Thx JB! You helped me turn shaping the top a few years back. Nice video and a good reminder.
@jeffscott7223
11 ай бұрын
I do love his skiing. Great example of high quality short turns.
@godin8262
7 жыл бұрын
Some nice turn! Jonathan.
@TheGpatters888
6 жыл бұрын
Was just wondering when we can expect more in this series. As in "First in a series of short videos on turn shape". (Yeah, some of us subscribers can be a pita. Then again, wouldn't be if it wasn't such good info. :-))
@JonathanBallou
6 жыл бұрын
TheGpatters888 Great question, and apologies for not following through. I’ll work on the next segments over the next month. Thanks for the reminder!
@TheGpatters888
6 жыл бұрын
Look forward to seeing whatever you post. If it is possible, would really like to see turn shape in short turns. In the vid above it looks like your track width is about two body lengths (4m?). The short turn track width in the video "Jonathan Ballou - JF Beaulieu - Sunny Verreault Rookie Training August 5, 2015" posted a couple of years ago looks much narrower and appear to have more abrupt change of ski direction. Then again snow conditions on that vid appear very soft which no doubt had an effect.
@JonathanBallou
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, most of the video that you are referring to was shot off-piste and in inconsistent snow. as you imply, a short turn radius is often desirable in those conditions.
@sucapizda
4 жыл бұрын
Wondering what skis you were using. Particularly how wide they are under foot, and turn radius.
@JonathanBallou
4 жыл бұрын
For this video, 2017 Blizzard WRC. 182cm long, 71mm waist and 20m radius. The current WRC, which is significantly improved, is 68mm under foot. I ski that in a 180, which has a 18.5m radius.
@TheGpatters888
7 жыл бұрын
Yep, nice turns. Question: What do you mean - skis move forward at the transition? Forward of what?
@JonathanBallou
7 жыл бұрын
Good questions @theGpatters888, What I men is that the skis continue to travel in the same/similar direction as they change edge, the weight shifts, and the new outside ski is engaged (transition). Often, skiers will redirect the skis at at this point instead of being patient and allowing a platform to be created prior to redirection. Please le the know if yo would like me to expand on that.
@TheGpatters888
7 жыл бұрын
Ok, I know what you mean now. Yes, many skiers use the transition to over-rotate the skis (mostly with upper body rotation thrown into the mix) so the skis are then quite sideways to the previous direction of motion so they are sliding across the snow. They then have to work to regain grip and are not going to make a nice rounded turn shape. With that type of snow and that type of turn, after transition how much are you steering the ski through rotation of the leg in the hip socket?
@JonathanBallou
7 жыл бұрын
Good question, as little active leg rotation as possible. Some will be needed to aim the ski, but as the ski engages, it controls turning more than rooting the leg. The leg will be turned by the ski through much of the turn.
@TheGpatters888
7 жыл бұрын
Ok, that makes sense. Looking at the vid above in slo-mo what I see is that you are are almost doing dolphin turns. Skis often (but not always) lifting just off the snow through the transition and then the tips re-engaging first. Are you consciously retracting at transition or is that ski rebound? Are you making any fore-aft weight transfer? And/or pushing feet forward at the completion of turn and then pulling them back to get the tips re-engaged for the new turn? When turning like that what's the technique thoughts you are having during the actual run?
@JonathanBallou
7 жыл бұрын
Leaving the ground is not intentional, and not something I am trying to avoid. I am attempting to absorb. When the absorption is a little late or fast, the skis sometimes come off the ground. I am trying to move forward after weight shift and during edge change, with the goal of pressuring the forebode of the ski after edge change. I am not actively trying to push or pull my feet fore and aft, just trying to stay engaged in the able joint while managing pressure. There is movement of the feet relative to the body, but my thought process is focused on the desired outcome of the skis.
@zbynekcodykolacek
4 жыл бұрын
Superb
@maaanuel87
6 жыл бұрын
Wheres the series? :(
@JonathanBallou
4 жыл бұрын
mnl8712 apologies, I owe a few more. I’ll get the others posted in the next month.
