Umpire did a fantastic job calling balls and strikes. If he calls like this all the time I hope he gets to the majors.
@thomasgoetz8723
Жыл бұрын
@Kristopher - Why should the majors want this ump? He would stand out the shitty ump in the majors so they will keep him out of the majors.
@AndyA1
Жыл бұрын
I've seen him before. He's very emphatic lol. I love him.
@randominternet5586
Жыл бұрын
Man - 6 for 6 on challenges, these are all calls they thought he got wrong and some were close and he had the right result. Nice job!
@DXT61
Жыл бұрын
@@randominternet5586 yeah, makes you wonder just how accurate they really are. I thought a couple of those would probably be overturned.
@mikejunt
Жыл бұрын
@@DXT61 umpscorecards isnt completely accurate but we see even the worst games MLB umpires have usually involve them missing like 5-7 of the like 300 pitches in a MLB game. They do a pretty good job, and most of their misses are so close that they're just within the margin for error of the human eye and available angles.
@GregMcNeish
Жыл бұрын
I loved that on the last challenge for the Bisons, when the pitcher calls for it the catcher very clearly is saying, "really, dude? Don't challenge THAT." (with his body language)
@roryh2241
Жыл бұрын
These teams need to learn how to use challenges. If it’s a 3-0 count or an 0-0, I know it’s frustrating if the call is wrong, but you need to save your challenges for if it’s a close game coming down the stretch! Or at least a 3-2 count
@randominternet5586
Жыл бұрын
No kidding. Some of these I was like, what / why?
@JoshSmith-pb8rw
Жыл бұрын
I like this umpire. He calls a tight zone, accurately and has great energy.
@aidana3761
Ай бұрын
I’ve had him in real life. He’s fantastic and is a great conversation when I’m helping coach a bag as well. Really cool story and is now living up in Canada!
@dperl5640
Жыл бұрын
This is absolutely a great example of both great umpiring as well as a great system that should be implemented. Period! It is the perfect mixture of keeping a plate ump calling the game while also allowing the computer system to be involved by the team if desired! I see ZERO downside to this! Finally, as a former catcher is the SEC (and a college ump with 25 yrs experience) I WOULD FREAK if my pitcher asked for a challenge when i did not want one. Any catcher at a high level will tell you the pitcher has a very bad view of where the ball actually crosses the zone and also is usually too emotional on close pitches! If I was that catcher Id have gotten on that pitcher's ass if he did that in a game I was catching! Great video as always. Best baseball rules and umping channel on YT hands down!
@randominternet5586
Жыл бұрын
What makes it work is the speed. They are saying 20 seconds, but really, by the time the challenge call is made it's basically 10 seconds or so.
@micahsilverman5284
Жыл бұрын
Ive been looking for more clips of the challenge system, but they are hard to find. Thank you Lindsay for the best video yet! If they implement this in the majors, they need to make it even tighter of an automatic ejection to argue balls and strikes after losing all your challenges. I 100% agree that this system is supposed to be used for obvious misses, and if a team loses all their challenges early they deserve to go down in flames
@james7819
Жыл бұрын
I was at this game back on Sunday. Takahito Matsuda was the home plate umpire for this game for those wondering. Bisons poured it on early and cruised to the win and I'm sure that the two Rochester ejections (including manager Matt LeCroy) were also in part due to the frustration of being down by a lot as well. I heard Danish and the HP umpire Matsuda bark at each other from where I was sitting. He got tossed after the end of the 7th as seen in the video. Also I didn't realize that all of the challenges were unsuccessful initially. Thanks for the video!
@thienvu8120
Жыл бұрын
It seems to me that as a manager you would want to track how the ump is doing amd then start challenging in the 6th or 7th inning on areas you've identified as the umps weakness.
@closethockeyfan5284
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, video coach looking at it throughout the game to then relay info to the dugout
@mikejunt
Жыл бұрын
Or save it for high leverage, as the color guy comments at one point, challenging a 3-0 pitch early in the game is a pretty low value challenge, costly if you miss and pretty low upside if you hit. You should save them for close calls preferably in situations that matter, like 2 strike counts (especially full counts), with runners on or late in the game. Better to end the game with a challenge left in case you needed it in a close situation than to run out and not have one in that situation
@moose7454
Жыл бұрын
For context, this stemmed back to two nights prior. In the 1st inning, Taka told Red Wings P Joan Adón that he had to change his glove because of the color of the strings. 1B Matt Adams said something to Taka, and he booted him. According to Red Wings broadcaster Josh Whetzel, Adams said that he told Taka that Adón used the glove in the big leagues, Taka said he didn’t care, then he said to Taka “you guys are too strict” and that was all it took to throw him out. And the 3B ump in this game was a fill-in after Navas got called up. The Red Wings really didn’t like this crew the whole series. And also in general Rochester has had an awful season, LeCroy has been in a foul mood, he’s been ejected three times already I believe.
