Let me know which bike you'd have in the comments :)
@christopherwebb3517
4 ай бұрын
Coolness is in the eye of the beholder. I think the touring bike here looks cooler than the gravel bike. I'm a sucker for steel lugged forks. I think they look so much better than the space-age looking carbon forks. I'm also a bit of a retro grouch, so I tend to favor more classic looking bikes over more modern looking bikes.
@ssmtb
4 ай бұрын
Definitely on board with statement, steel frames are timeless IMHO
@Cycling366
4 ай бұрын
Indeed!
@markcowen9538
5 ай бұрын
Totally disagree, some touring bikes look very cool (including your dads)
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Yeah I agree. ‘Some’ touring bikes look cool and the Surly’s are great. Others look awful but that’s my opinion 😛
@AlbertHensley-v3b
Ай бұрын
I get told every day how cool my touring bike looks. The first word is always "WOW!".
@mrman5517
5 ай бұрын
the best thing about touring bikes is the geometry! having a slightly longer wheelbase, which increases stability and means your heels won't strike panniers, and a more upright comfortable riding position is wonderful.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Yeah exactly, designed for comfort not speed, but that’s cool too.
@pauloleduc1
5 ай бұрын
Moreover, after you die, since you had ridden a iron mount, you'll be able to resolve the "Riddle of Steel" and Crom will not laugh at you and cast you out of Valhalla
@capturemylife
5 ай бұрын
Just a comment..you CAN fit wider tyres in the Surly Disc Trucker . Fatties Fit Fine..says so on the forks 😂
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Haha yes you’re right!
@gusnuk68
5 ай бұрын
I have both. I'm not a strong neither fast cyclist, so i feel good with my heavy goofy Salsa Marrakesh (and 1990 Trek 520).
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
That’s the ideal scenario! Have both then you don’t need to compromise :)
@kai_v_k
5 ай бұрын
I have a touring bike with a flat bar and 55mm tyres, so actually wider than most Gravel bikes, so I would disagree that Gravel bikes have generally wider tyres, it strongly depends on the individual bike. My frame is from aluminium while my rigid fork is steel and has a rated capacity of 180kg. With chunky tyres I have taken the bike on the first 2000km of the Great Divide mountain bike route, while in the standard setup I have gone all over Germany (mostly to work), but also the UK and France and technically Switzerland. I would categorize your Dads bike as a (beautiful) Randoneuse, rather than a general touring bike. It is just one variety of the wide array which can be touring bikes, where I would say flat bars are more common. I do agree though on the downsize of classical panniers with aerodynamics and width, on the upside is the ease of mount and carrying capacity.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Yes I would agree. Each bike is different but as a general rule, I’d say Touring bikes don’t fit tyres as wide as gravel bikes. Your bike sounds cool!
@susanmurchie
5 ай бұрын
have had a Dawes Galaxy tourer for quite a few years and love it. Dont feel it’s heavy and has taken me through the Western Isles and Wester Ross/Skye and Moidart and various areas in France including over Mont Ventoux. It’s still going strong after all these years, and i think it looks pretty cool!
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Yeah I must admit Scotland roads are suited to a touring bike!
@MalkyMcMillan
5 ай бұрын
My brother has exactly the same bike and I believe he'd agree completely with you. It's also anice-looking bike, I must say.
@Hazchem3000
2 ай бұрын
Every incarnation of the Dawes Galaxy never fails to turn my head. Beautiful bike.
@moenielsen3218
2 ай бұрын
I'll take a touring bike every day, and yes, touring is on the roads, not off-road, by definition.
@Cycling366
2 ай бұрын
You do you!
@davidjohnston1374
3 ай бұрын
I have a 2016 model Australian designed Vivente World Randoneur which have the drop bars and Shimano Dura-ace bar-end shifters which I love, I'm very much a traditionalist but also love the Modern offerings too. These bikes as you say are definitely great for long distance touring but they are also one of the best bikes for around town Commuting, it has full mudguards, Hydraulic Disc brakes, Shimano hub Dyno and AXA light system included, side stand, front and rear Tubus racks and best of all, Schwalbe Marathon Tyres for Puncture resistant riding. It may not be as Light and nimble as a Gravel or roadbike but it feels solid and I'm not a light bloke. My Bike with all bags taken off weighs in a 14kg so I don't think they are too heavy and are about 10kgs lighter than a E-bike. I'd like to have both though, a Gravel and Touring bike and a MTB to really go bush.
