+DarkKingBowser (insert title) doesnt belong this high on the list. Replace (title) with (other title)
@coolguy02536
6 жыл бұрын
And then insert golden era, masterpiece, linear, trash/garbage, yadda yadda
@coolguy02536
6 жыл бұрын
Aren't the older twins just gorgeous?
@YumiGoblin
9 жыл бұрын
"It received a great score from GT upon release....but that contract with Square Enix is no longer valid so we can bash it now"
@lav3777
9 жыл бұрын
Tek Yumi the game has no defenders "among the current staff" the way he said it you would thiink he murdered them xD
@stephen2624
9 жыл бұрын
Tek Yumi Then why doesn't GT change it's review score and re-review XIII if that's the case? Or at least admit Square-Enix bribed them or something. It's sad knowing that any good opinions about XIII that are lies. Why didn't GT defend it's score all those years ago?
@thirdeyekaii32
9 жыл бұрын
Stephen Mc Devitt because if they had really paid for it then it's their score, you can't just change it later on them......but that doesn't mean they can't go bash it years later lol
@stephen2624
9 жыл бұрын
THiRD EYE KAii But still... It's really jarring that they won't even owe up to their previous opinions but most likely Square-Enix will only allow it just in time to get people to buy their next game.
@GrandAngel8000
9 жыл бұрын
Stephen Mc Devitt It's because everyone else started hating it that they jumped on the hate wagon. Simple as that.
@xJustDontBiteItx
8 жыл бұрын
Final Fantasy is like pizza; even when it's bad, it's still pretty good
@Irsyad711
5 жыл бұрын
YASSS
@akiinmoonlight79
5 жыл бұрын
fact
@unlimitedkuudere2381
4 жыл бұрын
Sector Seven G except all the bravest
@notyurrealdad8743
3 жыл бұрын
Well maybe not 2
@WalkthroughGameMaste
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@xlrd98
8 жыл бұрын
Final Fantasy 13 will always be given shit, but it's not a bad game at all. Just very linear.
@aaroncalloway2898
8 жыл бұрын
+Bryan Wood they are all very linear. x was worse on that offense but its not cool to point out the flaws of x lol
@BlueMageDaisen
8 жыл бұрын
+Aaron Calloway 4 is probably THE most linear FF game at that
@aaroncalloway2898
8 жыл бұрын
lol i love 4 second best 2d ff
@BlueMageDaisen
8 жыл бұрын
Aaron Calloway No knock on 4, it just IS very linear No matter what you're gonna have the exact same party at the exact same levels at the exact same time every single time you play the game Party composition wasn't even a thing until the GBA and PSP versions and even then thats only for the final dungeon and the bonus dungeon
@aaroncalloway2898
8 жыл бұрын
yeah everyone loves to not notice how linear they all are and only point it out in 13
@fugfiggen1536
8 жыл бұрын
"B-but 13 isn't shit. It gets good after a trillion billion hours!"
@chrissorreda4982
8 жыл бұрын
+fug figgen Wait, is this serious?
@espurr4043
8 жыл бұрын
+fug figgen They said the same about 12...
@ABornRetroGamer
8 жыл бұрын
+Espurr 404 12 is my fav game of all time, soooooo
@mas8705
8 жыл бұрын
Why would I invest trillions of billions of hours into a game for it to be good at some point when I can play a final fantasy game that is good within the first few minutes?
@MrChubbyFlamingo
8 жыл бұрын
+mas8705 He was being sarcastic
@Deathlygunn
9 жыл бұрын
Not going to lie: I like Final Fantasy XIII, and Dirge of Cerberus. Final Fantasy XIII introduced me to the franchise, so I kind of enjoyed it, even if it's definitely one of the weaker entries I've played. Dirge of Cerberus was kind of a cool third person action game, I mean it's no where near as good as some action games, but at the same time it was still a enjoyable game that was good for wasting a few hours.
@557deadpool
9 жыл бұрын
I hate people like you who give a game a pass "just because it was your first"
@557deadpool
9 жыл бұрын
Kenshin X wtf does that have to do with anything?
@Deathlygunn
9 жыл бұрын
557deadpool I don't give it a pass because it was my first, but because I had nothing else to compare it to when I played it, so it seemed like a good game.
@557deadpool
9 жыл бұрын
Deathlygunn how can you say it's good if you had nothing to compare it to? That's fucking stupid.
@557deadpool
9 жыл бұрын
Kenshin X hypocrite
@BDevilScholar
10 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, but Final Fantasy XIII is not THAT bad, it wasn't the gem that the other Final Fantasy games were but it wasn't a "bad" game overall.
@linkno1
10 жыл бұрын
It wasn't 'that good' either. It was the most linear FF game by far, the combat was mostly "mash X" until you got to the last few bosses where you suddenly needed to use paradigm shifts to win, the story wasn't great, the characters are pretty bland and the players unput into combat and leveling was pretty minimal. It ditches most of the stuff you expect to find in a direct FF sequel. It would have probably been better received if it wasn't a numbered sequel and was just an FF spinoff, or even a different title entirely but compared to other games, it was just bad. You could also say the same about XI and XIV being too different from other numbered sequels but, I've always thought they should have been named Final Fantasy Online rather than a direct numbered sequel. At least they are good though.
@youngsexynerd1
10 жыл бұрын
linkno1 I hate the argument of "it was just mash X the whole game" Ummmm news flash, almost every Final Fantasy is like that, and almost EVERY FF was just as linear, only disguised it better! In FF13 all you had to do was to go to the option menu and change the default battle command to set it on abilities instead of auto battle... then BAM, simple as that! But all the other stuff I can agree with, but it still was not a bad game, just different, I would compare it to FF8. And I would score it a 8 out of 10!
@linkno1
10 жыл бұрын
youngsexynerd1 Even if you disabled auto attack, every battle option was under abilities and it was just as effective to use the first option in abilities (which was either 'attack' or 'ruin') for 95% of the game meaning you could still mash 'X' and see the end of it. I also wouldn't say it's as linear as the other FF games at all. I can't even think of what other FF game to compare it to because non of them have you crawling down a corridor for 20 hours. Hid it better? Sure they did, through overall better game design.
@linkno1
10 жыл бұрын
***** I managed it up until the last few boss fights. I fail to see where the challenge is.
@linkno1
10 жыл бұрын
***** Okay sure. I know I have and know the game is a piece of trash so I'm not going to go out of my way because 'you don't believe me'.
@Thirteen13551355
9 жыл бұрын
The After Years was pretty good, I think. The Gba/PS remakes of FF2 are pretty good also.
@Drakkona123
9 жыл бұрын
Paul Smith Nah, It's better than the base game IMO.
@Thirteen13551355
9 жыл бұрын
Drakkona123 Actually, if the After Years wouldn't have taken so many elements from FF4, and they were unique to the After Years, it would have been better than FF4.
@Drakkona123
9 жыл бұрын
dertien vijfenvijftig The band abilities and Cecil's Riku-like character development really sell that game for me. Also, the amount of optional characters, spells, areas, and countless other things you can do in that game just make it one of the most wonderful FF experiences for me. They took a world that they had made and expanded upon it, and they're awesome for that. I just don't understand why Luca has a face. I thought Dwarven faces were jet black, not brown.
@Thirteen13551355
9 жыл бұрын
Drakkona123 I totally agree with you.
@MetalSmasherGaming
9 жыл бұрын
Drakkona123 I agree. I thought The After Years was a worthy sequel to my favorite FF game.
@andrewbalaz7787
9 жыл бұрын
The hate on FFXIII for linear gameplay is tragically hilarious. FFX was just as linear if not more so since random encounters were scaled back and the end game becomes so painfully apparent of what you should be doing that the creators even give you Auto-Life for the final battle. If that's not hand holding, then I don't know what is. Why does no one ever bring up FFXII and it's horribly crippled storyline, unimaginative characters and side quests that were so immersive it took away from the storyline and you'd just get lost going from Hunt to Hunt? How about that miserable boss fight at the end? The useless helpers? The miserable bootleg summons? Even if there's enough people to defend FFXII...I dare you to defend FFXII-2: Revanent Wings...THAT was the worst game with Final Fantasy ever attached to it.
@vahn_legaia
9 жыл бұрын
The "last" fight in FF7 was also a guaranteed win. That wasn't meant to be the hard part, the first form was.
@andrewbalaz7787
9 жыл бұрын
Notice how I don't talk about 7 being a good game? I just like to point out the fact that people hate blindly on one or two without noticing the painful shortcomings of the others. Last fight in 7 was also 1 attack, not a whole build up going from beating your father, to killing your aeons that ends in a wet fart. Almost as bad of a final boss battle as the garbage that was Necros at the end of 9.
@mr_selfdestrukt
9 жыл бұрын
Andrew Balaz The Omni Slash attack on Sephiroth wasn't the "last fight", it was basicly just an interactive cut scene. Aside from that though, there is nothing blind about my own dislike for FFXIII. What killed it for me was the characters, if I am going to put hours upon hours into a game, I have to at least "like" the characters in said game, though I personally disliked almost each and everyone of them in FFXIII.
@zacharychappelle3078
9 жыл бұрын
I rather enjoyed FFXII and it's universe. The summons didn't bother me at all because they were trying to build a new pantheon associated with Ivalice. The story didn't feel crippled to me at all because the story was very straight forward and more time was focused on the journey than plot development. FFXII had my favorite combat system and I almost never got bored of grinding and exploring. Bosses were challenging if you didn't use a certain spell that reversed damage and you had free reign to craft archetypes onto any of your PCs. Also: Japanese Starwars.
