I always assumed that the Defiant class was built to be small partly so they could build hundreds of them to swarm Borg cubes.
@HarperStl
3 жыл бұрын
I look at them like pack hunters, torpedo boats from the first and second world wars. A wing of two or three Defiants could inflict a lot of damage while dividing enemy attention
@Xondar11223344
3 жыл бұрын
@@HarperStl Yeah, exactly.
@Skulb1984
8 жыл бұрын
Starfleet's original intention was to build a lot of Defiants and swarm the Borg. The Borg cut through big bloated Starfleet cruisers like they're made of paper, it makes sense to build tougher, harder to hit warships with small crews so they wouldn't lose as many lives as the Borg would probably still swat dozens down like insects. I think if they had followed through with a big order of Defiants the Borg would have been toast before the Enterprise arrived. And I think the design flaws were just an excuse to cancel the Defiant class which was probably cancelled for political reasons. After all, if Sisko and O'Brien can fix it, I'm sure the designers and engineers at Utopia Planetia wouldn't have had much trouble.
@terryforsdyke306
7 жыл бұрын
I seem to recall mention of the borg threat becoming less urgent, as well as problems found in the shakedown cruse bing the reason, so I completely agree, political reasons (Starfleet being reluctant to build a battleship if it did not have to) In several episodes of Voyager + the closing days of DS9 you do see Defiant class starships other than the origional, I think the Defiant class entered mass production (as in dozens if not hundreds of ships per year) before DS9 was retaken. With I am assuming a very fast turn arround StarFleet can then just mothball the Defiants until the next conflict. the Defiant's major weekness are its cramped crewspace, and limited space for provisions if I was in charge of the Defiant project I would have also speced a new "carrier" saucer for the Galaxy class, where you could dock (depending on the defiant size) 4-12 Defiant class starships and keep stores to keep them fighting for a long time as well as less cramped crew quaters for their crews The Galaxy warps to a safe location close to the target, the Defiant swarm launches with a well rested crew, and warps to the engaguement zone after completing the mission the Defiants return to the Galaxy which can then repair and restock them, and the crew gets to recover in luxary on the Galaxy, and if any of the Defiants suffer serious damage but not outright destruction the Galaxy can come to pick them up
@0omegaxprime1
6 жыл бұрын
Skulb1984 thank you because these guys missed a lot of important information
@larqven0192
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, I suspect that political reasons were just as important as technical issues in shelving the program for a time.
@pr1983
8 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your videos, great stuff. My only comment is that for the longest time, I thought that the pulse phasers only made sense (in-universe) if they were designed with being able to modulate the pulses at different frequencies. Also, in FC, before Picard uses the sweet spot target, the Defiant is the only ship whose phasers actually hurt the cube that we see on-screen. The Akira, for example, fires a phaser beam that you can see just splashes against the borg hull without causing any damage.
@SpectorOfDoomYT
7 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, I read a book on federation starships years ago that answered the question of the "strange nose" on the Defiant class. The reason that the forward section has a "warhead control officer" station and separate engines, is as a last ditch attack if the rest of the ship is destroyed. The front section could house several of the remaining torpedo warheads, and be used as a "guided" missile to attack a single target (like a borg tactical cube). As far as the problem of removing the deflector and ability to dock with another ship, if the crew had to resort to using the warhead, she was never coming home.
@devonjamesj
8 жыл бұрын
And as for skeleton crews of 4 or 5 people, of course a ship can be operated with that few. But it can't be maintained. If a coil is out of alignment, the transporter is having power surges, pulse canons aren't transferring power properly and you only have 4 people on board and you need at least two on the bridge you're s.o.l. Can you tell I have a love affair with the defiant, delta flyer and voyager? Small but effective FTW!
@SpiritOfBagheera
8 жыл бұрын
Stuart, the Defiant is powerful as all hell in the PS2 game "Star Trek Encounters." Just fyi. In fact, "Encounters" is one of the only games that really captures what I believe Ira Steven Behr and Ron Moore were going for with their "little escort ship"...
@toddsmitts
8 жыл бұрын
Again, I don't think you're giving the Defiant enough credit against the Borg. The fact that they're still fighting and have supposedly inflicted some serious damaged to the cube when the Enterprise arrives (as opposed to Wolf 359) suggests the Defiant may have indeed been effective.
@louisthompson4712
7 жыл бұрын
Also they are pulsed disrupters not phasers
@vallettapetracyneran8587
7 жыл бұрын
the battle of 001 lasted for 3 hours and the Defiant lasted. I say that Commander Worf and the Defiant need a lot more credit.
@supercrew63
7 жыл бұрын
Louis Thompson see my post
@louisthompson4712
7 жыл бұрын
Please link it for me
@JohnnyZenith
7 жыл бұрын
toddsmitts Exactly, then include in many defiants like there should have been.
@tsambkos
8 жыл бұрын
The Defiant has always been favourite ship in star trek and when I saw this I was so pleased!
@cxdaemongaming1772
7 жыл бұрын
The Defiant is my favorite ship in Star Trek. It took awhile for it to grow on me but she seems to be the best design with a good character.
