper.
@AdvancedMarketingGro
5 жыл бұрын
Great question!!..."If the angel Moroni had lived as a man on the right side of the war, why did he become an angel instead of a god?"
@mimked
5 жыл бұрын
In due time. The claim was never that good people would become gods immediately upon death, but that they could progress to become like God over time (through the eternities). The fact that Moroni would be an angel before the Second Coming of Christ disproves nothing.
@rustynelson2357
5 жыл бұрын
@@mimked Why did Joseph first say his name was Nephi... and then it was changed to Moroni later?
@mimked
5 жыл бұрын
@@rustynelson2357 he didn't. It was originally recorded as Moroni, but then a scribe made a simple error. See here: www.fairmormon.org/answers/Moroni%27s_visit/Nephi_or_Moroni#Question:_Did_Joseph_Smith_originally_identify_the_angel_that_visited_him_as_.22Nephi.22_instead_of_.22Moroni.22.3F
@richardholmes7199
4 жыл бұрын
@@rustynelson2357 This has already been covered. Voro Kusanagi just proved it to you.
@richardholmes7199
4 жыл бұрын
@@rustynelson2357 The EGYPTOLOGISTS being DEBUNKED has also been covered. Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) youtube''. That video debunked the Egyptologists by demonstrating that the translation/explanation of the Egyptian from Joseph Smith was never supposed to match up with the interpretation from the Egyptological field to begin with.
@BOFAFett
6 жыл бұрын
Amazing video. Had questions I wanted to ask Mormon friends I have, but afraid to ask. I would never try to talk them out of it. If what you believe makes you a better person, I won’t interject. Thanks for the info I’ve been looking for.
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
The above video is a bunch of crap.
@jakedober5410
5 жыл бұрын
Give me a call over google hangout anytime. Just send me an email and I'll send you the invite and I'll explain how we know that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the kingdom of God on the earth. jakedober2@gmail.com
@kelliintexas3575
Жыл бұрын
They believe the Garden of Eden is in Missouri!!!! QUOTE: " the whole earth was paradisiacal before the Fall. The Garden of Eden was a center place. After the Fall, there was no Garden of Eden or paradisiacal status on earth. Yet relative to the locale of the site of the Garden of Eden, the Prophet Joseph Smith learned through revelation (D&C 57) that Jackson County was the location of a Zion to be and the New Jerusalem to come. The Prophet first visited Jackson County, Missouri, in the summer of 1831. The Prophet visited Jackson County again in April and May 1832. On one of the occasions, or perhaps both, the Prophet Joseph apparently instructed his close associates, and perhaps even a general Church gathering, that the ancient Garden of Eden was also located in Jackson County...." Brigham Young stated, “Joseph the Prophet told me that the garden of Eden was in Jackson [County] Missouri.” (Journal of Wilford Woodruff, vol. 5, 15 Mar. 1857, Archives Division, Church Historical Dept., Salt Lake City.)
@l.a.6522
4 жыл бұрын
Idea of mormonism came from hell along with the book...
@bobbyc.1111
4 жыл бұрын
thats a fall judgement. You say nothing specifically
@l.a.6522
4 жыл бұрын
@@bobbyc.1111 u dont know whats going in hell... lol...
@bigcountry3375
4 жыл бұрын
Hell means grave
@SteveSmith-os5bs
4 жыл бұрын
Hell doesn’t exist.
@SteveSmith-os5bs
4 жыл бұрын
HEAVEN IS 4 REAL because the whole concept a loving God throwing his children into a furnace just because they pissed him off doesn’t make a lot of sense. You can’t talk about loving your neighbor and acts of genocide, both concepts are not compatible So the concept of Hell does not make sense.
@JahTaj
Жыл бұрын
As an exmo who was born into this Mormon cult, I found this video spot on. Well done and very accurate. I pray for my family who are still in this cult and who think I'm the devil because I've denounced the Mormon church.
@godsoffspring4195
Жыл бұрын
I don't think Uncle David thinks you're the devil. I'd bet he would even offer you a lesson from Luke 15 in his prayers for you. I wonder who's prayers will be heard the loudest. Your one prayer for the family or the family's for you? What do you think will happen there? :>)
@Rope_yogurt
Жыл бұрын
@@godsoffspring4195 praying doesn't do anything. You're literally just talking in the wind.
@godsoffspring4195
Жыл бұрын
@@Rope_yogurt ... So, I guess when a tree falls in the forest and you didn't hear it , it didn't do anything and was just sound in the wind?? Prayers are mostly meant to be heard, not always answered. So how do you know prayers don't do anything??
@Rope_yogurt
Жыл бұрын
@@godsoffspring4195 it lulls believers into a false sense of accomplishment. We cannot solve our problems, much less the world's through prayer. We often see people with good intentions praying for victims in the wake of a tragedy, but prayer is useless without action, and those actions make the prayers irrelevant.
