Forgive me, I perhaps got a bit ranty ranterson here :)
@Ssatkan
9 жыл бұрын
I feel with you considering Andor, I (I'm German) have the very same problem with games like Space Hulk: Death Angel, for instance, that came out in German, but without any of its expansions. Funnily enough, this is a Fantasy Flight production.
@bradandrews777
8 жыл бұрын
I think that is usually a common thread in your videos. It certainly makes you unique. I don't think you would be the same if you were too concise. People keep coming back, so I wouldn't worry too much.
@Empurity
9 жыл бұрын
And the top 10 underrated games are: 10. The Isle of Doctor Necreaux (1:01) 09. Paperclip Railways (6:39) 08. Milestones (10:35) 07. Spectaculum (14:12) 06. Prêt-à-Porter (18:12) 05. Star Trek Expeditions (22:29) 04. Hawaii (29:10) 03. Merkator (33:16) 02. Dark Horse (36:27) 01. Legends of Andor (39:49)
@KabukiKid
10 жыл бұрын
I love how you said at the end that you try to keep it calm in your videos normally. Have you ever watched yourself? heh... I get hyper just watching! :-D I love the energy, so don't think I am complaining.
@beartoes2002
10 жыл бұрын
I paused the video at 4:44 to step away. Hilarity ensued when I came back and looked at my monitor. Rahdo, I love the videos.
@shatnershairpiece
10 жыл бұрын
You know what is overrated? Replay ability. I have 13 games. I can barely get all of them played once or twice with my wife, let alone five times each. Some have been sitting on the shelf for years without a play. I also lose interest in games fast (to me it's like watching a movie: once is enough; been there, seen that) and I like to move onto something new after even a couple plays. Imagine I had 100's of games. I could not imagine playing one repeatedly. Hard enough to play each game even once. So, if a game can offer even four repeat plays that are fun, that is more than enough for me. I have legendary encounters: alien, and that has only four scenarios. I have played one in the last month since purchasing and doubt I will ever get through all four. I am too busy researching the next games I am going to buy. The thrill and anticipation of the new and THIS VIDEO CHANNEL are not helping. ;)
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
shatnershairpiece :)
@joshmayes1538
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I needed that ;)
@Jiiri
10 жыл бұрын
Interesting, as always, Richard. I agree with you that Pret a Porter was good. My wife and I are a lot like you and Jen, and we just sadly traded Pret away. We liked it, and the theme wasn't a problem, but rules ambiguities and lack of rules support from the designer on the Geek caused us to become frustrated with it. Everything you said I could see, but I just didn't want to spend the immense effort to get a lot of the rules right, and there were a lot of questions (this seems to be standard for Ignacy). I just wanted to add that theme wasn't the reason everyone had problems with it. Thanks!
@alexanderwochnik8712
10 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree with you on "Legends of Andor". I have a third reason to add why LoA is unjustifiably undervalued. The game has been designed in such a way that we as players can invent our own legends and add new chapter to the story (in fact there are hundreds of legends invented by gamers online already, many of which are fantastic. There is even a competition initiated by Kosmos for the best legend etc.). For me that is the element that is most desirable in a FANTASY; the fact that you can completely immerse yourself in a story which can only happen if your imagination is given the space to do so. This cool element is especially desirable for playing with kids since it grasps and develops their imagination rather than kills it by playing a game where a story is already known (e.g. the tons of Lord of the Rings games; or boring dice rollers). LoA reminds me of the book "Neverending Story" by Michael Ende where the book is every time different when a new reader reads the book - incidentally also written by a German. Anyway, hope this has not gotten too long. Am addicted to your runthroughs. You made me create a youtube account just so I can comment ;-) Keep up the excellent work!