@olympicnut
8 жыл бұрын
Your are selling the Defiant short in FC. You can see her pulse phasers were damaging the Borg cube. No explanation was given as to what changes were made to the other Starfleet ships that enabled them to also damage the Borg ship. Data mentions there was extensive damage to the hull. In BOBW, they couldn't even do that. This was not in this video, but we have seen ships fire phasers at warp many times. They must have learned to extend the warp field around it.
@Lokiawa
8 жыл бұрын
For the explanation or close to one is that Starfleet/Federation made and installed Isolinear chips on their new ships that would automatically randomize/remodulate the weapon frequencies, something like that was talked about being an experimental/theorized tech in Best of Both Worlds. That could have been the edge that the Federation have versus what they had at Wolf 359 in the mid-late 2370's.
@chriswalton7015
8 жыл бұрын
+olympicnut Yup, plus she had been a participant of the battle since the start which is a massive reason why we see her in such a sorry state with holes in the hull, the bridge is a mess and who knows how many of her crew killed. At the same time though she was fighting until the very second Worf was told the weapons and shields were gone.
@raxsavvage
7 жыл бұрын
not to mention that by the time enterprise shows up its hours after the battle started based on just how long it takes to get across from romulan? neutral zone
@paulwalsh2344
6 жыл бұрын
Have we really seen ships at warp firing phasers ? I thought that it was implied in all series that phasers would be impossible at warp. But upon further thought phasers aren't really totally light based, but firing phasers should be relative to the space only within the warp bubble. And the Star Trek technical Manual indicates that photons contain a small warp sustainer engine. But then how would the navigational deflector work ? Maybe somebody can suggest this to Kyle Hill or someone can find their copy of Lawrence Krauss' Physics of Star Trek ?
@alexmg1713
7 жыл бұрын
The Defiant has in canon even with his small size the Firepower of a Galaxy maybe even more, and even though its survivability is less, it's fast and hard to hit. Also the Report Riker told Picard said the Cube received heavy hull damage from the fleet already.
@patrickwise8804
6 жыл бұрын
I often wondered if the Defiant class was a concept craft more than anything. Starfleet engineers were wondering, "If we built a warship, what would we do." So they did and they got the Defiant and their next steps were the Sovereign class and Prometheus class ships. Also, the Defiant is so small and the Enterprise-J/K so big, instead of deploying fighter craft it could deploy Defiant craft!
@chrisgwilliam9893
4 жыл бұрын
It’s the Captains chair! Makes you feel in control!! With the console panels either side of chair 💥👌🏻
@bwills7293
8 жыл бұрын
I am totally geeking out at your discussion of USS Defiant. I am a long time Star Trek fan that has seen all episodes of all series. Thanks for this. I am not such a super fan that I remember all details and worry about the obviously apparent inconsistencies. Tonight I have been (as I have a rare night to myself) searching fan based youtube videos. After watching a few, I was reminded of the USS Defiant. It jolted me back to the last few seasons of DS9 and how excited I was to see such a kick ass Starfleet starship. I searched USS Defiant and came across your channel "Trekyards". I have now found a new place of interest for me to land on when I eventually get bored of surfing the usual crap that is out there. Thank you.
@youtubevoice1050
8 жыл бұрын
I could see the pivoting "nose" making sense when landing the ship. Lowering it to the ground would allow for easy access through the airlock in the front.
@terryforsdyke306
8 жыл бұрын
DS9 was supposed to be less than a mile in diameter, that the 642m Galaxy Class can dock at those upper pylons with plenty of space to allow other ships to dock means there is probably a close to 1 mile diameter area for ships to dock inside the upper pylons is a major scaling issue, making DS9s diameter more like 5 miles than 1. there is an episode where you see a hatch open on the bottom of the Defiant to launch a shuttle, and the writers did not know it could land, hence it never did so. there were onscreen references to deck 5 , unfortunately the placement of the windows are that there were 2 decks between the underside of the main hull with quite a bit of space left below for the nacelles, suggesting there should be 10 decks. Quantum Torpedoes are tiny, Photons are large enough to act as coffins while Quantum torpedoes are only something like 15-20 cm diameter, there was a scene where Mirror universe Julian was carrying a number of them at once, so even a ship the size of the Defiant could carry thousands without space issues.
@watcherzero5256
7 жыл бұрын
Defiant class did land in one episode, it was sitting in a starbase hanger bay alongside another small ship.
@terryforsdyke306
7 жыл бұрын
assuming you mean the episode where they are reassigned from Defiant to the Jem'Hadar ship (I think "a time to stand") the Jem'hadar ship was inside the starbase docking bay but not landed and Defiant was parked outside, I do not recall Defiant ever landing, and the first 6 episodes of season 6 were the only episodes where I remember the Defiant being in proximity to a starbase other than DS9
@watcherzero5256
7 жыл бұрын
Terry Forsdyke Same design of space station except that one with the Jem Hadar ship was full of equipment whereas the one where it was landed it was all smooth like a shuttle bay.
