I really enjoy these test videos. Cuts through all the corporate bullshit.
@terryrodbourn2793
Жыл бұрын
he needs the clean his windshield before filming!
@MurseTech64
Жыл бұрын
Such a strange instrument cluster....
@petehelme7714
Жыл бұрын
at least it has one. ;)
@swaxtastic
Жыл бұрын
@@petehelme7714 I like cars without them. Much cleaner, less distracting. More focus on the road.
@LearningFast
Жыл бұрын
The fact that the VW software is better than this car is really saying something.
@bavariancarenthusiast2722
Жыл бұрын
and...they got much better the last 3 months (VW), looks like they get their stuff together
@junkerzn7312
Жыл бұрын
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 Heheh. yah... except my ID.4 recall repairs, which includes updating the software, is currently scheduled for October. October 2024 that is. Not even this year! That said, the VW software bugs only amount to minor annoyances. They get amplified by EV review channels, but they aren't really show-stoppers for actually using the vehicle.
@normt430
Жыл бұрын
..and the id.4 rear windows work. Albeit with only a pair of window switches.
@nothere572
Жыл бұрын
Version 3.1 the 2022 and 2023 ID.4s have is pretty good honestly. 2021s are getting updated to that version too.
@kelkilkat
Жыл бұрын
I agree, it does say something. Confusing software from dash screen to the center screen is dangerous to the car and passengers. EV cars and battery technology have a long way to go. If you can't just get in a car and drive, in my opinion is just not worth buying. I will stick to my hybrid car
@2013AirForce
Жыл бұрын
Bjørn Nyland tested the new sw and talked at length about the improved DCFC throttling logic. It works on a point system and he called it “Punishment Points”. Pretty interesting once you know the logic, you can count “Punishment Points” in order to plan your trip. Still a ridiculous system but power users are starting to figure it out.
@chunkychuck
Жыл бұрын
We'll have to see how the new software is with the CATL battery too.
@bill_heywood
Жыл бұрын
Bjorn enjoys that sort of detail, but ordinary drivers will avoid all the issues by simply not buying this useless car
@davidmenasco5743
Жыл бұрын
BZ4X power users. What a concept.
@LearningFast
Жыл бұрын
Nobody does testing procedures as well as Kyle. Thank you for the extra effort you put in to make sure these tests are as accurate as possible.
@letsgobrandon5800
Жыл бұрын
Bjorn does better
@aurelio-reymilaorcabal9669
Жыл бұрын
Maybe for US But for Europe Bjorn Nyland does a very comprehensive test .
@LearningFast
Жыл бұрын
@@letsgobrandon5800 Bjorn puts in fudge factors like subtracting time when he feels like the Charger took longer than he likes. He doesn’t keep his procedures consistent at all. He guesstimates on way too many things.
@letsgobrandon5800
Жыл бұрын
@@LearningFast is that why he has a ton more subscribers than Kyle? Asking for a friend.
@scottbreseke716
Жыл бұрын
@@letsgobrandon5800 I think the EU demanded a larger subscriber count.
@donnmckinnon
Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate all you do Kyle to keep us informed about all things EV. We test drove a long range Model Y. It was very impressive and we will probably make the jump soon. I have a 12 year old Toyota ICE Highlander now and at 79 years old, I'm ready to make the move to EV. It seems to me that Tesla has by far the best DC charging infrastructure. They seem to make the most sense right now
@DefundTheFringes
7 ай бұрын
Just beware of Tesla reliability, which hopefully Toyota will beat with greater EV range in the future.
@bkanegson
5 ай бұрын
NACS charging in question now that the muskhole has fired the entire network building team, 500 people, in the last couple days. That said, there are also still other networks to choose from, and home charging is the go-to unless road tripping anyway.
@jlamarmiller
Жыл бұрын
Very good review. I have the Subaru version of this car (Solterra Limited) and love it, for the reasons you said while driving this car. The ride is great and it is very comfortable. Some people have commented that they don't like the display that is in front of the steering wheel, but for me it is one of my favorite things about the car. I knew going in that the range wasn't that great and the charging was slow. But for my lifestyle, charging at home is almost 100% of what I will be doing. I think the Limited version of the Solterra (Premium is the entry and Touring is the top trim) is just at the right price point. When I bought it (mid-May) it was about 5-7k less than either the cheapest AWD Model Y (they have since dropped in price) and the cheapest AWD Ioniq 5 or EV6. The only things close to it were the ID4 and Mach-E (which was nearly impossible to get close to where I live), and I liked the looks of the Solterra better than the ID4. So for me, it was the cheapest way to get into an AWD EV SUV, and I have had no regrets since buying it. Mine was also made later than the ones during the recall, so the battery problem hasn't been a factor for me.