@iamthatiam1946
5 жыл бұрын
stunning
@xevaxtavax
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome music :D
@JB91710
4 жыл бұрын
This taught nothing. The title doesn't mean anything. Shaping the top? When he does try to teach he is wrong. "Outside ski engages before or with redirection." First, that says what happens not how to make it happen and it's wrong. Second, it is the transfer of weight to the uphill ski and the positioning of the upper body that changes the leg angle and allows the ski to start the turn. It's the tip of the ski bending on edge that changes the direction of the ski not You doing it! I also have news for you. That 21 meter turn radius business is wrong and meaningless. It is how much weight you apply to the tip of the ski that determines the radius. Everybody does it differently. it also matters how much angle you have with your legs that determines how much edge grip or slip you have. Sure there are skis that are stiffer and have more drastic shaping but using a radius number is meaning less. 21 meters is around 60 feet. Measure out 60 feet of rope and swing a radius. Does it look anything like what he did.? Not even close. I'm not going to go through everything else he said but it is all meaningless or wrong and you wouldn't believe me anyway. If you care, ask me questions.
@TheGpatters888
4 жыл бұрын
Everything Jonathan wrote makes sense to me and in fact the more I find out about ski technique the more sense it all makes. With respect to your comments on turn radius.... A ski's turn radius is determined by its side cut and, most importantly, its edge angle during a turn. Ski manufacturers are a bit vague on how radius is calculated but as far s I'm aware an angle of 30 degrees is typical. Tip the ski over further - as Jonathan does - and the edge angle will be much greater than that with a corresponding reduction on the turn radius.
@JB91710
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheGpatters888 I would be interested in what you think he says that makes sense. If I say he isn't teaching anything when he is obviously trying to do just that, I spell out in detail why it is wrong and the right way to explain it. Just sounding like you know something doesn't mean they know anything. This is how people pick the instructors to follow. 1. Quality of the video production. 2. Music. 3. Scenery. 4. The ski demonstrations. 5. The presenter's voice and personality. 6. How High Teach and exiting they make make skiing sound. They do Not base their allegiance on the quality of the teaching because someone who doesn't know skiing wouldn't have a clue what was right or wrong. I have said many times that, a student will Not take what they heard and apply it, they will Mimic what they saw only. They will see positive results because the skis are made to turn when on edge. They will have no clue how to manipulate the angles or forward or rear weighting because they were never taught how to do that. When they pick up speed, they resort to twisting their upper body's into the turn which will make their inside ski dig in and their turning ski will wash out an they will spin around backwards. People React to instant input without any excavation of that input or the results. They twist their feet and bend their knees sideways, their skis change direction and their favorite KZitem instructor is a hero. In ten years of evaluating the videos I have found, I have found ONE that thinks at all and some that come close to understanding what skiing is and the rest just describe what it looks like and say Do That. That's not teaching. Being a great skier has nothing to do with a persons ability to describe what it is they are doing so a student can actually understand what skiing is and what they need to do with their body and weight to allow the skis to turn. Not ONE person has a video that comes close. They all describe what it looks like.
@TheGpatters888
4 жыл бұрын
Well of course excellent production, foot tapping music and awesome scenery are where it's at. That's why Julie Andrews in "The Sound Of Music" is so popular with skiers. :-) Had a look at your vids and it's kinda sorta all right for those happy with low performance skiing on undemanding terrain. There's not much lateral displacement, angles are very limited and it's mostly pushing the heels to an edge. Unfortunately that's a dead end in terms of getting more performance out of the ski and more exciting angles. There's much better ski educational content out there. Jonathan and the Projected Productions team make a great set of vids. They are probably more directed at advanced to expert skiers. Tobin Leopsky at Section 8 Snowsports also has an excellent series of videos covering everybody from intermediates to expert. The one on bump skiing and the one on carving are especially useful. Currently my favorite skier educational content provider is Tom Gellie at Big Picture Skiing. Tom's been exceptionally productive these last few months and produced such insightful content. A lot of the vids are of actual lessons in which we see the skiing of real skiers improve as Tom instructs and explains. On occasion that means production values suffer - there's wind noise, other skiers, etc. But the ski edu content is currently unmatched. I'm hoping / expecting that it will lift the game of all those providing such vids.