@saijex
8 жыл бұрын
The deflector has 6 some warheads in it and could detach as a large projectile weapon. it was originally going to have 6 decks; if you see the turbolift panel, there are 6 decks, then later it was decided to have 4.
@ShadowHammer1
8 жыл бұрын
If you think the Defiant is under gunned in games, try it in Star Trek Online. It's a very potent ship in-game.
@moejaime2654
8 жыл бұрын
You trek snobs !! its a TOUGH little ship PERIOD !!!
@xanderguldie
8 жыл бұрын
I think your size reasoning is flawed. Just because it is smaller doesn't necessarily mean it is weaker. Most starships are build to accommodate a bigger crew and even families. The defiant is only build for short missions and battle, therefore it is a small powerhouse witch i believe can outmatch any starfleet vessel doe to it's advanced weapons and maneuverability.
@hmrhuang
8 жыл бұрын
+Xander Guldie Agreed. A smaller size facilitated greater maneuverability and reduced target aspect/profile to enemy sensors. And you see those characteristics (along with its massive firepower) being effective in action against the Borg in the Battle of Sector 001 (Star Trek First Contact).
@keeelane
8 жыл бұрын
it's an interesting design cuz it's actually just a stretched out saucer section with a flattened deflector shield/secondary hull as the tip
@rarevhsuploads4995
8 жыл бұрын
Lots of insight into technical specs which I enjoyed. More exploration of the Valiant & I.S.S. Defiant from the mirror universe plus a mention of the USS Sao Paulo would of given a wider picture of the class. You seem to be under the impression that the class is vulnerable due to size which is at odds with its oft on screen stated role as a combat vessel. It's a totally logical warship, requiring small crews and materials yet packing a big punch against much larger ships I'm glad it went into production for the Dominion War. As for Star Trek canonicity we all know that leaves a lot to be desired.
@ethanforster
8 жыл бұрын
The Defiant was fairly strong for its class in Armada 3 mod, which I thought was a good improvement over Armada 2, and they can also lay mines and work well in small groups as a quick response force
@JimbobHarrigan1984
8 жыл бұрын
+Skyla Jade Forster (Sky) I fly a Defiant on Star Trek Online :)
@Th0ughtf0rce
8 жыл бұрын
+Skyla Jade Forster (Sky) And it's a battleship in the Fleet Operations mod of Armada 2.
@scottrabie
8 жыл бұрын
So typically classic phasers drained a shield matrix. A continued fire from phasers overloaded an individual shield generator and there would be a weakening in the matrix on a spot of the ships. Then a follow up with a torpedo would overload it and/or do damage directly to the hull. The pulse phasers can deliver more energy. Only if there is a follow up with torpedoes or more sustained fire can damage to an individual shield generator be taken advantage of. Which is why in later TNG and in DS9 you see torpedo spreads, not a single one being fired. But if in a pulse phaser you can overload a generator on the first or second pulse, the third is doing direct damage immediately. It makes it more efficient. The idea that the nacelles are so close makes sense in the Star Trek universe though. There are a couple of reasons that the nacelles are usually far apart and away from the primary hull. One it makes a more stable warp field to move such a massive amount of raw tonnage through space. The other is that the plasma gets extremely hot, hundreds of degrees. In cramped quarters this can make for some very uncomfortable situations (see Enterprise: The Catwalk). But when you are moving a smaller ship and can vent that energy directly into the weapons systems, you can have the nacelles be much closer to the ship. Think about Romulan and Klingon designs. They were designed to go fast and generate a LOT of power. So nacelles had to be outside the normal hull, away from where people worked and lived. Cardassian ships generated less power (it was shown they didn't quite go as fast as the top Federation or Klingon ships), but their weapons were tied into their engines. (There's no other way a Hutet or Galor could have such a massive forward phaser array). The other advantage to the engines being more internalized was that they were better shielded/armored. It was harder to stop them.
@fhsreelfilms
Жыл бұрын
I always imagined that this is like torpedo speedboats used to be in the Navy. Their strength lies in their speed and maneuverability. They last in a fight by virtue of being hard to hit, but they bring heavy enough firepower to bloody the enemy’s nose as they dodge in and out of the enemy’s fire.
@epickithri
8 жыл бұрын
i liked the defiant best of all the major starfleet vessels cause it was truely designed with their situation in mind a small warship with a powerful punch is exactly what they needed and if it not been for the breen i think the defiant (1) would have made it all the way to the end of the war and they wouldnt have needed the sao paulo which by special order was renamed u.s.s defiant so and for one class of ship to be that effective design aspects had to be right. It showed how big doesnt always mean better in its fight vs the Lakota even with the upgrades that excelsor class got in that time the defiant's mobility was a huge factor in why she was able to disable the Lakota with minimal casulties.