@godsoffspring4195
Жыл бұрын
@@Rope_yogurt .... Ummm, I don't know any believers who think what God does is their own accomplishments. Some may try but it never pans out well. Looks to me you are trying to blame God for our, or one's, own inability to solve problems. Tsk, tsk "but prayer is useless without action" Well, you got that right. God even said so.... "faith without works is dead" and most people knew that much thousands of years ago but it has never made their prayers irrelevant. Not to them or to the Lord just because you think so. People with good intentions praying for victims in the wake of a tragedy is for comfort and hope. We know when a tree falls in the forest and you didn't hear it, it still did something and heard by somebody. What is rope yogurt... does it have ears?? Can it hear a tree fall or say an intelligent prayer?? :>)
@cctvspystore
5 жыл бұрын
Damn, this is like reading/listening to a Bad Sci-Fi novel
@michaels4255
4 жыл бұрын
Indeed, the BoM itself is just Spalding's unpublished fantasy novel with a bit of theology added by Sydney Rigdon: kzitem.info/news/bejne/qHtmwI1mkHSpYKw
@gowdsake7103
4 жыл бұрын
Quite a lot like scientology
@racerx4152
4 жыл бұрын
scientology is far far worse.
@gowdsake7103
4 жыл бұрын
@@racerx4152 In terms of being made up BS ?or just in the manipulation ?
@gravitywaves2796
4 жыл бұрын
I can't for the life of me understand how any grown adult could be convinced any of the claims of the LDS church are true, especially in today's world where information is so widely and freely available. I can at least partially understand those who were born into it and just somehow never gave it a second thought, especially those almost exclusively surrounded by believers. Maybe to a lesser extent I can at least believe some were talked into believing decades ago when these ideas and claims were not so easy to debunk. I cannot believe anyone over the age of reason with enough mental competence to physically take care of themselves could be deceived by such nonsense. The claims are so unbelievably easy to debunk. Obviously this is the reason their recruitment has slowed to a crawl, but it's a nonzero amount. The few still active members of the mormon church I have interacted with have all been some of the nicest folks I've met. They were all born into it though and a couple found there way out. I've never met a new convert though. It would be interesting to have a conversation with one. I've got to believe it was the friendly people and ready made community that attracted them, but I can't imagine actually believing something so obviously, provably, absolutely false.
@gunnerlawts
4 жыл бұрын
Grav, "I can't for the life of me understand how any grown adult could be convinced any of the claims of the LDS church are true, [many people are like that, but so what?] especially in today's world where information is so widely and freely available [ has the world now got all the answers? And does the world never lie?]. I can at least partially understand those who were born into it and just somehow never gave it a second thought, especially those almost exclusively surrounded by believers [you subscribe to social norms dictating truth, but has that been validated? It's new world information that is a trend, not a fact]. Maybe to a lesser extent [lesser than partially understanding is really tiny] I can at least believe some were talked into believing decades ago when these ideas and claims were not so easy to debunk [ what is so easy to debunk now that was not so easy in 2000? (Two decades ago.) Most of this gossip is pre 1900, and DNA supports the Book of Mormon, so what are you on about? So - what does it take to believe people can convert since 2000? Try getting the annual convert statistics for every year? They prove the information age is ineffective. Pick any 20 year period before in the last 190, and tally both.] I cannot believe anyone over the age of reason with enough mental competence to physically take care of themselves could be deceived by such nonsense [I am 66, so debate with me and be prepared to answer questions about what you believe so that I can evaluate your mental competence regarding your beliefs? You sound like an atheist, but you reveal nothing]. The claims are so unbelievably easy to debunk [it's the easy part that will prove unbelievable I can claim I am actually superman unbelievably easily, but it stops there.] Obviously this is the reason their recruitment has slowed to a crawl, but it's a nonzero amount [ slowing to a crawl has to be nonzero; if it went to zero, it hasn't slowed, it has stopped. I worry about people who claims things are obvious when their speech is obviously flawed, lol.]. The few still active members of the mormon church I have interacted with have all been some of the nicest folks I've met [your concern is for truth, so why revert to behaviour?]. They were all born into it though and a couple found there [I worry when people write 'there' when it should be 'their'] way out [only two people? How many were searching for a way out? The LDS church is not a maze; a prison or a deep forest, so what is difficult about finding a way? It's as easy as going through doors and not going back in.]. I've never met a new convert though [I have met thousands]. It would be interesting to have a conversation with one [do you have enough mental competence to make it worthwhile?]. I've got to believe it was the friendly people and ready made community that attracted them [some come in this way, but they soon find their way out; most enter because they heard the Holy Ghost.], but I can't imagine actually believing something so obviously, provably, absolutely false [you lack imagination, yet at the same time ingest guff. Get what is the most "obviously, provably, absolutely false" issue and prove it to me? I will set you straight. Make sure you don't do any other - you can do another after I have responded, and one at a time until all readers are absolutely certain you are stupid. I am ready.].
@2326038
4 жыл бұрын
@@gunnerlawts Who do you think will read all your bullshit nonsense Lawton?
@gunnerlawts
4 жыл бұрын
@@2326038 Fool, since you have just explained you watch 10 hours of BS, maybe lots of people do similar?
@gunnerlawts
4 жыл бұрын
@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope, if I fulfil every one, which one proves the LDS church is not God's own? I don't care what you think about me - I have never gone to an asylum and asked inmates for opinions.
@2326038
4 жыл бұрын
@@gunnerlawts Why don't you apologize like a real man for claiming I didn't watch it? C'mon Lawton. Do it.
@laurensiemens1436
5 жыл бұрын
What worries me is not mormonism. .I know it's false but what makes me afraid is some of the doctrines of mormonism is creeping into main stream Christianity ie Benny hinn with his man God doctrine and others that are in his barrel of trickery
@godsoffspring4195
5 жыл бұрын
Well, if even the dumbbell Benny Hinn is bright enough to know the scriptures and Christ Himself taught, God is an eternal heavenly man..... why would you be worried Mormonism??
