Toscanini: the Gordon Ramsay of classical music (except even Gordon is more polite)
@mariovanderlinden8995
Жыл бұрын
And is good at what he does
@bartsanders1553
5 ай бұрын
Toscanini would have eaten the piglet.
@thewooddove2
Жыл бұрын
“I hate Toscanini. I’ve never heard him in a concert hall, but I’ve heard enough of his recordings. What he does to music is terrible in my opinion. He chops it up into a hash and then pours a disgusting sauce over it. Toscanini ‘honoured’ me by conducting my symphonies. I heard those records, too, and they’re worthless. I’ve read about Toscanini’s conducting style and his manner of conducting a rehearsal. The people who describe this disgraceful behaviour are for some reason delighted by it. I simply can’t understand what they find delightful. I think it’s outrageous, not delightful. He screams and curses the musicians and makes scenes in the most shameless manner. The poor musicians have to put up with all this nonsense or be sacked. And they even begin to see ‘something in it’. (…) Toscanini sent me his recording of m Seventh Symphony and hearing it made me very angry. Everything is wrong. The spirit and the character and the tempi. It’s a sloppy, hack job. I wrote him a letter expressing my views. I don’t know if he ever got it; maybe he did and pretended not to - that would be completely in keeping with his vain and egoistic style. Why do I think that Toscanini didn’t let it be known that I wrote to him? Because much later I received a letter from America: I was elected to the Toscanini Society! They must have thought that I was a great fan of the maestro’s. I began receiving records on a regular basis: all new recordings by Toscanini. My only comfort is that at least I always have a birthday present handy. Naturally, I wouldn’t give something like that to a friend. But to an acquaintance-why not? It pleases them and it’s less trouble for me. That’s one of life’s most difficult problems- what to give for a birthday or anniversary to a person you don’t particularly like, don’t know very well, and don’t respect. Conductors are too often rude and conceited tyrants. And in my youth I often had to fight fierce battles with them, battles for my music and my dignity.” ― Dmitri Shostakovich, Testimony: The Memoirs
@HarryWhittle2019
Жыл бұрын
This was my favorite quote since i first heard it😂
@ottoparts789
Жыл бұрын
Holy shit thanks for showing us this!
@maestroclassico5801
Жыл бұрын
This wasn't in the underrated film TESTIMOMY. A film about Shostakovich using the memoirs as a basis. Ben Kingsley played Shostakovich! But no this wasn't in there. Would love to have gotten his views on Mravinsky...who premiered some of his works but could also be tough on Orchestras. Maybe a bit more like Reiner than Toscanini.
@theboogie_monsta
Жыл бұрын
For context this was the peak of the Cold War, Toscanini is a symbol of American culture, Shostakovich is Soviet.
@maestroclassico5801
Жыл бұрын
@@theboogie_monsta I guess so. I would've thought Italian culture but he was conducting the most visible (On Radio and TV) Orchestra in the US so.....oh YES! AT conducted a medley of national anthems that Verdi had prepared. HYMN OF NATIONS. With Jan Peerce as soloist.....it's on here somewhere....I think NBC (or someone) cut the Russian one and proceeded directly to the US national Anthem
@BnzDvz
Жыл бұрын
Toscasini is the type of guy who always screaming at deaf people.
@catherinejanet5806
Жыл бұрын
I can't tell if you just roasted Toscanini or the double bass players lol
@vhanzesp
Жыл бұрын
@@catherinejanet5806he roasted both
@yankee2666
Жыл бұрын
That's a rather stupid comment.
@opale1572
Жыл бұрын
Sí. Y Toscanini era aún peor.
@clementpoon120
10 ай бұрын
this made the rants in whiplash look mild
@TheBarOst
Жыл бұрын
- Who is the idiot Bass Cello? - I'm the idiot Bass Cello, Toscanini.
@essemmetv
9 ай бұрын
The silence in the room after his outbursts is the sound of musicians dying inside. He truly makes the guy in Whiplash look like an angel in comparison.
@hipwave
Жыл бұрын
he was bordering very closely blasphemy all along lmao.
@francescoromano5487
Жыл бұрын
nono a volte il porcamado partiva fratello
@giovannimannelli2158
Жыл бұрын
@@francescoromano5487 eh si
@nikolaoskal7438
Жыл бұрын
Toscanini: the destroyer of musicians and composers alike.
