Great looking product. Will need a couple years of competition to bring the price down. A bolt on motor like this at about $500 would be the game changer. At $2750 not many will want to convert and just buy a decent ebike instead.
@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
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@ilaripori6148
2 жыл бұрын
@@AMC-eq3jr ... :D:D:D hahahah.... sigh
@andrsz3119
2 жыл бұрын
@@AMC-eq3jr every dollar that you’ve put in that AMC stock back then now is worth $0.16, very good investment
@Matt-og5kd
2 жыл бұрын
no bro lmfao there is no "decent" stock ebike only those pussy ass 350w bosch carbon fiber for like 5k
@ChaosBW
2 жыл бұрын
For $2750 you can buy an entire E-bike For $2750 you can buy an ebike that looks like a motorcycle
@c2thew
3 жыл бұрын
Was all psyched for the idea of this until i saw the price tag: $2,750. That’s almost the cost of a surron which includes the bike instead of having to mod your own. Yeah there’s a weight difference but you get a pre-built kit vs a DIY
@geraldfisher6475
3 жыл бұрын
indeed, could buy all kinds of awesome e-bikes for that money...
@richardthibert3222
3 жыл бұрын
You will have the benefit to ride the trails with a $3k bash plate. Has you ride in rough terrain all you will think of, is not to hit the motor.
@c2thew
3 жыл бұрын
@@richardthibert3222 nah. Would rather go the bafang route or just straight up buy a surron. Why invest in one bike when you can own two which each has their own separate purposes?
@Oddman1980
3 жыл бұрын
You could buy a used gsxr600 for that money.
@Espen_Danielsen
3 жыл бұрын
I payed $4500 for my e-bike, including a very good bike and battery.... I would never consider this, not to mention that the motor is to powerful and it would have to be registered as a motorbike in Norway. That makes it useless as a MTB as motorbikes are not allowed to go off-road expect on approved tracks (very few around, and not made for MTBs)... For modifying a bike to a daily commuter motorbike on the other hand, this could be a good product.
@Rightlydividing-wx1xb
3 жыл бұрын
For about a thousand dollars a friend of mine converted his fat tire bike into a monster machine. I was almost terrified riding it at 49 mph, that was as fast as I dared to go. He even has a pouch with a fan and intake and exhaust ports to keep the battery cool during the summer heat. Essentially, 3,000 dollars is way too much for a conversion.
@haisss1
3 жыл бұрын
i have been running paradox kinetics on my bikes for 3 years and its crazy fun and reliable... and when you learn how to combine pedalling and throttle control, you will be riding like a pro!
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
🤜🤛 🤘🤘
@Carmelov2012
3 жыл бұрын
How much did yours cost
@haisss1
3 жыл бұрын
@@Carmelov2012 if i remember well, around 2500 euros . depends where you live and what tax... better to check the site. paradoxkinetics.com/hermes/
@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
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@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
@@Carmelov2012 A once in a lifetime opportunity for financial freedom. Just buy as much AMC stock as you can right now and see it go to 1000+. Join the AMC Worldwide movement to take out the Short Hedge funds. This is no pump, no brainer. I'm still holding since $10.
@dajerseyrat
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah let me make my bottom bracket 5" lower so I can get launched over the bars when it clips a rock or tree trunk. Also wouldn't the constant tourqe on the motor cause the mounts on the bash guard mounts to pull out of the frame?
@rdub-yah3880
3 жыл бұрын
I thought that the motor was low at first too but then i realised the motor sits higher than the bottom of the front chainring so you'd catch that first. Also if that motor deforms your bash guard mounts your frame is made from cheese or chinesium and you really should upgrade haha
@stevefox6753
3 жыл бұрын
Yup my thoughts exactly, you would leave the motor and bits of your frame on the first rock you went over
@KosmicHRTRacingTeam
3 жыл бұрын
Lol. The chainring is much lower, effectively protecting the motor.
@minners71
3 жыл бұрын
@@rdub-yah3880 Chinesium, I love it. :)
3 жыл бұрын
@@minners71 im stealing that CHINESIUM BRILLANT wish i i thought of it lmfao..!!!! wat about "chino fiber " stuff is awesome (when it shatters like fireworks lmfao !!
@user-yaakov-1964
2 жыл бұрын
The product is at the price of a new bike, there is no way in the world I would buy this product.
@neurowayne
3 жыл бұрын
Would be a perfect product if not cost almost 3k
@pamelaflirtyskunk7698
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed! The cost is definitely prohibitive!
@Zedlolmyster
3 жыл бұрын
Try the bbshd! I have one and it's great and much cheaper.
@Roostsandboost
3 жыл бұрын
Ok can you tell me where I can find a full suspension e bike for less than 3k?
@SIMONC256
3 жыл бұрын
cyc x1 pro, or cyc stealth, both have torque sensors much better than bafang , miles cheaper and better than this paradox
@supercharged2414
3 жыл бұрын
@@Roostsandboost M2S (mountain 2 sea)has one for $2200. Nice design. Or a 1500watt mid-motor for $3499.
@SpidermanFan92
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! I've been looking for a conversion kit and didn't love the idea of mounting the motor to my front wheel. Even the rear wheel design doesn't allow you to use the gears on the bike, it puts all the work on the engine.
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
👍👍 we've put a lot of work into making every aspect well thought out for mountain biking and otherwise
@freedomofmotion
2 жыл бұрын
You can put gears on rear hub motors, old school ones so 8 speed maybe 9 speed tops. I use 7 speed and 6 speed on a few of mine.
