Please all pilots reading this. I'm a Boston Center Controller for 28 yrs. Please aviate turn your plane if you have emergency! Declare Emergency. Put in 7700 as soon as you can. Don't wait for ATC to issue any clearance. You have priority. I understand maybe hazmat materials on cargo would be nice to tell but as a controller I always hated asking fuel and souls on board. Pilots are busy enough in that stage. Just a thought souls and fuel be put in before take off check list
@OCnStiggs
3 жыл бұрын
No kidding. Big patterns after an engine failure puts the plane at unnecessary risk. AVIATE. NAVIGATE. COMMUNICATE. Fly the plane! This guy called for a heading and they clearly had lost sight, easy at night, low altitude over water. The 200 would drift down from cruise altitudes when heavy but had good power single engine. I used to fly 200's from Sacramento to Honolulu routinely. The T-43A was the 200 Advanced. We practiced single engine ops routinely and the plane flew fine, with one at idle, even during a go-around at high density altitudes like Fallon, Nevada.
@Bolivar2012able
3 жыл бұрын
Totally Agree!
@phil_nicholls
3 жыл бұрын
@robert ATC thank you. I’d love to know something from a US perspective if I may (I’m U.K. based, but I’m sure we’ll have spoken before as a fairly regular visitor to the US, and indeed Boston). Why is there, or at least, there seems to be, a reluctance to declare ‘MayDay’ stateside? I’ve heard it on numerous tapes now, or rather the lack of it. It immediately gets everyone on frequency on the same page - other aircraft will shut up, and the controller might also give them some space to actually finish their transmission! In this instance, it took a couple of minutes before the controller was aware of anything being wrong, other than an aircraft not obeying her heading instructions. Not a criticism of the controller, or the pilots, but just something that I’ve heard, or not heard, numerous times now - and it only appears to be the States!🤷🏼♂️
@hughjardon5101
3 жыл бұрын
"810 we have an emergency, standby" Or "Mayday, mayday, mayday" Which gets someone's attention better? As already asked, why are US pilots so reluctant to use the ICAO recognised means of communicating an emergency? Even if they decided it wasn't a dire emergency then a "Pan" call is still more attention getting than "we have an emergency"...
@QemeH
3 жыл бұрын
@@hughjardon5101 The same is true in firefighting. We are also trained to use the mayday call incase shit goes sideways and it's just as important to train and use it. Just a few month ago I was what can probably be best compared to a safety officer in the US on a scene here in my home town and we had two crews operating inside the structure, when suddenly the volume of radio traffic increased. A lot of it wasn't really readable, but there were words like "collapsing" and "jumped over" in there, so although I wasn't in their chain of command, I jumped on the radio and just barked: "Engine 1, report status!" - which finally prompted them to reply with: "Mayday, mayday, mayday. Firefighter trapped after ceiling collaps." The radio immediately fell dead silent, while the scene suddenly jumped into buzzing activity. Luckily, the incident wasn't as bad as it first sounded - our rescue team was able to reach the injured firefighter very quick and got him out of the collapse (turns out it wasn't the actual ceiling, but rather the heavy wood panelling that came down), so in the end he's enjoying a few weeks off duty with a broken leg and nothing more. But this incident, once again, impressed on me how important it is to not only train *how* to do a mayday call, but also *when* to do it.
@lawrenceedger292
3 жыл бұрын
I’m a retired ATC Manager and it makes me very uncomfortable to see one controller working both ground traffic and airborne traffic.
@mikeschultze3135
3 жыл бұрын
With all the automation in ATC with PDC (Pre Departure Clearance) I still wonder what was staffing in tower? Was somebody on break, lunch or called in sick? That lady was doing tower, ground and clearance delivery. It appears running checklists was more important than turning directly back to the airport. Memory items first. Fly the airplane. My gut feeling is a fuel truck dumped contaminated fuel into the aircraft. What they teach at AA training and it's not written. Click Click, Click, Click. Shut down the autopilot and auto throttles. Know what the aircraft is doing.
@lawrenceedger292
3 жыл бұрын
And that same controller was also working IFR Approach/Departure Control (hence the phraseology “radar contact” and the issuing of radar vectors for an ILS or Visual Approach.
@Part_121
3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering about that myself. Isn’t it stretching things kind of thin to have one person in the tower of an airport in Class B airspace, no matter the time of day? Did they not learn from the woman at KLAS who had the stroke while on duty?
@morganghetti
3 жыл бұрын
Atc managment is precisely why so many facilities are critically staffed.
@bobbrandt6383
3 жыл бұрын
@@Part_121 j
@antoinemifsud8781
3 жыл бұрын
Peter Nielsen died in vain then !! How is a controller left alone covering multiple frequencies at once at night is beyond me !!!, glad that the pilots made it out alive 🙏🏻🙏🏻
@Jablicek
3 жыл бұрын
Oh my, I just took a look at this accident. It seems we never learn.
@NoMoreAloha
3 жыл бұрын
RIP Peter
@Hans_R._Wahl
3 жыл бұрын
Indeed. A very good question.
@arcdestriumph586
Жыл бұрын
Controller was working at 1:30 in the morning. Perhaps dual controllers end at 11 or Midnight when traffic drops to nothing.
@evracer
3 жыл бұрын
Anyone who successfully ditches an aircraft of that size is a hero....even if the only people on board are the flight crew.
@watchgoose
3 жыл бұрын
yep, really proud of these guys.
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043
3 жыл бұрын
And at night, at that!
@Nikowalker007
3 жыл бұрын
Any landing you can walk away is a great landing. This guys are 100% professionals, they really knew what to do, I'm really happy both pilots are alive. Big props to the Coast Guard as well for being so fast
@rickdecastro4584
3 жыл бұрын
@@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 Well, you know the procedure at night: When you get close to the surface, turn the landing lights on. If you don't like what you see? Turn them off.
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043
3 жыл бұрын
@@rickdecastro4584 • Lol, Exactly! And get as many prayers in as you can!
@aengberg1
3 жыл бұрын
I've said it before and I'll say it again - if you've got an emergency make a MAYDAY call. It focuses minds. The controller will immediately understand your aircraft is in peril. Having to make multiple calls to declare an emergency is unnecessary and adds to an already massive workload.
@hscollier
3 жыл бұрын
The pilots must’ve done a lot of things right to get their aircraft down safely enough to survive. Very glad they were able to ditch safely.
@stevegiboney4493
3 жыл бұрын
At night too!
@keithalexander7953
3 жыл бұрын
They're gonna be insufferable, right? :) Beer's gonna be on them. "Not that story again." lol
@randominternet5586
3 жыл бұрын
Except dual engine failures often have a human component to them vs an unlucky simultaneous engine failure.
@AviationNut
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah they did an amazing job especially since they ditched in the ocean at night. Ditching in the ocean almost never ends good because the water is not calm compared to smaller lakes or river. Maybe it was fuel contamination that caused both engines to fail, but who knows dual engine failure is extremely rare, unfortunately it does still happen, usually it's either a bird strike, fuel starvation or fuel contamination, or some serious pilot error.