@jonofpdx
9 жыл бұрын
Never played Andor but you sold it pretty well. I may try to pick up a copy as someone who does love a meaty coop. I was always of the impression that FFG never released the expansions because it just never sold that well state-side. I know I have seen it on clearance a couple times at my FLGS and on FFG's own webstore back in the day. I just don't know if it was that great a fit for FFG's core audience as a lot of people went in thinking it was more of an ameritrash dice-roller and got burned. FFG certainly has the money to license and localize it but unless there's a proven audience for it I doubt we'll get the expansions state-side until FFG lets go of the license and someone (likely a smaller company with more modest profit expectations) can pick it up.
@PurityThruFire
10 жыл бұрын
In my book it's a crime for Milestones to be underrated. It's a fantastic game that sees plenty of table time here and one I encourage everyone to give at least a try.
@JayChampagne
10 жыл бұрын
Re: Dark Horse -- publishers should take note. If your box art is dominated by a train, your sales WILL suffer (unless you're Ticket to Ride, apparently). When gamers see a train, we associate it with 18xx, Age of Steam, Crayon Rails, etc. In other words, we assume it's a serious game for serious people that should be played seriously, and most of us go screaming for the hills. Even Uwe Rosenberg knows that a heavy euro is more palatable with a touch of whimsy. If you're making a new game that you think has a broader audience than the people who play "train games", don't put a train on the box!
@bflpanthers
10 жыл бұрын
I agree with you 100%!!!. I got this game on eBay last month played 4 of legends and lost only the last. I found this bonus legend on the games website and made my own cards using poster board over the weekend. Played the bonus legend and lost within 20 minutes. Darn Scrals got to space 0 before I could kill three of them. If only we can petition FFG I will definitely back you up on it!!
@clumsydad7158
8 жыл бұрын
Rah, great list as always, you make seemingly mediocre games sound amazing. Maybe it's time for a fresh list of the new underrated gems, since the time you made this one. Your gaming knowledge is always of interest.
@RayPhay
10 жыл бұрын
Legends of Andor is on my MUST BUY list because of your Gameplay. I have tried looking at other reviews and they just do not give this game the credit that you do. Great list and keep up the great work.
@Jonathan-rl8vv
9 жыл бұрын
Great list! I especially agree with your thoughts on Reiner Knizia. I'd go a bit further to say that ALL of his games are underrated or at least severely under-appreciated. He is a genius and his games are always simple yet deep, perfectly balanced, and incredibly tense.
@GamingRulesVideos
9 жыл бұрын
With you on Merkator. And... we hated it to start with because we were expecting something 'better'. But... once I accepted it for what it is, I do really enjoy it. Slight issues with the colours of the components which was a shame, but its not too bad.
@brandonkempf298
10 жыл бұрын
The Legends of Andor rant is spot on, thanks Rahdo!!
@shatnershairpiece
10 жыл бұрын
Legends of Andor should have you as a character included. Special ability: Raving lunatic. Can talk monsters into giving up without a fight. This game is now no.1 on my buy list.
@ThePaulGrogan
10 жыл бұрын
Played Merkator on Friday. I agree, it is an underrated game. The year it came out, we all hated it - maybe we were all expecting the next Le Havre, played it and went "errr, what?" However, years on, I've come to like the game a lot and its nice and easy to play. Saying that, the board had a fairly important design issue IMO, so I ended up making my own - and the cardboard boxes you get to put the cubes in just make it really fiddly - so we don't use them. Oh, they messed up the colour of the blue / purple too, so its hard to know which is which sometimes. Production issues aside though, the game is nice.
@omnitheus5442
10 жыл бұрын
The problem with Hawaii's popularity is the house keeping and set up in between each round. It just grated on me to the point where I cannot be bothered pulling out and playing when I can play something else that has better game play like Tzolk'in.
