I always assumed the accuracy was per opponent. I play 90% accuracy against 500 rated players and 70% accuracy against 1100 players.
@kesetokaiba
2 күн бұрын
Yeah, it isn't exaactly opponent-based, but higher rated opponents are more likely to find good moves and this makes it tougher for you to find good moves, so indirectly it is sort of true.
@Geelse_zot
4 күн бұрын
Good video to adress something that really needed to be discussed. I have seen lower rated players score 90% accuracy and think they played at GM level. It's all about how much pressure your opponent has against you. Magnus vs MVL at 80% accuracy is far better chess than Geelse_zot vs John Doe at 80% Titled players just put so much pressure on the position. They force me to play bad moves.
@kesetokaiba
4 күн бұрын
Thanks you. It was a needed video. I just had a 600 rated friend of mine show me a game where they had close to 100 percent accuracy and wanted to know if this was normal. It was. The opponent blundered on move 3.
@jaybingham3711
2 күн бұрын
The analysis includes an estimated rating level which takes into consideration the player's current rating. Not sure how anyone presumes they're at GM level when the estimated strength is staring them right in the face.
@vasilyborodin
2 күн бұрын
Б и .ю. ю
@cydonyn
2 күн бұрын
In a bullet game my opponent hung their bishop and I missed it for like 3 moves, after I took it they resigned, but our caps score was in the 20s and 30s lol. It was kind of funny.
@shadeburst
2 күн бұрын
I place little reliance on the accuracy and game rating stats. In order to improve I'm more interested in the numbers of brilliants (open the champagne), greats, bests, mistakes, misses and blunders, especially the last three! An opponent's game rating far above their ELO, and a consistent pattern of long pauses between moves; those are red flags to me. But there's nothing that can be done and I remind myself that chess is like golf. Every shot pleases somebody.
@kesetokaiba
2 күн бұрын
I actually enjoy playing golf a lot :)
@firesickle
3 күн бұрын
I feel like as long as I win I got 100% accuracy, I dont care if Im 300 elo
@kesetokaiba
2 күн бұрын
xD Reminds me of a coffee mug that says "It doesn't matter if you win...it matters if I win."
@firesickle
2 күн бұрын
@@kesetokaiba hahahaha.... exactly!
@AyrtonTwigg
Күн бұрын
I find it hard to believe that their cheat detection is the very best, when there was an account that was making every move in 0.2 seconds, and it didn't get banned for months!
@kesetokaiba
Күн бұрын
Sounds like someone experienced in bullet chess. If every move was that fast, it would be difficult to cheat since looking at an engine would take longer than that.
@AyrtonTwigg
Күн бұрын
@@kesetokaiba There are chess bots that can play moves instantly. No human can play a whole game in 0.2 seconds per move.
@kesetokaiba
9 сағат бұрын
@@AyrtonTwigg No chess.com moves happen instantly. Even premoves take 0.1 seconds. There are bullet players who move really quickly even without premoves. My reaction time for most moves is about 0.3 or 0.4 seconds, but it could be faster if they "hover" the pieces before moving, or especially if they premove, but if literally ever move was 0.2 seconds, then that would be suspicious.
@FloydMaxwell
2 күн бұрын
In fairness to Vladimir Kramnik's work, he is looking at large numbers of games for a given player, also the average rating of opponents and above all simply comparing players to Magnus/the best players. When unknown players are getting multiple CAPS scores like (or even above) the top player's score, it is safe to assume they are at least suspect.
@noobnoob98noob
Күн бұрын
Saw this point in comments and so i am going to summarize the idea. Accuracy is kind of a representation on how close you are to your opponent in skill in a specific game. It is also a how close you play to a computer, which is the closest thing we have to know what perfect chess is. Have a nice day!
@jaylenlenear3944
4 күн бұрын
I thought it was more or less understood that blunders/opening prep often leads to high accuracy and that doesn't make it wrong but going off one game is wrong. accuracy based off a bunch of games is way more just.
@kesetokaiba
4 күн бұрын
I'm sometimes surprised by common sense not being that common, but at least this one I can understand how CAPS could be misleading to people unfamiliar with it.
@nickkestler4848
3 сағат бұрын
Very informative! I(1200) played a 1600 and beat him with a 92% accuracy and I thought I was going to get reported and banned haha.
