I was glad to see Robin appear on here! I’ve been maining them since their appearance in Smash 4, and it’s nice to hear that somebody I think is reputable also sees their potential. I hope this video inspires more players to pick them up, because I’d love to see how Robin performs in the highest echelons of professional play :)
@Smenchevieve
Жыл бұрын
Check out Mad Ice King and Juul. Both are wildly good Robin players!
@ERROR-CitationNeeded
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I never sleep on Robins I see online lol
@khou0
Жыл бұрын
robin cpu's go CRAZY
@ArdorG.
Жыл бұрын
Been maining Robin ever since I played Awakening for the first time back in late 2016. I never understood why they were ranked so low in tier lists because honestly they can go crazy.
@orangeslash1667
Жыл бұрын
@@ArdorG. Robin I think requires patience in order for his durability to not be a huge issue, which for non Fire Emblem fan is hard too except compared to Hero or Ness.
@NikoPikoo
Жыл бұрын
How about a video on the absolute worst matchups? Like matchups where the other character is extremely disadvantaged.
@davidc.
Жыл бұрын
Ganon vs half of the cast
@a1marine105
Жыл бұрын
@@davidc.Little mac has joined the chat
@YanOnYT
Жыл бұрын
Love the Lucas portion, boy has potential and I know it. I can’t wait to see the video on him, maybe I can learn from it as well. The point with sometimes it getting very awkward when fighting over the lack of tools is very accurate since it happens a lot. Also as a Lucas main I kinda have a mindset that Ness is just the better character, which kind of hurts my motivation to keep up with Lucas which I’m passionate in playing.
@ruffe777
Жыл бұрын
I completely see why he has potential. Maybe it's because of my bias playing him a lot recently or my love towards the EarthBound/Mother series, but looking at the arguments Vars was pointing out, I completely see it
@frankjoz2803
Жыл бұрын
We have Cu4dro, a Lucas main in my city (Gdl Mexico) and he kicks ass. Recently got 10th in the city rankings
@ohianaw
Жыл бұрын
Lucas isnt bad at all but I feel like hes way too technical and demanding in this game. Also the lack of Lucas players and how uncommon he is shows that people arent used to fighting him at all. There are characters who can get the job better then him with significantly less effort
@adomomcjinkies4787
Жыл бұрын
Very technical definitely, can argue he has a even or slightly favorable matchup to Steve. Underrated due to better recovery options and range, excellent edge guarding, etc
@Gaminghj
Жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for that he's my main :)
@aboxyguy
Жыл бұрын
really happy to see jr here. ive heard him called low tier and dismissed since the smash4 days, but he's still so fun to play and has so many ways to mix up gameplay. despite his competitive performance i find his matches so interesting and he's still one of my fav fighters. bonus points for the koopaling alts, this dude is fan service galore
@vick7868
Жыл бұрын
Hes bad but he's so fun. He has such a dumb advantage state.
@user-lq4ct6dr5m
Жыл бұрын
@@vick7868 I love playing him, sniping someone with a bit of math is always fun
@aboxyguy
Жыл бұрын
@@vick7868 not enough people use cannon on opponents off stage, that can be dummy scary once it arcs down. Probably cause there's better options lol
@illford
Жыл бұрын
@@aboxyguy me watching canonball in neutral
@Avaitor_YT
7 ай бұрын
I'm a Jr main so I can't say much without being biased
@flexyfalcon
Жыл бұрын
Duck hunt is so underrated that know one remembers the character, he's a good character it's just that he has a high skill ceiling which discourages a lot of people from playing him. He has so little representation and it doesn't help that raito has disappeared from tournaments.
@Kool212
Жыл бұрын
If Duck Hunt didn't get nerfred twice he'd be an obvious top tier.
@danytalksmusic
Жыл бұрын
duck hunt is in the game??
@2000Doriyas
Жыл бұрын
Duck Hunt STRUGGLES to kill and his disadvantage/recovery is dogshit even with frame 1 can
@illford
Жыл бұрын
@@2000Doriyas there are a lot of bad recoveries in this game tho
@thecarrotsarecoming4711
Жыл бұрын
His recovery is way too exploitable and his game plan is too easy to counter. He has some great confirms with drag down up air and disc but I just don't see him doing too well at the top level.
@ItsNoelleNow
Жыл бұрын
As a Lucas main since Brawl, it's nice to see him here. There's a few things he's needed only to go untouched for the second half of Ultimate's patches (nair and dair could be a bit more consistent for example, and you can still survive PKT2 at over 120% while Ness' kills rather low), but he doesn't get enough credit. I'm excited for his why no one plays video.
@benjamingesinski9170
Жыл бұрын
The character I mostly main in Ultimate is Pit because he sort of speaks to me on different levels. I like his design, his personality, his moveset (for the most part), I even really like his victory fan fare and series icon. There's so much of Pits character that like so much, and that's why I tend to gravitate towards him. But playing Pit can be frustrating because of is inconsistent hitboxes and poor air mobility. If those aspects of Pit were fixed, then I'd like playing him even more.
@burnpisces7733
Жыл бұрын
Deadass if they just fixed either his inconsistent hit boxes or his air mobility (doesnt have to be both) he would be such a fluid character.
@ofanichan
Жыл бұрын
Ive mained Pit all of smash ultimate, but I ended up dropping him recently, not because I think the character is bad. He is still a lot of fun to play, but he doesnt fit what I think would be the playstyle I should have. I definitly suggest anyone to pick up Pit still tho!
@zombieRpoint34
Жыл бұрын
I wish I learned how to read
@Kyara7
Жыл бұрын
Dark Pit / Pit have been the only characters that I feel I've actually clicked with. No other character even comes close to just how "right" they feel, even with all the inconsistencies
@tyfi31
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you on Bowser Jr. I started playing him recently, and even if I don't win with him, i still have so much fun. He has a lot of strengths that I think don't get talked about enough like his aerial combos and long range pressure. Most people don't want to give him the time of day because he's bowser jr.