@digitalnemesis5464
9 жыл бұрын
I've tried and tried and tried FF13 AT LEAST 6 times over the course of it's existence and I just can't do it. Lost Odyssy was the true FF13 of last gen.
@Regene4239
8 жыл бұрын
I actually quite enjoyed 13...
@owlflame
8 жыл бұрын
Cool
@justacat4159
8 жыл бұрын
+owlflame cool that you think is cool
@omargh18
8 жыл бұрын
same. it was a pretty good game as long as you have the patience to sit through long corridors
@owlflame
8 жыл бұрын
Omar Gharbieh I mean... I had that patience in ME3. But you know what? ME3 was also actually a good game. Not just something you could like if you were a fan of going onto every video where someone says "It wasn't good." and saying "AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO ACTUALLY LiKEd it!?"
@justacat4159
8 жыл бұрын
owlflame a lot of people liked 13
@BrentJohn
10 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, but calling Final Fantasy XIII a "bad game" is just dishonest. Is it flawed? Absolutely! The story was weak, the narrative relies on the player to read the datalog to know what's going on, and some characters made the characters in Transformers 2 tolerable in comparison, so I'm not going to say it's one of the best FF games. But the linearity wasn't THAT restrictive, the combat (while limiting to only 1 character at a time) was exhilarating with the paradigm shifts, and the soundtrack and cinematics were GORGEOUS! I mean, for fuck's sake, they gave the game an 8.6 when it was released. And they call it a "bad game?" I don't think so…
@TheGrimSmile
10 жыл бұрын
The biggest flaw I saw with FFXIII was that as soon as the world opened up, the story dwindled to practically nothing for everyone except Fang and Vanille. This is clear from the fact that in the little story summary available in XIII-2, of the 13 chapters, 10 of them take place during the first half of the game. I've heard that this is due to the fact that the focus was shifted late in production to focus on Lightning rather than Vanille and Fang, which would make a lot of sense. As it is, I found the characters' stories gripping for as long as they lasted, but they became so bland as each of their arcs were tied up. That being said, I loved the characters of XIII and loved pretty much everything about XIII-2. I look forward to eventually getting Lightning's Return,despite the poor reviews. Even with all the flaws in various games, SquareEnix has always managed to make me care about the characters.
@Rissole
10 жыл бұрын
***** I mean if you used Auto-Battle sure. But if you start using abilities, it makes it feel more natural. Not a lot different than spamming Attack in previous FF's honestly. I'm a fan of every FF though. I like that they can change some features of it. ATB is fun sure, but it gets boring being in all of them. ADB wasn't the best, but I appreciate they tried that with XIII. I actually wouldn't mind seeing something like LR:XIII gameplay in the future. XV I hope keeps the series roots, but is different enough to stand out on it's own.
@BrentJohn
10 жыл бұрын
***** I agree. Yeah, Auto-Battle will only get you so far in the game before you need to switch paradigms.
@BrentJohn
10 жыл бұрын
***** I think that not all the changes to the formula were for the better, but I have to disagree with your statement.
@BrentJohn
10 жыл бұрын
***** Again, I disagree. I feel that while the story was weak and required a datalog to understand it at all, the world was rich and rather intriguing. The battle system, while limited, allowed for character to move around the battle field freely instead of sticking to a single line in previous games, which is an improvement. It also allowed to switch roles when fighting with certain enemies and tactics. Yes, the first 10 chapters were a tutorial and were very linear. I'm not going to sit here and say the game is amazing because it's not. I just feel that it deserves a lot more credit than a lot of people give it.
@mr_selfdestrukt
9 жыл бұрын
Good list. From reading the comments and seeing the dislike bar, I'd say 80% of it is from FF13 fans, the other 20% is from FF Dirge of Cerberus fans.
@coolguy02536
9 жыл бұрын
Considering there are a vast abundance of retarded FF13 haters, I highly doubt that's plausible.
@mr_selfdestrukt
9 жыл бұрын
Mike Hawk "Considering there are a vast abundance of retarded FF13 haters, I highly doubt that's plausible." This video stated that Final Fantasy 13 is one of the top 10 worst Final Fantasy games created. Which would mean that the "Like" bar is filled with these so called "retarded FF13 haters" as they would *like* a video stating it is a "bad" game. Leaving the dislike bar, to be filled with the *fans* of Final Fantasy 13. Which makes my OP, plausible.
@Dman41000
9 жыл бұрын
C-c-c-ombo Breaker! Idk i started FF13 but i couldnt get into it AT ALL. I could get into FFD FFDD FF12 FF14RR FF5 FF6 FF7 but FF13 i couldnt at all. The English voice actors are absolutely terrible and there was minimal emotion in the words even when Snow was trying to be a leader and all that intro stuff. The game was just boring as hell. It did look AMAZING though not gonna lie.
@zennim125
9 жыл бұрын
FF IV here, never played 13 so can't talk about that, FF IV for me was an average FF was not the best sure (hard to beat VI and VII)but definitely not a bad game, it have a neat combat, the introduction of augments and nice characters, i was disappointed that i couldn't choose my party but in the end i never struggled because of that, the party that the game forms are well balanced and make great sense in the plot, no sense in letting someone standing still in the ship while they have a kingdom to take care of, they have others tasks beyond being hanging around the 3 airships. The augments was the begining to the materia system, yang was nice but in combat i "always" could teach kain or edge how to kick. AND FF IV have darth vader in it, how this isn't cool? he even have a badass villain and a redemption arc in the game
@NathanWubs
9 жыл бұрын
Dman41000 replay it, you probably think differently. I do suggest you replay it with an open mind. considering that the voice acting is quite good. If you think the voice acting is bad. Go to the laughing scene of ff10, or pick almost any scene from ff12. C-c-c-ombo Breaker! You probably be right. But even the like bar does not indicate that they are from people that did not like ff13. Considering that I liked the video. Despite like 13 and dirge. as I think its good list besides those 2 games.
@noeinoei
9 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love Final Fantasy XIII.
@brainer4194
8 жыл бұрын
+massimiliano zoli Actually it is challenging to a majority of people, so if you're going to bitch and whine to someone about it, think of a better argument
@brainer4194
8 жыл бұрын
***** What the fuck are you talking about? It sounds like you got salty after fighting a high lvl enemy early game, fucking nonsense haha
@brainer4194
8 жыл бұрын
***** In gran pulse? Yes you can find high lvls there, which early boss could possibly be that difficult?
@brainer4194
8 жыл бұрын
***** If you had to fight for 40 minutes, then you're just not good at the game
@brainer4194
8 жыл бұрын
***** I have no idea what you're blabbering about, but if you had to fight for 40 minutes, you are just straight up bad and need to look up a tutorial or something
@joemcgee3082
8 жыл бұрын
When the comment section is infinitely more entertaining than the video itself.
@disturbedmediocrity
9 жыл бұрын
I personally love XIII and its sequels. My son and I are currently playing through the series. It's not THE BEST but I do t think it belongs on the worst list.
@GIR177
9 жыл бұрын
disturbedmediocrity Stop raising your son on terrible games.
@disturbedmediocrity
9 жыл бұрын
You again, huh? How about you not try and police what my son and I enjoy. As I already told you on a different comment section, your opinion doesn't matter. You don't like the XIII series? Good for you. I don't care. My son and I do.
@JohnDoe-zf6ug
9 жыл бұрын
Wow you are raising your son wrong someone call child services.
@DemonicMINIX
9 жыл бұрын
disturbedmediocrity The dude is raising his son on Final Fantasy. That alone is better then half the CoD 12 year olds. Good for you
@diablofdb
9 жыл бұрын
disturbedmediocrity How is see this game, if you compare it to other Final Fantasy and Squaresoft standards games it's bad. But you compare it to what other compagnies does in general and the medium RPG you'll meet on the market it's pretty decent.
@AppleInTheDesert
8 жыл бұрын
The After Years? really? I enjoy the shit out of that game
@therealsebastiandebeste6223
3 жыл бұрын
It’s an okay game but bad fanfiction as an ff4 sequel The gameplay is fine and actually pretty fun with the bands, but the story is kind of ridiculous.
@taylormatlock2407
10 жыл бұрын
Alright. The bashing on Final Fantasy XIII should really stop... Yes, I know it was very hyped up and tons of people were disappointed that it wasn't the end-all game that mankind had always dreamed of. Nothing will ever be that great. But this reviewer and many others have no idea what they were talking about when it comes to the story and its characters. Yes, the linearity is a bit absurd, but guess what! It makes perfect sense with the story and the fact that the game becomes huge when they travel to Gran Pulse is almost a beautiful artistic statement. Now, the characters... If people would just look past Vanille's voice (even though I've heard WAY worse), she has the potential to be one of the emotionally deepest characters in the entirety of Final Fantasy. So shut up about her and the rest of the characters! I don't hear ANYONE complaining about how awfully dull and predictable Cloud Strife and Sephiroth were. Focus your frustrations about characterization on something else because Vanille (and Snow. Seriously, reviewer?) doesn't deserve it. Far from it. Honestly, Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy VI, and Final Fantasy XIII are my favorites, but that's only because I can actually appreciate deep storylines with deeply affected characters. People let too many things come between them and a good game and Final Fantasy XIII is the best example that I can think of. Sorry that everybody got butt-hurt that it wasn't as mind-blowing as they wanted it to be, but oh well. It's still a great game. I'd bet, oh how I'd bet, if Square Enix ever did publish a Final Fantasy VII HD Remake, everybody would be disappointed and it would be the worst game EVERRRRR. ...And if they didn't change the story, character development, and script of the original to the remake, the public would actually be right for once!