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
we never found the bits too hard. setup is faster than Puerto Rico since all our islands are individually bagged, and the 5 rounds are no more onerous than Agricola, since we split the duty of seeding the board, so it's done is like 10-15 seconds :)
@chanm01
10 жыл бұрын
Really interesting to see how everybody`s preferences influence the games they perceive to be underrated. By way of contrast, I would recommend that people who haven`t seen the Dicetower`s Top Ten Underrated Games go take a look at that. As far as the whole Andor-FF thing goes, I would just trust that FF knows best how to read their target market. I am fairly confident that if if the initial run of Andor sold as well as the Star Wars X-Wing game, for example, that FF would be tripping over itself to print Andor supplements. The company that makes Stars Wars and Lord of the Rings games not being able to negotiate a licensing issue with a foreign board game publisher... just does not make sense to me. The problem with Andor that I see is that it`s not quite sure which audience it wants to appeal to. Too much of a euro for the Ameritrash crowd, but with a theme that is a bit too fluffy for the Eurogaming crowd. Not a single stern looking historical figure to be seen. So basically what I am saying is that Andor is like Sylvester Stallone presents An Inconvenient Truth. :-)
@Coalgolem
10 жыл бұрын
Hawaii is a fantastic game, one of our favorites,and I was very happy to see it on this list. Thanks for the video :)
@tengobotas
10 жыл бұрын
Legends of Andor is spectacular. Its hard to believe that its not a huge hit.
@framebrain
10 жыл бұрын
I see a few games I own on this list (Merkator, Milestones, Hawaii) - reminder of why I am a RRT fan! :)
@TheRooster1972
10 жыл бұрын
"Dried up udder on a skeleton" - gold, very funny Richard
@javierper3z
10 жыл бұрын
I might pull the trigger on Legends of Andor after this. We have the Devir edition in spanish over here (way cheaper than the FFG one) and I think they will be putting out the expansions as well. Also I'm a sucker for a pretty board.
@greyknightcaine3000
10 жыл бұрын
Hehe nice comment on FFG. We feel the love for Andor, but i would agreed that Andor is not underrated at least in the German speaking countries. Kennerspiel winner means high sales.
@kosterix123
5 жыл бұрын
You raise some intersting arguments on Andor. Andor has 130+ custom quests/adventures. The bad news: it's all in German. FFG is American. They only know HP Lovecraft. They don't understand German. Actually, I found the mechanism in Andor a bit too basic, it felt 1970-ish, with the single upgrades on shields and stats and d6, so much so that I couldn't be bothered by setting up adventure 4, plus nobody really liked it I showed it to. The problem is that people never get past the second adventure. The first 2 are indeed lame. The tragedy of Andor is that it's far too complex for normal people, and far too simplistic for gamers. However I do see your points. And it's such a shame infinite replayability no longer is a selling point.
@vincivader
10 жыл бұрын
So simple, Fantasy Flight isnt asking "where's the love," theyre asking "where's the money?" It cant have sold too well in America, otherwise theyd be churning out expansions by now. LoA is like that Oscar winner movie that will be seen by like 10 people at most but will always lose out to the Avengers/Ironman of the world in financial metrics. If LoA were published by a smaller company it might see the love youre requesting Rahdo.
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
and yet FF does do print on demand expansions for several of their games, so why not for LoA, especially since all the work is already done?
@vincivader
10 жыл бұрын
I only knew of BSG stuff like that. Maybe that question might be an issue with the developer not wanting to deal with it apart from just German stuff? I dunno im just spitballing here now. Maybe hes really busy doing his fantastic art for other games to warrant any expansion for this anytime soon.
@jwspiker
10 жыл бұрын
would love to find a new version of Paperclip Railways, bit expensive, will wait to see if I can find a copy, and Milestones, Pret-a-Porter, Hawaii, Dark Horse and Legends of Andor all look great.
@paveldolezal7027
4 жыл бұрын
Thanx, I am keen on Merkator or Spectaculum but cannot get them.
@jamescmathis
10 жыл бұрын
I just picked up Legends of Andor this week. Im hoping maybe they will release all the expansions as a deluxe expansion.
