To quote Bill Bruford: "No matter how many drums you have, one of them will always sound crap."
@8020drummer
3 жыл бұрын
[drummers start bringing a garbage can to every gig so none of their other "drums" sound like crap]
@JonnyJayJonson
3 жыл бұрын
@@8020drummer 🤣🤣🤣
@ElitexBrikz
3 жыл бұрын
The 80/20 Drummer that’s the most brilliant idea I’ve ever heard lol 😂 it would make even the worst tuned drum sound studio worthy 😅
@leocomerford
3 жыл бұрын
@@8020drummer I'm 80% sure that this is why rack toms exist in the first place.
@yuriselukoff
3 жыл бұрын
The 80/20 Drummer I wouldn’t underestimate a potential of a garbage can. Some cans out there could be pretty powerful.
@stephenclemmer4456
3 жыл бұрын
Rob Brown’s method has my kits singing! Straight ahead, practical, and quick. He’s a super cool human with a great channel.
@XoseGuitar
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. RB's method works every single time.
@paulknight6083
3 жыл бұрын
I use Robs method. Quick, easy, and you can do it in a noisy environment. Very important point. If you're on a house kit that sounds awful, with almost zero soundcheck, you can get this done quick.
@udkline
3 жыл бұрын
And to build off what Trey says, this works MUCH better the lower the drum is. It's pretty near perfect for floor toms in most sitches. Rack toms, less universally. Additionally heads past their prime generally need to be tuned a bit higher than fresh ones to have nice tone. IMHO
@paulknight6083
3 жыл бұрын
@Trey Harrell It's not a bass though Tuning to notes in my experience isn't really advisable as it limits you to a certain key straight away and tends to upset bass players, and make recording a nightmare. That's just my experience
@paulknight6083
3 жыл бұрын
@Trey Harrell Definitely all for pitch. I get ocd over it if i'm not careful, That's why Robs method appealed to me, a little fine tuning and i've never been happier with the sound of my kit.
@bradanderson1442
3 жыл бұрын
@@paulknight6083 exactly.. I too tune with Robs method and tweek a bit after.. My toms have never sounded better... And I no longer have "Fear of tuning".
@andrewkarp5067
3 жыл бұрын
I use Rob’s method for gigs and Rick’s method for recording. Those two vids were really helpful as drum tuning used to confound me a bit. If you’re at a gig where you’re using your own drums, you better be able to make tweaks quickly, because drums almost always start the sound check. I’ve played a lot of gigs outdoors in my day, on either drums or bass. If the weather is moist or cold, the tuning you did at home is going to be all over the place. The wood in a drum shell will expand or contract just like the bow in the neck of a bass... and your intonation is toast.
@only4crap
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a drum is the best channel for anything and everything drum-sound related
@gourdlord2112
3 жыл бұрын
Came here to say this exactly
@TurtleTurtlez
3 жыл бұрын
Vouch
@nursingschoolaid
3 жыл бұрын
I can also say that this is true ^
@brendonmasters
3 жыл бұрын
Drops sticks and walks away
@davidbcg286
3 жыл бұрын
I saw the title and was like “sounds like a drum?”
@Ian_P
3 жыл бұрын
Also, I tend to use Rob Brown's method. It's just quick and easy. From that foundation one can go audibly nuts with tuning; but Rob's method is the foundation. I will tap the shell now however for further tweaking of this process.
@biodigitaljazz1
3 жыл бұрын
You are now the top tuning video on youtube.
@josephcasile6314
3 жыл бұрын
Rob Brown's is great if you can't really hit the drums until show time, but in some lighting conditions it's difficult to tell if you the head is wrinkled or not. Also, I"ve found it works better if you do quarter turns rather than tighten all the way until wrinkles are gone on those first ones. Otherwise you might way overtighten one of the first ones and by the time you get to lug 6 or 8 the wrinkles are already gone. This is especially t rue on a house kit with heads that might be pretty beat. I've never missed with Rick Beato's method. In fact, if you use a towel to help you really press on the rim, you can get the batter to tension just with fingers. Then do the same with the reso and give them 1/8 of a turn or maybe 1/4 and your toms will sound great. I used Rob's for years, but for the last year I've used Rick's and I find it more effective, especially with beat heads.
@nachotenachote9174
3 жыл бұрын
I will try it, thanks!
@laotzu2u
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video! The only thing I would point out is that if you’re tapping the shell to get its fundamental pitch but you haven’t muffled both heads you’re actually going to hear the resonance of the unmuffled head, and not the note of the shell. For whatever it’s worth…
@andreswartzdrums
3 жыл бұрын
The Beato method gets closest to the type of sound I hear in my head, but to each their own. Thanks as always for awesome content.
@andreswartzdrums
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for telling me don’t know what I’d do without you. 😐
@010aray
3 жыл бұрын
*points Nate to the "sounds like a drum" channel*
@willderr1469
3 жыл бұрын
I prefer to tune the reso head first and then tune the batter head to the reso head. usually how i get the best results.