@kenamada5451
Жыл бұрын
I think Robin in HDR is almost perfect. I didn't think a float using wind tome was something I always wanted on the character, but here we are. Also books coming back faster but not so fast that your aerials are always godlike. It really is good design philosophy.
@thomasstewart1380
Жыл бұрын
So happy to see Wii Fit Trainer on here. They're one of my favorites. Their moves feel so satisfying to land. Not to mention the entertainment value of all the whistle blowing and little exercise quotes. Lol Edit: Yes. Robin too. Once I found out Robin had a pretty solid recovery, my spike-happy self was real invested. Anyone I can force to recover from below is gonna have me coming down there to attempt a down air since I know that as long as I have the green tome ready I can up-b back to stage from a pretty long ways.
@2centstudios
Жыл бұрын
One of the things to keep in mind about Ultimate is that we really don't have any "bad" characters in the sense that they don't work or can't function in the competitive environment, just bad relative to what we think of as good. I don't think we have any underrated characters so much as we have underplayed characters given that we know they are good. Like I personally think Wii Fit is at least as good as Falcon, but I can't justify placing her that high given results.
@strikerali2160
Жыл бұрын
Lucario is definitely underrate imo. He’s got SO many mixups and he has a lot that’s safe on shield and Aura Sphere is REALLY good at catching landings and an underrated camping tool imo.
@codyholley
Жыл бұрын
Looks like someone understands he's the character I'd recommend any novice player start with. He literally gets better the more you suck in a match
@dedmeme21
Жыл бұрын
I think another character that’s super underrated is banjo. The_hunter had a really good run with them at smash con and the character honestly has most of the tools you would need with lots of similarities to a character like link with some slight nerfs/reworks.
@aronspiker72
Жыл бұрын
One of the main problems is that he has literally the worst damage output in the game aside from 0 aura Lucario and maybe SoPo. Almost none of his normals do over like 12% but he doesn't have long combos like Sheik. Also his base stats are really under tuned for a dlc character & he doesn't really have any horse$#@+ hitboxes like Joker or Snake. Also 2 of his aerials are some of the worst in their respective categories (dair & up air) & his Nair has the "mid tier Nair" hitbox of Pit & Belmont but doesn't have the combo potential or offstage kill power of those 2. Overall he is the only DLC character that was designed to be the same power level as the base game newcomers (most of which to this day are low tier or low-mid tier aside from the echo fighters) but also wasn't buffed in any meaningful way, like at all. Seriously I actually can't think of a single positive balance change aside from trying to fix multihit moves & adding literally 1% more damage to his dair or something stupid like that. He didn't even get that many useless changes, he was just ignored for most of the game's life. I didn't mean to devalue your opinion, Banjo just seems like a character that was fundamentally built to be a low tier
@fredhoffman4769
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you, but I also violently hate playing against banjo online - so please don't inspire more people to play him
@MrGameguyC
Жыл бұрын
@@aronspiker72 I don't know why people keep saying Banjo's Up-Air is awful. It's very comparable to Mario's in many ways, it's just their awful mid-air jumps prevent them from taking full advantage of it. You put that move on a normal character & they'd push it.
@dahomie253
Жыл бұрын
@@MrGameguyC I want to agree with you but I’ve seen way too many people fall out of that up air
@smithmichael8144
Жыл бұрын
Yea banjo is really good, he's probably the best ledge trapper, he has so many 2 frames, and cross ups, and a great ledge escape option, and 3 jumps. He's EATING if he back throws you lol. And then you just rack up damage in neutral till a tilt pushes them offstage. Very solid gameplan + 30% wonderwing gimmick lol
@princedemon4209
Жыл бұрын
As a pit main I agree with all of it, even though pits have some well known bad hit boxes, his combo route and edge guarding shows that he can still be a viable tournament character. Especially with players like RaZe, Skylock, Coldweather and others proving that point too
@neeeooorrmm3781
Жыл бұрын
He also does well against Steve, you just jump shoot arrow and hook it over the wall that the Steve puts up makes materials a pain
@rikoraxd
Жыл бұрын
As a heavy lucas main not a lot of people give him time like how they do ness but imo Lucas is way more technical and fundamental which makes him better too learn imo
@Judeinator9001
Жыл бұрын
Ness is just Lucas for noobs tbh
@majorgoobie5123
Жыл бұрын
Can every clip just be the Aegis getting her face bashed in, it brings a smile to my face every time.
@hambughrr8186
Жыл бұрын
Even better: an entire Twitter account about Aegis getting clipped (look I know they're fun to play as, but most Aegis players are weirdos who need a massive reality check)
@True_Damage69
Жыл бұрын
@@hambughrr8186 They aren't just weirdos,just massive losers as well who abuses one of the best characters in the game
@amphicyon4359
Жыл бұрын
Another thing with Lucas is that as you said, he is strong on offence at long, close and mid range, but on defence he is _baaad_ and he can't easily transition from a slight disadvantage in neutral back to true neutral then into an advantage state. He's a weird type of glass canon where he isn't really strong and fast but light, instead he is a force at most aspects of offence but once on the back foot his options and gameplan crumbles quickly.
@vick7868
Жыл бұрын
I was a believer in Pac-Man since I started maining him 3 years into Ultimate and swore with my whole chest that he was underrated. Now he's unanimously top tier and almost unanimously top 10. Happy times.
@FunkyyCat_
Жыл бұрын
Zomba catching strays in the first 30 seconds is a like from me 👍
@karma6761
Жыл бұрын
Lucas in Ultimate reminds me of Yoshi in Melee,. He might just need an Amsa to push him further
@user-cg4yf6ib2h
Жыл бұрын
look up nitox
@danytalksmusic
Жыл бұрын
Lucas Zair is an amazing combo tool, it's just very hard to learn. if you can pull it off it turns Lucas into a deadly character. Look up Blucas and see him wreck Samsora's peach!