@timtrottproductions
3 жыл бұрын
Engines out: .. “are you able to climb at all?” With what??
@rogerfroud300
3 жыл бұрын
Ditching in the dark has to be incredibly challenging, they did an amazing job to walk away from that.
@allangibson2408
3 жыл бұрын
Swim away more likely… walking on water is beyond the ability of most pilots (regardless of what they might think).
@hualani6785
3 жыл бұрын
Wish they walked away, 1=critical & 1=serious. Seeking updates at 48+zhrs
@pablocruise678
3 жыл бұрын
I’m sure sully is proud..
@stay_at_home_astronaut
3 жыл бұрын
@@allangibson2408 there it is!
@livelyupmyself1
3 жыл бұрын
…There are SUPER SHALLOW reefs in that area so there is a *possibility* they could’ve found a reef to stand on and keep there heads above water, but judging by where the plane sank too it doesn’t look like it. Anytime someone ditches in water like that a big fear is the belly getting ripped apart by a shallow reef.
@CaptainJadenAR
3 жыл бұрын
The good thing is that both pilots survived, sir.
@PapaG603
3 жыл бұрын
Should he have just landed or continued with the checklist
@CaptainJadenAR
3 жыл бұрын
George PapaGeorgiou Well, in Simple Flying news, they told that it wasn't able to reach the airport. The altitude was reducing rapidly.
@PapaG603
3 жыл бұрын
@@CaptainJadenAR oh I'm sorry I thought they had flown quite close and in circles while trying to complete the list..that would make sense
@SteamCrane
3 жыл бұрын
@@CaptainJadenAR They lost an engine, and just kept flying away from the airport, instead of making an immediate return.
@fhturner3
3 жыл бұрын
@@PapaG603 , why would you think that? The ground track is prominently displayed for most of Juan’s video…
@AugustTha2nd
3 жыл бұрын
omg I used to work for transair at maui airport and knew both pilots praying for them both
@hualani6785
3 жыл бұрын
August Tha II - TY4sharing. May hv acquaintance w/1. Any updated medical? QMC? Or over to Stanford?
@richardrock8287
3 жыл бұрын
As always, the go-to place for quality analysis
@bullitt7544
3 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more.
@SuperM1man
3 жыл бұрын
i have never watched one of these but I'm a professional now
@edhawkins1
3 жыл бұрын
Love that Coast Guard Interview! Young people doing an excellent job and personal interview.
@JohnDebrey
3 жыл бұрын
As a fellow pilot I can say you’re by far the best person to watch for this kind of stuff. I won’t bother going anywhere else…. Thanks for doing what you do and giving regular people an accurate understanding of aviation accident reports!
@moxievintage1390
3 жыл бұрын
It’s great to discover Sir Juan 💪🏽👍🏽!
@shenandoahhills7263
3 жыл бұрын
The B737 early versions came with a whole series of JT8D engines, the -7, -9, -15,-17. The -15, and -17 powered versions, which were constructed in the later stages, had plenty of power and performance. We called then "airwolf" because they were loud and could really scoot. We lost an engine on a 200 series, -9 powered aircraft, and I can tell you from personal experience that it flew beautifully on one engine. Actually had to call the cabin and inform the passengers since they would have never known had we not informed them. The B727 also used the JT8s, some airlines actually ordered them with -7s which were under powered. The last versions could be ordered with the -17R which would kick butt.
@carltrano1325
3 жыл бұрын
-17 kicks butt and eats fuel like a pig😎 and they are still trucking to this day is a Testament to The reliability of the jt8d as they still put money in my paycheck 👍
@shenandoahhills7263
3 жыл бұрын
@@carltrano1325 Agree, PSA used to truck down the left coast in the '27 running on the barber pole, I seem to remember that was around 395 kts indicated. I would lay money on the fact that this crew shut down the wrong engine, as with single source fueling, single point fueling, other aircraft would have been affected. To fly away from an assured landing to run some checklists was insanity. Actually they could have left the engine running, turned downwind, extended the gear on base, gone to flaps 20, and not run a single checklist, except maybe the landing checklist, and have easily and safely returned to the airport. As the Capt my frame of mind would be focused on the return while the F/O could run the drill, but there is almost never a hurry to cage an engine since it is isolated from the airframe by the engine pylon. I would have normally reached up and fired up the APU as a backup, as that comes later in the engine failure checklist.
@MatthijsvanDuin
3 жыл бұрын
FAA registration for the accident aircraft says it's a 1975 Boeing 737-275C with JT8D-9A engines.
@christopherbatty3837
3 жыл бұрын
@@shenandoahhills7263 well & aptly said. Me ditto.
@shenandoahhills7263
3 жыл бұрын
@@MatthijsvanDuin The -9 engine had quite sufficient power, the -15 and -17 were more like overkill. The aircraft was originally designed as a short haul, essentially feeder aircraft but eventually morphed into am entirely different animal.
@garywilser7802
3 жыл бұрын
The request by the pilot to notify the coast guard and the controller acting on that request saved both pilots lives. The rescue by those USCG helicopter pilots was truly amazing and underscores the value of high quality training. Truly outstanding professionalism.
@Hopeless_and_Forlorn
3 жыл бұрын
B737-200 mechanic here. I hope Juan did not speak too soon about this not being a case of shutting down the wrong engine. Why a crew involved in in an engine loss after takeoff cannot configure for emergency landing in less than a minute with no reference to checklists is beyond me. If the field is in sight, keep it there. Also, having seen the corrosion damage done to 737 aircraft which have consistently operated from seaside airports, I would have expected this airplane to shred like a paper sack upon ditching. So happy the crew is safe after all.
@70slandshark47
2 жыл бұрын
Hopeless,, I too worked on 737's and from the video, it sounded like the pilots kept a cool head and did not shut down the good engine. I just hope they fired up the APU and maintain hydraulic and electrical power. Can't wait to see what the investigation reveals regarding the engine failures. I've been racking my brains out over this.
@johngreenway3669
3 жыл бұрын
I think ATC did a fantastic job, stayed calm and did everything in her power to help the pilots, I have been flying for 44 years, with my share of problems, she is one of the best ever, well done j
@nightshift5201
3 жыл бұрын
Heavy workload on the controller and pilots. When a controller gives you a heading to vector you around traffic it's clear she didn't hear your emergency call. The word Mayday said three times is the way to make your situation perfectly clear.
@Joe-bm4wx
3 жыл бұрын
And squawk 7700. Gets their attention really fast.
@cm5754
3 жыл бұрын
The thing I don't understand is why the pilots decided to fly out to sea to run checklists. The controller gave them immediate clearance to land, and they declined it?
@Joe-bm4wx
3 жыл бұрын
@@cm5754 confusion, getting lost in checklists, fatigue, etc. tons of reasons why.
@nightshift5201
3 жыл бұрын
@@cm5754 Airlines have their own engine out departure procedure for each airport and most airlines departing HNL show a turn to the right and a climb to a predetermined altitude. This gets you away from the hills and traffic. The chances of a second engine failing are a zillion to one, but it happened here!