@CrazySpence
6 жыл бұрын
See I always thought the Defiant was kicking ass in FC. It was #1 still alive and #2 even after at least 3 direct hits (one before we see it in the movie at least) it was still somewhat functional and could "ram" the cube as Worf intended. Whereas we see other Starfleet ships getting ripped to shreds. Had Starfleet committed and built a fleet of Defiants I bet they could tear a cube to bits. I still laugh at the one shot where you see a Miranda wildly sliding into the shot then taking off in a hurry...poor captain I'm sure as soon as the orders came in he just sent his "final message" to all his family before even setting course for the fleet. Maybe the cube was saving the Mirandas for the end. lol
@berthulf
8 жыл бұрын
Defiant is a glass cannon in most games. She's not too bad in STO but is still very fragile! 4:23 "It seems to have another shuttlebay here..." Well, that 'runabout' is definitely NOT to scale with anything else in this drawing, so God only knows what it really is!
@phoenixheart79
7 жыл бұрын
The Defiant is one of my favourite ship's, but she's also the ultimate victim of SFX Rule of Cool, with her size constantly altered for whatever looked best in a given scene. It's the one part I really hate, the utter inconsistency. She averages out to about 150 metres long though, which is probably the best we'll get.
@tammastrongbear
8 жыл бұрын
I love this ship. this is one of my favorite ships in all of starfleet. I would love to captain this ship.
@tiggerthemighty8279
8 жыл бұрын
I always thought that the Defiant was, in universe, designed for a swarm mentality. They would have been cheap to build and crew compared to larger ships. A ship less than a quarter the size of a Galaxy class that can be run with a max crew of 50 compared to 1,000. You could crew and send out 20 of them for the crew cost of one Enterprise-D. So in a battle with the Borg you could lose 19 of them and still come out ahead opposed to a total loss of the Enterprise.
@mulitball
8 жыл бұрын
I disagree it was ineffective against the Borg cube in FC. In the opening battle scene, you see just a few pulse phasor bursts leave several impressive holes in the Cube's hull, rivaling if not more damaging than the torpedo hits we see in the very few seconds. Data also mentions the Cube has severe outer hull damage. And one must assume, as you mentioned, that the Defiant's phasors were likely operating at reduced power due to its own battle damage. We also saw the Defiant take a direct tractor/cutting beam hit after its strafing run. In subsequent battle scenes, we saw similar shots from the Cube rip all the way through an entire secondary hull of an Akira class which probably blew their warp cores seconds later, or at least disabled them. Lastly as others mention, smaller is not necessarily a bad thing defensively. It's well established Trek cannon that the larger the diameter of your shield perimeter, it rapidly becomes weaker. Most likely exponentially weaker if you apply basic physics to shields being proportional to R^2 So a tiny frame means a any equally tiny shield radius, implying it could regenerate much more quickly. Factor in its agility, and you'd have a tough time hitting it let alone getting past its shields.
@SumDumGy
7 жыл бұрын
For the last several years, after salvaging the saucer of the Enterprise-D from the surface of Veridian III, I have been refitting it with a forward deflector and side nacelles I. The hope of constructing the Super Defiant Class.
@devonjamesj
8 жыл бұрын
A few comments on the Defiant. The size of the defiant is perfect for its use. At the time of laying down the designs for the defiant class the tactical data on the Borg was very limited. The Borg is always assimilating, learning, growing, adapting. Their rate of advancement far outstripped any other known race. The defiant most likely was powerful enough to go toe to toe at design. But Borg don't need to do refits in the same way so a turn around change of an upgrade is minimal. Imagine being at a shooting range trying to hit a bullseye target from 100 feet away. Now you can only hit the first ring to be effective. And now the target is moving in random patterns at varying speed. Now try to hit it. The defiant isn't powerful for its brute force but it's ability to continually hit large ships while minimizing it's chance of getting hit. Defiant has the ability to play the long game and the short.
@devonjamesj
8 жыл бұрын
As for the pulse phasers they're a fixed object. One direction shot. They can't be rotated, the ship has to be which lends into the design of a small, highly maneuverable tactical warship. Taking excess power from the warp nacels to help the defiant punch above its size adding to the tactical advantage. A galaxy class and a defiant class are the difference between carpet bombing and a laser guided missile strike. Both effective for different reasons. Crew compliment of 50 is perfect for standard mission work. 7 bridge staff, 7 engineering and one medical person(1 Doctor, 2 nurses) for each of the 3 standards shifts which makes 35. 10 security officers on shifts in case of being boarded. And 5 staff for repairs and work outside of engineering and other odd jobs. Who cleans a starship?
@bunit1701
8 жыл бұрын
I seem to recall reading somewhere that pulse phasers came about due to a study which showed that traditional beam phasers delivered something on the order of 70-90% of their damage in the first second or so. Further research determined that pulsing the phaser beam resulted in a much more efficient and effective weapon.
@watcherzero5256
7 жыл бұрын
It was supposed to come out of a joint research project with the Klingons to adapt pulse disruptors functionality to feddie phaser technology.
@Marinealver
8 жыл бұрын
There was a Mod in Armada which had the cloaked defiant that fired torpedoes. As for shields at first the Dominion poloron beams went through shields which is why the USS Odyssey got destroyed because they diverted all power from useless shields.