@opale1572
Жыл бұрын
👍
@ift65536
Жыл бұрын
Of course the double basses will always be late...they're one of the sections that's furthest away from the conductor.😜
@billbusen
Жыл бұрын
At one time, there was an orchestra where the Principal Bass oriented new section hires to play earlier than written, shorter than written, and louder than written. The more you know about acoustic physics and perception, the more you can appreciate this advice.
@anxiousseal556
3 ай бұрын
@@billbusen different soundwaves ya know, it's more physics than timing as you said. It's just how nature works lol
@hsh1950
11 ай бұрын
They played well in spite of him, not because of him.
@martonk
11 ай бұрын
Agreed
@SergenteHartman2356
6 ай бұрын
1:49 did he just came?
@secretmission7607
3 ай бұрын
Hahaha. He did!
@Sjenzbdh
25 күн бұрын
ROFLRFOFL
@ErnestJannCabotaje
2 ай бұрын
"Forte is piano and piano is forte" - memorable line from him
@maestroclassico5801
Жыл бұрын
The musicians of the NBC SYMPHONY knew precisely what they signed up for so they tolerated it like pros. In this century, management would immediately step in, stop the rehearsal, and bring in a substitute Conductor.
@leodreamguitar7463
Жыл бұрын
Weak society
@maestroclassico5801
Жыл бұрын
@@leodreamguitar7463 Maybe....just better unions. Toscanini and Reiner had the authority to fire musicians on the spot. Toscanini knew he had great players....bitching them out was easier than firing and replacing them!
@sigurdkaputnik7022
Жыл бұрын
Definitely not! When you play with world-class conductors, you get paid accordingly. If you fuck up your parts repeatedly, you must endure the wrath. There is no "management" or HR stepping in. No conductor on that level would accept it, if some bureaucrats tell him how he should conduct himself (no pun intended).
@maestroclassico5801
Жыл бұрын
@@sigurdkaputnik7022 Right.....THEN there wasn't.....there is NOW. Apparently in Europe it was worse. I read something about Furtwangler slapping someone.
@tronalddump1133
Жыл бұрын
Dude why do you think this shit is acceptable? "They knew what they signed up for" is the worst excuse for excessive derision by someone who is supposed to be a leader figure. Do you think this is productive? No, it's super unprofessional and he deserves the criticism imo
@CharlieLindsey-pn8jb
Ай бұрын
Fletcher in real life
@sq0034
Жыл бұрын
TOSCANONO, “you have no ears, no eyes” LMAO
@giacomovallati3104
Жыл бұрын
Grandissimo direttore: non si discute. Uomo detestabile: e anche su questo non c'è dubbio. E bestemmiava pure. Oggi sarebbe semplicemente inaccettabile.
@copernicofelinis
Жыл бұрын
Peró se ci fai caso dice "corpo" di un Dio. 😊
@Eddie_Barzoon
Жыл бұрын
è un anagramma.@@copernicofelinis
@PlaneGuyProud
Ай бұрын
Which is why modern orchestras sound like shit. People focus too much on being politically correct rather than achieving the best.
@joeenglert
Жыл бұрын
man, Toscanini sounds just like the iron shiek
@lizziesmusicmaking
Жыл бұрын
Good grief. I think I would have titled this video 'famous conductor completely loses his cool and screams at the double basses for two minutes straight'. It's excessive no matter how late they were. Not impressed by Toscanini's behavior here.
@musicorico5969
Жыл бұрын
Iwant to hear the basses part and can to see if they are late like Toscanini apunt.
@da96103
Жыл бұрын
Just learnt an Italian culture point called bestemmie. And then I thought, well let's go back to those Toscanini tantrums videos and see if he had said any.
@leonerd1763
7 ай бұрын
It's not an actual bestemmia here, but there's definitly the intention and the passion for it
@jean-philippemousnier5887
Ай бұрын
Inadmissible un tel comportement ! Dans quel monde vivait Toscanini. ?