@patrykrudzinski4050
3 жыл бұрын
for over 2k just for the kit.... I still gonna pedal to work a wayy to expensive
@kght222
3 жыл бұрын
you don't want center drive anyway, because you would still be pedaling to work. even worse you would be pedaling home. center drive is great for the sport uses of ebikes and the exercize uses, but for commuting unless you want to pedal home or spend a whole bunch more money on a mid drive that works with a "throttle" it isn't as much of a commuting advantage as a rear hub motor.
@telocity
3 жыл бұрын
Well I paid $1600 for a radwagon electric and the amount I've saved on fuel cost, insurance, repair costs and registration has paid for the bike already in less than a year. Only issues I have are the same with all bikes, regular and electric. To much maintenance: tighten the spokes, true the wheel, adjust the brakes, fix the tires. Why? because everything is built from "make it lighter" thinking. So spokes are to light, brakes wear out way to fast, tires are to thin. But in spite of that, I'm not going back to driving a car unless absolutely necessary, because biking is the best way to travel.
@xmateinc
3 жыл бұрын
@@kght222 lol your in every ebike video trying to push throttled mopeds! People who want throttles don't acutally want to ride a bike. They want a moped they dont have to insure. Pedal assist is for those that like to ride but also lke the help on steep hills and bad weather.
@bormatnor
3 жыл бұрын
Considering how much I spend on gas in a month I'm thinking 20 minute commute instead of 10. I can do that. I'm thinking on it. 50.oo every 2 weeks the pay back would be quick.
@jasonnatoli6863
3 жыл бұрын
I have a bbshd on a fat tire bike. Heavy as all hell but is a BEAST. Bike and kit was under 2k. 35 mph max with a 50 mile range per charge.
@Tony_P
3 жыл бұрын
1. Your 12 speeed drivetrain is gonna LOVE 1500 W running through it lol. Looks like there's no shift sensor to cut power during shifts either. While you're throwing stupid amounts of money around , buy a ten pack of chains and cassettes ! BTW , 1500 watts is overkill. 1000 is excessive. 500 is enough for "normal" riding 2. Battery in a backpack is a pain in the ass. But better than bolting it to a bottle cage mount on a carbon frame designed to hold less than 1kg I guess. 3. Thats noisy AF. And way too expensive.
@CrazyStranger11
3 жыл бұрын
Greater than 750 watts is road-illegal in most states.
@FtanmoOfEtheirys
3 жыл бұрын
@@CrazyStranger11 mine is 1500 watts. as long as you aren't riding it like an idiot cops generally won't know or even care. As for OP saying 1500 watts is overkill, no its really not because I enjoy being able to go 40-50 mph when no one is around.
@kmemz
3 жыл бұрын
Based on what I'm seeing and the lack of pricing info on the website, I believe I'll stick to the BBSHD that I originally planned on for my upcoming eBike project, it's not that much heavier, it seems to have more torque, it tops out much faster, and you have a full infographic display of your choice that tells you how fast you're going, how much power it's using, what assist mode it's in, and more, among other things. A speedo is required by law for street eBiking as well, so that's a must given that I plan to use it for that purpose as well as trail and path riding. Overall, even the installation procedure for the BBSHD makes more sense to me than the whole "choose your hole" process that the dude had to explain, you stick it in, put the torque plate on, put lock nut on, position and tighten, put top nut on, reassemble crank arms, done.
@muzzaball
3 жыл бұрын
Didn't you see the discounted price of $2750?
@kmemz
3 жыл бұрын
@@muzzaball That is... *very* expensive compared to other DIY eBike kits, of both hub- and mid-drive type. Let's just say, at that price, you can get hubs rated for well over 5kW, and mid drive kits powerful enough to cost that much don't even seem to exist, unless you overdrive the very popular Bafeng BBSHD, which is known for being very able to handle way more than what it's rated to, and still doesn't cost near that much. I think I'm happy with my 500W hubkit, whole thing, battery included, cost about $925 after shipping, and it gets me around town as well as down biking trails, even has enough power to lose grip and kick out on me if I touch it wrong, which has thrown me off more times than I'd like to admit, especially on loose gravel. Based on the installatiom demonstration and the price, this kit is far from being easy enough to install compared to other mid-drives to justify its price.
@caseynicholson9190
3 жыл бұрын
You can tell these guys are really smart..Standing in the snow working on a bike. Genius!
@justinellis2936
3 жыл бұрын
When you're out on a ride and the battery dies does it disengage and just become a normal gear or are you fighting the motor to Pedal when there's no battery
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it disengages/freewheels, and has frictionless pedaling
@russlikely1137
2 жыл бұрын
Will it work on a 1999 Notia ti lifgtspeed full suspension bike titanium
@NBSTL68
3 жыл бұрын
That really drops the bottom height a lot. What happens when the unit gets bashed by a log or rock? Game over?
@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
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@popholmes5825
3 жыл бұрын
You have got to be kidding me $2,750 plus the cost of the bike to put it on. I can buy a good E-bike for the price of the kit alone.
@ManNomad
3 жыл бұрын
But this one will spin the rear wheel on ice.
@popholmes5825
3 жыл бұрын
@@ManNomad Yeah That is as stupid as the price.
@KoShuFW
3 жыл бұрын
I can see why it is what it is. Can you guys make just the housing to drop in bufang motor in? Also would be nice if it could be located inside the triangle... anyone try to put a motorcycle transmission on a bike? 😆
@takeitapart1moretime
3 жыл бұрын
Right that's crazy you can just buy a CHEETAH curser for the same money way over priced.