@marcg1686
Жыл бұрын
The Mach E driver is obviously an ex BMW driver. Judging by the way he parked
@TeslaRyan
Жыл бұрын
My 2014 Tesla Model S P85D got 213.5mi last time I did a 70mph range test and charged from 0 - 100% in 1 hour and 54 minutes (with a broken louvre). Congrats Toyota, you're where Tesla was 9 years ago 🤣
@michaels3003
Жыл бұрын
You are conveniently forgetting the price difference (in today's inflated dollars).
@davidmenasco5743
Жыл бұрын
Hmmm. How much was Model S P85D in 2014, and how much would that be worth today? And what's the actual selling price (after dealer markup) of BZ4X in the version that Kyle tested? I'm guessing those two numbers will be pretty close. But for a much fairer comparison, look at Model S 85, without the P and the D. I'll bet that comes out about the same as upper trim BZ4X after inflation adjustment.
@BA-ht8bg
Жыл бұрын
@@davidmenasco5743 funny you guys compare apple to orange, if you wanna compare, then its Model X not Model S. And no the prices wont be even close specially with the “inflation”.
@davidmenasco5743
Жыл бұрын
@@BA-ht8bg Oops!! I was thinking backwards on the inflation, lol. But still, the 2014 Model S 85 has longer range, faster charging and actually almost the same cargo space with seats up, and MORE with seats folded down. Plus a big frunk. You can find them on sale used today for around $23,000. If you bought one, you could replace the battery and suspension and come out with a better car for the same price as a new BZ4X. But then again, the battery would be fine for another several years so really no need to fuss with that.
@BA-ht8bg
Жыл бұрын
@@davidmenasco5743 like i was saying, you cant compare apple with orange, model S is not a SUV, model x is, and it costed twice as bz4x back in 2014. And no sane person will buy a used model s and pay $20k to replace battery, with a big chance of many other important and expensive components be needing replacement like drive motors, AC compressor, suspension parts…
@rosmarin2438
Жыл бұрын
Garbage car by a company stuck in the mindset of GM in the 1980’s
@marcg1686
Жыл бұрын
A company making cars for countries where EVs won't be a thing for the next 20 years.
@DefundTheFringes
7 ай бұрын
60-65 MPH is ideal for people willing to admit that energy resources are finite. A sane nation would end the 80 MPH speed limit. Too much fuel/juice is being wasted on impatience.
@alohadave13
Жыл бұрын
At 29 minutes of the video, the rear windows don't work? What? The ultimate crappy car. Buying a Tesla or an ID 4 seems to be the best option...
@Huskerj1000
Жыл бұрын
Another great effort and video. I've owned only Toyota vehicles for the past 40 years. Recently bought a GV60 and sold our 2010 RX350. Current trends at Toyota will probably end our future purchases of their vehicles. As a retired person in the late 50s, the GV60 fits our lifestyle perfectly. Our recent trip from Los Angeles to Yosemite, was the first of many EV adventures to come.
@ggpaul562
Жыл бұрын
Great review! Wish we had seen this sooner as we just bought a BZ4X last week. Nevertheless, we absolutely love the car. We knew that the range was a lot smaller compared to the other direct competitors out there, and that the charging may be a bit slower (?) but I wonder if there's a new update or will be a new update for that. For what it's worth, we got the car about $13,000 below MSRP. They applied the $7,500 credit in California so that's a win, and we got it for the invoice price from the dealer. So from a financial standpoint, it made sense, as the monthly payment was a lot cheaper (more than half) in comparison to a Tesla. With that said, the good thing is we don't travel far that often. When we do, it's like once every 3 months. I think this car is great for us given that I work from home most of the time, and when I'm at the office it's literally 8 miles away. The same for my fiance, her job is literally 8-10 miles away 3x a week. We're even using a level 1 at home (for now), and we're able to get the car at 90% the next morning. In regards to far drives, the good news is I love taking breaks (I have IBS - sorry for TMI), so I don't mind hanging out for a bit charging the car.
@robertf3340
10 ай бұрын
I’m in Calif as well. Where did you buy the car? 13k below MSRP? That’s unheard of nowadays
@ggpaul562
10 ай бұрын
@@robertf3340 north Hollywood!
@robertf3340
10 ай бұрын
@@ggpaul562 Thanks for the info brother. Have a blessed day
@Rampage1979
10 ай бұрын
Still a fantastic car and now after the latest update it charges faster and the range is improved
@robertf3340
8 ай бұрын
@user-ru2he7tm2t they have several of them at my local dealer. We don’t want one
@windowman9665
Жыл бұрын
Why anyone would buy this Ev over any of the competitors I have no idea. 8 KW took two hours? That’s insane. The whole car sucks compared to competitors. Only Toyota fan boys or girls should buy this garbage
@justinfowler2857
Жыл бұрын
Toyota: See? EV cars suck. Everyone else: Hydrogen cars suck.
@Paul-cj1wb
Жыл бұрын
Toyota is trying to prove their point: "EVs suck. Look, they can only charge on DC for 2 or 3 times before they stop charging. Hybrids and Hydrogen are so much better." If only they can convince the other EV manufacturers to restrict their EVs to do the same, it could work. NOT!!!!!!!