@Cycling366
3 ай бұрын
Sounds great! I like a tank of a bike
@stephenking27
2 ай бұрын
I just sold my trusty old Surly LHT and bought a new Vivente Gibb with Rohloff hub. It’s a fantastic bike, with plenty of clearance for decent off-road tyres.
@stephenking27
2 ай бұрын
For me touring bikes are best. They are robust and practical… and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The classic thin tube steel frame just looks like a bike should look. I’ve always thought gravel bikes were a marketing solution that lacked a real world problem. A good mountain bike will do everything a gravel bike will do, so the concept is redundant.
@Cycling366
2 ай бұрын
Fair enough. A good MTB isn’t great on the road though so can’t completely agree with you.
@larryrand7499
29 күн бұрын
A key topic not specifically addressed is comfort. I have a Bianchi steel touring bike with carbon handlebars and stem and a B17 Brooks saddle. It is easy on my body on a long ride--much easier than a stiffer gravel bike frame with a more aggressive geometry would be. Another topic missed is commuting. Because touring bikes are outfitted with all kinds of weather in mind, they make good commuter bikes--plenty of storage, fenders to keep you dry enough for work, excellent lights in case you have to work late, tires wider than racing bikes' but designed for the streets. As for looks, I think most touring bikes aren't all that flashy looking; this reduces them as priority theft targets. Flashier bikes are easier to fence. If your commuter parking space is outdoors or in an easy to access bike room, less flash is a good thing. It seems to me that gravel bikes are good for off-road touring and rec riding, which doesn't make them more versatile than the tourer/commuter bike. One caveat re: touring bikes. As much as I enjoy bikepacking, I can't seem to get away as often as I would like. My bike, now 27 years old and riding great, has 10 times as many commuting miles than it has touring miles. I'm thinking that the term should be commuter/touring bike rather than the other way.
@nelsonholditch6633
Ай бұрын
To be honest I don’t see much difference in looks between the two. I am looking at gravel bikes only because I like to explore when riding and sometimes it can be off road. I can’t fit much larger tires on my three road bikes. I have two mountain bikes, but I hate riding any distance with flat bars. And yes I have tried converting a mountain bike to road use. Maybe I will try it again seeing what we have learned with the development of gravel bikes.
@Cycling366
Ай бұрын
Cool 👌
@petergibson7287
4 ай бұрын
It's pretty comical that the words 'aero' and 'faster' are applied to choosing one bicycle type over another. A person upon a bicycle is about as aerodynamic as a block of flats. Add luggage, and you've got a heavier block of flats. Ffs.
@Cycling366
3 ай бұрын
Fo sho
@normancoutts
5 ай бұрын
I was convinced my Thorn Raven Sport Tour, now 14 years old, would be my last ever bike purchase. Then a mate temped me onto gravel and I made an impulse buy of a Decathlon Second Life RC120 GRVL - for under £400. What a revelation! I love it, but for any proper biking adventure, rather than a day's ride, I'd go with the practicality of the Thorn. It will do road and light trails happily. But the RC 120 is far more fun for a shorter blast. Horses for courses, and owning two is allowed. Luckily! I enjoyed your review of the two.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Nice! The decathlon bikes are great value so sounds ace!
@weeringjohnny
5 ай бұрын
Once you load up your bike with all your kit the difference in weight between carbon and steel is meaningless because you need to think in terms of system weight ie rider, bike and gear weight added together. 1kg might represent just 1% difference. It needs to be said though that today's sophisticated steels may not be easily welded by an African village blacksmith.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Of course! Yeah that’s why I said ‘in theory’ it’s a bit of a misconception in my view. Most places can source spare parts or take delivery of new frames if the worst should happen, but there’s a notion that steel is the best because it can be repaired vs replaced
@randelscyclevlogperthwa7342
5 ай бұрын
If you,re over 90kgs, get a tourer for all your rides. They're made to take the weight, aluminium is rubbish in my experience.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Yeah if you’re heavy, steel is always a good option
@JeremyLawrence-imajez
5 ай бұрын
It is design and quality that matters, not the material. Also when I was a mere 60kg I snapped a steel frame. I have owned other steel, alloy and carbon bikes and they have all been excellent.