@coolhawk2003
3 жыл бұрын
What bike can you get for 2800 bucks thats good and its a real mountain bike
@TK-OK
3 жыл бұрын
Always scared of products that don’t list a MSRP “If ya gotta ask you can’t afford it “ but I’m happy with my BBSHD
@June4600
3 жыл бұрын
Just got a BBSHD for my mtb, just waiting for my battery. This motor looks good but I’m sure I can’t afford it lol
@kenreynolds1000
3 жыл бұрын
As a rule if they don’t list MSRP, I will not look any further. Sell me on the reason it is expensive, but don’t put me on another freakin mailing list with that “if ya gotta...” sales pitch.
@npickart
3 жыл бұрын
I decided to ask. And filled out their form. The reply I initially got was more towards my bikes and which one was my favorite. With absolutely no price of their kit. I had to send yet another reply asking specifically for the price. It really seemed like they didn't want to give me a price, otherwise it would have been included in my inquiry. That said, it is $2400 including their $200 holiday promotional discount and less their $100 installation assistance fee because I am able to do it myself. Seems a bit steep if you ask me. There are quite a few videos on KZitem showcasing absolutely nothing in regards to the specs of the motor kit. Only people riding downhill on bikes with it installed. Which shows me nothing all.
@kenreynolds1000
3 жыл бұрын
@@npickart Thanks for taking one for the team.👍. Ouch on the price. I could buy a good chunk of a separate e bike and keep my current ride as is.
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
@@kenreynolds1000 We have never had a mailing list, mass emailed people, and never will. If someone doesn't understand why its expensive on the face of the issue, then why would they look any further? It doesn't make sense. We do sell people on the reasons it is expensive, its light, high power, and made for MTB(tough). The lightest 1500W continuous mid-drive in the world. This info is all over our website.
@benpedro6099
Жыл бұрын
This looks great and would consider for about 700 euros! With all the discounts on at the moment, you can get a decent EMTB for the same price!
@Nemopowerhit
3 жыл бұрын
1$ per watt would be thinkable. This price is crazy
@slimpickinsworld
3 жыл бұрын
Just one question what happens when your shoe lace gets stuck in the spinning part?
@MikeFede
3 жыл бұрын
I would imagine the same thing that happens anytime your laces get caught up in the chainring. Lace snaps and you keep shredding 🤙🏽
@Centrikk
3 жыл бұрын
For that price they could at least put a cover on it lol.
@dertyberty
3 жыл бұрын
I had my trouser get caught in chainring 2 diffrent times. Need chain guards on mid drives, I think. as chain ring wont rotate back wards.
@ChristopherJones16
3 жыл бұрын
I watched a vi yesterday where a college engineer student built this and what he discovered in his tests was that the hub motors were a bit superior to his (drone motor) bike. It got good speed. I think he claimed it hit 42mph but the hub motor bike his friend had did slightly better on take off speed. I also heard those hub motors batteries get recharged when you pedal. Is this how this system's battery works too? Pedaling will charge the battery, or no?
@ronnbot
3 жыл бұрын
I convert my MTB with a hub motor kit but this is way simpler and lighter. Too bad it's much more expensive. That said, e-bikes are great. I logged more than 10,000km on mine.
@vmoutsop
3 жыл бұрын
Never @ almost $3000. That is insane. I see the housing and the motor and I say no way. I can appreciate the engineering and ingenuity but there is nothing there worth $3k. They are out of their minds. The company will not survive with those prices.
@michaelbrinks8089
3 жыл бұрын
Common sense 101, If a person can buy a brand new good quality motorcycle like a Honda NC750X for $8,000 there's no way in hell any Mountain bike or any 1500w e-bike should be near $7,000 unless it's made out of gold,platinum,etc......Yes a $7,000 MTN bike is going to be way better than a $250 Schwinn Boundary. But it's no where $6750 better, if people quit paying stupid high prices for name brand bikes. They'd be surprised how fast these $8,000 name brand bikes start selling for $2,000 and $3,000.
@danroose3813
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbrinks8089 I just bought a Magnum Summit and didn't have to deface my light weight Trek daily ride to get one, $2350 and it's ready to go, so far I absolutely love it as well as my classic carbon fiber Y Foil I can still use
@vmoutsop
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbrinks8089 - Amen to that, not exactly to the level I was taking it but still the same. If a whole bike costs $250-500, then why does any part cost more to upgrade? Also, to your point, since when are people stupid enough to pay more for a bike than a good used car or motorcycle. If people wake up and stop paying dumb prices, companies will adjust.
@michaelbrinks8089
3 жыл бұрын
@@danroose3813 That's pretty reasonable for an ebike if they used decent parts to build it.
@michaelbrinks8089
3 жыл бұрын
@@vmoutsop Like when you compare everything overall required to build a 2020 $8,500 Honda NC750X motorcycle VS an $8,500 MTN bike there's no way in hell any MTN bike should cost $5,000-$10,000...You need- #1 way more raw materials, much of it being aluminum alloy, chome molly steel,etc..#2 It's incredibly more complex to build. You need way more large very expensive tools/machinery to manufacture the parts and way more tools.#3 Needs way more factory space #4 Needs way more employees. The list goes on and on, yet there are still many people who lack common sense and think these bike companies have to charge $5,000 in order to turn a worthwhile profit.....A cheap Chinese 250cc dual sport motorcycle can be bought for $1,600... It's of low quality but simple to work on and with another $500-$1,000 in parts can be a really decent brand new motorcycle for $2,000 - $2,600
@stuartfederman8646
3 жыл бұрын
I am surprised that the evokes are functional in the winter how cold is out there. I heard as it gets colder the battery does not perform. Now you have to find a way to keep the battery insulated and warm. I live in Toronto Canada I am acceptable on all ebikes.