@hungersan4541
10 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!
@JewkaAU
10 жыл бұрын
Thankyou!!
@taylormatlock2407
10 жыл бұрын
***** Whether or not you believe that *Gran Pulse is large and beautiful, doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things since the story line still demands a certain amount of linearity for realism and cohesive storytelling. Yes, this turned a lot of people away from the game. But linearity does not make a bad game. In fact, it's usually the strictly linear games that end up having the best stories and characters as they're developed in a way as if you are reading a book and books are never open-world. Not enough people have the attention span nowadays to enjoy a good story and that is how Final Fantasy XIII came under so much fire. Maybe today's society can't deal with games like that, but that may be because today's society can't deal with reading books either because it's just too hard to keep their attention on any one thing for a set period of time. They need "mini-games" consistently because they just can't handle themselves, which is truly pathetic.
@taylormatlock2407
10 жыл бұрын
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@taylormatlock2407
10 жыл бұрын
***** The story was explained as perfectly as it needed to be. It was built to make you think. It didn't need any more narration than it had. The datalog was only there to help and provide deeper insight on the mythology working behind the scenes in the game. But yes, some games do want you to read a little bit. Is that really so hard? If you really enjoyed reading as much as you say that you do, I wouldn't think it would be so difficult to take a little time to read up on some vocabulary if you didn't understand it. Especially if you actually wanted to make the tiniest effort to enjoy the game. Honestly, the two sequels actually are crap and were only created to milk the mythology out of the story, but XIII alone was a stand-alone and fantastically moving story with twists and turns every which way. People just fail to understand it. Kind of like how some people manage to fail to understand the Leonardo DiCaprio film, Inception. Weak example, I know, but lots of people hate it because they don't understand it. By the way, great counter. "Downright stupid," huh? I dare you to build a story half as great.
@alex_is_shook
9 жыл бұрын
anyone else like FF13? i loved that game... lol
@Txiamee
9 жыл бұрын
I really liked FF13 plus it was challenging
@carebear1470
9 жыл бұрын
I like the second half after you get to Pulse. But those 25-40 hours on Cocoon are just painful and the game deserves all the shit it gets just for that over long linear prologue. Also the game deserves shit for those horrible characters. Except Sazh. Sazh was great. And Fang to a certain extent.
@Skeeld1
9 жыл бұрын
FF13 was amazing, everything was perfect! Good Story, Good Combat, Best Characters!
@LegendOfWren
9 жыл бұрын
Alex Jay Mee~ Light's my favorite~
@eltonjohnvilla7974
9 жыл бұрын
Alex Jay one of my faves
@assasinweasel
10 жыл бұрын
Am I seriously the only person on the planet who likes Dirge of Cerberus.
@vaanffxii2000
10 жыл бұрын
No, you're not :D I played this game and enjoyed it.
@TheTruestZero
10 жыл бұрын
Don feel alone bro, i love Dirge Of Cerberus because have my fav character in FFVII and give a better show of Vincent history as well
@Trotsky0518
10 жыл бұрын
I liked Dirge of Cerberus as well. I also liked XIII.
@assasinweasel
10 жыл бұрын
Michael Gregory I like XIII also, I just didn't mention it because I understand why every one hates it.
@NeoClassicMan
10 жыл бұрын
Loved it, even while I recognized its flaws.
@Brontosuchus
8 жыл бұрын
Kingdom Hearts is my favorite Final Fantasy.
@zinn1as
8 жыл бұрын
Kingdom hearts is not final Fantasy...
@Brontosuchus
8 жыл бұрын
keyblademaster 21 No shit.
@emmanuelajoku152
8 жыл бұрын
+keyblademaster 21 u clearly dont know this is a joke
@emmanuelajoku152
8 жыл бұрын
my favourite final fantasy character is roy.......
@teufelsschnitzel8708
8 жыл бұрын
XD
@NathanielTheminer700
8 жыл бұрын
FF2? SERIOUSLY??? You guys sure ran out of ideas.
@river_g
4 жыл бұрын
I mean FF2 is notoriously known as the worst
@frozennoodles1728
4 жыл бұрын
@@river_g and underrated too
@TyreeseTheAscendedOne
4 жыл бұрын
@@frozennoodles1728 true
@DrakeyC
10 жыл бұрын
I would defend Final Fantasy XIII as not being too bad, but if you wanna tack it on at Number 10, that's fair, it definitely has problems. But Final Fantasy II gets a lot of unjustified hate. Yeah, the battle system is lame. But you know what, it tried to be different and unique compared to other RPGs at the time. And it introduced a lot of Final Fantasy staple concepts like Chocobos, Cid, Ultima, and compared to the first game it actually tried to have a developed story and characters. It's not a gem of the series, but one of the worst there is? Cut it some slack. I've got it for PSP and I enjoy replaying it now and then for it's non-linear world allowing me to explore freely if I've the balls to brave the higher-level enemies (or the skill to grind up to their level).
@whichcache2517
10 жыл бұрын
I've never even played this game, but I'd prefer it to something like V!
@androoo4717
10 жыл бұрын
I agree so much with this.The only problem I had with FFII was the replay value. After beating it, I never had the urge to play it again because of the leveling system being a little odd.
@whichcache2517
10 жыл бұрын
Ok, I've actually played ffii this time, the ORIGINAL version, and I have to say: this is several thousand times more likable than ffi. The game is playable, the enemies don't pwn you with magic, and you get a feeling of actual PROGRESSION. It's like Pokémon, except you have infinite EV's.
@DrakeyC
10 жыл бұрын
SuperStachey eightnineeightnine Yup. And in the PSP release the bonus dungeons are accessible first thing in the game; in fact you have to enter them as early as recruiting Minwu to get his ultimate weapon from them. And the dungeon is unlocked by using the Key Words you learn, letting you access more floors as the game goes on and manipulate the content of the floors if you know the connection between them. FF2 for PSP is a game made for players who love to level grind and sequence break, and give them incentive to do so.
@theSneakySasquatch
10 жыл бұрын
this is a FINAL FANTASY game. the fact that you have to say "its not that bad" in the first place, means theres a serious problem.
@WDSimp
10 жыл бұрын
All The Bravest is wholly deserving of it's #1 spot.
@ItsRobinWhoTalks
9 жыл бұрын
How did you guys not mention FFX-2 as being a disGRACE to the beautiful and innocent storyline of X?!
@LinkinMark1994
8 жыл бұрын
+ItsRobinWhoTalks say what you want about it's story, i still dig x-2's improved job system and atb system
@aaroncalloway2898
8 жыл бұрын
+ItsRobinWhoTalks x-2 was way better. You dont have to put up the anyoying characters like tidus and wakka. And fuck blitzball, its all about tetra triad
@aaroncalloway2898
8 жыл бұрын
i love x-2 lol
@owlflame
8 жыл бұрын
Because X-2 had good gameplay.
@ItsRobinWhoTalks
8 жыл бұрын
GedaCrew Sorry, I think I picked the wrong word there. The game's storyline isn't innocent at all, maybe I'm just too attached to the pure, innocent Yuna which is why I disliked what they did to her in X-2. Also people seem to love the X-2 battle system, I really didn't. That's just a question of preference I think. Not saying X-2 is a bad game, I just didn't like it personally.
@HisDudeness1986
7 жыл бұрын
I must be of the minority that likes Final Fantasy XIII.
@mira12825
7 жыл бұрын
I can see why people don't like it, I think the story is ok, but not great and the characters are rather bland with only Sazh and maybe fang being interesting and not annoying(Vanille's voice pitch is way too high). Other than that, they made changes to the battle system, which were ok, but changed where the tactical aspect of ff games came from, switching it from party composition and abilities to switching paradigms. Overall, I didn't really like it, but I don't think it deserves as much hate as it got/gets. On the other hand, a lot of people say FFXII sucks but is one of my favorites even though it does have some flaws, I just really liked what they did with the combat system and most of the characters were interesting(except Vaan).
@HisDudeness1986
7 жыл бұрын
There were flaws, definitely, in FFXIII, but I thought the overall story was good. To me, if you have a good story, battle mechanics and level system, I can look past other things, and I think that game delivered.
@tjlawal570
6 жыл бұрын
Im with you!! FF 13 is awesome!!
@jimmymackinnon8474
6 жыл бұрын
I don’t like XIII but I like XIII-2. Xiii-2 is a very good game imo. My favorite final fantasies are X, VII, and XII.
@fujinkun4556
6 жыл бұрын
You're not
@MyaWho
8 жыл бұрын
I don't like FF13 either, but if its so bad not in retrospect, why on earth did all the major reviewers give it at least and 8/10??? Almost as if they were paid to give it a decent score....
@SaberRexZealot
8 жыл бұрын
Basically. They praise it when it comes out because they don't take the time to actually examine the game to know whether or not it's actually good. XIII isn't a bad game; just very average and disappoints on nearly every facet the previous games banked on.
@owlflame
8 жыл бұрын
Triple A game that looked nice and you could beat it with your eyes closed? Sounds like the reviewer equivalent of a day off... I'd have given it an 8/10 too if I was a jaded reviewer making way more than I should to play dozens of games a week.