@randelscyclevlogperthwa7342
5 ай бұрын
@JeremyLawrence-imajez Well aluminium is the cheaper alternative for mass produced bikes and doesnt flex like steel and fatigues far more. Many cracked frames later, I wont touch them.
@JeremyLawrence-imajez
5 ай бұрын
Maybe don't buy cheap/poorly designed bikes then@@randelscyclevlogperthwa7342. Loads of folk ride alloy frames without issue. Alloy is not the problem, otherwise they wouldn't build say aeroplanes or wind turbines out of it. Things that undergo way more stress and flex than a mere bicycle.
@pablogonzalezhermosilla4210
12 сағат бұрын
@@randelscyclevlogperthwa7342 Aluminum is so bad that most brands competing on the Downhill UCI world cup and Redbull Rampage/Hardline use it on their designs lol
@dhruv68
9 күн бұрын
It’s a good concise and quite informative summation of the pros and cons of each. I have cycled toured over 20,000 kms and bike packed around 5000 and have both a touring ( Surly) and gravel bike ( Marin ) which I use for trips less than a week or ten days. Multi week trips need a touring bike unless one plans to be sleeping extensively in motels etc.
@atulganguly73
10 күн бұрын
Great video, thanks! I have a Specialized Gravel bike in carbon frame and I was wondering if I could use it for bikepacking/touring. I feel a little better knowing that it IS capable.
@bigtrout
Ай бұрын
Shoot, my Marin 4 Corners is cool. Looks cool, rides cool. The most comfortable bike I own. Without racks and bags, most would think it’s a gravel or cyclocross bike. It’s a bit “ponderous” compared, and yet way more comfortable than my carbon road bike. With 30mm Conti 4000’s it’s a joy to lay down miles.
@mitchloewenherz
5 күн бұрын
Pelago Stavanger is a quite versatile gravel bike. Especially because of its steel frame. Unloaded it is a very stable ride. Love it and hope it will last forever ❤️
@RogerLong-tb4xl
27 күн бұрын
Touring is not about going faster. Touring bikes are built to carry heavy loads, over long distances. This means they come with bearings that will last a lot longer. Touring bikes are versitile, I use mine everyday. Carbon fibre is way to delicate, and difficult to repair. Titanium too rigid and very difficult to 'weld on the road'. Long distance touring requires carrying your home, for maybe three years. Only possible with a touring bike. Touring bikes and butterfly bars are super cool. Yes, I have toured a lot. In excess of 300, 000 kms.
@simonwiltshire
5 ай бұрын
I've been useing a kona sutra with 2.25 tyres on it a 3by 9 gear set up and it will take everything i give it.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Sounds like a beast!
@jacksonbangs6603
22 күн бұрын
I use my Trek 520 touring bike for touring, commuting and gravel ridding. I got it on my cross country bicycle tour when my aluminum specialized tricross bike got a crack in the fram causing severe mechanical issues on the road. Aluminum is good for cheap light weight performance but not long term heavy touring. I have to give credit to steal frame touring bikes for their excellent longevity.
@sfroese4
2 ай бұрын
Can a gravel bike be fitted with triple chain ring group set?
@Cycling366
2 ай бұрын
Depends on the model, but sure it’s probably possible
@octofui
11 күн бұрын
Gravel bikes just look cool? I disagree, depends on the steel tourer! Steel tourers are heavier because the tubes are thicker and stiffer so when you load the thing up it doesn't feel like a noodle. The weight of the bike is negligible once you've thrown your body and bags on.
@harborchop
2 ай бұрын
Your dad's bike can be fitted with your gravel bike's components, fitted with the same tires, and use the gravel bike's panniers and bags and only weigh a couple of kilos more. After doing this and loading it up for a week, your dad's bike will probably have a much better ride quality regardless of surface.