@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
Stuart Federman A once in a lifetime opportunity for financial freedom. Just buy as much AMC stock as you can right now and see it go to 1000+. Join the AMC Worldwide movement to take out the Short Hedge funds. This is no pump, no brainer. I'm still holding since $10.
@FlyingFun.
3 жыл бұрын
Please show the price and more details. Is this torque sensing ?
@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
nigelsheffield A once in a lifetime opportunity for financial freedom. Just buy as much AMC stock as you can right now and see it go to 1000+. Join the AMC Worldwide movement to take out the Short Hedge funds. This is no pump, no brainer. I'm still holding since $10.
@lemix69
3 жыл бұрын
Nice motor and kit, only problem is the price point $2,750, that's not counting what you've already paid to buy/build your mountain bike, that is pretty costly in my book, especially when you realize that you can buy an already built E-bike for $2,599.00, I'm talking about the Biktrix Juggernaut Ultra on Bolton E-bike's website and it has
@scotth5503
3 жыл бұрын
Except that Juggernaut with a 69° HT angle is really not meant for any type of aggressive trail riding.
@DA5NN6Y
3 жыл бұрын
I'd definitely consider getting this if it was about £750 cheaper.. maybe even £500 cheaper. Unfortunately I don't think it would be wise to spend more on a motor and battery than what my bike cost it's self 😂 cool product though! I'll be sure to check in when the sales are on 🤞😂
@sdevane75
2 жыл бұрын
Looked at this and then saw the cost ‐ ridiculous @3k. Would be better to buy an ebuke outright. Would consider it if was 500-750 but no way at 3ķ
@workgotcha9063
2 жыл бұрын
Can I put this on my old style 10 or 12 speed with 27" wheels? The bicycles that have curled handlebars
@billyboats1853
3 жыл бұрын
My brother who is handicapped would love one put on his three wheel bicycle so he could ride again..
@kyleo1236
3 жыл бұрын
Is it a throttle only kit or is there a pedal assist option? Does the battery that you wear have a quick disconnect if you wreck?
@gliciousmtb848
3 жыл бұрын
had the same questions man...and what’s the price?
@josephferazza7686
3 жыл бұрын
Like the concept and I'm sure the prices will come down. On a side note that looks to be a meadow park preserve. Might want to find another place to blast a new trail though. Or not.
@elgringoec
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you wouldn't want to break a blade of dead wild grass.
@keithtanner2806
3 жыл бұрын
@@elgringoec Unfortunately, bike tyres gouge especially on brittle or wet surfaces.
@elgringoec
3 жыл бұрын
@@keithtanner2806 Probably not as much as deer hooves.
@vaughanellis7866
3 жыл бұрын
The price of these United States starts at: $2,490 European Union including 24% VAT: €2,790 is still a very considered purchase.
@peglor
3 жыл бұрын
It would require you to tax an insure your bicycle as a motorbike if you fitted it in the EU though, unless you didn't use it on public roads at all.
@fredstone4159
3 жыл бұрын
Im really impressed it will spin the tire on ice.
@gregsmith1960
3 жыл бұрын
How fast till overheat for 250lb rider full throttle 100% time. 1500w continuous ain't 1500w continuous if it overheat fast I can take bbs02 bafang and make 1500w continuous but it heat up fast.
@johndecoteau629
3 жыл бұрын
lol, i'll just buy a motorcycle!
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
Different weight classes for different use: Moto / motocross: 110 kg Pedal trail bike: 13kg common factory eMTB: 21 kg Paradox with battery: 20 kg Paradox bike-only: 16 kg
@Area51ca
3 жыл бұрын
This is really cool stuff but almost 3K for this 1500w motor which is illegal for road use. Anything over 250watts becomes a motorized vehicle and must be not faster the 20 kmph. Also insured and the driver must be licensed. How do you address that issue?
@geraldshields9035
2 жыл бұрын
@Mike Fede It’s nice, but the price of the kit needs to go down considerably.
@vmao4868
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The CYC X1 Stealth is only about $840, but with no battery.
@JasonPepe5
3 жыл бұрын
So, is this actually a product available for purchase? Why is it so difficult to get pricing? Looks like a good product, but if I can't pricing info, or even the product itself, well...good luck...
@JasonPepe5
3 жыл бұрын
So the US distributor (Emtbnorth) got back to me with a price... $2750(with battery) + $60 shipping. I'll just keep pedaling for now. Seems a little pricey.
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
The price is on our website too, that one is for a lighter/smaller battery. paradoxkinetics.com/hermes EmtbNorth is indeed an official US Distributor. What other info could you not find aside from pricing? Its on our website which is linked in the description.
@urbancargobikes4930
3 жыл бұрын
Sweet! We install 1500 watt mid-drive motors on Phattycycles mini bikes. Wheelie machines!
@speedsweets67
3 жыл бұрын
1500 watts continuous? That would be illegal in Europe. Thats why all the other brands are limited to 250 watts continuous. Allthough I like the Idea, I am a bit puzzled by the price and the extra weight with no additional adaptations to the bike. Regular E-bikes come with a lot of reinforcements compared to the lightweight "Analog"bikes. Very interested in how long term experience will be.
