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@jeremydedrick4054
6 ай бұрын
Only time will tell if the $3000 savings is worth it based on how durable the Mossimo will be. That independent rear suspension is a huge plus for trail riders. For the gear noise/feel is it possible the Honda developed that over use? You should verify from a honda shop that it is normal to do that. And the power steering would make up probably at least half the price difference on these. Just guessing but if camo plastics cost $500 then power steering has got to add $1500 easy. Repair is a big consideration. We bought a few Chinese brand dirt bikes. Most shops won't waste their time. Lucky for us we found a local dealer that sells Chinese/Vietnamese bikes/ATVs and they were willing to do the work as long as I sources the parts. So any buyer of the TSC ATV needs to verify valid options for a nearby shop for repairs.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
All great points. Power steering would add about $600. Not terrible, but it adds up. We had a nice ride tonight up to see the sunset. It really is a nice machine. The Honda is my sons; he wouldn’t give up his Honda for anything. Lol
@trainstractorscarsandtruck7362
5 ай бұрын
There is room, just not from China and other countries in the region. Reliability just isn't there and may never be.
@JoeTheFarmer
4 ай бұрын
My 03 Kawi has the original “rubber band” sport. And these Linhai machines were partnered with Yamaha for years and have been built for decades. Extremely popular in the EU and other countries. But keep trolling buddy. I love when people have all the answers. Lol. 🤣👍🏼
@JoeTheFarmer
4 ай бұрын
Ok buddy. We get it. You like Honda.
@jaket3329
5 ай бұрын
All I know is the Honda rancher drive train is good for 50k miles, that keeps me pretty loyal
@tjt1992
6 ай бұрын
Grear comparison! Both are excellent machines! I just purchased a new 2023 Polaris 450 HO EPS, I chose that for the power steering, location of battery and Battery Tender plug in jack. Also the price $8,148.00 out the door. All three are great machines.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Congratulations man! Sounds like a winner!! Send me a pic if you don’t mind and I’ll share it in an upcoming video. 😁👍🏼
@bonesbyfield3959
6 ай бұрын
Hello, I have 3 Honda Rancher 400 AT with electric shift & Automatic 2x4 and 4x4. The electric shift on the handle bar is super smooth. I plow snow and ride the mountains of Colorado. Machines are 2004 2006 and 2007. I have not even changed tires yet. Mainly batteries and winches. I love how they push snow. When your new machine gets broke in, see if it shifts smooth as Honda does. Or even after the first oil change. Ride safe my friends.
@knightimusprime25
5 ай бұрын
if you go through alot of mud and water that electric shift will give ya fits
@justin_steen
6 ай бұрын
I can’t help myself but to rag on it just a little because I know a lot of people who’ve gotten screwed over with the cheaper ATVs and have ended up spending the same amount if not more fixing it, then just going ahead and getting a established brand, but then again, they’ve also gotten lucky and got a good ones so it really just comes down to your budget and what you need it for. I personally have had 15+ Hondas and a handful of Polaris and I can tell you out of the two of them. I would much rather have a Honda solely for the transmission because I personally do a lot of towing and pulling stuff with my four wheeler. And I have never had a problem with my transmission, but on a couple Polaris I had I’ve seen them burn belts because they were used to drag pastures, and they were kept at a consistent speed for a long time, and it wore a nice valley in the clutches and chewed up belts and that was surprisingly expensive to fix whereas my Honda has never had a problem doing it now keep in mind I have never had a DCT I’ve only had manual shifts and electric shifts so I can’t speak for them. And to talk about the plastics I think Honda was thinking ahead a little bit because you don’t have to remove a single screw bolt or push-pin to exposed the entire gas tank and side of the engine IMO it is superior just because it takes so little time to take them on and off. The last thing I would be concerned about is getting miscellaneous parts for it, would tractor supply be Parts dealer for them? Or would you have to order them online because I know my tractor supplies is a hell of a lot closer than my Honda dealership lol
@justin_steen
6 ай бұрын
Oh, and one more thing, what would the resale value be? I wouldn’t think it’d be high because of people being skeptical of an offbrand but on the other hand if they do takeoff, it probably would be pretty good? Just food for thought.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Great post, and appreciate your input. The parts are available at Massimo’s website. They have blown up diagrams with parts listed that can be bought. Linhai has a long reputation so parts availability shouldn’t be a problem. Oil and filters will be at TSC. But we shall see!
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Good points also. Honda resale is high. But I would think if not clapped out and running well, there’s a market. But wont be close to retail
@Visceral.
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the objective review. I purchased 2 MSA550 for my son and I after watching your video. I’m beyond impressed with the performance so far considering the competitive price point…$5820 each.
@JoeTheFarmer
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind comment my friend. I too am still loving the machine. For the money its hard to beat, and for the performance its value is great. Y’all stay safe!
@RichValentine1972
6 ай бұрын
Anyone on a budget should be looking at these and cfmoto. I grew up on Suzuki dirt bikes and quad as. And I would not hesitate to buy the Moimo or a Cfmoto.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Had a great time riding on it today. The Honda is my sons. He and I had a blast riding around the farm and then got the girls and watched the sun go down. I really like this bike. Nice machine... @cfmotoofficial looks like they make great machines too, haven’t been on one yet. Thanks for watching!
@poppymonroewild
6 ай бұрын
The two transmissions are completely different. Honda has that click because its a true transmission. The other one is a cvt. When working to tow or haul the honda will do twice as much and last forever.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Honda is definitely more complex. The Honda is an excellent machine, no arguing that. Thanks for watching!
@muhammad8970
5 ай бұрын
That honda is garbage
@willhutton1516
5 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmerfor reference, the Rincon 680 and the old body style foreman rubicon 500 have a hydraulic transmission. They produce more torque than any machine. Even geared ones. They are also extremely reliable, since they use engine oil (should you replace them at the right intervals) and it should last forever.
@joshc606
5 ай бұрын
Nothing wrong with a cvt in an atv. Id rather change a belt than clutches or trans.
@TheJohndeere212
5 ай бұрын
I have a 2013 Honda Rancher 420 4x4 and it has been very reliable and I am pleased with it.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Excellent machines.
@r1powersports755
2 ай бұрын
I am a Massimo dealer while some machines don't have the ride quality as others we have had very few issues with Massimo equipment I've been very impressed.
@JoeTheFarmer
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for weighing in. What are your favorites?
@r1powersports755
2 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer I really like the 750 or 760 models that have the 585cc motor.
@JoeTheFarmer
2 ай бұрын
Have had a lot of viewers buy them over the 550 and they love them.
@ShyaMiss
6 ай бұрын
I have a 2014 4x4 rancher that is now at a bit over 24k miles... nothing has ever broken on it. It is great on fuel, it starts and idles great always. No, its not fast, it isnt the smoothest ride, it doesnt have power steering, but it has been as reliable as an anvil. If only honda would play in the "fun" portion of the utility atv market...
