Correction: Since the bludgeoning damage from Dao can only be applied on your turn, the Crusher Feat can only be applied on your turn. For one thing (and probably the main thing), the "Power Move" can only be applied if you do it with an attack on your turn, not on an opportunity attack.
@moto2442
3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see another collab. Where you do one for each of the subclasses and then optimise it as a party. And talk about how you can optimise a party rather than just as an individual character.
@TreantmonksTemple
3 жыл бұрын
@@moto2442 I have told him I would be up for another collab. Ball is in Colby's court.
@geniumme2502
3 жыл бұрын
@@TreantmonksTemple we will let him know we want to see this again!
@PaoloMurphy21
3 жыл бұрын
You can also apply the crusher push on you bonus action attack with the blunt end of the pole arm.
@muddlewait8844
3 жыл бұрын
@@moto2442 i would LOVE to see an optimized party!
@Hilianus
3 жыл бұрын
The absolute win for Colby is that he taught Treantmonk(!) a new trick and blew his mind with it (the distant spell use on Word of Radiance). It is good to see someone you thought already knew everything actually learning something new.
@TheLotusPanther
3 жыл бұрын
My dm gave me a magic item that improved spellcasting distance, whilst I played a cleric. So I got given the keys to this combo by accident.
@terrywright1644
3 жыл бұрын
Hey there, Colby is a great optimizer as well as Chris. Its always nice to see optimization with different lenses. Thats the fun part about D&D, there are so many different ways to have fun with the game and build your character to fit your concept.
@johnlewis1497
2 жыл бұрын
It’s a good example of what Colby brings to the table. Distant spell Word of Radiance probably isn’t the best possible thing you can do with those sorcery points on an optimized build, but it’s creative, effective, unexpected, and fun.
@matthewdebeer8453
3 жыл бұрын
I was one of the viewers who didn’t know of Colby’s channel before this collab was announced. So happy to have another content creator to follow!
@dylandugan76
3 жыл бұрын
Same!
@DnDDeepDive
3 жыл бұрын
Hurray! :)
@geniumme2502
3 жыл бұрын
you got a lot more content to watch now haha
@matthewdebeer8453
3 жыл бұрын
@@geniumme2502 Even better/worse: I’ve got to find so many more games to try out all those builds!
@geniumme2502
3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewdebeer8453 come back some day (or find me over there in the comments) and report what your favorite builds are :D
@GramGramAnimations
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve never seen treantmonk smile so much 😄😄 I love both of your content, awesome seeing this collab happen!
@Kurse_of_Kall
3 жыл бұрын
Right? He has such a lovely smile too, I never realized till this video where it comes up so often! idk, his whole face seems to smile along with his mouth :P
@chrislieu6757
3 жыл бұрын
You've never seen him play them lucky handling on twitch?
@10SentenceScience
3 жыл бұрын
When you watch, make sure to play the others channel video in the background, so they both get the views for the youtube algorithm! Love this collab.
@DnDDeepDive
3 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks! ;)
@TreantmonksTemple
3 жыл бұрын
Hero!
@sjsblacksmith1693
3 жыл бұрын
It is absolutely hilarious that they both came up with a god wizard fighter build
@xaropevic7918
2 жыл бұрын
Can you send me the link of Colby's version, please?
@Rashagar
3 жыл бұрын
16 minutes in: "This is lovely!" 21 minutes in: "Oh no!" 43 minutes: "Colby's face is killing me" By the end: "Phew, so glad that worked out"
@TheTsugnawmi2010
3 жыл бұрын
8 encounters a day with 1 short rest? Pure Sorcerers don't live long at TreantMonk's table.
@Kurse_of_Kall
3 жыл бұрын
Monks and Warlocks are sweating too... Gotta be careful!
@Razdasoldier
3 жыл бұрын
Kal all the warlocks are confused as the eldritch blast again
@JonathanMandrake
3 жыл бұрын
@@Kurse_of_Kall That's why he has so huge problems with Monk. Even with many more short rest it's bad but this way it's literally the worst
@quasarsword7479
7 ай бұрын
Remind me of the gladiator pit in Tyr dark sun
@whyamievendoingthis...