@sokol7215
3 жыл бұрын
It's not illegal... You can't use it just in the traffic. As long you don't cut the poweroutcome down. Greetings from germany, the worst country for ebikes wuhuu 😂
@espenius91
3 жыл бұрын
Norway is even worse with ebike rules 😁
@speedsweets67
3 жыл бұрын
@@sokol7215 No you can't. Germany has very strct rules and legislation about it. 250 continous. point. In traffic this kind of bike would be prone to motorbike legislation. What you want to do in your own forrest is free, but not in road and public space usage. If you want to use it intraffic, one must follow a strict protocol to have it made road legal. This you must know.
@sokol7215
3 жыл бұрын
@@speedsweets67 i said exavtly the same. Learn to read. The term "illegal" is wrong. I'm from germany so i know whats going on.
@speedsweets67
3 жыл бұрын
@@sokol7215 If you want to play it that way; Learn to speak English.. "Poweroutcome" is not an english word. So. I had to guess what you meant. I was respectfull and wish to be treated the same way. If one does not cut the "poweroutcome", it will use 1500 watts. That's illegal in any sense. Germany, Netherlands our any western european country.
@rickdeckard9810
3 жыл бұрын
Although the motor and crank maybe for e-bikes the rest of the components on a regular bike weren't designed for the high torque of a 1,500W motor, for example the chain, the cassette, brake system all will wear out prematurely if not break and you'll end up spending more to repair. Do yourself a favor and get an e-bike with quality components, you'll save yourself a lot of headaches in the long run.
@klisurski
3 жыл бұрын
Cool but very expensive. For a lot less than its EU price I got an entire 140-150mm full-sus Voodoo (UK) ebike with Shimano E7000 system shipped to my house. It is the cheapest of all the 4 ebike I've owned and maybe the best(in my videos). I'm still looking for a small and low-power bolt-on motor for my kid's 16" mtb, so that she could keep up with us uphill. Not enough demand I guess.
@AnthonyIlstonJones
3 жыл бұрын
There's not going to be too much demand at that price, bear in mind you still have to factor in the cost of a battery pack and some sort of controller. Great idea, but not good value unfortunately.
@iAmCarlton
3 жыл бұрын
So this can be used as pedal assist or a throttle? But pedal assist is legal on trails and throttle is not? Can you just set it up as a legal EMTB with pedal assist only?
@Newyorkgardener585
3 жыл бұрын
Getting ariel 52 volt x class buy might buy this kit for my specialized mountain bike
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
Its sure to fit your MTB, and would be next-level for doing MTB things
@nattyroots767
3 жыл бұрын
You could get a complete e-bike for the price of this kit. But hey there is a sucker born every minute.
@elbarto7160
3 жыл бұрын
nice, but having the motor under the BB reduces the trail ability of the bike
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
and factory ebikes have the motor even lower! pic: imgur.com/a/T5hPHVB thats why we designed the Paradox motor to tuck up to the downtube, it 'hugs' it. So on most frames its infront of the BB. Added to that is the tough carbon shell, aluminum reinforced, and machined aircraft aluminum sideplates which can take massive drops, being 4mm thick each
@OvidiuCONEAC
2 жыл бұрын
Is it compatible with any ISCG mount? Thank you!
@johnchristopher5075
3 жыл бұрын
Another great idea, brilliantly executed then killed by the price tag. What a shame!
@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
John Christopher Just buy as much AMC stock as you can right now and see it go to 1000+. Join the AMC movement to take out the Short Hedge fund. This is a no brainer. I'm still holding since $10
@jameslakes2370
3 жыл бұрын
I have a oldschool izip ultra 3 its fun and convenient. I need to get a new rim and spokes . To get it back on the road.i made my own battery . To fit in the frame payed 200 for the bike. And it had a faulty battery. I took hoverboard batteries run them in series. 22ah total 36 volt
@J0nny61
3 жыл бұрын
Havent you lost all your ground clearance with this motor?
@MikeFede
3 жыл бұрын
Nope! Working on a video that’ll be out this coming week showing clearance with jumps and rock gardens
@AnthonyIlstonJones
3 жыл бұрын
@@MikeFede Jumps don't count as you're off the ground so clearance isn't an issue. Be interesting to see it over rocks though.....
@abhims32
3 жыл бұрын
With the fanny/back pack batteries? What happens if they catch fire?
@docink6175
3 жыл бұрын
it would be nice if they had prices you didnt need to give your information to get. I dont mountain bike but am looking for a quiet way around campgrounds at night, needing to get a "quote" tells me it probably costs more than my entire camping rig
@joshuaelliot2020
3 жыл бұрын
2 and a half grand.
@peglor
3 жыл бұрын
Standard data harvesting shitbag business practices unfortunately. This is apparently what qualifies as how to do business these days.
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
The prices are right on the product page on our website, and in a pinned comment at the top of this comment section. If your looking for to bike around a campground this may not be for you. @peglor - the quote form doesnt even require a name! only require 2 things for quotes: email and country, everything else is optional. KZitem probably collected more data on us in the time it takes to watch and comment on this video.
@steidwoodland8210
3 жыл бұрын
It's very cool and I really really want one but it's far out of my price range. I build entire MTB/BMX hybrid ebikes for about the cost of that kit. I use 48V hub motors (1000W - 2000W) I usually build a new bike every year. I don't necessarily use cheap parts either. I use my bikes for every day transport. They're built to be reliable.