@throatgoat
Жыл бұрын
rosa is underated imo. she can do cool stuff with her luma desync’s and its so satisfying killing your opponent from afar. i also like rosa as a character in general. she is a hard character to learn though.
@rioluwu5921
Жыл бұрын
Hot take, Rosa should’ve never been in smash
@monkeman2959
Жыл бұрын
@@rioluwu5921cold take I'd bet most people agree
@nicholasmosteller6760
Жыл бұрын
Why do people dislike Rosa in smash?
@BUHDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Жыл бұрын
regalo did amazing at one major and never seen him again. he was cookn i wished he entered more
@TheDarkness348
Жыл бұрын
For another vid about why no one plays, I've got an idea for who: the Pits. The misconception as to why they're bad is because they lack killpower, but that's honestly not the case. In reality, the real reason is because they lack functional attacks(most egregiously, nair), have horrible air mobility(slow air speed and multiple, but low, jumps), a vulnerable straightforward up b, and an egregiously mismatched side B for an otherwise supposed to be nimble char. Honestly, for fixes, make his attacks function, first and foremost, but give him air speed, and replace his multiple jumps(which would be even better since he canonically can't fly) with a single bigger midair jump, and lastly, give him a different burst option side b that's weaker but quicker. Those changes would definitely turn him into an actual char, and a decent one at that. But one can only dream.
@lasercraft32
Жыл бұрын
I don't know what people mean about his aerials not functioning... Forward Air and Up Air (at least in my experience) do perfectly fine at actually hitting the opponent. He also has a lot more range than people give him credit for, and is surprisingly fast.
@eyyy2271
Жыл бұрын
When you play him enough, cracks and leaks begin to show glaringly
@orangeslash1667
Жыл бұрын
@@lasercraft32 Pit's multiple jumps and shield down B means that he's good at surviving.
@hambughrr8186
Жыл бұрын
IMO, Pit's NAir isn't even THAT disfunctional. Yes, its a bit small, but it is super rewarding on hit and 100% eclipses moves with similar problems, namely Belmonts' NAir and Banjo's NAir.
@sword_pro_8
Жыл бұрын
I personally think Dr. Mario is underated and not many people play him because its like Lucas and Ness, but he has pretty nifty combos and kill set ups
@underdrow5572
Жыл бұрын
I completely agree. I have a friend who is a menace with Dr. Mario. He prefers him over regular Mario
@kreeperkiller4423
Жыл бұрын
As much as I love Dr Mario, unfortunately he’s never gonna be top tier because of his horrible range and recoverery
@lasercraft32
Жыл бұрын
@@kreeperkiller4423 I understand the recovery issue, but I'm confused by the "horrible range" part... His hitboxes and attacks are the same size as Mario. Yet Mario is not low tier... how does he have horrible range? (Unless Mario has bad range too?) 😕 (Also... he doesn't need to be top tier, just not the lowest tier. He's underrated, not the literal best 🙂).
@yechanlee9325
Жыл бұрын
@@lasercraft32 Mario's one weakness is seen as his range but thats the thing it's his only "weakness". Not only does doc share that but he is slower, has a worse recovery, and his moves send at terrible angles which sometimes makes him worse than Mario at killing
@superguyrichard
Жыл бұрын
Agreed, but also I'm trying my best, I main him and try to make splashes when ever I can
@fco92DS
Жыл бұрын
I'll be waiting for your Lucas video. I think he has te potential to be a threat in the meta in the right hands, specially against Steve and maybe kazuya If you need more information about lucas you can ask to people in lucas discord :D
@elandbrebner1995
Жыл бұрын
Piranha plant is so underated. I was maining top tiers cause the seemed best for so long, until I got plant playing random with a friend, and fell in love with his trapping and edge guarding. Also dair up smash is the most satisfying kill confirm in the game, I love it.
@patricialock1862
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for more info on Pit/Dark Pit! I want to main them but I’m bad at the game so this was very helpful.
@luiegiii
Жыл бұрын
I wanted to main Robin but he really struggles against rushdown characters which was the meta for a while. Against campers, Robin may have a chance of doing well if that is the direction of the meta going forward.
@Sweeper918
Жыл бұрын
Best series on Ultimate! Thanks for all the content.
@zegodhand
Жыл бұрын
Lucas sleeper S tier
@danielferrieri7434
Жыл бұрын
Video Idea: Which Smash Ultimate Character had the Best Trailer?
@sharifbrown3567
Жыл бұрын
"Why Sephiroph had the best trailer"
@crowminer4609
Жыл бұрын
Lucas - I definitely agree with Wii Fit - I kinda disagree but I think they are fine. It’s just matchup problems Pit/Dark Pit - I 100% agree. I believe that they can be a threat. Robin - I understand when people say that he sucks. I think they are not high tier or top but a solid mid. It’s either you have everything or nothing. Their matchup chart is okay (kinda bad). Bowser Jr - Hmmm…I agree that they are underrated. I’m just not sure where to place him.
@PineapplePineapplePineapplePin
Жыл бұрын
I would put Banjo-Kazooie on this. Attention on the pair almost immediately died out because they don't have any absurd DLC gimmicks, but they've still got a lot of great on them. - They have an up close boxing game not too far from being on par with someone like Mario in terms of speed, with standouts being jab, ftilt, up and down smash -The 11th fastest dash speed in the game -Recovery which can freely be mixed up due to not putting into free fall, adding on to infinite recovery akin to Snake C4 -The same weight as R.O.B. and Snake -Two projectiles that lead into combos, both of which are also good fallbacks to spam if needed. -Some of the easiest to land 2-Framing tools in the game with Down Tilt and Down Smash, along with FSmash and Wonderwing being absurdly early killing 2-Frames. -Basically FREE recovery at least 5 times a stock if needed. -A killing back throw and a down throw that at high percents can lead into 50/50 kills -Dr. Mario's Forward Air that autocancels off a short hop -And the one that I think most people forget. Banjo-Kazooie is a swordie. In all moves but dash and up tilt, Kazooie has no hurtbox. I don't think Banjo-Kazooie is top tier, hell I don't know if even low high tier but I can't fathom people putting them in bottom 10 bottom 20.