@randominternet5586
Жыл бұрын
How do you argue with a HP umpire that is perfect on every challenge and every challenge used. I mean, cut the guy some slack, that's way above some of the calling I've seen in the majors and this is AAA.
@mudandbleach
Жыл бұрын
The other thing worth noting about the challenge system is it’s actually quite engaging for the fan in the park too. Usually the PA announcer lets us know immediately what’s up and they play the challenge graphic on the scoreboard. I’ve been to games with casual fans unfamiliar with the computer and they really dig the challenges.
@mattbraddock
Жыл бұрын
Buffalo's last challenge (@1:58) - the catcher frames, but you can see him shake his head and look very dejected when his pitcher challenges, because he knows it was a ball.
@rj7411
Жыл бұрын
Love that plate umpire strike zone knowledge and professionalism. I see this moving to the majors in the future.
@terrencecitywide
7 ай бұрын
If coach charges out of the dugout after getting tossed, he should be charged with trespassing. #nojoke
@almostfm
Жыл бұрын
I wonder how many of those challenges resulted from the catcher yanking an obvious ball into the strike zone and then holding it-like we couldn't see that the pitch was six inches low.
@XXelpollodiabloXX
Жыл бұрын
My man challenged the exact same pitch twice in one inning. That takes guts.
@ronpeacock9939
Жыл бұрын
Sadly, this hitters and pitcher in MLB would probably burn through the challenges by the end of the 2nd inning simply due to their ego's... still.. we'd still have the issues we see with all of the ejections.
@CommonSense823
Жыл бұрын
Nah. They don’t lose them if they are overturned. Much higher chance of that in MLB.
@kennowens7381
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Given the number of ejections we've seen where the call was correct, I'm guessing that the players would challenge incorrectly about once per inning per team and they'd be out of challenges by the middle of most games.
@arlietenhove4039
Жыл бұрын
Taka is a hell of an umpire his strike zone is beautiful. Always great the MLB will be calling in a matter of time.
@aidana3761
Ай бұрын
Taka is a dawg. He’s umping semi pro ball up in Canada and his zone is immaculate
@chrisnease88
Жыл бұрын
If I were a manager I would only allow the catcher to challenge, they have the best view and pitchers have massive egos
@a_doggo
Жыл бұрын
Fascinating. Great zone from the PU, those catchers are a pleasure to work with.
@andreymalov9602
Жыл бұрын
What a great job by the PU! His mechanics are very solid, and the zone is fantastic!
@jt-music-media
Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the ABS to make it to the majors. BASEBAWL!!!
@HarrySJohnson
Жыл бұрын
Ah, the classic “I wasn’t talking to you!”, which always follows an ejectable statement or gesture.
@vonskyme9133
Жыл бұрын
I found it hilarious, given he's saying he's talking to the other umpire when the crew chief told him to stop. It's like having a problem with a cashier and then telling the supervisor who comes over to see what's going on that you're talking to their employee. Like all good bosses the answer was 'not here you aren't'.
@JoshSmith-pb8rw
Жыл бұрын
That coach is so old he’s lucky to be talking at all.
@danielcastiglione5328
Жыл бұрын
If this is how the challenge system is going to be used, I don’t want it! These pitches aren’t the gross misses for key pitches being challenged.
@tappyoklahoma
Жыл бұрын
sick editing... that was quite the cliff hanger
@alexh8613
Жыл бұрын
I'd be very curious to how accurate these ball/strike pitch challenges are. Do they adjust to the players height? While inside/outside we can't really tell because the camera is at an angle. I could be wrong, but the high/low zone seems to be, what you see is what it is. That brings me to 2:21 . The strike zone is supposed to be from the knees to halfway between the belt and the shoulders. Which is usually the bottom of the letters. If you pause it at 2:22 the batter is squatting down. According to the broadcaster, that batter is 6'4". A pitch thrown right in the middle of the catchers mask, should easily be below a 6'4" batter's letters. But yet the challenge system says that the pitch was not only just a ball, but wasn't even borderline.