@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
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@tommeytommey2742
3 жыл бұрын
New Year's eve and im looking for a project. Motorcycle is full of farkles, time to work on mountain bike. Great video!
@MikeFede
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Happy new year 🎊 🤘🏽
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah Tommey!! 🤙🤙🤙🤙
@baxbanny7732
2 жыл бұрын
Love it! Very satisfied!
@Rileys_dad
3 жыл бұрын
Now I know what I will be doing with my mountain bikes. Thank you Mike Fede sir.
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
Give them new life💪
@rogue0192
3 жыл бұрын
how's riley?
@davidanderson8489
Жыл бұрын
How much is it and shipping and handling does battery come with it
@xpndblhero5170
3 жыл бұрын
This motor sounds like it's got serious power.... I am curious about the voltage of the battery, top speed and torque rating. Nice build Mike... You are going to love this compared to the Ariel, I can already tell. 😁
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
Mikes build is 👌 Voltage: 48V Top speed (no pedalling): 28mph Torque at crank: 110 Nm
@xpndblhero5170
3 жыл бұрын
@@ParadoxKinetics - So that's like 20 or 25 ft pounds or something¿?
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
@@xpndblhero5170 110 Nm / 81 ft-lbs The regular 750W Factory e-mountain bikes are between 50 - 80 Nm. Going much over 110 Nm, and MTB chains, cassettes, freewheels, etc, start breaking
@xpndblhero5170
3 жыл бұрын
@@ParadoxKinetics - Yeah, I'm familiar w/ that probably w/ my mx650 w/ a 2000w motor.... The number 25 chain broke almost instantly. LMAO
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
@@xpndblhero5170 F Its a tricky thing to be pushing the limit for years, with out braking anything
@HatWearingDog
2 жыл бұрын
For $2000 less, i think 1000’s of would be e-bike customers would purchase this instead. It’s a really creative, unique solution that allows riders to keep the bike they love. That price tag just makes this a non-option for a big portion of the small e-bike consumer pool. Fuck, I could get a nice moped for that kind of money.
@urg0nnah8me
3 жыл бұрын
I have the exact same bike as you, even the color scheme. I'm curious to know how this motor placement will affect bottoming out? Have you tried climbing anything chunky with this? Pedal strikes wouldn't really be a concern with the throttle, but slamming that gorgeous motor against the jagged rocks out here would make me cry.
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah its always scary to ride any new MTB or eMTB system, but that's what they're built for. Thats true what you say about pedal strikes, few realize what a problem this is when you only have pedal assist and need to climb. On most frames the motor sits higher, even on this frame it sits higher than factory eMTBs. The case is aluminum reinforced carbon sheet and the side plates are 4mm thick machined aircraft aluminum so nothing is going to stop it working. We offering a new skid plate for keeping it pretty
@MikeFede
3 жыл бұрын
That’s sick!! I plan to put on the wireless eagle shifter and dropper to clean up the front end soon. I haven’t tried any chunky climbs with rocks or anything yet but I will be taking it out this week. I’m going to see the clearance on drops too. I’ll be mounting a camera on my down tube looking at it. 🤘🏽
@rpiian
3 жыл бұрын
Around here in VT I'm always bashing my chainring and bottom bracket off stuff. I feel like that motor would be trashed in a heartbeat... At least on my bike.
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
@@rpiian why dont we try it in the spring? If you want to go for a ride, I'll follow. In the meantime I'll around Mount Snow at the end of Jan for some FS fatbiking - maybe some toughness testing can be made of that. What do you say?? The kit comes with effectively a bashguard, and skid plates can easily be added to fully protect the motor. On most bikes this motor sits several inches higher than the motors on factory e-mountain bikes, that have less sturdy cases, and very expensive frames that would have to be replaced if dented. Frames dent much more easily, and our system could be transfered to the next mountain bike in the garage, or a used frame could be bought at very low cost to a new replacement factory e-MTB frame, where the motor battery and frame are not compatible with anything that doesnt come from the manufacturer.
@rpiian
3 жыл бұрын
@@ParadoxKinetics I'd be down, though my free time is usually lunch on a weekday... :P The more I think about it though, I'm not sure what the policy is on e-bikes around here. There's some approved places like Bolton Valley (actually would be a great test - that place is insane) but where I ride I haven't heard one way or the other. Maybe don't ask don't tell...
@siriosstar4789
3 жыл бұрын
What's the torque rating in Nms ? For 3000€ i can buy a Cube or haibike with a bosch cx motor with 85 Nm fully assembled and with massive service network . Components are shimano mid range which have been proven to be as good as their high end components including four piston brakes and 500 watt bosch battery . in other words why bother with a kit when you can get the most reliable motor ( bosch) on the market for the same price .
@ianmangham4570
3 жыл бұрын
Ouch! Way too expensive for me, I'll stick with the 200 bucks hub motors 😄
@blutooth6348
3 жыл бұрын
Where can I buy a hub motor for $200
@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
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@ianmangham4570
3 жыл бұрын
@@AMC-eq3jr Hell no, I prefer to be poor.
@stuartfederman8646
3 жыл бұрын
Can a typical mountain bike be used for these powerful motors and batteries. I see that a well suspension wide tire solid frame worth I say 3000.00 us
@marshalllhiepler
3 жыл бұрын
Aside from the hype ... my opinion is that this product package is priced at roughly 200% of its actual material value.