@JB91710
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheGpatters888 You have to Read what I wrote to know what I was trying to demonstrate. I was showing how little you gave to do to allow the skis to turn as designed. All you have to do is keep your upper body quiet so you are in the correct place to balance on either skis' inside edge. You see? That's what I mean. Everything you could ever want to know about skiing is in my Writing! But you and everyone else want to See It! That's what everyone is giving you but with No Teaching. Of the three ways a person can learn, Seeing, Hearing or Reading, everyone will choose the first two. Reading makes you have to think and visualize. That is more difficult and isn't much fun. When is the last time you bought something and had fun reading the directions? If someone showed you and told you, you wouldn't have to think much. The problem is, if you don't understand what is going on all you can do is Mimic what you saw. Your skis will turn because the are designed to turn when placed on edge. But how do you regulate the amount of leg angle and forward and back weight distribution that will control your speed and grip on the snow? NOBODY teaches that very important part of skiing! With ski teaching, everyone sits back and watches the skiing and listens to the nice voice and hears the fancy words and they get a warm fuzzy feeling. . Being shown and told does not guarantee you will understand. What I'm doing is telling people that there is No Teaching in that presentation. THAT, is no fun to hear! I explain where and how what they watched is not teaching them and then I explain what you need to think about and then do that will allow the skis to turn as designed. Because you know that, you will be able to regulate the edge angle and forward and back weight distribution. As clearly as I described that, wouldn't you have preferred I show you?
@JB91710
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheGpatters888 Do Tobin Leopsky at Section 8 Snow sports and Tom Gellie at Big Picture Skiing have videos on KZitem? I'll look for them. I'll bet you the house that they do Not teach you what skiing is and what you have to do to allow your skis to turn. I'll Bet they Just talk about what you have to do to make your body Look Like that just like all the other instructors around the world. If you think you have been taught correctly by these people, then teach me now as if I am a beginner. Take what they have said and put it into your own words so I will understand what skiing is and what to do. Warning! You won't be able to because they didn't tell you. They just sounded good and knowledgeable and looked good.
@JB91710
4 жыл бұрын
0:23 words that mean nothing so they need a definition. How about, "You start the next turn by facing down the hill and getting off your downhill foot." More words but they actually Mean and Teach Something. And what are you going to make, square turns? 0:23 You sure don't want them moving backwards! How do they move onto the edge? Could it be that when you get off your downhill foot you will no longer be balanced so you fall down the hill which makes your uphill foot instantly roll over so you are on the arch of the uphill foot which allows the ski to turn? Again, more words but they actually Teach something. My words aren't as High Tech and Fancy but which does a student want? 0:36 This is the point where you decide that you want your skis to make another turn. You face and lean down the hill and get off your downhill foot and step up onto your uphill foot. Notice how his body stops going across the hill but his skis keep going which changes the leg angle to the other side. 0:40 Notice how fast the leg angle changes when you stop your upper body from crossing the will with your feet. as you have changed your weight to the uphill foot, notice how his left foot rolls over onto the arch. All he is doing is changing his weight from one arch to the other and the ski makes the turn. 0:44 Until, you want to start the next turn. 1:03 You make this so easy for me. What the heck does That teach anyone? The uphill ski CREATES a new turn or Redirection. Redirection does Not come first! I've got to get a video camera and someone to hold it! The KZitem ski teaching video industry is pathetic. I dare someone to tell me they learned something from this video.
@islandoutpost
4 жыл бұрын
LOL, See Jack Ski kzitem.info/news/bejne/on5-mZymomWJa3Y
@JB91710
4 жыл бұрын
@@islandoutpost Did you bother to read the description of what I was demonstrating or do you need pictures to learn something? Let's see you ski!
@jamesdunn2214
2 жыл бұрын
@@JB91710 You dare someone to tell you they learned something from this video?! Of course they did. You didn't because you're a pathetic know it all troll.
@snowboardguru6794
10 ай бұрын
@@JB91710 You should be in charge of PSIA. Do you snowboard as well?
@JB91710
10 ай бұрын
@@snowboardguru6794 No, I don't. I always thought that if I went out west again, I would rent the equipment and give it a try. I like the boards you can carve on. Obviously!
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