@ianreubenschofield4691
8 жыл бұрын
It docks with deflector raised then the deflector lowers in flight
@shinjofox
8 жыл бұрын
In regard to the shuttles. Defiant is supposed to have one warp shuttle pod and four non-warp shuttle pods that use different sets of doors farther back on the outside edges. We did see them used when there was a planetary search going on and the main sensors couldn't penetrate the planets atmosphere do to interference being to great.
@Blackrook32
7 жыл бұрын
IMO, the Defiant class is a tough little ship. As for the Defiant Class in modded games, I co-created a Defiant class ship pack for Bridge Commander; that had different weapons on a base theme. The trick, learning how to balance the in-game play, keeping the basic ship within canon limits. My favorite experimental variants, modding/installing Angosian pulse and linear phasers, with a seismic torpedo.
@thepoetoffall7820
7 жыл бұрын
The defiant is closer to the camera in the first image, naturally it will look bigger than the ship in the background.
@paulwalsh2344
6 жыл бұрын
Yup, the DS9 visual effects staffs/model dept f'd up royally on the on screen scaling of the poor Defiant. As the "hero ship" as you call it, it deserved way better. Also there does seem to be incongruity with the number of shuttles and the number of decks. Of all the cannon vessels in Starfleet, the poor Defiant is more physically variable like the TARDIS or the Simpson's house. lol
@paulwalsh2344
6 жыл бұрын
Also, in regards to the pulse phaser system, the phaser emitters were located directly adjacent the warp engines and according to my unidentified source, bled plasma directly from the warp reactor, due to proximity, had little latency and automatically rotated frequency between bursts until the firing computers locked on the threat vessel's shield frequency. Agree with the Captain's recollection of firing phasers first. And I take back my criticism in part 1 about you guys glossing over the photon launchers. Also, I noted that later in the DS9 Technical Manual that there is a magazine of photon torpedos in that forward detachable pod for extra powerful UMPHH ! in that last resort anti-mater warhead. Lastly, fascinating conjecture Captain, that the shape of the Federation's first Romulan cloaking device equipped ship resembles the shape of the old Romulan Bird of Prey, not only in physical shape, but in the arrangement of warp engines, bridge, etc.
@Taorakis
8 жыл бұрын
I remember Sisko saying something about Deck 5 while being on the Defiant, that alwas confused me considering there are only 4.
@mbmajor01
8 жыл бұрын
The phaser cannons are tied right into the engines or something like that so when the engines are full power the cannons drop on power
@NosserJJN2
6 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a re-model of the Defiant Class where its nose is more integrated into the ship with smooth flowing lines like was done with the warp engines and the impulse engines. With the following approximate increase in dimensions: height = 40 meters, width = 125 meters, and length = 190 meters. Also with a much larger engine running nearly the length of the ship, 6 decks, with about 8 times the power of the old model that can also go at least warp 9.9 and much more heavily armored. Finally, two Delta Flyer type shuttles in just one larger shuttle bay, vertical bay doors, and a crew of at least 65. I believe it would be a much cooler ship. Just my thoughts.
@corygary3225
8 жыл бұрын
Based on the 1997 playmates to the point of the pivoting nose was to show a cruise and combat configuration. I can't recall if DS9 ever showed that. It's along the same concept of the wings of the Klingon bird of prey.
@shinjofox
8 жыл бұрын
The pulse phasers are supposed to be like an onion where it is energy wrapped in energy that penetrates shields better than normal phasers. In First Contact the Defiant had been in combat for a considerable period of time before the Enterprise arrives and presumably taking a beating from the Borg. We have seen in previous battles with the Borg it is where you hit them more than how hard you hit them.
@chriswalton7015
8 жыл бұрын
+shinjofox Agreed, plus we saw other ships obliterated in seconds during the BoBW scenes of the DS9 pilot. Always imagined these ships would have worked best in groups swarming a cube with those pulse phasers (kinda similar to how the White Stars in B5)
@shinjofox
8 жыл бұрын
+Chris Walton Yup. I would have loved to see a swarm/squardron of Defiant class ships.
@Wimpoman
8 жыл бұрын
+shinjofox To be fair though, it's pretty safe to assume that the other ships also still fighting when the Enterprise arrives have been fighting for the same length of time as the Defiant. Which would either mean that the Defiant took more damage from the hits it took than other ships (doubtful, knowing from other episodes and such just how strong it's armour is) or that it's simply been hit more than other ships (probably because the Borg recognise it as a higher threat considering the damage it's dealt out) and it has not only still survived but is still fighting... barely.
@paulwalsh2344
6 жыл бұрын
@ shinjofox "The pulse phasers are supposed to be like an onion where it is energy wrapped in energy that penetrates shields better than normal phasers." ... hey that's mentioned in the material from online that I mentioned in previous posts. Do you know the source ? It'd probably be helpful to the guys if you could identify the reference.
@markplott4820
8 жыл бұрын
Personally I prefer the Pennitration Class starships, that utilize the Ent A enginering hull, mount a bridge modjule to it and reconfigure the warp nacelles to be flat along side the hull with only a minimal struts connecting them. 1) easy to find at shipyards, 2) lots to choose from , 3) very low cost to obtain. I have used these types of ships as infiltrators or gunboats in PEN & Paper games in the past.
