Every last thing you stated is absolutely correct. I’ve sharpened hundreds and hundreds of knives with these stones AND a 3 week job on a Damascus samurai sword. There are no others like these stones
@greenmanalishi82
3 ай бұрын
I use them as a finisher for a straight razor.They are great finisher post finishers.I’ve yet to find on edge that couldn’t be improved with a good hard ark.
@The_Kayak_Guy.
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve been sharpening knives since I was very young and I’ve never found better stones than true Arkansas stones.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
They are my favorites also
@rickwhitson2804
3 ай бұрын
I got my black arkansas today. I put a cheap cold steel mini tac on it. I started out on a soft and worked my way up to it. I'm absolutely amazed. Bubba that thing has a mirrored polish finish on it that is absolutely scary. Worth every penny
@analogoutdoors
4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful stones. I would love to have a decent Tranluscent, just because they are IMO a beautiful stone. But my Black does everything I need.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
Mike Baker a translucent leaves a completely different edge than a black. They are both great stones. Most of the time I prefer a blacks edge over a translucent anyway. But that translucent gives a really nice bite.
@oldlincolnpipewelder
3 жыл бұрын
Patience is definitely the key. I bought a translucent and a black from dans and I spent a few hours today progressing through the stones and have a damn good edge on my delica 4. ( I haven’t mastered the hair whittling edge yet. But I’ll get there) Looking at the edge on a microscope is awesome too. It truly is polished and cut at the same time. I feel like the spyderco ceramics polish more than cut, but you definitely see the difference with the trans and black.
@Street6996
Жыл бұрын
Iv'e been working On my ay my Razor two hours a day and i was told that was to much..Thanks
@larrycampbell7442
3 ай бұрын
A couple of thoughts: does anyone else find natural stones too slow on certain powder metallurgy? And, I’ll never abandon Arkansas stones, but Belgian blue stones are pretty incredible too. Enjoyed your channel!
@jabesmond8401
4 жыл бұрын
Been away from youtube for a while, just catching up on all your stuff, awesome as always. Love arkansas content, not many people talking about these treasures for whatever dumb reason Just saved up for a dans 8x3 black, pretty stoked.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
Jabes Mond awesome Man U like it?
@jabesmond8401
4 жыл бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 still trying to figure it out. It feels coarser than I expected, and surface doesnt appear quite as hard/dense as my translucents even after I lapped it to 1.5k. Also seems more prone to leave burrs than the translucents but I think I just need to get a feel for it. Still getting hht 3/4 results right off the stone though so it's definitely a great finisher, just different than what I expected. Maybe it needs a more thorough lapping to get to that level.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
Jabes Mond a black will require quite a bit of lapping. Maybe spend a bit more time per grit? You shouldn’t be getting a burr off the black
@volsmann
4 жыл бұрын
Jabes Mond if you consistently get hht 3/4 before stropping youre doing just fine💪🏼 I lap my finishing arks between 600 and 1200 grit, sometimes lower, depends on whether im using Oil or water, dawn or glycerine... What is your progression for getting hht 3/4, arks all the Way?
@inthemiddleof
2 жыл бұрын
I received dans black on aluminum blank that was cut by a 3rd party, it was finishing same as 800 grit diamond, not even mirror. I spent an hour with it flattening using silicon carbide , i went up to 2000 grit powder, then on spyderco 308 fine. It actually glazed spyderco ceramic in some spots, but 60 grit powder brought it to original state. I tested it and it gives a nice mirror finish on edge now, no idea what grit it might be but stones surface glazed like mirror even when dry. Btw because of your vide, I also have dans 8x2x1/2 black and translucent grits similar to fine and ultrafine spydercos. I really enjoy using a smaller 4x1x3/8 translucent that I take with me to my inlaws , where I casually touch up their knives with just one little stone, including 8” blades.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
2 жыл бұрын
I don't ever buy any Dan's stuff other than from Dan. Because the majority of it isn't his stuff. Why did you take a ceramic to a black??
@inthemiddleof
2 жыл бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 Dan doesn’t sell the edge pro format, i did buy the other stones from him. I took it to ceramic to make it finer, it seemed to make a step in finish from 2000 powder. I can also reverse it back but I want to see how it does .