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
I think your post sums up everything right, and wrong with Honda. They are so close. Thanks for watching.
@shawndale1552
5 ай бұрын
Those linhia/ Massimo machines are alright. I've had a 400 for 8 yrs now. No issues, just regular maintenance. I don't have efi on mine. I paid 3800 out the door. I also have a c force 1000 overland that is built out performance wise. Headers, tune, hesters elka shocks, stage 3 clutch and cold air intake. I dynoed 89hp. It's awesome boy's. I have $18,000 in the c force. Only my friends polaris 1000 scrambler beats me. Barely!!! But yes, if you want a regular machine to play around on get the Massimo. It's a decent machine. But certainly not a hi performance machine.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Great post. I think this machine is for the casual hunted/rider/farmer doing work and some play. Nothing like that beast you built! Be careful out there brother!!!
@rabbithomesteading3797
4 ай бұрын
Not atv related but side by side the honda pioneer was an awesome quite setup but had a similar transmission that I hated compared to the cvt brands. But I am a honda guy in the older semi automatic or manual transmission atc atv or dirtbikes. Going automatic you need a cvt.
@JoeTheFarmer
4 ай бұрын
Very well said. And I agree
@scpatriot5270
5 ай бұрын
Im 49 I've personally had Honda's continuously since 1983 my first was a atc 70 three wheeler in my opinion the honda all the way for durability and quality!👍
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Man the ATC!!! That color scheme was the best. Honda’s have earned the reputation which is why we are Honda buyers also. But…and a BIG but, are they still the best and do they earn the significant premium over lesser priced competition? Its a fair debate, but if Honda has treated you well I understand then loyalty. Appreciate you watching. 👊🏼
@kevinbell3263
6 ай бұрын
If I have the money Honda all day. When talking about the shifting you could mention whether it is bell or chain. I believe Honda still uses chain. While everyone and thier brother uses belt. Which also could explain your down hill test. Thank you for the video.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thanks Kevin, and no question you made a good purchase. I like them both, a lot. The shifting is just odd because you would think that would be more refined at that price point. But, every machine has its quirks. Appreciate your input.
@bigjay6743
6 ай бұрын
I'm with you on some not all the cheaper brands. All you're doing is paying for the name. I bought a cfmoto over 3 years ago with3500 miles now And the only problem I've had is a solenoid for the winch $20 back in the game. I have a hard time believing any of these newer machines will outlast their predecessors especially with all this computer crap. I just can't see you getting 30 years out of this new machines and if you do it's gonna be a lot of work You're not just gonna have to clean the carb put some fuel in the air up the tires and go that's for sure.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
I think you are very right on the electronics. The wiring harnesses alone are intimidating. An old Honda 300 with wires to the starter and lights will last because there isn’t much to break! Lol. Thanks for watching
@BigPoppaOnAQuad
6 ай бұрын
I have a 2009 Rancher. I DO wish my Rancher had lo gears for pushing deep snow, but other than that, no complaints.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Glad you have a machine you enjoy brother. Appreciate you watching.
@kalybnielsen4183
5 ай бұрын
The Honda has the knock between shifts because its and actual transmission, there isn't a stupid rubber band being used as a piss poor excuse for a transmission. There is absolutely no comparison between the 2
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
That rubber band is used in just about every premium atv and side by side on the market. And if it was executed properly, it wouldn't jolt as much as it does (especially on hills). I know machines my friend...I got a bunch of them. My Kawasaki prairie that is 21 years old still has the original cvt belt. It's a non issue. Honda is charging a lot for these machines; that should be smoother. To argue otherwise is silly. I could care less if people like the Honda or the Massimo; doesn't affect me either way. But Honda needs to do better.
@ejamsc
6 ай бұрын
Bought a '22 Hisun Tactic 400 with all the bells and whistles except power steering and diff lock for just over $6000. Its been a great machine running around my camp and plowing snow with no problem. I wanted a king quad but for rhe price and extras I had to give the Hisun a try. Also 2 year warranty.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thats great to know! Anytime people dog Hisun I think of how long Bill Winke has been rolling around on his Coleman/Hisun. Thanks for watching brother. 👊🏼
@ejamsc
6 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer 😆 good point!
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
😁👍🏼
@DougLoader-g9j
6 ай бұрын
There are many problems with the electric shift. The manual shifter is fine. I would buy the massimo,they have good products. I'm an arctic cat guy, I've owned several with no problems.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I should have qualified that our Arctic Cat is a 90cc carb machine. Everyone has outgrown it so it mostly sits now. Thanks for watching!
@conorpeth4106
29 күн бұрын
Thanks for the honest review! Appreciate it! :) Do you know if Massimo is using a CVT type transmission? Thinking that may be why it is smoother and not noticing shift points?
@JoeTheFarmer
28 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching. The massimo is a cvt transmission. It is very smooth.
@josephstroud-oj6tj
6 ай бұрын
I would go with Honda because of personal experience with tgem.being rode hard all the time swamped them many of times and just drain the air box and ride on the rest of the day or night
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Tough to kill for sure. Thanks for watching!
@ArizonaKid
6 ай бұрын
i love this stuff - im a big honda guy and have tons of vids on them - lots are for entertainment and sometimes hurts viewers feelings lol - AND I HAVE TO TELL THEM THIS IS JUST MY OPINION !!! just like this video is your opinion . Anyone remember good ole days when everyone didnt have a OPINION?? lol My true advice is just watch this video and make your own choice all of them are good and have there own plus and minus issues - oh and he is showing the trans shift and thats not all hondas lmao - foot shift sound different and so does auto - so just dont watch one video / research and go test drive one - most dealers allow it -and a good ole test drive will beat a youtube video any day . good luck everyone and stay safe on the trail
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Valid points. But on the transmission, the dct is the closest to auto that I have to compare. My Kawaski is cvt also but its 21 years old and no longer an option to buy. Heck: Honda hasn’t done much to upgrade in a decade. Lol. Still like the rancher for its size and there are some excellent features…question is; are they still worthy of such a premium. And 100% right; all my opinions and people are always welcome to respectfully disagree. Appreciate your input brother; and will check out your channel.
@ArizonaKid
6 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmerthank you and God Bless
@WillE454
2 ай бұрын
Fast forward a few decades and compare reliability. I have a 1990 Honda Fourtrax and it still runs and drives perfectly. Every Chinese atv I’ve come across won’t last.
@JoeTheFarmer
2 ай бұрын
Will, they said the same thing about "those Japanese" atv's in the 90's. And here we are. I have a Honda, Kawasaki, Arctic Cat and this Massimo and the Massimo is so far right on par with the others. If it had power steering at this price, I would buy it over the others.