@youtubevoice1050
8 жыл бұрын
Pulse phasers probably also have the advantage of allowing better heat management (less overheating in longer battles).
@enterprise-h312
8 жыл бұрын
Pulse phasers are only useful in close combat and with the range of a photon torpedo being ~300000 kilometers (TNG: The Wounded) I think that the bigger ships shoot at each other from a distance and maybe in the case of Starfleet they send in a few Defiants to soften the shields and then the bigger ships finish them off with a volley of torpedoes.
@hmrhuang
8 жыл бұрын
The plasma conduits were run through the primary phaser power couplings weren't they? Resulted in almost doubling the Defiant's phaser power --> BIG punch for a small ship!
@Lokiawa
8 жыл бұрын
The Defiant in ST: Legacy holds up if you're good at hit and run tactics but against the Borg...no it doesn't do so well by itself. I'm sad now that the Defiant briefing is over... At least I can take what I learned from the Defiant and add it my own (Collective joke haha)
@DefilerhXc
7 жыл бұрын
having smaller ships that use direct fire weapons and manouvering to fight against enemy ships adds a tactical option that larger warships cannot fulfill. its isnt meant to stand head to head in a phaser torpedo battle against other ships its meant to dodge in and out of fire arcs and line, flanking always presenting a moving target and giving a more aggresive enemy to focus on. you dont expect it when coming up against federation warships normally.
@supercrew63
7 жыл бұрын
how they work is, they would compress a say a 5 second phaser burst into a single pulse, hence being hit by a 4 shot x 4 cannons would equal to a 80 second phaser shot,that's why it blasts right though shields
@foxpianocovers
8 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered if those two exposed squares of circuitry ahead of the bridge was the same bioneural tech that Voyager also had on the forward section of its hull...
@vashstpd
8 жыл бұрын
You need to try it in Armada 3. Its freakin cool!
@nightrunnerxm393
6 жыл бұрын
"Under powered in games." Depends on the game. In Birth of the Federation for PC, it's a little hard to get at, but it lives up to it's hype there. They certainly make for nasty border patrols and raiders, and are capable of hammering enemy fleets into so much scrap, even when outnumbered 4-1. There was also, I think, Star Trek Encounters for the PS2, where the Defiant ends up being a pretty nasty little ship.
@haroonsadiq4319
6 жыл бұрын
Other ships were getting one shot by that Borg tractor beam. The Defiant was not, even with its shields gone.
@kb9oak749
7 жыл бұрын
While big is cool. In the trekverse, much space is wasted on stuff like holodecks, large crew quarters, and medical bays. Thus we end up with endless dumbass episodes focused on anything but fighting. A small, efficient ship, packed with weapons and robust shields with no wasted space on non essentials, can be an asset.
@dontask6909
8 жыл бұрын
It is my understanding that the pulse phaser did not have a set frequency like distrupors due to the rapid firing cycle...... just a thought
@tscream80
8 жыл бұрын
I always thought the DEFIANT took some design cues from Transformer's ARK (especially the front).
@donaldhill3823
6 жыл бұрын
As far as battles are concerned you should not assume a kill shot seen on screen is the first hit a ship has taken. As ships are moving around in a battle swarm they are being hit multiple times not shown on screen before the Hero ship comes in for the kill. The next ship may not have taken as many hits when the Hero attacks it meaning it shields are still up at full or near full power. As you mention your view of the ship is tainted by your experience with it in games that gimp its abilities. I would think this ship should be as powerful as the Galaxy or at least the Excelsior class in a compact design since it is dedicated for battle.
@1061shrink1061
8 жыл бұрын
shot at 16:12 you can kinda see what would be an airlock door
@get470
8 жыл бұрын
and way you gents could reduce the LCARS display and increase the view screen.....please
@rangerjima
8 жыл бұрын
Maybe the articulation in the forward pod is to let a landing crew off if it makes planet fall.
@markplott4820
8 жыл бұрын
+rangerjima articulation is for docking.
@rangerjima
8 жыл бұрын
+Mark Plott Indeed thats why I suggested my comment. Its clear the vessel has landing struts but very distinct lack of outside hatches and airlocks. So unless they plan to beam down while landed they would need a way to reach the surface of the planet. Being able to adjust the forward pod down and extend a ramp out from the airlock that exist there would solve the issue.
@markplott4820
8 жыл бұрын
I think this was shown in the episode where they crashed on the time dilation planet. also I think there is a dockport or hatch on the underside tucked in the sides. near the shuttle bay.
@supercrew63
7 жыл бұрын
they are called pulse compression phasers
@chrisgwilliam9893
4 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t it say on the Playmates box, Up for Long range scans. Down for Battle mode?
@kb9oak749
7 жыл бұрын
There is a large precedent for pulse weapons being effective in sci-fi based game systems. Before you object, it should be noted that it's all fiction.