@Cycling366
2 ай бұрын
Perhaps, but I don’t think the ride quality is any better personally
@danalec4742
5 ай бұрын
How the bike looks is very subjective. I agree 100% with you, but many people love touring bikes and we must respect thir opinion. Main reason I'd go for a gravel is the off road capabilities. Everything else is disputable. For road bikepacking, a disc road bike with 32mm tyres is good enough. Best regards,
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Yes indeed, the whole video is slightly subjective but that’s because bikes divide opinions haha. Thanks for watching
@ItsAkeiB
5 ай бұрын
Great video, I'm currently looking for the perfect bike for me. And your video proofed me that I should go for a touring bike for 5 month tour through america
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Thanks! Awesome, that sounds like the best bet for that length of time
@bernardwatts5339
3 ай бұрын
Modern touring bikes have tended to change gain gravel features eg Cinelli EasyTravel: disc brakes, up to 44 mm tyres without mudguards,
@Cycling366
3 ай бұрын
Cool
@nancyclark8503
Ай бұрын
I think the touring bike looks very nice
@Cycling366
Ай бұрын
👍
@SwampyDuckRidesAgain3636
5 ай бұрын
My biggest regret was selling my Dawes Super Galaxy I used it every where and for commuting to the hospital I worked in. Great for carrying fresh wardrobe in for my on-call shifts. I’d happily have another. Even gravel bikes can be pretty much subdivided mines is a Pinarello so very much more race orientated but still easy to use for touring. Prior to having a gravel bike I was using both my carbon road bikes on gravel etc did the gear Glen Way on my Domane with road tyres😂. I still have a triple set MTB but I do like the simplicity of a 1x on my new MTB and Gravel bike and if you have the right set up they will go up anything. I think it doesn’t matter what you use to tour on I started on a Shopper bike as a teenager and I know folks who are still using Moulton etc to tour on and on rougher terrain. It’s all pretty subjective.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Yeah it’s all subjective but that’s the beauty of videos like this. Nobody fully agrees 😛 Yeah that’s the gold standard of tourers! Shame you no longer have it
@SwampyDuckRidesAgain3636
5 ай бұрын
Yes only sold it because I was told by GP I’d probably be unable to cycle again. Kept the new MTB and thought it would be such a shame for the Galaxy not to be used it was in mint condition to ☹️
@lifeat10mph7
5 ай бұрын
I get more compliments on my 2016 Salsa Marrakesh than I have on all my other bikes combined.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Cool 😎
@dougmckinney7575
4 ай бұрын
I am on my second Marrakesh, bought the first one too large so I down sized, and agree. People love seeing them loaded or unloaded.
@waklerma
5 ай бұрын
My Gravel Bike has fixed paniers at the back (and fenders/lights/dynamo hub) plus mounting points for a low rider front panier set.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Nice!
@cyclingawaytrauma
2 күн бұрын
Marin Four corners...the do it all bike 👍
@IowaNinersFan
5 ай бұрын
I use my gravel bike for bikepacking and love it due to the versatility, lighter weight and speed. Some day I'll get my hands on a touring bike when I'm ready for that cross country trip but for now, I'll stick to my gravel bike.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Yeah same here! Nothing against touring bikes but gravel works well for me currently
@MalkyMcMillan
5 ай бұрын
Gearing and strength means it's my Claude Butler tourer every time for camping trips here in Scotland.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Nice! I mean don’t get me wrong, I love all bikes so you do what works for you :)
@jameshenehan9670
5 ай бұрын
Very surprised to see this name in the comments! I've just ridden a 1980's Claud Butler from Ireland to India - the entire way with a rusted out bottom bracket. Unfortunately it has now bit the dust and I'm looking to replace it
@MalkyMcMillan
5 ай бұрын
@jameshenehan9670 My wife and I bought ours in the early 2000s. They wouldn't win anything in the lightness stakes, but that just adds to their robustness eating up the miles and carrying a shitload luggage. Hellish on the hills, of course.
@freespeechoneeach
5 ай бұрын
i have a marin four corners steel frame , 2.0 gravel tyres , 1x 10 deore , alt bars. pretty much does everything i want from it. around your neck of woods. Goole canal to Rawciffe Bridge to Snaith ( bacon butty at The Kitchen!) Carlton to Burn airfield. Selby canal then trans pennine trail to Howden then back to Goole. its about 35 mile loop which i enjoy but im 58 now so enough for me! great channel.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Sounds ideal for that sort of riding!
