The fact that shot players can get like 9 Zookas in a game or more is ridiculous literally just too many trizooka meta
@kiyoshiizumi02
11 ай бұрын
Splattershot main here- Im lucky to get more than 2 trizookas in a single match. 9 times? Thats nuts! 😂
@Aegisdex
11 ай бұрын
@@kiyoshiizumi02 not a splattershot main here, i get about 6 a match cause cooler just denies special loss
@israeldelacruzchanel
11 ай бұрын
Ah, so we're finally going to talk about how unfair it is that the weapons that you can paint the fastest are the ones that have the fewest special points? That's been going on since the first game.
@FostedFlake
11 ай бұрын
@@kiyoshiizumi02 it’s pretty rare too get that much zookas a match I saw it happen on a mincemeat zones match, but dedicated players I often see getting 6 to 7 a game pretty regularly very annoying to deal with that many
@harmless9336
11 ай бұрын
And the weapon keeps getting buffs anyway
@--_Rin_--
11 ай бұрын
I wish people would band together like this to buff Reefslider. :(
@ShadowSkyX
11 ай бұрын
Id want either faster startup or i frames during the startup
@eeveemaster243
11 ай бұрын
@@ShadowSkyX That kinda gets rid of the counterplay for that special, as you're *supposed* to be able to punish reckless use of it, just like any other special. I personally would opt for a faster detonation time since the trail it outlines ahead of itself is already too much of a warning that it's coming, so making the explosion happen faster seems completely justified to me.
@eeveemaster243
11 ай бұрын
One of these days my friend, one of these days.
@acekirby678
11 ай бұрын
If you could curve the bumpers while the path was being laid out, that’d be super cool!
@BaselardFE
11 ай бұрын
I know it's Twitter, but man seeing the Zorconic situation blown out of proportion was so dumb. Everyone missing the point 😭 Anyway thank you for explaining everything about the zooka
@Conro_Spl
11 ай бұрын
The comparisons to Splatoon 1 were so baffling to me, it's not the same situation at all. Thankfully Trizooka has plenty of details that can be toned down, so I'm hoping it can be balanced without getting completely gutted. Anyway, good vid :)
@Whodjathink
11 ай бұрын
I still hold on to the belief that Shooters should never have special below 200. The only shooters I might give exception to that is the nozzlenoses and *maybe* the pros
@d.g4466
11 ай бұрын
Thiss^^^^^ devs figure it out please
@vincentngo3409
11 ай бұрын
meanwhile non shooters that struggle to paint with 200 p
@Whodjathink
11 ай бұрын
@@vincentngo3409 or 210 because *balance*
@Ev4nsk1
11 ай бұрын
the amount of time it takes to get wave breaker with custom jr vs range blaster is insane
@BigPro1123
11 ай бұрын
If people say ” just dodge it” or “be more aware” I assume they have never died to trizooka before since it’s easy to dodge and they are the most aware person ever and can watch the zooka player and the 3 other enemies all at the same time.
@Ashsams
11 ай бұрын
They simply have a better gaming chair
@Kahmie
11 ай бұрын
They’re playing worse players that can’t aim a trizooka. If you’re fighting someone who can, then the answer is to play with good positioning and rhythm to disable the trizooka player.
@d.g4466
11 ай бұрын
I just rush zooka players before they have it to stagger them lol prolly not the smartest but sure is solo q effective
@GUSplatoon
11 ай бұрын
It reminds of the days when people would comment under Chara’s videos ok missiles & say just dodge em lmao
@br_matias_br
11 ай бұрын
I feel like the hitbox could have an inner and outer indirect range like burst bomb, 3-shotting with the outer hitbox, 2-shotting with the inner one and keeping the direct damage. Dividing the indirect hitbox like this could mitigate the problem of the special being too easy to splat foe with just indirects (if that even is a thing, I don't play zooka weapons much).
