Yes, the person is a 22 year old raised by Poppy. I can only imagine the mental damage that causes this kid prior. No wonder they can't be a functional adult.
@x-xPhobia
4 ай бұрын
I mean yes. I'd also imagine because their mom died when they were young and now their dad is now a mom who has DID but also a degree to be a therapist like dude I feel bad af for the kid.
@BoyGeorgiaX
4 ай бұрын
7:29 > Not autistic > Is trans Yeah, sure.
@WGGplant
4 ай бұрын
most autists are too based to be trans
@mentallyillfinger
4 ай бұрын
Chud is being really dumb here. If theyre trying to get them a job, why would they cut off the internet or restrict them from going outside????
@Toastie16
4 ай бұрын
Right? lol taking the internet off Spawn will do the exact opposite. You need the internet to get a job now. Spawn was also trying to move out but Poppy gave them insanely overwhelming homework to complete whilst doing that. If this person is actually autistic then they should be trying to simplify the moving out process instead of giving them unnecessary homework on top of that too. Poppy and Zena were making it harder for Spawn to move out and get a job, not easier.
@dylanlloyd4483
4 ай бұрын
@@Toastie16 And when they had a roommate to move out with poppy started trying to guilt them into staying lol. No they realized spawn paying all the bills meant they had the power, so they tried to strip it from them
@backwardsbandit8094
4 ай бұрын
He'd already made up his mind and wasn't even listening to video which was really fucking annoying to watch
@akselandor8975
4 ай бұрын
I think his argument is that we don't know how much of this is true bc there's no corroborative evidence outside of spawn's own account.
@captainhydrodus4616
4 ай бұрын
Boomer moment
@jipen
4 ай бұрын
yea but chud THEY RAISED HIM. He became the way they though him to be of course he's a idiot ??! of course he think he has 10 different diagnoses when BOTH HIS PARENTS DO. ANd have used Their made up diagnoses on him his ENTIRE LIFE. This is to a big part on them as well?!?!
@ihateanimebutonlywhenitiso7227
4 ай бұрын
EXACTLY
@NeoNero83
4 ай бұрын
I think Chad missed part of the point of the video. The video is not to assess everyone in a situation, but it is simply critical of the actions of Poppy and Zena. It was not meant to be critical of Spawn or anyone else involved. That would be a different video entirely
@Usagi393
4 ай бұрын
If I was talking to someone who was constantly misinterpreting what I was saying/kept getting offended by it, I would totally want tone indicators. Spawn can’t go to the bathroom without Zena getting upset
@Unfortunately_Mickey
4 ай бұрын
I would imagine that Spawn wasn't really parented. Especially when you already have mental health issues to work on, you're going up a down escalator. It absolutely sucks, but the day Spawn turned 18, they became legally responsible for themselves no matter how unprepared they were. If they can't handle things on their own, it is their job to be their own advocate and get help before they end up hurting someone else or doing something irreversible. I'm sure that felt like being a deer in the headlights after a childhood like that.
@Violetrueblue
4 ай бұрын
I feel like bathing and food is a basic human right and not allowing your housemates or kids to bathe is crazy and unhinged behavior
@jogiff
4 ай бұрын
Why would you say something so brave yet controversial?
@crymouse
4 ай бұрын
LITERALLY! Even if their child was a legal adult I still think that behavior is mad abusive. Imagine if your partner refused to left you eat or bathe? The police would’ve been called!
@ellis7622
4 ай бұрын
I… disagree
@Violetrueblue
4 ай бұрын
@@crymouse I would definitely freak out if my parents told me I couldn't bathe or eat
@Duckleef
4 ай бұрын
Tom has mastered the technique of pushing the boundaries while staying monetised
@Toastie16
4 ай бұрын
“It’s not the non binary fury coming out of the closet which is interesting here but the skeletons still in it” that quote goes hard
@ellis7622
4 ай бұрын
I’m really curious if Tom wrote that himself cause it really is a great line.
@Toastie16
4 ай бұрын
@@ellis7622 he needs to do some serious writing/poetry if he came up with that because it’s fire.