@DuckbumSD
6 ай бұрын
I’ve never understood absolute brand loyalty get out try different things you may surprise yourselfs .
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
I can relate to being good to a brand that has treated you well; but I agree. There are WAY too many options out there these days. Especially when money is harder to come by these days. Appreciate you watching my friend.
@DuckbumSD
6 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer I’ve owned Fords Dodges several Toyota a couple Chevys and loved them all so variety can be good 👍
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Whoa. Now there is a can of worms! 🤣. I hear ya man. Got a lot of people worked up with the first atv video. I think it’s pretty awesome for the money. 🤷🏻♂️
@JoshuaOverman
6 ай бұрын
No just No 💀 the Honda is better I knew that before even clicking on this video
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Is it 30-40% more expensive better? Or like, 10% better? That is the ultimate question. Never questioned the quality of a Honda quad. I do question what they are charging for them these days.
@_DB.COOPER
6 ай бұрын
You want a lot of bang for your buck get a CF MOTO. I own 2 CF Motos and a Polaris, all three have been great machines but those CF Motos are a lot cheaper and come with a lot more standard accessories. Whatever you buy get out and ride. Life is short. Thanks.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
CF Moto makes some impressive machines. Would love to take the 1000 cc quad for a spin! Glad you have what you like. And you are right, whatever you buy…get out and use it!
@msharp6887
5 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmerI got an 800 cfmoto if you’re ever in. Florida
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Would be a fun test! Thanks man
@msharp6887
5 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer no problem.
@Alex420DT
4 ай бұрын
my 2024 CFMOTO 600 was $9k out the door, power steering, 4x4, locking diff
@JoeTheFarmer
4 ай бұрын
Wow, thats a good price but they sure are going up. Congrats on the new bike! I hear nothing but good things about @cfmotoofficial
@larrymcgarage2152
5 ай бұрын
Well, if tsc gave me one to try out, I would probably give it good review also. But you have to be honest with yourself. Dependability? Service? Availability of parts? Come to mind. It’s cheaper for a reason.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
If you think my integrity is worth an atv you have no business watching my channel.
@WeissRC
5 ай бұрын
Great comparison sir! 😎 Fair and unbiased... the only thing I would add is that it's "winch", not "wench". 😂😂😂 Sorry man, I had to...lol
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
😂. I'll take that. My pronunciations can be suspect at times. Lol. Thanks for watching my friend!
@WeissRC
5 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer 🫡
@JasPlun
5 ай бұрын
What I see is the Honda still running many years down the road and if anything needed repair it is easy to find a Honda place for parts and service. Massimo might be very good, but if it breaks it will be a real pain to find parts for. Personally I like Yamaha products:P
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
The Massimo is actually a Linhai. Linhai had a relationship with Yamaha for years and the setup is essentially a Yamaha clone. They apparently shared tech and manufacturing expertise. I like my 21 y/o Kawasaki...but the Massimo really is growing on me. If it was 700cc's I would be sold.
@JasPlun
5 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer I am not saying it will be a bad product, just going by experience with clones is they are good the 1st year or two, but then fall a part a lot sooner down the road. I would rather wait and see how they do year after year and if they hold up as well as Honda and Yamaha I would then probably buy one. Please keep us updated on how well it lasts and how reliable it is for you thanks!
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
@JasPlun Oh, I didn’t take it that way! I think your post was great. Massimo didn’t pay me to review but I do get to do a long term review so I will definitely keep you posted. And will call it straight! Appreciate you watching. 😁👍🏼👊🏼
@mileshiles1287
6 ай бұрын
Great review I give the Massimo the 👍 on looks and features.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thanks Dale! I agree with you. The longevity will need to be earned over time, but initial thoughts are that it's a really nice option. Hope all is well!
@mileshiles1287
6 ай бұрын
@JoeTheFarmer yes if you buy honda your buying reliability you pay for it though. You can get the T boss for about the same price as the honda. I believe in maintenance is the biggest key to longevity.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
I agree. Truth is, most people don’t want a side by side or atv to go 60 mph and take it through a swamp. They want reliable and affordable transportation off road. I would have zero concerns taking this atv in the woods. And as I showed, the seat is WAY more comfortable than the Rancher. The Honda is Clay’s. Hope I don’t owe him a royalty for using it! Lol
@mileshiles1287
6 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer he is the royalty!
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
@mileshiles1287 🤣🤣🤣. 🤴
@charleswelch249
5 ай бұрын
I love Honda but I will take anything with a better price and serviceability. You add independent suspension, better comfort and hand guards for your hands. Great comparison with the facts not to make money like a salesman.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching Charles, it is fun comparing machines. I don’t have a dog in the hunt which someone likes. Just fun to spark conversation. Take care!
@craigerskine3609
4 ай бұрын
I would get a Honda just for the fact that there are not many mechanics near where I live that will work on Chinese made machines.
@JoeTheFarmer
4 ай бұрын
Fair point
@scottyellis3442
6 ай бұрын
Personally I'd take the lockers over power steering anyway. My only two concerns are if & when it breaks down how hard is it gonna be to get parts & if it does have a CVT transmission If infact it does have a CVT transmission that alone would probably be a deal breaker for me.
@joshc606
5 ай бұрын
Polaris and Yamaha have been using g CVT for decades. I would t worry.
@CarAudioEnthusiasts
4 ай бұрын
i believe the mosimo has a CVT which is why it doesnt shift gears, of course the honda has an auto-shift transmission. the down side to that cvt is it will need maintainance, new belts and such, also it wont be as solid if youre doing some hard pulling. still if you mainly put put around a farm, Mosimo will prolly be fine. heres the real cheese though, If i were gonna ride one 1000 miles through the unknown, Id rather have a 10 year old Honda, than a brand new Mosimo. that CVT is the killer.
@JoeTheFarmer
4 ай бұрын
I get your points, but my 03' Kawasaki still has the original CVT belt in it. CVT is a great feature for smooth operation. If you tow 2k lbs with it all the time, it's gonna wear out. Thanks for posting!
@michellemichaels3258
5 ай бұрын
I’m interested in seeing a longevity video a few years down the road. How do they hold up in comparison? 🤗
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Thats the plan!
@jeffstrains4014
5 ай бұрын
Perhaps they have come a long way as a company, We bought a 2018 side by side from TSC and it compared to the Kawasaki my friend had was I don't want to say junk because still have it and it runs. But no where close in comparing the two. The Massimo had weak squeaking suspension, zerk fittings where pressed in not screwed they pop out when you grease it, Trans will knock you out of the seat going into drive, and changing the oil is a nightmare. But 6 years later I am sure they are a better units
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Hey Jeff, thanks for watching. We have a 2013 Kawasaki 4010 and it’s a great machine. From 2018 to now there has been a major improvement in quality (and increase in price!). I have a lot of machines and the gap is closing. Massimo is not Honda or Kawasaki….but they are not as far behind as some may think. Especially since Honda seems to have mailed it in. Kawasaki’s new quad design is awesome. Time will tell!
