So if you are claiming that ANY vaccine has been tested against an inert placebo, please post the references to those studies so that your listeners do not have to take what you are saying at face value. RFK sued HHS for those references and they came back saying they did not have such a study.
@Binkyboy34
Жыл бұрын
"Safety and Persistent Immunogenicity of a Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus Types 6, 11, 16, 18 L1 Virus-Like Particle Vaccine in Preadolescents and Adolescents A Randomized Controlled Trial" Reisinger, et al, 2007. Do you need more?
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
just look at the published study for Pfizer's covid vaccine - used a saline placebo.
@Sceince01
Жыл бұрын
You should listen to TWIVs offshoot beyond thebnouse # 8 for explanation of placebo . I don’t understand why any body with even an iota of common sense would fall for placebo testing like joker ( RFK jr claims ) . He wants the trials to be unethical without a care how many children he hurts bits what’s wrong with his followers ? Personality worship and zero ability to think? Vaccines are tested against all these as placebos saline , adjuvants to make it more blind or previous vaccines for the same illnesses . When testing against previous vaccines ( which were previously tested against adjuvants or saline ) you actually have two comparison groups plus the baseline rate of injury for that vaccine . The newer vaccine has to be held at higher standard than previous vaccine to show lower or sane rate of injury and higher effectiveness . Also I would like you yo post the words here you would like to use for a parent of a child who passed away from illness for which there was an effective vaccine available but you gave saline . Let’s see
@philo3479
Жыл бұрын
@@NonFlyiingDutchmanand after a few months they unblinded the study and transfected the control group. Which only makes sense because the fizer trial ‘results’ showed a less than 1% absolute risk reduction. So they used ‘relative risk reduction’ to come to the 95% effective claim to justify the bought and paid for panel’s approval. RRR was a joke calculation. The current data for every one of the jabs shows negative efficacy so that 1% ARR is actually looking pretty good.
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
@@philo3479 thanks for letting us know you don't understand statistics, it puts a lot of your comments into context. Absolute risk reduction is as much a measure of the prevalence of the virus as it is a measure of vaccine efficacy so it would be stupid to use it as a measure for a clinical study.
@nomadshelter
Жыл бұрын
Why won’t anyone debate him if you are so much more knowledgeable then he is.
@sithwolf8017
Жыл бұрын
Why won't anyone debate Eric Dubay?
@Brian-dg3gh
Жыл бұрын
@@sithwolf8017if there was 2 million dollars being offered there would be a mile long line to debate him.
@NorDixonSkiSchool
Жыл бұрын
Never heard of Eric. RFJ even said he'd send them all his sources ahead of the debate and not site anything outwith the sources
@billyballsup2685
5 ай бұрын
Professor Dalgliesh makes these Muppets look like Walmart workers. Who are these pharmaceutical salesman. These people should be arrested.
@catkin-z8g
5 ай бұрын
taylor swift is the best. shut up.
@Saffouh
Жыл бұрын
I think it is best to bring RFK on your podcast and debunk him in front of his face, not behind his back,
@GBS1043
Жыл бұрын
THEY WILL NEVER DO THAT..
@simonlevett4776
9 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@mattdavis3036
Жыл бұрын
If you inject people with the adjuvant and call it a placebo... what if the problem is the adjuvant? Doesn't that cross your mind?
@toniencheff4046
Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@Rehealise
Жыл бұрын
Believe in science🤢
@ellenmccarthy6912
Жыл бұрын
Where are the independent virologists without big pharma connections?
@nancychandler3673
Жыл бұрын
We can be found in most hospitals treating out of control viruses that have ravaged unvaccinated children.
@quintile9705
5 ай бұрын
They went to comp science jobs
@DOLEWDREW
Жыл бұрын
"Brought to you by Pfizer"‼
@rickkristofek5296
Жыл бұрын
This group has such a large fan base for all those people vaccinated and fearful of outcomes which have been showing up throughout the world, and concerns for the vaers systems 18,000 dead reported without any vetting by the cdc. How do we account for 20 percent increase in death not attributable to covid?
@thedrunkenchefs4577
Жыл бұрын
When all cause mortality goes up after a mass vaccination campaign, shouldn't the public health officials want to know why? It seems that they just want to put their collective heads in the sand.
@haltonarp8566
Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@MrKadillak
Жыл бұрын
Clearly they want to ignore it or claim that people didnt get their normal check-ups that would have found their illness sooner.
@Sceince01
Жыл бұрын
What’s one group that has been spared the excess DEAths ? The vaccinated . Med cram has two excellent video on it and back to science has several.
@olfrud
Жыл бұрын
have fun with a live expectancy of about 30 or if you get older than that being crippled and disfigured. This was the norm before vaccines existed.
@jennykilcoyne8836
9 ай бұрын
So basic grade school education is a reward for those who conform
@inforuimteschip5970
Жыл бұрын
It would be very nice to see a session like this with also someone like Brett weinstein or RKF themselfs in it. I believe they would be open to it and it would give more insight into where the truth is to be found somewhere, maybe in the middle. To he honest im still leaning more towards camp weinstein than you guys. Mostly because i have seen a lot of things you mention addressed by the other side, and the way RFK en Brett are sometimes referred to in a demeaning way also doesn't help.
@steinbeck1805
Жыл бұрын
Neither one of them (Weinstein and certainly not RFK) are remotely as qualified as any of the people presenting here. So - why???
@inforuimteschip5970
Жыл бұрын
@@steinbeck1805 Brett Weinstein is an evolutionary biologist and RFK has been researching this topic as a layer litigating for over 20 years. If that is not good enough for you there is an endless list of other people qualified and willing to make the counter points. and If they all really talk nonsense then why not have them on and point it out. Or start a discussion in writing so both sides have time to get into the data sighted. Cause I have seen enough talking on both sides to know there is data on both sides. some put forth by big pharma itself some done sloppy. There is a lot to get into, and as far as I can tell people like RFK and Brett (and a bunch more) are well read and sincerely looking for truth. If you ask me thats all you can ask for in a debate, and a scientific mind should see a good challenge as an exploration of truth. This just calling others dumb from a distance and never really engaging in a sincere way to look if the truth good be somewhere else then exactly where you think it is might just be to rigid to be very scientific.
@DirtyLifeLove
Жыл бұрын
Had do they know 90% of deaths were unvaccinated? If they admit the effectiveness drops rapidly after 5 months did they count those as unvaccinated? Did they count those over 75 as not vaccinated even if they were since poor immune system can equal poor response to vaccine? Can we trust that data from the CDC since they hid data and 3xaggerated if it didn't make the vaccine look good? Was there so much riding on the program that failure wasn't an option
@Trom5464
Жыл бұрын
Why not bring on John Abramson? He might school these tools He was the EXPERT in teh Bextra case where pfizer was convicted of the biggest fine in criminal history. Yeah lets all listen to the words of indoctrinated stooges who only know what they have been told to think.
@vaultsjan
Жыл бұрын
Whats the point of such debate if it actually does not follow the scientific methodology so... kinda need to do science to know stuff. RFK, Bret can shout 1000 stupid ideas, it takes time to investigate/debunk/verify each of such ideas/claims.
@kickinsnarehat
Жыл бұрын
Dan Wilson works for Johnson and Johnson. No conflict of interest there.