@thomashauge4798
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting, will try that out
@willderr1469
3 жыл бұрын
@@thomashauge4798 and when i say tune to the reso head what i mean is that i get the reso head in tune with itself, then the batter head will inevetibly need to be tuned again. I am not trying to match pitch or anything necessarily. once it sounds like its not so wobbly when im checking i know its pretty close. Really get my drums to "open up" that way.
@Clementinedrums
3 жыл бұрын
"Stay tuned!" I chuckled a bit there:D
@catfishmudflap
2 жыл бұрын
Very nice. I had to laugh when Rick said his batter head was 14 millimeters thick.
@theopinson3851
6 ай бұрын
To be fair “mil” is usually millimeters.
@djangowilsondrums3988
3 жыл бұрын
Love Rob's method, great for fast tuning. That being said I use hydraulics or g2s which are very forgiving
@smoked_paprika_recipes
2 жыл бұрын
I've used Rob Brown's method a lot. You need to have decent lighting so you can see the wrinkles and, like he said, don't over think it. I used the butt end of a stick to press in the center, which makes the wrinkles appear, then tighten until the wrinkles near the lug you're turning disappear. One thing I would mention is that skins and snare come into play with this also, where the frequency of the tom causes awful 'feedback' on the snare even though they are both tuned fine individually. In that case, you need to tune up a bit on the tom until the feedback is gone (or get a different snare). One last thing is tweaking your sound on the fly by tuning one lug up or down as needed, especially the snare. You can leave a drum key on the lug closest to you while you play and make adjustments quickly, just watch your hand so you don't punch into the key accidentally. :)
@chrisb3389
3 жыл бұрын
I use Rob's method as a starting point. That gets close, but then I tend to lower the pitch of the batter head bit from there, and make sure the reso is higher than the batter. Lastly, I'll even out the lugs on the batter. That tends to get my toms right in their sweet spot. I have a buddy that's a master of tuning drums. I don't think he's ever shared his method, but he has an absolute gift at it and can make any kit sound amazing.
@JirkaMichalik
3 жыл бұрын
0:38 "I just cannot make my kit sound good" - Look at the hats bro lol.
@mikepietrusko5775
3 жыл бұрын
Rick's tuning video is the best for toms imo, he clearly demonstrates how to seat a drum head properly and frankly his video changed the way I start tuning. It's helped a lot, and I've been playing for 30 years.
@gregturner8044
3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you showing all four. It gives me a much deeper thought process to work through as I relearn everything about being a true percussionist. Thanks.
@MrRezRising
Жыл бұрын
John Goode taught me and another guy in the Sam Ash in Margate, FL how to tune after hours in '96. He had just stopped by and told a great Terry Bozzio story re the new F.A.S.T. toms and showed me how to really tune. Great guy, MASTER salesman.
@JamieStrowhiro
3 жыл бұрын
Kenny Sharretts is the tuning wizard. I love his channel. He has by far the best info on drum tuning around. That being said, if you don't want to get super in the weeds, the Rob Brown method is wonderful in its simplicity. I If I'm not recording but just need a quick tom sound that just works I start with Rob's method.
@joeakaradej8666
2 жыл бұрын
Same with me 😁😁
@StinkyWizzleTits
3 жыл бұрын
Cool vid. My first drum teacher showed me a kinda cheat method for tuning your toms to notes before I had any ear for tuning. Get even tension on the skins and then hold them up to a keyboard speaker. I had a keyboard at the time. Mute one skin at a time and then play some notes on your keyboard. What ever note makes the skin resonate the loudest is the note the the skin is tuned to. You have to listen carefully. The keyboard will be load and the drum vibration soft. Tune accordingly. For 3 toms I used to like A, E, A for rock drums. Im lazy now so I just do it by ear and maybe better results. When I was starting out it was a great way to get a decent sound when I had no ear for tuning. Outside of a recording situation I've always thought that a good drummer can make anything sound good. Style dependent of course.
@InYourDreams-Andia
3 жыл бұрын
pretty cool!
@Drumaier
3 жыл бұрын
No that method is not advisable. Sorry. 🤷🏻♂️
@markdrum2392
3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that Rick's method is geared to Remo heads. Remo is the only company that still uses glue. The break in method is specific to that type of head. Both Evans and Aquarian use a different manufacturing technique and both tell you that you >don't< need to perform this step. Try "Sounds Like A Drum" next time. Cody does a very thorough job and showing the viewer great techniques for tuning their drums.
@jkranites
3 жыл бұрын
Weckl said when tuning toms. He turned them all the way up high to stretch the head top and bottom. Then detune both the top and bottom heads to the same pitch, and adjust as needed. Its worked for me, for almost any kit I've played on live or personal
@garydonnelly100
3 жыл бұрын
I've been doing that for decades. I think it was my teacher when I was in grade school that mentioned that. It's really one of the best ways to seat a new head. I will usually let them sit that way for a while, sometimes overnight but at least for about an hour minimum. But this is only after having finger tightened, tuning in a star pattern and making sure the head is in tune with itself the whole time as I continue to raise the pitch. And I only raise each tension rod a half turn each time. I found that using full turns really throws the even tensioning off. When backing the pitch back down after it's seated I take a cue from guitarists. I first go just a bit lower than where I want it and tune up to the pitch and I've heard guys like Weckl say the same thing. I don't know the physics behind it but the head has less chance of slipping down in pitch after you tune up to where you intend. I've tried other approaches even removing all of the hardware on my old Gretsch kit to find the note of the shell as John Good described in an old Modern Drummer interview. That was ok but I didn't care for the actual pitch distribution. On a 2 up 2 down configuration I ended up having to pitch the higher toms somewhat higher. But I found with that method that staying within about a minor third of the shell pitch was about the optimum. Beyond that the resonance tended to be reduced.