@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
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@tedd7028
3 жыл бұрын
I built a Fuse Fattie6 Bafang 48V fatbike. It rips, but is not top quality engineering and the torque is hard on the frame.
@stereos182
3 жыл бұрын
I might actually do this
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
tenor.com/view/michaelscott-wink-yes-gif-5795910
@stereos182
3 жыл бұрын
@Matt Nass why so salty?
@briancarter3704
3 жыл бұрын
@@stereos182 these 2 guys must remind him how lonely he is
@demarismontgomery6576
2 жыл бұрын
How long does it take to charge
@patdoomsayer9185
3 жыл бұрын
I would like to get one of those cause I like riding my bmx but for the snow this will do it
@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
pat doomsayer Got financial problems? Just buy as much AMC stock as you can right now. and see it go to 1000+. Join the AMC movement to take out the Short Hedge fund. This is no pump, no brainer. I'm still holding since $10.
@mickvonbornemann3824
3 жыл бұрын
The trouble with any ebike over about 400w is that the gearing is a compromise between what the motor requires & what the peddler requires. With a single driveline at that sort of power, all the peddling does is flick a switch on the motor, it adds nothing to the power. Really to do this properly one needs 2 drive lines, one on each side. The drive for the peddler will need gearing for both when the the motor is running & the battery is flat meany a really wide range. Where as on the other side one just needs 3 really low gears so the motor really revs, well unless it’s geared down significantly already. They like that. So a take off, intermediate & drive, plus maybe a overdrive for high speed cruising speed.
@LifeWithStiel
3 жыл бұрын
$2,690 and it only goes 28mph? no thanks! I would rather buy a Surron
@everythingjackstech9995
3 жыл бұрын
Buy a bafang bbshd they are £920 for a 1600w (peek) for the complete kit and they run quieter and smoother than that £3000 motor the bafang also has 160nm of torque standard and I got mine up to a impressive 49mph so in my opinion mate it’s a cool option it also spins up to 15,000rpms and even when I Rev it high and take it for speed runs and long rides the motor is still at a good temperature. It’s just a very underrated motor. 😎👍🏻👍🏻
@KoShuFW
3 жыл бұрын
Just did my conversion with bbshd... clocked 26mph on first run... heavy fat tire bike and 200+ lb rider... entire setup under $1700 including the bike. And i think i could have done it $300 cheaper with another motor which was unavailable at the time...
@davidmiller4758
Жыл бұрын
yea its a sick motor but for a grand without the battery you better have some spare change to buy more parts. other than that its definitely a sick piece of kit. and low key as well while most mid drives are pretty obnoxious looking and stick out like a sore thumb. this and the cyc photon and cyc stealth are imo the best mid drive motors all around, thats just as all round though and not in one cateogory like top speed or most torque. they are powereful though and each can get you to 40 mph easy peasy and get my recomendation IF| you have spare change to drop
@billclub682
3 жыл бұрын
Can this work on a bmx? Mike please make this work on a bmx🙏🏻.
@Jaffa49
3 жыл бұрын
would love to see a vid on this if its possible!
@MikeFede
3 жыл бұрын
There is a strong possibility of this. Be on the lookout😉
@sambananas4513
3 жыл бұрын
I use a BBSHD 1500 watts on an old DEAN DH MBT, dead quiet, I sneak up on deer and turkey. BBSHD is heavy though.
@michaelhughes3302
3 жыл бұрын
Paradox: A statement that, despite apparently valid reasoning from true premises, leads to a seemingly self contradictory or logically unacceptable conclusion. Kinda like trying to convince people to spend thousands of dollars pitching your product while standing in some random parking lot in the middle of winter! Not what you'd call confidence inspiring.
@kinn1647
3 жыл бұрын
Look on the motor designers face when you say “Cant make noise in the house cause shes at working home today” 😱 looks cold. And want one⚡️⚡️ 👍👍
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
⚡⚡🤘🤘🤘🤘
@kinn1647
3 жыл бұрын
@@ParadoxKinetics please can i have one of you old ones my bikes 30 year old 🇱🇷USA made i don’t mind old battered check it out its on my channel. I’m from UK, want to do camping videos this summer need ebike cant afford would be a massive help thanks for reply too👍👍🖖🖖
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
@@kinn1647 very cool bike, coyote to hardtail!!! vintage. I wish I had used motors around to sell at lower prices, but we dont even have a single loose screw lying around these days. we're taking orders for june now... If you do make a video and it goes even partly as well as Mike Fede's then we will refund the whole kit.
@JustVictor72
3 жыл бұрын
awesome would be an understatement!!
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
🔥🔥🔥
@ds6224
3 жыл бұрын
The motor sitting below the bottom bracket on a bike meant to go off road is a bad idea. First time you hit a rock or log, that motor housing will be toast and you'll go over the bars.
@MTBLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
This is so sick! I definitely need to get one of these.
@JustinTwilley
3 жыл бұрын
How much are they though?
@MTBLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
@@JustinTwilley I’m not sure how much, but I’m getting one. 🤙🏻
@JustinTwilley
3 жыл бұрын
@@MTBLifestyle must be nice lmao
@MTBLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
@@JustinTwilley It is brotha 🤙🏻
@briancarter3704
3 жыл бұрын
@Matt Nass u must be a joy to be around, I bet u have loads of friends with that wonderful personality
@Sherlockohms303
2 жыл бұрын
I have ebike someone popped tire wrecked into fence and took off I loaded tried to take back he ran again I have at home gonna fix soon everything works except wheel and one broken spoke on rim. battery is $400 on ebay.