@collinsmcrae
Жыл бұрын
RFK has built a fringe political career off being a nepo baby peddling ridiculous medical conspiracy theories. Sure, there’s some conflict of interest there? RFK is also involved with several lawsuits along these lines. Any conflict there?
@GBS1043
9 ай бұрын
@@collinsmcrae YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG. If you want to prove you are right, please debate him
@collinsmcrae
9 ай бұрын
@@GBS1043 Are you traded? Sure. Set it up. You can't really debate conspiracy theorists and wackos, for several reasons. A) No matter what you say or what you source, they won't accept it, B) They aren't qualified to speak expertly on the subject, so there's no reason to legitimize them by having a debate C) They will just diarrhea vomit endless shit that nobody can possibly fact check within the timeframe of the debate. It's a lose lose for experts to debate such a guy. He isn't entitled to a seat at the table anyway.
@yinyangxperience5137
Жыл бұрын
As a virologist myself why do you need so many people to debunk live, attenuated, or dead.I don't see the logic in arguing clinical trials for vaccines?! It reminds me of the HIV Epidemic, Merck, Pfizer tried vaccines and all failed. The immune system is dynamic and complex and we are nowhere close to understanding all the complexities of it. How long was the Covid clinical trial?
@nancychandler3673
Жыл бұрын
The mRNA clinical trials started 35 years ago. This technology is perfect for SAR'S/Cov 2. mRNA treatments are not new, they are apparently new to RFK Jr. though.
@michaelparry1028
6 күн бұрын
The clinical trials are A joke rubber stamped by a Corrupt FDA. You know it too!
@michaelparry1028
6 күн бұрын
@nancychandler3673 Wow you vaxx maniacs Are So ignorant!
@janinepera8338
Жыл бұрын
Dan Wilson got his doctorate in Molecular Biology in 2020. He works for a bio pharmaceutical company. He is not a clinical physician.
@Sceince01
Жыл бұрын
Yup he researches and he is a scientist yet you prefer a known liar like RFK jr whose methods will actually harm children and is associated with 83 deaths in American Samoa . Anyway you fail to site what Dr Wilson said that is not correct ? Trying to malign him just because you can’t find fault with he says . Should we use you as testimony for the fact that he is right?
@jackjohnson4386
Жыл бұрын
+janinepera8338 As if that matters to you. Over 96% of "clinical physicians" in the United States full support the Covid vaccine and have gotten it themselves. They continue to beg the American public to get vaccinated to help them manage Covid. But you anti-vaxxers don't care what they say. Don't act like it matters to you what they say.
@winnmatthews
Жыл бұрын
@@jackjohnson4386 There are clinical physicians who are against the vax and majority isn't what matters in science.
@jackjohnson4386
Жыл бұрын
@@winnmatthews *"majority isn't what matters in science."* The majority matters in everything. At any given point in time, if 97% of scientists believe one thing about any topic and another 3% disagree, it's highly likely that the 97% are correct. Should the minority be allowed to voice their opinion and try to prove themselves right? Of course. That's now science evolves. But this isn't what anti-vaxxers are doing, which is why the overwhelming majority of scientists are not anti-vaxxers.
@winnmatthews
Жыл бұрын
@@jackjohnson4386 "majority matters in everything" uhm what?? "The 97% are highly likely correct" Okay? Maybe. But we're not talking who's highly likely correct. It's really not about the majority, it's just about the weight of the evidence. "Should they be allowed to voice their opinion and try to prove themselves right? Of course" Ok, so why are they being censored then? Lol "This isn't what anti-vaxxers are doing" Again, they are being silenced and threatened to lose their license, etc. if they don't go along with the majority, lmao.. So how are they given the opportunity to voice their opinion and try to prove themselves right?? The pro-vaxxers side are not open to being challenged. We see it time and time again. Their unwillingness to have any discussion. So how is that in line with scientific progress???
@technodance_me
Жыл бұрын
THE POINT IS THAT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY IS WORKING HARD TO HIDE THE TRUTH AND WEIRD PEOPLE ARE GOING ALONG WITH IT.
@dustsky
Жыл бұрын
As long as the entities responsible for making decisions about our health are coupled financially with Big Pharma, trust will continue to be difficult to attain. Moreover, hindering open scientific discourse during a pandemic doesn't contribute to establishing trust. Let's remember this for the future! Science free of financial and ideological coercion is truly amazing!
@hunthart09
Жыл бұрын
This is absolutely terrible
@zakglove6536
9 ай бұрын
Are any of you employed, consult or accept compensation in any way from the CDC, FDA or any Pharmaceutical companies?
@Sceince01
8 ай бұрын
1: What does that have to do with facts they are stating ? 2: no
@andrewmorris5947
Жыл бұрын
Where’s the safety data!!! “Nothing is completely safe” - yet placebo controlled safety studies won’t reveal the full safety profile?
@yourhealinghome8812
Жыл бұрын
THE problem with vaccine injury is not that people suffer from having the truth witheld from them. THE PROBLEM is that when someone has an adverse effect, the injury compensation program stands as a barrier between a victim and the party responsible for the injury. This protection is provided by taxpayer funded agencies, and it protects enormous profits against claims for the damage done.
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
the payment scheme is funded by vaccine manufacturers and it is taxpayer funded regulators that approve the vaccines and public health departments that recommend and give them
@bethbrucki8621
Жыл бұрын
How about compensation from pharmaceutical companies? No they are exempt. They can do whatever they want and not pay a penny toward the injured. 😢
@kazax01
Жыл бұрын
Regarding the claim that the first vaccines were tested. Are you seriously going to say that whatever tests were done in the 60’s should satisfy the safety protocols of today? That is a weak argument. 🤦🏾♀️
@sithwolf8017
Жыл бұрын
So we shouldn't have used the smallpox vaccine to eradicate smallpox? Was it a mistake?
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
who made that argument?
@kkelley7222
Жыл бұрын
Also, did you see the "safety studies" that they link to? None of them are safety studies
@marciasouthwick9748
Жыл бұрын
RFKjr is an attorney. You might not like attorneys, but he has always defended the people against pharma fraud and pollution. If the FDA is given the funds for reviewing products BY the companies in question, why would ANY of you find that acceptable? Unfortunately, that reason ALONE explains most of the hesitancy.
@Sceince01
Жыл бұрын
Hum so is that why he lies ? How dangerous are his methods ? Why do you think the clown. Wrote a book about way way better person then himself and lied consistently in that book ? What do you think about his role in the deaths of 83 people ( including children ) in American Samoa ? Why do you think he praises those who played a role in president Mbeki not treating hiv and he also praised Andrew Wakefield who caused measles outbreaks in both sides of the pond . If we the medical doctors listen to that clown and his proposed extremely stupid idea how many children do you think he will kill ?
@hime273
Жыл бұрын
@@Sceince01The real question is, what's your body count?
@winnmatthews
Жыл бұрын
@@Sceince01RFKjr lied consistently in the book? Yet, you don't see Fauci objecting, do you?? 😂😂
@Sceince01
Жыл бұрын
@@winnmatthews not every body sinks to the level of RFzk jr . Let’s see , Jjist test one . In his book RFK jr blames Dr Fauci for opioid epidemic . Why and how is Dr Fauci responsible ?