@jkranites
3 жыл бұрын
@@garydonnelly100 I'm not so sure on the note of the shell, I wish I was that good. However, when I'm tuning I sometimes do not know the exact sound I am looking for, because of how the sound hits a room. When I would get that right tone though it just feels and sounds right.
@XeRo333
3 жыл бұрын
Started tuning all my drums like Rob Brown does and I'm able to get all my toms tuned within 30-45 minutes...about 5 minutes on each drums. That's de-tuning, finger tightning, using the wrinkle technique on both heads. Where as before I was using the Tune-Bot to pitch tune my drums and it would take me close to half the day to tune all 6 drums. The Rob Brown method has saved me tons of time and my drums sound great! If I want to move the tuning I just go a quarter turn on both heads till I like the pitch of it. Rob Brown's method is the simplest and best method in my opinion! He's even made a video about why tuning toms to specific notes is a SILLY idea and it makes sense.
@cvealjr3811
3 жыл бұрын
Been rolling with John Good’s method circa 1999. It does take practice but years ago he did a video on wood types and sounds expected from those woods, cross tuning versus circle tuning, head choices and sounds, head tunings (match, Upper Hi - Bottom Lo and vice versa), and pair woods together to make the entire kit ‘sing’. Good was my authority on ‘drum sound’ while in college. Dude knows his stuff.
@swangonzalez4797
3 жыл бұрын
They all work. I use them all. Never tried the Reso lower. Never tried listening to the shell. I've found Dave Weckl's method effective ... heads minor 3rd apart ( lullaby ) works well on the Rack toms. With the floors sometimes it won't land on a minor 3rd apart, I just find a nice low tone where the bottom is always higher. Sometimes there is a compromise or your floors will sound too muddy. I also always go for intervals between the toms. It pays to know pitches by ear using a phone pitch tone generator app. Tuning close to notes and intervals really works. You don't have to choose just one method. You can combine them all. Experiment and see what works for you. They also work on old heads. Observations. Jarod's sounded best pitched in the middle...hey he did it in the Drumeo Studio. Rob's drums always sound kinda low and dead to me but that's his sound and room . Rick's demo sounded kinda high and tight. He likes the Bonham sound. i think he's into same pitched heads or close. John tunes DW's REALLY high. On the virge of choking but the DW's seem unchokable. His drum sound was the clearest. I use Rob's to get in the ball park. Then raise the pitch, fine tune the lugs. Get em a minor 3rd apart. And go for a call to Post interval between the toms. I wish i could say .... just tune everything by ear and the notes don't matter. But to me doing so only took a longer time tuning drums. Very frustrating. When I started tuning to notes and intervals it all began to make musical sense and my drums sounded a lot better. Dave rules! It worked on a PDP EZ series, a Sonor Force 2001 and a Yamaha PHX I have set up at home. Drum tuning can be as simple as you want or as complex as Voodoo. I prefer to learn some of that black magic. It's more rewarding to hear the drum sound good tuned, knowing you can can always do it again. Just do it the way you want. The best method is the one that works for you. Cheers
@P4Eight
Жыл бұрын
I love how dust blew out of your Tom when you pressed down on it lol.. thanks for the video, I've been tweaking my Toms for months now trying to get the right tones.
@Iamadrummer
3 жыл бұрын
I have seen all those videos when I got my new Pearl drums. You took a great approach in explaining them all and showing the difference. Your videos are always fun and I very often learn something, but I think this was one of your most informative videos.
@zacdrake
3 жыл бұрын
I like Rob's method for quickly getting a decent sound when replacing heads. But I recently saw a video(I think from Inde Drums) that brings up a great point about using 2 keys. So, I put a 5lb weight in the center of the head and then use Rob's wrinkle theory using 2 keys across from each other. Worked like a charm on a buddy's 1985 Swingstar kit with clear G2's. I'm going to see how it works on my Pearl SSC's when I change from UV-1's to UV-2's
@BeesWaxMinder
2 жыл бұрын
so, How’d it Work Out? Are you still using this method?
@zacdrake
2 жыл бұрын
@@BeesWaxMinder It works well to get a decent starting point. Depending on the drum, it may be all you need. I currently have one drum that appears to be slightly out of round. Every head I tried(4 Evans, 3 Remos) wants to kink a little at the same spot and it seems like the lugs at that point are more resistant to turning. I may resort to bearing edge trimming.