@JasontheMason5
11 ай бұрын
That thread on Twitter made me so upset lmao. They were berating Zorconic as if he’s not a good player
@warmblanket3394
11 ай бұрын
Lets get the community to complain about big bubbler next
@nategreen5586
11 ай бұрын
Great video! You made good points about zooka and did a good job explaining its problems
@belgabad
11 ай бұрын
100 % agree with the blast radius reduction, Madness shows with clips on twitter : Zooka is that it's """"""""too easy""""""" to get value of it, even if you don't/just approximatively know when the opponent MIGHT be. Yes, it's also a problem of awareness (hidding and be careful whentri-zooka indicator light up in the HUD) On the other hand, Zooka should stay an agressive special able to get kills, it could just use a skill floor a bit higher in my humble (casual player) oppinion. In casual environment it's more obivous : Zooka are doing a massacre even here, when Crab wasn't as much of an issue as in the comp scene, because it requires a skill level to get good value of it (positionning, combo technique, etc...). Ditto for Inkjet (heigh/landing point). Zooka doesn't have this problem and is valuable almost whatever you do with it, as long as you shoot in the general direction of opponents
@henrydiamond3435
11 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, but the intro to the video got me in tears.🤣😂
@GUSplatoon
11 ай бұрын
AWESOME. I tried to make it entertaining lol
@Grenze_Splatoon
Ай бұрын
I’m rewatching these videos after getting better and smarter, and I am even angrier at squid schools videos than before. Gem says “use the map to get info” and says “the map reduced visibility” when it’s convenient. He talks about special awareness and how you should expect everyone to get their special attention any second, and says the opposite is being interpreted. Also, he mention other paths. Zorconic couldn’t have gone up the right ledge because of paint. Same with left. If he painted it, Gem would’ve argued “they could see you painting and punished you”. Zorc also couldn’t have gone through the center because of paint and a bomb. Gem said he could’ve dropped right with bombs but chances are they would seen them and punished. My problem with him isn’t what he tries to do, but what he objectively does. It tends to paint the wrong picture and comes off more hateful than intended. The fact is, Zorc had no way in and waiting for just his team, let alone specials, would given them maybe eight seconds to do something is they were lucky. By then, the enemies could pushed in base, gotten specials, and created a worse situation. His argument of “slow down and plan” would’ve ended the match in the same way, but with less effort.
@LumeanTV
11 ай бұрын
I have to agree with the radius being the big problem for me. It has a sound that's clear to hear, but I don't play with sound very often, so that's on me. I don't mind the no-startup frames because, let's be honest, that'd be weird. Just from a.. "This special doesn't logically have any need to get anything ready like Reefslider', standpoint. And the damage going back down to fifty or so, from sixty, just puts it back into its inconsistent spot where it'll take three shots to kill someone. Didn't we just have a patch that _fixed_ that issue? Why should it go _back_ to that? For me, the radius is just a little too big for my liking. I don't understand very much how you can tank or avoid any damage from hiding behind a wall from an Ink Vac shot, but get nearly demolished from being barely two inches to the right of an indirect from Trizooka. That doesn't make much sense.
@adrianoctavio
11 ай бұрын
Trizooka should on top of those nerfs get the tenta missiles nerf where you can't charge it again until the meter fully depletes (I feel like this should be a standard for all specials, but baby steps)
@colby_247
11 ай бұрын
This kind of nerf is the most retarded one.
@ayskaripepperooni2770
11 ай бұрын
I liked how the video explained and changed many misconceptions around trizooka and zorconic's tweet, while also being enjoyable to watch, an edited video that is just 10 minutes long. This is just what many people and the community needs in these kinds situations.
@Nynodon
11 ай бұрын
I think one of zookas problems might be its range. On top of all pf its other overtunungs you can see it sniping people from across the map, way farthwr than even an e-liter
@Enderchase64
11 ай бұрын
My idea for balancing trizooka, make the outer ends of the hitbox a 40 and a smaller 60 range, maybe more startup not sure about that.
@Benji-dr4gl
4 ай бұрын
just swap reefs end lag with zooka's startup and you have achieved optimal balance (ok mabey a bit too extreme but the right direction).
@gracecairns9747
10 ай бұрын
personally i think splattershot is the problem it has such high zooka output and great accuracy and is one of the easiest weapons in the game. I thunk zook meta could be fixed with 220p splattershot and a slight startup lag for zooka. Also reduce Splattershots shot velocity or revert acuracy
@JDSTACKALOTT
10 ай бұрын
Correct me if i am wrong, but I think the best counter for zooka right now is splat dualies, mostly because of how fast its dodge rolls are, which can punish the bad positioning of whoever activates it. Otherwise you can just make yourself harder to one shot
@ram-wrangler
11 ай бұрын
I completely agree with the ideas stated here, and think that the fact that the damage radius is larger than the explosion radius is just stupid, Zorconic was clearly making a joke about awareness. But both sides can be right when given the full context. Seeing the replay of the match, he himself also made some mistakes that made him susceptible to getting hit like that, choosing to keep rushing the exact same way that made it easy to pick. Had it been something like a Splat Bomb or Suction Bomb, no one would've bat an eye. But at the same time, sometimes even with awareness, there are aspects of the special that make it a nuisance, which isn't bad, but its prevalence makes it hard to play sometimes when the sky is raining Trizooka shots. I think with the smaller explosion radius it could be healthier, any other change might be too drastic and reduce the special to a shell.
