You should probably test how long it takes to boil 380ml of water (that's about the amount needed for a hiking meal). The bioethanol looked like it was burning faster, and hotter. I've also heard that adding water to bioethanol might help it burn longer, so you might want to try that :)
@straight-narrow-path
Жыл бұрын
Yeah its BTU not time .
@MrNetnic
Жыл бұрын
Some very good views of your back and arms!
@Skully317
Жыл бұрын
Adding water also reduces soot for those who want to keep everything looking pretty and new....🙄
@CragScrambler
Жыл бұрын
You're supposed to add 10-15% water to meths as well according to trangia themselves, it says on the yellow bag instructions
@m.hernandez1404
3 жыл бұрын
Hard to believe you recorded alcohol stoves. And I watched.
@markfletcher3728
2 жыл бұрын
Burn time unimportant, time to boil a kettle is the important one! Meths might last longer but if the bio heats faster?? Sorry. your test proves nothing!
@kylewilkinson6975
3 жыл бұрын
Your comparison didnt show which is actually better. Just because it burns longer does not mean it burns better. If the bio burns hotter and boils faster and meth burns cooler so takes longer then about same amount of fuel required. Meth then could be better for simmering. To simmer use chaffing fuel which is also safer.
@ipedros7
2 жыл бұрын
Totally in agreement. Ethanol does burn hotter. How much hotter would that translate in boiling water and the likes... For simmering, I'd say for simmering the ethanol you'd need the simmer ring to control the amount of flame. Not so much needed for meths (with a spot of water to stop soot).
@SuchaDoofus
2 жыл бұрын
@@ipedros7 In other words we need to know how much calorific heat energy the fuel kicks out per volume e.g. ml, liter
@wildernesslifecraft8180
Жыл бұрын
That would depend on your usage. I not only boil water but cook for two people on the stove so a longer burn time is relevant to me and others in the same position.
@johnw2758
Жыл бұрын
@@ipedros7 you can also simmer effectively by lowering the distance between the pot and the flame, I regularly do this.
@markhawkins2723
Жыл бұрын
another Trangia user, Iv got my original stove from early 80s, so its good to go wind tests but think it would be more useful to time boiling water, and same setup with no wind, Iv tried Bio fuel and must admit I’ve gone back to Meths it works better all round, bio is quicker I find but uses more fuel.
@wildernesslifecraft8180
Жыл бұрын
I found that too.
@dannyboy9817
Жыл бұрын
Another Trangia fan here too. I have 3. A 27 series cookset (my go to), a 28 mini (fun and cute but hopeless in wind) and a triangle (very compact and handy but not much better than the 28 mini in wind). The 27 series is my favourite bit of kit and goes with us on every hike, day trip in the car (just Incase) and trip to the beach for a brew/hot chocolate. I find the addition of 10% water to meths keeps it a bit more civilised and under control. Was considering going down the bio ethanol route but think I'll stick to meths now.
@bdr1968
2 жыл бұрын
I had good results with the Bio Fuel. It burns hotter than Heet. I do alot of dry baking. So for me Heet works better. Its Cheaper also.
@soundwaves1545
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir, I wonder if you'd like to make a video comparing how much fuel is needed and how long it would take to boil 300ml of water.
@wildernesslifecraft8180
3 жыл бұрын
I can do that. I've put it on the to do list.
@albion2742
2 жыл бұрын
@@wildernesslifecraft8180 I use Heet in the yellow bottle.
@davidcooper6704
3 жыл бұрын
I am interested to see what effect bioethanol has on the pans. Does it blacken them? Another video perhaps?
@randywatson8347
2 жыл бұрын
It did blacken my titanium cup slightly.
@davidjones6218
2 жыл бұрын
Meths will blacken anything and stinks... Bio is odourless and only slightly blackens...But you can add a little water to the meths to lessen the blackening. 👍
@HifiCentret
2 жыл бұрын
@@randywatson8347 Then it must contain impurities which gives of carbon
@randywatson8347
2 жыл бұрын
@@HifiCentret yeah, I don't know why, since ethanol is bad stuff that nobody dares to drink.