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
2 жыл бұрын
@@inthemiddleof they will cut any size you want.
@inthemiddleof
2 жыл бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 I am sure they will but I just went for convenience of buying one already on a blank. I am certain it is a real dans stone but it just didn’t have a proper finish, but now it is finer than ones I got from Dans.
@inthemiddleof
2 жыл бұрын
I just flattened my little translucent using venevs, works great and quick, I also used venevs to flattenand refinish spyderco ceramic, easier than powder with less mess.
@greenmanalishi82
3 ай бұрын
Appreciate the video. I straight razor shave,and I always look for the hard arks from pike or Norton from the old days.I heard nothing but good things from dans. I use a translucent to finish my razors and the feel of it is buttery smooth/sharp.It’s the best razor finisher I’ve came across.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
3 ай бұрын
Yessir. Thank you. And I can agree. Have u seen the video on here where I shave my face with a battle horse commanchie?
@greenmanalishi82
3 ай бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 No. I will check it out though.I just located the channel👍
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
3 ай бұрын
@@greenmanalishi82 oh hell you got 206 videos to watch
@thewalnutwoodworker6136
2 жыл бұрын
I just picked up a vintage 2 1/2 x 2 x 8 vintage black Arkansas for $5. It was all cruddy so I lapped it on the side walk then hit it with 400 and 1000 grit Dimond plates. I don't get a good polish on the edge but it still pops off hair better then a strop.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
2 жыл бұрын
Take you some wet dry sandpaper 1200 1500 then 2k to it at your kitchen sink. I have a video on here somewhere of me doing it. That old stone is capable of alot more. Good find.
@ninjacow63
5 жыл бұрын
Good to see you back man. Great information as always. I just noticed your subscriber count, congrats man I remember joining your channel. When had around 200-300 subscribers. Good to see you channel has grown. Congrats bro.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
Hector Diaz thank you. I don’t think it’s grown nearly as much as some of these other guys.
@ninjacow63
5 жыл бұрын
Rough Rooster Knife Sharpening growth is growth man, celebrate the accomplishment. You’ll get there but in the mean time enjoy every step of the journey. Remember your showing real skills with the right equipment. The proper way always takes, more time for people to catch on too. Keep it up man, again congrats man.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
Hector Diaz thank you very much
@johnathanscott3407
Жыл бұрын
Well explained my brother
@sam4yeshua214
5 жыл бұрын
Me and my son went down to Texas to visit my dad , I gave him my translucent , and my 10x3x1 blue-black , 8x3x1 soft and a 8x3x1/2 fine India , believe it or not , he likes the translucent the best . I've been waiting for months for another 8x3x1 first grade translucent from Dans . Oh , that stone I bought my dad back in the 70s , he found it ! It is a 6x2x1/2 blue-black but it is sub translucent , more than the big one I just gave him or the 8x2x1/2 I still have . He likes that creamy white translucent because he can see the metal and loves the edge he gets . He used to be better at free hand than me but he is 84 . Still in good shape though . Next time I see him he wants to give back that small blue-black . Been looking for a good washita , watched a pink one go on eBay . Small one . They wanted too much for it . Next time I go back to Dans I'm going to take a closer look at their washita stones . I've read that the old washita stones had a range of grits . Seen one that looked like a brown marble . Been busy . Take care .
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
Sam4yeshua love hearing little stories like that. And yes washita can be many different grits.
@thewalnutwoodworker6136
2 жыл бұрын
I have tried dawn and water but I prefer oil for the fact that I don't have a sink in the workshop. I have also found my stones glazing over quick with water.
@chefboy2160
5 жыл бұрын
I picked up an old excalibur 3 Bye 8 razor shaving surgical black 20 + years ago and it is the finest black I have found! I have Dans and love them and Halls as well but currently I agree that Dans is the best way to go!
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
Douglas Cobb absolutely
@pcooke9865
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent stones and excellent comparison!
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
potatochip gaming thank you sir
@aljacobson9525
5 жыл бұрын
What is a Dunston Black Arkansas Stone? Is Dunston a name brand? Is this related to one of the “soft black” not really an Arkansas stone?
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
Al Jacobson well there is no such thing as a soft black. Dungston is a type of rock found in Arkansas that isn’t even novaculite. And some companies try to pass it off as the real thing because it looks similar.