@doughurst5787
6 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to see how they both pull trailer with a few hundred pound tongue weight?
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
That is a great point; and one that I missed. The Massimo has a 2” receiver and the Honda does not. Again, not saying one is better or worse, just a fact. Couldn’t do that test unless i had a higher end Honda to use
@BrickyardPowerMan
4 ай бұрын
CVT's benefit the manufacturers. Gears benefit the consumer. My Polaris Scrambler was a POS. Just sold my 2021 Can-Am Outlander 1000R XT-P. Seat position is uncomfortable. Engine heat on right side is super annoying and always have to worry about pushing the CVT with all those cc's. I wish Honda would make a larger frame and displacement unit. My next ATV will probably be the Yamaha Grizzly 700. Just learning about Massimo. Seems to be assembled in TX. I'll research more but I absolutely abhor Chinese made products and avoid them when I can. Can't always avoid it but given the choice I will. We in the US are hurting ourselves to to pay less while buying Chinese made products. I'll buy US made .... actually I'll buy just about anything made anywhere but China.
@JoeTheFarmer
4 ай бұрын
Totally understand. And the grizzly is a beast. Would also look at the new Kawasaki Brute Force. Can't wait to ride one...something about that Kawasaki Green.
@Techprep23
6 ай бұрын
Simple answer to your initial question. Buy once, cry once. It may cost more upfront but it'll be cheaper in the long run than saving a few bucks now. And paying for repairs over time down the road. Independent rear suspension and solid rear axle have different use cases. The rancher as it's name implies would be a ranch or farm use machine. Mostly flat farm land. Witch could still hit the trails. Just not a comphy ride. You will feel more of the trails. Independent rear suspension awesome for the trails while still being perfectly fine for farm/ranch work. Honda transmissions are famous for the clicking/clunking. Used to be a lot worse. Still great machines. With some gremlins. Even my 2002 Yamaha Bear Tracker with its foot shift is smoother than a Honda transmission.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
My 03 Kawasaki Prairie is an incredible machine. I know what you mean. And I agree with suspension uses…but the more expensive and complex suspension is on the value machine. Competition is good. Thanks for the post, great insight. 👍🏼
@JorgeVonVogler
3 ай бұрын
Could see it used on a farm for sure. Idk about taking it to like a ATV park an having fun with it?
@JoeTheFarmer
3 ай бұрын
The manual steering would get old on a long day of riding. But for utility use and some trail rides its been really great.
@betterseatsinc2010
5 ай бұрын
I already picked honda. Love it. But where is that other quad made?
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Linhai is essentially Chinese Yamaha. They had a partnership with Yamaha for years. Very solid reputation for engine and drivetrain. Hondas are great man, we own a Honda and Kawasaki. But the big boys pricing is getting ridiculous. And, this Massimo machine is very nice. Been spending a lot of time on it and its impressive. We’ll see!
@ViolentEngineering
4 ай бұрын
Here's the reason why I would shop the Honda before the Massimo.. While you can buy the Massimo at TSC, they do not service it. They will have very limited parts availability and I've found that it's mostly online and drop shipped from Massimo. Massimo parts are not cheap. They may be cheaper but they aren't cheap. And you are going to be limited to Massimo as there isn't an aftermarket for anything model specific. The Honda is going to have a wider service network. Better aftermarket. Better parts availability. Better public knowledge base. And that's without touching on the expected quality superiority. Massimo makes a great feature packed budget vehicle, but buyers need to consider the tradeoffs that aren't obvious when you're ready to take it home.
@JoeTheFarmer
4 ай бұрын
Pretty solid post. Appreciate you weighing in. Massimo will need to earn the market share and trust which will take time. We shall see!
@JaysonRay-g7q
5 ай бұрын
I bought a massimo 760 4 wheeler. It rides great, the only thing I don’t like is that the exhaust heats up the fuel tank. Could be dangerous.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
I’ve never run the 760; would love to! They are really nice looking machines. And that’s a lot of power. But interesting point on the fuel tank.
@JaysonRay-g7q
5 ай бұрын
The fuel tank gets so hot that it builds up pressure in the tank and gas drips out of the overflow line. I cans take the cap off to relieve the pressure but in just a few seconds it builds back up and continues to push evaporated/condensed gasoline back out the overflow. It is a spark or backfire from becoming a fire ball. I’m waiting to see if the manufacturer has a fix for it. If not I’m going to put a heat shield on the exhaust pipe.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
@user-rq1tf9dy9p i sent this to the Massimo folks. That doesn’t sound right at all. Will let you know what I hear back
@TommyRandolph-b3m
6 ай бұрын
I have a mas 400 I love it
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Glad you have a machine you enjoy. What year? Hours?
@humblelake1
6 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thank you! Appreciate you watching. 😁👊🏼
@gringopines3476
6 ай бұрын
HAY JOE, HAVE YOU EVER CHECKED OUT THE CF MOTO? MAYBE SOME DAY IF YOU CAN, THAT WOULD MAKE A GOOD VIDEO. STAY COOL, PEACE FROM CREEL CHIHUAHUA, MEXICO...
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Hey! I have seen them and would love to review one. That would be a great video!
@randymerrill4877
5 ай бұрын
Who do you take it to for real repairs? Parts availability? Reliability?
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Repair centers are online, but would likely do it myself if there was a problem. Bike is made by Linhai which has been around for decades. Plenty of parts. Great questions.
@MaxHavoc69
5 ай бұрын
I have the Rancher with the DCT and it's been a complete piece of crap. It has literally been in the shop more hours than I've ridden it. Less than a month after I purchased it I had a problem with the DCT giving me the line of death. The dealer was 2 weeks behind before they could even look at it and then they kept changing parts over another 3 weeks trying to fix it. I contacted Honda wanting another machine and they told me to pound sand even though it had less than 10 miles on it when it went down and had only been ridden in a pasture not through water or mud, strictly dry land. They finally fixed it and right after the warranty ran out it happened again with 70 miles on it at this point. Over 600 bucks later it's fixed again with them changing parts again only to replace the battery which they said had a bad cell despite it holding a full charge. I'm still a fan of Honda's but stay away from the DCT.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Max, how DARE you speak ill of Honda! Lol. Be careful, some on here might not like that! I like Honda's too and your story is why I made the video. Is Honda (or the other big brands) really THAT much better than the cheaper alternatives. All machines have issues, but people seem to forgive the expensive machines and condemn the lower cost machines. Sorry you had a bad experience, but appreciate you sharing your story. My 2003 Kawi still has the original CVT belt. Smooth as butter. Love that thing. Stay safe out there brother!