@BeesWaxMinder
2 жыл бұрын
@@zacdrake Thanks for replying! I shall certainly give it a go (for what it’s worth- IF that drum sounds good, then I would live with it’s wrinkle if I were you…)
@sydhamelin1265
3 жыл бұрын
I was taught to tune very similar to Rick Beato. I then saw the Rob Brown method and, while it doesn't get you tuned in as much as Beato, it's GREAT for when you're using a house kit.
@Tagger0325
3 жыл бұрын
Rob Brown. Quick ,simple, realistic If your at a gig and change a head or just want to retune. Get the wrinkles out , done . His snare and bass drum tuning videos are different then toms .
@XeRo333
2 жыл бұрын
Last I heard he's got a whole tuning playlist on his channel. I've used his methods on all my drums. Toms, bass, & snare and they work amazingly!!
@strumminfuel4625
2 жыл бұрын
I just got first acoustic set 3 months ago and I've been learning to tune them. It has been a journey, but I didn't stop until they sounded good-and dam it was worth it. Just takes determination and practice and my ears hear things I didn't 3 months ago.
@PeterVred
3 жыл бұрын
Rob’s is my favorite tuning method...2009 Gretsch Catalina Jazz. As he taught us, don’t even listen to them, just get the wrinkles out, and let them sing. His kick drum lesson is the best of all, no dampening needed. Vic Firth pillows are all gone, band members actually noticed the improvement. My bassist said the kick drum sounded like a CD.
@philipcullin983
3 жыл бұрын
Great video Nate. I have to cast another vote for Kenny Sharretts. I think you would enjoy his suggestions. As a drum tech he’s thorough, quick, and clear on drum tuning.
@kapildrums
3 жыл бұрын
Not to say that all of these guys don't know their craft but THE man on drum tuning on KZitem is Kenny Sharretts, All drummers who feel they suck at tuning (i AM one of them) should study his videos and his methods. The guy does this thing for a living btw, he is Lil' John Roberts tech, among many others!
@ccdrums1290
3 жыл бұрын
I have a 13x9 classic maple tom and have no problem tuning it because of its “odd size”. After many years of playing and tuning, I pretty much know where a drum’s sweet spot falls and I’ve quantified it through the use of a pitch pipe. For a good rock tuning that is open and powerful, a 13” tom emperor batter head sounds great around an F. I too tune the clear ambassador resonant head higher, about a whole step to a minor third. The drum sounds best there to my ears, not necessarily because it’s a minor third. That just happens to work out well most of the time. You can certainly tune it any way you want, but for me, getting the heads in tune with themselves to reduce weird overtones, and then having a complimentary relationship between top and bottom heads seems to be the ticket.
@jonatha_nbarron
3 жыл бұрын
This was such a great video. Thanks a lot. I'm surprised you didn't include Bob Gatzen's video - I remember his videos were what the whole of KZitem swore by a few years ago.
@johnweyers2685
3 жыл бұрын
I like the Rob Brown method and tweak from there. I use 3 rack Toms and 2 floor Toms. Med. low tuning open. The notes sing high to low beautifully. Also, Gretsch all the way. 😎
@Introspectiverider99
3 жыл бұрын
I did Rob brown’s advice. I like how simple it is and get my toms tuned nicely.
@krioni86sa
3 жыл бұрын
How?
@MeTuLHeD
3 жыл бұрын
Rob Brown's video is what I always point people to. I also recommend strongly that they buy a Drum Dial. While you should always attempt to tune by ear first, it's great to have a tool which can measure tympanic pressure at each lug. Of course, that's presuming your drum is in round and the bearing edges are level...not by any means a given. If the drum isn't true, then all bets are off.
@XeRo333
3 жыл бұрын
I too use Rob's tuning method and after I tune both heads I go back over them with a Tune-Bot to make sure both heads are at the same pitch, rather than just very close. This method works well, but if you are in a noisy envirement then I'd definitely try Rob's method with a DrumDial(I also have one of those too)
@ChurchOfTheHolyMho
3 жыл бұрын
It was excellent to watch someone who can tune drums perform the different methods popular on YT and show the results. Very helpful to someone who hasn't figured this out yet. Thanks!
@SteveCournane
2 жыл бұрын
Another great video. I admire how you dig so deeply and scientifically into drumming problems. The effect of the cranked up single ply resonant head with the Emperor skin on the batter did sound great. This idea (minus the exact minor third pitch I think) is something I have heard in relation to John Bonham (via Bonham's drum tech's video, and I think it reportedly came from the old big band players). As Rick Beato is a bit of an acknowledged authority on the Bonham 'sound' I am not surprised he does something similar. I have just never heard of it as working because of the difference in actual pitch between single ply and double ply heads. I wonder if the old calf skin players from the big band days perhaps had the same kind of difference in thickness between resonant and batter skins.
@MarianFD
3 жыл бұрын
Some time ago I got my first fresh new drum kit, and I went with Rob´s approach to get the drums somewhere near the final tuning, then I just modified slightly by ear until where I liked them. But Rob´s method got me 90% of the way there.
@ikp1222
3 жыл бұрын
I understand wanting to just use your own sensibilities to tune a drum, but man...I swear by the Tunebot. Its created tom sounds that I've spent MONTHS trying to figure out. Its a great tool for any drum.
