You confirmed that I made the right choice buying a maxed out M1M instead of an M3. Great video.
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
Nice 👍
@TonyCrenshawsLatte
10 ай бұрын
Every Mac-using photographer and videographer needs to have subbed to Art's channel.
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@agiverreviga4592
10 ай бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to do this! I think Topaz apps in general are not the best when it comes to hardware optimization, especially on Mac. They really need to improve it, I was blown away when my 3070 was much faster in Video AI than the M2 Max with 64GB Ram.
@joyKafka
10 ай бұрын
any comparison if you don't mind sharing? I am using the M2Max with 64GB RAM and considering whether or not and which model to upgrade to.
@agiverreviga4592
10 ай бұрын
@@joyKafka frankly I returned the laptop months ago, but again, my 3070 PC was faster. If a video (dunno the settings) took 15 min on my PC, it would take maybe 25 on the Macbook. In general if you're going to use the laptop for AI stuff, I think you're better off with Nvidia stuff (not that you can't with the macbook, but most apps I found are better optimized for Nvidia Cuda and Tensor cores)
@joyKafka
10 ай бұрын
@@agiverreviga4592 Thank you. The advantage using M3Max for AI in my case could be the 96GB or 128GB unified RAM for GPU, plus its neural engine. For media and video editing, I enjoy the current dual and multiple monitor environment, mobility plus the well built ecology. I am thinking to upgrade to 14/30/96 mainly because it seems the 64GB RAM is already a constraint when the RAM is divided among wired, compressed, cache, app and GPU demands. Take Davinci resolve for example, the max RAM DR would use is 48 GB out of the 64GB RAM (GPU usage would be only a portion of it), and usually it would be around 20ish GB since a max of 32 GB is reserved for Fusion (VFX effects) cache. Sadly there is no 14/30/128 option. The other reason is the neural engine and 45% more transistors. This neural engine seems to make M3Max a better machine than MS M2Ultra.
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
This would be an interesting test to do on the Razer Blade 18 that I have.... hmmm... thinking....
@innnews6299
10 ай бұрын
Finally the video I have been waiting for. Thank you, Art🎉
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
You are so welcome!
@zdmsr
10 ай бұрын
Thanks Art. I pulled the trigger on a M3 Pro with 36gb RAM. Seems to be the best balance in price, power, and battery life.
@TheGreyWolf1
10 ай бұрын
Watched every Video from Art on M3 Chips. Read every single Comment left. Seems like the choices easily are 2-1 from people here buying the Macbook Pro M3 Max Base Model
@zdmsr
10 ай бұрын
@@TheGreyWolf1yep can’t go wrong with the M3 Max, it’s the best bang for the buck in terms of power. I didn’t need that extra power and the premium wasn’t worth it for my usecase
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
Great choice with M3 Pro and 36GB. And thank you @JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls
@AnneJansen-deVries
10 ай бұрын
Good evening from the Netherlands. Thanks again for the clear and good explanation. I followed your advice last week and ordered the M3pro base model. With an upgrade of ram and SSD, as you explained in a couple of other video's. Next week it will be delivered and I'm curious to see the difference with the current i9 MacBook. Thanks!
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
For me it was a huge leap, hope that it is for you as well
@cactusc2612
9 ай бұрын
Seeing any differences?
@kplau79
10 ай бұрын
These tests you are doing are really insightful! Thanks Art!
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
My pleasure!
@scottgriz
8 ай бұрын
That’s was fantastic. A big help in deciding what system I should go with. I use Gigapixel daily in my workflow.
@ArtIsRight
7 ай бұрын
awesome
@BlendlogicTech
10 ай бұрын
This guy does the most! FYI Art - you have a rendering issue with your placeholder drop - idk if you care/want to reupload -- still great video!
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
I know, I saw that after the video launched. However, I am choosing not to replace it to mess up with the stats.
@michaelmanus7765
10 ай бұрын
I very much appreciate all your videos and was pleasantly surprised to see this one in the mix. I’ll get in line here to request you do a similar video with Affinity Photo as it is gaining quite a following (and yes I use it along with Topaz for specific work on an M1 Studio Max 64/1. I venture to a couple of forums elsewhere and have linked your vids at time as they are practical and useful for both pro and hobbyists.
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@EladBarness
10 ай бұрын
Love how analytical your work is! Thank you
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
I appreciate that!