@frog5961
11 ай бұрын
If there was a stupid nerf I would do, it would be that whenever trizooka is popped, give it more start-up lag and also send an EAS alarm on your console, and the EAS alarm is extremely loud.
@GUSplatoon
11 ай бұрын
🚨
@eeveemaster243
11 ай бұрын
Wait Zorconic made that tweet? Thinking about it now, that totally makes sense considering how he likes to whine alot, but honestly, I think his complaining actually did some good this time, as it's raised a few eyes at the problematically over tuned Trizooka special. Good job Zorconic, you did some good. 👍
@ShurikanBlade
11 ай бұрын
Peak xenoblade music
@GUSplatoon
11 ай бұрын
Dude. This soundtrack is insane
@Lesbeon_8
11 ай бұрын
Nothing apart from the start lag Part from that perfect for murdering crab
@FryedCalamari
11 ай бұрын
I feel like a good nerf would be 50 indirect, smaller radius and an actual startup
@jayelenlewis1644
10 ай бұрын
Yo gus, so i jist came from zorcs vid about when to switch main weapons and i have a question. Is the only way i can actually excel is by playing weapon that are in the meta. Over the years since splat 1 (i was about 10) i went from 96 deco. To eliter. To wiper. And still find myself struggling at times with the wiper mainly because of the hammer. So i decided to get into the kraken but cant because i feel like im backtracking by using the roller. Sorry for the rant but i just wanted you to understand the mindset that i have in order to make the best response. Anything helps though. 👍🏾
@GUSplatoon
10 ай бұрын
It depends what you want to accomplish. If you play for fun, play what you want. But if you want to win, it's really good to be adaptive, even if you are just playing soloQ. Let's say you switch off and learn another weapon. If at the end of the day, you don't like it, you still learned something because you learned how a new weapon works. There's a lot of benefits to just trying different things even if you don't stick with it in the long run.
@HawaiianDragonX
11 ай бұрын
Crab was the counter for this but we ended up getting that nerfed so there's nothing to balance it and don't say brella cause it 1 shots us and take our shield down
@synthwavesun2450
11 ай бұрын
Yeah the special having such consistency is kinda stupid. If I were to judge what it is, I'd call it a high risk high reward special, that gets a lot of value when used correctly, but is useless if you don't know what you're doing. I agree, that reducing the radius and increasing the startup lag is a good idea, but idk if Nintendo will actually do that, so gotta hope for it to happen. Same goes for Shot pfs nerfs, bc we know, that they heavily favor shooters when it comes to balancing. Also making special weapons counter each other is not a good idea. This isn't Overwatch idk who thinks making specific counters is a good idea
@osiohanu8166
11 ай бұрын
Specials aren’t DESIGNED to counter each other, that’s just something that occurs naturally
@synthwavesun2450
11 ай бұрын
@@osiohanu8166 It does, but I'm talking about Nintendo buffing certain specials to deal with others
@osiohanu8166
11 ай бұрын
@@synthwavesun2450 could you give me some examples of this
@synthwavesun2450
11 ай бұрын
@@osiohanu8166 for example instead of nerfing Crab Tank, they started by making Zooka, Tri Strike, Inkjet (idk if I forgot some) do more damage against it
@nimroddafny7125
11 ай бұрын
@@synthwavesun2450 I think Stamp also got that buff.
@Sylilkal
11 ай бұрын
Omg I've only seen your tweets, your voice is so nice😭
@GUSplatoon
11 ай бұрын
🫢…why thank you!
@OctogonalLeonardo
11 ай бұрын
I can’t wait to get splash with trizooka-
@holyelephantmg8838
11 ай бұрын
Zorconic had gone up that route every single time they died that game, so the zooka user saw them respawn and decided they’d do it again, popped it and shot there after it had been enough time since they shot out
@GUSplatoon
11 ай бұрын
Who is Zarconix?