@hillie47
3 жыл бұрын
I use it too, takes a lot of the guess work out. But you still have to make some choices in terms of pitch and relation between batter and reso. The app is quite helpful with that though. I found that, even with the minimal resonance/sustain selection, my toms still have a lengthy decay. Easy to fix with a bit of dampening material of course, or even detuning a single lug (which goes against the tunebot idea obviously), but it's a nice luxury to have.
@bishopoftroy
3 жыл бұрын
In real life drums have particularities so these all purpose methods will yield all purpose results. However, if you want to get YOUR tone you should first tune the reso to a relatively med-high tension and then on the batter side just tune hand-tight + half turn + experiment with the batter lugs (the most important part) until you like the tone. Of course, with a 5000$ kit every method should work fine but as most of us drum on basic kits i found this method to find the best tone.
@udkline
3 жыл бұрын
That's right. Bloody nice drums (like my friend's DW's) are super forgiving. He tells me it has a lot to do with the bearing edges being nicer, being easier to work with?
@legacyShredder1
3 жыл бұрын
@@udkline I bought a Tama Star just before the world shutdown happened, which was awful financially but I had all the time in the world to play them. They are super forgiving. On my old kit I was never happy with any given tuning, and I tried so many methods. On the new kit I pretty much love any tuning method, style, and pitch. I don't think it's any one specific reason the kit tunes and sounds better, but I'm sure it's cumulative of all the things that go into making a drum and it's hardware.
@legacyShredder1
3 жыл бұрын
@Trey Harrell Provided they don't interfere with the song.
@EXTRA300s
3 жыл бұрын
I have removed all the bottom sheets, and tightened the top sheets so that I think they sound good. I got rid of that hassle with two sheets 40 years ago. It is nice to see how many problems the two-sheet system causes. Nice video, really funny.
@dragonoftheblackpool6884
3 жыл бұрын
I do Rob Browns method. I SUCK at tuning drums. I've always found the process tedious and frustrating. Using his method put an end to that and my drums now sound awesome.
@XeRo333
3 жыл бұрын
Same!! I use the same tuning method after seeing Rob's video and it has saved me time and headaches & my drums sound great!!
@JirkaMichalik
3 жыл бұрын
14:30 14 mils damnit! Not milimeters!
@brianrader221
3 жыл бұрын
14 mm would be one thick ass drum head!!
@donkalil4853
2 жыл бұрын
I've used all of these techniques at one point or another, and for the "best" sound, I have to go with Rick Beato's method, which is also the way Todd Sucherman teaches how to tune.
@promark80-brianlenharth96
Жыл бұрын
I used a combination of rob and Rick's methods, worked really great. It made fine tuning super easy.
@B.Davis1
3 жыл бұрын
I feel the purpose of Rob’s tuning is to give you a good general area of tune. It’s for you to get it exactly where you want to after. Basically a good defined starting point
@citydrums7525
3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Rob Brown's down and dirty method has never let me down for it's simplicity and utility. You can use it in tight situations where you don't know the drums - say at a backyard jam, club or neighbor's garage - and whip them into listenable shape fast and in less than ideal conditions--like with a lot of background music/noise. Anything after that is sonic icing on the tuning cake...
@Hadrorex
3 жыл бұрын
I learned the technique Rob Brown uses from my junior high school band teacher back in 1968. And he was a clarinetist! It has served me well to this day.
@stefan1024
3 жыл бұрын
7:08 sounds to me like yours isn't lower, but actually about a 5th higher. (insert drummer joke here?)
@aspenshadow7920
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you holy shit I thought I was going insane
@breezyboy974
2 жыл бұрын
@@aspenshadow7920 me too
@ItsABOUTflamTIME
Жыл бұрын
The video is correct, you have to listen for the right overtone. When he hits the top head you can hear the "fundamental" of the drum very clearly, which is lower, but the "head pitch" we use when tuning is actually the next overtone up, the one left ringing longer, which is higher. It's the overtone you hear when you place the drum on the ground and completely dampen the "boom" of the drum.
@jonniejlo
2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Over the years and several teachers, I’ve used a hybrid of all of their approaches! I used robs method on the kick and floor. I find it wicked for larger diameter heads. Then I use the star pattern. Reso heads an octave higher for gigs and as equal as possible for recording. I really dig the John good approach to tone testing. Definitely putting that in my truck bag. Thank you for the awesome video.
@drumsandstix128
3 жыл бұрын
My tecnique is a mixture of Rick Beato and John Good, for me I like to know the basic note of the drum shell without a head on and work toward getting close to that with the heads. They then sing!
@chrisknowles64
3 жыл бұрын
Your analysis was great, as usual! It's funny, over the last few years, I have stumbled across all 4 of these videos. So it was interesting to see you referenced them. When changed all of my heads recently, I did stretch all of them before I put the rims back on and then after finger tightening them which then required more finger tightening 🙄🤣 One thing I noticed with my Evans EC2s was that trying to break the glue seal on the batters didn't really do anything. I assume that is no longer necessary, at least with those particular heads, but the stretching did give me that comforting popping sound 🙂 Beyond that, I have the bottoms slightly detuned to the top but haven't been thrilled with the result. After watching this, I may go back and try John Good's approach of tuning to the shell pitch although my drums are not DW 🤣 Thanks again for yet another piece of great content!