@wolfgangpreier9160
Жыл бұрын
😂🤣👍
@simson4t
Жыл бұрын
Such an ignorant take. Toyota plays it safe. Their brand Image is reliability and longevity. They rather lose customers from slow charging, then early battery issues. So they use conservative battery management and give one million kilometers warranty on the battery pack.
@gustavomercado1599
Жыл бұрын
@@simson4t but what's the point of wanting to deliver those claims if almost no-one drive such mileage? It would have been better to give the customers an option for speed or longevity like Porsche does
@wolfgangpreier9160
Жыл бұрын
@@simson4t "So they use conservative battery management and give one million kilometers warranty on the battery pack." Yes, thats why they are being bought in Norway. But the norwegians do not have problems with their batteries. Never had any. Toyota already faces major lawsuits because they can not keep their promises, not with charging, not wieth range, not with power and certainly not with rust free. They do not need "conservative battery management", which is of course Humbug.
@petehelme7714
Жыл бұрын
BMW has similar DC fast charge restrictions.
@dman3526
Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind, Toyota is guaranteeing 90% capacity over 10 years. This is why the battery performance does not match some of the other competitors out there
@letsgobrandon5800
Жыл бұрын
29:55 gives the answer, 212 miles, which is close to what Bjorn got out of this.,…..,absolutely pitiful range compared to others in its class.
@SkaBob
Жыл бұрын
Yes you can beat it with a Bolt for half the price.
@aniruddhaiyengar8788
Жыл бұрын
@@SkaBob Also 2 kW at 95%? What the hell was Toyota thinking with this car????
@matthewprather7386
Жыл бұрын
Eco climate probably turns on the seat cooler because it's more efficient to cool just your butt than it is to cool the whole cabin!
@DocDave88
8 ай бұрын
Hey @OutofSpecReviews. Just read on InsideEVs that the 2024 BZ4X AWD models now charge at 150KW and have retuned charging software. Hoping you could do a review to see if this shows any improvement in previous poor showings.
@vmstranger
Жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh - I knew from all the conversations that the charging scenarios for the Soltera/BZ4X twins was bad but, hold crap - that's just unbelievably poor
@MisterGerdy
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic test by Kyle as usual. I feel sorry for the North American market and the CATL battery packs. The UK Spec AWD is Panasonic and is a superior experience. That DC charging to 100% at the star of the video was horrible. AC charging to 100% is much faster on the Panasonic pack. My average for June so far is 4.2miles/kWh with about 250miles range (usually with ECO on and AC off). I got the software update 3 weeks ago - the guessometer / climate control / AC is now more accurate and I think we they moved about 3% of reserve into the main battery. I should say that I rarely do motorway miles and that so far I'm loving the BZ4X experience.
@tazeat
Жыл бұрын
OEMs don't seem to get that the numbers that matter for EV viability/practicality have very little to do with the vehicles performance, it's all about the charging. Infrastructure and charge performance are everything. Now don't get me wrong, the vehicles matter, that's the other half of the equation, but when you're targeting the "practical" market, you can't just ignore the most important part. This car is going to flop unfortunately imo.
@banhcuondj9690
Жыл бұрын
Worst electric car I've ever seen
@Charlesbjtown
Жыл бұрын
Definite HARD PASS on this thing. It's almost like they went out of their way, to make it as bad as it is. And what's with these reviewers using Celsius?? We don't use that over here.
@SkaBob
Жыл бұрын
I think they made a half assed EV just to discourage people from buying EV. Something you would never have heard in 2015....Glad I bought my Hyundai and not a Toyota.
@barryw9473
Жыл бұрын
I believe Leaf deg is primarily due to poor chemistry and no charge limit. My e-Golf has no active cooling, either, but I daily charge to 80% or 90% and after 5 years and 55,000 miles the pack has about 8% deg.
@lyfandeth
Жыл бұрын
It cost you $3 but cost you two hours? What's minimum wage out there? (Ahem)
@roejogan292
Жыл бұрын
For me, my time is worth far more than money.
@bill_heywood
Жыл бұрын
$52k for a measly 213 miles? I just checked the Out of Spec range test for the Bolt EV in May 2020 and it went 229 miles - a car that Tom Moloughney from the State of Charge channel is buying brand new for $16k. How can Toyota release a brand new model that cannot go as far as one you can buy for $36k less and was released in 2016? Toyota are a joke
@vimalandrew2008
Жыл бұрын
Toyota wants your car to last forever. Thats why they are doing this. Your tesla will be in the dumbyard after a few years with fast charging and great range., but then bz4x will simply in the roads.
@mattbatt0
Жыл бұрын
The overhead 360 camera fills in the parking lot under the car? That's a pretty cool feature! Watch at the 8:55 mark. 8:55
@thomasbechard
10 ай бұрын
Is it possible that eco mode is cooling the seats because that's more efficient than cooling all of the air?