@SaberRexZealot
8 жыл бұрын
owlflame That's why linear games that follow traditional values like Uncharted and BioShock get a lot of praise from journalists. They're linear, relatively short and straightforward games that don't require any extra effort from the player (No disrespect to those games as they're not really trying anything unique and different to begin with). Practically a journalist's paradise so that they can get the review out as quick as possible; hence the positive FFXIII scores initially. Nobody wanted to admit just how disappointing it was until after the honeymoon period.
@omargh18
8 жыл бұрын
story was decent, graphics and soundtrack were beautiful, and Lighting was a great character. that's why
@owlflame
8 жыл бұрын
Omar Gharbieh Story was not decent, graphics and music were par for the course (for square), and lightning was a visually well designed character and nothing more.
@ptbwf
8 жыл бұрын
Blasphemy!!!! The PSP version of Final Fantasy 2 is actually a GREAT game.
@Jacob_G9
7 жыл бұрын
PSP version? Amazing redition, Classic version, No, Just no
@simon4casy
7 жыл бұрын
I gave the psp version a try. I diligently leveled spells maxed HP and MP got Genji stuff and Masamunes for everyone and I quit at the final dungeon because drain attacks. It felt like I wasted my time...
@uknownada
7 жыл бұрын
Even if the PSP version was great, the original version was still really broken and annoying. I guess it goes to show how remakes can really improve a game.
@skylerbehunin7777
5 жыл бұрын
The leveling system ruined the game for me because it’s still monotonous
@kala-cha2551
5 жыл бұрын
I play the gba version of ff2 not the original nes version
@qwertyMrJINX
9 жыл бұрын
Final Fantasy II is not worse than XIII, or Mystic quest, or all those others. Also, you forgot Tactics Advance.
@derekdellinger9589
9 жыл бұрын
I agree, not sure why FF2 is hated on so much. Final Fantasy II definitely does not deserve to be anywhere near as high on this list at all. At worst it should be number 10, but I think it is better than a lot of other FF games out there. I think its hard to argue that FF2 doesn't have the most productive villain in all of the FF series. Managing to conquer the planet, Hell, and Heaven throughout the game. Even Kefka only managed to ravage a section of the world. FF2 also had some insanely good music. Castle Pandemonium's theme is still one of my favorite FF songs of all time. The sped up melody from the overworld theme gives you the feeling of "this is what I've worked for, its all led to this." Haven't had the feeling from almost any other Final Fantasy game. (I actually Liked FFTA a lot, but would totally be on board with FFTA2 being on the list.)
@Doyledeth
9 жыл бұрын
Derek Dellinger 2's leveling system is beyond atrocious and completely ruined the game for me. I hate 2 and 13 equally.
@MSOGameShow
9 жыл бұрын
I actually loved Tactics Advance. I never understood why so many people hated it.
@qwertyMrJINX
9 жыл бұрын
MSOGameShow Because I played the original Tactics.
@MSOGameShow
9 жыл бұрын
That...doesn't exactly tell me anything, but I never played the original Tactics.
@garnet1223
9 жыл бұрын
Well I actually really loved FF13 and all of it's sequels. It definitely comes to one of the most legendary games I've ever played. I feel that only the people who grew up with the old final fantasy games are the ones who criticize 13 so much. They are used to the old way it was played and they like the nostalgia - that part is understandable. As for A Realm Reborn well, it's one of the most popular MMOs out there(after some rework) I can't even put my opinion in this one, FF14 is inargueably a great game. Dirge of Cerberus is also pretty cool but I'm not going to make this comment last forever so I'll cut it short. This video was pretty inaccurate. I see other people in the comments also point out some of the other mislabled "bad FF games"
@garnet1223
9 жыл бұрын
***** no actually one of MY most legendary games meaning I as in myself enjoyed that game more than most. The points you made about the game have never bothered me - to the point of that being not noticeable. Thats you're opinion just like I shared mine.
@garnet1223
9 жыл бұрын
***** I wouldn't know about favorite for those types of mmos but the Witcher series would probably be my favorite lore/story telling wise.. Or maybe it's because I'm playing that right now not sure if its worthy of being a favorite. But I also enjoy the Tales series. I've played every one from Innocence on. Persona is mentionable.. love those games a ton. There is also the Aveyond series(starting with Rhen's Quest) That game is more of a less popular (2D) game though. Aveyond deserves all the hype that all the old(2D) FF games did imo.
@LuciferHellFire
9 жыл бұрын
Plus i like final fantasy 4 after years and final fantasy 7 dirge of curberece something like that i like those game and the 13
@valypaly3
9 жыл бұрын
That's actually not as true as you would think. FFXIII was the very first Final Fantasy game that I had ever played and is the one that introduced me to the series. I also hadn't played any old school JRPG's in general so I really wasn't comparing it to anything like that. Yet I still wasn't crazy about it even when I first played it, though that doesn't mean I hated it. Even after playing and enjoying many older FF games since then I still find things to like in XIII (other than the obvious graphics). I did have a lot of fun with the gameplay and battle system and I do feel like the story had a lot of potential. My problem with the story comes down to it's presentation which we can really blame the directing for. It was all shown in such a backwards way with those 13 day segments, and they weren't even shown in order to make matters worse. The characters I also just felt struggled with proper development and even pacing when development happened. For example Fang having a meltdown quite literally out of the blue just to add character development for her and to get her Eidolen. It was over so quick and seemed very random, things like this just kept happening constantly throughout the game without the proper buildup. They also do little to explain much of the lore and terminology so I found myself frequently going to the catalog for answers. This should never be necessary in any game, for most people who played it was all very confusing and nonsensical. And as if it couldn't get any worse in it's sequel they through time travel into the mix. Just an all around horrible decision. Time travel is rarely ever pulled off well and they don't have a good track record as it is with it being a mess as well in FFVIII, in my opinion. I was actually very happy with XIII's ending, it made me smile and was one of my favorite things about the game. Then XIII-2 completely discarded it. Lightning Returns I enjoyed for its gameplay and return to towns and npc's. So all in all, story presentation was my big issue with XIII and then just the story in general with the last two. But again I still found some enjoyment in them, mainly the first, and I'm very thankful for it because it introduced me to an amazing series. People often refer to one of my favorite games, Lost Odyssey, as the real Final Fantasy XIII since they are the only games really like that for the PS3/360 generation. It was actually made by Mistwalker, a company that consists of mostly former Square employees including its founder. The Final Fantasy games are best known for having memorable and very compelling stories and these guys really bring that to the table. Even if you love FFXIII, when looking at it objectively I would think you could see it's short comings with how it showed its story throughout the game and things that could have been done better. I know I might sound a bit harsh but that's just because it frustrates me with how much of a difference the presentation and pacing would have made. It has potential, and there are things to enjoy with the story for those who care to put in the extra work themselves to look a bit deeper. Some characters were also very unappealing to many, namely Vanille and Snow, and I can definitely see why so maybe some reworking on them as well could have gone a long ways. Anyway, all kinds of people like and dislike this game, and there's also others who fall more in between like me.
@LuciferHellFire
9 жыл бұрын
Nice speech i like your idea my first final fantasy was the 4 and that won is my favorite everbody say that there is the 7 i like the 7 the story everything but mine is alway gonna be the 4 it had the inturlude the after year and the original its alway gonna be my favorite
@yuunafarron
7 жыл бұрын
I love everything in FFXIII.... The music, the characters..... everything, and people who hate this game should let it alone and not come to every videos which talk about it to let a hating comment... So go back to FFVII and let the fans of FFXIII in peace please.
@RileyTheCharmedOnes
7 жыл бұрын
*Yeah* Glad to see someone say they love FF XIII :D
@yuunafarron
7 жыл бұрын
Riley Tan Oooh me too trust me ! :') And I don't care about the people who hate this game XD I'm proud to love FFXIII :3
@zerlite9122
7 жыл бұрын
Eww i'm sorry but it's just trash. Best FF : FF10 and FF7. FF4 and after years are great too.
@yuunafarron
7 жыл бұрын
Haloelite27 I love FFX and FFIX but FFXIII is really good too, in my opinion of course ^^
@RileyTheCharmedOnes
7 жыл бұрын
Stephanie Taylor *Big thumbs-up for you* I am listening to the Final Fantasy soundtrack often, including the FFXIII :-) Also, I love FF7, FF8, FFX, FFX-2, especially FF12. Overall, it doesn't matter what other says, if we Love 13, is not their business :) :) :) Am I right? Stephanie ;)
@Ryuoh
8 жыл бұрын
i guess I'm one of the only ones that pays more attention to the soundtracks of the games cuz i loved 13 and dirge of cerberus soundtracks
@aaronyoung20
8 жыл бұрын
+Sidney Lawson I know what you mean bro apart from getting more info on Vincent story I rather play the game more for the music same thing for Eternal Eyes, Bloody Roar, Destrega, Tekken, hmm maybe Blaster Master: Blasting Again.
@evanthorn5283
8 жыл бұрын
XIII had my favorite story and music, I don't see why XIII got so much grief, it was one of the best ones in my opinion, my top three is: VII,X,XIII
@owlflame
8 жыл бұрын
+Evan Thorn ok. So if it's your favorite story then that means you can explain the story. I played through 13 and had no idea what the fuck was going on. And I'm a writer. I kept up with the interpersonal stories of each of the nations in ff12
@MarshallCross
8 жыл бұрын
+owlflame wow i guess we are indeed all different though :) because to me, it was the total opposite: i understood and loved every part of FF13 but had no idea what was going on in FF12, eventhough i loved the combat system lol
@owlflame
8 жыл бұрын
Marshall Cross You can love FF13, but my guess is that people who like 13, won't like games in the series with actual stories and stuff. Because FF13 is really more for people who kinda just... don't care about plot.