@fallendeus
Жыл бұрын
couple things wrong with this comment. 1) the strikezone is determined by the batters stance, not height. The batters stance is pretty low which brings his strikezone much lower. 2) Also when the catcher catches the ball it's around the height of his forehead... that's when he CATCHES the ball... which means it's few feet past the plate. The ABS calls based off when the pitch crosses the halfway point of home plate... You can see in the ABS replay the ball is curving down when it crosses the plate so ofc its going to look lower when the catcher receives the ball. 3) You say that it was thrown in the middle of the catchers mask because you miss the catcher bringing it down slightly while he catches it. It hits his glove when it's right around the top of the forehead and him trying to frame the pitch (not sure why they even bother anymore, you aren't going to fool the system) while also receiving it with the top of the glove (which causes it to follow the glove down into the pocket) makes the pitch look much lower than it is. The system is on it's second year of use, first year of use by all AAA teams. The system is more accurate than your own eyes and judgement.
@bnegs521
Жыл бұрын
Gotta keep in mind its 11 to 1. The manager wantex out of there.
@terrencecitywide
7 ай бұрын
I love Brian Piccolo. Thanks Lin
@lo1bo2
Жыл бұрын
This is the opposite of Sorana Cirstea's six SUCCESSFUL challenges in a tennis match. There's a three minute video on KZitem.
@priceright8963
Жыл бұрын
This is something I can get behind. Within reason, tough beans if you run out of challenges.
@baseballfan9848
Жыл бұрын
Home Plate - Crew Chief this guy has to be up to the next level. 6/6 on pitch challenges and stands up for partner on the field. He didn't go looking for trouble, they all came looking for him. With no one having any reason to come at him he stood his ground. Poor sportsmanship on Rochester, as usual.
@J.C...
Жыл бұрын
Man they wasted all of those. Smh.
@cedardreamsLLC
Жыл бұрын
love the green onions intro
@2332Stephen
Жыл бұрын
I love baseball but I hate whats happened to it. I don't even recognize it anymore. Petty challenges, all the whining all the time.
@areguapiri
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. This is not baseball. This is some space-aged, techno sport.
@mattybee1856
Жыл бұрын
Where are all of the "can't wait for robot umps" people/comments????
@bnegs521
Жыл бұрын
ME!! However just let the robo umps call the entire game
@areguapiri
Жыл бұрын
Umpiring behind home plate is super stressful with this challenge system mess.This is not baseball. This is some space-aged, techno sport.
@CommonSense823
Жыл бұрын
Wish they’d move underperforming umpires down from MLB to make room for high performing umpires in AAA. The union would never stand for it though, so guys like this have to wait for someone to retire.
@mae0742
Жыл бұрын
This is ridiculous! Just go full computer call and get on with it.
@trustmebro1678
Жыл бұрын
Lol not the c slot check swing. Nice.
@Renegade605
Жыл бұрын
If MLB adopts a ball/strike challenge system but the broadcasters leave the on screen box up, and we have pitches where the box says called incorrect but then upheld or confirmed on challenge: do you think people will see it as proof ABS doesn't work in real time or take it as reason to call the challenge system rigged?
@rickhaavisto9023
Жыл бұрын
Or, a hopeful third option, the broadcasters mention that the on screen box isn’t a perfect representation of the strike zone
@Renegade605
Жыл бұрын
@@rickhaavisto9023 that'd be great but I doubt it. They don't say that now so...
@avesselgaming
Жыл бұрын
I love this challenge system. Helps guarantee the correct call, and also helps show off umpires correctness.
@deankirkpatrick7658
Жыл бұрын
I hate it. as seen here the umpire got all of them correct. so what the hell is the point? to pacify a bunch of cry babies.
@joshhildebrand8969
Жыл бұрын
Are we sure that the manager is not Ron Gardenhire. Looks a lot like him. Even the walk looks similar
@teebob21
Жыл бұрын
Nope, that's LeCroy. He's only 47 but he looks like he's 67.
@CloseCallSports
Жыл бұрын
…He is only 47?
@MrHmg55
Жыл бұрын
@@CloseCallSports Yeah, he played for those good Twins teams in the '00s, part of the crop of outstanding prospects I had the pleasure of watching at AA with the New Britain Rock Cats a few years earlier -- Jacque Jones, AJ Pierzynski, Michael Cuddyer, Torii Hunter, Doug Mientkiewicz, etc. The physical resemblance to Gardenhire is remarkable, though.
@teebob21
Жыл бұрын
@@MrHmg55 A steady post-playing days retirement diet of ballpark glizzys will do that to a person.
