Retired cop here... The Raven .25 was used in more murders than any other gun in the area I worked. Been retired 20 years so might be different now. Test fired many Ravens. They all worked.
@El_L38
11 ай бұрын
Would you say that the CIA gives us those type of cheap weapons for satans work
@vxy357
11 ай бұрын
What made them so deadly? And who were the victims?
@mikemcphillips4445
11 ай бұрын
They were cheap and easy to carry. Shootings were up close and personal.
@archietheracehorse
11 ай бұрын
@@mikemcphillips4445sadly the bad guys have upgraded to 9mm with extended magazines. At least victims had a better chance of survival with .25
@js4187
8 ай бұрын
Did you ever plant one of those ravens on someone to charge them with a crime ?
@icescrew1
Жыл бұрын
My raven never failed. Shot alot of rounds through it. Insanely accurate out two 2 feet.
@bobborlog1677
Жыл бұрын
I carried a 25acp raven for years in my boot I shot a few hundred rounds through it without a problem .
@alexanderchapman2525
11 ай бұрын
I'm with you. These things are neat little "mouse guns" and sure beat throwing a rock at someone. Had one for years and shot the dickens out of it with no hiccups.
@icescrew1
11 ай бұрын
@@alexanderchapman2525 I'd like to find a couple
@daviddestefano5044
11 ай бұрын
i agree my raven long since retired but i have to say never a malfuction ...lets face it these guns not shot much
@DJPitBear
11 ай бұрын
Mine only Failed when I was using Aluminum shell casings ☹️☹️☹️, OTHER WISE NEVER any Trouble 👍👍👍
@oldcop18
11 ай бұрын
I arrested a lot of guys who were packing Rohm revolvers & Raven auto loaders during my 30 year (Ret. ‘97) career. Also saw a lot of folks killed by those Saturday Night Specials.
@El_L38
11 ай бұрын
Would you say the CIA gives us those guns in mass amounts for population control
@archietheracehorse
11 ай бұрын
Now they are carrying hi cap 9's Glock, Taurus, as well as hi points. I wish they were carrying Davis derringers, rohm wheel guns and Ravens
@hatchetwound666
7 ай бұрын
@@archietheracehorse Yeah these cheapo guns going under probably led to criminals having more access to good guns.
@joewright2304
11 ай бұрын
I owned a Raven many years ago. Kept it clean and lubricated, and it never jammed. I know of a young woman who dropped an attacker with one shot using a Raven.
@chriss5010
Жыл бұрын
I have an original Jennings J-22 that my late cousin owned. He put thousands of rounds thru it with zero issues. I onced the Bryco version and also had zero issues.
@mac11380
11 ай бұрын
I had the same gun, it was reliable and accurate.....until my ex wife stole it.
@Just1American1966
11 ай бұрын
I bought mine in 1987. Shot it a lot back then, but haven't in decades. Still have it. Kind of a pretty little thing.
@bhartley868
Жыл бұрын
Ravens were a copy of a old German design , very heavy big slide made them reliable & the .25 caliber did not tax the gun and wear it out . They were tough and easy to work on and clean , had a fixed barrel too . Just watch for the slide bite ! It fit the back pocket great very flat and square it stayed put and you could sit on them comfortably . Keep the chamber empty it is a striker fire and can go off. Rack a round when needed . That is really the one sore spot with a Raven having to carry it chamber empty .
@timd729
11 ай бұрын
Dropped them, slammed them against my knee when in a pocket, never had the striker fall.. but I agree, I would not risk it and don't recommend keeping a bullet in the chamber.
@MrAvidOutdoorsman
Жыл бұрын
I hate the blamers who want to sue companies for feel good money!! It wasn't the objects fault the kid got hurt it was the neglect of safety on the humans part!
@jpcaretta8847
11 ай бұрын
Horrible computer voice
@gmailalt6928
7 ай бұрын
There was a defect with the gun, of course the company had fault 😂
@colin1818
6 ай бұрын
@@gmailalt6928 - Had the four firearms safety rules been followed I promise you nobody would have been hurt. Defect or otherwise.
@fenrisgaming8982
3 ай бұрын
@@gmailalt6928 The point being..... the company couldn't control in which direction the barrel was pointed...... whereas the idiot who shot the kid was fully responsible for which direction the barrel of a loaded gun was pointed. The company should definitely be responsible for an unsafe design flaw, but at the end of the day, you are solely responsible for whatever or whoever you damage when you decide to pick up a gun.
@josephpacchetti5997
Жыл бұрын
40 years ago I had a Raven 25acp, never had a problem with it, I've also had 2 Jennings J-22s, and they were accurate, I could hit baby food jars from 50 ft consistently, the 2nd one would sometimes fire two rounds with one trigger pull, which I didn't mind, because in a self defence situation, I could double-tap with a single trigger pull, and for $60 not too bad. 🤣
@Denman500.