@broosewee
Жыл бұрын
This car should not exist. Considering their new leadership and direction, Toyota will drop this car like a bad habit soon.
@pkwoodworking
Жыл бұрын
Same price as a Tesla model Y? It should be better than it is.
@LearningFast
Жыл бұрын
This is more expensive than the equivalent Model Y.
@johnbryja3849
Жыл бұрын
@@LearningFast lol😅
@wolfgangpreier9160
Жыл бұрын
@@LearningFast When it costs more it must be better. I just can‘t find the points which make it better. But maybe i am not a Toyota Fanboy? Oh well. Nobody is perfect.
@andyzegerman
Жыл бұрын
Let's hope that no rental company is ever thinking of getting those added to their EV fleet. For somebody that only charges at home and only drives within the neighborhood that car might be an option. For anybody else, especially trying to replace their ICE car, it would be a "stay away from this" recommendation.
@FuncleChuck
Жыл бұрын
Is there a more disappointing BEV for sale today? I kind of doubt it.
@alohadave13
Жыл бұрын
I'm now at 21 minutes on this video and it's still a crappy car. Obviously Toyota is not remotely serious about creating a decent EV. What a travesty for the world's biggest auto manufacturer with decades of reliable autos. Very disappointing.
@davelavigne2133
Жыл бұрын
This car is a modern POS. my hyundai ioniq 5 will ac charge and peg at 11.3 kwh up to 100% which is the max of my ac charger. When can we shame people at fast chargers that have these crappy cars? This car is the equivalent of a gas car where someone just ticks off the fill with .01 gallon a sec.
@newscoulomb3705
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Kyle. Not too far off of EPA, which is really my standard for EVs at this point. Getting close to EPA Combined miles at 70 mph steady driving speeds should really be the minimum bar.
@creolerican
Жыл бұрын
5hours to charge?… where are all Toyota haters and the Media slamming Toyota on a daily basis? Oh, I get it. Doing so won’t get clicks
@darrenorange2982
Жыл бұрын
Please do the 10% challenge on the Bolt EV!!!
@LearningFast
Жыл бұрын
Seeing how bad this car is for drivetrain and charging I can see why Toyota thinks EVs aren’t the complete future. Too bad for them everyone else is light years ahead of them.
@TheJ1s
Жыл бұрын
You can get an Kia Evo 6 GT with that same range but at least have a nice performance vehicle.
@alohadave13
Жыл бұрын
I'm 7 minutes into this video. What a crappy car. I would never buy one...
@Geckogold
Жыл бұрын
Like Kyle mentioned, this will likely be a great deal as a used car if you can get it for 1/2 to 2/3rds of what it cost new. But for the price you pay to get a new one, there are so many other better EV's out there that unless you badly want a Toyota EV, you should just get one of those alternatives he mentioned like the Mach-E, Model Y, Ioniq 5, or EV6. This car should've came out back in 2018 at the latest if Toyota wanted it to sell well.
@johnbryja3849
Жыл бұрын
No over the air update? What year is this?
@wolfgangpreier9160
Жыл бұрын
Toyota.
@wingsounds13
Жыл бұрын
The BiZzy ForX is all forked up... if you NEVER need to use it for a trip then it looks to be okay, though the user interface looks to be way behind the competition. As noted its features and functions do not match up with comparably priced EVs available today. Toyota has placed themselves WAY behind the game in the EV world. If they don't step up their game really fast they're going to be in deep trouble as the industry leaves them behind.
@michalwilk8135
Жыл бұрын
Tested by Bjorn Nyland Norway after update. 140 kw charging sppeed 3,8 per day. It is perfect now. Could be better ofcours.
@deejay4922
Жыл бұрын
I'm 4+ mins into this & my conclusion is that toyo has dropped the ball. What a joke.
@letsgobrandon5800
Жыл бұрын
Bjorn calculated 5 kWh hours available below a stated zero. He actually got less than 212 miles, but very close.
@ChristianBehnke
Жыл бұрын
lol @ the Mach-E driver's parking job.
@radioa3sthetic
Жыл бұрын
even at 70mph in California they are running you over if they see you in a electric car
@sp1nrx
Жыл бұрын
This is why I don't use I-5 when going north. I-5 is like Talledega on 2 lanes with unskilled drivers. I hate I-5 north of Bakersfield...
@letsgobrandon5800
Жыл бұрын
No one drives 70 mph any more. 80 is de rigeur.
@robert5008
Жыл бұрын
This car is so bad it makes Vin Fast look great.
@nickpontoski
Жыл бұрын
When you talk to Toyota, you should really make them aware this car is WAY overpriced. I think the price should start similar to the new Prius. If the car was $15k to $20k cheaper, it would be a no brainer!
@joemartino6976
Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised at the technical shortfall for Toyota. My BMW i4 gets up to 4.1 miles/kwh (vs 3 for the Toyota).
@alanmay7929
Жыл бұрын
Toyota is still upgrading the car Björn Nyland has shown that in his tests recently
@Harrythehun
Жыл бұрын
@@alanmay7929 Still pure junk. No update can save this disaster of a car.