@Sceince01
Жыл бұрын
@@winnmatthews also why do you think the cheapster RFK jr lied about Dr Offit receiving 186 million ? Why donyoubthibkntje cheapster lied about Dr Offit’s vaccine containing thimerosal ? Let’s see if you can answer because his fans hide or lie and try to trick their way out of answering when confronted with facts . Just like the poster of original comment in this thread Marcia
@vanessalew7508
5 ай бұрын
What about the psychological suffering from all the misinformation from people against vaccins will that be compensated .Some people should study that type of distress
@jackau08
Жыл бұрын
Go write peer review papers to counter the other peer review papers with hard facts and good experiements. Else, it is just an opinion, not real science .
@toniencheff4046
Жыл бұрын
Spotify app is easy to download and free. I encourage everyone to listen to Joe Rogan’s interview with RFK for themselves and listen to his own words- not people who disagree with him paraphrasing him. I have never heard RFK Jr. be condescending or rude to anyone, which is more than I can say for even the US House of Representative Democrats at their recent hearing on censorship. I listened to the whole thing. They put words in his mouth and would not even let him reply to defend himself. I listened to the whole hearing. I am a lifelong Democrat. He behaved with so much dignity. I was so positively impressed with him
@philo3479
Жыл бұрын
As a lifelong R, I had the same takeaway as you. I find him a very compelling candidate.
@swannoir
Жыл бұрын
I think many feel the same way. The more Democrats and scientists like these attack and try to silence him, or won't even confront him at all, like here, the more respect I find I have for him.
@markrobinowitz8473
11 ай бұрын
He's engaged in stochastic terrorism, encouraging his followers to attack scientists and doctors. He urged people in Samoa not to protect their kids against a measles outbreak (over 80 kids were killed). He tells HIV patients not to take medication that is needed to keep their infections from becoming AIDS (which is lethal).
@judithwyer389
Жыл бұрын
Why doesn't a debate occur face-to-face with someone like Offit and Kennedy and let the viewers decide for themselves what they want to believe. That might make a a better conclusion of all of this.
@BrandonCastillo214
Жыл бұрын
How about the corporate capture of federal agencies. It's that bunk too?
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
yes
@jmr1290
Жыл бұрын
@@NonFlyiingDutchman wow, you are gullible... So Citizens United was a good decision?
@paulpaul9914
Жыл бұрын
@@NonFlyiingDutchman You making stuff up again? Are you a prolific purveyor of bs son?
@klondike444
Жыл бұрын
@@NonFlyiingDutchman No.
@jiiig8667
Жыл бұрын
Important to note RFKjr has repeatedly stated that if there is any contravertable information to his claims he is very open to being contacted and listening to what you have. I hope you will be willing to take him up on that offer. ❤
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
but he's repeatedly failed to honour that statement.
@jiiig8667
Жыл бұрын
Also..., live testing a new therapeutic in the field without clinical trials has serious implications for future products. Clinical trials provide a controlled environment whereby many variables that exist in real life are eliminated and cannot interfere with determining the safety of a new vaccine. I would think this to be basic understanding for medical research professionals such as this panel. ❤
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
@@jiiig8667 what do you think has been 'live test in the field without clinical trials'?
@jiiig8667
Жыл бұрын
@@NonFlyiingDutchman im sure he is very busy. It's not like it would be easy and I am sure he's gotten some pretty rude people attacking him. I don't think this panel is being really genuine especially when they start of with a biased title. His interview on Rogan is expansive. I find when people attempt to counter his claims they go off track instead of being specific to what he said. Anyways, no doubt he is very knowledgeable, no one has attempted to sue him like with his Fauci book. That's pretty telling. And again I don't see anyone attempting to debate him with good faith.
@jiiig8667
Жыл бұрын
@@NonFlyiingDutchman in the field refers to something that is never supposed to be done (as was learned coming out of ww2). Clinical trials are the compromise of getting volunteers who consent (in the field does not do this as evidenced by Vax mandates and there being no honest informing by the news) and its a small representative group.
@lumbeejojonativedaughterdi9770
Жыл бұрын
IF RFK Jr. Is wrong, then WHY won't ANYONE calling him a liar REFUSE TO DEBATE HIM ON THE ISSUE OF VACCINES?
@matthewdopler8997
Жыл бұрын
It would be like playing chess with a pigeon. It will just crap all over the board, knock over the pieces, before flying back to its flock and act like it won the game.
@ChrisCapel
Жыл бұрын
@@matthewdopler8997 That's an absurd analogy when referring to RFKjr. Alex Jones, sure, but come on.
@matthewdopler8997
Жыл бұрын
@@ChrisCapel I don’t see the difference. If you hear RFK Jr speak it is just as crazy. He believes the Spanish Flu was caused by vaccines.
@winnmatthews
Жыл бұрын
@@matthewdopler8997So let people see that RFKjr was like a pidgeon then.. Why are these guys so scared of a "pidgeon"? Lol. They're not very convincing when they're cowards unwilling to discuss RFKjr's claims without RFKjr being present..
@lumbeejojonativedaughterdi9770
Жыл бұрын
@@matthewdopler8997 I don't agree. The public isn't that ignorant. Allow both sides, Kennedy & the vaccine community to present and defend their data and the public will be able to decide.
@dmr6390
Жыл бұрын
They have to get a panel of 6 people to talk shit about him while really not addressing his SPECIFIC issues with vaccines. Not a single one of these people will speak to him 1 on 1…. I’m not saying RFK is right about a lot of stuff, but the fact that they refuse to sit down and have a conversation with him leaves me to think that there has to be a decent amount of truth to his claims. At least more than the “experts” are willing to admit
@B-Nice
Жыл бұрын
They are credibility experts 🤷🏽♀️
@lesfaby8997
Жыл бұрын
There are KZitem videos that show Junior presenting his argument, followed by their rebuttal: kzitem.info/news/bejne/1KudqX6EeoJ3bKQ There is even a video showing his sophistry tricks: kzitem.info/news/bejne/04R3l41pqoahqHo
@dmr6390
Жыл бұрын
@@lesfaby8997 thanks for sharing! Those are decent although they aren’t steelmanning his arguments before they dissect them. I wish Dr. Wilson would sit down with him for a discussion and you could see exactly where they disagree. For example, RFK Jr has a different definition of placebo controlled trial for vaccines than most doctors do
@lesfaby8997
Жыл бұрын
@@dmr6390 they are providing Junior on video unaltered.
@dmr6390
Жыл бұрын
@@lesfaby8997 i know. I watched the videos. Nothing beats a direct back and forth conversation though so they could continue to clarify their beliefs. That’s all I’m saying.
@toniencheff4046
Жыл бұрын
A big concern for RFK is that the CDC, FDA, and regulating agencies of the pharmaceutical industry are themselves funded and staffed by the pharmacy industry. Fox guarding the hen house. Seems like a lawyer specializing in environmental and health protection such as RFK would be qualified to make such an observation and report it to the world, who has a right to know. Seems like a conflict of interest observation is not a “ conspiracy theory”
@todd1963
Жыл бұрын
"Conspiracy theory" these days in regards to vaccines, is often designed to protect the profits of Big Pharma who give tons of money to elected officials but also to mainstream corporate media. It is designed to give casual news watchers, a mental shortcut of "no need to deep dive and spend energy on this one". Sadly, it works very well and most people lack the time or attention span to look into some of these regulatory capture issues further. All Citizens who depend on the FDA for "safe" products should be concerned about cases like Scott Gottleib who runs the FDA, then moves onto Phizer's Board, and then in that Board role is caught trying to get Tweets taken down discussing studies that Natural Immunity against COVID is better than the Vaccine. Especially a Vaccine that needs what - 2 or 3 or 4 or ? boosters after the initial shot and whose VP was called in front of the European Union Parliament and admitted they did not have anything to show that it stopped the spread of the virus.