@orchidorio
4 жыл бұрын
Hey, ya'all, don't forget about all the Mormon episodes on South Park !
@saulsantos5340
6 жыл бұрын
Can't spell beLIEf without LIE
@lloydmunga4961
4 жыл бұрын
Southpark gives a good lesson on this
@toddadams8420
4 жыл бұрын
@Sam Bacon so 190 years from now there will be a video like this about scientology
@Soy_Preinaugural
4 жыл бұрын
🎶 Smart🎶Smart🎶Smart🎶Smart🎶Smart!🎶😅😂🤣
@Josephus-f1o
10 ай бұрын
Great post I am in love with the way Mormons love lying! It is so entertaining! I wish I could have thought up the lie of Mormonism but it takes the help of Satan himself I am not going there!
@laurensiemens1436
5 жыл бұрын
I am a fortunate person that knows an ex mormon who became a real Christian. What a transformation. She no longer smokes she goes to a good solid Christian church and I am blessed to have helped her deside to follow the real Jesus. Mormons need to keep asking questions about their so called faith and don't base your foundation on the book of mormon (bom)....because it might blow up.....haha
@stevenpictures1
5 жыл бұрын
Did this friend of yours smoke when she was a mormon?
@TheWormsEquals
5 жыл бұрын
Too bad she couldn't just give up the God delusion completely. Going from one cult to another isn't making progress.
@lilachart6371
5 жыл бұрын
I lost a really good friend to this cult ....I am a Christian and pray that one day the truth will be known and accepted by her.
@JohnDoe-rs3oh
4 жыл бұрын
Ralph Wiggam If you're a born again Christian, then its not a cult, but the truth. John 14:6
@thepreacher5934
4 жыл бұрын
@@JohnDoe-rs3oh Pastor Steven Anderson has already debunked the so-called ''born again movement''. It's of the devil!
@JohnDoe-rs3oh
4 жыл бұрын
The Preacher No he hasn't debunked anything. Its not of the devil, you're of the devil for saying that. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ my Lord & my God. REPENT! You must be born again to see the kingdom of God. Read John chapter 3. Mr. Anderson has to much hate in his heart, and he does not bear good fruit, he does not have the fruit of the Spirit, but the works of the flesh. You and him need to REPENT!
@pauljacobs435
4 жыл бұрын
Ralph Wiggam you set the warring cultists off pretty well here.
@richardholmes5676
Жыл бұрын
Paul Gregersen debunked the Egyptologist crap presented on the above video, what is your response?
@BGdroopy
5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Joe Smith was smoked out!!!!!
@heavyhitta3682
4 жыл бұрын
BGdroopy yeah like your dad 😂
@mutestingray
3 жыл бұрын
He was so far gone off that loud that he started a whole new religion smh
@maxsteel2968
4 жыл бұрын
Mormonisn is the biggest crap of a religion in modern times. If you are wondering what I mean read Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 5 : 20-23. And that is just one example
@gunnerlawts
4 жыл бұрын
20 Wherefore, the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me, saying that: Inasmuch as they will not hearken unto thy words they shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord. And behold, they were cut off from his presence. 21 And he had caused the acursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. 22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities. 23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done. Two things, idiot: First, what the Lord does, nobody gets to tell him they can do better, and he will punish those who try. Secondly, while the skin was less enticing to the fairer skinned, the skin was not the actual curse. It was a marker for those under the curse.
@gunnerlawts
4 жыл бұрын
@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope, " . . . who are now thinking of leaving bc of the bullshit they just found about your pagan cult" says it all; you devils spread bull about the church.
@gunnerlawts
4 жыл бұрын
@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope, I only think you are insane, and correct on all of it.
@gunnerlawts
4 жыл бұрын
@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope, you interpret my sentence just like you interpret the bible. I said that I was correct on thinking you are insane, and you haven't been right with just about everything.
@gunnerlawts
4 жыл бұрын
@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope, even if you mistakenly think I said you were correct, it would be correct insanity, which translates to being wrong about anything that is sane. Have it either way, you complete idiot.
@firstnamelastname754
5 жыл бұрын
Which is better? Be Gay = Like Be Mormon = Comment
@gunnerlawts
5 жыл бұрын
Be Mormon.
@gunnerlawts
5 жыл бұрын
Avenged (Dark Wing Duck), you have done this silly post a few times, already. We don't leave our brains at the door, but people should know about you leaving your brains spread all over the road. Give us a straight yes or no answer to this question - Did you have a motorcycle crash that caused a head injury?
@gunnerlawts
5 жыл бұрын
Dark Wing, I never said you had to answer, but refusing to is as good as a 'Yes'. You fool no-one, and people would be fools to be taught by the insane. Your name is mud; better use those other handles.
@gunnerlawts
5 жыл бұрын
Dark Wing, I don't take notice of the insane. It would be silly of me to recommend that to readers, then take notice of you. If you had half a brain, you would not have to have me tell you not to waste your time trying to teach me, especially on something you have lost the discussion about at least 5 times, already. They don't come any dumber than you.
@stephenszucs8439
8 жыл бұрын
If the angel Moroni had lived as a man on the right side of the war, why did he become an angel instead of a god?