@gerardvanengelen9001
5 ай бұрын
I was able to get translucent and black from Dan’s. Triggered by your channel years ago. Thanks.
@WhiteSandsMbuna
9 ай бұрын
I have a small black arkansas bench stone that is as black as carbon. It is a slow cutter, but i use it as a razor stone.
@marty5627
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, Great video! Been sharpening my own kitchen knives for years, now adding straight razors so needing to get to a higher level of finish. I saw another site where they were recommending Hard Black Arkansas as as follow-up to Imperial La Roccia in the progression. Any thoughts on that?
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
3 жыл бұрын
No idea what the other Stone u mentioned is. But the black Arkansas will blow it out of the water in sharpness.
@Rootori4
9 ай бұрын
I own an Arkansas Slipstone from my passed away Grandfather, it is a Slipstone and very fine and super hard, it is also a bit translucent, than a few Weeks ago, i buyed an Vintage Original Arkansas, it is so pure in Coulour and it is translucent as it can be. Both Arkansas give me really great and smooth Edges on my Straight Razor, and ia am totally new to the Arkansas. My newest Stone is an Vintage Charnley Forest, it is also great, it gives me comparable Result on my Edges than the Arkansas. Nice Stones, maybe i buy an Translucent Black.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
9 ай бұрын
Nice! It's a rabbit hole buddy!
@Rootori4
9 ай бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 that´s true :D also very nice Edges comes from the Grey Slate or Jaddisch Schiefer, an User from gutrasiert.de/forum-der-rasur german Wetshaving froum found that out, that this Slate ist a top Finisher. My Mentor in Straigt Razor also tested a Grey Slate, he means that is almost on the Niveau from old Thuringian/Escher. The Grey Slate ist very affordable for Beginner, that would not much invest in good finishing Stones.
@expletivesx999
4 жыл бұрын
Bro please post prices u paid for these stones and where you get them I have smaller versions of these but of love to find some of that size
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
David Smith well the 2 large ones are old halls the black I traded for and the translucent I got from rh preyda they bought halls old quarry and he said they found it in the back covered in dust. The dual stone is from Dans whetstones and it was like $140
@expletivesx999
4 жыл бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 would you say there worth the price
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
David Smith have you seen the results I get on edges? If u have not look at some of my older videos. That’ll answer your question
@raulbarboza9856
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, very informative. Where exactly can I purchase these type of stones? Dans? Is there a website? Thanks in advance.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
You're comment came through in youtube studio. What video? And what stones?
@raulbarboza9856
4 жыл бұрын
Translucent vs Black Arkansas
@raulbarboza9856
4 жыл бұрын
Translucent vs black Arkansas video
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
@@raulbarboza9856 that comment come through on KZitem! Odd. Yes Dan's is where i buy my stones. Good people and great customer service
@TietLung
4 жыл бұрын
Have a nice thick Norton black arkansas coming. Its supposed to be an older surgical black. Looking forward to trying it out. Got it on ebay for a pretty low price, so even if it just turns out to be average in terms of quality, it's still a good deal considering its size.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
TietLung oh? What size?
@TietLung
4 жыл бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 its 8x2x1. Id like to find a 12x3x1 if I can. But the ones ive seen are pretty costly and are only a half inch thick.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
TietLung shoot me a email. May have a deal for you. southerntrader124@gmail.com
@thewalnutwoodworker6136
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been lucky enough to win a lot of stones, containing a translucent 8x2 for $15 off fleebay. Due to the types of synthetic stones in the lot I am suspecting that it’s a pike. Should be in good company with my 6x2 jet black smiths.
@vaughnwesterby5162
4 жыл бұрын
I have a question about the company Wild Whetstones and his Ancient Ocean Jasper stones. Have you heard of him and have you ever used his stones and do you know if they are any good? He also has a Jade stone he sells as a pendant sharpening stone. From what I can tell he is out of Colorado, he started making videos I believe in 2015. Thanks, great video’s as usual.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
I don't fool with the gemmic stuff.
@artrabin
4 жыл бұрын
Dan’s Hard Arkansas Translucent vs. Dan's Hard Arkansas Black. Which one goes first? I’ve been finishing my polish on the black stone. Is that the correct order with these stones? And the stropping last?