@yarisricky
Жыл бұрын
Mitico ! O Madonna Santissima !! Contrabassi !! super GM
@CMario73
Жыл бұрын
Corpo d'un dio!! gli piacevano gli anagrammi
@AlexanderSuppermann
Жыл бұрын
The brilliant example of the iconic toxic menegment 😅 No need to be rude
@ninokatsitadze7787
Ай бұрын
Even his yelling is music 🎵🎶🎶🎶❤ uhhhhhh
@alextheodoridis4075
25 күн бұрын
Who's here because of TwoSet
@CoffeeSuccubus
9 ай бұрын
Theres a reason why this mans orchestra is so well coordinated. Hea a drill sergeant
@laurababyyy1
8 ай бұрын
He’s the drill sergeant from full metal jacket.
@stefanbernhard2710
6 ай бұрын
That's not how you lead. Would've walked off
@laurababyyy1
6 ай бұрын
@@stefanbernhard2710weak world.
@secretmission7607
Жыл бұрын
Ball Breakers!!!
@BillyBoy442
Ай бұрын
Do you get the impression he's just chillin'????
@dorotaa6933
6 ай бұрын
Unbelievable!!!!!😂😂
@mysteriumxarxes3990
Жыл бұрын
they burned them so hard their instruments turned into charcoal
@cherijaniczek9517
3 ай бұрын
Oh my heaven's sake, Toscanini is brutal!! I can't imagine anyone wanting to have him as a conductor with outrages like that at his players! So sad how he belittles the orchestra players. 😠😳
@Benjamin-bq7tc
3 ай бұрын
It's amazing what people will put up with for money.
@戦争軍隊嫌い
17 күн бұрын
お、恐ろしい❗️しかし、流石❗️
@bradipo6033
Жыл бұрын
io non resistevo, alla seconda che mi diceva gli andavo a muso duro al vechiaccio, e sarei rimasto nella storia come quello che gli ha risposto
@pyqio
2 ай бұрын
nah, avresti perso l'opportunità di suonare per Toscanini, e quindi anche il posto di lavoro.
@wickster2121
6 ай бұрын
in all fairness, as a former serious violinist in childhood, when id get pissed after making a mistake, id take the bow swear and whip my music with it. lol. i have lots of bow marks in my repertoire 😂.
@YayItsCaroline19
7 ай бұрын
This is what happens when you don't have your morning espresso
@joncheskin
Жыл бұрын
Well, that's one way to get people to play with more accuracy. Yikes!
@maestroclassico5801
Жыл бұрын
I mean, Reiner would just turn red and quietly fire people..
@opale1572
Жыл бұрын
Parece que tiene usted alguna cuenta pendiente con Reiner.
@Jordan-fn7nb
Ай бұрын
Poor duble bass, but i love that man!
@thejils1669
2 күн бұрын
I think a physicist needs to point out to Toscanini about the properties of sound. Low pitched sounds, no matter how fast they're played, always take longer to reach the ears.
@GeckoBass
Жыл бұрын
Bruh not our fault our instrument takes .1 second longer to respond dahm
@photo161
Жыл бұрын
...and you must compensate for that,...
@nonenoneonenonenone
Жыл бұрын
So you have to anticipate.
@Assadul-Naml
Жыл бұрын
@@photo161 Exactly its like shooting
@classicalricky
Жыл бұрын
bro, this is unnecessary. even musical notation software is not exact, let alone a simple human being. toscanini needs to calm down & take a deep breath
@martonk
11 ай бұрын
@@jaker9901it isn’t cattlefarming either. These are top class master musicians. This behaviour is completely unnecessary. Read what Shostakovich said about the “maestro”
@laurababyyy1
8 ай бұрын
@@martonkthey are screwing up on the easiest mistakes,if you were Toscanini trying to lead a orchestra through Puccini’s Turandot and they give a god awful performance,that not only ruins the show,but also disrespects the opera itself,there’s a reason why Toscanini is mad,and it’s not because he hates them,but because they’re playing like they’re trying out on the violin for the first time.
@GnomiCampbell
6 ай бұрын
Chi non ha studiato mai musica, in maniera professionale, non può capire. Rispetto a Toscanini.
@alfonsoliguori4047
11 ай бұрын
Fantastico. Documento fantastico. Grande Toscanini.
@BillyBoy442
Ай бұрын
Don't you think Toscanini was a mellow and docile Dude? 😏
@leonerd1763
7 ай бұрын
And the big surprise...the fucking bass is FUCKINNNNNNNNNNG SLOW!!!