@gunnerlawts
8 жыл бұрын
He's on his way to being a god.
@stephenszucs8439
8 жыл бұрын
Eric Lawton "For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one [echad] flesh. " Genesis 2:24 "there is no one like Yahweh our God." Exodus 8:10 "Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him." Deuteronomy 4:35 "Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39 "See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me" Deuteronomy 32:39 "Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4 "You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You" 2 Samuel 7:22 "For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?" 2 Samuel 22:32 "Yahweh is God; there is no one else." 1 Kings 8:60 "You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth." 2 Kings 19:15 "O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You" 1 Chronicles 17:20 "You alone [bad] are Yahweh." Nehemiah 9:6 "For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God" Psalm 18:31 "You alone [bad], Lord, are God." Isaiah 37:20 "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10 "'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6 "Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none." Isaiah 44:8 "I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5 "Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God." Isaiah 45:14 "I am Yahweh, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:18 "Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me." Isaiah 45:21 "I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me" Isaiah 46:9 "And Yahweh will be king over all the earth; in that day Yahweh will be the only one [echad], and His name the only one[echad]." Zechariah 14:9 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one [hen] and love the other, or he will be devoted to one [hen] and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth." Matthew 6:24 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one [hen] flesh"? " Matthew 19:5 "But do not be called Rabbi; for One [hen] is your Teacher, and you are all brothers." Matthew 23:8 "Do not be called leaders; for One [hen] is your Leader, that is, Christ." Matthew 23:10 ""The foremost is, 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one [hen] Lord; " Mark 12:29 "you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only [monos] God?" John 5:44 "I and the Father are one [hen]." John 10:30 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only [monos] true God" John 17:3 "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one [hen], just as We are one [hen]" John 17:22 "since indeed God is one [hen]" Romans 3:30 "to the only [monos] wise God, Amen." Romans 16:27 "there is no God but one [hen]" 1 Corinthians 8:4 "yet for us there is but one [hen] God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one [hen] Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him." 1 Corinthians 8:6 "Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one [hen]." Galatians 3:20 "There is one [hen] body and one [hen] Spirit, one [hen] hope, one [hen] Lord, one [hen] faith, one [hen] baptism, one [hen] God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all." Ephesians 4:4-6 "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only [monos] God" 1 Timothy 1:17 "which He will bring about at the proper time-He who is the blessed and only [monos] Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone [monos] possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen." 1 Timothy 6:16 "For there is one [hen] God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 1 Timothy 2:5 "You believe that God is one [hen]. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 "For certain persons deny our only [monos] Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." Jude 4 "the only [monos] God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen." Jude 25 By Steve Rudd
@gunnerlawts
8 жыл бұрын
Genesis 2:24 When you were joined to your wife, did you become two personalities in one physical body? If not, then why do you believe God is 3 in no physical body? You have a scripture that says one, and you can't get your head around it, so believe a lie. Exodus 8:10 Speaking of the people and gods they had around. Ditto for Deuteronomy 4:35, 39, 32:39, and so on. 1 Corinthians 8:6 Why do they say one Father and one Jesus? If it is the same one, no need to say one AND one. Galatians 3:20 If Father and Jesus ARE one, then this says Jesus can't be a mediator. Having a mediator requires three, all up - no less. When Jesus prayed to His Father, there were two in two places. The Father didn't father Himself, and if He could, He would not be there to listen to Himself pray, which would be madness to do so, in any case. When Jesus ascended, He said he was going to His and their (our) Father. He didn't say He was becoming that Father for a second time. When Stephen was stoned, he saw the two standing next to each other. If you lock MPD's (now called an identity disorder) in asylums and treat them by doctors, you should not be worshipping one. It's hypocrisy, but worse - it's madness. Your evil god is both impossible and insane, and more closely resembles the definition of Satan. It is this being a complete idiot that causes you to misunderstand so many scriptures.
@presidenteldermarkhoffman8304
8 жыл бұрын
fiction
@gunnerlawts
8 жыл бұрын
+Jem7V Steve,here is a maniac who has gone silent on me. I take this from my emails, where it appears, but not here where it should be. He has this ability to keep it from posting, then usually denies sending anything. I don't get the full text in he email, so I can't respond properly. Can you provide the missing part? [+Stephen Szucs Eric is a troll that is famous for making racist idiotic statements which he lies about later. Its just how he operates. He once tried to tell someone on here by the name of Jesus Eternal that The book of Revelation talked of the Garden of Eden being in the Missouri (which is what mormons believe), later he even said "I showed you in scripture where that was" right as he went off into one of his mormon name calling temper tantrums. He has ripped into Blacks (whom he refers to as ...] END Jem is the prolific liar. Any person can check the original post and they will find that "the book of" is not there. I merely said Revelation, and meant modern revelation, not a book in the bible. However, an inadvertent capital R sent his tiny and dysfunctional brain into a spin, and he insisted that I meant "the book of Revelations". No amount of denial by myself can change that ridiculous opinion in him, and he has spread this lie far and wide, ever since.You are just one more person he has no respect for and clearly wants to delude you. His second lie is that I am racist. No post by myself (and I mean anywhere) has shown that, but his crazy brain thinks it. There have been times I have been a realist, and I don't pander to political correctness on any issue, so he can form opinions based on my writing style, but I am no racist, and he can't see reality at the best of times. I say a Native American is a redskin, and that is racist to both he and the redskin Silver Eagle, or Squawking Crow, as others call him. I don't care what they think. If a Negro prefers to be called black, and they call us whites (among lots of other names), I see nothing wrong with redskins as a term. It is clear, concise and an accurate identifier. So what are his lies that I don't see? Those things he knows won't show up, and hopes to poison your mind with, in private?