@susanyu6507
Жыл бұрын
No
@bleedlejuice
Жыл бұрын
At least RFK asks questions. The fact that all you people do is "de- bunk" and refuse to ask questions or tread difficult waters conversationally is sickening and unethical. I actually don't see any real debunking going either ... just deflection
@meadablos2505
6 ай бұрын
I think it might do well to look into the peer review process. Literally all researchers do is “ask questions” for a paper to survive peer review it has to undergo strict scrutiny by other experts in the field, and this is just on the one specific small claim the paper makes. Then if it survives that scrutiny, it needs to survive replication. Sure RFK asks questions, but that’s all he does. He asks broad questions then when hes pushed he jumps to another broad misleading claim. His ideas never need to survive strict and specific scrutiny because he will always just jump to another claim. It takes way more time to disprove a claim than it does to make one. He understands this and that’s his whole game. Also the scrutiny these researchers must survive to make it through their PHD thesis defense is likely more than RFK has even gone through
@adamdur3579
Жыл бұрын
You should have him on to talk???
@klondike444
Жыл бұрын
Don't hold your breath.
@joshpeck9266
Жыл бұрын
They should have him on. Each present their studies, discuss in dialectical format
@imrosebaga5600
Жыл бұрын
Dialectical means logical discussion. There is nothing logical about the environmental lawyer's take on vaccines and covid.
@winnmatthews
Жыл бұрын
@@imrosebaga5600We'll be the judge of that
@cannsktchn6072
Жыл бұрын
@@imrosebaga5600 believe dialectical means 2 things can be true at the same time? Someone please correct me if i am mistaken?
@davidmazzola5547
Жыл бұрын
I hear him raising valid questions which is what science is about.
@fralanasko2900
Жыл бұрын
Repeating proven lies over and over is not what science is about.
@_modvault
Жыл бұрын
@@fralanasko2900 what proven lies has he repeated?
@westleyjohnstone4719
Жыл бұрын
Repeating proven lies is what the anti Vax movement does. And I see you are suckled intro the anti Vax cult. God forbid you ever get sick ( from anything) and will need medical assistance, as no doubt you don't trust medical qualified doctors no more, instead getting your information from biased, skewed, often blatent wrong corrupt online frauds
@24haikus
Жыл бұрын
You all make fun of RFK on his placebo definition but you say that placebos are sometimes containing adjuvants or other bits of the vaccine being tested for without the active ingredient. Thats the problem, you have adjuvants in there and we know that they have effects that can be very strong on the immune system themselves. You do disservice to your own arguments by mocking this question by simply citing the authority that accepts them in the placebo in the trials or doesn't define placebo adequately. You might want to address RFK's arguments against adjuvants and his definition of them as highly toxic by definition so as to cause insult and thus immune response. You all should address the question of adjuvants. And when doing so, do imagine these substances being given to newborns.
@spate609
Жыл бұрын
I can tell you one thing that was fact that jfk jr said . We the US do experiment with biological weapons . Look up the rebuilding Americas defenses, strategically forces resources for a new century page 60 left side of the page towards the bottom . Then to show defunding , let’s go to omnibus bill 2023 , page 162 section 8137 . Fun stuff .
@ferrisxlove
Жыл бұрын
Where’s the part where you debunked RFK Jr?
@harrykirk7415
Жыл бұрын
On the subject of lawyers, I recall a lawyer making the claim that he could convince a jury that the Earth is flat based on the evidence. To which I told him that being able to convince a jury that the Earth is flat says a lot more about how the Law works than it tells you about the shape of the Earth.
@eottoe2001
Жыл бұрын
When I took a rhetoric class in college where we had to defend or fight a point of view. That's a place where the lights went on for me. I had a friend who had a master's in philosophy and who was pro-2nd Amendment. It was after Sandy Hook I was listening to his arguments, and I finally said to him, "I'm not going to argue against you. You will have clever arguments but never get to the truth."
@markvalery8632
Жыл бұрын
@@eottoe2001 Way back in college during a night of drinking, 2 friends got into an argument. One of them could debate anything, take either side, and win against anyone I knew. So when he was done with stating his view, the second guy walked up to him and spit on his shoes. The first guy looked shocked, and went back to a very detailed argument backing his views. The second guy spit on his shoes again. They both walked away believing they had each won the argument.
@markrobinowitz8473
Жыл бұрын
RFK Junior denying HIV causes AIDS is the biology equivalent of flat Earth.
@skepticalbadger
Жыл бұрын
I presume that was his point exactly.
@stevenponte6655
Жыл бұрын
I have a good friend who is a KC (kings counsel) essentially the top of the chain in court/trial lawyers in the UK. Sometimes when talking to him he can make me doubt that 2 + 2 = 4!
@CKWong-jk5st
Жыл бұрын
I am so glad they address this point. I cringe every time I hear someone say, "Trust the science", "Follow the science", and "Believe in science." Those statements imply a grave misunderstanding of science and are very misleading to layman. Science is not a religion or a set of instructions. A more apporpriate way would be, like one participant said, "trust the science method and the science process." And I would add this: the "facts" as best as we know by scientific process will NOT tell us how to act. Science gives us the information based on which to make our decisons. Our actions should be guided by reason and moral and ethical judgements. Many bad things have been committed in the name of science because some people lack moral and ethics (e.g. Nazi experiments in concentration camps, USA's infamous Tuskegee experiment.) Early in my medical career I have adopted this motto: "Data is not the same thing as information; information is not knowledge; knowledge is not truth; truth is not wisdom."
@nyperi13
Жыл бұрын
Yes, in principle, "trust the scientific method and process", but unfortunately, in practice, there is too much corruption in many areas of scientific endeavor these days.
@graemecreegan6749
Жыл бұрын
A phenomenon which can only be exacerbated when those with the power and platform to dispel false claims (e.g. Fauci), instead make the claim that they are ‘the science’.
@jazzforpeace
Жыл бұрын
If I wanted to listen to just a few minutes of this two hour long epitaph and just hear something that backs up this animal jumping theory that almost nobody believes right now which minute would I go to on this video?
@Sceince01
Жыл бұрын
@@jazzforpeace there is zero evidence for lab leak and overwhelming evidence for zoonosis both generic and with chains of infections so how dishonest it would be to ignore all the evidence and pick one thing that is extremely unlikely to be a causative link ? 1: what a coincidence the lab to search corona viruses was built in an area where the corona virus is likely to be found but still in a city large enough where they could get virologists to work . 2: market is not even the 10 most crowded place in Wuhan . So why the earliest 172 cases were not located in more crowded area ( which would be more consistent with lab leak ) 3: why were early cases not located in areas where lab people lived ? 4: why were all early cases both market related and market unrelated were located in the market ? 5: which lineage was lab leaked ? Lineage A or lineage. - B ( since there were two lineages at the very start ) 6: two lineages is very consistent with natural ( zoonotic infection ) 7 none of the lab personnel tested positive for COVID 8 none of the bats in lab tested positive for COVID 9 WIV did not have SARS-COV-2 virus as they tried to publish all they had . 10: the nearest match WIV had was 96.2 % match and the best oft the best virologist will need 99.7% match most will need 99.9% match in 30k nucleotide virus .