3 жыл бұрын
"You're in a party, man!" This is why I love your takes, Chris. Your optimization doesn't just look at a character in isolation, you also always keep in mind that bringing out the best from your team is crucial. Great collab, very cool discussions.
@zh90604
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for pulling this together! It was really fun to watch. I hope you guys enjoyed making it :) (P.S - please do an Order of Scribes build!)
@sjsblacksmith1693
3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree! That would be really a lot of fun Mastermind Rogue knowledge domain cleric scribes wizard...
@jasonlarsen5380
3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the Team up! Chris is on point as always moving quickly and effectively through the content balanced well with Colby’s careful and thoughtful approach to a build. The video was longer than normal but I'm glad they took the time to have some banter and share the story of how their paths crossed. I was a watcher of each content creator separately but was happy to see the calibration... It was a success. Rather than future build together (or maybe on occasion) I would love to see the two discuss newly released books/sub-class content, I think they each bring a a different perspective that plays off the other well. Also kudos to Chris for letting Colby present his take on the build first... the man knows the game so well he can always add something even of they presents the exact same build.
@thecharmer5981
3 жыл бұрын
As a ranger fan, to bad no swarm keeper. However, as someone who played a rune knight before and thinks it’s the funnest fighter subclass, this still pleases me
@iLitTheSun
3 жыл бұрын
Loved this! Chris is so thorough, props to Colby for that word of radiance surprise! You guys had good screen chemistry too.
@brian.francisco
3 жыл бұрын
The optimization community may not be large, but you've both got broad reach in that regard. I'm by no means an optimizer, I play vanilla single class characters all the time and I love both your channels!
@metumortis6323
3 жыл бұрын
This was phenomonal. Please do more of these, it looked like both of you had so much fun
@johngleeman8347
3 жыл бұрын
Yay for collabs. D&D nerdery is much better with friends.
@bcl03z
3 жыл бұрын
D&D is for everyone 😉
@tyleremery7088
3 жыл бұрын
I love Chris' little smile when Colby starts describing his build. You can just see him thinking, "Okay, I like where this is going!"
@elementzero3379
3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this collaboration. I hope the opportunity arises for the two of you to work together again.
@michaelsilbey7413
3 жыл бұрын
My two favorite youtubers together! Thank you for making this.
@commodoreblood
3 жыл бұрын
Already watched this over on the dndoptimized's channel, but am rewatching and liking it here because man, this collab rocked. I'm really looking forward to the next one.
@TreantmonksTemple
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@TheMoebeast
3 жыл бұрын
Same here!
@geniumme2502
3 жыл бұрын
We need more of this :D been viewing both of you for a long time but whenever any collab videos come up they are just amazing !
@dgmisal1979
3 жыл бұрын
Love both hosts content! Thanks for a cool treat with this collaboration.
@dylandugan76
3 жыл бұрын
To build on Colby's discussion of Word of Radiance, A) I'm not sure it's ever worthwhile to spend sorcery points on a cantrip. Just because it is a bit better than your bonus action attack in several ways, I think those limited points would generally be better spent quickening Bless or Enlarge if you need to cast them after initiative is rolled, so they aren't impeding your regular attacks. And more importantly, B) I'm reasonably sure you can't use Distant Spell on Word of Radiance after you've quickened it. Right? Can anybody remind me which metamagic option can be combined with others? I'm pretty sure there's only one of those. In any case, having a fresh discussion about interactions you've never considered before is always super cool. 10/10, would encourage more collabs in the future!
@japphan
3 жыл бұрын
This concept of videos is just great. Showing different sollutions to problems helps us understand how you think about problems, rather than just provide a sollution (which you also do, 2 sollutions in fact). I also like the dynamic between the two of you. Other ideas for 2 builds in one video would be: - 2 builds of a certain role (tank, striker (melee/range), cc, etc.) - 2 builds of a specific race, taking advantage of their bonuses. - 2 unconventional race/class combos that are still effective. --- I thought the spellcaster addition to both builds really made them shine, so my take on a build like this would be to get to lvl 5 spellcaster much sooner.