@CasaFassa
23 күн бұрын
Touring bike looks cooler than the gravel bike.
@WilliamKlaus-m9l
2 ай бұрын
Touring, obviously.
@Cycling366
2 ай бұрын
Obviously
@WesMoto
2 ай бұрын
Touring bikes are made of steel which absorb vibration on the road which add good riding quality . While Gravel bikes are mostly made in alum its rigid and feel more vibrations and bumps on the road, but its lighter and faster. Stiffness can result in a harsh ride quality.
@Cycling366
2 ай бұрын
Indeed
@AlbertHensley-v3b
Ай бұрын
I do "bikepacking"&"touring" or as I say "trail touring" on my 29" hardtail Jamis Durango. It has a thule rack with sea to summit dry bags up front and a surly cro-mo steel rear rack with thule shield panniers 13l each. And 4l sea to summit watercellls straped under the panniers. I have a topeak 15l backloader seat bag on the seat and seat post. And a topeak 5l seat bag wedged between the rack and backloader. I have a salsa exp full frame bag. Topeak versa cages on the forks. A aero spider cage on the handelbars. Also a pair of water bottle cages on the forks and another versa cage on the bottom of the down tube for my 64oz growler. I had a personal trainer (ex navy seal) lift it and he said it weighs about 200lbs. fully loaded 😮.
@Cycling366
Ай бұрын
Sounds like a nice setup!
@donaldoutterson3071
2 ай бұрын
No hybrid or comfort bikes? We have many more choices of bicycles than what you have listed here, and comfort is more important than speed. Ask the women and old folks before you go jumping to conclusions. Happy trails!
@Cycling366
2 ай бұрын
No fat bike or Dutch bike? No foldable bikes or full suspension e-bikes? The video is called Touring bike vs Gravel bike, not ‘Which bike type out of every possible bike type is best’
@fuzzi1002
3 ай бұрын
Your Dad's Bike ist a Randonneur... I use a mid 90's Rockhopper with 50 mm wide tyres as a touring bike. At the Moment I am in Corsica. Today I drove up a very rough and steep gravel road, with 20 kg of load .....
@Cycling366
3 ай бұрын
👏
@johngrattan6343
3 ай бұрын
My 1984 Claud Butler Dalesman is COOL and admired everywhere i go. Unique now in a world of identikit clone bikes.
@Cycling366
3 ай бұрын
Cool 😎
@gonzalezgonzalez8962
Ай бұрын
Great video
@Cycling366
Ай бұрын
Thanks
@gonzalezgonzalez8962
Ай бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@Cycling366
Ай бұрын
You’re welcome 😊
@peterwilliamson4296
3 ай бұрын
If you are not riding off road, I think lower gears continue to make touring bikes appealing. Or you swap out the crank and cassette for better climbing potential making gravel bikes are arguably more appealing.
@Cycling366
2 ай бұрын
Good points
@hussamjamil4980
4 ай бұрын
I have an old 90s Giant MTB that i picked up for €50 locally. It is a tad large for me, but as mentioned in the comments below, it does have a longer wheel base and is a lot more comfortable than my 90s Kona Lava Dome MTB (which has a 17" frame compared to the 20" frame of the Giant). I am thinking of converting the Giant to a daily communter-/touring. I do not have a car, so i would like to load it with front and rear racks, it is only the frame size that is putting me off.
@Cycling366
4 ай бұрын
That’s cool! 90s MTB builds are really popular at the moment so could be made to work!
@COF001
2 ай бұрын
riding 120k in that posture on a gravel bike would be a nightmare
@Cycling366
2 ай бұрын
Maybe for you! I’ve done tens of rides of considerably more mileage than that on this bike and it’s been very comfortable
@VictorElGreco
27 күн бұрын
Luggage and terrain will tilt the scale. 😌
@paulcurotto3884
5 ай бұрын
I have a Dawes Super Galaxy from the early 90’s. I wouldn’t swap it for the world it’s ultra reliable and is a great ride and yes I think it looks cool 😊
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Nice!