@julianciahaconsulting8663
Жыл бұрын
"Trust the Science" also translates into Trust all Scientists....and assumes scientists are human beings immune from corruption and being corrupted....it wasnt the photocopy temps but the scientists at Johnson&Johnson who rigged data for years to hide the asbestos in their baby powder....it was the scientists at Purdue Pharma who rigged data to support the lie that fentanyl and oxycontin were safe low addictive pain killers.....and so I am not even sure we can trust the science method and science process that goes on in the labs of Big Pharma.
@SuperAmir2011
Жыл бұрын
Parma shills
@gualtergutierrez1166
Жыл бұрын
Blablabla with no data. U must believe this still are medieval times. What a shame
@Carroty_Peg
Жыл бұрын
The Vax-believers!! Truly a sacrament and gift from god. no one question the miracle pls
@cannsktchn6072
Жыл бұрын
I have been asking simple and respectful questions here for over a month, and been ignored by this panel. I try to listen to varying opinions as I am not too haughty to believe I have all the answers..but this panel has defended nothing and convinced me of nothing. In fact, they really did a disservice to their position by trying to discredit the man as if he were an idiot, which he clearly is not. Guess what panel? Most people do not have degrees in the medical field. This is why we put our trust in medical authorities...hoping they wont steer us wrong. There have been many doctors and scientists who do not agree with how this was handled - do they not have the same educations? What makes the people here so much better informed? I will continue my search for answers elsewhere. Sorry panel. I really tried to give you a chance but you did nothing more than try to make people feel like idiots for not being as enlightened as all of you apparently are.
@biggy_fishy
Жыл бұрын
Id like to see you guys go through each study RFK Jr sites and explain how the science has either learned differently or what is wrong with what he is claiming. Also would be helpful if you guys would include where the data could be more robust or maybe some studies that would be helpful to ease people's minds.
@12235117657598502586
Жыл бұрын
Ease people’s minds? With all the deliberate ‘twists n turns’ and gaslighting by the mass media… Easing peoples minds will be impossible without universal agreement of ‘one single truth’ about this whole nasty mess, the population will continue to be confused what the actual TRUTH is! 😡
@steinbeck1805
Жыл бұрын
It’s already available. Start with Dr Wilson’s videos. RFK is not remotely learned in the field.
@biggy_fishy
Жыл бұрын
@@steinbeck1805 I'll look for it but I'm just wondering why they go through each point but then don't show wtf they're talking about. Have you ever watched Dr. Beans' channel? He makes videos breaking down the mechanism and uses illustrations to show how the studies show this or that. They spend a lot of time laughing about staying at your education level or something but they don't really seem to understand the actual points they need to refute.
@elizabethhovey5154
Жыл бұрын
@@biggy_fishy I listened to them talk about many of RFK Jr's points and rebut each one. Then in the new podcast today there was a discussion of the new RSV vaccine, which has had 3 placebo controlled trials, one with a saline placebo.
@stevegcq
Жыл бұрын
Dan Wilson is deceptive, he keeps saying 'RFK says this' and 'RFK says that'. But RFK constantly repeats that he is not the source of the scientific information. RFK cites quality scientific studies for everything he says. Dan never mentions these studies.
@ArdenAndersen-r7u
Жыл бұрын
Never has the current vaccine schedule as a unit been tested against placebo - saline. It matters not if each individual vaccine has or hasn't been tested against saline, as soon as you combine vaccines either in the same vial or give on the same day, you have a new drug combination that HAS NEVER BEEN TESTED AGAINST PLACEBO.
@jenniferangelosante7711
Жыл бұрын
I am always amazed how “scientists” seem so comfortable completely ignoring interaction effects, particularly with vaccines and pharmaceutical drugs.
@TheUniverse915
Жыл бұрын
Such a fair and balanced debate with 6 pro vaccine advocates and no one on the other side to rebut anything said.
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
it wasn't intended to be a debate, much like RFKjr on Joe Rogan wasn't a debate
@AustinCDennis
Жыл бұрын
Glad to see you confirm RFK Jr. is anti vax
@robbielee2148
Жыл бұрын
@@NonFlyiingDutchman Rogan has at least 20 times as many viewers & everyone will know the name RFK jr before too long unlike Offit who refuses to consider a fair in person debate on such a large platform.
@markrobinowitz8473
11 ай бұрын
@@robbielee2148 By that standard, we should take medical advice from pop stars who have huge audiences but zero understanding of complex medical concerns.
@Angel-zb2im
Жыл бұрын
**panelist #5** How can you work for J&J, who couldn't even make safe baby power and was implicated in the opioid crisis, and still shrug off safety issues in your industry? What's worse is that most of the criminal penalties resulting from the recent lawsuits we're because the manufacturers intentionally covered up their own data showing "serious side effects" and continued to push those products anyway!
@Binkyboy34
Жыл бұрын
" and still shrug off safety issues in your industry? " What safety issues have come up with J&J vaccines? Be careful of the genetic fallacy.
@philo3479
Жыл бұрын
That is why these clowns have zero credibility with those who learn from history. They count on the 🐑 🐑 to keep the system going.
@caseyhammond7152
Жыл бұрын
You are missing one very important person - RF Kennedy Jr. Why are popdcaster and news-casters afraid to give him air time?
@nancychandler3673
Жыл бұрын
Let RFK talk about the money he rakes in from Big Pharma quack medicine 💊. He's a very corrupt individual and has no place in Politics.
@Wayne-im1wr
Жыл бұрын
We really could benefit from a debate between RFK Jr. and the 6 of you.
@U2GuitarTutorials
Жыл бұрын
And add Malone to RFK's side. 6 vs 2. The six would get creamed.
@beezd8001
10 ай бұрын
AGREE, ALL SIX WOULD BE PREGNANT @@U2GuitarTutorials
@theultimatereductionist7592
8 ай бұрын
Only when every prisoner on the planet is freed, including animals from factory farms, and everybody debates what is or is not legal, the law. Or, if they wish, debate what they believe to be justified vs unjustified. Only when televised national debates include Greens, Communists, Socialists, Marxists, Anarchists, Sovereign Citizens, Antinatalists, Animal Rights Vegans, and all prisoners get a voice, too: get to vote. Only then should anyone waste time giving a know-nothing politician a platform for spouting bullshit on a topic for which he has zero qualifications. @lumbeejojonativedaughterdi9770
@theultimatereductionist7592
8 ай бұрын
Waste of time. You and the American public could benefit with a debate with That Vegan Teacher and Vegan Gains Richard talking about the holocaust of the meat industry
@beezd8001
8 ай бұрын
WTF u on about@@theultimatereductionist7592
@LibertarianRick
Ай бұрын
Having just read RFK's book re: Fauci, I was looking for a serious contrarian perspective. I am still looking. After 46 minutes of careful listening my preliminary conclusion is all six of you are satisfied with non-specific criticisms which support your biases. I am looking for laser focused rebuttals to RFK statements. This will require page numbers from his book and exact quotes, and your links to specific studies which contradict RFK claims. I do have major problems with the RFK book. Specifically no table of contents and no index, really? It also appears to lack a serious editor, which could have made it much more readable and considerably shorter. On the other hand the numerous footnotes and the QR codes at the end of every chapter, which promise continual updates to the book, allow one to 'follow the data' on their own, which for me is very valuable. Perhaps it is impossible to have this discussion in a video format. But it occurs to me that if someone really wants to debate RFK, and I hope they will, they will figure out a way to do so in a way that produces confidence in the conclusions they reach.