@TheLotusPanther
3 жыл бұрын
I need to start putting my builds online so I can chat with these nerds. Love them. Love these kind of conversations. I think these two really could create the ultimate character together.
@ryanrindler1715
3 жыл бұрын
I was hoping for Clockwork too! So many different ways you can take that subclass...
@jas4341
3 жыл бұрын
Glad to see collaborations between two good KZitemrs. Now I have to watch it on Colby’s channel. Best but was Chris’ face when he realised what a distant spell wowed of radiance would do.
@Duranous.
3 жыл бұрын
Well I had no idea Colby's channel existed but I have to check it out now!
@maybevoldemort8995
3 жыл бұрын
The tough thing I found about this class when I played it in UA was the action economy. There ends up being so much you want to do that you have to make sure you don’t overwrite your ability or create redundancy within your build. Like you are always going to use your reaction for the cloud rune for advantage/disadvantage- be it for rogues, saving throws etc. Makes deciding on feats etc quite difficult. That being said it was my first ever character and probably one of my favourite subclasses in the game. Fighters are my favourite class (despite everyone telling me they are trash and boring) and this just met what I want from the class so well. Giant’s Might is maybe a bit meh in terms of damage past 3, but every little helps and the runes are the thing that makes it! Edit: btw this vid was great
@loop4x454
3 жыл бұрын
Loved this video as a follower of both your channels, what a crazy build with the Dao lock it ended up being, great content as always!
@leebarnett2610
3 жыл бұрын
Great content! It is a treat to see two optimancers approach the same problem.
@robt9790
3 жыл бұрын
Love it! Was so excited for this video.
@bozieu
3 жыл бұрын
Being huge and casting a distant Word of Radiance means you'd be affecting 40 squares around you! Much better than regular cantrips :)
@shawnpeterson2523
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that build is so cool. I love the double enlarge, too!
@Razdasoldier
3 жыл бұрын
Your math is CLOSE it's that but you then go UP since a game is 3d
@bozieu
3 жыл бұрын
@@Razdasoldier That's a 5D brain you got there, I completely forgot it goes in every direction. It's even better!
@snarkback
3 жыл бұрын
Watched it on both. Commented on both. You are both amazing resources for the community and I appreciate you.
@gerni-
3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed that cooperation. Not just the build but especially the discussion around your decisions. Love to see another cooperation.
@douglascheesman
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Another collaboration would be amazing. I like seeing two different optimized takes on the same build.
@douglascheesman
3 жыл бұрын
In addition: love a long video. Not sure how it plays for your channel, but I don’t care. One or two hours. I’m in for all of it.
@MrGuyFaux
3 жыл бұрын
My two favorite optimizers in 1 video! Woot Woot! Love them both.
@markdriver7658
3 жыл бұрын
I just subscribed to treantmonk. Thanks for doing this with Colby. It was great seeing you two work together
@TreantmonksTemple
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I really enjoyed this collaboration!
@KaelinGoff
3 жыл бұрын
This is good content.
@Thomas-cc1lj
3 жыл бұрын
Currently playing a Forge Cleric 1/Rune Knight X (currently 4) goliath. Party was low on healing, so the cleric got me a free magic weapon and some mild healing for the party. First ASI was Crusher feat, which goes well with dueling fighting style with shield and a war hammer. I'm primarily a magic user normally, but I've had a lot of fun with this subclass.
@kylesommers6243
3 жыл бұрын
Great and really interesting builds. I've been theorycrafting the more martial/holier side of this build: a Paladin 10+/Hexblade 1+, Rune Knight 3+. maximizing charisma and nearly doubled effective range when enlarged for Protection and Courage aura, Interception, Aura of the Guardian, Sword Burst, Arms of Hadar. Quicker range increase than paladin 18, that's for sure. Enlarge/Reduce for a Sorcadin unfortunately takes up concentration and makes Rune Knight (for both rune passives and actives and the one time 1d6 for a class with only 2 attacks) looks so good as even only a 3 level dip. thanks for the collab you two! both channels are great.