Жыл бұрын
I had a Raven 25 acp and I never had any problems ever.
@googlechicken
Жыл бұрын
If it fired 2 shots with one trigger pull it is classified by the ATF as a machine gun.Congratulations your a felon 😂
@atypicalgump6472
10 ай бұрын
Doubt 50 ft stikes at 50 feet
@bunsonhoneydew9099
9 ай бұрын
My J-22 worked until it didn't
@davidtaylor5204
Жыл бұрын
I remember buying a Ravens in .25 for $25. It never jammed on me, and we put a lot of ammo through it. My kids adopted it and I haven't seen it in decades.
@garywilliams1846
Жыл бұрын
I personally don’t think that the Raven Arms MP-25 is a piece of junk at all.. it’s been a very reliable little pistol and also a very good piece to have as a collection piece when you no longer plan on putting any more rounds through it. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
@deathnote-bq2fs
11 ай бұрын
If the gun don't run 500 plus people act like they're junk, hi-point comes to mind even tho I seen many videos where they actually out perform higher end pistols
@red9man2130
Жыл бұрын
The Raven .25 was a VERY common gun for Cops to carry as back up. Zamak has been used by German Gun makers for years without problems PROVIDED low pressure Cartridges are used i.e. .25 and .32 auto. Bruce Jennings spent $500.000 Dollars to perfect the Magazine in the j22. The main issue with reliablity in these Pieces is often burrs left over from manufacture. A "fluff and buff" will usually cure this. I also believe Hinckley used an RG23 which was the Model with the swing out cylinder.
@lucianprescott8357
11 ай бұрын
I was a cop in the Midwest during the Raven craze. Almost every cop carried one in a handcuff pouch on their duty belt as a backup. We appreciated them for what they provided. As long as you didn’t use exotic ammunition and kept it clean and maintained, the weapon performed perfectly.
@Just1American1966
11 ай бұрын
This one carried a Jennings J22 a few times as a backup or even an off-duty piece the first few weeks or so..
@mikepulis4618
11 ай бұрын
I had one until it went full auto. It got destroyed. Found an Erma after that which I also broke.
@mattmarzula
11 ай бұрын
RG-14.
@timd729
11 ай бұрын
@@mikepulis4618 didn't have to destroy it. Its a simple fix in the trigger mechanism. You could have cut a part with a Dremel and sheet metal.
@joshtiscareno1312
Жыл бұрын
The Phoenix Arms HP-22 is actually a pretty great little gun. The .22lr round is notoriously flaky in automatic actions for a wide variety of reasons, so it's unusual to find a reliable one. But it's even rarer to find a reliable .22lr pocket pistol. And yet, somehow, the HP-22 is well known for being quite reliable. The major drawback to the HP-22 is the absurd amount of redundant safeties that were crammed into it for liability reasons. But these safeties can easily be modified to create a slick little pocket pistol that is actually a fun little gun, and quite reliable for a .22 automatic. While it might eventually fail after a few thousand rounds, most people will never put that much ammo through it. And it's cheap enough that you can just buy another one easily enough. Reliable .22 pocket autos are as rare as hens teeth. In fact, I don't know of any other pocket .22s that are even remotely as reliable as the HP-22. So while it may not be perfect, it's still quite good for what it is.
@Just1American1966
11 ай бұрын
Actually, when it does fail, Phoenix is known to simply replace it under warranty.
@ScottWiecenski
11 ай бұрын
I have an HP22A that I use as my carry gun. I agree it is reliable, but the video stated it was "lightweight". 20 Oz for a gun this size is far from lightweight.
@Just1American1966
11 ай бұрын
@ScottWiecenski Trying to make the HP22A a pocket-carry gun is how I ended up with a Kel-Tec P32. The Phoenix is heavy, sharp-edged, and complicated by something like 64 different safety features. I also wanted something more ready for "pull, point, and press to play" in a defensive gun, having been primarily a revolver shooter for many years. Still, the HP22A is solid and a fun little shooter. I find it more enjoyable than even either of my Ruger Mk-II pistols, maybe because the Rugers are "too easy". One would be hard-pressed to find, in its price category, another pistol with a real hammer, as crisp a trigger, and a rear sight that is at least adjustable for windage.
@ScottWiecenski
11 ай бұрын
@@Just1American1966 I went with a Bersa Thunder .380. Roughly the same weight, but a more effective calibre.
@Just1American1966
11 ай бұрын
@@ScottWiecenski Have one of those, too. Was a bit big for pocket-carry for me. Excellent gun, though.