@eca7773
5 ай бұрын
@@randywatson8347😂
@keithwortelhock6078
Жыл бұрын
I've done boil tests and I found them to be pretty similar. Bio ethanol much cleaner, so I use that.
@wildernesslifecraft8180
Жыл бұрын
I found the ethanol to be slightly quicker. I'm going to do some more testing on boil tomes.
@robertwebb5586
Жыл бұрын
Here in the US we have Denatured Alcohol it's your (Mentholated Spirits)
@cdmChase1
2 жыл бұрын
I used to add a tiny drop of water to methylated spirits while doing my silver D.O.E Award. It made it so you could see the flame..
@matthewhumphreys6100
2 жыл бұрын
Actually very informative. If you want to just boil water as fast as possible, then go for bio-ethanol. If you want to actually cook and have control over the heat and cook time, methys. If boiling water 3 mins faster is important to you I suggest you forget camping and get a hotel room with a cheap mini-kettle.
@johnbaker7626
Жыл бұрын
And a soft bed!!
@blackwingvisuals5017
Жыл бұрын
And if its closer to a big city say Manchester the selection of escorts is a bit more varied! So one can share that bed and thus increase the efficiency of at least something! Just sayin :-)
@johnnyross3340
Жыл бұрын
Could also play tents under the duvet....
@haydenwalton2766
Жыл бұрын
I often say to my jetboil friends - I wasn't aware bushwalking had become an olympic event
@milcotto4153
Жыл бұрын
If you are hiking, the point would be to carry less fuel for longer use.
@steveb1972
3 жыл бұрын
Bio ethanol burns more fiercely and quickly but is much cleaner.
@HifiCentret
2 жыл бұрын
In other countries it isn't colored and the denaturated ethanol burn very clean as well. Can't say anything for temperatures though. Always used the denaturated ethanol "household ethanol" is it called. Much cheaper than bioethanol.
@williamf.9615
2 жыл бұрын
A soot and smell test would also be helpful.
@HifiCentret
2 жыл бұрын
Wonder what kind of denaturating agent is used in different countries. Because I don't find a lot of difference. But here the ordinary denaturated ethanol isn't colored either. Both burns very clean but the ordinary denaturated stuff is much cheaper. One liter in the grochery store is still cheaper per liter than buying bioethanol by the bulk (33 liters etc.)
@countryside_guy
Жыл бұрын
Bioethanol - hot, faster cooking, quickly gone. Meths - cooler burn, slower cooking, lasts longer but the 2 balance out really.
@davidalonzi2918
Жыл бұрын
Due to the recent cold weather I tried using one of those small candles under the trangia to warm it up. I have a trangia 27 so have the space underneath. It gets the meths warm very quickly and it blooms almost immediately.
@wildernesslifecraft8180
Жыл бұрын
That's a good idea. I'll be producing a video soon on cold weather tips for the alcohol stoves.
@kokopelau6954
Жыл бұрын
I know some people will say im picking nits but those look like Trangia lookalikes not the real thing. They have different bloom holes than the real Trangia. Trangia and knock-offs have different burn times also.
@BlazeRhodon
2 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to use pure isopropyl alcohol too? It has similar properties, and it is highly flammable like pure ethyl alcohol.
@wildernesslifecraft8180
2 жыл бұрын
Yes I would think so bit it's purer form commands a higher price.
@BlazeRhodon
2 жыл бұрын
@@wildernesslifecraft8180 Pure isopropyl alcohol has similar price to bioethanol or high quality denatured ethyl alcohol (rectified and dehydrated with 99 percent). Methylated spirit is just a raw spirit (usually 92 percent) with additional chemicals to make it unable to drink (like denatonium benzoate, most bitter substance know to mankind making a gag reflex). But unlike bioethanol, methylated spirit stinks like nail polish with a hint of chocolate (it is smell of raw distilled spirit). I know it from experience, because I was able to buy cheap high quality pure denatured alcohol (which does not stink) and pure isopropyl alcohol (for about 2,5 US dollars per liter). I use them not as fuel, but solvents and cleaning agents and their properties are very similar.