@GamersXnostalgia
8 жыл бұрын
The After Years is episodic format, and the Final Fantasy VII Remake will be in episodic format as well... Let that sink in.
@NewportBox100s
8 жыл бұрын
Mystic Quest is a classic.
@UniteForgetLeftRight
8 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I had it when I was a kid and it was fun even if it didn't feel like a FF game
@NewportBox100s
8 жыл бұрын
Naw man, it's in my top 5 easily.
@NewportBox100s
8 жыл бұрын
I'm 25. My opinion is a great one. I am so cultured, it's unbelievable.
@NewportBox100s
8 жыл бұрын
lolz
@GlairGullwing
9 жыл бұрын
What about the story of XIII??? Which was amazing!
@lulzguy327
9 жыл бұрын
EternalShockk Aw hell no. This story is pure bullshit.
@GlairGullwing
9 жыл бұрын
LulzGuy Yeah, maybe for you. Do you even realize the pressure that they all had to live with? Being l'Cie... hated/feared by everyone with a devastating demand. Yeah, pure bullshit. I loved that game. Can't say the same of XIII-2 tho.
@lulzguy327
9 жыл бұрын
This story sucks. They always whine about how fucked they are. This is a pure bullshit if you look at other games like Xenoblade Chronicles.
@GlairGullwing
9 жыл бұрын
Okay, I'm a moron and I guess I was too high. I guess that I didn't understand the point of this video at the time. Don't remember.
@FredWarrior87
9 жыл бұрын
EternalShockk if you are little 8 year old child with no imagination no expectation for the world, your brain is damaged and you never played another final fantasy before... then yes maybe it was amazing to you...
@Sairiui
9 жыл бұрын
So Final Fantasy II was bad just for that? Now I *know* this is a troll video.
@Sairiui
9 жыл бұрын
***** I guess, but I still don't think it should be higher than FFXIII on this list. Yeah, it was buggy and exploitable, but it was an NES game. It was still beta-ish in comparison to FFXIII, so it has an excuse. :/ At least you still got to explore the world and not have to deal with hallways, even if most places had stronger monsters in areas where you weren't supposed to go. You still had that freedom to explore and get your butt handed to you, haha. And FFII's tutorial system was simply a bunch of old dudes in the room where Firion was recovered in that would explain whatever you wanted to know. It didn't force it down your throat like XIII.
@RukudoSage69
9 жыл бұрын
+Giant Blue Pregnant Einstein Lol you can't beat bosses with mini and toad, what's more increase your stats. Or at least not with the psx and psp versions. Maybe they're different?
@TheLittleCuteThing
8 жыл бұрын
At the start of the video he says "No phoenix down can revive them" But... Final Fantasy XIV as they say "2nd worst FF game" Is the one thing saving SE`s ass from bankrupcy.
@crispydiggins
8 жыл бұрын
+Nirvash You're thinking of "A Realm Reborn", what they're talking about is the original XIV that was so bad they ended up remaking the whole game into the great MMO it is now.
@TheLittleCuteThing
8 жыл бұрын
Actually. This video was made looooong after realm reborns release, I seriously doubt the poster even tried it
@KazarothGaming
7 жыл бұрын
The video even talked about how he's referring to the original release and not ARR. The original release WAS absolute garbage and got canned within a year and got completely remade into the greatness it is now.
@doublehockeystix
10 жыл бұрын
Nonsense! I actually liked 13! Call me crazy! Mainly for the amazing OST but I actually enjoyed the literary techniques in the story telling. Yes there were some crappy annoying characters and extremely linear gameplay. I still wouldn't put it on a top ten worst list.
@Tengila
10 жыл бұрын
I liked it quite a bit too, but I can see why so many hates it so much. The pacing is atrocious and the first seven hours or so are both extremely tedious and very confusing and their storytelling methods are just uninspired, as if they wanted to make a movie of even a book instead of a game. Topping that with Vanille, Hope and Snow being absolutely gratingly annoying until they get some character development later on, it leads to an incredibly unforgiving entry threshold. As long as you have enough patience and forgiveness, you will eventually see the gem beneath all the grime, but in the end, I can fully understand why so few bother to dig that deeply.
@assasinweasel
10 жыл бұрын
Tengila You just explained how I feel about 13.
@edelswiss240
10 жыл бұрын
You make a good point, i agree. This was the game that got me excited about the series. If i wasn't for this game i would go though my life thinking all cloud cosplayers were just blond guys with over sized swords.
@Ryan-Petre
10 жыл бұрын
I LIKE IT! THEREFORE YOU'RE WRONG FOR THINKING IT'S BAD!
@edwarddeguzman3258
10 жыл бұрын
I played FFXIII for almost 36 hours straight, it was frustrating at times, but damn did i love it, and parts 2 and 3 make me love it more
@AlphaZeroX96
8 жыл бұрын
Vanille is a cute and sweet character.
@sebahildt543
8 жыл бұрын
so? and btw she's a stupid character lol
@Jacob_G9
7 жыл бұрын
She also knows the Most powerful magic spell in the game with a chance for an instant kill each cast
7 жыл бұрын
Final Fantasy XIII was a great game. Just because its not what you used to doesnt mean its bad.
@Randallsilver
6 жыл бұрын
I like things I'm not used to, like the gambit system in XII, for example. But Final Fantasy gives you options, a possibility to explore the world, a good story, lovable characters. XIII had none of those.
@jacobsiron6929
6 жыл бұрын
@@Randallsilver "a possibility to explore the world" FFX and Gran Pulse say hi. "Lovable charachters" FFI,II, Sazh and Fang say hi. "A good story" FFII,IV and the Archives say hi.
@tidalcliff2202
6 жыл бұрын
That's not the reason its so hated lmao. ffx is also fairly linear. ever wonder why that doesn't get near as much hate tho? ya there's your answer
@Sandwichman1337
10 жыл бұрын
"First thing on screen is FF8" Take deep breaths.... Go to your happy place.
@NeoClassicMan
10 жыл бұрын
VIII may have been a polarizing final fantasy title, but remains far from being a bad game and, as one of the first RPGs I ever played, is still one of my favorites.
@DrakonLameth
10 жыл бұрын
To be fair, I rate FF8 myself as a low point in the games as a whole, but I do it because of the tedious nature of drawing magic, coupled with a general feeling to max out the spells drawn in case of needing them (or to upgrade later), not because it was a bad game per se. The same can be said of grinding for spells/abilities in most of the other games in the series, too, though; 8 just gets ragged on because you're doing it typically in the same fight, not spread out across hundreds of fights.
@James-gj8rn
6 жыл бұрын
i really hate it that Final Fantasy XIII get so much hate, its got great characters, a great story and a great battle system (it's my favorite battle system in the Final Fantasy series, i loved switching out roles and experimenting with the different types)
@RuruFIN
9 жыл бұрын
II and XIII should be removed from this list, both are awesome games.
@Kyoukichi
9 жыл бұрын
KooMikko Nope, they're not.
@brunoalmeida3632
9 жыл бұрын
Kyoukichi ah yes they are stupid. At least XIII
@TrAnMu
10 жыл бұрын
FFXIII was great. It was.
@TheDarkElfValenDreth
10 жыл бұрын
You mean Final Corridor 13.
@gigatronicdeth
10 жыл бұрын
13 was so boring, I never finished it.
@AppleBlossomUnicorn
10 жыл бұрын
It was.
@EpiKerCovers
10 жыл бұрын
FFXIII is not a bad game, but it is disappointing...
@HolyDeity
10 жыл бұрын
I found 13 to be quite interesting. My biggest issue was the Fal'cie, ceith, la'ceith rabble. Took me many hours of gameplay to figure which was which. The ending, along with the theme song, went along accordingly. The battle system was new and pretty solid. FF 13-2 though. Now that is a game so horrendous that I longer will buy a FF game. And how in the hell is ff-10-2 not on this list. Sure, the battle system was awesome, but the story and Charlie's Angels theme was horrendous.
@celix4n
10 жыл бұрын
HolyDeity The big Issue with me for FFXIII was the flow of the story, not the story in itself but the way it was told was just disjointed and awkward at some points for me, and I could really do without the Auto-attack button but other then that it was freaking awesome for me. Dirge of cerberus Has the exact opposite problem, very good story but mediocre gameplay. As for X-2, meh it wasn`t the greatest game but definitely it`s money worth for me, the gameplay was freaking excellent and even if I could do without the Charlie`s Angels bullshit, it was nice to see the characters doing something with their lives and Spira recovering from Sin. FFXII was a piece of shit though, if I wanted to play a game where attacks and spells were animated just like an MMORPG I`d play an MMORPG. It also had some interesting looking main characters (Who ALL where blonde for some reason) but instead of focusing on character interaction and learning more and more about the main characters, it focuses on freaking politics. No thanks.
@EpiKerCovers
10 жыл бұрын
***** I've played XII when I was younger but I couldn't really get into it... Now I'm 17 and I'm tempted to try it again. Is it really that bad as you say? I heard of people who love it and of people who hate it. I play FF mainly for the story. I don't really mind if the gameplay is bad. But if they are both bad...