@Boone911
11 ай бұрын
I worked in a gun shop after I was discharged from the Army back in the early 80's. Those little Raven Arms handguns were probably the most popular guns we sold. Seems everybody in Valdez, Alaska owned one. They were actually pretty reliable. The guys buying them were well paid Alyeska employees that could afford high end firearms and bought those as well. .
@SealClubberz
11 ай бұрын
If you want a Real Saturday night special..get A .38 Rock island m206 revovler or A Bersa thunder .380 theyre small enough to be ankle guns/front coat pocket or inside a coat pocket. Theyre reliable and have more than enough stopping power plus withbthe .38...dont gotta pick up shells.
@christopherconard2831
11 ай бұрын
I had a Frankenstein Bersa 380. Found the lower portion (Frame, barrel, trigger bits were disassembled) at a gun show for $15 I believe. Checking through Shotgun News (Very early internet, so not an option) I was able to get the rest of the parts. I was pleasantly surprised that it worked. Probably around $40 for them. Not a target pistol by any means, but reliable and bullets went in the direction I pointed it.
@SealClubberz
11 ай бұрын
@@christopherconard2831 bersa/ Talon armaments make fantastic FAIR priced budget pistols. The Bersa thunder 380 is based off the walther ppk design and for under 310 can't complain.
@bobbyblanco5351
Жыл бұрын
Tht raven is classic an works good !!! 🔥 Never jammed
@robgibson3449
Жыл бұрын
Last year, I picked up a shabby looking Raven for cheap. Cleaned it up, put in a new recoil spring, and it runs great. It's reasonably accurate, too.
@Chris_the_Dingo
11 ай бұрын
I had a Phoenix HP22 back in the 90s. I probably wouldn't take it into battle, but it wasn't that bad. Weird safeties, but I never had reliability issues
@douglaspage2398
8 ай бұрын
I have no complaints about my little Raven or the Titan I had back in the 80s. Both were reliable, and the only repair I ever needed was a firing pin for the Raven (which I bought used) after 20 years of regular use at the range, which only cost me $10 to repair. And both were accurate, especially for the short barrel. Definitely not hand cannons, but great backup pistol.
@bigman-jm5mf
Жыл бұрын
Have to say nice to see my Sundance didn't make the list.
@dustinh4175
11 ай бұрын
Mouse guns are just fun
@CUDA1970Terry
11 ай бұрын
The Jennings .22 was a randomly dependable. One I have shot very consistently and was amazingly accurate for a pistol of this size and quality.
@placebomandingo2095
11 ай бұрын
Same story here. Jammed all the time.
@timd729
11 ай бұрын
You had to get a Dremel and lightly sand the bottom of the chamber till it's a rounder shape and connects better with the feed ramp. The problem with the j22s is they got no chamber ramp. Raven 25s do have a chamber ramp though and they feed smooth, even if you ride the slide down.
@reedkinney8776
9 ай бұрын
I had a Jennings, J-.22 LR, shot it near a thousand times and it never failed. Lost it, then got another one, the same thing, no reliability issues. Both were accurate enough for me. Consistent hits, coke can at 20 yds, but It is definitely a very close-range weapon. I guess, sometimes you get good one, and sometimes you don't
@dirkvanerp7332
11 ай бұрын
As a kid, I remember these all over the place in stores in the 70's for 15 to 20 bucks! Off the shelf, out the door!
@robertwhitaker3858
Жыл бұрын
I have one of the Davis .380 ACP. I bought it a pawn shop because I already had a Makarov chambered in .380 ACP so I already had ammunition. Only shot it a couple times, it’s too small and if your not careful the slide will pinch your hand. Compact makes it a good backup.
@vxy357
11 ай бұрын
Don't drop it if it's loaded because it WILL go off. A kid in Houston,TX died when his brother was playing with the gun and dropped it. Another time, a kid brought the gun to school to show off to his classmates. he dropped the gun and it went off. Fortunately, no one got shot.
@tinamathews3379
11 ай бұрын
I've had a Raven 25, and an RG-14. They were damned good and reliable guns.
@nimbly1693
11 ай бұрын
The girl I dated in high school, her dad had a Jennings J22. He said it came apart and the firing pin disappeared. I found one on Numrich gun parts, and fixed it.
@mrmann44
Жыл бұрын
Had a Lorcin 22 back in the 90's. It was actually pretty reliable, boxes of 500 were cheap then and we'd run that sucker all day. Pretty accurate with 30 ft or so.
@madtownangler
10 ай бұрын
I remember buying a milk jug full of 22lr at Kmart for like $10 back in the early 90's.