@wickster2121
6 ай бұрын
i wish we could talk like this to people at work...more would get done :)
@photo161
Жыл бұрын
Did Toscanini care too much? His interest was always and only to achieve the highest possible standards in the artistic challenge at hand. And of the dozens of the major conductors of the 20th Century, how many are remembered today? And of them, there are no more than a very few still held in such reverence and extolled so universally as is Arturo Toscanini.
@tronalddump1133
Жыл бұрын
This is not how you do that
@nonenoneonenonenone
Жыл бұрын
Only he was overrated.
@opale1572
Жыл бұрын
@@nonenoneonenonenone👍👍
@simoli516
11 ай бұрын
@@nonenoneonenonenone Not at all. Listen to his recordings
@Benjamin-bq7tc
3 ай бұрын
Fuck that shit.
@duqueadriano0081
Жыл бұрын
absolutely based
@almightyhydra
Жыл бұрын
Double based, no less
@jonathandemiguel1458
Жыл бұрын
@@almightyhydra💀
@chasecoleman232
Жыл бұрын
😳😰
@user-mp3fb7by4w
9 ай бұрын
Si vede che voi buonisti non avete mai sentito un direttore di clinica Barone dei tempi d’oro in sala operatoria. Sapete, cari benpensanti , che nessuno se ne curava sul serio? La società era così . In ogni caso adesso si sentono cantanti o strumentisti fuori tempo e nessuno può dire niente! Sono dei coglionazzi ! Aveva ragione Toscanini .
@sigurdkaputnik7022
Жыл бұрын
the guy should be glad Toscanini didn't fire him on the spot. If Toscanini is unhappy with how you play, you will rehearse that part until your fingers bleed. Otherwise you have no right to be there.
@Alex-pj6jp
Жыл бұрын
🤣
@mogiframogifra3961
Жыл бұрын
Quel con!
@polizialocale7170
Жыл бұрын
Toscanini was a genius. Today's people are too soft, but at that level, either you MUST have the guts to keep on working or you don't belong there.
@martonk
11 ай бұрын
Read what Shostakovich had to say about Toscanini’s abbrasive behaviour AT THE TIME. Was he too soft aswell? He is not today’s person. This style is excessive and cannot be defended. He is screaming at world class master musicians, not schoolchildren. He made a fool of himself with this disgraceful behaviour.
@laurababyyy1
10 ай бұрын
Exactly,if this was today ,Toscanini would have gotten kicked out and there would have been a new dumbass conductor who didn’t give a shit about performance.
@martonk
10 ай бұрын
@@laurababyyy1 That sounds like two extremes instead of what would likely happen. I never understood why some people find it necessary to use such an abbrasive tone with musicians (I'm not one) as if they were soldiers or football players or something.
@laurababyyy1
8 ай бұрын
@@martonkmusic is a delicate form,if Toscanini is furious about how you’ve played,you’re either kicked out or forced to play until your fingers bleed. It’s an exaggeration again,but a prime example on how to be a good conductor.as modern conductors today,they’re too whiny and babyish to learn how to be a good musician
@laurababyyy1
8 ай бұрын
@@martonktrust me,that build good work in them,you can’t expect a person to be perfect,hence why hammering it home to them works better,it’s my opinion though,you might have a different opinion
@ilcondottierocartografo6770
Жыл бұрын
Blasphemer
@simoli516
11 ай бұрын
Do you even know what blasphemy is
@ilcondottierocartografo6770
11 ай бұрын
@@simoli516 the subtitles are wrong bro, he's actually blaspheming and all that
@simoli516
11 ай бұрын
@@ilcondottierocartografo6770 Im Italian bro. what is he blaspheming? The only time he mentions god is "Corpo di un dio" or "Corpo di un dio santissimo". Thats not blasphemy its a common phrase in italy.
@ilcondottierocartografo6770
11 ай бұрын
@@simoli516 you are right, when I heard this I thought I heard porco, now I heard it again. But still saying it in vain
@simoli516
11 ай бұрын
@@ilcondottierocartografo6770 yeah, he is saying it in vain, but blasphemy is completely different from using gods name in vain and its a way more serious offense
@poopingowl
7 ай бұрын
GUYS HE WAS NOT SAYING “FOR THE LOVE OF XXXXX”. He was saying that those gods were pigs ☠️☠️
@PlaneGuyProud
Ай бұрын
When you are paid $100k a year and you play like shit? Maestro's berating is reasonable and warranted.
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