@rockxhero
10 жыл бұрын
The Star Trek Expeditions game did make your Top 10.5 Gateway Games list
@jwspiker
10 жыл бұрын
I think some people aren't into the Theme of Dark Horse, think they ran the KS at the wrong time of the year as well.
@bookaddict777
10 жыл бұрын
I agree about them running the KS at the wrong time of the year. I got into it, but I am sure a lot of people were scared off by the timing.
@FlavioMarceloSousa35
6 жыл бұрын
Scott Peterson's Pirateer is brilliant and the most underrated game ever.
@1980alexsee
10 жыл бұрын
Also, I was planning on getting either copycat or pret-a-porter. Since you and your wife have played both of them, which would you suggest for 2 players?
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
they both work fine for 2p, so i think it comes down to which theme + complexity you're looking for. pret is MUCH heavier than copycat, which is a fine gateway game :)
@1980alexsee
10 жыл бұрын
***** Ok. Thank you rahdo. I will be getting the copycat as a birthday present this for my family then.
@davedogge2280
8 жыл бұрын
I didn't know Fantasy Flight Games once published Legends of Andor... here in Europe it's Kosmos now and all the expansions for it, in English, Spanish, German etc. FFG must have dropped it as they don't have much on their website about it, it's not even officially listed as a game they sell anymore, just rulebook data and a vague reference to the base game not any of the expansions that are out for it etc. Maybe its a U.S. publisher agreement only for FFS to publish it in that region.
@rahdo
8 жыл бұрын
yup, that's correct, and since then an american subsidiary of Kosmos (Thames-Kosmos) has taken over english publishing of Andor games (and other Kosmos games as well)
@JohnLudlow
7 жыл бұрын
I must have got one of the last FFG copies - bought it last year. We've tried to play it a few times (even just the tutorial quest) and every time we end up messing it up, and it always seems to be that the way you learn the game (which is supposed to be an easy way into it) has you swapping from the quest cards to the introduction sheet, and sometimes you need to draw the next quest card before doing anything else, and sometimes you need to do something first, and it seemed that wasn't always obvious. It seems like there's a great game in there somewhere, and maybe everyone else in the world doesn't have the same issue with the introductory quest.
@szajko4360
9 жыл бұрын
Is doing a runthrough for Star Trek Expeditions still on your list? I completely agree with everything you said, a totally underrated game (although, I prefer TNG over TOS).
@rahdo
9 жыл бұрын
Szajko yup, will be likely filming it this week in fact! :)
@szajko4360
9 жыл бұрын
Yaaay! :)
@svenredecker3755
10 жыл бұрын
would love to find a runthrough of Innovation, which is extremly underrated in my oppinion and which is a great, great game from Carl Chudyk who also designed the amazing Glory to Rome
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
played innovation and thought it was neat, but didn't enjoy it so much because of the random swings. still, respected its design. jen liked it more than me :)
@CptRoboto
10 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with ST Expeditions! Great game. Most game stores have it on clearance,too! Shame, shame.
@7thdimensiongames
10 жыл бұрын
Star Trek Expedition "because it is a fixed story" You've got it. After 3 games on expert level, we figured out how to always win - only hit the cards that are required. Use Spock to peek at all the cards. The majority of the cards are identical every game. The opposite should be true. The majority should be different and you should be required to solve some of them to finish the game. Expansions may have solved this problem - but we will never play it again
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
wow, that is mind boggling to me. i guess we don't play with spock enough, but that's not our experience at all, and playing hard the red difficulty is always challenging for us (though we ignore the rules that say even scoring 1 point counts as a win... for us, anything less than 30 is a out and out fail!)
@7thdimensiongames
10 жыл бұрын
***** If you have 2 players, one is Spock and his job is to play "Memory". He looks at all the cards and tells the other player which one to hit next.