@bjjrambler3913
3 жыл бұрын
Quality little stoves. Thanks for sharing 👍
@wildernesslifecraft8180
3 жыл бұрын
They are great. Thanks for watching.
@TheRealMichelleElynHogan
4 ай бұрын
So, from this experiment, we see that bioethanol burns twice as fast as the methyl hydrate. However, is not the more important experiment to find out if the bioethanol will bring a certain amount of water to boil? Perhaps the bioethanol burns twice as fast but does it do the job in half the time? Some here has said that the methyl hydrate is the fuel to be taking on a hike or a camp because it burns longer but again, does it boil water just as fast how much methyl hydrate does it take to boil 1 L of water and how much bioethanol does it take to boil 1 L of water. This is the first video I’ve watched on this channel so I do not know whether this experiment has already been done or not. If not, I look forward to seeing this experiment done on this channel.
@Dickie2702
4 ай бұрын
Just to settle the argument definitively they both produce the same amount of energy for a given volume. 21.1 MJ/L
@dannyboy9817
Жыл бұрын
Interesting video. I haven't tried bio ethanol in any of my Trangia stoves and based on your test, don't think I'll bother. I too water my meths down with 10% water and find it calms the burn down a bit. I find neat meths to be a bit wild. This is also supposed to reduce sooting on cooking pots although I'm not so sure it makes much difference. Incidentally, I have tried diluting meths with 20% water and found it takes way too long to bloom and in cold weather, struggles to fully bloom at all. 10% seems to be the optimum I think. Keep up the videos and thanks for sharing.
@wildernesslifecraft8180
Жыл бұрын
Yes I agree the 10% is the sweet spot. The Bio-ethanol us definitely a lot harsher. Thank you.
@MAANONTHEMOON33
Жыл бұрын
Does the comparison match in cooking tests in tastings/flavors?
@thomasschafer7268
Жыл бұрын
Haha.30jears ago bike trip in denmark. No way to find Spiritus. They call it rødsprit.
@davidstalter6006
9 ай бұрын
Why would you even do this test without some kind of wind guard??? Makes zero sense..
@lapicker1010
Ай бұрын
Why some people think it’s a good idea to add water to your alcohol is totally beyond me!!
@joeblack4668
Жыл бұрын
Great video mate but I bought the bioethanol and there was a lot less soot. Keep up the great work!!!
@________o6474
Жыл бұрын
Would be better if you did it from the other side so we can see you do with you getting in the way. Der.
@frankusvolubilis9210
2 жыл бұрын
Yes A Soot Test would be good
@vvs3796
2 жыл бұрын
adding 10percent of water to bioethanol would even things up?
@leefury7
Жыл бұрын
Denatured alcohol is all I burn. Works great. Stores forever.
@wildernesslifecraft8180
Жыл бұрын
I think I prefer it too.
@taber247
Жыл бұрын
You really needed to test the fuels under working conditions = boiling same quantity of water in the same pot on the same stand with the same burner and a WINDSHIELD. I also have a fire felt pad to stop the ground from sucking the heat out of the burner. All you were doing was burning fuel with no idea of the heat output of either.
@wildernesslifecraft8180
Жыл бұрын
They are much the same results in use. The bio ethanol burns a little hotter. This was a test of how long a full stove lasts between the two fuels.
@oxxnarrdflame8865
3 жыл бұрын
Can you test boil times between the two fuels?
@wildernesslifecraft8180
3 жыл бұрын
I can. I'll do it in another video.
@ukpaul9221
2 жыл бұрын
Are the stoves the hijacked deigns made in China? They really are tops in unscrupulous design theft. You're right, those dodgy windshields are about as useful as chocolate fireguards. The Bio, in my opinion, is too fierce. I think I'll stick to Meths. Far too much flame to lick around the pot and get wasted with the Bio. I rather like the calmer flame and the odour from the Meths as it takes me back to boiling a brew on the Empire Stove in the beach hut 60y+yrs ago when I was a kid. Thanks for the video - it was good to see the comparison. By the way, I would say that the more stable flame of the Meths makes it quite possible - with care and in the proper stove set-up - to cook in the porch. I'd never do that with Bio.