@kttrouble7053
10 ай бұрын
Had a Lorcin 25- my.last carry piece- use glassers-- cheap gun in case I had to lose it. Worked fine
@josephtaub20
10 ай бұрын
A big favorite of mine is the Rohm RG-63. It's a 6-shot revolver in .38spl (there was a 5-shot made, but I don't know the model number) shaped as nearly as possible like the Colt Peacemaker, but is DA/SA. It loads and unloads just like the Colt (one at a time thru a gate), seems to be made of some sort of alloy, came in blue and nickel. I've had several and never paid more than $50, and have actually carried one for self-defense. Believe it or not, I once qualified on a 60-round police qualifying course up to 60 yards with better than 80% and all fired within times! My agency, embarrassed, refused to record the score (This was 1970's, revolver course) with most folks using S&W k-frames. Not bad accuracy AND completely reliable through hundreds of rounds!
@marstondavis
11 ай бұрын
At the time all of those 'Ring of Fire' pistols were being made there was a fantastic little .25 of great value AND reliability for sale. I refer to the Bauer (later the Fraser) .25 auto. They were made of stainless steel and only cost $75 when new back in 1975. They are very well made and work EVERY TIME. The rest of those 'so called guns' were the same price as the Bauer but never lasted after the first 100-200 rounds. I've got a Bauer and I shoot it all the time. It's had at least 2500 rounds thru it and it's as good as new. They sell now on the used market for around. $350-$500, and if you like small semi-autos you might want to check one out. Spare parts are everywhere. They're an exact copy of a Colt .25 auto. So, no problem there. Check 'em out. Cool little guns for up close work. Six shots...real quick...no jams!
@mwilliamshs
9 ай бұрын
The Bauer was a copy of the FN Baby Browning, not a Colt.
@454FatJack
Жыл бұрын
USA became safe 1968 when small exllent grade pocket pistol’s were prohibited. So low quality 🇺🇸guns got that Closed market😂 Walther PPK,TPH, Baby Browning just a few
@malayangrago5628
11 ай бұрын
For the first time, I really enjoyed this review with its concise description of firearms, background of companies, anecdotes and the occasional joke. The review breezes through with the right pace and sounded crisp, and the choice of words clearly understandable. 👍👍👍👍👍
@jcraigshelton
11 ай бұрын
Always thought it would be fun and funny to trick out a Raven. Do an action job on it and maybe install a rail on it.
@colin1818
6 ай бұрын
Gucci Raven
@scott9628
Жыл бұрын
My grandpa had a Raven, love that little gun.
@daveh4914
Жыл бұрын
Rambling commentary to follow, read at your own discretion. Most of the ring of fire companies have gone the way of the dodo. Phoenix Arms is still around of course, making the HP-22 and 25. Jennings/Bryco/Jimenez has done another sued in to bankruptcy, form another company Jennings family two step. The new version of the company, JA industries LLC only makes the JA 9 now. The convoluted lineages of Davis, and Lorcin are pretty much done. Cobra picked up where Davis left off, in the typical Jennings family style bankruptcy two step. Along the way they began producing two of Lorcins designs in addition to the old Davis lineup. Cobra eventually went under and was succeeded by Bearman industries. At that point they only produced the derringer line. Recently the rights to the derringers were sold off to a new company called Old West firearms, who have continued to offer the Davis/Cobra/Bearman derringers. I have no idea if the new company is owned by yet another extended member of the Jennings family, but given the history of the ring of fire gun manufacturers, that is a possibility. Along with the usual problems with those guns, the advancing technology in firearms, has rendered them obsolete. Cheap polymer framed double action pistols that offer features similar to more expensive handguns are common. A cheap blowback handgun made using zamak isn't going to be substantially cheaper than their more capable competitors like a Taurus G2c That leaves the ring of fire guns in the history books for the most part. They are a historical, and perhaps a mechanical curiosity at this point. Probably in the realm of a novelty, or collectors item. Oh for the Raven owners out there, Phoenix arms still sells magazines, and parts for the Raven. Or at least they did as of a couple of years ago, when I bought from them. Pretty interesting that they still had stuff for a design that has been out of production for three decades.
@Da_Benski
11 ай бұрын
I think the Zamak crowd shifted strongly to Hi Point as well. A big Hi Point is more intimidating than a mouse gun for home defense.
@Just1American1966
11 ай бұрын
Raven was also sued after Florida high school teacher Barry Grunow was murdered by a student with one in 2000. Raven prevailed in the suit.
@OL-Tom
Жыл бұрын
Love my Raven MP-25
@keatotherealone520
Жыл бұрын
I went with a ruger lcp for 180 rather than the jimenez 380 for like 80-100 bucks so I think I got a better deal lol
@anthonyangeli256
11 ай бұрын
You did
@timd729
11 ай бұрын
Before Covid and internet tax I saw a bunch of cobra 380(almost the same as the Jimenez) for $50 on GunBroker. $180 Ruger LCP isn't bad at all.