@MaxHavoc69
5 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer I was at a camping event last year and everyone brings their ATV's there was a guy driving a new Rancher he had just bought and it had everything but the DCT transmission. Turns out he rebuilt transmissions for a living and told me that my issue was common and that's why he wouldn't own a DCT Rancher. He said it was to complicated for an ATV and prone to give error codes which disables the machine. I was riding my new Yamaha Kodiak that I bought because my Honda was in the shop. The Kodiak was over 1K cheaper than the Honda with more options including nicer tires and rims.
@4WheelDaily
5 ай бұрын
My dad had the knockoff ryhno and put over 10k miles on it without issue. I personally wouldn't spend 7 plus grand on either one of those machines, that crazy money for a quad. I'd just go get a used Jeep.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
I get it; but a used jeep is probably 7 grand now. When a wrangler is 60 grand new you know we are in the bizzarro world. Thanks for watching!
@GeorgiaRidgerunner
6 ай бұрын
the thing with these chinese quads scooters motorcycles etc. is the quality everything is cheap pretty much all these chinese scoots bikes and quads are known for the cdi going out id strongly suggest buying two or three spare cdi's remember in ten years or less these things will be totally forgotten and parts availibilty will virtually non existent also its good idea to change the spark plug the chinese spark plugs are known for going out ive seen them go out in less than 20 minutes (not an exaggeration at all) ive never seen a chinese sparkplug last 50 hours maybe 12 hours and thats being generous (again not an exaggeration) in closing the honda while maybe rough around the edges it is reliable and parts are available and will still be available 20 plus years down the road
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Hey George, thanks for watching and weighing in. This is a Linhai machine which is a very solid manufacturer. Been around a long time. I agree with plugs and fluids. All will get changed when I do the first service. Impressive so far, time will tell.
@srtmetal7647
5 ай бұрын
I'd try out the CF Moto line first if I were looking for an automatic.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
I’d like to test a @cfmotoofficial at some point. Look like really nice machines.
@ramie-uz9xi
5 ай бұрын
You’re not going to see the difference by looking at them . However after some time of ownership and eventual hours of operation they difference will become blatantly clear
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Been a couple months and I can say I favor the Massimo for ride and comfort. I have zero reason to be dishonest. Could care less what other people buy. But on our rocky, bumpy and hilly farm its a blast to ride and very comfortable. Time will tell on reliability. Oh, and the 2” receiver is a total game changer.
@ramie-uz9xi
5 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer I hope you get good ,great ,service from that unit . Things change over time . Maybe your machine will stand the test of time . Even the best of brands can make a bad machine and at times less reputable manufacturers hit home runs. For years Nissan produced some of the most reliable cars and trucks . They are plagued with engineering issues these days . I’m 55 years old . Love my chevys , Through my time though , Japan usually had the most durable and reliable equipment . Best of luck
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Thank you! And I get it. So much of it also depends on quality fuel and maintenance. I’ll keep y’all posted!
@joeyholthusen6495
5 ай бұрын
CFMOTO motor in massimo atv. Durability over the years is honda. No comparison in 20-30 years because the honda will still be running
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Invest the difference in price and in 20-30 years you can buy 5 Hondas. Lol
@joeyholthusen6495
5 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer always good for option A with option B, myself I'm still not a fan of using belts with snowmobile clutches set up in atvs, I live in between arctic cat and Polaris industries. But yet I ride a yamaha atv, grew up with honda atc 90 then in 1986 my father bought a honda 200sx it had 30 years of hard miles on it with zero engine work. Until my nephew ran it Until the chain jumped off and cracked the cases on it a few years ago. My brother bought the exact same model and is riding it still.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
@joeyholthusen6495 I don’t disagree with you; but those old Honda’s you referred to will prob outlive what Honda is building now. I don’t see a big quality divide. Its like a $3k Honda generator vs a Harbor Freight Predator for $800. Is it REALLY worth it to the avg person to ignore the competition? I don’t know, I am thinking no.
@joeyholthusen6495
5 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer cfmoto is one of the best chinese manufacturers. Myself I was actually looking into a cheaper alternative dirtbike. GPX 300 2-stroke is a clone of ktm 300 2 stroke and the gpx 250 2-stroke is a clone of the yamaha DT230. Engine parts are actually interchangeable. I guess myself I'm just saying for long-term the clutch for belt drive system requires a lot of maintenance is all. 5k miles on a snowmobile engine and you better probably go through the clutch before it Flys apart and goes through the roof of the sled or hits your leg at high rpm. My dad's 1st cousin had that happen to him. Had to dump his boot out because it was being getting full from his blood. Myself I'd ride 3 to 5 tanks of fuel on my atv over a weekend. My uncle has over 35k on his arctic cat 400 with a manual transmission and solid rear axle. His motor has never been opened up. Try that on independent rear end setup with a belt drive.
@trevorrobinson3513
5 ай бұрын
They pay me enough and give me free wheelers I’d talk nice about them too! If I’m buying it myself you can count on me buy Honda 100% of the time
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Your last sentence says it all. Open your mind a bit. Lots of great tools out there.
@rm25088
6 ай бұрын
Good video.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thanks Josh!
@larryprice6195
5 ай бұрын
Say what you will, the Honda is known for reliability and low maintenance costs, and run forever. Parts and service are readability available. You can’t say that for the Massimo.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Linhai had been building engines with Yamaha for years. I am confident in parts availability. Really is a nice machine
@matthewmilam286
5 ай бұрын
I would pick anything over a Chinese ATV
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Lots of options out there if you have the money.
@mr2199186
5 ай бұрын
Guess no one knows who is Linhai is working with to make atvs. Shhhh it’s Yamaha 😂
@jeffgordon7023
3 ай бұрын
For 2000. I'll take the Honda every time
@JoeTheFarmer
3 ай бұрын
Prob closer to $3,500, but I get it. If you have the money and want the best…hard to argue
@Michael-dh2zv
2 ай бұрын
Are we all gonna ignore how he thinks the shifting is something wrong with the Honda. “YoU hEaR tHaT iT cLiCkEd”
@JoeTheFarmer
2 ай бұрын
I think everyone else heard that I said it about throws you off the bike. For a "premium" machine, it should be a lot smoother. my .02
@sales21stcentry
5 ай бұрын
Who need a 420 the recon is cheaper and easier to maintain, foot shift is also better
@sales21stcentry
5 ай бұрын
The simpler the better
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Simple is good; but having this channel and reading through all the comments has taught me a lot. Many folks buy these machines because they physically need the transportation (disability, age, etc). Foot shifter may not be an option. But point is well taken; simple is good. Oh; and isn’t the recon 2wd? Thanks for watching!