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
7th Dimension Games interesting... like i said, we rarely play with spock because we hate memory games, and didn't want to have to memorize 10-15 card locations (since you don't get to . if that one thing is ruining the game for you, i might suggest you opt out of that as well... there are other characters you can play :) or you could increase the difficulty by specifying that a player can only use their special action once per turn... consider it a "beyond red" difficulty level. Hmm, that could be cool actually! :)
@veliademveli
10 жыл бұрын
Great video. Since your a star trek fan have you ever played fleet captain. That's a great game
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
fleet captain is very cool, but it's way to aggressive, attack based so we traded it away.
@veliademveli
10 жыл бұрын
also do you have any of the expansions for the attack wing? if you do which ones do you have and also if you do would you do a demo or play session of that?
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
Veli Veli nope, after playing the with the base set for awhile, we traded it away, again because jen didn't enjoy the combat stuff
@DangerKennyB
10 жыл бұрын
Knizia only phones it in these days. If he still made games like Tigris and Euphrates, Amun Re, Ra, Lord of the Rings, Roya Turf, stuff like that, gamers would still love him. He just cashes big paychecks these days with works that are derivative of his past glories.
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
I'm betting he himself would disagree. Just because he's not making the kinds of games hardcore geeks want doesn't mean he's not putting his heart and soul into the games he is making, imo :)
@SenseiJae
10 жыл бұрын
the biggest problem with Star Trek Expeditions is that there is only one mission.
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
there's an infinite number of missions. every time you get different combination of cards on the planet, different combinations of energize cards, different combinations of characters, etc. like I said in the video, IGNORE the story of nimbus 3 and instead focus on the story you're creating. there's only 1 mission in pandemic, and yet people still play it over and over and continue to have fun :)
@SenseiJae
10 жыл бұрын
a couple of these suffer from just being really hard to get, like Island of Dr Necreaux
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
like i said in the vid, check boardgameprices.com it's not hard to get at all :)
@devourerofbabies
10 жыл бұрын
Pret A Porter sounds awesome.
@MrZeroCoolITA
10 жыл бұрын
I agree at 1000% on Pret-a-Porter (great game) that it's very underrated, but doesn't agree with Legends of Andor. First of all because it's not underrated, and second becasuse i really hate it... a fantasy game where you can't kill monsters... it's like a sudoku solved in 4 instead of solo... not my cup of tea. Anyway i appreciate your video... as usual!
@MrShyguy999
9 жыл бұрын
OH YOUR TALKING ABOUT THIS TYPE OF GAME!!! sorry wrong video…...
@bijanajamlou5152
10 жыл бұрын
Great list! Maybe ffg dont have the license for the expansions.
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
could be, though I'm confident that it could be theirs if they want it :(
@TyphoidBryan
10 жыл бұрын
Outside of Rahdo and Drive-Thru Review, I don't hear much love for Welcome to Walnut Grove. It appears to be a solid game in the vein of Agricola, but is a bit of a struggle to do well in. Perhaps that's its "downside" and the reason why it's not popular. I tend to like games that punish those who make poor moves and this one seems to be right up my alley.
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
i thought about mentioning walnut grove in this vid, but decided against because it's so hard to find now...
@willyboy6820
10 жыл бұрын
If you could only afford Pret-A-Porter ("ready to wear") or Rococo (aka Rokoko), which game would you buy/play?
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
wow, that's a very tough one! i think... i think... i'm going to have to go with pret. rococo is a great game too (and has a much better manual, etc.) but I get more satisfaction out of the multiple stages of development in pret I think :)
@willyboy6820
10 жыл бұрын
***** Thank you. I think this is the first response I have ever received from a You Tube videographer. Cool. Next time I'm in Malta (or next time you come to Chicago), I will buy you and Jen a beer (or wine, cider whatever you wish). :-)
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
William Daniels hehe, whenever i find myself back in the states, I'm usually chasing after the best vanilla milkshake i can find, as you can't really get decent milkshakes in europe
@SenseiJae
10 жыл бұрын
Battlestar Galactica is the best game in FFG's cadre. Not the expansions, only the base game.