@anthonyangeli256
11 ай бұрын
@@timd729 ever hear the saying " you get what you pay for"? Ruger is a good choice. Although that little Ruger is not easy to rack. & it has a snappy recoil. But overall a decent piece. Good luck in your endeavors.
@johnrush7699
10 ай бұрын
This is a great video to help the people when it comes to buying a firearm. My advice is if you have to save your money for a while, then save it. Never buy something cheap when you may be betting your life on it. I have 3 handguns in my home, 1 Ruger and 2 Smith and Wesson and several rifles and shotguns and they are all quality firearms, and other than purchasing faulty ammunition I have no worries about misfire or jamming. The rifles and shotguns are made by the Henry firearm co.and Remington and are of good quality as well. You get out of your tools what you put into them and the 2 tools that you don't skimp on are firearms and knives because your life just might depend on one of them or both
@Brandi6666
6 ай бұрын
So your saying only purchase the big name brands. Those cos have and need a great customer service🤭🤭
@johnrush7699
6 ай бұрын
@@Brandi6666 no, what I'm saying is that when it comes to firearms buy the very best you can afford. When you are buying something that you might be staking your life on, you don't want something that will misfire or completely inaccurate. Everyone has their own preference and free to choose what they want but I stand by getting the best firearm you can. You can skimp out with a lot of different things, but something that you will have and use for a lifetime always get the best and to me, the 3 that I named are the best
@michaeljennings5860
5 ай бұрын
I carried a raven in 25 acp and a spare 6 shot magazine and a 18 shot magazine and a Jennings 22 and 4 spare magazines for back up when I was in law enforcement in the early 80s and I still have them and carrying them today, they are very accurate pocket carriers and back up pistols , but I have various other types and calibers and revolvers including magnums, don’t recommend any small caliber ones,especially for people that have very little experience and knowledge in them, but I have military and law enforcement experience and even the little ones are not a good choice, but they can have a certain niche if they are used in the appropriate way
@davidmarks5400
8 ай бұрын
I finally got me a very good condition ,Raven MP-25,shiny chrome with pearl white grips with an embedded raven arms medallion. I want it for a collectible and it shoots perfectly. The " Godfather"of Saturday night specials.
@colin1818
6 ай бұрын
My Raven is in somewhat rough shape (it's definitely been carried for decades) but it shoots like a champ. And I have the Raven medallion on there like yours. Considering how cheap they are I'd totally buy another one in the condition you describe.
@oo7-ro6bu
11 ай бұрын
Phoenix arms 22s & 25s are great little plinkers. No problems with them.
@jamiejohnson8176
11 ай бұрын
I had a Phoenix arms model raven 25 that shot every time even when I dropped it
@timd729
11 ай бұрын
You needed a tougher sear spring. Easy fix, somebody probably lost the original spring and put a sh*tty replacement spring.
@TheBeefSlayer
11 ай бұрын
I forgot all about the Jennings! 😂
@bigjay123
Жыл бұрын
I have an old Bauer .25 auto palm pistol. It's my gaspump gun.
@dudemcx1077
Жыл бұрын
Those are pretty nice! Not a Saturday night special. They are getting hard to find and collectible.
@douglaspage2398
6 ай бұрын
I have had two Ravens and a Lorcin .380. i still have one of the Ravens and the Lorcin. I bought one new back in the 80s, it saw a lot of use at the range and never gave me any problems, the second one I bought used for a song in about 1993, after buying it I found a crack in the firing pin, and the wooden grips were cracked. I replaced the firing pin and since the aftermarket grips were crap, I made my own from some Osage Orange that I had and added some thickness and hand carving. I still have it, and in spite of having ran somewhere around 20 50 count boxes of ammo throug it, it is still in exellent condition and has been very reliable. The Lorcin is also still working very well, in spite of being soaked in rat piss for several months (was caring for my mom at her place when Alzheimer's struck, and it was in a closet on the top shelf, that is how I found it) in spite of looking like a basket case when I discovered the situation. After unsticking the slide and inspection, everything but the finish was still in practically mint condition. After refinishing, you can still see a bit of pitting on the outside showing through, but it has been thoroughly tested and works like a champ. I believe the law suits were far more about the money behind the activist non profit orginizations funding the lawsuits than the safety of the guns. Because mine have functioned exactly as intended. Inexpensive home defense.
@creightonleerose582
7 ай бұрын
Ive got a Raven P-25 that 'jus snoozes away in the safe. Possessed it for 25+ years now. Just recently re-built it w/all parts that can be exchanged. Pretty accurate 'lil piece considering its limitations, prob due to the fixed barrel. But back in tha day when I did fire it alot it NEVER had ANY issues whatsoever. Never failed to feed, fire, extract, eject & re-feed the next round....