@bavariancarenthusiast2722
Жыл бұрын
@@alanmay7929 This is still a dev platform - for customers - for the next generation they should be much better
@alanmay7929
Жыл бұрын
@@Harrythehun yeah that’s what a kid can say! Your tesla didn’t get there in one day so keep talking trash! I’m not a fan of either brand but improvement is what works so cheers!!
@Harrythehun
Жыл бұрын
@@alanmay7929 it’s not about fandom. Facts don’t lie.
@tachyon5321
Жыл бұрын
Two hours charging time is stupid because my time must be worth a lot more than yours.
@MrNicholg
Жыл бұрын
And somehow Subaru will try to market this as a capable off-road adventure machine.
@Hogtown1986
Жыл бұрын
It’ll be an adventure alright LOL
@MrNicholg
Жыл бұрын
The worst dash display in the industry.
@CrazyWeeMonkey
Жыл бұрын
hey I mean at least it has one!
@rosmarin2438
Жыл бұрын
It’s the worst car in the industry
@ju4121
Жыл бұрын
Don't buy then lol I don't like electric car but until, I'll keep buy ice cars
@robert5008
Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of a pin ball machine. Flippers are optional.
@amjads8971
Жыл бұрын
Better than Tesla trash
@DrEarbuds
Жыл бұрын
Texas Plate : "Get 666" Really Toyota ?
@lyfandeth
Жыл бұрын
In the 80's, both Toyota and Honda had a 3 gallon "reserve" when the gas guage said dead empty. On those cars, it meant some 90 more miles at highway speed. (Toyota said this was because if the fuel ran that low, the pump might suck air from the tank, causing backfires and catalyst damage.) But still, they were building in a generous reserve past "empty".
@letsgobrandon5800
Жыл бұрын
In this case it’s about 5 kWh of “ reserve”…..which is only good for about 15 or so miles.
@Franky73-Canada
21 күн бұрын
Great video! like and subscribed!
@SkaBob
Жыл бұрын
A few years ago you would never hear someone saying - glad I bought my Kia or Hyundai and not a Toyota - but not the case now. Our Ioniq 5 seems so much better in about every way, build, range, charging speed, software and power... I have already seen bz4x's showing up in carmax ads with under 2000 miles so people are giving them 2-3 months and saying nope...
@mysteryboyee
11 ай бұрын
You still won't other then idiots who forget the most important part: it's a toyota, it'll outlive the planet itself, id trust a kia/Hyundai as far as I could throw it, same for all the other bev manufacturers
@adamneill9237
5 ай бұрын
@@mysteryboyee that's fine but you haven't driven the Ioniq 5, Ioniq 6, Kia EV6, Genesis GV60, & GV70. South Koreans have executed on BEV's, you can choose to believe it, or not.
@l0b0m0
Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the effort and lengths you go to for all of your testing videos Kyle. You are genuinely the man. Regarding this car though, I seriously don't see how anyone could recommend this car. The price and the charging are terrible. Really terrible! You and Mckayla(sp?) weren't even impressed with the interior materials and the software is another let down. Strike after strike after strike, Hard pass!
@chrisak49
Жыл бұрын
Toyota, Nissan, and Hyundai/Kia dropped the ball on EVs. All sell their cars through dealers with massive markups and don’t qualify for $7500 tax credit.
@MrNicholg
Жыл бұрын
When GM has discontinued the Bolt, which put up arguably better numbers for about $25K, this is 100% DOA for anyone paying attention. A neighbor just bought a Nissan Ariya, so I guess there will always be a sucker out there though.
@wolfgangpreier9160
Жыл бұрын
He will defend his choice of junk till his death. Humans are incapable of admitting defeat or wrong decisions.
@letsgobrandon5800
Жыл бұрын
Just like the Fiero and EV1, leave it up to GM to phuc it up once they create a decent vehicle. Bunch of dummies.,.,
@ben3989
Жыл бұрын
People don’t understand any of this stuff maybe basic range but kw hours? Mi/kw? They don’t really understand these things.
@wolfgangpreier9160
Жыл бұрын
@@ben3989 Then they will either learn it or always be scammed and loose all of their money. Either you learn the lingo, stay out of the business or get buggered and ridiculed by everyone else. kWh = the capacity of your battery. The amount you charge (+), the amount you use while driving (-) mi/kWh = how far you can go with one load. kW = Power, the more the better h = one hour mi = one mile 10-80% the usual range in which you charge your car. Not below 10% not above 80%. Why? To maintain a long lasting battery. They do not ever want to go to zero and stay there - if you do that you destroy your battery, which usualy means you destroy your car. And in extreme cases of mishandling your batteries you may destroy your house. They do not want to stay @ 100% - except for LFP type batteries, but they are currently rarely used. Again: If you do that too often you destroy your battery and in extreme cases your garage and house. The Germans have a nice saying to that "Steht er dann lädt er". Which means every time your car is parked and can be plugged in - you plug it in and charge to 80 or 90%. I always charge to 90% with my Teslas, they are good enough for less safety. And the standard Teslas have LFP batteries and can be charged to 100% permanently without giving you troubles. Learn this or stop using a car by yourself.