@SenseiJae
10 жыл бұрын
***** I have. It's nice to have the basestar minis and extra characters, but the base game is the best way to play.
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
never played BGS as it required at least 3 players and I don't have 3 to play with! :)
@DangerKennyB
10 жыл бұрын
Jae Cordes --Truth
@waterwixxxer
10 жыл бұрын
We sold dark horse immediately and the person I sold it to sold it immediately after one play and probably only got 10 bucks out of the game. Just thought you should know there are a lot of people out there that do not seem to enjoy it.
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
would be curious to know why you didn't like it
@waterwixxxer
10 жыл бұрын
Busy in a way that I did not feel flowed well. I did not like the way the routes needed to be built and much preferred Takenoko's irrigation as it was intuitive. The rules and the look of the board, both seemed home grown. Neither appeared professional or to the level of most of the games that we play. We do not want to watch an hour and twenty minute video to get going. The win conditions with two players seemed awkward. The gameplay of dice placement felt repetitive. What was not repetitive: take that cards and roles for extra powers seemed out of place. Clunky. Slow. Not fun. I hope I can lay my route out just right this time. Just a really, really awful game that made me think that the mechanics were gathered from other games and combined, without the combiner understanding why those mechanics were in other games. We absolutely hated the feel of it and actually giggle when we speak its name. I am confident that the large majority of people out there will most definitely dislike Dark Horse. The designer compared his game to Castles of Burgundy and said that not everyone likes that kind of game. We have no problem with Castles of Burgundy or La Venise du Nord. Those are good games made by people who know what they are doing. I own Troyes and also expect it to be good. Dark Horse is a first timer effort in feel and look and it does not deserve anyone's forgiveness or any extra effort. In my opinion it may not pay you for either. You can try it though. I sold my copy with the print and play expansion for 18 dollars plus shipping in like new condition. Last time I looked in that auction of the user that I sold it to it was at 10 dollars and holding. There is no great demand for the game and the number of owners will not greatly grow.
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
waterwixxxer wow, okay! thanks for the very thoughtful response. can't say i agree with any of it - i like the production of the original game, love the components like sherrif's badge and deputy die, etc., and think the board is clean and easy to read, with an appropriately old west style graphic design approach. several different ways to score points so each game can play different, especially when you take into account the very different ability cards you can get, as well as unique character abilities. guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but thanks again for replying! :)
@shatnershairpiece
10 жыл бұрын
I totally get why pret a porter did not work for people. Theme is important for many, including myself. It is the first thing I look for when buying a game. I don't care that 'twilight struggle is no.1. The theme does nothing for me, so I would never want to play it. Same with Agricola. Farming does not excite my imagination. I love 'the walking dead ' and zombies, so 'dead of night' was a total win for me. I cannot stand abstract games of any kind. Even if a theme is pasted on, like lords of waterdeep, it is better than nothing, and certainly better than a theme like pret a porter. I am very interested to see how he is going to retheme this game.
@Sturak
5 жыл бұрын
Nothing replaces TOS
@1980alexsee
10 жыл бұрын
Rahdo, have you played smash up?
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
nope, we never find area control to be all that great with only 2p...
@1981dardar
10 жыл бұрын
Rahdo , it will be real awesome if you can do a top 10 solitaire game !!
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
i only play 2 games solo... so my top 2 would be 1) Space Hulk Death Angel and 2) SOS Titanic :)
@1981dardar
10 жыл бұрын
ok , i have space hulk . I shall check out titanic ! Thanks for the reply !