@effyleven
8 жыл бұрын
Mormon foundation story "still believable?" Errr... NO, mate. Never in a million years. But I guess there has to be at least ONE religion specially crafted for the mentally subnormal..... and now you have a choice, Mormonism, or Scient-fucking-ology.
@effyleven
8 жыл бұрын
Lance Rambert Your comment is most amusing. I was moved to laugh out loudly. ;-)
@richardholmes7199
8 жыл бұрын
Where then are ALL the anti-church of scientology videos?
@effyleven
8 жыл бұрын
Richard Holmes Plenty of videos here on KZitem spill the beans on Scientology. Do a search.
@effyleven
8 жыл бұрын
Jem7V Scientology has a foundation story that is even more creepy and ridiculous than Mormonism, and you got GO some to do that! Now, I'm sorry, but I refuse to discuss these perverted excuses for religions any further, because to do so gives them the oxygen of publicity... and that is against the public interest.
@effyleven
8 жыл бұрын
Nate Billings What did they study at Harvard? Did they graduate in The Modern Interpretation of Reformed fucking Egyptian? Or the Jewish Anthropology of Native Americans? Or were they doing just doing evening classes in craft skills, knitting their own "magic underpants?" :-) :-) Seriously though, just because Mormonism is tailored specifically to the mentally deficient, we must not forget that quite intelligent people also profess to believe in all sorts of religions. Obviously, it's a mistake anybody can make. It is just MORE mistakenly Moroni-C if you're a Mormon.
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) youtube''. It DEBUNKS the EGYPTOLOGICAL crap presented at the beginning part of the above video by demonstrating that the translation/explanation of the Egyptian papri from Joseph Smith was never supposed to be seen as being translated the same way the Egyptological field would interpret the translation.
@hlnbee
8 ай бұрын
I can’t imagine polygamy as being a good thing!
@djadams7795
8 ай бұрын
Well I can understand it would be extremely difficult.
@kenziek6707
7 ай бұрын
Because its not, only to the perverse and immoral does it make sense. Its like Joseph Smith Child bride, its why so many LDS bishops and missionaries are getting arrested for having S** with children, they figure if he can do it why cant they. Even the Utah Assistant Attorney General, The guy who made music for the LDS website, several tabernacle singers, professors at BYU, many Ward and steak Presidents, Elders Quorum presidents, etc were arrested last year. To say nothing of the tons of bishops and missionaries. Heck a LDS missionary even appeared got Hansed on Hansen V Predator, several have been busted on lesser known YT predator shows. its why in 1995 legislative season, Utah’s legislature revoked mandatory sentences for convicted child abusers, all those voting to revoke were LDS or Mormon. its why you have things like after 1973 the rate of sexual assaults by juveniles in Utah tripled; 77 percent of Utah’s juvenile sex offenders are between thirteen and eighteen. 1973, That is when the LDS church started having its old 50-70 year old creepy old men talk to young children in extreme detail behind closed doors. Sexual crimes in Utah is massively under reported by as much as 5 to 1. This si because the LDS always treat the victims it is because it is their fault and has been shown in multiple lawsuits the LDS does all it can to protect child predators.
@tthx165
7 ай бұрын
@@djadams7795 Hey Twinkle Toes, it's not even legal.
@tthx165
7 ай бұрын
@@djadams7795No you're the fairy here, Twinkle toes, as your interaction with your buddy on this page shows. its so easy to see how you roll twinkle toes. I bet you almost look as girly as Joseph Smith did with that girly bun marrying all those ugly scag women and little children. Oh well, it's not like twinkle toes fairies like you can be picky.
@tthx165
6 ай бұрын
@@djadams7795You're a gutless little coward, just like Joseph smith. Running from one state to the other to avoid prosecution, because he was nothing but a slimy POS like you.
@braddahbu1066
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks to the movie LORD OF THE RINGS....I understand the Book of Mormon🤦🏻♂️
@canderssonswedican7486
5 жыл бұрын
LOL!!!!
@RandolphTheWhite1
4 жыл бұрын
The comment section for this video is absolutely ridiculous
@mcloward1
4 жыл бұрын
Some of the comments are logical, reasonable people who agree with the video. Then there are.... a lot of others.
@RandolphTheWhite1
4 жыл бұрын
@@mcloward1 yeah, I'll get behind that
@pauljimerson8218
4 жыл бұрын
Aren't they all extra fun once religion or politics is the topic?
@wilshirewarrior2783
4 жыл бұрын
Especially yours
@RandolphTheWhite1
4 жыл бұрын
@@wilshirewarrior2783 😢
@JP-mn5iv
Жыл бұрын
Smith was a Freemason, which is why most modern temple ceremonies between Mormons and Freemasons seem to mimic one another. The Mormon church and the Book of Mormon are good examples of what alchemists and Freemasons call “the great work.” The whole point is to make god-men who people worship during their lives and especially after their deaths…. This causes people to either knowingly or unknowingly break the first and second commandments, which is why satan rewards people who perform the great work with riches and fame….. but rest assured Joseph Smith is paying terrible consequences for what he has done and for all the hundreds of thousands of people his false fallen doctrine has led straight into the devils arms. Be vigilant folks, any church that promotes the self deification of man is thoroughly satanic, regardless of how well they dress or how nice they appear. God bless
@ItsMeKelso
8 жыл бұрын
but the mormons argue joseph had a 4th grade education....and could translate so perfectly o___0 ugh
@robertallison107
8 жыл бұрын
Mormons make a LOT of claims that are nonsense. Translation is NOT done with a rock and a hat ! Silly Mormons !!!!!