@holyelephantmg8838
11 ай бұрын
@@GUSplatoontypo
@slurples149
11 ай бұрын
okay but the guy in the twitter clip was going straight amidst into the fiight knowing damn well his team got pushed back... yeah i do think for the most part it's general skill issue aside from the lack of start up lag. Also why can't we band together to fix the actual worst special in the game reefslider. 1 year later and it still feels like an insta kill weapon on your end and rarely gets any value. I'm manifesting it gets some form of a buff and of course trizooka gets that lag nerf.
@rundas2141
11 ай бұрын
Well, when people with 2 brain cells are allowed to have twitter, those two brain cells get tired of fighting each other and expand to fight other people. In all seriousness, though, I honestly thought better of this community. I thought we were above this type of drama. And yet, people really did go out of their way to comment on Zoronic's video with such negativity. I hope that people learn from this and at the very least try to empathize with people instead of just doing the braindead "git gud" comments with extra steps.
@Aegisdex
11 ай бұрын
Literally just make tge exploshion radius match the ink splatter, you can keep the surprise factor one shot but seriously its really hard sometimes to dodge the radius on some maps without dying to the indirect due to having to deal with the other spam used like bombs and other specials. Its a little too big in a game where the maps are hallways and tetris blocks. Cooler is the only reason why people arent as mad like just like jet in my eyes. They both had problems but zooka rn being able to hit behind walls really hurts trying to hide from it
@GUSplatoon
11 ай бұрын
I love my Tacticooler drinks.
@ninjatintin9074
10 ай бұрын
but how do you counter it
@JDSTACKALOTT
10 ай бұрын
Learn splat dualies. They're in a good spot right now because it can punish bad zooka positioning using its fast and hard-to-read dodge rolls
@giganticmoon
11 ай бұрын
I think Zorc’s overreacting a bit, if Zooka just had some startup, nobody would be complaining.
@GUSplatoon
11 ай бұрын
I don’t Zorc overreacted. He posted & meme tweet & started getting hate over it. And also, who knows. I think we all find ways to complain. It’s Twitter.
@colby_247
11 ай бұрын
Change back the indirect to 40 damage. Problem solved. I mean that's the point of trizooka, there's no such special in splatoon 2. It's funny how this special is relevant again after the buff. The special in splatoon 3 already unbalance compare to splatoon 2. If they have to change not just trizooka also other weak special as well.
@GUSplatoon
11 ай бұрын
I don’t think we should tone it down to 40dmg.
@HeDronHeDronHedron
10 ай бұрын
no way you said splat 2 special balance was better than three
@taxespayup659
11 ай бұрын
FINALLY someone talking about it I came back to splatoon and all of a sudden trizookas can panic special and easily kill me even when I’m up close- and I have no way to dodge it 😭
@Kahmie
11 ай бұрын
There was no change to its first shot time or hit box size tho 💀
@taxespayup659
11 ай бұрын
@@Kahmie it’s the fact that the damage is so high and it NEVER misses anymore I can be below it and I still get hit- so people can barely touch me and i would still die
@HeDronHeDronHedron
11 ай бұрын
they never changed the damage@@taxespayup659
@asterglaceon
11 ай бұрын
Nice vid so far(I am a minute and a half in) thanks gus
@spoon4546
11 ай бұрын
Ive always been confused by the community when it comes to these complains. Ive always liked trizooka, play it a lot and was consistent w it before this buff (and after ofc). and i remember ppl's exact complain abt it before is that it was too inconsistent l! i feel like when the stamper was seeing a lot of use, people cried until it got nerfed, and now i dont see it a lot anymore, but then we also turn around to cry abt shooters when whenever a more niche weapon is good we demand its changed. with this supposed trizooka madness (i dont feel i die to it any more than before personally) i even see ppl saying they want the crab back when everyone hated it. Idk i never understand what people want lol
@GUSplatoon
11 ай бұрын
I think there is a difference between critiquing & complaining. At least in my videos, I critique. Like I said, I don’t want Zooka to be gutted. I actually enjoy the special but there are some aspects that should be toned down. Problems don’t become problems until we experience them.