@rbs427
Жыл бұрын
Toyota ought to be ashamed of themselves just a Tesla.
@enzodarro179
Жыл бұрын
Kyle..Toyota wants the charging experience to be SO BAD that you buy a their ICE cars....in my opinion.
@jeagleAL
Жыл бұрын
@michalwilk8135 3 months ago Tested by Bjorn Nyland Norway after update. 140 kw charging sppeed 3,8 per day. It is perfect now. Could be better ofcours.
@terryferrier3039
Жыл бұрын
People wont buy Toyota ICE....they'll go elswhere to a different brand
@Wised1000
Жыл бұрын
Utterly unacceptable. Toyota and Subaru should withdraw this car from the market. Worse EV performance than a Bolt for twice the price and, let's face it, the Bolt is already being replaced basically because its obsolete. Toyota should be ashamed, no one should buy this car for any other purpose than an errand getter.
@andrewt9204
Жыл бұрын
As with heating, more efficient to direct more AC to the seats rather than the cabin.
@Skylancer727
5 ай бұрын
The number on the dash seems to be based on the total fuel economy of the vehicle. I have the 2023 Prius with a similar range estimate, having done some idling shortly after I got it drastically dropped what that estimate says and it has slowly gone up since then even when my trips get identical fuel economies.
@VishnuKamath
2 күн бұрын
I was going to buy thing. Thank fully I didn't. Toyota has made a frustrating EV. It may be ok for In-City Driving but i'd not take it on a road trip.
@CHINGON562
8 ай бұрын
I bought the bz4x in April 2023 brand new. I used to get a range of at least 225 fully charged. It’s now January 2024 and I’m only getting 185 fully charged. It has not even been a year and the miles are dropping. Is this normal for a EV? Is there something I could do to bring that number back up?
@bopinthewap
7 ай бұрын
I feel ya man 🤦🏾♂️ maybe raise tire pressure to 44 psi or higher. And try draft with adaptive cruise control behind a semi. These two things make/made a world of a difference in my long range driving 😊
@reuveng1960
Жыл бұрын
How Toyota released such a crappy car?
@buckymoto1784
Ай бұрын
surely once the car drops to 3kw in Dc it would make sense to change over to AC. My egolf charges at full 7kw right up to almost 98% when it starts to throttle back
@rwjr1944
Жыл бұрын
You are too kind, Kyle. Toyota needs to work hard to improve this car with serious updates.
@LearningFast
Жыл бұрын
I would love to see you test out how motor and battery temperature affect efficiency. Yes, low battery temperatures reduce efficiency but through some testing I have done it also looks like high motor temperatures and even high battery temperatures will reduce efficiency. At least with a Tesla vehicle fast charging right before the test is detrimental to the efficiency. When you Precondition at home with scheduling it always tries to maintain temps between 70-80 degrees F. That is actually the ideal temperatures for efficiency. However, if you precondition for supercharging then the motor and battery temps can exceed 130 degrees F even after you are done charging. I would love to see you test this.
@michaels3003
Жыл бұрын
You should upgrade the scanner software to send some $$ to the developer(s). They deserve it.
@Martinm210
Жыл бұрын
I still can't get over the 84kw DC is the best it's ever done and requires below 0% indicated. A Chevy Bolt with 6 year old tech will 0-100% charge faster without capping the # of DC charges per day. I enjoyed my old ice toyotas reliability but wow that's such a shame. I don't think I'll be buying any Toyota EVs until they are reasonable for road tripping. Pardon me while I bury my toyota fan self head in the sand. I'm now an older Tesla model 3 standard range and one prius owner and so glad I didn't wait for and buy this. I was really hopeful Toyota would have done better considering how long they have been in the hybrid biz. Come on Toyota, you can do way better than this.
@jeagleAL
Жыл бұрын
Read this above: @michalwilk8135 3 months ago Tested by Bjorn Nyland Norway after update. 140 kw charging sppeed 3,8 per day. It is perfect now. Could be better ofcours.
@default7950
9 ай бұрын
@@jeagleAL That's with a Panasonic battery pack that has a 150kW charging capacity, not the CATL pack that only supports 100kW (though it is SEVERELY throttled by Toyota software).
@RRooooooNNNN
Жыл бұрын
9:15 I laughed at that Mach-e Parking two spots 🤣
@jlamarmiller
Жыл бұрын
I would also like to say that going from an ICE car to the Solterra was an easy transition.
@amishhurricane
Жыл бұрын
How does Toyota expect to compete with performance like this.
@tomgnyc
Жыл бұрын
Toyota was far ahead with HEVs but massively dropped the ball on EVs. Disastrous mistake.