@Toastie16
4 ай бұрын
They might want Spawn to get a job but taking the internet off them because of that clearly isn’t the solution. You need the internet to get a job now. Zena doesn’t work and Poppy is fine with that, they both supposedly have health issues.
@Handles_AreStupid
4 ай бұрын
It's insane how these are the same people that would get mad at you and think you are irredeemable for saying a hurtful word over a decade ago, but will blame their own actions and words on random, unrelated conditions that they self diagnose with. ADHD, autism, anxiety and depression don't cause you to be a s*x pest...
@Handles_AreStupid
4 ай бұрын
EDIT: Also, I have never seen any of those four conditions listed as an aggrevating circumstance for s3x crimes and public indecency... That is on par with commiting a war crime and blaming your lactose intolerance....
@uberhaxorzskelletor
4 ай бұрын
I think it's really cynical to criticize spawn in this way especially considering the people they have as parents and the way they were raised. A lot of the time chud comes of as jaded and close minded a lot of times but I guess chud is british so I wouldn't expect him to understand or be abke to think deeply.
@nicoliony
4 ай бұрын
Yeah they were doomed by the parenting but I read everything and I don't see anything wrong with what chud said 😂
@scarletsletter4466
4 ай бұрын
I mean… yea the mom passed & “dad” transitioned & became a furry degenerate. But spawn is mid-20s now & gotta stand on their own. Most of us don’t live with parents after 18yo
@ExceptBacon
4 ай бұрын
If you’re regularly calling your kid Spawn, and there’s no red cape involved, CPS should be involved.
@southpaw1133
4 ай бұрын
i knew i couldn't be the only one thinking this
@apricotseeds
4 ай бұрын
its their online handle LOL
@spacecadet9663
4 ай бұрын
Spawn was just their discord username right? I'm pretty sure their real name is Adrian or something along those lines
@apricotseeds
4 ай бұрын
@@spacecadet9663 correct!
@lasskinn474
4 ай бұрын
nobody whistle or poppy will disassociate and forget to give a coherent explanation for how past 20 years of her life make sense
@jipen
4 ай бұрын
IF YOU HAD BEEN RAISED BY THEM CHUD WOULD YOU BE NORMAL?! IF yes your critik of spawn is good... but come on.. Chud.. Evil crazy ppl RAISED HIM?! what odds did he have?!
@scarletsletter4466
4 ай бұрын
I hear you but if Spawn is mid-20s, don’t they have to grow up? Most of us dont live off our parents after age 18. If Spawn is too disabled to work, they’ve gotta apply for benefits etc
@izaakburningham3188
4 ай бұрын
@@scarletsletter4466 Most of us also aren't raised by trans crazies who abuse us.
@Subgenrelol
4 ай бұрын
16:43 that fucking sound effect KILLS me, Toms editor was on one for this vid
@lunaloveless7234
4 ай бұрын
Tbf i do blame poppy a bit more because over bearing parenting styles create that type of child.
@PelicanMobBoss
4 ай бұрын
Showing free transition photos makes this trans parent very transparent
@southpawslim1
4 ай бұрын
Everyone having the same perspective about a situation doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong
@DJ-wl5qo
4 ай бұрын
I will never understand why simply acknowledging that someone used to identify as a man but now identifies as a woman is considered deadnaming to these people.
@DrinkThatTea24
4 ай бұрын
I'm more inclined to believe Spawn's story in light of other weird stuff Poppy said around the time Spawn ran away, but the anti-P&Z people did drop the ball with presenting info in the Spawn doc. They should have started out with a short overview of Spawn's medical issues--the autism-related issues with food, POTS--with less editorializing right off the bat and structured the whole document more. The doc also buried and underdeveloped the part about P&Z trying to place Spawn in a conservatorship, to the point I missed it entirely until I caught someone else reading it on stream. And they absolutely should have grabbed screenshots of the stuff Poppy said on Twitter last fall to conclude the document. People could have at least verified deleted tweets through old caches, etc. if they had reference screenshots. The TLDR of the tweets I personally saw were along the lines that Spawn abandoned helping two "disabled" people, and at least one comment about the trust fund money that came off odd as well. At least some of those were on a Twitter account Poppy nuked in a fit of stupidity. (I'm not archiving this stuff myself, but occasionally tried finding a succinct way of explaining the Poppy drama to unsuspecting people who'd shared videos of theirs last fall, before the Noehflake breakup, lol.)