@spoon4546
11 ай бұрын
@@GUSplatoon didn't mean to denounce your video as nothing but complaining, should have worded myself better sorry :) hopefully a nerf that leaves people satisfied and doesn't neuter the special is reached
@iznxai
11 ай бұрын
IM ON KZitem AGAIN :DDDDDDDDDDDDD
@Kahmie
11 ай бұрын
If the best players in the world are doing really well with trizooka, that does not necessarily mean that trizooka is good it just means the players are. We also didn’t get all riled up abt zooka being super good until it got a buff, but the one shot functions the same before and after the buff so we had to have at least slightly been underrating the special early on if it’s top top tier now. But I’d propose the idea that maybe we as a community and as the individuals that make it up don’t know as much as we think we do abt the game, and the notion that we know the meta when it’s literally changing and we’ve only had a year w the game, is a little funny to me. Especially when games like melee are still having the meta developed into its 22nd year of existence, and the players who were there during the first 8 years couldn’t even be competitive with the players now 🤷♂️.
@BluVapour
11 ай бұрын
We didn't "rile up" about Zooka back then because not only was the special weaker but because a lot of other specials in the game like missiles, crab, and inkjet were much stronger. Crab being a special that PLAGUED the game's meta for roughly 6 and a half months. Even Melee, a game with no patches had people agreeing that exploits like wobbling, Ness' weird hitbox issue, Kirby being unusable, etc. were problematic and were eventually banned. Tri Zooka became the monster it is now thanks to a combination of the small buffs that were given to the special overtime (60 damage indirect to help mitigate the hitbox issue it had) so I think we know a lot more about the game that we play than you do.
@colby_247
11 ай бұрын
Completely agree with you.
@Kahmie
11 ай бұрын
@@BluVapour We includes me, we play the same game 😂. Even based on the information you’ve provided, there is no real explanation for Zooka having just become insane this season. Crab has been under control for a while, we’ve been experimenting with cooler for a min to have it see great success, conceptually, without zooka being popular, and inkjet matches up to zooka very similarly still, with inkjet having the advantage with its air mobility, and zooka being ineffective unless you can skill diff the inkjet that hard. Now zooka can indirect two shot inkjet and everything else but that’s the only difference. It’s first shot does exactly the same thing it’s done from the beginning- fuck shit up- so if it’s this big of an issue than we as a community missed it from the beginning, and if we missed that, how do we know that there isn’t a heck of a lot more we’re still missing, when all other forms of competition are developed for years before they’re really understood?? Otherwise we’re overreacting to zooka; it’s first shot time could very well use a nerf and the special will still be good. I think as the token offensive special a quick first shot isn’t that bad, but if it needs to be nerfed then we already know that it doesn’t take but a small, often within the second, increase to its deploy time to deal with it. Zooka’s not crazy broken, we members of the splatoon community are just mentally ill and feel the need to KNOW something for our sanity, but it takes a very long time to truly know something and we’re still working on splatoon 3.
@Kahmie
11 ай бұрын
@@BluVapour Also wobbling wasn’t banned until like 18 yrs after the game came out; the point is whether or not something is too strong, too weak, or otherwise unbalanced, we humans don’t seem to get it very quickly, we’re preoccupied with our biases and it ends up taking a lot of word of mouth and a little generational evolution to really discover optimal strategies in competition. In a super modern video game with hard laws it’s gonna occur more quickly and on a smaller scale but basketball’s still evolving into year like 90-100 something and melee, a deeper mechanical experience, is into year 22. I’m trying to understand by playing the game and listening to others opinions, but I don’t just do one or the other. As an avid and passionate player of the game myself, I wish you well on your journey w the game too 🙏
@Kahmie
11 ай бұрын
@@BluVapour Also we probably think zooka’s the problem because of shot having no weaknesses as a main weapon including being able to farm zooka REAL FAST
@AgentThat
10 ай бұрын
Its got nerfed
@GUSplatoon
10 ай бұрын
Inserts *omg really? Gif*
@AgentThat
10 ай бұрын
@@GUSplatoon real
@m2wb2
11 ай бұрын
I'm an og hater cause of that start up 😭
@spl_jakey
11 ай бұрын
I left the tweet saying skill issue bc i believe that him going into an open area like that, where the slope compliments a zooka shot, when the enemy has their zooka (see on top of screen) is just an awareness issue. Feels unfair yeah but there is ways of preventing it
@daanrook
11 ай бұрын
The zooka player literally get zooka and immediately pops it and than fires it in like a few micro seconds to react and unlike fighting games you can see how people are on their special meter here you cant
@GUSplatoon
11 ай бұрын
Skill issue
@spl_jakey
11 ай бұрын
@@GUSplatoon w
@user-John1
5 ай бұрын
Few updates later, Nintendo still didn't really touch the special
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