@Rob-me8vp
Жыл бұрын
Europe does not require the same number of vaccines as the US. Many countries don’t require them to go to school. For instance England does not require the chicken pox vaccine. Why, bc of the increased incidence of Shingles. Of those vaccines that are recommended maybe they have a higher vaccination rate, but they don’t require the same number of vaccines.
@sithwolf8017
Жыл бұрын
Uh dude the chickenpox vaccine doesn't cause shingles.
@Serendipityfemme
Жыл бұрын
Right, I learned via RFK that this Hep b jab is given on the second day of life. That is unheard of in many countries. Yet us americans pretend like oir way is the best, we have so much to learn from other countries; especially on this topic.
@ctj8732
Жыл бұрын
22:50 the statement is made that RFK says that "the vaccines are not tested against placebo controlled trials" This is untrue and a perfect example of why this panel cannot be trusted. RFK says that no "inert" placebo controlled trials are conducted "pre-license". This is a hugely important point that is being intentionally and conspicuously left out, with the direct objective of deceiving the audience. This one comment and its deceptive nature severely discredits this panel and discussion, but 99% of listeners will simply nod in ingnorant aggrement. This is PRECISELY why the very best virologists in the country will NOT debate RFK. Because if they did, simple deceptions like this woukd be immediately called out.
@Binkyboy34
Жыл бұрын
And it's still a lie. All novel vaccines have been tested against an inert placebo, but you're also lying about what RFK Jr. said.
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
the Pfizer vaccine used saline as a placebo control in it's pre-licence trial. You can read the study publication online
@caliguy1260
Жыл бұрын
I think it is important to explain why a placebo in a vaccine trial is not just saline, and does include the adjuvant and most other components of the vaccine except for the antigenic component. The main principle is that the trial should attempt to have as few variables as possible, to prevent the presence of occult or "lurking" variables that would affect the outcome. Everything needs to be the same so that the results can be attributable to the thing that is varied.
@elihathaway6784
Жыл бұрын
If you're only testing the vaccine and trusting the placebo trial from 1932 then yeah, just test it against an old vaccine. However if you want to see the actual difference between people who receive the vaccine and people who don't then you give one group the vaccine and give the other saline.
@cannsktchn6072
Жыл бұрын
Yes..this confuses me..I dont really care what part of a vaccine could be harmful..I just want to know if it causes harm. So have we ever studied adjuvants alone against saline placebos? I think we all know there is risk in anything..but what is the risk of the whole product. And how much adjuvant are people getting from everything altogether?
@davyd28
Жыл бұрын
No, we need to study the safety of the adjuvants vs a real placebo, too. We get the whole thing injected, not just the active part. The effect of the product as a whole can not be divined from summing up what we know about separate ingredients.
@toniencheff4046
Жыл бұрын
Yes. I’ve heard there are heavy metal adjuvants in the flu vaccine, for example. The body apparently gives a great immune response in response to the very toxic heavy metal ( aluminum) which in itself is good. But what happens to the aluminum? I fear it goes to the brain. Can TWIV, or Dan Wilson, a pharmaceutical paid spokesperson provide links to any studies addressing this question?
@cannsktchn6072
Жыл бұрын
@@davyd28 yes that makes sense to me too. Thank you so much for responding😊
@owenorders5202
Жыл бұрын
You all know that Dan Wilson is employed by a vaccine manufacturer, right? And that he's not actually a medical doctor?
@taochiapet
Жыл бұрын
so, and so?
@Sceince007
9 ай бұрын
So Owen You actually think he is as corrupt as your parents ? Why are you projecting ? Because you are dumb to actually point out where he is wrong you had to compare him with your parents ? Just because he points out the actual trickery you are mad . No wonder you support those are as corrupt as yourself . I know this because I tried to educate you on these matters . Anyway since you have an absolute for facts and you don’t mind being cheap here are some more hard facts to hurt your emotions 1: blood clots are 6 times more common among the unvaccinated 2: myocarditis- 8 to 11 times more common among unvaccinated 3: myocardial infarction - multiple times more common among the unvaccinated even upto a year after unprotected COVID ( getting COVID while unvaccinated) 4: autoimmune diseases 3 times more common among unvaccinated 5: still births 2 to 3 times more common to unvaccinated mothers 6: premature births ( with plethora of life long problems and issues ) 2 to 3 times more common among unvaccinated . 7: 3rd trimester problems much higher in the unvaccinated 8: pulmonary fibrosis with unprotected COVID 9: brain damage from COVID ( shown on MRI ) before and after COVID - UK Biobank study 10: long COVID prevented by vaccine even up-to 91% 11: vaccine has shown promise in treatment of long covid 12: babies of the pregnant who received Covid vaccine in 3rd trimester ( regardless of vaccine or infection status ) were up-to 60 to 70% less likely to even catch Covid in first 6 months
@Sceince007
9 ай бұрын
So Owen You actually think he is as corrupt as your parents ? Why are you projecting ? Because you are dumb to actually point out where he is wrong you had to compare him with your parents ? Just because he points out the actual trickery you are mad . No wonder you support those are as corrupt as yourself . I know this because I tried to educate you on these matters . Anyway since you have an absolute for facts and you don’t mind being cheap here are some more hard facts to hurt your emotions 1: blood clots are 6 times more common among the unvaccinated 2: myocarditis- 8 to 11 times more common among unvaccinated 3: myocardial infarction - multiple times more common among the unvaccinated even upto a year after unprotected COVID ( getting COVID while unvaccinated) 4: autoimmune diseases 3 times more common among unvaccinated 5: still births 2 to 3 times more common to unvaccinated mothers 6: premature births ( with plethora of life long problems and issues ) 2 to 3 times more common among unvaccinated . 7: 3rd trimester problems much higher in the unvaccinated 8: pulmonary fibrosis with unprotected COVID 9: brain damage from COVID ( shown on MRI ) before and after COVID - UK Biobank study 10: long COVID prevented by vaccine even up-to 91% 11: vaccine has shown promise in treatment of long covid 12: babies of the pregnant who received Covid vaccine in 3rd trimester ( regardless of vaccine or infection status ) were up-to 60 to 70% less likely to even catch Covid in first 6 months
@cannsktchn6072
Жыл бұрын
Sorry..another question. You mentioned that ethyl mercury is excreted out of the body quickly..but RFK talks about a study in which it actually does not exit more quickly than methyl mercury, but actually accumulates in the brain. Is this true? Do you know which studies disputed this claim? I would love t read. Thank you.
@toniencheff4046
Жыл бұрын
RFK quoted a study where they found the ethyl mercury in the brain of monkeys. He was talking with Paul Offit pharmaceutical and FDA representative on the phone and asking if there were any studies that showed this was not true, and that the mercury was excreted from the body. Paul Offit could not produce any studies. If TWIV has any such studies, or Dr. Offit could you please provide the links?