@taejaskudva2543
3 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to leave a like and a comment for the algorithm and say great job, since I watched it over on Colby's channel (just because it came in my feed first). Same request I made to him: on the next collab (let it begin!), split it into 2 sections so you can each post a part and get credit for a full watch through! But honestly, great job to both of you, and I especially appreciated your enthusiasm. You looked honestly gleeful the entire time, positively glowing.
@JavierSanchez-mo2ef
3 жыл бұрын
Man cant wait to get out of work to finish watching this!
@memaxNOTyoumax
3 жыл бұрын
Very cool colab. Classic Colby, featuring in an hour+ video.
@DnDDeepDive
3 жыл бұрын
I'm just surprised we kept it to 90 minutes... :)
@SamFinklestein
2 жыл бұрын
Really fun seeing the two of you bouncing ideas off each other. Two things to keep in mind about Colby's build: Divine Magic does not let you pick cleric spells only on level-up. It lets you pick them *whenever you can select or replace a sorcerer spell*. So you can get Word of Radiance at level 1. Not much different in the long run. The other thing is more important: Giant's Might does not grow you "one size category." It grows you to Large, no matter your size. This means 1) small characters still become large, meaning a kobold rune knight would be *hilarious,* and 2) you have to go Giant's Might *before* casting Enlarge on yourself if you want to become Huge.
@joshuayoung7698
3 жыл бұрын
These guys are like the optimizer community’s Dungeon Dudes. This is an awesome collaboration.
@TheRealGraylocke
3 жыл бұрын
This was great video.
@shanebernier2483
3 жыл бұрын
I was initially pretty disappointed in the choice to build Rune Knights, but little did I know that it would result in two new PAM builds (something I had been looking to build anyways). Great job from both parties. I'm not normally the biggest fan of Colby's builds, but this was a nice change of pace.
@mikeclementecard
3 жыл бұрын
This was really great
@jameswise8396
3 жыл бұрын
Love both of these channels and builds.
@lukasceru6647
3 жыл бұрын
This was amazing! I love both of your channels, the work you are doing and this collaboration. It is so great to see the appreciation you give to each other and to see both of you having so much fun doing this! Please do this again, I watched it all the way to the end and I still wanted more!
@timuking5762
3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully won't be the last time we see the two of you together - this was a treat.
@johnlewis1497
2 жыл бұрын
This is a really good video. Hope you guys get together again. After a lot of time watching treantmonk, d4, pack tactics, tabletop builds, etc…. Chris is my pick for master of practical optimization, and my personal favorite channel. D4 is excellent because he has creative ideas that may not be as practical/optimal as the builds Chris presents, but show a lot of other interesting ways to play the game. Pack and tabletop are where I go when I want fodder to use for (offline) debates with my DM.
@tfilipow7
Жыл бұрын
Howdy! Its great to see some of my favorite content creators collaborating on something together! The Dungeon Dudes also do a similar build of characters.
@jimmyhill5079
3 жыл бұрын
Fun build. I've been eyeballing the Rune Knight for a bit. I wish DD:O would post his character sheets for reference.
@DarthenosC9
3 жыл бұрын
After watching this, I feel like I missed out by not clicking D&DO’s recommended videos before. It’s long, but the video is great so far, thanks for the collab!
@DnDDeepDive
3 жыл бұрын
It's never too late! ... >.>
@fortello7219
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you're going to be doing more videos in this format again but, with how much background you're each not using, you should have cut off the sides of your videos so there would be less black bars on the top and bottom.
@bell4298
2 жыл бұрын
You deserve more subscribers lad. Good job, I hope to see more Rune Knight builds.
@brianpious3242
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks to this video I have found a new channel to bing watch builds from. My hat goes off to the both of you. 🎩
@TjarkoTarnen
3 жыл бұрын
I knew of both you guys, two of the best dnd build guys out there!! This colab is awesome.
@danieljames7629
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been watching both of your videos for months now and just found this because I’m thinking of playing a rune knight, highly recommend you both do this again with another A tier subclass
@TheAdditionalPylons
3 жыл бұрын
Distant Word of Radiance on a Huge creature is a concept that definitely satisfies the rule of cool
@SamSam-ke9zy
2 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite build. The more I think about it thought the bigger of an area a character in 5e "controls" the less they control it. This is due to the ability for movement in threatened spaces. Look at the area a large creature with 10ft reach controls. Now look how much a hostile creature can move around and behind the character while still in that threatened area. Seems counter productive.