@kispihe
10 жыл бұрын
some little PnP expansion in english(LoA): www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/legends-of-andor/Andor_DieCuts_Wolf_Warrior.pdf legenden-von-andor.de/en/ (bonus-material) boardgamegeek.com/filepage/96602/kings-escort-pdf-files boardgamegeek.com/filepage/94455/three-new-the-stranger-hero-boards-and-abilities? boardgamegeek.com/filepage/98769/fan-legend-saruman-english boardgamegeek.com/filepage/89113/fan-legend-translation-to-eng-of-die-zwei-brucke boardgamegeek.com/filepage/89058/fan-legend-translation-to-eng-of-die-belagerung
@theturdreich9546
8 жыл бұрын
How many games do you have in your collection please .Every time u do a list I add more too buy games on my list no wonder I'm poor .any chance of top 10 games comming out
@rahdo
8 жыл бұрын
+Phil Barber you can always check out my collection at games.rahdo.com (everything that has a rank, which you might have to refresh the page for)
@theturdreich9546
8 жыл бұрын
+rahdo only a few then lol
@fnord3125
10 жыл бұрын
If FFG has "forgotten" Andor, it's because it isn't selling. Business is business, after all.
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
and my answer to that is FFG has done print on demand for other games expansions, but not this
@fnord3125
10 жыл бұрын
Would print on demand work here? I don't have Andor yet, so I'm not sure. I know that print on demand cards look and feel slightly different than normal cards, so they usually only do it in situations where the new cards won't need to be mixed in with normal cards.
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
brian well they did print on demand with Space Hulk Death Angel, and the cards seem to mesh fine. But regardless that wouldn't be an issue as the cards for a new Andor adventure are stand alone and don't mix with the older ones. But anyway, /shrug. I still think they undervalue it. I don't recall any ads on BGG trumpeting their Kennerspiel award winning game, for instance. Don't remember them talking it up at conventions in interviews. I mean, look at FFG's youtube channel. They've put out hundreds of of snazzy sales videos for other games: netrunner got tons of "look how cool the game is" stuff before its launch, as did many other titles. They never did a single promotion for Andor. Blood Bowl Team Manager got more love and support than Andor. Wiz-war got more support. WIZ-WAR!!!! My guess is "NIH" (not invented here). Andor is a red headed stepchild game that they never took the time or interest in supporting, like they do with all their own internally developed games. Cest la vie...
@fnord3125
10 жыл бұрын
in Death Angel, which I do have, the POD cards are never mixed with original cards. So it sounds like that would work with Andor, if you never mix them. And... are you hating on Wiz-War there? I can't tell...
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
brian ah, thanks for the clarification. i have to admit, even though i've got all the SHDA stuff, I never use it because I'm still enjoying the base game as is... don't want to add the new stuff until I get bored with the basics :) and sorry, I didn't mean to hate on Wiz-war. I've got nothing against it, but it's just not the type of game that's going to be winning the kennerspiel :) all I'm saying is that if FF had wanted andor to succeed, why didn't they give it the same marketing boost that all their other games get? especially considering its pedigree, and the willingness of the designer to continue to produce content for it (was just announced that Kosmos is doing another new boxed expansion for it that looks awesome, which FFG will, I fear, once again ignore). long story short: kosmos gave the game love and attention, took out ads in magazines in europe, made people know about it, and it's a big hit in germany. FFG left it to wither on the vine with no support, and (as far as we know) it failed to find its market. again, NIH is all I can think of to explain it...
@smolderssteven
10 жыл бұрын
Well i think the theme of Prêt-à-Porter (589 rank only 763 votes) isn't as interested amoung gamers. Look at Rococo its getting good reviews and still is only 607 (506 votes) rank on BGG. Not sure if they don't want to make dresses, but it just doesn't sound interesting.
@Lucky_Red_Fish
4 жыл бұрын
The new version of Prêt-à-Porter does not look half as nice that the one in this video.