@The98597thMark
3 жыл бұрын
Or she did and didn't realise the severity of the emergency. Aircraft in the US "declare an emergency" all the time but without any pan-pan/mayday distinction it means pointless and dangerous back and forth to ascertain the situation.
@bullitt7544
3 жыл бұрын
Of the many Tower Control Emergencies I have listened to in my days, this was the BEST. Now you are really cooking Juan. I spent years of HF MilCom and FCT listening and was amazed that this Control tower did not have another operator taking other traffic and someone dedicated solely to the Emergency call? Same Freq Non Emerg Traffic is too much. I don't think even us Hams do that. Huh ATC needs to do some hiring. Mistakes are just too easy to make when other crafts with near identical call signs are approaching, landing and taking off simultaneously. Great Call by the Pilot for the CG.
@navy57
3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that the controller apparently was alone in the tower. She was way too overloaded! Even the "your extended car warranty " spammers have a supervisor. That said -- and I'm not an aviator -- I believe that both of the pilots and the controller made the "nearly" fatal mistake of flying AWAY to seaward for so long after the initial engine failure. The plane was in trouble THEN! That was when the pilot to declare an emergency with a loud "Mayday" and turn back to PHNL-- while he still had one engine working. Instead it seems that he and his copilot spent a lot of effort going through check lists -- "fiddling while Rome burned", so to speak. The timely call to the Coast Guard -- and the successful open water landing - were the only bright spots in what otherwise seems to have been an old-fashioned "goat rope."
@xflyingtiger
3 жыл бұрын
Throttle closed (verify), engine start lever cutoff (verify), fire handle pull (verify), head for the airport. Do the check list on the way if you have time. The only thing you need to know is to put the gear and flaps down. Too much screwing around. I'm glad these guys survived.
@guidospaini7339
3 жыл бұрын
Very good! both survived. It is going to be very interesting to know what happened. As always Juan, a professional, facts based report. Thanks, you are spoiling us, don't expect anything less. 😁
@AMStationEngineer
3 жыл бұрын
Godspeed to both pilots - wishing them the best/most rapid recovery possible, and farewell to that "grand ol' bird", she may have been an "old hen", but she did her best to save those aboard. Remove her fuel reserves, oil reserves, hydraulic reserves, and any hazmat; Hawaii will do well with this 'grande dame' working her final assignment - as a reef.... Great job, Juan!
@SIGINT007
3 жыл бұрын
Glad the crew survived. The radio traffic was atrocious.
@bluehornet6752
3 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Seems that the pilots never considered that they might lose the second engine. I mean, why in the heck are you flying out to 10+ miles offshore, when you've lost one engine? Certainly there are checklists to run, but FLY PARALLEL to the shoreline, and remain within a couple of miles. The odds of a double engine failure likely seemed very remote to them, I'm sure. But when you've just become a single-engine aircraft, why add more risk?
@bluehornet6752
3 жыл бұрын
Say the magic words: "MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY! Rhoads Express 810 has lost an engine and requests priority. We need a heading to remain within 3 miles of the shoreline in preparation for returning to the airport." Problem solved. Well, that problem anyway. If both engines were "running hot" as the one pilot seemed to indicate, you have to wonder if the things were low on oil or something? Seems weird that both engines had the same problem. Fuel- or oil-related problem perhaps?
@locoHAWAIIANkane
3 жыл бұрын
@@bluehornet6752 I think the pilot’s May have been trying to make it to Kalaeloa airfield, just shy of where they went down.
@bills6093
3 жыл бұрын
Is that how it actually happened, or caused by the way the recordings work?
@muzzcovw7674
3 жыл бұрын
Atrocious is a perfect word for it sir!
@Tomcattube1
3 жыл бұрын
Wow what an amazing job by that controller! Not only is she running the emergency, but she’s handling departures and approaches as well as ground traffic! I wouldn’t be surprised if she also was responsible for getting coffee for the airport manager. She deserves a commendation.
@cmdredstrakerofshado1159
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Hey Hey it's the Original 737 Fat Albert! As the first and second generation 737 were not so affectionately referred to as the were always under powered a dog to climb to altitude with max loads. Although it was a tad confused (ATC) at first the Pilot immediately declared emergency when the engine went out. They really need 2 ATC 24 hours a day.
@COIcultist
3 жыл бұрын
If you see Sid, tell him. Oh! Sorry wrong SID.
@Markle2k
3 жыл бұрын
Fat Albert is the -100. The super short one that almost nobody ordered. The actual individual aircraft with that nickname was the prototype that was gifted to NASA and spent a couple decades with them. It's now at the Seattle Museum of Flight, I believe.
@allangibson2408
3 жыл бұрын
The non-international standard emergency procedures used in the US contribute to the confusion - saying Emergency rather than Mayday…
@emergencylowmaneuvering7350
3 жыл бұрын
A heavy airplane night ditching in 5 feet swells. Tough one., tough one..
@eduardoletti5537
3 жыл бұрын
Juan, I have about 7000 hours on B737-200s and I'm currently flying a VIP model with JT8D-17 Engines. We were based in Honolulu with this aircraft for a good number of years, so I know the area very well. The -17s produce 16,000 lbs full rated thrust. Single engine performance at MGTOW is in accordance with FAR requirements for a 2.4% positive gradient on the second segment. According to the FAA registration website, N810TA is equipped with JT8D-9A engines each producing up to 14,000 lbs of thrust. Flying a short sector from Honolulu to Maui, and with only 2 hours of fuel on board, we can assume this airplane was not near its Maximum Takeoff Weight. The Weight and Balance will probably reveal a takeoff weight limited by maximum landing weight (MLW), typical for short sector flights (MLW + Trip Fuel). Listening to the ATC transmission, it looks like they first lost #1 engine, and in the process of executing the checklists eventually lost #2 due to over temperature. The NTSB investigation will reveal the cause of both engine failures. The Engine Failure and Shutdown Checklist is a reference procedure on the B737-200, not a recall item. However, Boeing QRH states that "The pilot flying may also direct reference procedures to be done by recall if no hazard is created by such action, or if the situation does not allow reference to a checklist". It's not a bad idea to have a game plan of turning back to the airport immediately after takeoff in an emergency situation is encountered. Specially if you have VMC conditions and a 12,000 ft runway behind you like in Honolulu. "Gear Down, Flaps 15, Set Vref 15, Gnd Prox Flap Inhibit and let's go for that big reef runway." I'm glad the crew got out of it in time and great job by the Coast Guard.
@arcdestriumph586
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this Eduardo.. These guys broke an airplane in half instead of landing it. Once I knew their destination was Maui I figured their weight was fine to land. Listening to the pilot was infuriating..
@PatrickJWenzel
3 жыл бұрын
I tip my hat to the controller for managing the rock sandwich that is her workplace.
@BillySugger1965
3 жыл бұрын
Superb coverage as ever, Juan! Great to have an experienced aviator covering these incidents.