@brothersbrothas414
11 ай бұрын
My Phoenix arms jams occasionally but is still a decent range toy. Especially for under $200. My jennings 22 on the other hand, can hardly get through one mag without problems. But it looks pretty
@Aenima308
11 ай бұрын
Lol my Raven P25 has never jammed once. Ammo is stupid expensive, but it works when it needs to.
@outlaws360
11 ай бұрын
Had a raven arms MP-25 and I never had an issue with it. I never understood why people dogged them so hard. Mine at least was accurate and reliable. The rare stovepipe if it hadn’t been cleaned in a while but that’s it. A .25 isn’t much in terms of power but at the same time I personally wasn’t ever carrying it for defense, it was the yard work gun for snakes and critters. Didn’t like the slide bite from a high grip but overall it was a fine little gun. Tad heavy with pocket carry but I’d buy another in a minute.
@bufordhighwater9872
11 ай бұрын
Zamak is the same alloy that is used to make Hot Wheels. Lol
@brotherhorse3746
11 ай бұрын
Yes, Zamak starts to turn to white powder after 40-50 years and is advanced by high humidity. Many German medals from WWII are turning to white powder now. Many rivets on Hot Wheels show some of the white powder in just a few years. Zinc bathroom fixtures, same thing, 40 years (AND with high humidity) inside of a bathroom, turns them to powder. It's officially called: Zinc Pest. (Zinc turning to white powder.)
@kurtvanluven9351
11 ай бұрын
Rather have an affordable gun ON ME than try to tell the mugger to come back when I am prepared.
@richardmcginnis5344
11 ай бұрын
i had a jennings 9mm back in 1994 that i bought new in the box for 100 bucks
@chicorodriguez3964
8 ай бұрын
The modern walther ppks 22lr has a slide made from zamak I bought one when they first came out about 10 years ago as soon as I noticed how cheaply it was made I sold it
@benjimenfranklin7650
Жыл бұрын
This is just the tip of the iceberg there are many more that were not mentioned.
@patsyleeoswald9912
11 ай бұрын
Why does no one ever discuss the Friday Night Specials?
@tomslikk2130
11 ай бұрын
I still have one of the Davis .380 ACP that I bought Brand new for 75 dollars I think in the early 90's. I haven't shot it in years, but it was pretty accurate at 25 yards.
@vxy357
11 ай бұрын
Same here. I paid 75-80 dollars for mine in the early 90's. It hams a lot but i still would keep it in my gun collection.
@FrancinePinardi-r3o
11 ай бұрын
I shot nothing but stingers through My Jennings 22 with little or no problem for years
@paulbrungardt9823
6 ай бұрын
When buying a gun--Buy quality--Nobody eve regrets buying a quality gun.
@JoeAmarone
9 ай бұрын
Had a Sterling 22 semi auto in 1978. Jammed no matter what companies ammo i tried to run through it.Traded it for a Freedom Arms 22 wheel gun.
@phild8095
11 ай бұрын
I bought a Raven MP-25 for my wife in 82 from a drugstore in Dennison, Texas. The gun is still intact and in use with my daughter.
@empirednw6624
Жыл бұрын
Always wanted to get killed by an old school Saturday night special.
@rhettoracle9679
Жыл бұрын
Still have a Rohm 3 inch barrel 22 LR revolver that I bought new at dealer cost- $12 in 1974. Used it very little (quality concerns), primarily with 22LR snake shot to dispense with any water moccasins dropping into the boat from tree limbs while fishing. Shot pattern at close range made it easy to hit a moving snake and the tiny shot wouldn't put a hole in the boat. Peace
@kimmorrison9169
11 ай бұрын
the common theme being these companies are sued out of existence
@brotherhorse3746
11 ай бұрын
And many pawn shops wont take them if they have been recalled or made of Zinc/ Zamak. THEY dont want to be sued either !
@StopItRyan
Жыл бұрын
Having shot a Lorcin before, I can easily say that is unequivocally the worst gun I've ever fired. It is ugly, uncomfortable, inaccurate, and just a general stinker. I think my credit score went down just by touching it. I would honestly put it higher than a JA9 because at least the JA9's reliability (or lack there of) stops the user from having to experience firing it. It honestly makes a Hi-Point look like a Beretta product.
@mymomsaysimcool9650
8 ай бұрын
My Raven is still going. And it’s tremendously accurate out to 15 yards. It used to be my grandfather’s who carried it as a bank manager. It just works.