@MsPimpster1969
9 жыл бұрын
what should be wrong with pret- a -porter? most games are male based so hoora for something different than fighting and building! thank you for letting me know this excists
@nanorider426
7 жыл бұрын
Tom Vasel stated that, when he played it at a con some guys he knew walked past pointed and said: "Ha! You're making dresses!" They were grown men - age wise. The designer, who Tom was played the game with, shook his head and told his that they were going to change the theme. ....and out came Rokoko which is a GREAT game. ^^
@MarioEnriqueAg
10 жыл бұрын
Why you don't see to the camera? Is distracting the way you confront the camera
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
Mario Aguila yes, it is a bad habit... i keep looking at the screen on the camera. i can't help it, but i do try not to! :)
@blindpringles
10 жыл бұрын
I sorta want to hear why you like OG Trek over Next Gen :P
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
oh don't get me started on that one!
@blindpringles
10 жыл бұрын
Well now I REALLY want to.
@decakjeisaozasuncem8843
6 жыл бұрын
you described everything about hawaii so well,exactly my thoughts fuck tom vasel, Rahdo rules ! i am watching only your videos anyway,you are the best !
@jonnymut
10 жыл бұрын
Ranked 257 on BGG is by definition not underrated. The rest of the games seemed quite valid but seriously? So many more games that people have actually not heard about and could be given a spotlight and you decided that a highly rated game x that has won prestigious awards and sold tons and tons of copies should be #1. Gahh. Common man!
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
well remember i specifically said Andor was underrated by the publisher Fantasy Flight, not by boardgamegeek! So the 257 ranking doesn't quite come into it :)
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
also, FYI if andor hadn't been on the list, my #10 would have been Gnomes of Zavandor, which I did already talk about in my top10 fantasy games. in case you were curious :)
@jonnymut
10 жыл бұрын
***** Oh ok I understand. I am fairly certain that Fantasy Flight will be printing out the promos at such point considering how highly the community regards it. I was curious about your #11 pick. Thanks.
@JackBaur85
10 жыл бұрын
Kingdom Builder
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
i thought about mentioning that one, but honestly, it's such a huge sales monster hit, I decided not to. it's true that a lot of people wrongly dismiss it, but a lot more people love it :)
@ThaGamingMisfit
10 жыл бұрын
I think the opposite is true though, it's the most overrated game of the modern boardgame era :p
@JackBaur85
10 жыл бұрын
why?
@EricLucero
10 жыл бұрын
Legends of Andor is the best game in FFG's catalog by far?? When you consider that FFG publishes one of the most well loved, longest running, and quite simply greatest hobby game of all time (Cosmic Encounter), you might want to rethink that statement. But I'll give you a pass since you admittedly only play 2-player games. :)
@yair1010
9 жыл бұрын
Cosmic Encounter is only good with the right kind of group.
@craigvivian
10 жыл бұрын
Pret a portay not pret a porter
@antoniope5971
10 жыл бұрын
Pret-a-porter (I think it's pronounced "pret-ah-portay") looks intruiging.
@DangerKennyB
10 жыл бұрын
And I'm not playing games about making dresses. Sorry about that.
@Ruud-py5fd
10 жыл бұрын
Legends of Andor -for me- is one of the most mediocre coops I've played, more reminiscent of a puzzle than a game. I'd play it, grudgingly.
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
that just makes no sense to me. having a great, tough puzzle to solve is exactly what makes for fantastic co-op experiences. if there's no problem to solve, why are we working together in the first place? this is why pandemic is great, hanabi is great, robinson crusoe is great, forbidden desert is great, etc.
@Ruud-py5fd
10 жыл бұрын
***** I don't agree. A good coop for me contains a grade of randomness, instead of the almost perfect predictability in Andor. Andor looks great, but for me is a sophisticated, predictable puzzle, and that makes it boring for me. I strongly dislike Hanabi, and I think the level of randomness is a lot higher in Crusoe than Andor.
@rahdo
10 жыл бұрын
Barry I'm not sure how andor has near perfect predictability, as random monster spawns and fog discoveries are regular occurrences that can lead to additional chains that have to be dealt with at the worst moments, as well as random item locations as well. but heck, if you strongly dislike hanabi as well, then i doubt we're ever going to see eye to eye on this one :)
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