@ellerybice3787
6 күн бұрын
Gravel this 👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾🦨
@phillcubed1745
5 ай бұрын
You are certainly a brave person to tackle a touring vs gravel comparison - and well done for the well-balanced discussion you gave. A hitch is that like gravel bikes, touring bikes have also ‘moved on’ - any hope of a comparison between up to date gravel and touring bikes that have similar features (eg wider tyres, lighter weight frames…)?
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Cheers Phil! Yeah it’s always controversial but hopefully it’s informative for some people haha. Yeah sounds like a good idea
@Fliewatuut
5 ай бұрын
My bike is an Idworx All Rohler. 5,5 cm tires. It takes me everwhere, offroad, gravel, tarmac.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Sounds like a tank 💥
@steveread1798
5 ай бұрын
You made a very interesting point about the width of panniers, do fork leg bags suffer the same issue? I’m trying to spec "likes" and "must haves" for a bike purchase and I had fork bolt points as a must but starting to wonder if it’s not so important.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Potentially yes! Depends on how high up the fork mounts are. In my Sonder Frontier walkthrough I have them fitted and they’re on the lower side but not had any issues yet
@garyboyle695
5 ай бұрын
Aero while you have a big pack mounted to your handlebars and panniers at the back. Good luck with that.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Well… the rider position does make the biggest difference so you’ll still likely notice it going from upright to dropped down.
@ThaneMcMartin
28 күн бұрын
I recently purchased a Jamis Renegade gravel bike. With 20 frame mounts, it can easily be used for bike packing or touring. To accommodate either gravel rides or road tours, I have two wheel sets, making this bike amazingly versatile.
@DIY-DaddyO
5 ай бұрын
You say a touring bike isn't capable off road, but the Rough Stuff fellowship crossed Iceland in the 50's on them. Maybe kids are softer today...
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Nice! We also trekked across the world on horses hundreds of years ago. Doesn’t mean it’s optimal! But in all seriousness, each bike is different so some touring bikes can handle off road. It’s just a general comparison
@DIY-DaddyO
5 ай бұрын
@@Cycling366 True, I'd like both 😁
@JeremyLawrence-imajez
5 ай бұрын
Most of the rather wonderful Roughstuff photos however seem to show them carrying bikes and fixing punctures. I've ridden a bike with [tubeless] 28mm tyres many a time on some serious challenging off road terrain and whilst I enjoy a underbiking on a day out, if touring/bikepacking, underbiking is too, slow as well as very draining and tiring.
@PeterKenyon
20 күн бұрын
Touring bikes👍
@Toretto16
29 күн бұрын
1x gearing is crap.
@seansixfive
5 ай бұрын
If I’m totally honest I must do about 80% on road and 20% off. So I bought a Kona Sutra. I love it, it’s just a pleasure to ride. Loaded with full touring gear, loaded with a few days of bikepacking gear or just naked, it just delivers a pleasant comfortable ride.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Yeah a good few people have commented saying they like the Sutra. Not ridden one myself but worth checking out!
@thomasmuller986
5 ай бұрын
But get the old One with 73mm bottom bracket. Much more Tire clearance
@marcclish
5 ай бұрын
Own a gravel bike but i actually like the look of touring bikes... Surly and the Genesis Tour de Fer being my favourite.. Great comparison by the way.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Nice! Yeah I’ve got to admit the Surlys do look cool if I had to get a touring bike!
@JudgeDeadMJ
2 ай бұрын
check out the Diamant Villiger (=
@marcclish
2 ай бұрын
@@JudgeDeadMJ no
@JudgeDeadMJ
2 ай бұрын
@@marcclish :(
@doh444
5 ай бұрын
Or a touring MTB? I have a Genesis Longitude that can go anywhere!!! Also got a Genesis Tour de Fer which manages most places the Longitude can go until the mudguards jam up with mud!
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Didn’t know there was a touring MTB in honesty haha. Sounds cool
@garyboyle695
5 ай бұрын
@@Cycling366A Scottish company called Shand does one as well.
@daniellarson3068
5 ай бұрын
Seems like every time I hear about someone going to exotic places on a bike for long distance excursions, it turns out their bike is a Surly Long Haul Trucker. I just checked and they handle 700C X 45mm tires. I do not own one nor do I work for them.