@celix4n
10 жыл бұрын
EpiKerCovers Lets just say that if You`re really in it for the story, You might wanna skip this one. It`s not so much that the battle system is horrible, it`s that it`s a very odd and pointless idea to make the battle system play like that of a Online RPG and more then that, look (a fira spell for instance looks like a cheap tuft off flame on the side of a enemy instead of a proper animation) and not actually BE a online game. Which kinda restricts the combat cinamatics and gameplay. The Story however (which is the reason I keep playing most Final Fantasy games too) is just pure politics, almost no meaningful dialogues between characters in between battles or something like that, when they talk it`s all about politics. As someone Who loves Final fantasy for how the main characters interact with each other learn from each other learn strangers backgrounds and learn about themselves, FFXII was a disaster for me. But, you might wanna give it a try anyway though, the voice acting and graphics are great, besides I might be a little biased because it didn`t have anything I Myself was expecting of a Final Fantasy game, Your case might be different.
@celix4n
10 жыл бұрын
EpiKerCovers Damn that was a long comment, sorry, so I`ll say it in short then. FFXII felt WAAAY to freaking impersonal story-wise for a Final fantasy game.
@MisterX867
10 жыл бұрын
God why does everyone hate FFIV The after years!?
@akirakiryu2416
10 жыл бұрын
because they didn't try it yet :)
@edotendo2196
10 жыл бұрын
akira kiryu You are right ;)
@Fodimin
10 жыл бұрын
It does suck. The story was eeeergh.
@SeraphCircle
7 жыл бұрын
FFL: "Bad gameplay, even for the time period" dude its literally the first handheld rpg
@Alexis5224
10 жыл бұрын
Well my fav ff game was XIII and it's sequels. I just love Lightning and the story is badass, the gameplay can be a little weird but I actually liked it.
@danteleinguard9079
10 жыл бұрын
13 sucks... just my opinion
@Alexis5224
10 жыл бұрын
Dante Leinguard Well yes it's your opinion and I respect it but I can't stand all this hate XIII trilogy gets. This thing really annoys me cause most of them haven't played the game and still they badmouth it. That I can't stand
@danteleinguard9079
10 жыл бұрын
reason why i think 13 is bad even do i do like 13/2 is the lack of freedom , not able to travel to places like the old ff games is a really big hands down , another thing that got me bored were the characters , is like i didn't give much of a F like i did in ff8 , ff9 , ff 10 oh and of course ff7 . But at the end most ppl like it and others hated it , just like resident evil
@Sylverias
10 жыл бұрын
Lelouch Lamperouge Played all 3, worst games I've ever finished.
@mahziel
10 жыл бұрын
Lelouch Lamperouge I think the only thing that kept me playing FFXIII as long as I did was using Hecatons ult to give Vanille rolling waves of shock induced ecstacy. Oh that and my OCD drove me up the fucking wall trying to collect all the items.... FUCK NOW I CAN'T STOP THINKING ABOUT THE ITEMS I'M MISSING!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHII:BVYTIOFUOYFVYRDRYFVHYUGVYTRDFIYRDFUYLVGBLVUTFIUTDFUYVVTFCTYIVKVVU pbbbbbttttttt
@HiiroRocker101
9 жыл бұрын
The fuck? Dirge of Cerberus was INCREDIBLE. It's one of the BEST Final Fantasies, not the worst.
@Vic2point0
9 жыл бұрын
Haven't tried it. Any idea why the guy in the video put it on the list in the first place? He didn't bother to elaborate, after all.
@HiiroRocker101
9 жыл бұрын
Vic 2.0 if I had to guess, I'd say he put it there because it was a third person shooter rather than a traditional RPG.
@Vic2point0
9 жыл бұрын
HiiroRocker101 Probably. Which means he's got nothin! ;)
@gmoddave
9 жыл бұрын
HiiroRocker101 It fucking blew my mind as a kid. Vincent was such a fucking badass rebel piece of shit, that I couldnt help drooling over the game.
@ilanpnd
8 жыл бұрын
Final Fantasy XIII, "a bad game" ?! Nice joke 😂
@ilanpnd
8 жыл бұрын
And Final Fantasy XIV is pretty good guys... 😑
@doomdeathxx
8 жыл бұрын
some one plz punish this video e.e
@remembertotakeshowerspleas355
8 жыл бұрын
The people who complain about how the game is mostly linear have never played FFX.
@ilanpnd
8 жыл бұрын
They just don't realize how ALL the Final Fantasy are amazing and better than a big (BIIIG) part of the other games available on the store... Trying to find the bad points and forget the good ones.
@g.k.9294
8 жыл бұрын
Final Fantasy XIII was the worst thing to come out of Square Enix the company.
@Ixbran
10 жыл бұрын
Final Fantasy X-2 is not on this list .... I am happy with this list.
@boulikmacboulinkton9010
8 жыл бұрын
FF13 was so bad i could not make myself play it past the 5 hour mark. it was so horrible.
@southweststrangla420
8 жыл бұрын
no mention of x-2? replaced armor and weapons with purses and earrings. thats by far the worst one ive ever played.
@jeanschyso
10 жыл бұрын
Dirge of cerberus was AWESOME back in the day... I borrowed my friend's ps2 to play it again and again until I was forced to give him his console back. FF14 was bad, but a realm reborn turned it into probably the best hotkey mmorpg out there.
@Dragonk116
10 жыл бұрын
I agree, I loved Dirge of Cerberus back in the day. I also have FF 14 A Realm Reborn on my PS4 and its awesome.
@DEATHxTHExKIDx1
10 жыл бұрын
Yea pretty much agree. Except XIII I like that despite its many faults.
@anthonymurano4775
9 жыл бұрын
HOW DARE YOU INSULT FINAL FANTASY: MYSTIC QUEST!!
@TheDreamingFlame
9 жыл бұрын
I knew this list was going to be bad when you started it with FFXIII, one of the easiest to hate in the entire series, but some of your higher entries are just... crazy. Especially After Years.
@SuperJumpReviews
10 жыл бұрын
This is why I'm glad they are releasing hd updates of their old games. kingdom hearts hd, ffx hd, etc. yeah, their current games are getting a little bit better but I doubt they'll be able to put out anything better than what they've done in the past.
@divinekilljoy8067
8 жыл бұрын
If Final Fantasy VIII is on this list im going to go on a murderous rampage
@divinekilljoy8067
8 жыл бұрын
FINAL FANTASY 8 IS THE FIRST THING YOU SEE IN THE VIDEO. DY9OSHGSOYVWOYCWOWC8WC8TC7WCOWF8W8CTE8CYS8CIDIEDIEDIEDIEDIE
@SaberRexZealot
8 жыл бұрын
Love 8 regardless of its glaring issues. Definitely one of the better main games.
@owlflame
8 жыл бұрын
8 had a lot of problems.
@zacharylawrence
8 жыл бұрын
I like to call them beauty marks
@shrike6243
8 жыл бұрын
8 did have a lot of problems, but it also had some great points as well. It's one of those games where, if you can get past the rough, is a gem underneath. You do have to work for it though. I'm still holding out hope for a less grindy version of the junction system.
@MrsJasmyn45
9 жыл бұрын
Up yours dude, FF13 was fun, Dirge of Cerberus was awesome and why would you put FF4 the after years on here, that game was good.
@XenoAlbedo
9 жыл бұрын
At least FF XIV ARR made up for the original version.
@tclttkzero9
9 жыл бұрын
I disagree with ff xiii, this game had a great protagonist (lightning). Hard story line bosses (barthandelus, Orphan) Battle mode that requires reflex a and a diferent strategy,. The only thing missing in this game was thee side quest, travel freely on cocoon or sonething like that Ps: sorry for my bad english :(
@carebear1470
9 жыл бұрын
I highly disagree with you on Lightning. Besides the fact that she's really boring, she isn't even the protagonist. She has no role in the story after the first few chapters. The game becomes entirely Fang and Vanille's show. Light, Snow, Hope and Sazh are just along for the ride. Barthandelus can be difficult until you know what you're doing. And Ophan is really easy, it's only that cheap Death attack that makes him hard and even that can be blocked. The only real hard bosses are Long Gui and Vercingetorix and both of them can be poisoned to death.
@lulzguy327
9 жыл бұрын
Mario Serrano Sanchez "Hard story line bosses" ? Okay. This game is easy as hell.
@lulzguy327
9 жыл бұрын
***** You can beat this game without playing, this game doesn't need you to play itself.
@carebear1470
9 жыл бұрын
***** Oh it really was that bad.
@deaththekid922
8 жыл бұрын
+Mario Serrano Sanchez it still had more Sidequests than X ( 64 Missions )
@RobertMatlock
10 жыл бұрын
X-2 was shit. FFIX or X would be my fav, but X-2 ruined X, it should have ended. We didnt need to tie up invisible loose ends, how I see it.
@peterbonsignore8598
10 жыл бұрын
Its amazing how that game gets shit on for its leveling system when it was created to not only test a new fighting/leveling system but to continue the story of X, and yet people fucking LOVE bravely default, which is literally THE SAME FUCKING GAME (As far as the fighting system, with its jobs and shit)
@RobertMatlock
10 жыл бұрын
Dont fix whats not broken
@peterbonsignore8598
10 жыл бұрын
***** I dare you to name 1 FF game thats exactly the same as the other. Leveling/summoning/Equipment is different in every single game, best examples are 7, 8. 9/ 7. Was mostly based around the jewel thingies or whatever (Not a fan of it) 8, was mostly based aroung the "GF" System (Summoning) and every enemy leveled with you. 9, if i remember correctly had its own unique style of leveling, but i cant remember it And 10 had the sphere grid. It wasn't until X-2 they decided to try something somewhat different, and i actually enjoyed it. It was different, wasn't turn based, made you think and made you use strategy with the placement of your job depending on which chart you used for it. I understand "Dont fix whats not broken", but sometimes you need to take a few steps outside of the comfort zone to try something new. Nobody likes repetitive things. Look at 13, its leveling system is almost like the sphere grid in X, except its linear and no real strategy, Hold X down, level everything, fairly boring, it's gameplay is completely hallway, and boring And even the story sucked It didn't try ANYTHING new and it failed horribly. This is why you fix things that arent broken, because people like different things.