@jamesstark3402
8 ай бұрын
I have a Raven 25 semi auto that my grandmother left me years ago. It’s actually not too shabby for a cheap gun
@reinventingthemonkey
Жыл бұрын
Never had an issue with my Raven
@OMOTM
10 ай бұрын
My first gun was a Jennings .380. Bought it at a gun show when I wanted to go to the range with my father. It was cheap and it jammed once in awhile, but thought it was okay since I didn't know how often I would shoot. I never knew it was from the "ring of fire" group until just recently. I've kept that gun for sentimental reasons and still use it at the range, and yes, it still jams once in awhile, despite being cleaned. I would never CC it. I will tell you that it handles pretty well. With these cheap guns, you also have to understand that criminals use them and don't take care of them, so of course they are going to misfire way more often than any other gun.
@joshuasutton4043
7 ай бұрын
Mine is reliable changed my ravens firing pin to steel one new springs and clean and lubed each time I fire it works flawless no misfires .
@blakake
11 ай бұрын
I had a ja-22 by Jaminez and it was reliable if you used CCI stingers/mini mags
@dennisparker467
Жыл бұрын
What about the Clerke Techne Corp .22 revolver I bought one around 1971-72 for $29.99, just because I could. You cannot believe how bad it was. It shaved lead out the side and the casting was so poorly done. The metal did not fill the mold. I thought it might be number1.
@timd729
11 ай бұрын
I almost bought one off eBay 10 years ago, they guy thought it was a cap gun... I've read a lot about the shaving lead from the sides, yikes, would hate to have a revolver that does that. Why I tend to stay away from old revolvers at pawn shops, you never know how messed up they are.
@mikefranklin1253
11 ай бұрын
The first time I was shot at was with a Raven. I had a shotgun and a .357. His was a poor choice.
@DenCon143
8 ай бұрын
Jeez there are a lot of gun snobs when discussing these pocket guns. I'm with every Raven owner posting here. I never had any issue/problem shooting mine. I don't live in an open carry state. However, at 75 years old, I sometimes feel like a vulnerable mark to some would-be criminal. My Raven .25 easily fits in my front cargo pant pocket. I have an easy release pocket holster for it. And, my .25's weight doesn't pull my pants down, as larger, heavier guns do.
@sammonaco5400
11 ай бұрын
I have a Phoenix arms 22lr I have never had a problem it never jammed and was pretty accurate.the only problem with it ,was breaking it down to clean it
@jessenibley8878
Жыл бұрын
I've also had a number of Hi-Point 9 mm a cheapest shit guns are actually pretty fucking fire
@brotherhorse3746
11 ай бұрын
pretty FINE. They always go pew. But are huge and heavy.
@petemcconn2524
10 ай бұрын
Bought a Ruger 38spl snub nose for $90 at a Pawn Shop near FT.BLISS 158 grain ammo, no issues
@shanemichael3925
10 ай бұрын
I purchased the Raven 25cal around 1980 still works just fine after replacing broken firing pin 1995 with at least few thousand rounds being fired.Very accurate at 25-30 feet.
@babaganoush6518
8 ай бұрын
Mine needs a new firing pin as well.
@haroldjohnson2041
Жыл бұрын
Handgun Test raved about the Raven Arms MP25 ACP they tested, apparently you mad man have not tested this or the Jennings J22.
@haroldjohnson2041
11 ай бұрын
madman never test anything [He] just uses anecdotal information and is full of Bovine Stool.
@haroldjohnson2041
11 ай бұрын
I was harsh so I want to say I sorry that MadMan Review is full of Bovine Stool, many of the guns on this video are junk, the Raven and the Jennings are not bad, I do not own them but I have shot several examples they worked.
@williamanderson6006
8 ай бұрын
Had a raven loved it I put a pop can about 10 feet away shot about 20 times and never hit it
@jorgevazquez4193
Жыл бұрын
Purchased, first a Raven P-25, walnut grips, early 80’s, cuz that’s all could afford, from a local pawn shop, new of course. Could afford to shoot 50 rds every two weeks. The Raven P-25 always went bang. Still take out to the range once or twice a year, nostalgia thing. Still goes, bang. Five years later bought a Jennings 22RF, from home town K-Mart, never a hick up with plated ammo. Goes to the range with my Raven. Guess, I must have had good luck on these guns. Still shoot them, and they still go, bang. 🇨🇱
@JohnSmith-kw8lt
11 ай бұрын
Even tho the Raven Arms MP25 is and has been under recall for 35+ years, I still own the one I purchased back in 1989. I also own an RG 14.
@ronaldpierce6924
9 ай бұрын
Jennings used a Pirate logo and their ads said, "Look for the Pirate." I always figured the Pirate was the guy taking your money.