@RichValentine1972
4 ай бұрын
Honda transmission is an auto shift not a CVT so that clunk you here is the transmission shifting!
@JoeTheFarmer
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching Rich. I do know that it is a transmission shifting; but Holy Cow it will jerk you out of the seat on a hill. I prefer the CVT belt drive. So much smoother.
@RichValentine1972
4 ай бұрын
You definitely have some good content, now you should do a review on some 500s or 575 Polaris CF Moto Yamaha Hondalol
@JoeTheFarmer
4 ай бұрын
@@RichValentine1972 Would like to review the @cfmotoofficial. I asked them, hope one day they give me the chance! Appreciate you watching.
@joshc606
5 ай бұрын
People arebrand loyal for a reason, i understand. But its also a terrible thing. Id only take the honda for part availability and dealer network. But if I was buying new, Massimo for my money.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
I was on it all day Saturday. Really really nice machine.
@limjahey2891
27 күн бұрын
3k difference isn't enough savings to not buy a honda. I own a massimo product and I wish everyday I would of just bought a honda, kawasaki or suzuki
@JoeTheFarmer
25 күн бұрын
$3k is a lot of money to a lot of people. For what it's worth, it's still running flawless. Thanks for watching
@Zanderthelab
5 ай бұрын
I’d get a Polaris or Can-Am.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Both awesome machines. No doubt.
@Zanderthelab
5 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer why I wouldn’t get one from TSC is simply because I like supporting dealers and not big box stores.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Thats fair. Especially if you have a dealer that’s treated you right. 👍🏼
@Zanderthelab
5 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer I guess you’re right and some people might not even have one nearby.
@deadpresident78
3 ай бұрын
The Honda all the way. Possible 20 year bike that holds a good resale value. I wouldn't even look at the tractor supply, it looks asian and chineese.
@JoeTheFarmer
3 ай бұрын
Fair enough. The Massimo is built by Linhai which is Chinese. But, it is a very nice machine. Honda’s need to come down in price.
@jamesdick6488
6 ай бұрын
The TSC quad has a crappier frame, less reliable motor, plastics will most likely break faster, bushings and bearings will wear out faster, ect… 5 years from now the Honda will still be running and the TSC quad will be broke down outside with no ability to get parts easily. Another thing I look at is if I am in wv riding quads for a week and the first day I am there I break an a arm, guaranteed I can get a replacement within a day, if I had the TSC quad I would be nuts to butt with a buddy.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Lots of assumptions there buddy. Time will tell.
@Pococnosurvival
6 ай бұрын
come on, who is going to service it under warranty? parts? reliability over 10 years? I will bet you you will be buying 2 or 3 mosi before you even wear the honda down. its not 6000.00 for nothing. its cheap parts, cheap steel, cheap plastics, electronics? the china winch, no rack space. you say be fair with the reviews, but, you cant just say you rather have the cheap one over a honda without putting it to work for 10 years. do another review in 10 years and see what happens. not bashing your video, but lets come back 10 years from now and let ud know how it is. if its still running, I will buy 2. as of now, I will stay with the honda
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
I think thats fair. It will be worked for as long as it lives. I’ll keep everyone posted
@workingcountry1776
6 ай бұрын
I have seen generic China kids ATV with hundreds of hours over 10+ years of kids beating on em run just fine w/ regular upkeep.
@Pococnosurvival
6 ай бұрын
@@workingcountry1776 nope. not really. i seen some where you tear your rotator cuff pulling the pull start trying to start them
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
That's the issue. The bias of what is "junk" or "not junk" is a problem. You seen "some"...but not all. Bill Winke is a legendary bow hunter and land manager. Has a TON of videos of him working and developing farms with various equipment. His ATV is a cheap Chinese Coleman/Hisun. Prob at least 10 years old. People say "Hisun is junk" and never used one. I had one; loved it. Great machine and served us well. The Massimo's are Linhai; and if you were in Europe you would see them everywhere. Clearly not junk. This is new to our market, which takes a learning curve and adjustment...and Massimo and Linhai will need to earn their reputation in the US just like Honda and Kawasaki had to in the past when everyone feared Japanese equipment. I get your points, but to use a broad brush to paint an entire industry is naive. I know powersports equipment, and have owned a lot of it. What intrigues me about the newer and less expensive equipment is how much more you get for your money. I will call it straight; and I really like and am impressed with the new atv.
@jamesb.armstrong5433
6 ай бұрын
We've had 2 CFMoto ATVs for several years and not one problem. People have said the same thing about them. I don't have anything against Honda either. We have a Honda Recon and had a Honda Rancher years ago. You just get more for your money with Chinese ATVs.
@frankg6563
6 ай бұрын
I have no specific brand allegiance. I research and buy what works for me on my farm here in Missouri. I have a Massimo 700 SXS which I bought in 2014. Rumor had it that they are Yamaha clones. IDK, but the machine is rock solid and easy to maintain. I believe that Massimo parts are available on-line from Motorcycle Doctor in FL. I also own a 2005 Yamaha Kodiak 450 ATV which still has air in the tires from Japan. I bought that machine because it had independent suspension, a true locking diff, and a lever shifter. In all the years it has been up and down the ravines and woods around here, towing my boat around the property, plowing snow, and dragging deer out, I only need to change the oil along with the air and oil filters. I think that new Massimo ATV is more comparable to the Yamaha Kodiak than than the Honda Rancher. As was my Massimo SXS, they are good values and, in my experience, reliable machines.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for your post Frank. You are correct, a lot of Yamaha DNA in there.
@Mrigotyouu1432
5 ай бұрын
That 2005 Japan air hits different.
@bryans5339
6 ай бұрын
I used to be everything Honda when I was younger. I bought a brand new Honda Civic when I was 18. Now at 43 I still like Honda, but I think they are overpriced for what I get. I’ll take the Massimo and keep the savings over the Honda.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
I think that Honda used to mean Value. Nice car or machine for a fair price. Now its priced like a premium product and it just isn’t. And when anyone charges for camo; like…more than the licensing fee, I have to ask why. Thanks for watching!
@jameswagner7260
6 ай бұрын
Another great comparison. As an owner of an 04 Rancher that's still going I have to say it's been very reliable and inexpensive to maintain. Mine doesn't make that knocking sound with the electronic shift , that's concerning. I have to say that Mossimo has a lot of nice features for the price. The only concern I would have is replacement parts and servicing dealers . Thanks Joe !
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching buddy! The early machines are really hard to beat. The new dct transmissions make that sound. I too think it’s jerky and odd. But, no arguing the quality of a Honda. But, the Massimo thus far is impressive.