@aronspiker72
Жыл бұрын
He does like literally no damage & lack any real combos and that infinite recovery thing has been proven to be impractical in actual matches both due to an opponent being able to interrupt you during the egg catch setups & the timing of everything being within like a 5 frame window for each step because you have to use down b at the right time, move to the exact right position to Z-Catch it without airdodging or using you double jump, and then use your double jump immediately to get blown up in such a way that you actually gain enough height with it. Doing it once offstage is somewhat reasonable, but any more than that in a row is prettymuch humanly unviable due to having less time to initially start the sequence of events
@codyholley
Жыл бұрын
The only redeeming move for banjo is wonderwing and you only get 5 of them.
@orangeslash1667
Жыл бұрын
@@codyholley Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense. In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well. Also Banjo's nair can sometimes damage characters on shield. One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.
@codyholley
Жыл бұрын
@@orangeslash1667 it doesn't really redeem him though.....
@orangeslash1667
Жыл бұрын
@@codyholley You're saying characters that have to be patient to win a match, is bad design????
@brightbyte5623
Жыл бұрын
yo the first 30s is the funniest stuff ive seen all week, love the guy but man its funny to see some good ol fashion gamer rage
@jacobhdz127
Жыл бұрын
Ok but that deep breathing at 6:41 was hella hype!!
@zandraxofnebulon
Жыл бұрын
can't wait for the wnop lucas ep, my favorite character in the game
@FBIAgentRC-
Жыл бұрын
When i saw the word underrated and see lucas and robin i smile greatly. More people need to try them.
@hambughrr8186
Жыл бұрын
I too, think both of those characters are underrated, but I can also identify another reason for their low usage that didn't get mentioned in this video: Underdogs Gaming. This channel is a collaboration between 4 KZitemrs known as Little Z, HopCat, Poppt1 and Director Cogger, all of whom have been pulling in lots of views for SmashTubers, thanks to the former three men having their own channels to draw in even more views. Lucas and Robin getting next to no love on Underdogs Gaming plays a subtle, but massive role in why people who are decently casual tend to avoid them, albeit for totally different reasons. Little Z used to play Lucas in Smash 4, but in Ultimate, they changed his combo routes by nerfing his Down Throw and changing how footstools work, both of which caused him to drop the character. As for Robin, he/she is the most neglected character on Underdogs Gaming, in fact, they only selected him/her ONCE outside of Random or silly challenge videos. To make things even worse, HopCat made a video ranking Smash characters based on how suitable they were for a content creator to main, and he outright said that he would've put Robin in the lowest tier if Female Robin didn't have a Belle Delphine costume.
@voratheexplorer6442
Жыл бұрын
I think they key to this is you have to believe your character is a good pick to pick a character and dedicate so much time to them. Mains of top tiers will be validated by the tier lists every time. Mains of bottom tiers on the other hand, will always think the tier lists don't give their character of choice enough respect. The fairly balanced roster means even the worst character has a shot against the top of the line if you have an idea of what you're doing. I think nearly every character has some representation, even if it's very minimal
@DSmith3279
Жыл бұрын
Kirby is definitely an underrated character. His combo game is really good, his damage and kill power are great, an impressive edgeguard ability, his small size mixed with his ability to hurt box shift and dodge most attacks makes him very difficult to hit, his recovery has lots of range and his copy abilities makes him even more versatile. Too bad his flaws are equally as prominent as his strengths... He's not High or Top Tier, but definitely not Low imo. Solid mid tier 👌
@trombonegamer14
Жыл бұрын
If Kirby isn't low tier, then there's like 5 characters in this game that are low tier, and at that point, that's just bottom tier and mid tier is low tier.
@TreebeardXIV
Жыл бұрын
Just zone, lol
@illford
Жыл бұрын
Tbf kirby is like Pit with worse flaws. And a bad projectile and command grab
@Spyder-Marth
Жыл бұрын
Very good video! I want to see a "Why nobody plays Marth" video. He's definitely not as underrated as the characters you listed, but he's VERY close (like, top 10 underrated). I already know why people don't want to play him (and, no it's not just 'inconsistent tippers'), but I seriously want to ramble on and on about it while staying on topic.
@hambughrr8186
Жыл бұрын
If Lucina broke the camel's back regarding Marth's popularity in Smash Ultimate, then Pyra and Mythra pissed on the camel's corpse and uploaded the video to Instagram.
@psyduck8025
Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a sequel to this in the future. Lucario, Banjo, Ridley, Simon, and Metaknight all fit in the underrated category for me.
@austin2594
Жыл бұрын
Agree with all except lucario and banjo, I’d swap them out for duck hunt
@trombonegamer14
Жыл бұрын
I mean I wouldn't say they are under-rated, everyone besides like Ganon and Mac are viable in this game. And they all have serious flaws, in a game with characters that have insane strengths and minimal flaws. In a game where Lucina, an essentially perfect character, is arguably not top ten, someone has to be low tier. Basically, it's all relative
@rioluwu5921
Жыл бұрын
Lucario? Really? The homie is OVERrated. It’s been an average of B+ tier or something, even reaching in the As in Sm4sh. I’m always surprised how high my boi ranks, considering how hard he is to play & win with sometimes. Though I guess the skill cap for him is incredibly high, with many unique combos that take full on days to practice and get consistently, if you play a lot
@austin2594
Жыл бұрын
@@rioluwu5921 just picked up lucario can confirm, If you don’t kill me before 100, then ur dead at 80
@infamouscha
Жыл бұрын
6:43 this was a smart move by Wii Fit Trainer
@amphicyon4359
Жыл бұрын
Apart from Megaman (who is finally starting to return to some of the results that he was always capable of), my pick for an underrated character is Toon Link. He is too quickly viewed as the awkward middle ground between Link and Young Link (or just a worse young link) when in fact he has a different gameplan and different strengths. Did you know Toon Link is faster than Young Link in the air and on the ground, has better frame data and range on most sword attacks, and is stronger on stray hits, with more reliable and consistent kill confirms. Problem is that his gameplan and strengths is a lot of running and camping while chucking bombs, and his combos aren't flashy so he isn't popular in the West. Despite all that, I would argue that Toon Link is the Zelda character with the most results, because there are 3-4 Japanese Toon Links (Sigma, Lvl 1, Manzoku) that consistenly get Top 16's, Top 8 and even wins over there, he just has nobody doing that in the West (similar to hero but on a bigger scale actually)
@toadboy4
Жыл бұрын
I use like all the Fire Emblem characters, and I do agree on Robin for sure
@pranavmahendran5982
Жыл бұрын
I would put Incineroar on this. While he is a much more polarized Ganondorf, he has unusually good frame data for a heavy, while Revenge gives him unparalleled kill power. While he is slow, the ever-present threat of Alolan Whip can deter low approaches, while his up-air can do a ton to opponents trying to approach to the air. His downtilt can two-frame, and his recovery is actually OK if you know how to use it well.