@wildernesslifecraft8180
Жыл бұрын
I agree the bio ethanol is too harsh a heat for cooking.
@aAnd67
4 ай бұрын
Price of meths is double?!
@stevenperrin6010
2 жыл бұрын
What’s the cost of bio ethanol compared to methylated spirits, and which one boils water the quickest ?
@wildernesslifecraft8180
Жыл бұрын
Bio ethanol is slightly cheaper if bought in bulk but for a single bottle meths is cheaper.
@robertfreeman6082
Жыл бұрын
And the other issue (at least here in the UK) is that meths is widely available (I get mine from my local supermarket) whereas I haven’t been able to easily find any bio fuel in local shops and seems to be more of an on-line purchase (which whilst an option doesn’t help if you run out whilst camping somewhere but are within distance of shops)
@barrywheeler8413
Жыл бұрын
@@robertfreeman6082 places like b&q, Wickes etc sell it, think I've even seen it in Tesco or Sainsbury's but in much smaller bottles
@mikehart2555
Жыл бұрын
I've watched this, and I'm a bit puzzled. Bio Ethanol is ethanol, and methylated spirits is ethanol with a small amount of denaturing agent to make it unpleasant to drink. Essentially, they are exactly the same. Knowing this, surely the difference in performance (smaller flame, longer burn time) should be attributed to the addition of 10% water to the methylated spirits?
@wildernesslifecraft8180
Жыл бұрын
Even without the water, the colourings and additives in meths results in a longer burn time.
@mikehart2555
Жыл бұрын
@@wildernesslifecraft8180 Fair enough. Also, whilst some sources do say that methylated spirits is ethanol with taste/smell additives, after a bit of Googling it seems that the majority of sources say that there is a 10% addition of methanol, which does make sense given the 'methylated spirits' name. Would be interesting to see a comparison with propanol.
@ernieschatz3783
Жыл бұрын
Those aren't Trangia Stoves.
@matsolsson277
Жыл бұрын
please don't call it a Trangia test when not using Trangias
@wildernesslifecraft8180
Жыл бұрын
There's no difference between the stoves. They are identical.
@Big_John_C
Жыл бұрын
That was as exciting as watching paint dry
@lloydgarland4667
2 жыл бұрын
Aren't you supposed to add 10% water to the bio fuel too?
@wildernesslifecraft8180
2 жыл бұрын
No. Just the meths. The additives in the meths cause sooting, adding water reduces this and sightly increases burning time.
@kurtsteiner8384
Жыл бұрын
I dont know about mixing. But you can use methelated spirit, white spirit, parafin, bio ethenol in these stoves as they are alchol based fuels.
@dannyboy9817
Жыл бұрын
Not correct. White spirit and paraffin are not alcohol based at all. They are petroleum distillates and you most certainly can not burn them in these stoves. They will burn very dirty with a yellow sooty flame that will stink and ruin your cooking pots. These stoves are designed to burn alcohol based fuels only.
@davidbewick6885
Жыл бұрын
No, meths and bioethanol are both ethyl alcohol. The others are not alcohols.
@YerluvinunclePete
Жыл бұрын
"Bio" is just the source. Ethanol is ethanol. Unless they've added something more energy dense for the 10% that's not ethanol, methylated spirits will not produce more heat. It will be just the same joules over the longer burn time. Fewer joules over longer time if it's added water and not a volatile. So you should think about what you're cooking. If you're just boiling water, use the straight alcohol and use the methylated spirits for simmering or frying. Best to carry in straight alcohol and water it down a bit as needed. Energy density per gram carried and volume taken up is the most sensible choice.
@spacecoyote6646
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. Would you please do a follow-up video on why anyone would want to use an alcohol stove?
@SimplyLesa
2 жыл бұрын
Some people are allergic to propane. It's alcohol or wood!
@mikeharris7885
2 жыл бұрын
I am buying a Trangia because a lot of guys on KZitem use them.
@theirishoutdoorcook1207
2 жыл бұрын
Power cuts. That’s the reason I bought one. Not only that, I worked out I boil my kettle for tea/coffee 84 times in a month. I saved on electricity as my Meth fuel is only €4.00 for 500mils.