@Leighzer
Жыл бұрын
The smiles of realization that they made the same choice are so adorable.
@bullroarer-took
3 жыл бұрын
Ok I've watched everything treantmonk. Now I have another channel to watch. Fantastic
@Dave004
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Never knew Treatmonk was based in Calgary, thats awesome I used to live in Banff and Canmore for a bit. Calgary was great to visit too for shopping days. But back in Ontario now.
@davidrose7938
3 жыл бұрын
Great collaboration, would definitely be interested in more in the future. I’ve been watching you for the past year and found him a couple weeks ago. The back and forth was a lot of fun. 👍
@JanLopezPlanas
3 жыл бұрын
First of all: thaank you for this quality content! And is so wonderful you are making the optimizer community a little bit bigger with this colaborations! Now I'm following two awesome channels. I would love to see a nice optimized Clockwork Soul Sorcerer! ;)
@37thgungrunts
3 жыл бұрын
I have never been so torn on which build to try and play before
@cabie58
3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Chris & Colby!! Brings out the best in both of you 👍
@lamp1003
3 жыл бұрын
This is awesome!
@laurenzreichelt4911
3 жыл бұрын
This was absolutely great, I‘d love it if I got two opinions on all builds from now on ;D
@maxcoto9061
3 жыл бұрын
YESSS. It's here. Such a great collaboration guys, you two have awesome chemistry. Like two kids building awesome lego forts. Just such good vibes. Chris, it's time to get Bilbron into the fold. You're the ambassador for the optimizing community! You have the power.
@rileyrogers8309
3 жыл бұрын
I hadn’t heard of Colby’s channel yet, thanks for introducing him to us! I feel bad for correcting him, but a couple of things specifically were incorrect. -Giants might doesn’t make you “one size larger”, it makes you large if you’re smaller. Mostly inconsequential for this build, but an important distinction if someone is a small race. Although you wouldn’t be able to enlarge yourself on a prior turn and then giants might yourself as a BA to still have your action free. -Enlarge/Reduce also doesn’t “make you one size larger”, it doubles the size in all dimensions. So Giants Might+Enlarge doesn’t make you 3x3, it makes you 4x4, which would mean even more threatened squares. So his idea is even stronger than he thought 👌 Fantastic vid, I hope you two decide to collaborate again in the future 🙂
@Tagline4
3 жыл бұрын
Oh damn, I find a great new channel and that treantmonk lives in my city!
@alanschaub147
3 жыл бұрын
You two are both great on your own, and even more fantastic as a team! ❤️
@mattdodson1272
3 жыл бұрын
That was great! Keep it coming guys. Love the collaboration.
@shishkabobby
2 жыл бұрын
The RAW are "If you are smaller than Large, you become Large, along with anything you are wearing. If you lack the room to become Large, your size doesn't change." So a halfling Rune Knight becomes Large, not one size larger. I am imagining a halfling folk hero who is ambushed and left for dead by medium-sized, mocking opponents. He/She advances his studies to become a Rune Knight to seek revenge against those who bully small folk. Treantmonk, you can run your favorite race and be Large! A Bard/Rune Knight multiclass can get expertise in athletics (grappling), and this feels perfect for a Bard folk hero who starts off with more bravado than actual combat prowess. (I'm thinking about Jaskier in The Witcher). An Enlarge spell gets you Huge, which for a cheerful halfling makes me think of Stay Puft Marshmallow Man in Ghost Busters. Which happens to be the same size as a Treant. If you go Lotusden Halfing, you get spike growth without multiclassing.
@cesargarcia5490
3 жыл бұрын
now this is dope! as a subscriber to both, this makes me immensively happy!
@Houster1000
3 жыл бұрын
This radio-show style content with the two of you is great. I listened while at work, wonderful Also, the slashing+bludgeoning melee attacks with slasher crusher + the word of radiance when you are large/huge- Those are exactly the things I enjoy while white room theory crafting. Also you should do a gauntlet playing together like colby did! Anyway greatly enjoyed, thanks!