@RobertMacKay-b5w
5 ай бұрын
My 01 350 Fourtrax ES (Canada) 18,000 km and 1000 hrs, still going strong!
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
@@RobertMacKay-b5wThat’s awesome!!!
@OzarkMtnLandowner6653
6 ай бұрын
Love the side by side comparison, very informative. How about some JTF discount promo codes? Keep the videos coming!
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thanks buddy! And not a bad idea! I'll be sure to ask them if they can do something like that!
@ianl5669
6 ай бұрын
The shifting on the honda is a good thing. It can take way more abuse than the cvt. And the rear axle on the honda will last way longer with little wear. With that being said it all depends on who's using it. If you are the kind of person who don't abuse your 4wheeler and like a smoother shift that trackor supply quad might last you forever.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Good points. I don't really abuse equipment. We use them for moving things, transportation, utility and some fun. My 21 y/o Kawi still has the original cvt belt. The Honda is a great machine, no question. But, I do think that there is some nice competition out there. I appreciate you watching.
@genecaruso5506
6 ай бұрын
I own a 1999 Polaris sportsman 500 ho and it’s a tank. Smooth as butter and very reliable
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thats awesome! Did you buy it new?
@genecaruso5506
6 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer nope bought it from a pawn shop 17 years ago
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
@genecaruso5506 amazing.
@joechapman5894
4 ай бұрын
He said nobody makes these things any more in the US except Artic Cat. I knew right then and there he doesn't know. I love my American made Polaris!
@JoeTheFarmer
4 ай бұрын
@joechapman5894 You are right. Polaris slipped my mind. Appreciate the catch. 👍🏼
@GarageWorx
6 ай бұрын
The cheap guy always spends twice as much.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
We shall see.
@whiterook85
6 ай бұрын
Good comparison Joe. I saw one in my local TSC store, if I didn't have to haul it 630 miles every trip I would have one. Keep up the good work, and remember haters will hate. 😀
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thanks Tom, appreciate you my friend. Let's catch up soon!
@SLH_Kevin
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing the comparison.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! Will call it straight brother. Fun videos coming up with it getting put to work!
@liamfirebird6922
6 ай бұрын
I like the Massimo. I love TSC. I have a Generac generator and a Generac tiller both from TSC and they are fantastic. My local store has the Massimo T-Boss 550 in veil camo. The same one you feature on your channel. I went in and checked it out for myself after watching your videos on the T-Boss. I'm very impressed. It is a bit too much for what I need on my property, so I'm waiting for the MSA 550 to arrive. One thing they told me at the store. TSC card holders are eligible for 3.99% apr for 36 months on Massimo products. Something to think about in this economy. Great video and comparison Joe!
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! The veil camo is so nice man. Once you see it in person it really looks awesome. You get a lot for your money with these machines. Keep me posted on your journey!
@liamfirebird6922
6 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer I agree. The veil camo is awesome. I only have about 2 acres of land so I think the T-Boss is really just too big for my needs but the MSA 550 would be perfect! I'm hoping to buy one this summer.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
That's awesome. And I see your point. A UTV is big for 2 acres. I failed to mention the 2" received in the video. The Massimo having a trailer hitch is huge for flexibility with seeders/spreaders/etc. It's basically a TBoss 550 with a smaller footprint. Good call.
@Supertramp01
6 ай бұрын
Love how you mention they aren't paying you to say anything, but in some of your previous videos you mention how they gave you units to test😂😂 LITERALLY the same as paying you. Start slamming the units and see how fast they take them away.. I get it, man.. but be honest..that chinese crap doesn't hold a candle to ANY Japanese models. As far as the honda goes, they all make shofting sounds until they break it..itll quiet down but won't go away..its just the transmission, and its common. CVT will ALWAYS be smoother and quiet. Id like an recommended anything that waa given to me for free as well😂😂😂😂
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
I never recommended anything. I said I like it; because I do. Is that so hard to believe? I have relationships with multiple manufacturers and call it straight with each of them. I don’t need another machine, but people sure like to watch them so I keep showing them and offering my honest opinion. I am not paid and they can be picked up at any time. But, if you question my integrity over some stuff…you clearly aren’t someone that knows me and may be better off watching another channel.
@randykestner3870
6 ай бұрын
I've got a 2010 and 2014 rancher they r nice been good running machines. Both are shaft drive love them. I did like the mossmo it looked nice. Yes I think Honda needs to include a few more accessories
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thanks Randy, appreciate your input! Ranchers are excellent machines, but I do agree Honda could step it up a bit and spruce them up a bit for what they cost.
@hutchh.6933
5 ай бұрын
Honda in a second. I bought 80 acres in 2012. So I went out and bought a 2002 Honda Foreman 450 used for $2800. I use this Foreman every day from running to the mailbox a mile away to dragging a 5x8 trailer around the farm. Hundreds of hours of hard abusive use and it has only had one issue (a shift sensor went out). I change the oil every 2-3 years and I have replaced the battery once. That's it. Its not fast. Its not sporty. But its a little tank. I have used it to make trails with riding down 2-3" saplings. 22 years and it is still going strong. I know the Masimos dont have a ton of problems first year....but are they really going to be performing the same in 20 years? 25 years? The Honda will.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Your 2002 Honda sounds a lot like my 2003 Kawasaki. They were all built like tanks back then. The bigger question is are they still built like that. And are the new bikes worth almost $10k. Glad you got a good one brother. Stay safe and keep living the dream. 💪🏼👊🏼
@bobpurs
6 ай бұрын
Good video and comparison. Heard of the brand but do not know much about them. Will check one out. Have Polaris now but will be looking at adding another 4 wheeler to the fleet.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Nothing more fun than growing the fleet! Appreciate you watching!
@Outdoorsy368
6 ай бұрын
I've got to have power steering due to shoulder problems otherwise the TSC one seems like a decent value
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Totally understand. I think that is coming
@keithbennett1359
5 ай бұрын
I operate a ATV/UTV service and repair business and just want to say the Honda shown here is DCT transmission( dual clutch) . The only thing here that is automatic is the computer that controls the shifting through a very complicated sensor network which is very tricky to repair although not common . the clunk heard here is an actual gear shift happening
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing this. Appreciate you watching.
@jtarman70
4 ай бұрын
That knocking is just the gears shifting, all Honda's do that. The Massimo has a belt, cvt. IF its made like a Yamaha it will last for years, if its like a polaris or can am....watch out!
@JoeTheFarmer
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@taylanlowe120
4 ай бұрын
Sure the massimo may seem smoother because it is cvt and the honda is actually going through gears. The honda transmission is way better when doing any pulling or really anything. Honda is one of the only ones still offering a regular gearbox still.also why the honda has the engine braking ant the massimo does not .