@shaw_xo
3 жыл бұрын
This is pretty cool
@spikeybaby1735
3 жыл бұрын
looks f*%kin freezing to me
@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
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@Sputz3
2 жыл бұрын
It’s crazy how Bafang mid drive came and wrecked shop right after this video.
@wadejackson4067
3 жыл бұрын
This is so sick!! I will spec one for my canyon.
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
Just say the word (to info@paradoxkinetics.com ;)
@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
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@macbook802
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like he's talking with an Elon musk accent because he feels like that's how to become successful
@samuelrojas79
3 жыл бұрын
How much??
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
You mentioned you are in the Philippines, can you send an email with your post code? info@paradoxkinetics.com
@hamishmoar6355
3 жыл бұрын
@@ParadoxKinetics price and where can I buy one from. Need one for the Scottish hills 🤙🏼
@AdaptivePhenix
3 жыл бұрын
Stupid pricing and these guys always state "aircraft grade aluminum" 😂🤣😂 Give me a break 👎👎
@ammerudgrenda
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly my thinking too.
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
The motor side plates are 7075 Aluminum which can't be used to make bike frames because it can't be welded. Only machined. We make these in EU, while 99% of conversions are made in asia.
@videosforcatsanddogs214
3 жыл бұрын
I would prefer a bike with the CYC x1 pro. Up to 6kw is fine apparently.
@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
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@gsparkman
3 жыл бұрын
Hardly an "e-bike killer." More like an "e-bike maker." Headline is a "Huh?"
@panzerwolf494
2 жыл бұрын
The best part about this is there were already mid drive motors out there when this video was made that retail at 600 and hub drives that go for 200.
@RidingWheelies
3 жыл бұрын
Power wheelies!? I need one of those for my bike.
@albertoluna8717
5 ай бұрын
Where can I get it? I’m in LA Thanks
@KetansaCreatesArt
3 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there "Bolton E-bike" 🤓
@CaliVapor
3 жыл бұрын
this is the ideal set up for a real e-bike. Having the weight in the backpack and the lower middle of the frame allows for the bike to have the same unsprung weight in the wheels as it did before. The torque isn’t there in this model or they are using it at a throttled mode. How many Nm? What kind of motor is it?
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
True, also this way the battery weight can be used to help launch off a jump, instead of the battery making it harder to launch off a jump if it was on the frame. Some people prefer frame mount too, and there are frame-mount batteries available. This motor is 110 Nm, much more than that and chains/hubs start breaking when riding proper MTB.
@npickart
3 жыл бұрын
"Any mountain bike " as long as it has the ISCG mount. You are being a bit misleading and misinforming your audience as to the fitment of the kit.
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
ISCG is not required, we mount to no-ISCG bikes all the time, just because the bracket has slots for it, doesn't mean you have to use them. Why do you keep making things up all over the comments here? wrong numbers, wrong specs, criticism Nate P has been commenting all false info up and down this comment section. I dont know, but its probably not a coincidence everything he writes about Paradox is falso or misleading.
@npickart
3 жыл бұрын
@@ParadoxKinetics but without the mount what is to keep the motors torque from pulling the entire motor downwards? Because the motor spins clockwise, pulling it downwards.
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
@@npickart the torque pushes the motor upwards. Look at it again. we are a small business/manufacturer. The only ones making mid-drives to fit any bike outside of asia. Why are you going posting lies and making things up all over this comment section? After lying in an email to us first - im sorry I didnt cut to the chase faster, i responded to your email in a rush and, i've been tight for time, I dont get it, why? you work for a competitor? If want more info on how it works, just ask me.i dont get it. I'll paste my response to the price quoting system here so you see it all in one place: A 20-country/currency multi-language international eCommerce website would cost a fortune build an maintain. As for just listing the price, each country has - not just different shipping costs - each country has different import taxes, battery availability(batteries can't be shipped normally by air), sales taxes (vary from 0% to 24%!!), etc etc. THEN customers get even more mad when another country is getting a lower price, because the costomers country charges an insane 22 - 24% sales tax! Bafang (BBSHD) is a large company, like all companies in China, they have had, or have the insurance of getting heaps of no-interest loans from the 'the govt'/CCP who also devalue chinese currency which benefits them. IBBSHD may work on pavement/smooth trails/ light trails but If you hit a rock at speed on that low hanging motor case, it will crack, cast metal is brittle. Thats why we use machined metal. There are a few others, but for that reason alone, BBSHD is not MTB.
@sharkykzn5846
3 жыл бұрын
So all that torque will now be channeled through conventional MTB drive components, like freebody, wheel components etc, quietly shortening their mean-time-to-failure.
@EverythingMTB1
3 жыл бұрын
I love mtb content. That looks really sick
@ParadoxKinetics
3 жыл бұрын
More Mike, moar!!
@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
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@NoodlesTBograt
3 жыл бұрын
Second hand Cube hardtail £300 1500W hub motor and 52v battery £800 will do 40 mph for way less than half the price
@AlexT-md9df
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the first jump I’d completely case my bottom bracket and my motor with it lol
@MikeFede
3 жыл бұрын
I will have a video all about clearance on jumps and rocks soon. 🤘🏽
@SIMONC256
3 жыл бұрын
cyc x1 pro is cheaper and more power, has torque sensor for pedal assist, can go to 5000w
@AMC-eq3jr
3 жыл бұрын
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