@mexicanmaggot666
3 жыл бұрын
One method I tried that worked wonderfully came from the channel Drummers Review, where the previous host of the show, Adam Nolly Getgood, showcases a tuning trick in which you can pitch-tune your toms by going a semitone lower than the desired pitch on the batter head and three semitones lower on the reso head. I tried it on a Mapex Mars and it sounded KILLER.
@krenwregget7667
3 жыл бұрын
the Rob Brown method ALWAYS works and gets you to a great sounding tone that you can tweak from there. Jared isn't someone I would take tuning advice from since none of the house kits on that channel sound the way i think they should.
@MichaelSoucy
3 жыл бұрын
Congrats on making a drum tuning video entertaining. I like Rob's method, then tuning the reso higher and making sure the pitch near each lug is reasonably close.
@BB.156
3 жыл бұрын
I was just tuning my toms yesterday and thought about these videos. Awesome.
@gabrielemartino2466
3 жыл бұрын
I use a mix of the John Good and Rob Brown method. Most reliable and repeatable way of getting at a good general-purpose drum sound in my opinion.
@kittywampusdrums4963
2 жыл бұрын
I've found that doing somersaults and saying the alphabet backwards while pressing down on edges whilst giving the lugs a 7/5 turn then tapping my foot and looking up and down while I blink gives the best result.
@Jono_
3 жыл бұрын
The Nolly tuning videos are definitely some of the best out there. Bob Gatzen also had a phenomenal series back in the day that has some really helpful tips and explanations.
@jamesconnors5653
3 жыл бұрын
TAMA Tension Watch is quick and sure. Instruction provides decent guide to relate top and bottom, tightens each lug based upon precise indication of surface tension. Works.
@martyknowles5526
3 жыл бұрын
Drum Dial. The thing works and it's amazingly simple.
@allenmitchell09
3 жыл бұрын
I invested in one and it got my drums sounding way better than I ever was able to by any other method. I will say that if you get every lug matched with the drum dial, you may want to come up or down with the tension to get the drum in the range that it sings. The drum dial will also point out bad bearing edges or warped hoops. In those two cases the drum dial may not yield good results. You can always use it to get you started and then tap around and match tones. I highly recommend it. It has made my drums sound professional every time.
@martyknowles5526
3 жыл бұрын
@@allenmitchell09 I agree, Allen. It gets the drum sounding really good in a short amount of time and then it's easier for me to tweak it. The best thing about it is if a drum sounds a little wonky all of a sudden, I just move the dial around the lugs and quickly figure out the problem.
@sasquatchpatch
3 жыл бұрын
This is going to change everything. Thank you for doing the leg work to collate some great approaches to tuning
@jharley15
3 жыл бұрын
Change your batter heads and spray a small bit of furniture polish on the inside/outside reso heads--wipe them off. For the drums shown here: Clear Ambassadors top--clear diplomats bottom.
@rabidwookie606
3 жыл бұрын
To be honest I've always had no problem tuning my toms ,until I went to a vintage set I'll leave unnamed. Struggled for years trying head combo's, drum dials and increments between the top and bottom head. Not until I watched that DW guy tap the shell and matched my reso with the shell tone. It worked for me. ...Peace and love "RINGO"...
@johnjuan6698
3 жыл бұрын
Is that a ludwig?😂
@Chiroman527
3 жыл бұрын
Dear 8/20 , Sorry to address you like that, but I can't find your name.... I'm a 69 yo, beginner /low intermediate recreational drummer. I'm retired and my wife , of all people , gifted me a Cheapo Gammon Drum kit in 2018. I have returned to this "love" after a 51 year hiatus. Played as a teenager in a garage band, that never left the garage. Disbanded in 1970. My kit consists of a 12 & 13 " Rack Toms with pole insertions off the Bass Drum, and 16 inch Floor Tom. I replaced all of the heads on all of the drums , settled on Evans G1 Clear batter heads and coated Reso heads. I replaced the Snare with a purchase of a slightly used DW Design Nickel over Brass 14 X 6.5 Snare (WOW factor immediately evident with Evans HD dry batter head ), added Paiste PST 7s and 8s (mixed em up), and now a pdp Maple Concept rack Tom as a Xmas gift. The new Tom came with Clear pdp (Remo) heads. It was tuned relatively high , producing almost a Bongo type sound. I retuned it down on both heads , really playing with it . Now it sounds more to my liking : that Doooo Dooo sound that Jared refers to. But Had to add 1 moongel to the batter head to knock off some of the Ringing resonance. GFor the past year, and I guess like all drummers , I seek that "right" sound from the drums. I tried Beato's , Jared's and Beatdown's methods. My vote for simplicity and not Overthinking -s Rob Brown's method with mods and slight tweaks. I will say as a Layman, there is a "technique" to this Tuning stuff. As a teenager, 51 years ago, I had no clue about tuning my drums... BTW, the set in 1966 purchased with pleading to my father, was to my recollection: for a Generic brand [Slingerland, Gretch, Roland, and Ludwig were the Biggies at that time] $100 with throne, 4 drum set (that's what we called them in those days.....Sets, not Kits), Hi hat , and 1 cymbal [I guess crash / ride]. So after 50 years , the Gammon Kit that my wife got me was about $390 with cymbals, Throne , 5 drums ..... That's pretty amazing considering all these years . Be well , Be safe in this continued Madness and Hibernation to All.