@decadenarukami8557
10 жыл бұрын
Peter Bonsignore Peter wins...flawless victory XD
@whitemageserenia
10 жыл бұрын
So... what you're basically saying is... You don't like X as much as you could have be cause of X-2? Thats... a little shallow if I'm right, don'cha think? Personally, I have a love/hate of X-2. As in, as a final fantasy, it.. ehh, is kinda meh, the story isn't... that good, BUT, as a game to itself? Its really quite good, I really like X-2 to be honest. X though... I'm not fully sure how I feel about X, it kinda fluctuates alot actually. Sometimes I love it, among my top 5 FFs, and othertimes I just feel its "meh" Iunno, just weird I guess
@Pickleton
8 жыл бұрын
I don't get how they can slam FF Mystic Quest for being stupidly easy and not lump 7 in there with it.
@davidgalan2140
5 жыл бұрын
I can't with the people who say that if you like 13 you don't care about the plot or have never played any other final fantasy. Final fantasy XIII has one of the most intricate lores of all the saga, (yes, more than FFVII), and of you think the battle system is just pressing "X" you haven't been playing attention. Yes, some characters are irritating (Snow is just the worst, to be honest). Yes, paths are too linear, even though i feel like that is a part to the plot (you see, for most of the time you're just doing a mission and obeying in order to don't become a monster, but then when you get to chapter eleven and you diverge from your path, you find yourself in an extensive open world full of possibilities). So yeah it's not one of the best final fantasy games ever but not at all one of the worst. You didn't even include revenant wings xD
@Xarai
10 жыл бұрын
how the fuck is ff9 not on this list? I'd rather play ff all the bravest than an hour with that game
@Draco19977
10 жыл бұрын
ff9 is not bad by any means
@Xarai
10 жыл бұрын
then you're playing a different ff9 than everyone else has played
@Draco19977
10 жыл бұрын
Xarai give me a reason it is bad
@ArianaRosalia
10 жыл бұрын
You serious? FFIX is one of the top 5 FFs ever released. FFVI (6), VII (7), IX (9), X (10), and XIV: ARR (14 a realm reborn) are 5 of the best from the series.
@ArianaRosalia
10 жыл бұрын
Xarai Funny you say "everyone else". The majority of FF fans love FFIX. Only a handful don't.
@battheman777
9 жыл бұрын
I was so depressed over the abomination that was ATB....but all was redeemed with Record Keeper. Still a pay to play BUT you can keep pace AND experience all the nostalgia without sinking a single dime into it. CHECK IT OUT!
@Jewel16jess
9 жыл бұрын
I second this reccomendation! :D FFRK is awesome!
@barickwarren5837
9 жыл бұрын
Yep, its mainly about getting weps, but if you keep up with the dungeons you will have no trouble. (although my luck is so poor I have drawn well over 60 times and only have 6 5 stars, 2 regal gowns, 2 Zantuskens >got one from that gold celebration
@TheDragonsPit
8 жыл бұрын
Hilariously enough 14 is one of the best mmo's now.
@MtMarshi
8 жыл бұрын
Xiii is a fantastic entry. Nuff said.
@lambertar
8 жыл бұрын
Characters weren't as bad as everyone are saying and I don't care how much it was linear. But there was so many shortcomings, losing your leader putting you game over, having no control over the characters placement when it's an important part of combat making the sentinel unusable, impossibility to choose your leader until way later in the game, rearranging your team forcibly, breaking all your custom paradigms and throwing you down in a boss battle, lots of auto-battle and cheap enemies just waiting to one-shop your leader and putting you game over.
@shrike6243
8 жыл бұрын
I think you are confusing "fantastic" and "forgettable".
@MAGNAVIX
8 жыл бұрын
So is the staff that works on this kinda stuff literally a shut-in band of poorly educated adolescents? You call certain titles bad for being linear, difficult, or even exploitable in a skill sense. Do you even play JRPGs? Are you sure you understand what the point of a Final Fantasy game is? You even attack a game that became one of the most critically acclaimed titles to ever release worldwide. I realize that this is simply an opinion video that all are free to disagree with, but I find a lack of basis for many of these opinions. This is much more a list of 10 games you perhaps did not enjoy than a list of actual bad titles. Perhaps actually play Final Fantasy games as well as other successful JRPGs and learn what the archetypes thrive on before you insult incredibly lucrative titles for trifle and incorrect reasons.
@tsujack
8 жыл бұрын
umm dirge of cerberus you guys say. ya might as well include the entire devil may cry series stack in there as well.
@hughmungus661
8 жыл бұрын
fuck you dmc is great not fuckin broken like that game
@tromolonmotions4776
8 жыл бұрын
Stephen Chason he wasn't talking to you.
@chaoskiller6084
5 жыл бұрын
Isn't over half the FFIV the After Years footage from the first FFIV?
@RikuxBakura
7 жыл бұрын
I like how FF14 is on a video from three years ago and it's now one of SE's most successful games.
@Law19157
10 жыл бұрын
Wow....there seem to be a resurgence of FF13 fans lol! to bad sales figures don't show it though....freakin series took a nose dive in sales after the 1st in the trilogies release, so it doesn't matter how many FF13 fans are on here the majority of FF fans didn't like the game & I'm glad the developers listened and are taking FF15 in a new Direction....far far away from 13 :)
@embodimentofimperfection5694
7 жыл бұрын
Wait...so why is Dirge of Cerberus bad?
@levimeyers7730
7 жыл бұрын
Ikr? Was a great game in my opinion. Hard, but great.
@Senerith
9 жыл бұрын
Lol was ff2 too hard for you? Come on, abuse teleport, and it becomes cakewalk.
@immortalfrieza
9 жыл бұрын
Senerith I don't think they find it hard, just finding the entire system grindy and exploitable, which is true.
@Senerith
9 жыл бұрын
maybe X-2 would have been too popular a choice for a bad FF game. I remember I felt like puking after reaching the halfway point in that game. It was terrible.
@Senerith
9 жыл бұрын
Also, regarding FF2 I find the grind of the system to be a wonderful filter for player choices. The exploitability of which only awards those who make interesting or intelligent choices within that system. (grinding purely buffs, frog, and phys in one run will have you in a completely different place than a run in which you grind Death, spells, and Teleport) In this, the system of the game redeems itself. Hell, even mashing attack works in this system as long as you work on boosting only specific weapon types for each character, and play around with shifting rows.
@severeerror52
9 жыл бұрын
Senerith What did you play it on?
@immortalfrieza
9 жыл бұрын
Senerith That would be true... if it wasn't painfully easy to spend a few hours at the start and become great at pretty much everything. Player choice only really means something when it restricts the player down a different path instead of just becoming the best at everything.
@TwoVenomous
8 жыл бұрын
"trash like chocobo racing" ? *triggered* you deserved every dislikes!
@KittyCate105
9 жыл бұрын
I think your judging pretty hard. I as a real final fantasy fan like EACH game Squenix develops, some more some less. But I wouldn't ever call one game completely bad, that's just unfair regarding the effort that was made for it!
@Highwaysonyfan87
9 жыл бұрын
You just sound like delusional fanboy. If a game is bad, it's bad. There is nothing more to it
@KittyCate105
9 жыл бұрын
+PSspecialist You really think that Yoshinori Kitase would sit down with his fellows and be like: "Hey folks, let's make a real BAD game, so people have a reason to hate us!" ? He would never, in fact Squenix is keen on doing a better fan service with each game they produce, what's quite plausible in my view. While doing research on our interests and preferences nowadays, they might could be off beam sometimes and fail our expectations. The result is a game, that's not real good, like All The Bravest. But I simply refuse to call a game completely bad and slag it in an almost subconscious level because after all it's been made for us: The Final Fantasy fans =)
@Highwaysonyfan87
9 жыл бұрын
Okay and? Uncharted Golden Abyss was made for Uncharted fans. I am an Uncharted fan. Golden Abyss was trash. I'm a fan of jrpg's in general. I'm a Tales of fan for example. I love the Tales series. It's one of my favorite RPG franchises, but I still think Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Hearts R are very weak games. They have some good in them for sure, but are overall poor games to me. It doesn't matter what the intent is. It doesn't matter how much work is out into it. At the end of the day, if the game is good, the game is good. If it's bad, it's bad.
@KittyCate105
9 жыл бұрын
+David Restrepo "If a game is bad, it's bad" now that's a real primitive way of thinking...you couldn't be more subjective. Be careful, i didn't call each game great just because of the effort of Squenix, I said some more some less. What I was trying to say is that it's not that simple to judge unsubtle over a game because they're ALWAYS good and bad points. If you say that a game is bad you gotta explain yourself, especially out of an objective point of view. If you personally don't like it that's okay. But nobody gives a shit as long as don't got specific (comprehensible) reasons to it.
