But its incomplete without a list from the fourth member of the team….thats right…we need “Russell rates the investigators”!
@WinFedor
9 ай бұрын
I’d watch Eric rating the investigators while barely knowing most of them
@lnSorteDiaboli
9 ай бұрын
It says a lot(of good things) when three players who play together a lot and are looking at the card pool from similar points of view due to shared experiences still judge stuff so differently.
@PlayingBoardGames
9 ай бұрын
I think it's why Arkham is able to have such longevity with its community. The fact that so many different players can have different perspectives on things is amazing. It's why the game is so fun to discuss too.
@davidko9289
9 ай бұрын
I like how the videos get progressively shorter with one more person in each one.
@chickenbane1872
9 ай бұрын
I'm surprised that Travis says there is no reason to play Ursula Downs. Until the Seeker 5/Rogue 2 is eventually printed, she is the only Seeker 5 investigator who can run Charon's Obol. By the end of a typical campaign, that's 12 extra xp, which means an Ursula deck can have access to far more high level seeker cards than any other Seeker. On top of that, she is the only one who can use The Red Clock (2) and Eldritch Sophist as a battery for some of those high level Seeker cards. Is using Charon's Obol frowned upon? I think there are other reasons one may want to play Ursula over other individual investigators, but this is the big one for me. I am sincerely curious to hear Travis's thoughts on this.
@ten_oclock_scholar4690
9 ай бұрын
She also has great action compression. No way any Seeker is D tier, even if there are better investigators you could play.
@chickenbane1872
9 ай бұрын
@@ten_oclock_scholar4690 I agree. Travis's criteria isn't necessarily power, however, so I wanted to know if my proposal qualified as offering something no other investigator can provide according to his perspective.
@blinxy511
9 ай бұрын
Charon's Obol is certainly a powerful card, but I don't necessarily think that it offers that big of a spike to Ursula because of her card pool. Obol is great in Rogue due to the abundance of powerful high-XP cards, but a big part of seeker's strength comes from the power of the level 0 base. In addition, having multiples of your high-XP cards is less important for seekers because of how much card draw and search they have. Overall, while I do acknowledge she's unique in her ability to run Obol, and her ability isn't bad by any stretch, these don't make up for what's offered by other seeker investigators' (generally) more expansive card pools and stronger abilities. I can't speak for the general community, but the three of us generally don't play Obol because we find it results in unfun play patterns, for example, one player may feel pressured to sacrifice themselves to try to bail out the Obol player so the group doesn't lose out on their XP. Regarding Red Clock and Sophist, I'm not really inclined to give up my ally and accessory slots to generate secrets when I can just play Ariadne's Twine.
@blinxy511
9 ай бұрын
If you'd like more context as to Ursula's rating, I gave a more detailed reply to someone else's comment about it.
@chickenbane1872
9 ай бұрын
@@blinxy511 Thank your for your detailed reply! Your point that seeker card draw makes consistent access to high level cards more reliable, thus reducing the need for redundancy, is a good one. Your point about the strength of the level 0 seeker cards is also good. Then again, those arguments do make me think that I would never build Monterey Jack when I have access to Ursula and her level 0 seeker cards, as she does everything that he does, and he would end up in D tier as a result. Your mileage may vary, though. I think that the point I am making here is that, if the criteria for being put in the D tier is that any general Ursula deck concept could be built with another investigator and be better, I wouldn't agree. Leveraging seeker movement tech into clue-finding tempo, while ramping xp gain with Charon's Obol into high level Seeker cards and relics, like The Gold Pocket Watch, isn't something I think anyone does better. Whether or not that game plan is better than others would determine the letter ranking. I totally understand where you are coming from with the Obol. I hadn't really thought about it much, but everyone in my group asks for the consent of the other players before taking it, so on some level we have been acknowledging that potential to generate unfun circumstances. I think I would make the same choice as you would with Ariadne's Twine, particularly with Milan Christopher to pay for it, since both of those do their job on their own. I could see someone wanting to try to use the Sophist to keep The Red Clock on 3 to generate an extra action every turn. It's greedy, but I don't think I could tell them it was necessarily wrong. Thank you again for responding. Your reasoning is solid, even if I don't necessarily agree with all your points.
@Roffgar
9 ай бұрын
I once drew 9 peril cards in a row with Joe Diamond. That mf died hard.
@astutedunsparce4036
9 ай бұрын
Team B+
@Navarp
9 ай бұрын
Love these. Thank you for doing them.
@mrsuitcase9799
9 ай бұрын
Again, thank you for ordering by cycle. Especially now that investigator boxes are a thing, it's a good thing to flip to sections where I'm considering a purchase. Or even go to sections where I have the investigators and want to pick a few to play. (Oh hell, that's all of them, isn't it?!)
@Bsli81
9 ай бұрын
Instead of the all Lola you guys should play an all neutral. Lola, Charlie and Suzi. That would be fun!
@markilushov9065
9 ай бұрын
commenting this before watching: i am keeping an eye out for where Ursula goes
@markilushov9065
9 ай бұрын
commenting after watching: the whole "there is no reason to pick this investigator over other investigators" thing is a wierd criteria to have added on to what's supposed to be purely a "power level ranking". imagine we had an investigator who is an exact copy of Tony Morgan but with 1 less health point (hypothetical example, they wouldnt do an investigator that similar ofc) - by having the additional rule of "there is no reason to pick this investigator over other investigators" this hypothetical investigator would go to the D tier coz hes just a strictly worse Tony, but that doesnt really tell us anything about how strong he still is compared to all the other investigators and "how strong compared to other investigators" is the question we are asking with a "power level" tier list. At this point putting investigators into the D tier just because of this criteria is more like putting them into "N/A", really.
@blinxy511
9 ай бұрын
You're right that I could definitely put Ursula in the N/A tier, but I like putting her in D because it makes people salty. The real reason I put her there is because I believe that any Ursula deck that could be built could be built conceptually similar, if not identical, with another investigator and be better than it would be with Ursula. To me, there is no reason to evaluate Ursula in the context of the other investigators, the same as with Mateo and Jim, because they could not exist and it wouldn't really change the game's deckbuilding options. To use your example of 8-health Tony, it ultimately doesn't matter how good not-Tony is in relation to the other investigators because there's no reason to play him and not-Tony contributes nothing to the game's deckbuilding decisions. Of course this is extreme in comparison to Ursula, as people may have other reasons to play her: for flavour, or for a theme deck, or just because they enjoy playing her. These are all valid reasons to play Ursula, but from a power perspective I believe she contributes nothing to the game.
@tcr7
9 ай бұрын
Travis: You placed Patrice in A-/B+ tier. "Pretty gimmicky but pretty good at what she does." I've played her once. I had an incredibly fun time with her. In terms of fun she's easily top 3 for me. But ... she was horrible. I couldn't figure out what she does. What does she do?
@blinxy511
9 ай бұрын
Patrice is difficult to get a handle on because she forces you to re-evaluate what cards are worth. Something like Lucky! (0) or Ward of Protection (0), while solid cards for most investigators, are much worse in Patrice because you can't hold them for when you need them. Patrice asks you to make use out of 5 cards every turn, so less situational cards like Promise of Power, or cards that provide you with an alternative use for your cards, like Cornered, are exceptionally valuable.
@Bsli81
9 ай бұрын
She can do a lot, just play her a with a bit more assets than the usual belief. She is one of my favourite investigators, and can be a solid flex. There is an edge of the earth campaign the guys played with Justin playing my favourite Patrice deck, check that out.
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