@InYourDreams-Andia
3 жыл бұрын
I have a pesky 13" about the size of your drum. Surprisingly difficult to get it tuned and sounding good! The last drum tuning you had was the best, by a long way I thought :)
@MrAndrewpederson
3 жыл бұрын
If you have an iPhone get iDrumTunePro. It's like $10 and the tools are amazing. There is one tool that will listen around the drum and tell you how far apart the tension is between lugs, one will tell you the difference in frequency between the top and resonant head, there are tutorials and documentation on tuning, etc. It makes tuning much easier for me when I get to a gig with a house kit or if my kit has been in a hot\cold trailer for a day or two.
@Imabassplayer2
3 жыл бұрын
If tried Jarred's and John's methods and I got ok to decent results. As much as I practiced tuning there was still something off about the drums tuning. Then I found Rob's video and it changed the game. Easy and fast and now my cheap ass drums sound way better. The other advantage of Rob's method is you don't need to hear the drum. You can tune in a loud environment or out side before a gig (If or when will be able to gig again) With the safety net of knowing your drums will sound good. If you want a higher tuning just turn each tension rod the same amount top and bottom. I use Rob's method all the time and it never fails. They are all great tuning videos and it what ever method that works for you. Its more about knowing your drums and applying the right method to make them sing.
@cryerdc
3 жыл бұрын
Tuning my toms today - this was super helpful. Also - extremely disappointed to learn it's not pronounced "Beat-o." And you used "heuristic" in a drum video. Instant subscribe.
@nathansibthorpe1288
Жыл бұрын
Great video man, even if just for the sake of comparing different tuning styles but also for looking at how they have similar intentions/outcomes
@mat4410
Жыл бұрын
I now own DW maple. The new Evans with 360 technology addresses many of the frustrations drummers face. They are ready to fly straight out of the box. New drums need a break in period before they really sing (glue loosens up, fibers mesh) , I can almost point to the day when mine came to life…just saying. I was classically taught to pitch the resonant head to the shell if you can and put the batter pitch to where you want it.
@fideldely5988
3 жыл бұрын
I always found that Bob gatzen video the bible of drum tuning ... And this compilation, a great resumed version
@stevenwilson9865
7 ай бұрын
Resonance head controls the amount of sustain/ring a drum has. Tighter than batter, lessens the sustain. Tuned same as batter will maximize your sustain. I've gotten the best results using Tune-Bot gig drum tuner. Also, their calculator/charts, along with KZitem videos. Have great suggestions on settings.. My drums sound noticably better
@gregchapman3519
3 жыл бұрын
Rob Browns method is the bomb. Use this all the time, ideal for quick head changes if you don't have hours to fiddle with tuning.
@boriss.861
3 жыл бұрын
Rick's method is musical along with John's method of the Reso head works along with the shell. Those waves need to move both heads together otherwise if the skins are out of phase and not in resonant frequency with the shell the sound is going to be unsatisfactory to some.
@cryptonios
3 жыл бұрын
i find that rob's method allong with a half or hole turn on the reso brings good results and maby a fine tuning lug by lug after that. alternatively i will hit the drum constantly and tune with my ears
@brendanmiller2759
3 жыл бұрын
I like Rick's method on pressing down on the rim while getting the lugs finger tightened. Think it gives the best starting off point.
@buckjohnson2836
3 жыл бұрын
I did this method recently with my bass drum and it worked really well. I have tried just about all these methods as well as following the drum tuning bible I am sure everyone is seeing. Robs is great for quick and dirty and I found on my yamaha tcm (new) that it worked really good. But, on my gretsch renown, not so much maybe due to the fact the tom's have less lugs than the Yamy. I use more of Beato's method on my gretsch kit and that seemed to be the trick. From what I can tell over the years with all the various kits I've had, you just need to figure out which method works the best. Also as we all know, each room is different and many times a drum that sounds great in one room can sound like shit in another so its all subjective. If I am 30 minutes before a gig and the sound check is crap, I go with Rob's method as its quick and gets it close enough. If I am prepping for a gig where I already know the room, I like to take my time and start with Rick's method.
@thomasmonson633
3 жыл бұрын
Rob Brown's method is great in situations where it's hard to hear and you don't have a lot of time. Like tuning a house kit during sound/line check
@Ryan98391
Жыл бұрын
I like Rob's method for floor tom and bass drum, especially bass drum. He likes to tune a bass drum where it doesn't need a bunch of stuff inside of it. I like Jared's method for high toms if you're in a hurry and Rick's method for high toms if you want a specific tuning.