@GeorgeMCMLIX
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Informative, professional and attention to detail A1 as always 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@loquayrocks
3 жыл бұрын
it's amazing that that plane was 45 years old and still going, especially in Hawaii after what happened there previously
@davidobyrne9549
3 жыл бұрын
Not amazing at all, if properly maintained and with hours/cycles remaining on the airframe, there is no reason to not fly a 45 year old plane. DC3 and C46 planes still fly regular cargo flights in NW Canada and both of those types are more than 75 years old. Lockheed Electras are over 60 years old and still flying reliably.
@hualani6785
3 жыл бұрын
loquayrocks Referencing what? Been PHNL since 1963. 🤐 Any recent medical u/d for crew? Last was 1=critical; 1=serious. QMC?
@billg7205
3 жыл бұрын
I was surprised when Aloha Airlines still had the 152nd 737-200 built in service when the large roof section departed, and that was ages ago. Seemed old at the time, at around 20 years old.
@salemsurveying
3 жыл бұрын
Juan --you are the best reporter on these aircraft mishaps and on just about any subject (motorcycle, orrville dam, forest fires, etc) Think you research and just stay with the facts why the heck can't my other news sources be more like you.
@blancolirio
3 жыл бұрын
"Just the Facts!"
@barryrawat
3 жыл бұрын
The Pilots have done some GREAT work in ditching, especially by night !! Good Show to them and Great job done by the Coast Guard in effecting a rescue by night at such a short notice 👏 Allz well that ends well 🙏
@ChristinaK1024
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not for American exceptionalism, and I think any well trained coast guard like Canada, UK, France, etc could have been able to pull that off, but that USCG crew should have a smile from ear to ear for the next year. It was a total "F yeah" result.
@TyphoonVstrom
3 жыл бұрын
Frankly, I am shocked how overworked that controller was. Given how many freighters island hop through Honalulu at night, it's disgraceful. I think this ditching highlights how Sullenberg's crew successfully ditching into the Hudson has shown pilots around the world that a water ditching is a very viable and survivable option, and well worth considering and executing. What makes this particular ditching well executed is that not only was it done open ocean, but at night. It shows large aircraft will stay together long enough to keep people alive in this situation.
@ChristinaK1024
3 жыл бұрын
Theoretically this 737-200 should be pretty good at a water ditch if you can pull off a level stall with those low bypass cigars on the wings. No huge dinner plates that dig into the water like Sully's airbus had.
@Nibb31
3 жыл бұрын
It sounds like the aircraft broke up after ditching, since there were reportedly cargo containers and the rudder floating on the surface when the USCG helicopter arrived. So it probably wasn't as smooth as the Hudson river ditching and there could have been many fatalities if it had been a passenger aircraft.
@TyphoonVstrom
3 жыл бұрын
@@ChristinaK1024 True, but consider the odds. Night time. Open ocean. Back of the clock operations. Very soon after takeoff (startle factor). Well done I say.
@arcdestriumph586
Жыл бұрын
Controller was dealing w 2 planes in the video ... Overworked?
@Globalflyr
3 жыл бұрын
1. BZ Airsta Barbers Point. Semper Paratus! 2. You don’t need long, involved checklists to land a jet. Remember the acronym GFARTS: Gear, flaps, air brakes (or spoilers), reversers, trims, and speeds (V2 will get you real close to Vref). Get it on the ground and deal with the other stuff later. Nice job, JB, thanks. Retired Coast Guard Aviator.
@GA-1st
3 жыл бұрын
Lordy, that was intense! So glad they made it out alive. Great coverage, Juan. Truly!
@Studio23Media
3 жыл бұрын
Dang, you managed to beat Victor this time! He must be taking a (well-earned) day off. Thanks for the great, quick report, Juan.
@JTLaser1
3 жыл бұрын
Just watched the two interviews of the Coasties, it’s great to see them get some recognition. I’m also thrilled that the co-pilot and flight engineer were able to have a great outcome on their first rescue. These Coast Guard crews are absolute Heroes!
@lizj5740
3 жыл бұрын
Here's another interview with the pilot and co-pilot of the rescue helicopter. The interviews by KHON seem to have disappeared; at least, I can't find them. But this one is actually better than the KHON interview was: www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/07/02/watch-coast-guard-releases-video-cargo-plane-crash-rescue-off-oahu/. Scroll down the screen until you see the pic with the two Coasties.
@megadavis5377
3 жыл бұрын
That was always a frustrating element of flying into and out of Hawaii: One controller for every five-hundred-million square miles... It was always refreshing to get back into Oceanic airspace. I'm sure you've been dealing with that for a while, also. In any event, so glad this crew made it out. I wonder can they get those engines...??
@2Phast4Rocket
3 жыл бұрын
If you add more flights, they will have more controllers.
@tomriley5790
3 жыл бұрын
Unlikely, it gets very deep very quickly off Hawaii (as with all atolls) but I guess it depends how much they want to pay for it.
@stevecarey5918
3 жыл бұрын
Holy crap, on the edge of my seat during your video. I had experience with the 737-200 20 years ago with a major carrier and several years flying Navy SAR in the SH-3. Bravo Zulu to all the crews.
@ffinybryn
3 жыл бұрын
Controller did a fantastic job. She kept cool, asked the right questions, gave the right info and had to deal with ground emergency teams, the coast guard and other traffic.
@mischafellner2892
3 жыл бұрын
I’m confused.....why would this be demonetized? Isn’t this a true playby play safety and training video at this point? Not a certified training. But a real time recent example. Broken down and studied. Isn’t this exactly what other pilots NEED to hear. Gentle reminders keep everyone on their toes and trained up. Wouldn’t this be the exact type of video that the world would want monetized? Perfect example of great content that NEEDS TO BE SHARED. Kinda beautiful in a way. Thank you sir for sharing. Oh ya and by the way ty for all the great Oroville lake reports too.
@timothyskattum950
3 жыл бұрын
I’m breathing heavily while watching. Juan, once again your non-biased truth and insight is brilliant. Nobody should subscribe to the fake and overhyped news outlets. You rock sir. You are my source for the reality when it comes to what’s happening in the world of aviation and so much more. Love you brother Juan....
@blancolirio
3 жыл бұрын
I was breathing hard too just listening to this...!
@reggierico
3 жыл бұрын
Well done to the crew and the controller during this tense emergency situation. Outstanding job to the Coast Guard for launching in a timely manner and getting those guys out of the water. I have several thousand hours on the 200 and although it is a fun airplane to fly, single engine not so much, especially if heavy. Those P&W JT8's are pretty indestructible engines so it will be interesting to find out what happened. Fuel contamination is a possibility. The crew mentioned that the remaining engine, #2 was running very hot and that they might lose it as well. If you lose one of those engines, or if your power seems inadequate, don't hesitate to advance the remaining engine(s) in order to keep altitude. This was an issue with Air Florida all those years ago when they had bad EPR's due to iced over engine temperature probes. I hope the crew makes a full recovery. Great post, as usual, Juan.
@RK-kn1ud
3 жыл бұрын
This is going to be an exciting Final Report. I like the ones where people aren't injured!
@andrewsnow7386
3 жыл бұрын
Both pilots were injured. The reports I read were one pilot is in serious and one in critical condition.