@Great_America
7 жыл бұрын
You guys never mentioned that the pulse phaser cannons were capable of outputting twice the amount of power as type XII phasers. Also, no mention of ablative armor??
@danieldb631
8 жыл бұрын
Actually, I don't think that's correct about the Defiant being ineffective against the Borg. For one, the Defiant and the Boseman (I think) were part of the first wave to attack the cube. Allegedly, the fight had been going on for so long that both the Borg cube and Starfleet forces had been worn down by the time they reached Earth. From what I've read years ago, the Defiant was actually responsible for most of the "heavy damage" that had been caused to the cube's outer hull. If that's correct, then the tough little ship had done quite a bit of softening up of the cube. Alas, I think Frakes wanted to have a "hero shot" with the new Enterprise-E and rescue poor, dumb Harr-I mean, Worf. For that to work, the Defiant had to appear weak as compared to the Enterprise.
@I.Simmonds
8 жыл бұрын
Ehh Large ships don't necessarily mean more effective. The Jem'Hadar fighter/ Attack ship, and the B'rel, are very effective. When Tomoloks two Warbird's ambushed the USS Enterprise D, it was four B'rels that got hem to back down not a Vor'cha or K'tinga's.
@rickventers1777
5 жыл бұрын
Same shape as the foreword clock emitter on the bird of prey the red horse shoe shaped piece
@thribs
8 жыл бұрын
Maybe one is the new Defiant seen in season 7 and the other is the older ship.
@jchardy007
5 жыл бұрын
What ever happened to the cloak that allowed starfleet ships to phase to rock as well as be cloak?
@jamesmagill5433
3 жыл бұрын
I can dig the armaments but the range has to be limited but how much?
@Daj60463
7 жыл бұрын
Shuttle should use for recon
@Rich.Staples
6 жыл бұрын
Alright guys.. sorry to see you get hanged up on the size issues. You keep fogetting the original Defiant was destroyed and replaced. While of course they were sister ships there would be certain changes in the design and capabilities. I agree the articulation is part of the docking procedure as the airlock extends from the ship
@highlyunlikely2349
7 жыл бұрын
I would rather have this ship in a battle than any other ds9 federation ship. I would give it primary and secondary multiphasic shields though.
@Lord_Shadowz
4 жыл бұрын
From what I understand, the Defiant, was in the battle with with the borg from the start. It started in waves. Starfleet learned from Wolf 359. They set up lines of defenses and when loses mounted every remaining warp capable remaining ship would lure the cube to the next line. The Defiant was there at every line. Fighting the entire time. So when we see the Defiant on screen it had been fighting the cube for hours. If you hear data they did do severe damage to the outer hull of the cube and there were power fluctuations. Starfleet did really well this time with planning and brute force as well as the new weapons they’ve developed. That’s why the borg had to go back in time. But the Defiant was successful against the borg. It was never meant to even fight alone. The Defiant class was meant to fight in packs. Defiants would need to be given neural packs and regenerative shields as well as Atleast a level 9 reactor if they are to be expected to fight alone.
@3142mn
8 жыл бұрын
hey guys do you know what book or books the U.S.S. Invincible monster ship is in?
@darthdraco3052
8 жыл бұрын
I have a question, we all know from the Enterprise that Starfleet likes to reuse registry numbers. So why do you think they changed the Defiant's? I remember a Constitution Class that was the USS Defiant NCC-1764.
@terryforsdyke306
7 жыл бұрын
I know this reply is a bit late but the Enterprises were a special case, no other canon ship had a letter at the end of the registration
@raxsavvage
7 жыл бұрын
about the comparison of the defiant and that excellsior , the excellsior ias about what 0.7? mile further away
@rover213
8 жыл бұрын
i havent seen anithig regarding the defiant besides the ds9 episodes i always thought it oinly had 2 decks at the moust concidering its size i dont think isnt a bad idea if it only had 2 /3 decks at the moust it probably whould have made it even more of a underestimate underdog on the fleet but that hangar bay whit that runabout i dont see how it whould work here it is whit 4 decks if the defiant had 3 decks i could see it next to a normal shutle but whit that cutaway i dont really see how its possible for it to be there honestly
@Lokiawa
8 жыл бұрын
I know in the DS9 episode "One Little Ship" they talked about sending the Defiant's Runabout to scan a strange nebula that turns any object that comes close to it small and smaller the closer it'd get to its center. After that ep was over I always questioned how that Runabout fitted inside the Defiant, since the Runabouts were shown to be about a deck and 1/3, that always confused me.
@lachieclements6859
7 жыл бұрын
I always thought the Defiant Class was 120 metres long...
@lachieclements6859
7 жыл бұрын
And I think it has pulse phasers because, as you said, faster rate of fire and more energy while not having the same ability to target. This ship was made to fight the Borg, generally their ships are very large, no need for precise targeting here, it's not that hard to miss something of that size. When this ship was being planned Starfleet only knew about the massive cubes anyway.