@cannsktchn6072
Жыл бұрын
@@toniencheff4046 Thank you! I think that they mentined that..that Paul Offet said RFK never asked for them, so it seems like an easy fix, could someone from the discussion panel please, please, please provide links or reference to a couple of these studies? I feel like this could clear up so much confusion. Thank you 😊
@cannsktchn6072
Жыл бұрын
Panel...tell us why ethyl mercury is the exception, point us to the studies! Please! I came here to listen and come away with some peace of mind but end up feeling like im being ignored by the panel. Please tell me how these vaccines are different and show me that the people I have trusted with my health have sound evidence to base their recommendations on! If you have read these studies, tell people where to read them please!
@Sceince007
Жыл бұрын
@@toniencheff4046 sorry I confused you with the other one. I saw you asked a question about ethyl mercury. I will answer the question as well as suggest you read Dr Offit substack on that topic as he attached 6 studies on the topic and then another 28 studies on the topic that showed no difference in vaccinated vs unvaccinated . Also RFK jr talks about Burbacher study . I encourage you to read it it’s free . The study is done in monkeys not in infants ( entirely different metabolism ) . Also even that study shows ethyl mercury gets out of body 4 to z5 times faster ( read it long time back ) than methyl mercury but in brain ethyl mercury stays 2 to 3 times longer . But only 1/10 portion as compared with methyl mercury actually enters the brain . Other studies have shown that ethyl mercury even when in brain is not as toxic as methyl mercury.
@Sceince007
Жыл бұрын
@@cannsktchn6072 sorry I confused you with the other one. I saw you asked a question about ethyl mercury. I will answer the question as well as suggest you read Dr Offit substack on that topic as he attached 6 studies on the topic and then another 28 studies on the topic that showed no difference in vaccinated vs unvaccinated . Also RFK jr talks about Burbacher study . I encourage you to read it it’s free . The study is done in monkeys not in infants ( entirely different metabolism ) . Also even that study shows ethyl mercury gets out of body 4 to z5 times faster ( read it long time back ) than methyl mercury but in brain ethyl mercury stays 2 to 3 times longer . But only 1/10 portion as compared with methyl mercury actually enters the brain . Other studies have shown that ethyl mercury even when in brain is not as toxic as methyl mercury.
@JackAtkinson-d2i
Жыл бұрын
apparently RFK debunks this debunk too lol would like to see it but seems nowhere to be found
@GBS1043
Жыл бұрын
HOW DOES ANYONE KNOW THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS TRUE ?
@JackAtkinson-d2i
Жыл бұрын
rfk said it on a podcast i think it was lex f@@GBS1043
@wanderingwonderer55
Жыл бұрын
Dr Wilson. You forgot to mention in your Bio that you are employed by Janssen Pharmaceuticals who settled a lawsuit last year for 99 million dollars over your employer's role in perpetuating the opioid crisis in the state of West Virginia which killed huge numbers of people. Similarly, Janssens parent company, Johnson & Johnson will pay more than 2.2 billion dollars to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from allegations relating to the prescription drugs Risperdal, Invega & Natrecor, including promotion for uses not approved as safe & effective by the FDA & payments of kickbacks to physicians & to the USA's largest long-term care pharmacy providers. Successful lawsuits against your employers, Janssen, number in the many billions of dollars and you expect people to believe you and your pro Vax agenda. I haven't researched RFK JR too much but at this stage I would take his word over yours.
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
those settlements and fines look pretty trivial compared to VW over diesels, BP for Deepwater Horizon and the banks, don't they?
@jaykanta4326
Жыл бұрын
Ad hom, eh?
@jaykanta4326
Жыл бұрын
Funny how you dismiss the scientific consensus.
@Jack_Parsons-666
Жыл бұрын
winning comment right here.
@wanderingwonderer55
Жыл бұрын
@@Jack_Parsons-666Thanks for your positive comment. The mind boggles at the level of misinformation & downright lies big pharma puts out there to protect their profits. The amount of pro vaccine bots on social media as well as the scientist propaganda machine must be costing them a fortune. I guess it's worth it to protect their multi billions!
@jjsterling3
Жыл бұрын
Who are you all trying to win over with the smirks and smugness and sarcasm? It's kinda cringe 😬
@ehlava
Жыл бұрын
28:15 pretty interesting body language on this part. If these side effects are so rare how come I know so many ppl who got side effects with the covid vax. My community of OC CA kept excellent public statistics and in the first two years of the pandemic just 2 children died 'with' (other complications) covid in a population of 2 million. Why did you all mandate an EUA drug to children who simply did not need a vax for covid? I know of no school age kids who had any problem with covid, yet you shoot them up with an untested novel drug and delivery system. Now with what you would call statistically insignificant cases of myocarditis, among other things, in these kids my guess is you are losing more kids since you are likely saving none.
@Brian-dg3gh
Жыл бұрын
These guys likely can’t even acknowledge the lab origin for covid and yet we are supposed to take them seriously.
@Sceince01
Жыл бұрын
Why should they acknowledge a lie when it’s been scientifically proven that virus is natural and lab leak is considered extremely unlikely . Do you want these guys to stoop to the pathetic levels of RFK jr or go the street thug level who in their ignorance still believe lab leak or those dishonest ones who know they can fool people easily as some can’t think for themselves so it’s easy to drive them to lab leak.
@Sceince01
Жыл бұрын
1: what a coincidence the lab to search corona viruses was built in an area where the corona virus is likely to be found but still in a city large enough where they could get virologists to work . 2: market is not even the 10 most crowded place in Wuhan . So why the earliest 172 cases were not located in more crowded area ( which would be more consistent with lab leak ) 3: why were early cases not located in areas where lab people lived ? 4: why were all early cases both market related and market unrelated were located in the market ? 5: which lineage was lab leaked ? Lineage A or lineage. - B ( since there were two lineages at the very start ) 6: two lineages is very consistent with natural ( zoonotic infection ) 7 none of the lab personnel tested positive for COVID 8 none of the bats in lab tested positive for COVID 9 WIV did not have SARS-COV-2 virus as they tried to publish all they had . 10: the nearest match WIV had was 96.2 % match and the best oft the best virologist will need 99.7% match most will need 99.9% match in 30k nucleotide virus .
@Sceince01
Жыл бұрын
Still waiting for your reply . Now you know why that can’t come down to your level of ignorance and allergy to facts . Flat earther.
@rjbiker66
Жыл бұрын
@@Sceince01it has not been proven it originated in the wet markets. Thats the least likely explanation
@Sceince007
Жыл бұрын
@@rjbiker66 oh really . Exactly how is it the least likely ? Let’s hear you and after that I will tell you why it’s the only explanation . Also Question 2 - how do you think it originated ? Let’s see
@poppyflower7873
Жыл бұрын
I feel sorry for all six of you. Have you debated the FLCCC doctors? Robert Kennedy, Jr. is a very reasonable man and quite willing to admit errors. He believes that people should have all the facts/side effects about vaccines/medicines that they put in their bodies. He is not against vaccines, in general. You people can't stand the true thinkers and challengers in the world. Bottomline, whatever his opinion on vaccines is, he would make a great president, as would have Bernie Sanders.
@sithwolf8017
Жыл бұрын
So what's the facts behind RFK Jr. denying the existence of HIV?