@darkgoat2167
8 жыл бұрын
Actually, the church finally admits that Joseph Smith did use the rock and hat to translate the Book Of Mormon.
@robertallison107
8 жыл бұрын
MrAtheist Delusion So what's your point ? Translation is NOT done with rocks and hats !!! If you believe he did so, you've got rocks in your head !!
@robertallison107
8 жыл бұрын
MrAtheist Delusion And, for the "explanation". What a LAME excuse for such nonsense. You get sillier MORE each day. No wonder LDS folks are the laughingstock of Christians ! Billions of Bible-believers worldwide ridicule Smith and his myth. No brains, no headache...
@robertallison107
8 жыл бұрын
MrAtheist Delusion No, the Mormons are the desperate ones. People are leaving the LDS nonsense in DROVES after they've found out about Smith and his subterfuge. Looks like Mormons have a REAL PROBLEM. A Second Exodus is occurring...from Mormonism to genuine Christianity. OOOOPS !!!
@BigKotorFan
9 жыл бұрын
This is a very well put together video. If anyone questions the info brought by this video, it's easy to verify it. Though I do expect many Mormons to be offended by this.
@richardholmes7199
7 жыл бұрын
Their anti-Book of Abraham info is wrong to begin with.
@shawnmcaraphy5973
7 жыл бұрын
+Richard Holmes Who is laying on the alter?
@steelman1506
6 жыл бұрын
Richard Holmes You're funny. Yes we know that now Joseph Smith was simply saying that our internal organs should be pagan gods....by your interpretation of the facsimile this is what Mr smith was saying. LOL
@TheFpCassini
6 жыл бұрын
+Richard Holmes please elaborate. thanks.
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
@@steelman1506 Were you STUPID enough to have believed the Egyptologists were right? Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) youtube'' to see this translation of the sensen text the right way. Then tell us if you all were indeed STUPID enough to have trusted an arrogant Egyptologist, then came to find out the Egyptologists based everything on false assumptions on translation. Let me know if you all and the Egyptologists were STUPID enough to have believed the Egyptological assessments on translation were right, in other words.
@GustavoHenrique-dp7so
3 жыл бұрын
These guys already tried to convert me and I almost fell for it... I'm glad I took time to research and get to know what are they beliefs. They're so dishonest that they wanted me to join their church before they told me the insane things they preach. They probably know polytheistic beliefs are intolerable for any real Christian, thus they were almost embarrassed when I confronted them about it. A bunch of guys who believe they'll become God one day, that's not just naive, it's evil.
@djadams7795
3 жыл бұрын
Bullocks!
@djadams7795
3 жыл бұрын
Tell it to the false prophet Pope Francine with his red handmade baby skin shoes!
@GustavoHenrique-dp7so
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not catholic.
@djadams7795
3 жыл бұрын
@@GustavoHenrique-dp7so just an idiot
@djadams7795
3 жыл бұрын
@@GustavoHenrique-dp7so You stink like Hunter Biden!
@proverbs2522
Жыл бұрын
I love this. Don’t forget about the huge freemasonry club they were all a part of. Still involved too. The leaders know this is all bunk!
@10thmountainvet
5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Very informative.
@EarlFaulk
8 жыл бұрын
Man it must be very easy to con people into believing nonsense.
@EarlFaulk
8 жыл бұрын
***** It seems that on every video critical of Mormonism Eric is always there posting like he has nothing better to do. Heck, I found some of my old threads that I posted in and he drove the replies up to 500. I seriously think he is suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Most people would give up on arguing well before 500 replies.
@robertallison107
8 жыл бұрын
No doubt. He is just one of the many LDS hobgoblins that frequent these sites. They don't have sense enough to stay away AFTER they've been bested !!!
@robertallison107
8 жыл бұрын
***** Not sure what your point is....can you expound further on your "core" beliefs ?
@catgodswim
8 жыл бұрын
I post this whenever I need to make a point, I did make this, I just copied and pasted it from myself. Jesus isn't real; he is a myth to explain occurances. I was raised a Mormon, and I used to believe it. However I have/had a strong sense of logic and problem solving. My father and mother were also Mormon and raised me well. So it isn't my past. Also we live on this earth by luck. Because of all of the galaxies, it is actually bound to have life on a planet, and if we haven't had the luck then you would not be here to say that he and God exist.. So if we weren't here, it wouldn't be this luck problem. So pretty much what I am saying, is, if we were not here we couldn't say it wasn't luck and that a redeemer saved us.. Since we are here, we assume it was for a purpose and that we are meant to have happened. Actually, if you weren't here, if none of us were here, then you couldn't say it was for a purpose. I hope this made sense, I tried to put it in my simplest words yet it still turned out long.
@tammyrogers7932
7 жыл бұрын
Thesignsofanidiot.