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
The translucent is a bit coarser than the black. And if you want to strop after you can. But if you get good enough on them 2 stones you don't need to strop.
@shanedriver9094
2 жыл бұрын
Used to say water stones couldn’t be beat. The moment I grinded on the southern US gem 💎 it was ovraaaa.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
2 жыл бұрын
Yep, people want fast and now. That's why water stones are so popular.
@oldschoolprepper2273
5 жыл бұрын
I have been saving up to complete my 3 x 12 collection from dan’s just need the translucent
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
gary samples that’s a expensive one man
@oldschoolprepper2273
5 жыл бұрын
Rough Rooster Knife Sharpening Yeah I know that’s why is the last one 💰
@simonvolsmann
5 жыл бұрын
yeah i really love the 3 inch arks for knives,,, i also got 2 inch for honing Straightrazors
@augustwest3575
4 жыл бұрын
I put a light on a yardsale stone that is a smoky blueish gray with black streaks in it and it passes light. It's a Norton 11.5" replacement stone.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
Dang... No kidding? Good score
@augustwest3575
4 жыл бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 About half of the small stones I bought that came in the small two stone kits with oil are traslucent. Not just the little hard stones but some soft and Washitas that come in the kits from Halls, Buck, Smith's etc let light pass atleast half way through. I'm talking about vintage kits from ebay. I bought three kits to try different color stones of the same hardness. I'll probably sell them after I check them out and hopefully get my money back. I'm having a blast learning about this stuff. I'm looking for stuff to sharpen and finding some cool old knives I had forgotten about. All our kitchen knives are SHARP.
@inginergm
2 жыл бұрын
For a straight razor what black arkansas is better, the combined stone or just black one, and what dimension will be better for razor and for save mony (pocket)? I ask for dimensions because on the site i don't understood the unit of stone for dimensions?
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
2 жыл бұрын
Whatever is comfortable for you.
@MartinPaulsen87
2 жыл бұрын
Great information in this video. Thanks for sharing!
@tompossessed1729
Жыл бұрын
What do you mean by jet black arkansas stone because when I got mine out the box it had black greish clown/light black or ather cleaning it off with dish soap. It turn jet black ather my first use with the stone using dish soap then drying it off
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
Жыл бұрын
I mean I don't know how I can explain it anymore than I just did in that video I don't understand your question
@tompossessed1729
Жыл бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 Apologies I was sleepy when asking the question about them being jet black should have known it ment fresh out the box. On a unrelated note the arkansas black stone from Dan's can sharpen/refine s30v steel back to a hair whittling edge and this was ather my spyderco knife was used to shave wood which made the edge noticeable rougher to touch but ather 60 passes both sides it whittles hair like nothing happened It was unlapped
@redsvette
4 жыл бұрын
How do you deal with the glaze on a stone?
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
The glaze thing is a myth. All of my stones even my soft have some reflection to them.
@ghostrider-813
5 жыл бұрын
Am I missing something? Where can I get a Dan's combo soft/black 8x2x1 for s80! Dan's lists them@ $125.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
David Doerr I paid like $86 shipped. That was like 4 years ago tho
@ghostrider-813
5 жыл бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 thnx.
@TWC6724
2 жыл бұрын
I like to work with hand tools in woodworking and currently have diamond stones. Was thinking of trying a couple Arkansas stones from Dans. I usually end my sharpening process with a strop. Wonder if using a black Arkansas stone would eliminate the need for that or not?
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
2 жыл бұрын
I don't ever eliminate a possibility for sharpening. Most steels yes it would. If you are good enough with it. But going from diamond straight to a black isn't gonna go very well.
@TWC6724
2 жыл бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 When you say going from diamond stone to Arkansas won’t go well, what do you mean? It cuts slower? I was thinking of just using 2 Arkansas stones exclusively.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
2 жыл бұрын
@@TWC6724 2 completely different abrasives. You can sharpen and do touchups with Arks. But I would not recommend them for repairs. They are less abrasive and way to slow for that.
@TWC6724
2 жыл бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 Gotcha. Thanks for the info.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
2 жыл бұрын
@@TWC6724 Not a problem
@stevejohnson9275
3 жыл бұрын
Rooster Why do some people not like 1/2" stones?? Thanks
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
3 жыл бұрын
Well, for me I like the taller stones better. I use a stone holder, and it biggs me to no end when my fingers hit the table. And unless you get one in a black or translucent, they are going to wear thin pretty quick.