@joyKafka
10 ай бұрын
Excellent job on the AI tests. Thank you again for all the hard work and detailed explanation. In terms of RAM requirement for AI and machine learning, take llama 2 70-billion-parameter models for example, it would need probably 40ish GB RAM to load, and my M2 Max with 64GB cannot load it at all. For deep learning with 4K images, it would require about 160GB RAM for the GPU for a batch size of 16, or 40GB RAM for a batch size of 4. Of course when we are running the AI Denoise or AI sharpen, we are not training the machine to build the model. Instead we are running the already trained model with minimum parameters. That's perhaps why RAM is no issue here. Maybe 8-12 GB Ram is enough. And in this case, I wonder the performance may actually depend more on the whole architecture, the better design for neural engine, or perhaps the number of transistors, since there's no apparent bottleneck here. In terms of video requirement, for me a video project size can easily go up to 1TB (in ProRes or RAW), and much more when all caches and proxies included. The point to bring the storage size in is I wonder the RAM is already occupied by a lot of other things when processing large and many files, such as app, wired, compressed, cached memory and the memory allocated for GPU. This doesn't count the multi-cam scenarios in yet. But again if the project size is small, the timeline is short, the video resolution is 4K or below, and only one effect is used, perhaps RAM is not critical any more when it reaches a certain minimum. If we translate the four-second performance of AI denoise/sharpen on the 36MP still image to 1 second per frame for a 4K video (8MP/frame). That is actually, very, slow. Understandably what you've done is the best strategy to make all other things equal when performing the test and what you've shown here tell us a lot of things. As much as the tests show that RAM is not so much relevant, I fear in real life application, it is still important. Thank you very much again.
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
I hear you but that is talking about a different model and tasks all together.
@joyKafka
10 ай бұрын
@@ArtIsRightthe new dynamic caching is said to be able to allocate the memory more efficiently in a way that the 64GB ram could be as good as 96GB ram with the traditional caching method that will usually generate a lot of wasted cache. This might be the reason why you found the speed is not in proportion to the size of RAM.
@ArtIsRight
9 ай бұрын
most people misunderstood this, dynamic caching is for GPU memory allocation only, not CPU or NPU. and Topaz software never does well. Code base is antiquated
@joyKafka
9 ай бұрын
@@ArtIsRight Good to know. Thank you for the input. This is why Apple's unified RAM becomes even more valuable with this dynamic caching technology. Take RTX 6000 Ada with 48 GB Ram for example, it costs about USD 10,000, almost twice the price of MS M2Ultra with 192 GB RAM. With the new dynamic caching, it could be equivalent to 256GB RAM or more, the RAM the size of an SSD. 256GB RAM in a dedicated graphic card is not something anyone could afford but Apple makes it possible. Admittedly it would still be half the speed of the RTX 6000 at its best but this size of RAM could do many things the 48GB RTX 6000 can't do at all, say parameters beyond 70b. This really makes a lot of things (like dreams) possible for many people. Understandably it's still not for everyone, but I am really into it.
@TheBrianDotson
10 ай бұрын
Art is Right is among the best and most thorough source for this genre of tech. Consistent, and tone make a huge difference. Thank you Art for your reviews and time spent testing.
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
You're Welcome!
@RaymondKPhotoVideography
10 ай бұрын
Again great and informative! Would love to see you do a test with Neat Video denoising, (the performance check/test of the software) as the simple m2 specs bump didn't result into a big difference. The software is now updated for M3/M3P/M3M, and it might end up being a much bigger jump now. ...but I haven't seen anyone do any tests as of yet. No idea if this is something you could test, but would appreciate if you could.. Either way, thanks for making all these videos for us contend creators.
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
You're Welcome!
@Elfig2011
10 ай бұрын
Big thanks for testing!
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
You bet!
@hautehussey
10 ай бұрын
For video AI, the number of processes is just the number of videos it will work on at a time, so it doesn’t really have a bearing on your test unless your test involves processing multiple exports.
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
Good to know, thank you.
@hubby_medical5454
10 ай бұрын
My dude said consider upgrading from m1 or m2….. I work in tech. If you have an m1 or m2 even base with 16/32 gb of ram. Do not upgrade. Waste of money. Just wait 2/3 more years. If you have intel, upgrade now to any m3 with 16/32 gb of ram.
@PKperformanceEU
10 ай бұрын
BS. M1/M2 Vanilla are really lagging behind. M1max and upwards, yes don't upgrade yet unless you get any of the m3max
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
ditto to @PKperformanceEU and I do tech and have a computer engineering background.
@PKperformanceEU
10 ай бұрын
@@ArtIsRight i didn't question that. I myself am CS student and from what I see, even the old m1max is massively faster than a vanilla m2, using various of my hand written benchmarks. Both ST and MT as well as SIMDified benchmarks
@ArtIsRight
9 ай бұрын
@PKperformanceEU should have been clearer, that was a 2 part answer, one is to ditto you and the second is a reply to the OG comment. I'll be more clear next time. never thought you doubt me :)
@Joshuadawg03
10 ай бұрын
You deserve 500k subs
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
Thank You!