@Spanderson99
5 ай бұрын
Up until 2018 or so, the LHT and Disc Trucker were some of the best touring bikes around. Sadly, they’ve axed the LHT and the newer Disc Trucker doesn’t have very good quality components. I’ve taken my Disc Trucker to all sorts of exotic places, but it’s also great as a bomb-proof year-round commuter. Triple cranksets are tough to beat for range and versatility. You can slog up a mountain pass at walking pace, and scream down the other side faster than the cars. Basically, I do own one, and it’s great!
@daniellarson3068
5 ай бұрын
@@Spanderson99 So - It sounds like some of the stuff may wear out a bit quicker. I guess replacement parts will be around for quite a few years. Maybe, the cost of those new components has shot kinda sky high like a lot of premium bike parts and they had to compromise. If people keep praising them, I may get one some day or maybe one of these belt driven bicycles.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Yeah Surlys are different really. Slightly more of a hybrid between gravel bikes and touring bikes but they’re cool!
@ssmtb
4 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks for sharing 👌
@Cycling366
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Jan-bf2ht
5 ай бұрын
I'm with a lot of comments here, a touring bike is far from being ugly and the weight is obviously a matter of parts being put on, including the fenders which limit the tire size. If you take them off tire clearance is pretty much on par with the gravel bike. Oh and the material, steel being heavy? Who taught you that? A carbon frame is most probably lighter, an alloy frame not really. But IMHO they just don't look as good as a slick steel frame. And companies today stick to that as well, just look at Surly, very timeless classy gravel bikes made of steel
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Cool. I mean… equivalent steel frames just are heavier that’s a fact… of course you could get a high end steel frame vs a blocky aluminium frame and it may be lighter but comparatively it’s not!
@ラブはやしじゃ
5 ай бұрын
Which brompton bike belongs to?
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Neither really; they’re more of a commuter / light touring bike
@JeremyLawrence-imajez
5 ай бұрын
I've had a steel frame break as it happens. It cracked on underside of downtube about 5cm down from headtube. 😕Pretty sure rust was part of the issue there. Never been convinced by the 'you can repair steel anywhere' argument. Building and also repairing modern thin walled steel bikes is a really skilled job and if you are in the back of beyond even finding a welder will be a challenge. Carbon ironically is the material you are most likely to be able to fix yourself. After all, it's just fancy fibre glass with a much fancier price. 😁So you can carry carbon repair kits with you. We passed each other the other day as it happens Tom. On the river bike path by Meadowhall. Didn't twigg until after we'd passed, I was a bit tired at that point. Otherwise I'd have waved/said hello. I'm guessing you were coming from your folk's house whilst I was just heading back home which is just up the hill from their place. None of my various bikes [CX, HT, FS] have any kind of rack mounting, Yet I could carry more than I personally would ever need with zero problems, due to clever modern luggage designs. A mix of Tailfin, Ortlieb and Alpkit. Which I can upgrade to carry panniers, should I want to. Also modern bikepacking bikes have even more clever carrying features than an old skool tourer these days. I think a long tail hard tail bike would be my choice for an epic round the world trip. Something like an Esker Hayduke LVS. See here - kzitem.info/news/bejne/s6Oe262Ye6WFqX4 On and my Crud rear mudguard fits nicely under my Tailfin Aero pack.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Very good points!
@jeffreyrule8143
5 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
No worries!
@koyapol
5 ай бұрын
i thought bikepacking and biketouring are 2 different disciplines?
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Not really now. It’s mostly marketing BS. The new meaning of ‘bikepacking’ incorporates all bike travel with overnight stopping in my opinion. It’s used interchangeably nowadays.
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Not really now. It’s mostly marketing BS. The new meaning of ‘bikepacking’ incorporates all bike travel with overnight stopping in my opinion. It’s used interchangeably nowadays.
@JohnWilkinson-f4k
5 ай бұрын
Looking at bike theft, maybe it is a good idea not to have a bike that looks "cool"
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Yeah maybe. But if you’re careful and you’re using it for camping in the wilderness, I’d say the risk is negligible!