@ManOfUnknownWorth
Жыл бұрын
The Radiant Dawn basecamp music works pretty well for a background filler (which it was obviously designed to do.)
@kaiserzilla89
Жыл бұрын
I like to said that most heavies are underrated as they are mostly seen as combo food and yet they have shown how good they are like Ridley, k Rool, donkey Kong heavies that are considered lower tier have shown to be really good
@TheFlashyLucario
Жыл бұрын
Jr can be such a dangerous character if wielded by the right player, our local scene has a great Jr player (Young Eevey), and he made me realize how great the character is
@user-lq4ct6dr5m
Жыл бұрын
Wait Young Eevey is in your locals ?! Is he still playing ? His JR's neutral game is among the best of all the JRs
@TheFlashyLucario
Жыл бұрын
@@user-lq4ct6dr5m yep he’s still playing, just attending less big tournaments, but he is able to kinda consistently beat Zemmol (rated 5th on the Dutch PR), so he’s still very good
@stortsy8873
11 ай бұрын
Banjo. Heavy, side b to get back to ledge, grenade for damage + combos into WW. Eggs can really trip people up if your smooth with them.
@MugenAeternum
Жыл бұрын
6:44 I’d be LIVID if i was that PacMan player 😂
@SolidBren
Жыл бұрын
Being lowtier or "bad" doesn't necessarily mean they can't do well. These characters are powerful and will kill people, but there are characters in the roster that simply do their jobs better. Plenty of other fighting games have this going on too, where some characters are arguably mid from an effectiveness standpoint, but others in the roster just can access their win condition more easily and/or have more favorable matchup spreads. Thus actually pretty good characters just end up near or at the bottom, even though they can work quite well. Everyone you mentioned I agree are quite underrated. However I think Robin's issues do hold them back greatly, despite having some powerful things like Levin sword and Thoron. They are an objectively worse version of their Sm4sh iteration and just feel very slow and overdesigned with resource limitation. With already being kinda botched on release they only got power crept even harder by DLC. While the others are actually kinda underrated, Robin is just plain bad. But their best players know how to use them well.
@Flash33c
Жыл бұрын
A char I've always liked playing is Mii Gunner. While the Miis do suffer from what Pokemon calls "4 moveslot syndrome" given the right combination as well as good knowledge of the combos and tricks you can do with them they can be a pain to fight. Sure they can be slow at times & they do rely on smash attacks to kill more often than not but they're good at getting to the point where an unprepared or careless foe can go down relatively quickly. They're also good at racking up damage too such as d-throw to up-air (up throw-up air works too but I find the former more consistent), Up air in general (which can also kill) or Flame Pillar into Charge Blast (which can also kill at a reasonable %), and Cannon Jump Kick while not having good horizontal movement & having decent vertical movement when timed right can meteor smash foes to their doom, with sair helping with vertical movement.
@XEPHOURIA
Жыл бұрын
So I know he's talked about a lot, but I think, as a Sora main, he's even more underrated than people think. Alone, the idj Nair and fair loops are enough to put him in high a or s tier, because, while not always consistent, are waayyyyyyyy easier to do then, like, a wobble, and you can still get pretty easy infinite and confirms. Into fsmash, upsmash, idj upair, upb, bair, and I think at the highest level of play that shouldn't matter. It took me a week to be able to use them in games (1 to 2 to 3 loops per session). And my record is 18 loops in training mode. Each loop does like 15%, too, which, idk, it's a lot. I think just having the option is amazing BUT! He also has insane kill power from some stray hits. Bair starts killing normally at like 100-ish (stage dependent), upair about the same, maybe 120-ish? Then, his hitboxes linger for SOOOOOO LOOOOONG! And they aren't like Ike Nair big but they're also pretty quick and have a lot of hitstun -- and lead to the noooops!!! Up b kills REEEEALLY easily, too, and honestly people just play him too aggressively. He's best as a bait-punish character. You wait for them to attack -- maybe bait one -- and punish them with either a few good hits, or an insane-ass combo and leads them to 1 stray away from death. NOT ONLY THAT THOUGH! His fire -- comes out way too fast and combos, it's crazy. Ice, also, it freezes, does lots of shield damage, SHIELD POKES like 40% of the time, FREEZES, and is satisfying, it's so good. Also, using the spell is good for b-reversing, wave bouncing, AND stalling. Which, he doesn't use the movement a ton cuz he's not a movement character but it's good to have. And thundaga, while not great in neutral, can effortlessly end a stock in advantage, and is like a get out of jail free card in disadvantage -- which only adds to his insanely good recovery, since he can go anywhere just with side b and upb alone, not counting is double jump. He doesn't have good speed, but he has AMAZING movement when you learn it, he's very drifty in the air which can suck, but it also feels good when you learn it and can catch people off guard, especially when combined with stalling, and like, tomahawk grabs, false shield pressure. Speaking of shield pressure -- it sucks, but it's also good. From below platform, on some characters, if spaces right, uptilt pokes on a full shield. You can also use movement and upair to space a really nice bit of pressure and leaves him effectively unpunishable, and blizzard which melts through shields. Also, side b and lockon have some really wacky interactions when near the blast zones, so sometimes you can do some crazy shit with reversals or suicide kills. And his only weakness is some lag on a lot of his moves (even though you autocancel half the time), and him being light. Very light, but still reeeeally good. I don't think he deserves to be pushed off, and like you said in your why no one plays about him, he just needs time. I think he can be the only character besides Luigi that has consistent, good, practical 0-deaths.