@RK-kn1ud
3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewsnow7386 That is news to me.. thank you for the info. Hopefully they recover ASAP.
@mudcop58
3 жыл бұрын
@@RK-kn1ud yes. The one pilot isn’t out of the woods yet.
@808melz
3 жыл бұрын
The CEO takes a bunch of financial shortcuts and sometimes doesnt pay his pilots on time, threatening to fire people who are sleep deprived because the turnover is so high and and a lot of other things . The final report will be very interesting indeed..
@Speedster___
3 жыл бұрын
There wasn’t fatalities but there were casualties
@markknister6272
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the links. Great job by the Coast Guard!! 0245 fantastic work.
@dangardave6442
3 жыл бұрын
Move over Sully! Effecting a ditching at night offshore is one hell of a difficult job. The swell was 5 feet (1.5 metres) and wind was 15 knots so a bit choppy, and in those conditions you have to get that flare just right, especially at night when your depth of perception is affected. 100 times more difficult than ditching on a calm Hudson during daytime. Sounds like the aircraft broke up, by what the Coast Guards said, but any landing you can SWIM away from is a good landing... Kudos to the crew and ATC for getting the CG alerted so quickly- that probably saved their lives. I found it interesting that one pilot was found on a floating piece of cargo, while the other was on the tail section. That indicates they got out of the cockpit separately, otherwise they would've been together. I really look forward to the pilots' debrief once they've recovered.
@flyingphobiahelp
3 жыл бұрын
Well said!!
@SteamCrane
3 жыл бұрын
At least they didn't have to fight the computer over flare for ditching.
@emergencylowmaneuvering7350
3 жыл бұрын
@@SteamCrane What do you mean by that?? The Airbus computer kept the speed by ignoring the pull all the way back almost that Sully did. He climbed from 200 to 349 feet while killing the speed. The computer lowered the nose and saved him from the stall producing pull ups. They hit the water at 127 knots.
@MrBassaman
3 жыл бұрын
WOW... been busy this weekend and saw this today. I'm happy to hear the pilots survived.
@pedjailic782
3 жыл бұрын
Knockout report Brownie, keep the blue side up.
@bullitt7544
3 жыл бұрын
It was indeed.
@JoeLinux2000
3 жыл бұрын
Keep your inflatable vest nearby.
@kamuelalee
3 жыл бұрын
The ocean?
@schmoab
3 жыл бұрын
I know this isn’t for our entertainment, but damn this is riveting audio. Great analysis as always Juan.
@markbleavins4039
3 жыл бұрын
May Day May Day, eliminating confusion. Understand checklist, BUT that low over water from memory and clean up what you can when you can. If they would of turned immediately to airport might of made it. Understand working ATC but your the pilot in command. Rules out the window,
@thetowndrunk988
3 жыл бұрын
Except it started as a single engine failure. So many people are criticizing the pilots for following the checklists, when the reality was they were following the checklist for single engine failure, which is a fairly safe event. Here’s the reality- if you turn towards the airport with one engine, get established on the glide slope and configured for landing, then suddenly lose the other engine, chances are you’re still gonna be short. Dual engine failure requires being above the glide slope, ie altitude, and a higher than normal approach speed, neither of which they would have done on approach with a single engine working.
@edstoro3883
3 жыл бұрын
Mark: How many hours you got?
@markbleavins4039
3 жыл бұрын
@@edstoro3883 just past 15000, 9000 hrs instruction given. You?
@edstoro3883
3 жыл бұрын
@@markbleavins4039 Mark...with 9000 hours in a sim you should know better. Oh, is 17K+ enough?
@thetowndrunk988
3 жыл бұрын
@@markbleavins4039 9,000 hours instructing, and you’re saying the best course of action on a single engine failure is screw the checklist, and make a bee line for the airport? I find that highly suspect. Granted, I don’t have anywhere near the hours you claim, but certainly not the way I, or any other pilot I know, was trained.
@markbleavins4039
3 жыл бұрын
Long down wind, doing checklist as company policy, but your in command do what’s needed, make atc understand nature of emergency and straight back any runway. Paperwork and defending yourself always easier if you saved the aircraft and lives. Thankfully no lives lost. Great job by coast guard
@vv-cv6ud
3 жыл бұрын
I agree they had so much time n seems like poorly communication on both ends . Just declare the pan pan call with All the necessary information.. too much long transmissions especially in emergencies
@markbleavins4039
3 жыл бұрын
Pan-Pan-Pan A Pan-Pan call should be used for urgent situations that are not immediately life threatening, but require assistance from someone on the ground. These include, but are not limited to: Becoming lost; A serious aircraft system failure, that requires an immediate route or altitude change; Other emergencies that require immediate attention and assistance from the ground. A Mayday radio call should be reserved for life threatening situations. These may include, but are not limited to: Loss, or imminent loss of aircraft control for any number of different reasons aircraft upset by turbulence; pilot incapacitation; spatial disorientation; control surface or structural failure; engine failure that will lead to a forced landing/ditching/ejection/bailout; Or, an onboard fire.
@rickdecastro4584
3 жыл бұрын
@@markbleavins4039 Technically, yeah. Me? Put the airplane on the ground, tell ATC to make a hole, and get the airplane on the ground.
@Ridejumpfly
3 жыл бұрын
@@rickdecastro4584 there are reasons for the checklists and procedures. Going off book in an abnormal situation can be more dangerous than following procedures and properly planning the single engine approach. If both had failed at once? Sure turn right to the runway if altitude permits. In this case though it was one engine failure after takeoff and should have been handled exactly as they did. ATC did a great job getting the company out of the way in order to allow the pilots to immediately return if they wanted to. Some bad luck in this situation.
@thetowndrunk988
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ridejumpfly agreed. Checklists are there for a reason. Now, it could be argued that they took longer than necessary to go through their checklists, for whatever reason we don’t know yet, but it started as a SINGLE ENGINE FAILURE, which is generally not a time to panic.
@jiveturkey9993
3 жыл бұрын
It amazes me how calm and cool these Pilots are when they're staring right into the face of death.
@hawaiiansouljah
3 жыл бұрын
Definitely a reflection of the local way of life, "no worries."
@JoeLinux2000
3 жыл бұрын
@@hawaiiansouljah Seems that one of the pilots didn't know how to swim. In Peace Corp Micronesia, we were all "drown-proofed" except for one black guy who was a "sinker."
@billythekid3234
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeLinux2000 Ever head of life jackets? DUH!
@gerrycarmichael1391
3 жыл бұрын
No sense in getting upset about it. You have other priorities.
@ChrisGugliuzza
3 жыл бұрын
When you're going through checklists and trying to fly the plane, you're not really thinking about death. he probably thought about that more when he was struggling to swim
@bcrazyyeti
3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding report Juan. Very comprehensive. Others have raised various questions & comments. Always easy to play armchair quarterback. Seems to me the pilots could have benefited in some prior practice in AQP procedures that might have improved their response actions, but they did ditch successfully and were rescued by USCG who were very efficient in their response. I think ATC did a commendable job in difficult circumstances. We'll learn more from the investigation.