@Jeffrose_
Жыл бұрын
My dad has a small container of whale sperm oil and a big black stone. I don't know what the stone is but he won't give it to anybody.
@Master...deBater
5 жыл бұрын
I'm really surprised to hear you didn't like the "Natural Whetstones" black Ark! I've had one of their translucent blacks for about 3 yrs...and it is absolutely wonderful!!! The only complaint I had was that it required a good amount of lapping to get it flat. However...I just received one of their large (8x3) regular blacks...and it came nicely chamfered and dead flat. So...apparently they listened to their customers and improved their finished product. After polishing the new stone...I grabbed my old Greaves wedge that I had previously finished on an Escher...and put it to the black Ark. It went from barely passing the HHT to cutting hairs just laid across the blade!!! Perhaps you're right...and these stones actually suck. But I couldn't be more pleased...and can't imagine how their performance could possibly be surpassed!!!
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
MASTER deBATER. Don’t know. But everyone I’ve used is very low quality
@MrDravous
5 жыл бұрын
little fun fact: Japanese water stones are a metamorphic rock that's almost the same thing as the arkansas, but we found/harvested them too soon. given another 100,000 years the water stones would have become arkansas. even so, they still sharpen pretty well.
@occamssawzall3486
5 жыл бұрын
Dravous Wild Pretty much every Japanese waterstone sold today is a synthetic man made stone. The price a true natural Japanese waterstone fetches today is 2X-3X that of an Arkansas stone. And not much better if any better than an Arkansas
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
Occams Sawzall I agree, they are polluted with chalk and many other impure veins
@jgunther3398
Жыл бұрын
another fun fact, speaking of large time scales 1 billion years ago all life on earth was single cell bacteria. earth has about 1 billion years left before sun changes make it uninhabitable to life as we know it. so imagine the evolution in life on earth to come in the next 1 billion years (whatever they are if they're intelligent species i bet they have knives and sharpen them on rocks)
@RafaelHe
8 ай бұрын
Arkansas stones took over 200 million years to form, they're a form of chert. Highly doubtful Japanese stones formed in a similar way.
@TietLung
4 жыл бұрын
What about a black arkansas compared to a translucent black? How do they compare?
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
A black is much more user friendly. The trans black or blue black is the finest of all Arks. They are extremely slow cutters
@lonestardude6283
5 жыл бұрын
Man, my stone collection has grown quicker than two busy rabbits thanks to you! eBay, flea markets and Dan’s to thank as well! But you are the man that got me extremely interested in perfecting my free hand sharpening! Thank you
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
Lone Star Dude I love to hear things like this. Makes me continue to do videos. I’m glad I could help. And it’s addictive hu? Lol
@lonestardude6283
5 жыл бұрын
Not only addictive, but it’s good stress therapy! Getting a razor sharp knife is the bonus!
@redsvette
4 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Thanks!
@occamssawzall3486
5 жыл бұрын
Have you by any chance tried non-petroleum based oils at all? I’ve been using pure neetsfoot oil on my Arkansas stones lately with great success. It’s more viscous than most honing oils, but doesn’t seem to clog up the stones at all or get that strange tacky sticky feeling that petroleum oils get when they dry. Seems to wet the stones quite well too
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
Occams Sawzall I have not. I do have some lapidary oil I need to try more.
@Master...deBater
5 жыл бұрын
Do yourself a favor and try glycerin and water...it works like an oil but it is water soluble. Just run the stone under hot water when your done honing and the glycerin completely disappears.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
MASTER deBATER. My methods have been proven time and time again. No need to change them
@Master...deBater
5 жыл бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531: I'm sorry...I thought I was replying to Occams Sawzall.
@occamssawzall3486
4 жыл бұрын
MASTER deBATER. Neets foot oil is literally a metal cutting lubricant oil that’s an oleic glyceride.