@trentdm120
Жыл бұрын
Those Zomba comments at the beginning, for someone who isn't on twitter, were an amazing experience.
@themidnightotaku22
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I often main some of these underrated characters. Including the ones Vars didn’t mention in the video.
@UltimatViolet
7 ай бұрын
The thing with Lucas that annoys me is how many people compare him to Ness as if they're clones despite their wildly different movesets. Also, one thing Lucas has that you didnt mention are his surprisingly large disjoints, especially on moves like Fair and Ftilt (both of which are extraordinarily broken).
@kingkirby1394
Жыл бұрын
As a Jr. Main who causes hell for my friends in arenas (albeit the online meta sucks cuz of the crappy netcode) it feels nice to hear the turtle boi get his respect because his tool kit and semi rushdown playstyle is very fun and can be rewarding ^__^
@wailmoregd140
Жыл бұрын
One character that didn’t appear here that I think really should’ve is Link. Insane combos that carry across the stage into death is scary enough, but he also has a ludicrous number of setups for traps and kill confirms, oppressive zoning between his 3 different projectiles (4 if Link is at 0%), and on top of that his N-Air is one of the best close-quarters tools in the game due to its combination of speed, safety, and huge hitbox, it even anti-zones because it just trucks through most projectiles. He doesn’t have a particularly great number of weaknesses either which is what holds back other characters with 0-death combos like Ice Climbers and Luigi. I think he’s got the potential to be on par with Kazuya/R.O.B, which I think are top 10. If a player with top level fundies put the time into mastering Link, he’d be terrifying
@lucg4005
Жыл бұрын
Really? I thought most people consider him high tier? His bomb from the first year was found to be an insane item to use, and link nair has been known to be amazing for a while. I’m pretty sure nobody thinks link is underrated,, most probably underate toon link as he’s seen as the worst link. Even then toon link ain’t that bad.
@JonnyJayKhan
Жыл бұрын
Hard agree the fact that Link has no top representation is wild
@kingdedede4856
Жыл бұрын
It’s definitely time for VARS to cover incineroar soon. No one except skyjay plans him and he’s severely underrated.
@illford
Жыл бұрын
Mystery Sol. Tho hes a rivals player now
@mtvgamer2479
11 ай бұрын
”with the soul exception Esam” love that
@Delzethin
Жыл бұрын
I think a big reason why Robin gets so overlooked is because there's so much misinformation and mistaken assumptions about the character. People find out about the run speed (2nd slowest in the game!?) and assume everything the character does must be unviably slow. They hear about weapon durability and assume everything must run out fast and take forever to come back to the point of crippling the character (actually only 10 seconds at most for the Levin Sword to regenerate, 12 for Thunder and Fire tomes, and a mere 6 for Elwind). This leads to Robin's weak points being overblown and their actual strengths being overlooked by nearly everyone who hasn't seen a competent one in action. Whole lot of the community's so dead set in assuming all Robin can do is run away slowly and spam projectiles until they run out that they completely overlook a lot of the stuff you brought up, and then some! Robin's air speed is smack dab in the exact center of the roster, and when combined with one of the earliest B-reverse cancels in the game (can bail out of a Thunder charge after just 7 frames), it makes their air movement really tricky. Robin can do swordfighter things because their Levin aerials actually have a bit more range than Marth and Lucina on average...except for Levin nair, which not only outranges every other nair in the game save Mega Man's, it outranges almost every _forward or back air_ in the game while still being fast for a sword aerial at Frame 7. Even Arcfire gets misunderstood--despite how it looks, it's actually not a zoning tool at all! It's a trapping move, and Robin can zone just fine with swordplay and Thunder spells. And that's not even getting into the high damaging safe-on-shield anti-rushdown cluster of pain that is Arcthunder. It's really nice to see another Smash KZitemr notice these things that so many other players don't give the time of day.
@christopherrodriguez3646
Жыл бұрын
Can we talk about that wii fit getting two clutch time outs on the pac?
@ribbledude
Жыл бұрын
One of my favorite parts of Fridays: A new Vars video!
@Kuramiteru
Жыл бұрын
The Fire emblem music melts my brain and makes me cry. Too nostalgic, can't focus.
@brazluck5463
Жыл бұрын
Kinda interesting how I used to play a lot of these characters a ton in sm4sh. I still occasionally play them today, but maybe I’ll try picking them up again now
@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva
Жыл бұрын
I'm 100% biased but I think Banjo-Kazooie is underrated simply due to them not really being "rated" by anyone. People have totally written them off as bad despite being a diverse and competent bag of tricks comparable to the Pits. The whole time there were major patches for the game I was hoping they would get the tiny speed or power buff that would make the duo actually stand out for their other strengths. Wonderwing simply existing is a unique psychological tool even if you don't use it often, the versatility of their egg moves combine Mega Man lemons with Dr. Mario pills, and they have a delayable Up-B with a gimpable drop projectile. I honestly think Banjo would be a great pocket character for someone who mains a more polarized character like Pikachu or Bowser.