@tonymckeage1028
3 жыл бұрын
Great Blancolirio Update, thanks for sharing
@cherylgarretson3441
3 жыл бұрын
Wow. Just watched the USCG report...man...the timing of the coast guard. All they saw at night was the oil slick thru the night vision goggles. Amazing rescue. Thank you for reporting on this.
@RoamingAdhocrat
3 жыл бұрын
No wonder the engines failed. The time required to taxi to 8R exceeds the time between overhaul.
@thetowndrunk988
3 жыл бұрын
LOL
@thetowndrunk988
3 жыл бұрын
Might have forgot to schedule a refueling at the other end of the taxi. LOL
@blancolirio
3 жыл бұрын
Haaa! Yeah!
@Speedster___
3 жыл бұрын
Overhaul being an engine check?
@thetowndrunk988
3 жыл бұрын
@@Speedster___ no, it’s a joke, meaning that taxiway is so long that by the time you get to the end of it, it’s time to overhaul the engine
@mog882
3 жыл бұрын
This guy Monday morning quarterbacks things, I like that. I like It a lot.
@paulcontreras3264
3 жыл бұрын
The word Hero gets thrown around to often and often it does not apply. The Coast Guard is truly a Hero.
@allangibson2408
3 жыл бұрын
Grossly underpaid guys doing a job…
@gendaminoru3195
3 жыл бұрын
They are the heros here certainly not ATC. And I do agree with you that it is overused, even in the Sully case.
@toddcorm9423
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the update! I live and fly in California and really appreciate all you do to keep us well informed with your busy schedule!! So glad the crew was rescued!! Fantastic job by everyone!! Wow!! This might not be the right time to bring this up, but as a retired ATC guy I can tell you the system is woefully understaffed!!! System wide!! Controllers that have to work multiple positions/sectors, etc. has become far too common, but please don’t ever blame the controller who is working!!! It’s not their fault they are understaffed or the equipment is inferior or the procedures are bad!!! Applaud them for showing up to work short staffed and doing their job while probably fatigued with way too few breaks!! My recommendation is after every flight, fill out an ASAP, listing the problem (e.g. frequency congestion) and ending each with “Hire more controllers please!” With ASAPs volume does matter!!! Fly safe!
@blancolirio
3 жыл бұрын
YES!!!!
@Speedster___
3 жыл бұрын
ASAP being what for non pilot non ATC
@navion1946
3 жыл бұрын
Ironically I’m on a HNL layover right now. The controllers on HCF , approach and tower here have way to much to monitor. The FAA appears to be willing to risk safety in order to hire fewer controllers. This means that when we really need them there are these massive communication and understanding gaps. The air traffic controllers do amazing work (once the tower women was aware they might not make 8R she was smart to point out JRF including pcl frequency) but they are way overloaded. Wake up FAA.
@jamescollier3
3 жыл бұрын
They were probably out with "covid." All Gov employees got 15 weeks or something
@lvgeorge
3 жыл бұрын
FAA, what's up with overworking our ATC controllers? This should be a wake-up call for the Safety of Commercial Aviation in America! Note to the FAA, We are Watching! Congrats to the Pilots, the ATC Controller and to our Coast Guard rescue Team! Thumbs Up to Juan on his 'Blanco - Lirio' channel for this Excellent Video recap and commentary of events.
@arcdestriumph586
Жыл бұрын
Accident happened at 1:30 in the morning... Perhaps multiple controllers ends at 11pm and restarts at 5am. Not a mainland airport.
@duaneoldfield
3 жыл бұрын
Glad all survived. ATC seems to have been very helpful. Hats off to the brave Coast Guard rescuers
@dhakagee5297
3 жыл бұрын
THAT CONTROLLER DID A VERY GOOD JOB! ESPECIALLY HANDLING ATC AND GROUND.
@ccpperrett7522
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Juan for this report. Praises to the ATC, pilots, and USCG! So glad they live to fly another day.
@ChristinaK1024
3 жыл бұрын
Juan, I've been watching your channel since the Oroville incident and your reporting and commentary is better than pretty much any other source I know of. You're like Wendover Productions level quality of info good, but without a production team or needing to take days and weeks to put scripts together. You're just a few staff members away from having the Blancolirio Transportation News network.
@jamescole1786
3 жыл бұрын
Juan, love yur use of ATC radio talk & use of flight path tracking. Your piloting experience helps us viewers with big picture analysis. As a former usaf radar atc (Tempelhof in 70's) I am well aware of 'midnight-6am ('mid shift') use of only 2 controllers..1 on radar scope & radio & 1 assistant on phone with tower (who also has 2 atc's) who can call emergency services. Decisions to use minimum number of atc controllers on mid shift is usually based on activity/ number of aircraft arrivals & departures during this time frame. All this is well documented in FAA paperwork. Minimum # controller's working 'mid' shift at low volume airports is not unusual. Love yur channel & yur use of other technical radio/flight path tracking sources, CID's, Approach plates, Holding plates, Obstruction notation etc is much appreciated. The public has little idea how much engineering, frequent flight checking, maintenance of radar, radios, runway lighting & surface is involved. Your channel touches on these domains as you review incidents & accidents. Big thank you sir! Carry on!👍👍👍
@KelseyDunlevy
3 жыл бұрын
I was anxiously awaiting your video and input on this, thank you, Juan! Glad those pilots made it out alive.
@joer5571
3 жыл бұрын
Nice work flying the airplane, most people have no idea just how busy things get on one engine, let alone in the dark of night and that close to the water… 18k in 737s, 6k in -200s lost several engines over the years, I can tell you that it’s busy, even though it is an easy machine to fly… Great reporting, as always, Brownie!
@jasonaviles192
3 жыл бұрын
Trans air is a contractor for fedex in the island. I delivered freight that was on that flight!
@pascalcoole2725
3 жыл бұрын
Got ya package Jason, but slightly dampt
@hxhdfjifzirstc894
3 жыл бұрын
All your efforts were wasted.
@MattyCrayon
3 жыл бұрын
So glad these guys were able to ditch safely. Thanks for the professional review of available resources 👍
@earnharvick
3 жыл бұрын
Huge Bravo Zulu to this flight crew, the Coast Guard Helicopter crew and Controller. Everything fell in place for these guys to survive the ditching, get out and be rescued!
@geofiggy
3 жыл бұрын
Glad to see your still home and not station in the Blancolirio Mobile Command Centre. Thanks for this update. Happy to hear the 2 pilots are fine. Take care and fly safe. 🤟🏽🖖🏽
@werner2503
3 жыл бұрын
Pilots are not fine, I’m afraid. Reports say one in serious another in critical condition.
@NicolaW72
3 жыл бұрын
@@werner2503 Indeed.
@richarddupp1980
3 жыл бұрын
A successful night ditching in a transport category jet with under wing mounted engines in choppy seas (with swells?) is an awesome piece of airmanship on the parts of the Captain and FO. Equally impressive are the Coast Guard pilots who rescued them.