@jacquelinecracchiolo925
11 ай бұрын
When you do the math for example with a Tesla you'll be buying tires every 6 months charging a Tesla at a supercharger is not cheap getting parts for your Tesla only the Tesla dealer they got a good scam going on at Tesla why do most people after about a year end up trading in their Tesla's and go back to gasoline vehicles that's a fact
@feedthemachine99
12 күн бұрын
Imagine just being able to swap out for a fully charged battery ..Hmmmm,I heard someone is doing that very thing.
@arknu
Жыл бұрын
I actually saw one on the road here in Denmark, though I really don't get why anyone would buy this car. Toyota really screwed up here. They now have a really bad reputation to fight for their next EV...
@train21
Жыл бұрын
Imagine if that charging station was pay by the minute. Toyota really needs to address this issue with the charging.
@davidhanson3345
4 ай бұрын
What is with the back windows not working? Toyota QC has dropped to a new low. Living in ND, I couldn't get to a large town and back. I wonder if 30 below zero would make a difference in mileage? This car is a disaster. $50,000 is an outrage. Not for me.
@h7opolo
11 ай бұрын
practice your pronunciation of words beginning with "al" such as "always" and "almost". you are saying "oh-ways" and "oh-most."
@Bopet-dn4yk
Жыл бұрын
This was a great test but now I wonder if the typical HVAC wasn't used - how much more range. I have had my BZ for a year. No regrets whatsoever. Typical Toyota to be conservative on every parameter to extend vehile life and enhance reliability. They do this on evey ICE vehicle but guess what, once you modify and tune it, a ton more available "under the hood" - at the expense of reliability, of course. I keep my cars for at least 10 years. I have the same goal for the BZ. This philosophy didn't change with the BZ. I learned how to not drive it like an ICE vehicle, use the heated steering wheel, radiant heaters, heated/cooled seats instead of the typical cabin climate control. AC is okay to use since it doesn't use as much energy as a heater. Leverage alternative ways to stay comfortable - it isn't an ICE vehicle, after all. I have almost 12k miles on mine. It is very comfortable on long commutes. The most practical vehicle I have owned. Stays within well marked lanes, quiet, smooth, and just a joy to drive. Its infotainment is okay, but that is always the case with every Toyota I have owned. It is a non-factor to me because I use Andorid Auto. Yes charging is slow but with the way I drive it, 140 to 200 mile round-trip commutes are not a problem. Hop on the DC fast charger for half an hour while I have my lunch for extra security and get home comfortably without any performance limitations. I am averaging 3.3 miles per kW. It is just a matter of time a software update is available to improve charging performance or a 3rd party figured out how to "tune" the charging algorithm at the expense of the 10 year warranty on the battery. I have also had zero issues with my BZ since the recall too. It is just as dependable as my Tacoma, Sienna, and past Toyotas.
@bill_heywood
Жыл бұрын
You shouldn’t have to baby a $52k car in order for its performance to be barely acceptable. If I’m cold in my EV, I turn the heating on until I’m comfortable. But then again it has decent range to start with and doesn’t charge at a snail’s pace. And you have 10 years of this nonsense to get through, bizarre choice
@Bopet-dn4yk
Жыл бұрын
@bill_heywood I don't baby it at all I just use alternative means of staying comfortable. With the alternative means of heating, I am rather comfortable. With the typical means of staying warm, it actually works so well it gets a bit stuffy, but it is rather wasteful - energy wise. Alternative means to warm the cabin is required since as you maybe know, it takes a lot of energy to create heat without an ICE. It is what it is, can't beat physics.
@bill_heywood
Жыл бұрын
@@Bopet-dn4yk I’m glad you are a happy owner and it works for you. I still think it is seriously compromised due to poor decisions and implementation by Toyota and is wildly overpriced
@Bopet-dn4yk
Жыл бұрын
@bill_heywood Yup, very happy customer here. Works exactly for my needs. The best part for you, you have options, Hyundai, VW, BMW, MB, Porsche, Nissan, Lucid, Rivian, and Tesla. I am sure you can find one that fits your needs and budget.
@bill_heywood
Жыл бұрын
@@Bopet-dn4yk I’m in the UK so I have even more options than that (but no Rivian or Lucid). I’m a happy MG4 driver 😊
@ተክለእስቲፋኖስ
2 ай бұрын
Don’t waste your money until they bring 350-500 miles. I have bz4x and I planing to back to gas or hybrid
@michaelshaffer4005
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your coverage of these issues-good job! I’ve seen you use an OBD2 app for monitoring EV battery and charging system variables. Is either the OBD adapter or the app special with regard to EV monitoring? Please advise…
@natehoy6924
Жыл бұрын
He mentioned the name of the app in the video, but I've used Torque Pro to monitor my Chevy Bolt before. You do have to teach the software what messages on the CAN bus mean what things and that can be a little unusual with EVs - there are published PID lists for several bits of software out there and more EV-centric software already looks for them. Any OBD2 adapter that is compatible with your phone is likely fine. All EVs send signals on the CAN bus that a basic adapter can understand - even Tesla (though in a Tesla you will require a sub-$20 hardware adapter to hook up a standard OBD2 reader).