@aronspiker72
Жыл бұрын
Their kit doesn't really synergize well with itself and the lack of combos alongside the actually worst damage output in the game not counting characters that get nerfed by mechanics unique to them. He seems like he would a an all a rounder but his stat & moves are just very under tuned similar to Piranha plant but he doesn't have a move that plays the game for him unlike several other low tiers so he can really do be successful if he just camps the whole game because most characters just beat him by having better numbers in a direct fight
@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva
Жыл бұрын
@@aronspiker72 What constitutes "worst damage output in the game" because it's been literal years since I saw a Banjo in a competitive live event and I don't have much issue getting to and killing around 110% consistently online.
@nezarredondo6101
Жыл бұрын
Another underrated character is Mii brawler People sleep on it just because its a mii, but this character is like Fox or better: -a strong juggle game. -a safe edgeguard option -All of his up specials are good kill options -a Nair which is as good as Link's (combo starter, escape option and sometimes a kill move) Like, some players like FirethePyro or Esam are exploring his potential, while Rizeasu Won a Major with him
@lasercraft32
Жыл бұрын
Brawler is nightmarishly fast, and really really strong. I'm honestly surprised nobody uses them, they feel like Fox on steroids.
@nezarredondo6101
Жыл бұрын
@@lasercraft32 I think that's because of the stigma it has because it's a mii. Either it's hated because it's classified as broken, because of the surprise factor (you'll never know what moveset it has), or because "mIis R n0t r3al cHarAktherz!"
@lasercraft32
Жыл бұрын
@@nezarredondo6101 Yeah probably... People have all sorts of stupid stigmas in Smash.
@BigBossMan538
6 ай бұрын
Delzethin would be glad to hear you sing Robin’s praises
@echospace7347
Жыл бұрын
10:52 such a great sentence
@sugarybomber
Жыл бұрын
Bowser Jr getting the respect he's gets My boi is my main
@snper1492
Жыл бұрын
Bowser jr main here. thanks for this video absolute masterpiece Gotta add something to this tho: 12:51 a lot of the time after doing spinout you can end up offstage or slide across like half the stage so honestly I don't get punished for this much
@spartanpiplup6229
Жыл бұрын
I see Robin as the heads to ikes tails, in that they're both hyper effective at what they do, but Robin is more complex while ike is basic tools Pizza vs toast basically
@Za_Phantom
Жыл бұрын
I was a Jr. main all four years of S4, then I dropped him when Joker came out. Like 2 days ago my friends were egging me on to play Jr. again and now you drop this video. I dunno if it's a sign from God or a prank.
@hambughrr8186
Жыл бұрын
The true Galaxy Brain move is to play both of them. Now, you can get carried by matchup inexperience AND Arsene!
@alexanderharrison7421
Жыл бұрын
Rare Robin W We did it boys we met our Mention of the Month quota
@tristandahn2284
Жыл бұрын
As a bowser jr main, this video is very accurate. I originally picked him up as a joke, due to my friends calling me a "Tier Whore" (Guy who only plays broken characters) So to spite them I started maining some of the least used characters in the game, including: K rool, Incineroar, Mii Brawler, Piranha Plant, and of course, Bowser Jr. So you can imagine my shock when I realized that playing these "Worse" characters not only yielded better results for me, but I also found myself enjoying them more then when I played the dlc. In fact, my favorite characters in the game are Piranha Plant for his interesting strengths and horrible weaknesses, and Bowser Jr. with his great moves and genuine sick combos. Who knew it would be so satisfying to spam neutral special and up b kill combos...
@tristandahn2284
Жыл бұрын
20XX: Everyone mains Bowser Jr. in smash ultimate.
@keeeot
Жыл бұрын
I’ve always though Lucas has a higher skill ceiling than Ness, but nobody has made it there yet
@dripfoe_3307
Жыл бұрын
As a Pit main, I can say Pit almost has no disadvantage lol. Guardian orditers are broken, no pun intended. It's like Steve blocks that reflect projectiles but can be pulled out at any given time if they're not broken in which you have to wait a few seconds. Pits are the only characters that can block in mid air. Whenever I'm in disadvantage and I see someone trying to continue their assault, only to be blocked by my down B then immediately punish with my own aerials, I know it's frustrating for my opponent. Also hitting below Pit during his down B is easily said then done especially if you b reverse it. And breaking down B upclose puts you in disadvantage because pit acts faster out of broken orditers then just canceling it which has to be an overlook of the devs, there's no way it isn't.
@lasercraft32
Жыл бұрын
Its funny because the intended way to counter orbiters is to hit them from above or below... but the hitbox is still big enough to cover that XD
@dripfoe_3307
Жыл бұрын
@@lasercraft32 Yeah, like I said, easier said than done. Pit being in disadvantage is a choice lol.
@golraggolnaz9575
Жыл бұрын
I personally believe that villager is super underrated in high level and even casual play. As an ex villager main I think he actually has a lot of stuff that can be really good aka tree, bowling ball and Lloyd rocket. He has a lot of stuff that has yet to be utilised. He was quite prominent in smash 4 but besides by kept he is pretty hidden and underrated.
@armorbearer9702
Жыл бұрын
Robin appears to have an insanely high skill gap. There are so many factors to into consideration. You would need to be a patient genius to use him correctly.
@thatclassysheep1244
Жыл бұрын
I love bowser jr because no one expects me to be good but I always seem to pleasantly surprise people. I also love the koopalings because they don’t have any magic powers or anything and their entire thing is that they build their own machines and use their intellect to win, while still being fun, and a bit stupid at times.