@tobeforgottenisworsethande8995
Ай бұрын
Well shoot I was about to purchase some atoma diamond plates but you just sold me on buying a translucent and a black dans. I'm looking at it as more of a precious mineral than I am a tool
@piecetoyou8285
2 жыл бұрын
What makes the difference between a Arkansas surgical black from a Arkansas translucant hard black, from a Arkansas hard black ?,even though a translucent hard black will not let light through, I think it don`t And would you know why they say a Black translucent gives a better edge than a surgical black arkansas, I would of thought being called a surgical black would of made the stone being the top one, It seams so confusing, how they are named, I own a vintage surgical black I think even though it is more like a grey, and I have a Arkansas hard black, Any help and advice please would be helpfull to me over here from the uk England, Also like to add as two stones are never the same may be you can get bad and great translucent and the same vwith the hard black , this is why people have differant opinions
@RafaelHe
8 ай бұрын
I'd start by doing a bit of historical research on how these stones were marketed when they were in regular use. If you google "Arkansas geological survey 1896" or something similar you'll find an official report of the Arkansas stones industry of that period. There and in other sources you won't find references "black surgical" or "translucent". Arkansas stones were manufactured and sold as Hard or Soft. You will note, also, that when an original box is found with these stones, they're labeled "Hard Arkansas". Hard Arkansas were typically milky white and had the property of being translucent. Today they've come up with many new names, hard, true hard, surgical, translucent, etc. It can be confusing, but it's modern hype. If you can find a vintage hard Arkansas, go for it and try it, it's a better choice.
@RafaelHe
8 ай бұрын
Arkansas were graded based on their density. The higher the density, the "harder" and "finer" they are. Within the range of variability due to their natural origin, you have to rely on the manufacturer to properly select and grade them. Dan's has a good reputation, bite the bullet and try one of his stones if you want more certainty about what you'll get.
@piecetoyou8285
8 ай бұрын
@@RafaelHe Cheers for information, I have read a few articles , but like you say it can be a bit difficult without box and label on the stone to know a vintage to one making out its a vintage, Unfortunately for me to buy a Dans Arkansas stone would kill me on the cost to get over here, But I have found its takes a while to know how to use each stone to its best, We Have many other stones over here but nothing as hard and unique as the true hard Arkansas , I have a few vintage charnley forest stones one of them is nothing like the others its a great small stone that gets one of the best edges on my razor, ,better than some of my j nets, don`t know why but it does, Is there any better stone that has been proven to finish a blade better than an Arkansas,
@RafaelHe
8 ай бұрын
@@piecetoyou8285 I suppose back in those days one had to rely on the manufacturer to select stones that worked well. I've several translucents and they all work in my estimation. They are not as fine as the one Dan's black Arkansas in my collection. The deposits of Novaculite in Arkansas and surrounding states are huge, not all are suitable for sharpening stones, those were found/discovered over time. I'm not into razors, so fine stones are just a curiosity for me, most of my sharpening is done on India, crystolon, diamond and Washita stones, I'm an amateur woodworker. If anything gets me excited is a good Washita stone. There are a lot of Washitas to be found in the UK. I've one Charnley, it's very fine and don't use it very much. If you want to explore more, you could hunt for old "Turkey" stones, they were popular in Europe before the advent of Arkansas and Washitas. They're also a Novaculite, prone to fracture, at least that's what I've read. I don't have one. By the way, the survey I was talking about is here. www.google.com/books/edition/Annual_Report_of_the_Geological_Survey_o/5cG_AAAAIAAJ Not a stone, but you can buy lapidary diamond dust (very cheap) and use it on a lapped piece of iron (a special purpose plate) to achieve grit equivalents to 30000 and above. You can polish and edge to an incredible degree using that setup. Whether is better or not, depends on how you define it. A friend of mine says that a razor is maintained with linen and a strop for the most part, that it's taken to the stones a long intervals. I don't really know since I don't use them.
@steeltoez8345
5 жыл бұрын
I've never owned any water stones but my black arkansas leaves the highest polish. Maybe quality was better 9-10 years ago at best sharpening supplies maybe not. Eventually I will get a soft and a black from dans. I still use the dawn and water trick you showed whenever that was. I keep the water soap mix in a cup next to my stones and frequently dip the blade in the cup during sharpening. I do rotate my stones during sharpening to create more evenly distributed wear. I still want to get some sandpaper for each of my arks to keep them well conditioned. I'd say the translucent I bought from u is around a spyderco fine ceramic in regards to polish.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
STeeL ToeZ83 now when I lapped that stone i didn’t go but to 1k grit I believe. You can make that thing wayyyy finer than it is.