@neuropilot7310
3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the report will determine overly complicated checklists as a factor. Capt. Sully didn't follow the checklist, as it was intended for high altitude loss of both engines, not at 2800 ft
@johnmiller8884
3 жыл бұрын
On the initial emergency call they still had one engine which would lead the the assumption that the plane will still fly. Single engine landings are complicated, and if you have one good engine and the plane is flying, it makes sense to keep it in the air until the crew is good and ready to land. This situation got so much worse when they lost the second engine. The question I will look for in the final report is whether the crew might have had warning that they were going to loose the second engine or if the assumption that it would continue to operate was a reasonable one given the information on the flight deck.
@JoeLinux2000
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnmiller8884 One problem is the plane is at the bottom of the drink, and it gets deep fast off the Hawaiian Islands. There is no Continental Shelf.
@rickdecastro4584
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnmiller8884 Two things the crew could have done better: Turn immediately to land, as soon as the first engine shut down. And FLY THE AIRPLANE. A couple thousand feet above 16000 feet of water is not the time to puzzle out the manual. Reminds me of a 737-200 that crashed into the 13th street bridge in DC, because they were worried about saving the engines instead of flying the airplane. (Icing issues).
@theflyingfool
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnmiller8884 "On the initial emergency call they still" *thought they* "had one engine". That thought evaporated very rapidly...
@littleferrhis
3 жыл бұрын
Personally one thing I noticed about how the checklists worked from doing a pseudo airline training thing at my university, was how weird the whole process was. You stop, press the button, make sure you don’t have an emergency checklist for what you’re doing, run through the appropriate checklists on the QRH as a crew, and then make a decision which will most likely involve briefing an approach, and very little focus on really aviating or navigating . It would make much more sense for one crew member to do all the QRH and emergency checklist items while the captain aviates navigates and communicates. In that situation, having the PF just fly the airplane close to the airport while being able to talk with ATC, maybe brief an approach to himself if he has time, but not bother the PM until all the checklist items are done and they have the ability to really sort through the decision together.
@johnstoddart5523
3 жыл бұрын
ATC was handling at least 5 frequencies concurrently. What you’re hearing is what comes from her recorders, not what the pilots who are on one frequency hear. She did a fantastic job, to keep it all together, clear runways and other aircraft and not introduce other problems to the situation. She had to clear aircraft from the runway, handle 810 on approach etc Juan is right. Check lists aren’t long. You’re not going through the manual. It’s more like one page, one pilot calling and the other checking. Even if they had to rerun 3 check lists, it can be done pretty quickly They didn’t declare an emergency at any point, but she treated it as one. Why the reluctance? The aircraft flies very well on one engine, so no problem with them continuing outbound until the second engine started to overheat.Then that’s an immediate Mayday and immediate return. Seems a bit of dithering there, but that’s from my armchair. As for talking over each other, that happens all the time. They’re not running a formal debating class. They listen AND talk
@howardrandall3728
3 жыл бұрын
Over water, requires 2 engines. One engine is an immediate mayday, mayday, mayday.
@dougtrader1578
3 жыл бұрын
Can't imagine why they continued flying out into the ocean when they had engine out problems, You turn and head back ASAP. From the flight path they had altitude and plenty of time to do that. They thought engine 2 would give them time, wrong choice ! Great video Juan, Love your channel...
@chrisschack9716
3 жыл бұрын
Generally that other engine DOES give you the time to run your checklists and get everything squared away ... but the instant they noticed they were having trouble with airspeed/altitude, you're right, they SHOULD have turned in.
@danburch9989
3 жыл бұрын
Emergeny: Aviate - fly the aircraft! Communicate - let air traffic control your status and hope you don't have to keep repeating yourself. Navigate - to the nearest emergeny landing site.
@erickstjames
3 жыл бұрын
I’m not a pilot but I’ve heard enough pilot conversations to know that you never give up energy in an emergencyAnd never assume that they only an engine you have left is going to get you to the crash site…
@TyphoonVstrom
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your wisdom Captains Hindsight.
@davehigginbotham5920
3 жыл бұрын
@@danburch9989 Actually, it's aviate, navigate, communicate. No one ever survived by flying the microphone.
@MrMaxeemum
3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear the crew survived. Looking forward to the report.
@andrewsnow7386
3 жыл бұрын
I watched the Coast Guard interviews. You are right, it sounds to me like if the Coast Guard was even 1 min later they would have lost one pilot.
@JoeLinux2000
3 жыл бұрын
Pilots need a life-vest or the ability to swim. The water off Hawaii is not particularly cold.
@jacob1121
3 жыл бұрын
Crazy and it was Gleb's first real mission too, how do you even top that?
@joephysics5469
3 жыл бұрын
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@reallyhappenings5597
3 жыл бұрын
I would think Type 1 PFD's would be standard equipment on marine cargo flights?
@davidbrayshaw3529
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeLinux2000 Definitely a life vest. Both pilots were seriously injured in this incident.
@bryanweber4069
3 жыл бұрын
Well done to all involved. Fantastic that there was no loss of life. On 7 Nov 2007 a fully loaded passenger version of this 1981 model 737 had the right motor separate from the aircraft due to a failed coned bolt as it rotated off the 01 runway at Cape Town International (FACT) en route to O.R. TAMBO (FJAS) with 112 crew and passengers on board. The pilots did a fantastic job of returning the aircraft to FACT and no loss of life about 35 minutes later. aircraft reg ZS-OEZ. Accident report available on line. These are tough well engineered aircraft and if memory serves me correctly the pilots were ex South African Airforce.
@hawk_7000
3 жыл бұрын
The main thing that confuses me after watching this is how it looks like they were losing altitude and speed pretty much all along, but still they continued running checklists while going out over the sea. To me this feels like something caused a critical lack of situational awareness that ended up being a bigger problem than any of the other discussion points (understaffed ATC, confusion over emergency declaration, what actually caused the engine failure).
@G-performance1967
2 жыл бұрын
totally agree ! added that the beginning of each of their communications should have been MAYDAY ! the controller didn't see that either as critical as it was
@cageordie
2 жыл бұрын
@@G-performance1967 Yeah, let's here it for correct procedure. Every time I make the case for proper procedure I get huge pushback from people who say "well it all turned out OK". NO! It bloody doesn't.
@clearsmashdrop5829
3 жыл бұрын
I wasn't able to look at any news all day today so just hearing about this. really appreciate the summary.
@chaspfrank
3 жыл бұрын
The controller steps on responses a number of time, not allowing the flight crew to complete their transmission. That being said, she appears to be the only person in the tower, possibly without supervision or help. Suddenly, a normally mundane shift becomes high anxiety with a huge workload. Overall, she appeared to handle the entire situation with a great deal of control. Good work.
@cember01
3 жыл бұрын
gotta be a bad feeling when they stop responding. You know those two guys you were talking to are now in the ocean and possibly just died.
@danilolimadossantos1
3 жыл бұрын
She actually handling more than one frequency
@westcoast1882
3 жыл бұрын
Juan is the Jack Webb of aviation incidents. Short, concise, just the facts.👍
@LouT1501
3 жыл бұрын
Great report, Juan, thank you for the links to the debrief
@travisvodden3838
3 жыл бұрын
wow I've been watching your channel to keep up to date on issues (starting with the Oroville spillway incident) back in my home town. never thought id see you reporting on issues in my adopted home (Honolulu). I'm glad you made tis video. your information can be trusted.