@SpikeRosered
3 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of the Bugbear build more but I feel like Treantmonk's would feel better to play. There's just a lots of fun control options.
@---..
2 жыл бұрын
Giant’s Might does not increase size by one (as stated in the video). Instead: "If you are smaller than Large, you become Large". This is particularly fun for small sized characters to use heavy weapons. It also means the combo with enlarge reduce has to be done in the correct order (reverse order was mentioned). Also worth noting is this can be combined amusing with polymorph or wild-shape (ex: turn into a tiny creature, then become a large version of it: mega pixie for example). Optimization wise, I don't think this adds anything comparable to the excellent builds in the video, but it adds some room for fun.
@jstogdill9195
2 жыл бұрын
Great collab, and I’m not gonna lie a bit proud you guys didn’t snatch the low hanging dpr fruit that is GWM. I thought Colby would once he took Sentinel.
@Deep_Freeze_DF
2 жыл бұрын
So stoked to learn your Canadian and in Calgary! I'm in Saskatoon, but visit Alberta and the mountains often cuz SK is so boring haha. Collabs like this are awesome and I love your vids and builds!
@TreantmonksTemple
2 жыл бұрын
My Dad is from a small town not too far from Saskatoon (Eston) and I have family from Biggar as well.
@zoddlander
Жыл бұрын
Currantly playing a Lotusden halfling Rune knight polearmmaster(quaterstaff) with 4lvls of barbarian ancestrial guardian in a homebrew campaign! having tons of fun! great vid guys!
@chopcooey
3 жыл бұрын
nice to have those 2 together. all we need now is Powergamer's Tactics Room and we have the holy trinity of dnd5e youtube optimizers
@Briandnlo4
2 жыл бұрын
I just like the way you guys play D&D.
@JoshuaKarstendick
3 жыл бұрын
This was so much fun! Thanks for doing this
@yargmouth
3 жыл бұрын
This was awesome and went over the fighter subclass I have been dying to try out! My bugbear detective just found his build thanks to Colby
@jason212o35
7 ай бұрын
"So how much reach do you have?" "Everything the light touches..."
@tpete096
3 жыл бұрын
This was an amazing video idea! Two very creative builds that are both similar and unique. You definitely have to do this more! (Also I really liked your talk about dpr and how range is not taken into account)
@olivesandtuna
3 жыл бұрын
Coming here to give you the view right after I finished watching it on D&D:O. You have gained a new subscriber, sir!
@TreantmonksTemple
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, welcome!
@QuattroOutdoors
2 жыл бұрын
Great. Y’all should do this more often.
@monohybridstudios
3 жыл бұрын
Very fun collaboration. I'd love to see more like this!
@jerommeke_T
3 жыл бұрын
The word of radiancr thing is doable in one turn. Ba giant might action enlarge than action surge word of radiance. If you have a way to get to the center of a large group of enemies you can totally drop an aoe bomb
@tempestuous6724
3 жыл бұрын
Great video Chris, very good colab, I knew in my heart you would take something to care about Wis save. I just didn't knew if you would choose resiliant or lucky. Also maybe a colab with Bilbrons & Dragons, and with Pact Tactics. Do it the fantastic 4 of Optimization.
@royjaskowski905
3 жыл бұрын
Best fighter control feat is still UA, Tunnel Fighter. (Reaction free opportunity attack). For grappler take Loxodon or Simic Hybrid for 1 or 2 grapple limbs while keeping 2 hands free for standard fighting gear. For extra size ignore spell and use potion of growth. Costs more but lasts longer and it’s concentration free. Down the road (or perhaps home brew allowed) a further size bump could be gained if Duergar becomes a playable race.
@JohnTCampbell1986
3 жыл бұрын
Talking of not reading UA so you're not disappointed when it's nerfed, I'm still mourning the loss of Fireball from Circle of the Wildfire druid.
@muskrat7444
3 жыл бұрын
Great to see you two working together on this!!!!!. The intro is on Fire 💥💥💥💥💥. Meet cutes, Canadiana, and dnd. It doesn't get much better than that!
@toddcoleman3726
3 жыл бұрын
Great collaboration video from two excellent theory crafters
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