@Highwaysonyfan87
9 жыл бұрын
I could explain why a game is bad if I wanted to though??? But unless there's a really in depth discussion going on or I'm doing a review, it's unecessary to go into detail. If a game is bad, it's bad. People can pour their hearts into something that is ultimately bad. Hard work does not equal a good product. They are not directly related like that.
@blipbloop5551
8 жыл бұрын
Holy shoot after years was really good but only on the psp. It got good graphics. The story is ok. I loved the game. Dont know what r u tawlking guyz
@XenoAlbedo
8 жыл бұрын
I used to really hate XIII. I started up the series again and it's actually kind of starting to grow on me. Like I still by far consider them to be some of the of the worst Final Fantasy games, but I no longer think they're bad in general.
@joaopaulopaes4859
8 жыл бұрын
add final fantasy explorers to this list
@Kracki88
8 жыл бұрын
+joao paulo paes Thats a good idea.
@nastycanadian1975
8 жыл бұрын
+joao paulo paes thanx for this comment. Bought it and was utterly disgusted. Returned it the next day.
@yasminehernandez2536
8 жыл бұрын
So FFXIII is on your list but there's no FFX-2 on it. I don't know if I have to laugh or cry.
@urzathehappy72
9 жыл бұрын
worst final fantasy is easily VII
@jomokous
9 жыл бұрын
+Roger Waters 7 Was revolutionary for its time and sells like hot cakes. That's why they are remaking it. I do have to say FF6 is the greatest of them all, though. There's so much hidden character arcs, storytelling and a really fun endgame with the Colosseum.
@urzathehappy72
9 жыл бұрын
+Mike Babineau and VI is a close second for worst FF n anyone who tries to disagree has shit taste
@jomokous
9 жыл бұрын
So I have a different opinion than you. Maybe you should play the games you like and stay in the cave you came out of.
@urzathehappy72
9 жыл бұрын
+Mike Babineau you dont have your own opinion u just regurgetate everyone elses maybe U needa leave UR cave hmmmmmmmm.....mmm....m
@jomokous
9 жыл бұрын
I played the game on release and play through every couple years for nostalgia.
@Glamdeathh
10 жыл бұрын
Dirge of Cerberus was actually awesome.
@thatoldemondays
10 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that
@Glamdeathh
10 жыл бұрын
Omg I love you :D
@thatoldemondays
10 жыл бұрын
:D, lets be friends
@Glamdeathh
10 жыл бұрын
Ok but I stilld ont share my materia. Just maybe :D
@thatoldemondays
10 жыл бұрын
Okok, but... Can you teach me some abilities?
@gibbzster
8 жыл бұрын
"received a great score from GT upon release." and then you say it is one of the worst lmao! wow. talk about being paid to give out good scores. you just contradicted yourself.
@abbigalien
8 жыл бұрын
This video was pretty accurate but I am just so tired of everyone hating on 13
@hakuorowitsuarunemitea8708
8 жыл бұрын
Eh. FFII is my favorite Final Fantasy game.
@juanchirou
8 жыл бұрын
I would add FF X-2, completely unnecessary
@Roksana-gy1ek
5 жыл бұрын
Geez, I enjoyed it
@DomOfSin666
5 жыл бұрын
Roksana Lepkowska-Akrong Same lol. Unnecessary yet welcome imo
@lysgasai5060
4 жыл бұрын
Actually i liked it...
@Dehslash9
8 жыл бұрын
A bad Final Fantasy game? I didn't know there was such a thing
@yoshifan3077
6 жыл бұрын
5:29 screw you guys That game was actually a pretty Dang good one yeah it's very hard
@Densester
5 жыл бұрын
Literally no reasons given for SaGa besides "it's black and white, oh and it's primative". I'm honestly suprised they didn't take a cheap shot at the stat growth system not being copy pasted like every other RPG series.
@diannatalia4488
8 жыл бұрын
FF7 DoC isn't that bad, it's pretty good! FF 4 & 8 shouldn't be there too. FF13 is not that bad, FF13-2&FF13-3 that very bad
@MatthewHarnage
8 жыл бұрын
+Dian Natalia I agree! While DoC may not have been as long and complex as the other FF games. It was still FUN. Which no one seems to mention about it.
@ladyfister1114
8 жыл бұрын
13-3 is pretty good if you get into it.
@KazarothGaming
7 жыл бұрын
FF4 & 8 aren't even there.
@tpar83
7 жыл бұрын
LOL... you've been playing with the same character stereotype for AGES (Yuffie, Selphie, Eiko, Rikku, Lion, Penelo) but it's Vanille who drives you nuts? Snow and Hope criticism I can accept, but Vanille, come on... why are you even playing FF still?
@JDzork
8 жыл бұрын
FFXIII is amazing. GTFO.
@garywood97
6 жыл бұрын
Dirge of Cerberus really isn't that bad at all. It's the quintessential average game.
@Huddy40
8 жыл бұрын
Final Fantasy 13 is an amazing game imho, and I'm a rather hardcore jrpg fan. Is it extremely different? Yes, but its linier gameplay made it really story driven and still has one of my favorite endings in the series with one of the best battle systems along with amazing music. People need to appreciate how much good there is in that game. There are flaws but the good out weighs them imho.
@jdhdp
8 жыл бұрын
Crisis Core, anybody? (Please don't hate me.)
@adamazmi6340
8 жыл бұрын
+MrDarkSun01 It is your opinion but you cannot deny that Zack is the best character of Final Fantasy.
@MatthewHarnage
8 жыл бұрын
+jdhdp Totally agree. Crisis Core was an amazing game in my opinion. The music was really well done by Ishimoto, and the story was gripping in its execution. Plus the 3 main characters were so interesting. And it was really enjoyable to see/play what happened before the almighty FF7. Crisis Core is a masterpiece in my mind. And Zack is a truly likable and deep character.
@MatthewHarnage
8 жыл бұрын
+MrDarkSun01 I'm not sure. jdhdp has never actually replied to any of these. Its hard to actually tell what they mean. Although given the context you are probably right. Either way. I still think CC is fun. Which is also important. Which is also just my opinion.
@jdhdp
8 жыл бұрын
lmao yeah I think it's one of the worst final fantasy games I don't think that it's a bad game by itself, but when you look at what it's trying to do and how it pairs up with FFVII's story... that's what makes it bad. Plus a few other things, but I don't want to write too much in one comment. Look someone else's stuff up, I guess. And Zack wasn't a bad character, I think. Not one of the best, or THE best, but definitely not one of the worst.
@palindinX
8 жыл бұрын
Saying Zack had no development is completely false. He was forced to kill his teacher, forced to fight and kill BOTH of his teacher's past best friends, he was experimented on, while he was on the run from the fucking army for 4 YEARS straight and carrying mako overdosed Cloud during that, he promised to see Arieth one last time but he literally was gunned down by his own cooperation, so he never got to until she also died later, he was showing signs of delusion, depression and regret and you know what? Throughout all that to his dying breath he still stayed true to himself, to Cloud, to Arieth and his dead mentor. And you guys say he's a bad character? I'll tell you who's a bad character, fucking Lightning, she shows almost nothing.
@solidsalt3412
3 жыл бұрын
Wait so a complaint about crystal chronicles echos of time is that it has text only speech? It's a ds game?
@Zullala
8 жыл бұрын
Ugh, FFXIV made me so sad! I had a brilliant time playing FFXI and I'm SOOOoooo sad to see it go. I was expecting FFXI to be reborn (heh heh) into a newer streamlined, better looking version of itself. But OMG, it was so horrible. I stopped playing it for about two years and finally decided to try out ARR and I like it, I like it a lot... but I'm still sad because all of my friends on XI refuse to play it. It's just not as fun without friends. I'm on Balmung if anyone want to play with me *dramatic tear rolls down face*
@NoctLightCloud
8 жыл бұрын
I'm an active FF14 ARR player (thanks for trying it out, it's so much improved since the 1st version) and have a few questions regarding 11. Are the servers still online? Can you still play 11? I completely understand you, I would also miss my 14-friends if I moved on to another game t___t But the 14-community is also sooo nice, it's just fun ♡
@Zullala
8 жыл бұрын
NoctLightCloud FFXI is shutting down in March D:! My heart hurts to think that it' going to be gone. I wish FB would have been around back then. I wish I was still in touch with my friends from that game. I know! I love the community! That's why I loved FFXI so much. The community there was also really friendly. I just finished Heavensward. It was so good O_O.
@NoctLightCloud
8 жыл бұрын
Zullala Omg can't they like...put it on a smaller server and still continue running it? Noooo why are they shutting it down? I wanted to try it out t___t
@Zullala
8 жыл бұрын
NoctLightCloud I really wish they would just leave it running as a small game. Like, they don't have to make new content but just, let people play on it till the revenue can't sustain the server space. I know this is silly, but it kind of feels like a friend who is terminally ill. I know they only have a month or two to live and it's so sad. I'm going to miss that game.
@NoctLightCloud
8 жыл бұрын
Zullala play it as long as you still can t____t
@blowc1612
3 жыл бұрын
I expected 13 in this and wasn’t disappointed. But dissing on Vanille?! My favorite character in the game? That’s going too far!
@TheSSJSnoop
3 жыл бұрын
Lol I loved XIII as well but Vanille had the worst English voice acting.
@ScoutMoser
7 жыл бұрын
13 was awesome and I thought Vanille kicked ass. I also enjoyed The After Years despite some useless characters.
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