@futureanimator522
Сағат бұрын
Hey kaiba How are u doing? Haven't talked to u and ur brother in a while.. glad ur channel doing good Its me jay to Jay to jay
@PHeMoX
3 күн бұрын
It is NOT a metric that shows 'how well you actually did that game' though. Like, not at all. It is moreso a percentage score that shows how closely you followed theory / book moves and made the best moves _as a response_ . Because in reality you can have a 80-85% score in a deadlost game. It also overvalues the opportunity for a draw. The percentage score does not show let's say your probability towards a win. The percentage is _obviously_ heavily influenced by a bunch of best moves, but you only need one inaccuracy or one blunder that gets punished hard to end up in a totally losing game. As such, these percentages actually say nothing about how well you did. The actual moves, ie. did you blunder or not blunder are way more important here. The elo system itself judging only wins, draws and losses are waaaaaaaaaay better to show 'how well' someone does. It is also really a problem that many best moves are kind of 'easy' to find, versus some other opportunities are basically impossible to find for average to higher range players that are not GMs or super GMs. By the way, I very much doubt the accuracy rating takes into account a player's or an opponent's elo rating. It should 100% ignore it.
@kesetokaiba
3 күн бұрын
System isn't perfect, but I don't even know if this really a "percentage." Yup, it is out of 100, but I don't know if best move 10% of the time would actually give 10.0 CAPS. I think they skew the results to be higher than a certain number (30 perhaps?, which exception for zero Danny emoji).
@IvanBaAl961
2 күн бұрын
Accuracy depends on playstyle. So even average value doesn't tell that much per se. Lichess shows you quite a lot of various stats, although you don't have simple access to other players. I doubt their cheat detection is worse. I barely meet any suspicious players there.
@kesetokaiba
2 күн бұрын
Part of the reason could also be how small lichess is. It only has about 150,000 members compared to chess.com's over 100 million. Less people means less cheaters, but not necessarily due to cheat detection; it is size number of people.
@IvanBaAl961
2 күн бұрын
@@kesetokaiba Well, Lichess is a little more populated. It's over 100000 online players right now.
@asexualnonbinaryoterkinfem6236
22 сағат бұрын
The Elo Gate Keepers oppresed ya accuracy
@chadbishop-sr
12 сағат бұрын
How do I tag Kramnik on youtube?
@kesetokaiba
9 сағат бұрын
lol
@josefkaras7519
3 күн бұрын
really good explanaition. i have a feeling that even kramnik might be able to understand it if he saw this video...
@ТимофейЧерников-щ2х
3 күн бұрын
He obviously knows that already
@kesetokaiba
3 күн бұрын
lol I hope so.
@kesetokaiba
3 күн бұрын
@@ТимофейЧерников-щ2х Joking aside, Kramnik tried an aggregate of CAPS when accusing Hikaru of cheating in his famous blitz streak, but as staticians have shown: Hikaru's streak was impressive, but also essentially inevitable to happen eventually for someone of his level.
@PHeMoX
3 күн бұрын
Many of these statistics are a bit useless actually. For example, is a move really a brilliant move when the follow-up of the game does _not_ match the line that takes complete advantage of the brilliant move? In other words, someone played the brilliant move accidentally? This stuff happens all the freaking time and it shouldn't count as a brilliant move. More so as 'it had the potential to be a brilliant move', with only those moves following it up in the correct way truly being brilliant moves. The chess statistics are filled with problematic statistics like this one, unfortunately.
@kesetokaiba
3 күн бұрын
True. I've also seen really Brilliant ideas which engine only calls "best."
@jaybingham3711
2 күн бұрын
6:38 Wth? This is decidedly sub-1000 play. Did this opponent suffer a stroke during the game?
@kesetokaiba
2 күн бұрын
lol they didn't really have good options. That was the only legal move which doesn't walk into Ng3 with check.
@Shenzo_V_Star
4 күн бұрын
This illegally feels llike a GothamChess video
@kesetokaiba
4 күн бұрын
lol that's a compliment because of how much GothamChess does for the chess community, but I wasn't imitating him at all with this video. I think it is partly because he covered the cheating scandals that it feels similar.
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