@HarakiriRock
4 ай бұрын
The dollar store version of Jackson Galaxy turned out to be a freak? Color me shocked.
@seanstacks3436
4 ай бұрын
That's pretty awesome chud, normally I see you angrily tell people to watch the original video when they complain but because it's the goat Turkey Tom you calmly told them to go support the original video. That's G shit right there 💪🏽
@fleontrotsky
4 ай бұрын
Aa someone who has dealt with counsellors for over 25 yeara, i have never encountered a conservative/right wing counsellor.
@lissaw4
4 ай бұрын
Are you sure you've really dealt with much outside of your personal bubble and outside of what you personally look for? There are tons - I literally have a whole list available for my medical patients. Specifically, because there are many patients who have gotten completely sucked into this silly "political team" war and talking points. Which has caused them to not even try therapy; believing they'll never find a therapist that they can relate to and feel supported by (this is true for every side of the spectrum.) There are also many conservative therapists who specialize in Christian and spiritual led therapy. Which is great, we need mental healthcare from all backgrounds, sectors, and spectrums of life!
@GeoNeilUK
4 ай бұрын
@@lissaw4 Way to talk like someone who's never really dealt with much outside of *YOUR* personal bubble and outside of what you personally look for.
@lissaw4
4 ай бұрын
@GeoNeilUK what are you on about?
@Jeff-Smith85
4 ай бұрын
@@GeoNeilUK quite the opposite, actually.
@GeoNeilUK
4 ай бұрын
@@Jeff-Smith85 "I have nothing to say, actually" So why did you post?
@spacecadet9663
4 ай бұрын
Bro DK was wildin with that title. It took me two minutes to figure out the blacked out word was HATED and not RAPED
@hmmmmmmmmmmmm938
4 ай бұрын
Having a name that sounds similar to Papa must be self-imposed deadnaming
@inandoutoftheabyss9953
4 ай бұрын
Tom is baste. Poppy is felted. Destiny is a glub shitto. Chud is an eternal sweeper Just kiddin
@MikeTsBees
4 ай бұрын
How can Chud label Spawn an adult when Poppy identifies as a 4-year-old child. We don't know what age Spawn identifies as.😂😂😂
@drscott7359
4 ай бұрын
A lawyer totally would, they usually say don’t say anything and shut down socials, but they might review and give advice on what to leave out.
@negatron86
4 ай бұрын
I hope when Chud’s kid hits 18 he talks the same way as he does Spawn. He’s way too cynical to Spawn.
@nicoliony
4 ай бұрын
😂 you don't like what this guy said so you hope he's as abusive as poppy and Zena were? To his child 😂 ? Idkkkkkk sounds unhinged
@ellis7622
4 ай бұрын
@@nicoliony people say shit like this all the time and I’ve never understood why they think wishing harm on an innocent person is justified.
@doubledrum2
4 ай бұрын
@@nicolionyhe said he hopes Chud keeps that same energy with his own kid that he does with Spawn. Nothing to do with Zena and Poppy abuse.
@negatron86
4 ай бұрын
@@nicoliony You should be a boxer with all that reach you got. Doubledrum2 said it perfectly.
@nicoliony
4 ай бұрын
@@doubledrum2 what same energy 🤣 ?? This makes even less sense. 🤣🤣
@pr4208
4 ай бұрын
10:00 TRUE the Sic drunk driving call had me crying from laughing, good stuff 😂👍
@freddieoblivion6122
4 ай бұрын
Those "multiples" are just names they like.
@MothBallsYT
4 ай бұрын
Is there gonna be a video of cyraxx? I was 95% done the vod and it disappeared
@lunaloveless7234
4 ай бұрын
It literally makes no sense to diagnose someone with BPD and other specified personality disorder. BPD is a personality disorder. Other specified isnt commonly used but its basically a diagnosis for when your doctor thinks you kind of do have a personality disorder but you dont really fully fit into any of the pre existing conditions. Its when youre like an edge case. You cant say someone has BPD as a diagnosis but then also say they have a second diagnosis of a personality disorder but it doesnt fit the criteria for any of them in the same breath. If you have BPD then thats that. This is a clear sign of self diagnosis
@Usagi393
4 ай бұрын
It’s also a self diagnosis because she claims the BPD manifested from a Buddhism practice. The DSM-5 explicitly states that you cannot diagnose someone if the behavior/symptom is part of a religious practice/belief.