@todddobson8244
10 жыл бұрын
Mormonism....here's your bible....the truth.....let's scratch that out...ok now it's the truth.....let's scratch that out...ok now it's the truth....let's scratch that out....
@Diviance
10 жыл бұрын
Mormonism... the only religion where a convicted conman actually _does_ know the truth*. *Not the truth.
@richardholmes7199
10 жыл бұрын
Todd Dobson Mormonism (Jesus Christ) is closer to ancient christian than any other church! Where you been?
@Diviance
10 жыл бұрын
Richard Holmes You mean Judaism? Because that is what "Ancient Christianity" is. And no, Mormonism is no closer to this... "Ancient Christianity" than any other Christian denomination. At least the other denominations aren't so insane as to go "No, but seriously guys, Jews were in America thousands of years ago! For realsies!"
@richardholmes7199
10 жыл бұрын
Diviance Of course you knew they were born of Egyptian Gentile (woman) because you wouldn't post and then realize this right?
@Diviance
10 жыл бұрын
Richard Holmes I was mocking your religion. The origins of the jews in the US are irrelevant, it is nothing more than a fairy tale. It never happened. All historical evidence is utterly against this hilarious, ridiculous mythology.
@ronbrewer3493
4 жыл бұрын
I know that God is our fathe the Father of our spirits before we got our bodies. You could not develop faith if you new everything and if you new everything you would be a God you are not a God but nearther is a baby an adult. Let's all grow up and become more like our Heavenly Father. I will if you will .why find fault with Christ and His true living prophets and apostles. I am sure they made lots of mistakes. We need not do the same .
@Rypaul5217
9 жыл бұрын
"Soon after I came to the realization that the Book of Mormon is not what it claims to be, I became deeply upset. I had firmly believed that it was true. I had not been looking for evidence to prove it wrong. I had been looking for research that could be viewed as supportive. It was a shock to have my belief shattered so quickly… [ex-LDS Bishop and senior micro geneticist Dr. Simon Southerton] David J. Johnson, BYU professor--- “No one has found any inscriptural evidence for, or material remains that can be tied directly to any persons, places or things, mentioned in the book (of Mormon).” BH. Roberts, LDS Historian once wrote. "“In light of this evidence, there can be no doubt as to the possession of a vividly strong, creative imagination by Joseph Smith, the Prophet, an imagination, it could with reason be urged, which, given the suggestions that are found in the ‘common knowledge’ of accepted American antiquities of the times, supplemented by such a work as Ethan Smith’s View of the Hebrews [published in Palmyra in 1825], it would make it possible for him to create a book such as the Book of Mormon is.”
@bartonbagnes4605
Жыл бұрын
Except Ezra Smith's book wasn't written in ancient Hebraic writing styles, like The Book Of Mormon is, some not even identified until long after Joseph Smith's death. It's Impossible to copy something that hasn't been discovered yet. Also Nahom was discovered to be a real place by the Red Sea, but not until long after Joseph Smith was dead. It was right where it was described in The Book Of Mormon, and has been used to identify another place that perfectly matches the description in The Book Of Mormon, neither of which were known until quite recently. Also found recently was the City Of Lehi named in the Bible, where the local Bedouins tell the legend of a prophet who prophesied of the destruction of Jerusalem around 600 BCE. And disappeared with his family before Jerusalem was destroyed. The name of the prophet in the legend is not known, to them at least. But I suppose Joseph could just be a God level guesser with an active imagination, as many imply.
@richardholmes5676
Жыл бұрын
@@bartonbagnes4605 What is your response to the reality of Paul Gregersen debunking the arrogant Egyptologists? Paul proved Smith right, the Egyptologists wrong. What is your response?
@bartonbagnes4605
Жыл бұрын
@@richardholmes5676 Remarkable, since only 5% of Egyptian documents have even been translated. Who knows what else will be discovered in the rest?
@Lion_Hamza
5 жыл бұрын
Funny I'm not American or Mormon but love to learn about this naughty boy Joseph Smith.
@canderssonswedican7486
5 жыл бұрын
He liked virgins.
@mcloward1
4 жыл бұрын
To hear a man, revered my entire life as "the one true prophet" and pretty up there with Jesus, reduced down to a "naughty boy" is so important for me😂
@Lion_Hamza
4 жыл бұрын
@ippos_khloros lol not really. Joseph was a known liar. Mohammed pbuh not. Islam established itself as a world religion, Mormonism not. Further the Quran is based on a existing people the arabs, who lived in saudi arabia. While the book of mormon is pure fantasy.
@Lion_Hamza
4 жыл бұрын
@@mcloward1 it was not my intention to disrespect Joseph Smith or Mormons.
@presadisticlaw9717
4 жыл бұрын
Muhammed not a liar? Lol. He said that Abraham and Ishmael built the Kabba but Abraham never went anywhere close to Saudi Arabia according to the Old Testament. Mormonism fits the definition of a world religion but it isn't as big as Islam because Muhammed lived in a place without Rule of Law. He could spread his religion by the sword. The Quran does talk about fictional people. Surah 18:86- "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people." This people must be fictional because the sun doesn't set in a muddy spring. It rotates around the earth. The Quran is just as much fantasy as the Book of Mormon.