@steeltoez8345
5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking u stopped at 1200 when u lapped her. Probably go up to 2k when I get around to it. I've been reprofiling a lot of my newer knives lately and I will probably spend a Sunday lapping all of my arks. I usually don't let my stones get too glazed or too nasty bcuz I scrub em down after each session. This time I'm just letting em go til they get pretty bad. Deciding on the lap progression and the finishing sandpaper for each stone so when I go back into regular maintenance mode I can just refreshen the stone every 4th session or so. Awesome stones tho really do appreciate them.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
STeeL ToeZ83 yessir, thank you. And I still need to send a letter your way. And it may have been 1,200 can’t exactly remember.
@WhiteSandsMbuna
9 ай бұрын
I wouls highly recommend anybnew users go buy a marble tile or counter cut from habitat for humanity restore. They are 10 cents each at mine. Then get some stone lapping grit, sic, and lap your arkansas stones well. Most arkansas stones that arent from dans, are not lapped to finishing grit. Thi system is less than $20 and will lap a stone fast.
@speedwolf5212
4 жыл бұрын
Natural Whetstones has one called a “Black Translucent” stone? It looks nice. Thoughts?
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
GhostDiver I don’t mess with them
@speedwolf5212
4 жыл бұрын
Rough Rooster Knife Sharpening copy that. I’ve been watching all your videos, I’ll stick with Dan’s or vintage. I recently came across a nos Halls surgical black (that I believe was made by RH Predya?) that looks black as night. I think it’s a safer bet. Thank you so much for all of these videos you’ve made on Arkansas stones. As you’ve said, it’s becoming a lost art. It’s something I plan on spending a lot of time learning this winter.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
GhostDiver winter time is a great time for projects! No problem man. I’m glad I could help
@petercasey175
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Rough Rooster, wanted to ask ya about your Halls Black Arkansas, do you think the Halls black surgical would be noticeable finer than the Dan's black? The halls black here looks like a darker black, my Dan's looks more like the black in this video nearer to the Camera.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely not. Dan's has it by a long shot
@petercasey175
2 жыл бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 thanks a lot for the reply. I have a Black from Dans but it doesn't look as dark fry as the "surgical" Preyda ads do.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes that don't mean alot. Mine has a grey streak through it.
@kennethgibson3296
4 жыл бұрын
Well I just tell you guys you all probably can sharpen better than I ever could I haven’t had much practice I recently bought me a case xx and a soft ark and a hard black ark I didn’t do half bad I don’t guess but I just tell yea nothing I mean nothing beats a pike washita stone I remember those as a kid they would put a razor edge on a knife like nobody’s business but they are really hard to find I love to have one.. great video brother sounds like you know your stones God bless..
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
Washitas have there place. But I assure you the edges I get off my translucent and black stones, are far superior to a washitas edge. You do know washitas are Arkansas stones right?
@neilcastro836
5 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you that it cuts, it sharpens and it polishes at the same time, I have the 6 inch hard, soft and surgical black and the black really makes the knives I've sharpened, very sharp. I also agree that those stones will last for generations like you said, those stones are the hardest material on Earth.
@stoneiecloudnine
2 жыл бұрын
Incase you wanted to know. The black is carbon deposits, the old miners said they are junk because they glaze over too fast because of the carbon and are just burnishing not cutting. I personally still like my blacks from halls and my translucent black stone. I just like the white trans a little more because I do think they cut better
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
2 жыл бұрын
I have no idea where you got your information but it is completely wrong I have old Norton books way back from the 1800s that mentioned nothing about anything like that. That's purely myth
@RafaelHe
8 ай бұрын
The silica that constitutes most of these stones came from the body of microscopic organisms that deposited at the bottom of an ocean long time ago. The translucents come from very clean deposits, colored stones resulted when some other impurity deposited along with the silica, like iron oxide resulting in red. I think I read somewhere that the blacks formed in deposits where there was no oxygen. It's perplexing Dan didn't know the nature of the blackness of stone, perhaps he didn't bother to analyze them. It's not a mystery of nature, geologists are pretty good at analyzing rocks and somewhere there's a good answer. I'd take the descriptions of these stones from old literature within the context of a time where they didn't know what atoms were, the length of geologic ages, that continents moved, and didn't know the processes that created rocks.