@Snafu2346
22 күн бұрын
a lot of these used are going for 20-25k with around 10k-30k miles. Worth it then?
@jacquelinecracchiolo925
11 ай бұрын
Charging any electric car can be a big problem my friend had an electric car for a year he says never again will he ever buy an electric car broken chargers people blocking the chargers power outages he said you can have it never again you can keep them electric golf carts brother
@RWBHere
Жыл бұрын
It seems to me that Toyota have done almost everything that they could to make owning one of those things a bad experience. It's clearly a compliance car which they don't want to sell. Software is poor, with convoluted menus (resetting it meant that you had to zero three different systems...), it doesn't tell you much about SOC or recharging speeds, the car has a number of random glitches, the recharging speeds are glacial, the efficiency is mediocre, various basic user options require multiple actions. It's also hard to find here and expensive to buy. I run an entry level Renault Zoe with 52 kWh of available battery. At 70mph it averages 4.6 miles per kWh, giving a range to indicated 0% of 239 miles. I see more than 275 miles routinely with everyday driving. Maximum recharging speed is only 46 kW, but with a faster recharging speed at the top end of the battery, it's no big deal. Software doesn't show recharging speeds, only the percentage SOC, but the menus are far simpler, and everything you need to drive the car is available on a button, lever or knob, with less important options available via simple menus from push buttons on the steering wheel. After more than 2 years of driving, the only glitch was an A/C compressor which became noisy and was replaced under warranty. And the car was available immediately at under ⅔ the price of the BZ4, before any price negotiation. If I had the need for another EV, it would be a Model 3 SR with LFP battery.
@maximemineault8117
Жыл бұрын
I can’t conceive why they are doing the same mistakes that manufacturers did previously with their first ev. It’s like they are in their bubble and not seeing what’s happening in the rest of the world. Amazing
@bkanegson
5 ай бұрын
OMG. Some networks charge for time, not just consumed power. This vehicle could get insanely expensive for someone who must DC charge in an area that has this metric for fees.
@QCCHARGE
Жыл бұрын
Hi Kyle. The Toyota bZ4X, Subaru Solterra and Lexus RZ450e all have 64 kWh usable available. That is for a NEW condition battery at a normal operating temperature. Cars sold new in North America with All Wheel Drive (AWD) have CATL cells in the battery, and tend to charge at these ridiculously slow speeds (less than 100 kW), and the charging speed is DRASTICALLY reduced when the battery is cold. The bZ4X with Front Wheel Drive (FWD) has Panasonic cells, and will charge significantly faster (less than 150 kW) than the CATL cell battery. There is a software update for Europe that changes the “reserve” (when the Guess-O-Meter shows zero miles or km remaining) from 8% (about 5 kWh) battery capacity to 5% (about 3 kWh). The overall usable battery capacity remains 64 kWh. This software is NOT available in North America. The range would be, therefore ( depending on your energy consumption): 2 miles/kWh * 64 kWh = 128 miles 3 miles/kWh * 64 kWh = 192 miles 4 miles/kWh * 64 kWh = 256miles
@letsgobrandon5800
Жыл бұрын
The usable, if we include the 5 kWh reserve is probably closer to 68 kWh in the Bz. Total is about 72 or so. Toyota won’t let you totally dip into the capacity and “ run it dry”. Very conservative battery management.
@QCCHARGE
Жыл бұрын
@@letsgobrandon5800 , no, that’s not correct. 64 kWh is useable both before and after the software update. There is 8% “reserve” before the software update (not currently available in North America), which leaves about 59 kWh until the Guess-O-Meter (GOM) shows zero, and about 5 kWh “reserve”. For cars in Europe with the software update, the reserve is reduced to 5%, or about 3 kWh, which allows 61 kWh available until the GOM shows zero… MORE RANGE (but not really). No, there isn’t “68 kWh” available under ANY circumstance, but there may be 64 kWh available as the battery degrades. Toyota did a similar scheme with the 2012-2014 Toyota RAV4 EV.
@letsgobrandon5800
Жыл бұрын
@@QCCHARGE Bjorn’s car was approx 68-69 kWh pack usable , with total of about 72-73. His was not an American BZ4.
@robocash
Жыл бұрын
My R1T is similar with regard to GOM discrepancy between driver display and center display. The driver display, near as I can tell, is a range estimate based on what the Rivian *can* do (just a simple estimate based on overall range figures for a given mode and battery level) while the estimate in the NAV (during an active route/journey) is more accurate, and often at least 20% lower when doing the math than the driver display estimate (i.e., miles to destination + est miles remaining at destination is often well below the overall estimate range). I’m in the middle of a 2500 mile road trip in the R1T and this drives me nuts.
@davidkirkpatrick8343
Жыл бұрын
So used to watching in 4K, this 360p is definitely different
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Жыл бұрын
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