@terryforsdyke306
7 жыл бұрын
depending on which source the Defiant is not bigget than 55m (First Contact, based on the established size of NCC 1701-E) and cannot be smaller that 200m (and probably more like 220-250) based on footage of it launcing a shuttle from a hatch on Defiant's underside I had always thaught Defiant arround 110m, because most of the shots make more sense at 100-120 than 50 or 170 of 220 but there is so much contradictory evidance that working out a precise size based on footage relitave to other ships/stations is impossible. although I prefer a size of 110m my Defiant model is 135m, because that allows me to say the AMT 1:450 Defiant is 1:350, and in scale with the Bird of Prey, NX-01, and (when I get around to building them) the Classic NCC-1701 and 1701-A
@2nd09er
8 жыл бұрын
it's not useless in fleet ops though
@markplott4820
8 жыл бұрын
Here is a question . has any Captain ever thought of using Photon or Quantium torpedoes by beaming directly to the engineering or the bridge of a Enemy ship. to me if they got the ability to beam ship to ship during battle, then Captains should exploit this idea.
@danieldb631
8 жыл бұрын
+Mark Plott This was done once in Voyager. The torpedo was beamed onto a Borg scout ship and then detonated via-timer. The intent was to disable the ship, but it wound up destroying it, instead. I'm guessing this tactic wasn't used more frequently during combat for two reasons: 1) The torpedo would first have to be taken out of storage, configured, and put on a transporter pad. 2) You can't beam anything onto another ship while its shields are still up. While it might be an effective move in a desperate situation, I don't think it's a very practical move to use all of the time.
@markplott4820
8 жыл бұрын
@ danieldb631 - thanks Daniel, I knew I saw it somewhere, I think its more practical in the next gen era foreward, as they have more capability with site to site transport, not so much in the TOS era, but it is theoretically possible. agree with you its nearly impossible to beam anything with shields up. however , we have seen multiple instances where Starfleet has been able to infiltrate ships with shields up. however this tactic is more favorable with shields nearly failing or only partally active on a flank.
@qasimmir7117
8 жыл бұрын
It's hard to beam through shields. I think they did manage to do it once to a Borg ship in Voyager.
@markplott4820
8 жыл бұрын
was in canon several years earlier , TNG - the wounded, the Bejamin Maxwell consideres beaming ship to ship with shields up, apparently they are gaps in some shield designs.
@darknova59
7 жыл бұрын
Why can't it fire torpedoes when cloaked ?
@analysisofscifi6051
8 жыл бұрын
legacy it fired qotom torpedoes
@stepstv4466
7 жыл бұрын
defiant vs lakota i didnt like the angle the defiant was shooting in
@terrypalmore7314
8 жыл бұрын
someone said there was a non-patreon DONATE button here somewhere. I just want to give a one time gift... Patreaon only takes subscriptions of monthly gifts not single gifts. It also collects the subscriptions on the first..not the fifth when my funds are available. ??????
@Trekyardswebseries
8 жыл бұрын
There are 2 donate buttons on the site. One is a Patreon link the other is a PayPal donate button. The PayPal one is a one time donation option.
@paulwalsh2344
6 жыл бұрын
I would sincerely like to contribute for all these guys work too, but I'm unemployed, 48 and livin in my mom's basement... I am in no way proud of any of these facts...
@AxelFuentesMusic
8 жыл бұрын
it has the wrong Registry number on the picture of the pulse phaser! look closely it says NCC-74210!!
@howsthedoctoronvoyag
8 жыл бұрын
that's the U.S.S. Valiant from DS9 season 6 episode 22 which is a Defiant class ship.
@AxelFuentesMusic
8 жыл бұрын
+howsthedoctoronvoyag nononononono look again, it says USS Defiant but it has the Valiant's registry
@howsthedoctoronvoyag
8 жыл бұрын
huh. You're right. Probably a production error. Good Eye.
@patrickchapman8583
7 жыл бұрын
didn't the Defiant get destroyed and later another ship of the class rechristened as the Defiant?
@AxelFuentesMusic
7 жыл бұрын
***** yes
@HungLikeScrat
6 жыл бұрын
You really did very little research prior to this video.
@MrMartechi
8 жыл бұрын
I really don't like much about this ship and would have rather seen it just be a prototype that never got into series production. The whole idea of building a small warship like that seems odd to me. To me, it would've made much more sense for Ds9 to use a Prometheus-style starship, something similar at least. They could have a bid ship that can take more of a punch and whenever they need a smaller, agile starship that uses the stealth unit, they could have used the seperation to split up the "small, agile little warship". It would have been such a great use for seperation that we have never seen in any series. But isn't that really common for starfleet designs? They always pretend like it's a totally new thing to have such a small ship, when, really, even the enterprise D was supposed to seperate and use it's battle section in serious combat. And what is that seperated battlesection other than a "Small little battleship" ? To build a whole new class of ship instead of going further down the seperation way doesn't seem very "natural" to me.
@VincentVisee
8 жыл бұрын
seperating a ship makes it furnerable, in the case of the prometheus, you'll have 3 weaker ships. and again, the galaxy wasn't a warship and the decouple thingy was to get civillians safe. the defiant was 170 meters and the galaxy 650 or so, but still has alot better weapons
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