@andyrobinson450
3 жыл бұрын
My preference for what seems like ever has been the 'finger tight, remove the wrinkles technique' - good video thanks
@stevenlee9259
3 жыл бұрын
I set my head's on the drum, push down until I hear that wonderful snap, and then use the star method for tuning the lugs. My reso is always a minor third above the batter head.
@socket3074
3 жыл бұрын
"My guess is you clickin' on this video cus your toms just aren't sounding good yet." Actually, YT algorithm got me here. Shoutout to the best L&M employee Oshawa ever had.
@BlazinPianoDrummer92
3 жыл бұрын
Dude that Scanners head explode edit!! I will smash that like button till my fingers bleed 😂😂😂
@8020drummer
3 жыл бұрын
Stock Drum just make sure you smash it an odd number of times 🤣
@retiredguy909
3 жыл бұрын
What about that AHA moment ...when the undesired overtones from those last two poorly-tensioned rods fade and the drum 'begins to sing'?! The head is suddenly very close to being in tune with itself and gives that clear sound we so want. The actual timbre of the drum is being heard. Not to sound like a know-it-all (I don't play professionally) but what about returning to the kit the next day only to hear the head(s) fell out of tune overnight? They stretched. The temperature changed. Or...you're a hard hitter and have a tension rod that doesn't hold. Retweaking a few minutes or hours later is actually normal especially after swapping for new heads or after having gone to a higher tuning than previously. Never thought of listening to the shell itself. Really good idea, John! Makes me wonder if most 16" floor toms like the B 1 range, 12" toms generally resonate around E 3, and 10"s at B 3---or some other similar pattern. THANKS for this one, Nate. Having the tuning tips all together in one place is classic.
@edhouse6657
3 жыл бұрын
Cool idea to explore...I had looked at all of these...but you really brought this together for me.
@MrDanmjack
2 жыл бұрын
It’s also a really good idea to make sure all screws inside the shell are tight. You can chase over tones all day long with skin tuning and never get them if even one screw is even slightly loose
@RandomlyDrumming
Жыл бұрын
+1 here for Rob's method. It made my life easier.
@weeschwee
3 жыл бұрын
It's important to note that not all brands use the same tension rods. I believe DW tension rods have a higher thread count, so each turn would be less tension than standard tension rods.
@zeichner42
3 жыл бұрын
I start with Rob Brown's method & then tweak the lugs to make sure the heads are in tune with themselves. But I inevitably end up having to tweak all of the toms to get the middle size to sound right with the high rack & floor toms. I guess I fall into the Sounds Like a Drum camp of "it depends." Not only are the drums resonating with each other, they are also affected by their placement in the room. What I hear is different from what a listener in front of the drums hears. Rob's method still makes the most sense to me, since it quickly gets me to a decent starting point. If I needed to quickly change a head in a noisy environment, that's the way to go.
@gdslick
3 жыл бұрын
good video, first time I've got through a tuning video without getting bored
@Destinydividedband
Жыл бұрын
I’m still laughing at the stay tuned pun lol.
@dinospumoni5611
3 жыл бұрын
7:13 on what planet is the reso head lower than the batter? It is multiple steps up in pitch (I'm hearing in the ballpark of a perfect fourth "here comes the bride"). I'm genuinely confused by that part. Which of our ears are broken?
@erikhamann
3 жыл бұрын
You are hearing the higher Overtones through the Camera audio recording. However for Tuning you need to listen to the fundamental pitch wich is much lower than the overtones.
@Icthi
3 жыл бұрын
I’m having this problem too. Think I’ve always had trouble discerning the fundamental pitch from the overtones. Anyone have links to ear training for drum tuning to try to fix this? After a couple dozen listens I still can’t hear the resonant as lower.
@cecilbrisley5185
3 жыл бұрын
@@Icthi Any ear training will do wonders unless you have the misfortune of being truly tone deaf. There is a built in biological component and there is a trainable skill component. The trainable part is the most powerful. Learning to sing on pitch - i do not mean beautiful singing, just humming will do but on pitch. Next learning to hear harmony then learning to "sing" that harmony on pitch. The last level to take it (not necessary but an interesting challenge) is to listen and hum along to pure tones. As your hum gets close to the pitch, you start to hear vibrations in the pitch. They will get faster until you hit the pitch spot on and they go away altogether - similar to how a metronome click seems to stop when you hit a drum perfectly in sync with it. Practice is what it takes. Once the skill is learned it never is totally lost just slowly fades a bit with time.
@shaftahoy
3 жыл бұрын
The reso is a perfect 4th higher than the batter, yes.
@frankfertier34
3 жыл бұрын
@@cecilbrisley5185 "As your hum gets close to the pitch, you start to hear vibrations in the pitch. They will get faster until you hit the pitch spot on " pretty sure we don't hum the same way: the waves get wider and wider when you get close to the epiphany. (50 years of actively tuning drums everyday)
@stevehelland6789
3 жыл бұрын
It all depends on what kind of sound you are going for...which, of course, is also why there are so many different kinds of heads to choose from. You just have to experiment and use what works for you. It also depends on whether you are close mic-ing/recording or playing purely acoustic gigs. Generally, tuning lower seems to work better for close mic-ing, and higher for acoustic or overhead/room mics.
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