@holmj12
Жыл бұрын
1:55 the catcher's reaction to his pitcher challenging a clear ball Edit: especially when they had challenged a similar pitch that also proved to be a ball
@omny6686
Жыл бұрын
If implimenting this saves 4 minutes in watching an umpire argue with a manager, it would shave 8 minutes off of the league average game time
@michaelchung1526
Жыл бұрын
This is good stuff. Can't get to the majors fast enough. The fully automated system can't come fast enough
@vitesse_arnhem
Жыл бұрын
Wrong! Wrong! This is destroying baseball as we know it. Why have a limited challenge system when you can just bring QuesTec back? This is a communist plot to completely ruin the sport. Universal DH and the shift ban are socialist and so is this. Anyone who supports this system is a fake fan!
@leonmatthewsiv1699
Жыл бұрын
for the love of God, seriously... can we get a graphic with an accurate strike zone? It is 3D, not a 2D plane.
@teebob21
Жыл бұрын
It's not likely to happen anytime soon. Both PitchF/X and Trackman are not capable of tracking the location of a pitch through 20 meters of 3D space. Instead, these systems determine velocity, instantaneous position, and spin rate at a given point to simulate the rest of flight of the ball, similar to how Trackman golf simulators are able to simulate a golf ball's flight from its motion just a few milliseconds after impact with the club face.
@Requinix17
Жыл бұрын
Just let the ABS do it all. The challenge system just creates way too many anticlimactic moments. It's a groan every time
@bnegs521
Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@thickerconstrictor9037
Жыл бұрын
If that's the case I would rather just have humans do it. With pitch clocks and automatic zones and replay the game is getting way too automated and I would rather my team lose the world series on a poor call then have to watch baseball with all this shit. Fuck people complained about steroids but at least steroids gave us the best baseball team ever seen and not this technological bullshit
@pavanatanaya
Жыл бұрын
Ladies and Gentlemen The Buffalo Bystanders
@terrencecitywide
7 ай бұрын
Umpire was 6-0. I bet his grilled cheese dinner tasted like filet mignon.
@Briansgate
Жыл бұрын
so in this automated system, does the strike zone parameters change for each batter or is the strike zone now static for all batters?
@1NobleGiant
Жыл бұрын
Isn't this what the robo ump bros wanted? Rejoice
@deankirkpatrick7658
Жыл бұрын
Bison's 3rd challenge @ the 2:00 minute mark. by the pitcher - look at the catchers reaction, he knew it was low. Only catchers and managers should be able to challenge. But I totally dislike this anyway.
@randominternet5586
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, he was like oh man. Why wouldn't a pitcher defer to a catcher signal on a challenge, catcher is a LOT closer to the plate!?
@terrencecitywide
7 ай бұрын
Questioning authority is granted a larger role in Baseball?
@tretre1692
Жыл бұрын
Can we see more of how/why umpires utilize a computer to call balls and strikes like the episode a few days ago please! Very weird concept!
@doohuh
Жыл бұрын
Gotta save those challenges for big moments not a 3-0 count with nobody on LUL
@blueskies25
Жыл бұрын
Shows the limitations of the challenge system. Should just bypass the umps and have the computer call all pitches. Then you won't have to worry about running out of challenges.
@randolphhudson8645
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 strike and ball challenge 😂😂😂 the MLB needs this
@bnegs521
Жыл бұрын
If you challenge and get it right do you get the challenge back?
@moose7454
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@owenzeiter4639
Жыл бұрын
What did the broadcast mean by fill in umpire? Like a call up from AA or?
@zacmontgomery8684
Жыл бұрын
The umpire in the infield who called the strike appears to be a college umpire filling in for someone on the Triple A crew, probably because of injury or illness. They do sometimes use Double A umpires to fill in at Triple A if they are close enough with enough notice. Good on the home plate umpire for taking the heat off the fill-in and handling the manager.
@davegoodridge8352
Жыл бұрын
MLB is doing a Bud Light. In their attempt to speed up the game, they're losing the older fans.
@linfordglick7671
Жыл бұрын
Baseball will fall behind hockey as the least watched sport if they start allowing challenges like that. That would be unbearable to watch a game with that many challenges per team
@vitesse_arnhem
Жыл бұрын
This is destroying baseball as we know it. Why have a limited challenge system when you can just bring QuesTec back? This is a communist plot to completely ruin the sport. Universal DH and the shift ban are socialist and so is this. Anyone who supports this system is a fake fan!
@doohuh
Жыл бұрын
6 out of 300 pitches?