@backwardsbandit8094
4 ай бұрын
It was OSDD, which is otherwise specified dissociative disorder. So a dissociative disorder, not a personality disorder. Not the same. Also they're larping as DID when OSDD doesn't really have anything in common with DID lol
@JooseWillis
4 ай бұрын
This story is absolutely insane
@TheFakeGooberGoblin
4 ай бұрын
I piss blood
@dulcebelluminexpertis4147
4 ай бұрын
nice.
@fleontrotsky
4 ай бұрын
My hero
@Alej0xXx
4 ай бұрын
Not lindy
@Jeff-Smith85
4 ай бұрын
Someone please tell me what video this is referring to! I need to know wtf is happening lol
@Frizzyy
4 ай бұрын
I'm glad mine is a healthy green colour
@djadja6357
4 ай бұрын
Wait a second... Can someone explain how Zena got kicked out of a boy's scouts thing for being a lesbian?😂 I can't make heads or tails of that... You have to be a boy to be in boy scouts still right? Sooo how can you be a lesbian? This is an honest question lol I don't get it
@qty-
4 ай бұрын
she was a boy scouts camp counsellor and got fired 😂 not an actual boy scout
@djadja6357
4 ай бұрын
@@qty- right but don't you have to be a man to be a counselor? And if your a man how can you be a lesbian? Lol
@NuclearSad
4 ай бұрын
@@djadja6357nah we had girl counselors in boy scout camp. I got super good at swimming and diving one summer cause there was this swimming instructor with a beautiful rack and she let me look at them the last week of the summer. It was tight.
@kennythawsh
4 ай бұрын
“Spawn” is a child yet they’re tweeting shit…? I’m so fucking confused. Also listening to this while working so probably missed some shit
@backwardsbandit8094
4 ай бұрын
No they're 22 when posting this, but they're talking a bit about how they were raised and their current home situation. Spawn is their username that they're using as an alias online
@Getsum420
4 ай бұрын
Chud is basing his entire opinion off of the one Spawn doc ignoring the other 4 documents of other victims
@ellis7622
4 ай бұрын
Chud just has a reactionary disgust to those type of people, even if there’s a legitimate reason they’ve turned out like that. We all have our biases I suppose.
@GeoNeilUK
4 ай бұрын
Ot also hjas to be pointed out that while MzMilena was writing and publishing the Z&P documents, they were also sweeping *HARD* for Rainbow Passage and Animal J Smith.
@DrinkThatTea24
4 ай бұрын
She also released a doc about her association with AnnieGal shortly before she (temporarily) yanked them all back down after Turkey Tom's video released. It's on one of the main points of contention between her and Courtney Peet/Orchard (Lily Orchard's sister). AT BEST she pulled a Tipster herself in defending someone who was clearly posting pro-loli stuff in public, and she didn't address other accusations from Courtney and Britt (another LO/Z&P victim), like that she was deliberately squashing Z&P's victims from discussing Poppy's incest or ageplay kinks. Courtney's own blog keeps getting nuked by Lily Orchard and/or LIly stans, but Britt claimed recently that she "found out [Milena's] been throwing out threats of trying to sue and legally gag Courtney and myself for 'libel' and was trying to get Annie's help to do it."
@ellis7622
4 ай бұрын
Ok so poppy is a MTF trans but wtf is zena? I somehow still don’t know even after watching the video.
@booboobooboo5524
4 ай бұрын
Transmasc, I think.