@tonymontano8868
9 ай бұрын
I don't like videos of people hating on guns that are lower price. If a gun is maintained and used properly it will serve you well. Of course they aren't meant for competition or war type scenarios. They are for walking down the street in bad neighborhoods where just the sight of a gun will scare away cowards who would otherwise try to hurt you. Noone expects much more than being able to get a couple rounds off which is what usually happens in those situations. Everyone is entitled to their opinions however not everyone can afford to buy an expensive gun. I would still rather have one of these than nothing at all. In a perfect world noone would need a gun to protect themselves. We don't live in a perfect world and these were made out of necessity. You don't have to buy one if you are a gun snob and I don't have to agree with people bashing them. If more people openly carried even cheap guns around their wouldn't be so many mass shootings. The mass shooters know that people are vulnerable because gun snobs tell them not to carry anything unless it's a 1000 dollar competition gun that most people can't afford. Imagine if a shooter walked into a place and everyone had a gun to fight back. The government wants control of us and I wouldn't doubt if they send mass shooters out once in awhile themselves. Either way we all have the freedom to buy whatever we want but it's all up to the individual to make that choice. I hope everyone stays safe out there and thank you for letting me voice my opinion.
@paulmatakovich9096
9 ай бұрын
Raven, cobra, and Davis all had the same look. I had a Davis P380 always worked and only cost me $80
@XrayxRich
10 ай бұрын
I drunkenly traded a NAA Mini Revolver that I hated for a beat up Chrome Raven MP-25. I like it so much I bought a pristine Black MP-25. Both are reliable and accurate. I bought a new Phoenix HP-22 Range Kit with 3" & 5" barrels. Not for CCW, it fails every time I take it to the range.
@colonialrebel9964
4 ай бұрын
I own a Raven MP-25 and out of all of my guns it's my 2nd to last choice to carry, the last choice being a single shot derringer chambered in 22 short. 😂
@richvest7212
Жыл бұрын
I disagree on the raven, I can afford what I want but my 25 is usually in my pocket For last 40 yrs It's better than some of the taurus you promote
@placebomandingo2095
11 ай бұрын
Those J-22's are pretty good looking little guns. The rest are kinda blocky. My old girlfriend carried a Raven 25 and it was quite reliable, but so shitty looking. She was exactly the opposite.
@wayneelliott9523
9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@306jah
10 ай бұрын
I had plenty of these pistol back when i was a young teen in my wild youth age
@mattzee6287
10 ай бұрын
That raven, aka phoenix, triggered ptsd. Hand eating. Never could deliver a grouping under 3' @ 10 yds . Id rather just take a beating than attempt to use in self defense.
@steventhorson4487
11 ай бұрын
1972!!......😊 awesome memories!!....
@chrisbrady-t1u
8 ай бұрын
I have ALWAYS wondered what these guns weighed,etc.Priceless info you cant do without
@derekbotha9508
10 ай бұрын
never owned by have shoot a number of rounds through a raven it was fairly accurate and very reliable. I think it is s good firearm for someone who cannot afford anything else. To be honest i feel it doesn't fits the Saturday night special definition. Another thing to remember is that most people who buy these are not enthusiasts and do not put hundreds let alone thousands of rounds through them. So they lasted well enough. A number of people were of the opinion tha the term Saturday night special, was a ploy by politicians to reduce firearm ownership by making it too expensive for low invome earners, a common ploy by democrats similiar to the use of the term assult weapon, which none of them seem to be able to define.
@eviljesus1482
9 ай бұрын
Lol I've had so many of these... I do still have 1 little ja .380 that I tuned up when I did my lever action (already had everything out, played with a few of my cheap toys) and it doesn't have any problems. More accurate than I expected and just as small (but heavier) than the new plastic .380's. Good backup gun if you had to, I guess lmao... I prefer my Beretta if I go .380 though, because you never know with the cheap mags lmao
@Donut.79
8 ай бұрын
Ravens were reliable and were cheap 30 to 50 dollars back in the early 90s. Couldn't hit anything past 5 feet though lol.
@bassclef41
10 ай бұрын
This was cool . I agree in some of the choices . I own the The Phoenix Arms HP-22 and HP-25 A and found them very reliable and good teaching tools Other than the 6000 safety bugs they have proven there worth and in fact use both as desk tools and stash guns but not and EDC more of a collection deal. Both are cool
@marksample6230
10 ай бұрын
I had a Raven 25 not bad.
@Roundpeg-Squarehole
11 ай бұрын
I love my Raven. You do you bud👍
@fbweaver63
11 ай бұрын
i wouldn't trust my life to any of the pos ring of fire pot metal junk shown in this video. i would, however, trust a yeet cannon if that is all i could afford.
@donwyoming1936
10 ай бұрын
The HP-22 is a pretty good pistol. Not typically included in Saturday Night Special vids because it actually works, and it's heavy. Slide is made of steel. 🤠
@chronicwhisper
11 ай бұрын
My 1970s rg 22 slipped into a pocket was a killer. Pot metal
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