@JoeTheFarmer
4 ай бұрын
Appreciate the feedback Taylan. 👍🏼
@camshaftshaft2711
4 ай бұрын
Love my Honda’s I got a 2024 rancher and a 86 200sx ! Over 30 years old and it still runs like a top 👍
@JoeTheFarmer
4 ай бұрын
I’d take the 86’ over the 24’! Thanks for watching brother.
@kjjeep2718
5 ай бұрын
I'm on the local ATV Facebook page and some people have had luck with the import's, lot's of people don't. I'm not giving up my Honda anytime soon. The tranny on my Honda thumps when it shifts because it is a transmission with gears, the Massimo is most likely a belt drive..
@ronhayes6131
6 ай бұрын
I just purchased a CFMoto CForce 600. CFMoto does all the manufacturing for KTM now. Yes people do like the Big 4 but many of their models are outdated and expensive. Believe me I own 10 motorcycles and many are Japanese. Plus a lot of the Japanese models are not manufactured where people think they are. Matter of fact is that the BMW parallel twin motors are made in China. Many of Hondas motors are made in China. Many ATVs are rebadged from other companies such as Kymco. A John Deer Gator has a Kawasaki motor. You just don't know where they come from. Maybe people can't believe that Tractor Supply , which has everything,, can put out a good specific product.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Hey Ron! Congrats on the new bike. I would love to take a CF Moto for a ride...they are really nice looking machines. The 1000 looks like a monster. You are right on so many levels. There is nothing wrong with the big 4, or CF Moto, or Linhai, etc. The margins between the manufacturers are getting slimmer but the pricing isn't. You bring up a great point about sourcing; we have no clue where the parts come from. I own a lot of equipment and have sold a lot of equipment. The most important economy to me is the one under my roof. I own a Honda and a Kawasaki and both are excellent. But I don't bleed one color. If I was going to go out and buy a machine today, the first thing I do is get a pad and pen and start researching where the best value is. Appreciate you watching and weighing in. You bring a lot to this community.
@timstone7380
6 ай бұрын
Before 10yr it will be in junk yard
@frankg6563
6 ай бұрын
Do you have a ten year old Massimo you took to the junk yard?
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Lots of 10 year old Linhai machines out there.
@kingrider75
6 ай бұрын
My thoughts, no manufacture has ever given me jack shit lol. I know many people who have had great luck with some of the Chinese quads and I know some that have had horrible experiences. As someone who has owned several different brands of quads and side by sides I can tell you Honda has pretty much one claim to fame and that’s reliability. They have long been left behind In both performance and fit/finish. Before anybody melts down on me I currently own a 23 1000 pioneer and while it does the job it’s for sure dead last in comfort.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
No one will melt down on you brother. We keep it civil here. My father in law has a pioneer 1000 also. Very solid machine, but also very pedestrian. But you are right, quality and value were the story they told. Now they are pricey in my opinion.
@intothetimberoutdoors8746
5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the free of bias video. I’m a Honda guy but there’s something to be said about giving new bands a try.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
Absolutely! And Thanks for watching. Competition is good; and though I love our Kawasaki and Honda machines...the Massimo is a great ride and a ton of value. Time will tell!
@bombidude
6 ай бұрын
Theres an update on the transmission on the honda on the 2021.. bring it to your dealer
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for letting me know. Is it a software or hardware update?
@bombidude
6 ай бұрын
Software.. complain to your dealer and if you have extended warranty it is covered.. Had mine done last year and now it's much better and smoother
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Awesome info; thank you. I'll call the dealer and ask. Appreciate ya.
@timr31908
5 ай бұрын
I'd go to the Honda no questions
@billwill7383
6 ай бұрын
China quads. There fine as long as you understand their wiring will be your problem.
@JoeTheFarmer
5 ай бұрын
We shall see. Thanks for watching!
@jay34021
6 ай бұрын
I have a 2021 MSA 400 and that atv is a tank. Has been holding up very well on my farm. Sure ive had to do maintenance on it myself and fix a few brain scratchers, but for the price you cant beat these Massimo machines. Thanks for the side by side comparison.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing the real world experience. I'll keep you posted on this machines progress!
@bandinamerica3035
2 ай бұрын
I've got a 23 rancher 4x4 haven't had any issues. Done all the regular maintenance myself. I'm at 1700 miles in just over a year of ownership. Both machines seem pretty good.
@JoeTheFarmer
2 ай бұрын
@bandinamerica3035 thats awesome man. You put some miles on that thing! Glad its treating you well. I too have enjoyed both machines.
@kevinvontungeln9338
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for a great and factual comparison!
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching Kevin!
@Slane583
6 ай бұрын
The Honda transmission has a small "thunk" to it while shifting because it acts like a automatic transmission in a car, it is shifting actual gears. The Massimo/Linhai uses a cvt like all of the other atv makers because it's a much simpler system to make. It's also a much easier system for the end user to work on versus Honda's fancy automatic transmission. As nice as Honda's are for reliability, out of all of the big brands their atv's feel the most dated even their most premium model. They haven't changed anything with their atv's in 15 years or more. The Rancher is a $9,000 atv that isn't giving you $9,000 of anything new. Someone who instantly attacks something like the Massimo/Linhai will always have a beef with a Chinese or Taiwanese brand trying to compete with the likes of Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki and so on. People do it with everything, it doesn't matter if it's automobiles or power tools if they don't like something they instantly default to calling it junk even if they never tried it. Them knowing where it was made makes them believe their opinion is justified. I think it's also part of the fear like everyone had during the 1980's. When everyone was afraid of the Japanese brands taking over and ousting US brands. Now it's just another round of the same thing but this time it's a Chinese or Taiwanese brand trying to show they're also capable of making a quality item. It's nice to see that Tractor Supply will be offering a full size quad for those who want it. For me personally I would go with a CF Moto CeForce 500 instead because it is a few dollars less and it comes standard with EPS. For me it would also be easier to get a payment plan through a CF Moto dealer than it would be through Tractor Supply. Tractor Supply wants you to sign up for their credit card in order to do payments on anything large. I avoid credit cards like the plague. :)
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Man; great post. I think you nailed it. Appreciate you watching brother.
@Slane583
6 ай бұрын
@@JoeTheFarmer Keep up the good work. 👍😁
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
I appreciate your support. Thank you
@TeeLocky
6 ай бұрын
Honda's are excellent quality & durable ATVs but overpriced IMO. If I had to decide between these 2 I would go with the Honda even if it was 3K more. I do not trust these new manufacturers that may be here tomorrow and may not. I personally ride a Suzuki KingQuad 750, they are excellent atvs and the prices are very good.
@JoeTheFarmer
6 ай бұрын
Suzuki KingQuad is legendary. You got a good one. And all fair points. Appreciate you watching!
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