@areguapiri
Жыл бұрын
That challenge system is awful to watch as a true baseball fan.
@mikestermike
Жыл бұрын
I can see maybe the batter motioning to the dugout that they would like a review, but ultimately the request comes from the bench. Not waiting on feedback from their camera crews like fielded plays, but just a quick thumbs up or down. This would hopefully keep the challenges from being used ineffectively.
@PaulHarvey3
Жыл бұрын
The dugout? I thought only batters, catchers, and pitchers could challenge balls and strikes with this system?
@mikestermike
Жыл бұрын
@@PaulHarvey3 which is why I suggested an okay from the dugout instead
@richatwood
Жыл бұрын
Can you also do double A thanks
@MadSpectre47
Жыл бұрын
How do you run through these challenges in the early innings? I know you never can know when you'll use them or lose them and when a big moment can possibly happen, but running out of challenges by the 4th inning seems... less than ideal. Not in this game since it was a massive blowout, but man. Also why not just let the computer call all the pitches? If the goal is to get things right, lets... get all the things right.
@ryanbenjamin105
Жыл бұрын
MLB players are going to use their challenges more effectively, at (I would guess) a success rate of about 50%. Which means if this system were to be implemented, we'd see at least 6 wasted challenges and possibly several more successful challenges. So 10-15 challenges per game, at 15-20 s each. Potentially 6 minutes of challenge stoppage every game. Doesn't seem like a lot but I think it's counterproductive to the effort being made by the pitch clock to shorten the game. Challenges totally disrupt the flow, in my opinion. There's an easier solution - just use ABS for all pitches.
@marinebean420
Жыл бұрын
Slow rules day?
@notvalidcharacters
Жыл бұрын
5:49 did he just say "a running conversation with the right wing dugout"?
@james7819
Жыл бұрын
He said "Red Wing dugout". Rochester's team name.
@bigpoppa1234
Жыл бұрын
Don't get why you'd bother with a challenge system when you can just use the automated system from the start. I suppose while the MLB doesn't use an ABS though you would have to have the umpires lower keep calling otherwise you could end up with umpires who have got used to not calling balls/strikes moving up to the MLB. As for the teams, in a challenge system, the only way you should be wasting challenges is for events with significant impact which would be getting an out or walking in a runner, or late in the game where getting someone on base really matters.
@stephenkasper6081
Жыл бұрын
The answer is time, it takes about 2-4 seconds for the system to record the pitch and relay the call to the umpire who then makes the call. That adds up over 300 pitches. And that's if the system is calibrated perfectly every time.
@CommonSense823
Жыл бұрын
@@stephenkasper6081 2-4 seconds is worth it. There should be no reason to have to challenge anything. Just get it right the first time, every time. At least keep it consistent pitch to pitch.
@karlrovey
Жыл бұрын
@@CommonSense823 Except the automated system has some flaws and still gets some calls wrong.
@bigpoppa1234
Жыл бұрын
@@stephenkasper6081 in soccer the goal line technology system almost instantly buzzes the referee to tell them the ball went all the way over the line, and that's way more complex (due to players being in the way of the cameras, goalkeepers reaching or trying to knock the ball away), so there's technology around that could do it within a second.
@CommonSense823
Жыл бұрын
@@karlrovey So do the human umpires. The tech will only improve.
@johnvincent7170
Жыл бұрын
What is the "money's worth" coin worth at the minor league scale?
@ectweak
Жыл бұрын
about $3.50
@priceright8963
Жыл бұрын
@@ectweak Curious. How's it being measured?
@Ghostrider6A
Жыл бұрын
Here's a question I have. Suppose R1 is stealing second and a pitch is called a ball. F1 decides to challenge that ball call. Is play dead immediately or would the steal attempt be adjudicated before the pitch replay? I don't recall anything being released on that. Thank you!
@adamdelivers0214
Жыл бұрын
The pitch would be challenged once playing action has ended. So, in this case, the steal attempt would be adjudicated and then the pitch challenge.
@DG-BB
Жыл бұрын
mechanically correct yes...accuracy from the C position ...meh. if they don't want to pay 1 more umpire...use the strike zone box + geometric angles, establish a parameter for check swings.... ai will be more accurate and cheaper...
@vincentwendt720
Жыл бұрын
The only problem with that is the rules committee needs to create a more definite rule than "attempts to strike at the pitch." The technology needs a reference point and the Official Baseball Rules (OBR) doesn't define what an attempt is. I've been wanting to see a more definite rule anyway. Maybe someday the OBR will create a more definite rule.
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