@norfolknonsense7578
9 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, that saved me from upgrading.
@ArtIsRight
9 ай бұрын
You are welcome!
@Nathansmithphotography
7 ай бұрын
I have to say after watching this video that I’m feeling much much better about getting the M1 max with 64 GB of memory over just an M1 with 16 gigs of memory. in most cases at least here and as a photographer, it’s performance is right in there with the M2 and even M3 mid range models, and I saved a bunch of money. Mine does have a one terabyte SSD versus a 2 TB but I would assume that has absolutely nothing to do with performance unless the drive was extremely full?
@ArtIsRight
7 ай бұрын
About SSD not so much, if at all and overall, well said
@NathanSmithphoto
7 ай бұрын
I just received an email response from Topaz when asking about upgrades and I was told Topaz is NOT going to update Sharpener or Denoise anymore! They are only keeping Photo Ai and Gigapixel going forward. A bit disappointed as I found these two programs often did a bit better job than Photo Ai for their respective tasks.
@ArtIsRight
7 ай бұрын
Wow, thank you for the heads up. This is good information. It looks like I have to figure out what is next in my topaz test; either that or just do giga and lump it with the rest of my standard review/test :)
@Nathansmithphotography
7 ай бұрын
Well, I went to their webpage last night and I noticed that it still lists Sharpener and Denoise on their product page, but there’s a label on each one that says “now in photo AI”
@ArtIsRight
7 ай бұрын
👍🏼
@dantecorbett2221
10 ай бұрын
Amazing test!! Topaz is a heavy boi!
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
Thank You!
@adrianhepker311
5 ай бұрын
Video Ai tends to make the m1 ultra get very hot wonder how much wear and tear it’s causing to the cpu… will be interesting to see how next years M4 Max performs
@ArtIsRight
5 ай бұрын
nil
@innnews6299
9 ай бұрын
Thank you, Art, as always, for your most insightful analysis and recommendations. I don’t live in the US so Mac prices are higher and there is no refurbished program here. So for older Macs, they will be 2nd hand ones with few years of use. Question: If I want to buy a new MBP now (coming from 2017 Intel i5 MBP 13” with 8GB Ram, 512GB SSD) at around $2,000 price point, which M SoC should I get? Spec? Especially if my focus is Topaz Video AI and video editing?
@ArtIsRight
9 ай бұрын
probably M2 Gen, or if you can get the Pro / Max in M1 that would be great as well.
@NavinWon
10 ай бұрын
Please tell me the length of video source used in topaz video AI?? 🙏
@PawFromTheBroons
10 ай бұрын
That was an information gap, really. How close it is to real time...
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
I mentioned in the Video AI intro 4min 30 sec video
@NavinWon
10 ай бұрын
@@ArtIsRightSorry I wasn't listening to that part but focused on the presentation... 😅
@ArtIsRight
9 ай бұрын
all good
@ThePelicanPhotographer
6 күн бұрын
Hi , thanks for the review , i have a macbook air m3 8gb ram , how will perform photo upscaling and sharpening with topaz? Topaz said it should work but i need to understand if its actually going to work or just crash. I do 24mp nikon z6iiii photography i am not a professional, thanks for your advice
@ArtIsRight
3 күн бұрын
It will work just slower. I don't reccommend any photographer pro or non pro get a machine less than 16GB RAM
@tiree2231
9 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot Art. I understand 64 GB is a good choice. The Mac Studio is not available with m3 Max at the moment and might be more expensive with all possible cores. Therefore Studio M1 or M2 is my question: M2max 64/1 or M1ultra 64/1 Same price at the moment
@ArtIsRight
9 ай бұрын
Ultra all the way. Max comes somewhat close but for the most part falls short
@tiree2231
9 ай бұрын
Cheers Also still go for M1ultra? No issues with codecs on the old one?
@rodrigomalutta
10 ай бұрын
Could you please do a 18 vs 36GB RAM base M3 PRO?
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
😀
@MrPoliarinis
10 ай бұрын
The more I watch those comparisons, the more I'm inclined to wait for the M4, or simply leave it as is and see what Snapdragon has to offer.
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
I want to see how that one does
@all-exists
4 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@ArtIsRight
4 ай бұрын
Welcome!
@ingriqi2343
6 ай бұрын
Is MBP M3 Pro base model with 512GB storage is enough for TopazLa? Or I have to upgrade to 1TB storage? Actually what make me wanna buy MBP M3 Pro is because I want to run well the TopazLab softwares, Blender, Adobe softwares, and DaVinci Resolve software.