@EvendimataE
5 ай бұрын
mountain bike is the all around bike...gravel bike is just a fad....LOL
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
That’s for another video 😂
@JeremyLawrence-imajez
5 ай бұрын
MTBs stopped being an all round bike a long time ago. Which is why gravel bikes were developed to fit that void. Most 'gravel' bikes are now drop barred MTBs that do the same job as the all round that XC MTBs bikes of the 90s once did.
@Aus10c
4 ай бұрын
Gravel bikes > MTB
@JeremyLawrence-imajez
4 ай бұрын
I hate to break it to you, but most 'Gravel' bikes are MTBs now @@Aus10c.
@thedaftestnameicouldthinko8233
5 ай бұрын
I’ve done quite a bit of gravel, including bits of the Highland Trail 550 on my touring bike, a 26 inch wheel Thorn. Steel is so comfortable. There have been days when I would have appreciated suspension but I disagree with your final comment about everyday use. Everyday is what I use my touring bike for. Tesco. Day rides. Training days. Then fly on the carbon Roubaix after the hard preparation work on my heavy metal Thorn.
@capturemylife
5 ай бұрын
Yeah me too. I bought a second hand touring bike for same reason. Commute to work (without it looking too flashy aka nickable) , the weekly shop, and of course Touring!
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Fair enough! Each to their own :)
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Luxury
@danieleverywhere132
5 ай бұрын
whaaaat? gravel bike has wider tire than touring bike? absolutely not true even touring bike in your video has sticker fatties fit fine just depends what kind of frame it is and touring bike not suitable for bad roads? come on ,what fits better,sturdy frame or carbon frame made to load couple of chocolates?
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
The Surly is an outlier. Most traditional touring bikes as standard will not have bigger tyre clearance than a gravel bike
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
The Surly is an outlier. Most traditional touring bikes as standard will not have bigger tyre clearance than a gravel bike
@danieleverywhere132
5 ай бұрын
@@Cycling366 you are talking about traditional 700C bikes,those are limited because they were made for good roads anyway gravel bikes didn't have wider tyres than 35 mm till very recently but majority of touring bikes were made with 26 inch wheels,those are sturdier and wider,i use 2,35 tyre on my 26 inch touring bike so i guess you are talking more of touring/treking bikes and i am talking about Touring/expedition bikes gravel bike is in essence at the moment MTB with fancy handlebar but before was sturdier variant of race bike just another atempt of industry to upsell you something they even produced GRX 2 x group but refuse to do that on MTB because "it is not necessary" but i would say they just want compnents to fit only there so they could sell you more
@JeremyLawrence-imajez
5 ай бұрын
@@danieleverywhere132 Gravel bikes came from a grassroots racing scene. Just like MTBIng did 30 years previously. Folk took CX bikes and then did all day races on them [on gravel roads, hence the name] and because there were no rules with about max width 33mm tyre, 37-40mm tyres were used nearly 20 years back and gravel bikes were born. That's still the optimum size range for actual gravel racing. However folk starting wanting such bikes outside of that scene because modern MTBs became too much bike for the reality of most folks off roading. These gravel bikes them got a bit fatter in the tyre department and filled the gap that 90s MTBs used to occupy for riding XC. We are now repeating the evolution of 90s MTBs. So most 'gravel' bikes are now drop barred MTBs and wouldn't do well in a gravel race. I think Salsa is one of the few companies that honestly describes such bikes as drop barred MTBs.
@danieleverywhere132
5 ай бұрын
@@JeremyLawrence-imajez for sure boundaries are blurred nowadays one category of bike mixing with other it is very easy to make gravel bike out of cross bike personally i just abandoned all hype of new bikes and use only 26 inch in different configurations with different gears and forks with weight from 10 15 kilos only exception being 28 inch hybrid with race wheels when i want speed people always want something new i want new only if i see progress which is not there but i am old what do i know
@ajo12Oba
5 ай бұрын
To me, the touring bike in the Video looks more like a gravel/road bike than a touring bike. Touring bikes usually come with different bar type and small suspensions in front plus dynamo lights
@Cycling366
5 ай бұрын
Yeah it’s a bit of a hybrid but I’ve never seen a standard touring bike with suspension. Dynamo lights can be fitted to any bike with a Dynamo hub so that’s not exclusive to touring bikes either IMO.
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