@freddiesimmons1394
Жыл бұрын
5:44 Wow sinji just went full re..you know what i mean
@vla1ne
Жыл бұрын
As a robin main, the main issue (mine at least) is that some of the best moves in his arsenal got nerfed coming into ultimate despite there being 0 need to do so. Levin sword (aka smash attacks and any decent air move) now takes 10 seconds to charge upon match start. Why? Robin literally starts the round in disadvantage thanks to that. Elthunder now holds for (what feels like) less than a second, where it used to be a near 2 second hold. Why? Robin has incredibly slow ground game, and elthunder used to help make up for that in the same way arcfire did, by trapping the opponent for long enough to actually approach them yourself. Robin has much of the swordie kit, but he is fundamentally a trapper type character, nerfing one of his traps (and thoron is _still_ garbage compared to it) means robin has less tools to give opponents pause, and yet those tools still cost resources. These kinds of flaws (among other minor, but additive flaws) are extremely simple, very easy to fix, and would launch robin into higher tiers near instantly, yet he got virtually nothing past the basic arcfire buff (which was needed, but nowhere near as neccecary)
@fco92DS
Жыл бұрын
Not a robin main but i know robin was coded very poorly (specially in his neutral B. Just gonna say if Rosa use her down B against thoron instead of absorbing it that will give her a full-screen attack ._.)
@vla1ne
Жыл бұрын
@@fco92DS have a friend who uses rosalina. i have seen that... interaction. for a character with disposable moves, they really made his full charge beam worse than samus, his pk fire is worse than ness, his nosferatu the worst command grab in the game with only 3 uses, and his elwind, while good, is still limited, so why is the spike window so damn small. i will never stop using him, but i really wish somebody at Nintendo cared enough to make him better overall.
@roberthorn9915
Жыл бұрын
Ok I secondary Bowser Jr and he legitimately is a good character side b is a good neutral tool, neutral special decent on ledge, down b is good, a jab that kill, good advantage stat and so much more
@CorthosFellrin
Жыл бұрын
Pit/Dark Pit only being average in every area hurts him a lot more than you think. You can have great understanding of the game and even know the cool tricks he can do like drag Nair making people get on the ground if they jump too much and confirming smash attacks with falling Fair and Nair and nothing would matter. The top tier characters do too much nonsense in the game for you to fight back. Joker/Aegis can press buttons and you won't be fast enough to punish unless you jab. People with longer swords will beat you just because they have more range. John Tekken himself will ruin you. Removing the DLC characters and he still has issues, just not as many. You put so much effort into the game only for it to give you jank, people falling out of Nair if they are slender, Side B not giving armor if they hit you from under, and Up smash will not connect all the hits sometimes. Smash 4 pit was a worse time tbh, but I loved doing Jab 1 mix-ups. You could Jab 1 into grab, dsmash, or just do the whole 3 hit. If Ult kept that in for him it would have been great for him. Ult Pit has D. Throw into drag down Nair into grab or if you know they are going to jump you can upsmash... maybe uptilt, you can D. Tilt as well to do another Drag down NAir. Nair is weird about how it works on that front so don't relay on it. If they are over the % for the Dair, up smash kill combo then you can fast fall Uair. I found myself in Smash 4 and I used it a lot then, but Ult not so much. And yeah if you time things right Down B and Shield can make you turtle really well. In no way do I think it's broken. You might be + when it breaks but some characters can still hit buttons. While it is 100% true Pit/Dark Pit are not played to the fullest, I don't think there is much higher he can go. They can sniff glue all day with some of those characters and still win. Keep in mind I like the character. If you make the video on this character you might want to mention the tech I talked about. Not too many know about it or give up on them too easy. Edit: B Reversing the Orbiters is great too btw not many do this.
@juanrodriguez9971
Жыл бұрын
I'm happy and sad for seeing 3 of my 5 favorite characters on the top (Lucas, Wii fit, and Bowser Jr) since I'm more into the unusual characters, u expected to see Duck Hunt in since they are a so misunderstood character, everyone thinks Duck Hunt is justa bad zoner, but their play style is that of a trapper, Duck Hunt can have as much stage control as Snake (or at least it used to be like that in Sm4sh) because of the special bombs they have, and is so fun to play specially on 4 players mode since nobody sees where is that bomb coming from, and thanks to that bomb is so easy to escape from combos even if you hurt yourself, you hurt the opponent even more, the only problem being the kill power which is in the smash attacks, which is hard to connect due to frame data and range, I swear it always feels like up smash has more range than what it actually has. My 5th favorite character is ridley, which I understand why wouldn't make it into the list, is a clear low tier even tho I manage to connect his down multiple times and I want it to be buffed so it can directly kill when over 100%.
@johanmeintjes9510
Жыл бұрын
How good pit (not dark pit) is is 100% determined by how good you can use arrow, from gimps to long range pressure and being a not true combo finisher after nair. If you can hit the snipes you can get the damage
@QwertYuiop-yt3uh
Жыл бұрын
I'd add mewtwo and metaknight personally
@a.wyattmann4370
Жыл бұрын
That missed fist bump in the Bowser Jr. clip was heartbreaking
@marshalmiller1323
Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a list of least to most played characters
@alberthuang8586
Жыл бұрын
12:57 man was left hanging
@AParticularlyPointySoldier
7 ай бұрын
Rip to that fox player 12:57
@deuces652
Жыл бұрын
As a Lucas and robin main you can probably guess how happy this vid made me!
@aka_Ingmar
Жыл бұрын
Love the RD music used for this video
@bladesapprentice4096
Жыл бұрын
RD?
@aka_Ingmar
Жыл бұрын
@@bladesapprentice4096 radiant dawn
@absolanimations9276
Жыл бұрын
throw Rosa on this list, as well.. literally matchup check: the character
@pausegamers7320
Жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, totally get the Bowser Jr. I play Roy (the Koopaling) for funzies here and there, and it blows me away how versatile and good he is. Obviously I don't play him optimally and am normally playing folks that have no clue about a bunch of his tricks, but I do surprisingly well with him and always have a fun time playing him.
@joshuawilliams8428
Жыл бұрын
I love watching smash more when characters are more random like pit vs mr Mario. Than repetitive like rob vs hero
@natanplayz1236
Жыл бұрын
Bro this is gold hope u get big
@NM_Mattuz
Жыл бұрын
I have been playing so much robin ever since playing awakening on Citra
@Patrick-bn5rp
Жыл бұрын
My main problem with Robin is that his tilts are useless. They're fast, but have no follow-ups or tech chase setups, and aren't safe on block.
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