@ArtIsRight
6 ай бұрын
faster with the M3 Pro, 512GB is fine depending on how you store your files.
@bladerealm124
10 ай бұрын
Have you tested fan noise and throttling on the 14" 14/30 and 14" 16/40?
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
I don't have those in the studio. If you want performance get 16, portability get 14
@ricnurcis
6 ай бұрын
i have m3 base model, the video ai program run good but when I start export Mac start very high sound, its normal, I don't care about that?
@ArtIsRight
6 ай бұрын
yes normal
@fangzhou3235
10 ай бұрын
1:14 right most M3 max top 32GB. I thought apple only sell M3 max top MBP in 48/64/128 GB? How do you get 32GB?
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
Probably an error on my charts, I have to check
@bladerealm124
10 ай бұрын
Are there any differences in speed/lag between the M3 Pros and M3 Max chips in Lightroom Classic editing with high megapixel raw files? Zooming in to 200%, using the heal tool frequently, brushing/masking, etc. My current 13" 2020 M1 16GB has significant lag with my Canon R5 45mp compressed raw files in LR Classic when zooming to 100% or 200%, when using the heal tool over and over. I'll click and have to wait several seconds for it respond and catch up to my input. I'm wondering if the M3 Max is worth the extra money over the M3 Pro in removing lag during these tasks.
@TheGreyWolf1
10 ай бұрын
Great question
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
Between the SoC not so much but RAM is a huge factor in LRC. especially with the various localized adjustment tools. The issue with the regular M1 is that they don't age well at all 4 years later with Sonoma. It was really hot SoC when it came out but you can see in most of these test, it is not holding it own any more. If anyone wants longevity get something with the Pro, Max, Ultra suffix. And at this point in time regard of gen. You can see that M1 Max or even pro is doing quite well.
@TheGreyWolf1
10 ай бұрын
Art another Informative Video I know I have asked before but would you kindly give your opinion on: Your Opinion matters. External SSD Drive between Samsung T 7 vs T 9 Both 2TB Great sales on both $49 difference I ordered both and I am returning one I stayed away from Sandisk because of their design flaw issue (losing data) Thanks Art!
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
Jeff, you might have missed what you like to voice my opinion on. Or just dm me
@TheGreyWolf1
10 ай бұрын
I tried to DM You Nothing 😕
@TheGreyWolf1
10 ай бұрын
Could you give us a direct link please? I did Facebook but nothing happened so it’s probably me art so please understand. Thank you.
@henryrichardson3508
10 ай бұрын
You show the speed of Topaz Denoise AI which can use the Apple Neural Engine. Just imagine how much faster LrC Denoise would be if it also could use the Neural Engine instead of just the GPU.
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
True
@jarrodbarker
8 ай бұрын
Your top model doesn’t exist. Unbinned the M3 Max is 48GB Unified Ram, not 32
@ArtIsRight
8 ай бұрын
Then that is the top model, error in the chart, one man crew, etc.
@jarrodbarker
8 ай бұрын
@@ArtIsRight they unfortunately force you to upgrade to 48GB if you choose the 16/40, leading to the increase of $500
@ArtIsRight
8 ай бұрын
Mentioned this in numerous videos already, this video is an addendum
@jarrodbarker
8 ай бұрын
@@ArtIsRight someone’s sensitive. An inaccurate addendum.
@cusxio
10 ай бұрын
First
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
nice
@davidpsp89
10 ай бұрын
If anyone in the comments can please help me? I am thinking of buying a MacBook M3 pro 11 core, 12 core pro or a 14 core M3 Max, 18 GB or 36 would be enough, but I would like to know the difference when running MATLAB, Apple's office page is very ambiguous in the data, gives some graphs without specifying which test was done, and in the end he says little about what he did, such as the number 12 or the numeral 14-- for example 12) Testing conducted by Apple in September and October 2023 using preproduction 14-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M3 Pro, 12-core CPU, 18-core GPU, 36GB of RAM, and 4TB SSD, production 14-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M2 Pro, 12-core CPU, 19-core GPU, 32GB of RAM, and 8TB SSD, production 14-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 Pro, 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 32GB of RAM, and 8TB SSD, and production 2.3GHz quad-core Intel Core i7-based 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Intel Iris Plus Graphics, 32GB of RAM, and 4TB SSD. Tested with MATLAB and Simulink R2023b v23.2.0 and Parallel Computing Toolbox using a vehicle dynamics model. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Pro.
@ArtIsRight
10 ай бұрын
Yeah difficult one. Look at MatLap and Simulink and see what system resources these program are using. From there choose the machine based on that
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