@GeoNeilUK
4 ай бұрын
When I first saw Turkey Tom's video on this, my first thought was that Tom was late to the party. This situation came out months ago! Ever the DemonMama to Moooooooo Tahhhhhhhh! Goddamnit Malcolm is still on this months later, I'm still surprised Bigbunjeee hasn't got on this already, he'd have a field day, the phrase "standard trans hours" would feature often and he'd end it with Dr Hook's Only Sixteen (as a reference to the age difference between Poppy and *ALL* of their online polyamours (also 🧛♀, get those Camdan Jirrard Davis emotes in chat, lads and lasses!) Of course, Z&Ps "victims" I think the time when you really hold children responsible for their own actions and not just blame the parents is when they get to fly the nest. If Spawn had always lived with Poppy from birth, they don't really have a chance (also, Spawn's pretty much been raised to be a bed blob. Poppy's driven into their brain that even the slightest malaise is an invisible disability) Also, I used to follow Poppy on Twitter, it's like a porn bot but furry. No. Lie. And the "victims" are just as bad, these were the ones who screeched at President Sunday for not doing his research, while he was doing his research... in fact, Sunday's chat behaved very much like this chat! I think Kuihamn defended Poppy & Zena because they were behaving like the DWP during Austerity! Chud would probably approve!
@milesdp1990
4 ай бұрын
Came for the Turkey. Stayed for the Tom.
@Alex_the_Dad
4 ай бұрын
Zena and poppy dont seem like peaches, but spawns documents reads out like an entitled problem child. "They wouldnt let me eat food!!! I was supposed to make food an hour ago so they could cook dinner this is tyranny! No i wont cook after theyre done ill just starve!!" Just my 2 cent
@deepseamonster2436
4 ай бұрын
Thing is Spawn has tried to make food after they made dinner, Zena would throw a bitch fit about it. There's even a time where Zena was in the kitchen when Spawn was also attempting to cook with their allotted time, Zena basically threw a bitch fit, and Poppy kicked Spawn out of the kitchen for Zena I'm fully convinced Zena lives in the kitchen like a fucking troll.
@ihateanimebutonlywhenitiso7227
4 ай бұрын
You miss the part where Poppy and Zena told this child they have a bunch of mental issues while using THEIR mental issues to justify why they could be a douche to their child. If the parents are entitled to thinking nobody should be in their space or use the kitchen for “alone time” then no doubt the child is going to become entitled as well.
@backwardsbandit8094
4 ай бұрын
Imagine growing up with "you're not allowed in the living room or kitchen because it's my private time and if you come in I'll kick you out. No I won't just go to my room like a normal fucking person. I'm staying in here for hours and no you're not allowed any food" Yeah you'd fucking lose it. By the time you flee the nest, you're not going to suddenly be a rational normal adult at 18, you're going to be completely fucked in the head because you have no idea how to interact with society like a normal person.
@terribleplayer2526
4 ай бұрын
Turkey tom videos stopped hitting at all when he blew up, idk why i just don't like his stuff anymore
@hella_Hellbent
4 ай бұрын
Channel growth allows him to outsource research and script writing. Quantity goes up, quality goes down. Good for him for getting the bag tho
@terribleplayer2526
4 ай бұрын
@@hella_Hellbent yeah no hate towards him tbh i just don't like the new stuff it feels less organic
@backwardsbandit8094
4 ай бұрын
his TomDark content is way better tbh
@paigeyssims_2004
4 ай бұрын
ofc Tipster would defend Poppy & Zena
@Ian00003
4 ай бұрын
Poppy looks the same just has black and red hair with some lipsticks
@TheCentristChad
4 ай бұрын
Happy Pride month 😂
@r.w.9631
4 ай бұрын
Literally everyone missed chuds point
@backwardsbandit8094
4 ай бұрын
Chud straight up ignored the parts where they're pointing out how Poppy and Zena are stopping them from getting a job and moving out. They sound like a fucking nightmare of a person but given the household they were raised in, I'm surprised they're even fucking literate. You don't magically grow out of being raised in a household that fucked up. That's a r*tarded understanding of the world.
@crypto_kitty4161
4 ай бұрын
Sic catching strays 💀💀
@lazyyoshi3600
4 ай бұрын
I puke blood
@jChocoKettle
4 ай бұрын
Fooking hilarious
@amoongoos
4 ай бұрын
I pooped
@betty4833
4 ай бұрын
Ah dude.. Ellen page is one of the most poetic tragedies of our era.. she was beautiful.. what a tortured soul.
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