@travisvodden3838
3 жыл бұрын
I have been to the Transair facility many times, while remodeling the offices. everyone there from the handlers to the pilots are wonderful people, so glad everyone survived
@shenandoahhills7263
3 жыл бұрын
One of the options when loosing an engine when close in to the airport in VFR conditions is to enter a visual down wind pattern. As with Sully the flying Pilot’s focus should have been to fly the aircraft while the nfp runs the checklists. None of the emergency checklists would likely have saved the aircraft. Sounds like they got bogged down in the minutiae of the checklists rather than doing an immediate return. This likely is a training issue as there is not a lot of pressure in the sim to get it on the ground, rather there is an emphasis on jumping through all of the hoops. The ATC controller did an excellent job keeping her cool, but having only one controller with so many responsibilities and frequencies is not a good idea.
@Speedster___
3 жыл бұрын
Issue was checklsits were started with one engine gone. SEF isn’t routine but it’s well documented and checklists are from my understanding critical to maintain the aircraft and to keep it flying you wouldn’t want fuel to be in proper spots which further endanger the aircraft. Issue is it spiraled too quickly
@shenandoahhills7263
3 жыл бұрын
@@Speedster___ Max V The "Engine Failure Shut Down" check list is a short one and should take less than a minute to run. Here are the likely checklists that they would normally use. "After Take Off Checklist", "Engine Failure Shut Down Checklist". "Descent and Approach Checklist", "Landing Checklist". A properly trained crew should have been able to run all of them while staying in the pattern for a quick return. The issue. is that they asked for a delay to run checklists and flew away from a runway that was close by. They even lost track of the airport and had to ask for vectors to return. You could say that it appears their focus was on running checklists, rather than flying the aircraft to a runway that was in their immediate vicinity for a safe landing.
@cynvision
2 жыл бұрын
I'm with you. What the heck was the idea flying west so long?
@jpuriah590
3 жыл бұрын
JUAN you are the best damn aviation channel out here. Thank you for your hard work !!!! This is a go to channel for any old Air Force veterans like myself for sure.
@lex1945
3 жыл бұрын
By accident I watched this unfold at Flightradar24 today.
@janinsweden8559
3 жыл бұрын
By "accident"...?
@hxhdfjifzirstc894
3 жыл бұрын
@@janinsweden8559 He's saying that he just happened to be watching, while it occurred.
@kpbarbee
2 жыл бұрын
Glad that the pilots were rescued. Gripping re-creation. Happy Ending!
@dannyfeeney318
3 жыл бұрын
Possibly contaminated fuel however other planes taking off without problems, but I guess that depends if they got fuel from PHNL which more than likely they did being out in Hawaii. Glad the pilots were rescued so quickly.
@truckerhershey7042
3 жыл бұрын
I was think fuel also. Could be they get like only 100 per side and some bozo put in avgas. Or, engines not maintained to run at 100%, and one failed and the other didn't have the rated power to keep the plane in the air. Investigations will reveal what happened.
@jimallen3392
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent ditching, from professional commercial pilots. This is what flying is about. Knowing what to do when the chips are down.
@jamesharris9816
3 жыл бұрын
At night its all pot luck
@MyBackstagePassPodcast
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like ATC needs to increase their staff a bit. Glad the crew pulled off a successful ditching and survived.
@VagabondTexan
3 жыл бұрын
You have nailed it. HNL in the evening is an absolute mess as all the frequencies are operated by one person. It is not the only place that is like this. I understand the traffic may be slower, but it's an absolute safety hazard.
@RubenKelevra
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah might be better to have two people work as a team at night for example. One doing the calls one listening in for any irregularities. Also the system is poorly designed if you are not aware of someone else calling while you transmit on another frequency.
@Jablicek
3 жыл бұрын
What happens during break time? Are the radios left unattended when you need the loo?
@letsgobrandon7112
3 жыл бұрын
Guarantee that there is another controller there, but controllers throughout the country split the shift and go to sleep. This is common!
@RubenKelevra
3 жыл бұрын
@@letsgobrandon7112 well, you have like 90 minute work sessions basically, followed by a period of relax time. So they might work one hour on and one hour off or something like that. But that's not the point. One person shouldn't be responsible for managing a whole airfield, that's nuts IMHO.
@billcallahan9303
3 жыл бұрын
In the chaos, Cap should've turned it in - in spite of the 240 order. He didn't realize he was going to lose both though. However, when the 2nd one started going south, turn in immediately. "Trucks are rolling!" "Are they amphibious?!" Great job on a night water landing!
@arcflight
3 жыл бұрын
Love the reverse thrust buckets on the JT8D
@KirkMcBride4025
3 жыл бұрын
Just a couple of points to ponder. It is very difficult to pick out the Honolulu airport from over the water, particularly from low altitude in darkness. The water represents an area of no lights and the shoreline is a sea of lights. The airport beacon is vey difficult to see. Through experience you learn which lights aid you in finding the airport. The second point is considering the Kalaeloa airport option. This is the former Barbers Point NAS and has two long runways that begin near the shoreline. This is the airport the Coast Guard launched from and one might expect that is was lit up when they launched. It does not have ARFF. It is a relief that these two pilots survived.
@espee9980
3 жыл бұрын
FAA should look into a mandatory staffing level overnight. Thanks Juan
@john8451
3 жыл бұрын
Great interview with the two Coast Guard dudes. Very young, but extremely professional. 😁👍
@motorTranz
3 жыл бұрын
The USCG is wonderful.
@JPA66
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! USCG Veteran, 1988-92.
@ChristinaK1024
3 жыл бұрын
@@JPA66 The USCG ostensibly does the absolute most good for Americans and people in the waters off of American territory of all the branches and yet gets so little attention and glory. When your main focus isn't force projection and violence people forget about it until they've capsized a light craft 10 miles off shore and it's getting dark. Thank you for your service!
@richb313
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for an update of this without any axes to grind. A rare thing these days. I will admit when I first heard of this I did check to see if the Boeing aircraft reported was a 777.
@mbburg2149
3 жыл бұрын
Coast Guard Station right on the Coast and Kalaeloa Airporr...formally Barbers Point NAS
@Speedster___
3 жыл бұрын
Anyone who doesn’t know NAS is naval air station essentially a navy airfield
@christopherguy1217
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad the crew are okay, those planes are tough. I have fond memories of the 737-200s flying into Resolute Bay, N.W.T. and landing on a gravel runway. They were the last 737 models that could do that and I think some are still flying in Canadian Arctic but they are getting old and there is nothing to replace them.
@bradhobbs6196
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, excellent example of how things can go from sleepy and routine to five alarm sh!t show in a heartbeat. Serious task saturation for a single controller - would think that a facility at even a minimally active major facility such as HNL would be a "no lone zone" - with this being representative of why. I'd expect specific mention of it in the NTSB write up.
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