@stakeelderanderson7737
9 жыл бұрын
I am leaving my Bishop roles in LDS
@abandonbelief
5 жыл бұрын
Its ok gypsy you've been reincarnated b4
@tenasanford8878
5 жыл бұрын
Just read the King James bible. It is God's perfect word. Only independent Baptist's believe that God's word is perfectly preseved as God promised Psalm 12:6&7.
@faasootauloavasai5544
5 жыл бұрын
@@tenasanford8878 Much respect to our Baptist Christian family over the clownish beliefs of the mormons but Baptist honor 9 of 10 commandments. "Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy..." God knew the 4th commandment would be forgotten. World history documents who changed the sabbath against God's command. Nowhere from genesis to revelation is the 4th commandment was to be changed except by man's deception.
@daveyjones9930
5 жыл бұрын
Stake Elder. Why?
@jacobsmith568
5 жыл бұрын
@@tenasanford8878 a 17th century Anglican translation is the preserved word? Not the thousands of manuscripts that have been preserved from the 2nd century onward in the original language? (Let alone all of the translations and their manuscripts?) Why not any other English translation if there can only be one? I like the Geneva (1560) personally if were to read early modern English translations.
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
The Egyptological assessment crap presented at the beginning of this video was cleary debunked in 2014, when are you going to update your video to account for this?
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
@Avenged- Sevenfold It isn't a lie, this has already been explained to you, explained to you multiple times as a matter of fact.
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
@Avenged- Sevenfold I don't have a damned thing to do with any of this.
@2326038
5 жыл бұрын
@@richardholmes7199 Oh Richard. Copping out again eh? Big coward!!!!
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
@@2326038 How am I copping out?
@gunnerlawts
5 жыл бұрын
@@2326038 number, you fool. Dark wing has not identified a lie - just asked a question with the assumption God lied in the book. If I were responding, I would do the same as Holmes; say he's been answered multiple times (because he has) and not answer again at least until a lie was identified. If you can identify a lie in dope's (wing's) claims, by all means, reference where e can read it? Also, it seems like you didn't learn when I said cowardice was for the battlefield. Holmes has not done anything that could be called cowardly. You really are an ignoramus. One more point - 2 hrs of silence is hardly time to determine one has copped out. Fools rarely come any bigger than you, but dope still has you pegged.
@historyoftheldssaints4295
5 жыл бұрын
This video is surprisingly very accurate in its presentation of the 10 issues explained
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
The Egyptological crap was debunked in the year 2014, where have you been?
@robertrosskopf4641
5 жыл бұрын
@@richardholmes7199 Every time the church is supposedly debunked, wait a month. It will be undebunked. The complicated reasoning that "debunked" the Book of Abraham was based on false assumptions. One of those assumptions was that Joseph Smith wrote the Kirtland Egyptian Papers. If he did, he did it in someone else's handwriting. Another assumption was that the KEP were translation notes. It can be demonstrated that they are not translation notes. The third assumption was that the eye witness testimony of both member and non-members was wrong concerning the length of the Book of Abraham scroll. The Book of Abraham scroll was maybe 20 feet long, and certainly not the 1 or 2 page Sensen Permit.
@nerdnul
5 жыл бұрын
@@richardholmes7199 Have you discovered the truth yet Rich?
@richardholmes7199
5 жыл бұрын
@@robertrosskopf4641 Strange how that these anti-Mormons make assumptions, get proven wrong, ignore it, then continue on as if no one will ever notice.
@robertrosskopf4641
5 жыл бұрын
@@richardholmes7199 People seldom know when they live in an imaginary world. That is true for both members and nonmembers. There are traditions in the LDS church that did not come from a prophet's revelation. And sometimes we as members are entirely too trusting. Sometimes though it would be wise for Skeptics to be skeptical of the skepticism. Doubt, by itself, isn't a source of Truth.
@Platelunchexpress
5 жыл бұрын
jahova church of the latter day witness lol
@samizdatbroadcasts7654
7 жыл бұрын
You are among the best narrators I've ever heard on KZitem. Bravo!
@ralphwiggam7630
2 жыл бұрын
"The LDS Church publishes its best historical material on the First Vision and that is the version that I accept, regardless of the white noise of public opinion." One of the most insidiious, deceiitful, wiicked things lyiing apologists do is that they dismiss any and all information that conflicts with the official narrative presented by our cult ... regardless of the source or facts presented ... :( So on one hand, they swear that the words of joseph smith are 100% diviine "truth" ... but then when the exact words of joseph smith are presented where joseph contradicts himself, it is totally dismissed as "gossip" and "white noise" ... This is how the 1838 version of the "first vision" can be accepted as true, while ALL the other totally different, even contradictory versions of the "first vision" are discarded ... lyiing apologists are fine saying that they believe joseph smith was a "profit" because they have granted themselves the power to selectively choose what he said that IS and IS NOT valid ... nothing could be more deceiiftul or wiicked ... :(
@kjvjay
2 жыл бұрын
Lying apologists are fine saying that they believe joseph smith was a "profit" because they have granted themselves the power to selectively choose what he said that IS and IS NOT valid ... nothing could be more deceitful or wiicked. It must be reminded to Mormons who question what Mormon prophets and Mormon so-called apostles have taught that Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, said, “…He [meaning the Mormon exalted man god] made me be god to you in His stead, and the Elders to be mouth for me; and IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT, YOU MUST LUMP IT.” Profound instruction for the close of General Conference, Nauvoo, IL, April 8 1844 (Teaching of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p 363, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, 10th Mormon false prophet)
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