@davidgidman7561
Жыл бұрын
Fool proof, bomb proof, will last not one but many lifetimes, no working parts to go wrong, multiple methods of cooking all down to the inventiveness of the user. No noise. What’s not to like. Might be a bit slow but who’s in a rush.
@BLUESBOYBENFIELD
2 жыл бұрын
Not Trangia stoves……title is misleading……
@wildernesslifecraft8180
Жыл бұрын
The only difference is no T stamped on the bottom. Performance is the same.
@sternkiekerschnuppe6383
Жыл бұрын
Wäre Mal intersant was mehr rust
@ernielara1553
2 жыл бұрын
Your arm is alwzyss blocking the main show, the alcohol mini stove
@agesadventures
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. It's always interesting to see how different fuels fare.
@johnvidal70
3 жыл бұрын
So... watered down fuel burns slower, I never would have suspected that.
@tonyubr
2 жыл бұрын
It's less about burn time and more about btu surely?
@peetsnort
Жыл бұрын
I reckon you could mix the two. I remember a helicopter made an emergency landing for fuel at a petrol station. The pilot mixed half petrol and diesel and flew off. I have been using the old primus with diesel. It runs slightly cooler than parrafin but is much cheaper
@stukafaust
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting test. I always wondered what the point of the holes are on these? The section with the holes is separate from where the fuel is. Can anybody explain to this novice? Thanks!
@Kargol48
Жыл бұрын
The body of the burner is double walled, and the fuel seeps under the bottom of the fuel 'well' into the void between the walls. Within this void is a gauze or wick which soaks up some of the fuel. As the fuel in the well burns it heats up the inner wall of the well, heating the fuel (in the wick in the void) until the point of combustion. The hot vapours escaping from the small holes at the top of the void chamber are then ignited by the central flame from the well. This is often referred to as 'blooming'. The flames from the multiple small holes have less access to oxygen so tend to burn more efficiently with a hot blue flame rather than the yellow/orange flame from the well. Once bloomed, the central yellow/orange flame should subside, and the blue outer ring of jets increase, at which point the Trangia burner is at peak efficiency and ready to cook. The civilian Trangia burner was purpose built to benefit from the robust wind protection offered by a Trangia 25 or 27 cook system and will suffer somewhat if left exposed as in this video, but it does show that the burner will work unshielded. Whether without some form of wind protection it would boil enough water for two cups of tea is debatable, but experience tells me probably not. But then again, second hand Trangia 25 and 27 kits are often quite affordable on auction sites, and are almost bomb proof. YMMV but get out there and enjoy the outdoors!
@stukafaust
Жыл бұрын
@@Kargol48 You have illustrated the answer perfectly and I now have a clear picture in my mind as to how the how thing works. Thanks for that. I think the gap in my knowledge was the seeping of the fluid between the two sections. Cheers and thanks again.
@Kargol48
Жыл бұрын
@@stukafaust More than welcome! The bottom of the burner is embossed with the Trangia logo, these 'dips' in the floor of the well enable the fuel to migrate to the void between the double walls. Happy to have helped, ATB
@stukafaust
Жыл бұрын
@@Kargol48 I actually now have a cheap one made by a German firm called Mill-Tec. I'm only really experimenting with these things but I now understand how they work and what they are capable of. It all began when I found a 1980's Polish Army mess kit in my basement and I wanted to try using it outside.
@rld1278
Жыл бұрын
@@Kargol48 that was a great explanation!
@blueyonder1233
3 жыл бұрын
How long do you need to wait before you can refill the burner for a second burn?
@steveb1972
3 жыл бұрын
Just wait till the stove cools
@Radoslaw731
3 жыл бұрын
Thats why i carry second burner
@georgesheffield1580
Жыл бұрын
Both fuels will absorb water from the atmosphere and may already have . Isopropyl alcohol also works well (37%and 91% ) but produce alot more soot on the pans and a much more yellow flame . 151 rum works too .
@ometec
Жыл бұрын
Terminology gets all twisted. This is what I use and like best. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol_fuel
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