@jcb6713
5 жыл бұрын
thanks; I need to try a 'Black' :-) ...have a good week...
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
JCB 67 you haven’t yet?
@jerseyknifeguy6382
5 жыл бұрын
Is the black a ultra fine stone?
@actanonverba1385
5 жыл бұрын
Yes
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
Classification wise yes
@jerseyknifeguy6382
5 жыл бұрын
Jeremy Sierro thank you
@johnmax4586
4 жыл бұрын
Can you use flint stone for sharping
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
Well Flint is basically silica and sometimes pure novaculite. It's worth a shot
@revolvermaster4939
4 жыл бұрын
I would think all translucents and all blacks aren’t always gona be the same. I have 2 blacks, one is like glass and the other is much more abrasive than my translucent, which is like glass as well! I can’t really tell the difference between my “slick” black and translucent.
@ColossalSwordFormAndTechnique
Жыл бұрын
Arkansas are not sharpening stones. They are edge mirror polishers 👏
@inthemiddleof
2 жыл бұрын
curious if spydercos ultra fine ceramic can deliver similar performance as these stones
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
2 жыл бұрын
No, it's a completely different edge
@inthemiddleof
2 жыл бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 interesting, makes me wanna buy a smaller size to try out . I understand that consistency varies from stone to stone, but just to get a feel of it. These are not cheap too, the 8x3 i found online priced more than Venevs lol.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
2 жыл бұрын
@@inthemiddleof I have the 8x3 they are great stones. But don't work as well as my Arks. And the other stones you mentioned are a waste of money. All market hype.
@inthemiddleof
2 жыл бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 what size are your arks? what’s the reasonable price and where to buy?
@inthemiddleof
2 жыл бұрын
I would not exactly call $150 for two sided 8x3 with 3mm 100% matrix to be a waste. The DMTs that you have owned are a lesser value imo. Not trying to argue , just stating my observation.
@fishmanfish1525
5 жыл бұрын
The do you think of RHpreyda stones? I have a set and they work very well for me.
@ryanburbridge
5 жыл бұрын
Just picked up a three stone set off Drop! Came in a nice wood box for them also. Now I’m looking into them and can’t find much info. What have you found?
@fishmanfish1525
5 жыл бұрын
@@ryanburbridge they are awesome, you have to email company with product code for the stone you want. they send back a quote.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
Not a fan of them
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
@@ryanburbridge they took over the old halls operation.
@tysonleyba430
3 жыл бұрын
you wanna let go of that halls black stone you got there?
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
3 жыл бұрын
No
@jesuspicas4973
4 жыл бұрын
Unscripted video with honest information. Thanks for keeping it real.😊
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
4 жыл бұрын
That's how all of my videos are man. I'm not the average KZitem guy. I hope to see you continue to comment and watch! Thanks for the comment!
@alec_f1
5 жыл бұрын
Dan's the man! Just got back from Hot Springs and the Caddo Mountains. Land of the big rock! The creek by our house has tons of slate, chert, and flint. All that sedimentary rock! Then, you come to the novaculite. The heart of the earth. Nothin' like it. If you ever go see Dan make sure you visit Burl's Smokehouse near Royal on 270 east of Hot Springs.
@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531
5 жыл бұрын
Alec F1 man that sounds good! I’ll do it. Wouldn’t be interested in sending some of that chert and flint my way would you?
@KC6CNN
5 жыл бұрын
Alec F1 hey could I get you or pay to get some flint sent to me. I need several pieces to put in my fire starter kits. Let me know and I will send my email address
@alec_f1
5 жыл бұрын
Man, I just went for vacation. Not there now. Be some time before I get back there.
@Dcelrod
3 жыл бұрын
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 you still needing some flint I have several large pieces that I would do some trading with you on arkansas stones for if your interested.
@Dcelrod
3 жыл бұрын
@@KC6CNN still needing some flint? I have bunches of it. From small chips and prices to large boulders of 10 to probably 20 lbs or so maybe more.
@j.mahoney1178
Жыл бұрын
Maestro Livi makes terrible razors, and his edges are dreadful.
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