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
the FLCCC push Ivermectin but where are their randomised, placebo-controlled, long-term clinical studies showing that it is safe and effective for covid?
@jaedogg7836
Жыл бұрын
I still don't understand how it makes logical sense to not test against a control. I understand that patients need care in some regard, but we aren't isolating issues when we compare new vaccine vs old vaccine instead of new vaccine vs old vaccine vs control groups. Just because the previous study determined the vaccine to be safe and effective, that doesn't mean you shouldn't include a control group. Also, just because the CDC says a placebo isn't saline doesn't mean you should listen to them. How does that give your study any merit? If the CDC said you can use sriracha as a placebo would you? How can you have a study without a real control group? There are so many variables you guys seem to ignore for convenience sake by not using an actual control group. When you roll it out to the general population don't even pretend that you can identify adverse effects of a vaccine accurately in such a large population. How would a doctor identify a patients issue as a side effect from a vaccine so that it could be included in a study? The answer is they don't. I only watched the first 25 minutes and i plan to watch the rest because there are probably way more questions that need to be asked of you. I'm not trying to come off as confrontational btw I jsut don't understand a study can be performed without a true control group.
@notfallinforit
Жыл бұрын
Rfk is talking about the rise of autoimmune disorders and the like. He is correct, you cannot deny this. There are statistics showing the increase.
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
even during periods when uptake of vaccines was declining...
@billhollenbeck4022
Жыл бұрын
He is not anti vaccine
@barrysmith8078
Жыл бұрын
id love for you to reach out to rogan and RFK jr to organise a sit down or interview and just have a friendly hashing out of ideas, i initially saw Joes interview with RFK jr, at that time being 32 years old the idea that vaccines cause autism was not believable to me and i would often joke about it (the same way i would with flat earthers etc that's how ridiculous i thought it was) but after the interview the most convincing thing was RFK jr talking about how he had been invited to debate several virologists and immunisation specialists and every time they would pull out at the last minute. after the interview the smear campaign and the refusal to even debate RFK jr by people like hotez who were instead all to happy to attack joe and RFK from the shadows really put doubt in my mind. as great as it is using your expert knowledge to debunk a lot of the anti vax rhetoric i feel what is needed is a direct debate / exchanging of ideas so we can get to the bottom of it and move forward with solutions to any issues. the argument of "we don't want to give a platform to these ideas" is ridiculous, because the anti vax movement used to be VERY fringe and during the pandemic it grew massively and i can tell you what changed and caused it : THE SILENCING OF DISCERNING VIEWS. its the Streisand effect in full display, i wish you all the best :)
@swannoir
Жыл бұрын
Well stated. I've followed a similar path myself. I think many of us have. Strong arm tactics and sneer campaigns really tend to backfire, where people like RFK Jr are supposedly too misinformed to even converse with or debate directly, only casts doubt on THEM, not him, imo. And a lot of it.
@corneliuschiew
Жыл бұрын
From what I understand, RFK Jr is asking for long term vaccine safety studies where patients are followed up after years, not efficacy studies. Many of the research papers provided in the links show safety testing for very short periods (just days) and some are not even safety studies but are efficacy trials (safety test are done to rule out vaccines potential to destroy immune system, increasing suspentiability to other illness; or allergy reaction). The safety studies should be longer (years) to unreveal any potential long term injuries (allergy reactions, etc). Efficacy studies on whether vaccines effective immunized a person is not the point. I hope you guys can provided studies that meet this requirement From links provided: Polio Vaccine Study 4 page paper?? Measles Vaccine Study 13 day safety test?? HPV Efficiacy Trial (NOT SAFETY TRIAL) 15 years efficacy test, NOT safety study COVID-19 Efficacy and Safety Trial 7 days safety test?? HepB Efficiacy Trial (NOT SAFETY TRIAL) 12 months efficacy test, NOT safety study Chickenpox Efficacy Trial (NOT SAFETY TRIAL) The trial lasted for only 9 months. Study only looked out for Chickenpox diagonised during the trial. NOT SAFETY TEST that takes into account any other potential injuries HepA Efficacy and Safety Trial follow up mean 103 days no adverse reaction Diphtheria Vaccine Study not available Below Vaccines are all efficacy NOT safety study: Haemophilus influenzae B Pertussis Tetanus Pneumococcal Mumps Meningococcal
@corneliuschiew
Жыл бұрын
21:04 The above mentioned studies, I believe, are non-phase 4 studies on vaccine safety, only one phase 4 long term vaccine safety study after market was provided which is the "KiGGS Study results on atopic diseases after vaccination". Conclusion: "Our results provide no evidence that immunisations in the 1st year of life may increase the risk of atopic disease. If any association exists at all, our results may be interpreted as weakly supportive of the hypothesis that immunisations may slightly decrease the risk of atopy in later life." "For analyses of potential associations between vaccination status and risk of hay fever, atopic dermatitis or asthma" 1 year safety study, no allergy reaction in form of ONLY hay fever, atopic dermatitis or asthma.
@thepope2412
Жыл бұрын
@@corneliuschiew There are a handful of studies that compare unvaccinated children to vaccinated children. You can probably imagine why there are only a handful, because they show negative health effects from vaccines
@nyvarsitysports
Жыл бұрын
Oops sorry I clicked on the wrong podcast. This one is about viruses. I was looking for the one that talks about public policy, legal fraud and media gaslighting. Don’t know if anyone here is qualified to speak on that.
@matthewh8029
Жыл бұрын
If you're so confident he is wrong, get him on with all 6 of you and openly debate him. He's willing to debate anyone, are you? Prove him wrong!
@FLHuntandFish
Жыл бұрын
I started to watch and first 10 minutes in my first thoughts are these clowns are big pharma reps. RFKjr presents his thoughts better
@harryman8378
Жыл бұрын
💯💯💯
@ryancampbell5039
Жыл бұрын
RFk is an attorney. He is not a scientist.
@FLHuntandFish
Жыл бұрын
@ryancampbell5039 so that means he can't have an understanding of scientific data? Does that mean only a mechanic can fix a car? Or only a chef can make good food? It's asinine to think only a scientist can understand scientific data.
@ryancampbell5039
Жыл бұрын
@FLHuntandFish he cherry picks data and peddles in nonsense. RFK and Rogan are both entertainers. They are NOT scientists and their claims have no weight. Vaccines have saved MILLIONS of lives and transformed public health as we know it. The fact that RFK Jr is in a potential position to be the next President is frankly dangerous.
@nomadshelter
Жыл бұрын
Your arrogant laughter doesn’t help your case. Yes you are all too arrogant to Debate there is 2 million up for grabs and you are still too arrogant to Decently your position.
@OneLine122
Жыл бұрын
See, you lost me at the 35 minute mark. I can't explain why because youtube says it's not respectful enough.
@lesfaby8997
Жыл бұрын
KZitem timestamps by Les 03:10 compassion for the rare serious vaccine side-effect victim as well as avoiding all-too-common serious morbidity and mortality. Those victims can apply for compensation. 13:42 First versions of vaccines are tested against placebos. Once a vaccine has been proven safe and effective, a placebo would expose the risk of the pathogen and expected unnecessary harm from the disease. Then, the new vaccine is compared to the original proven one and superiority is the standard test criteria. 17:06 Placebos in vaccine trials. Phase 4 of trial is tracking safety and effectiveness in the general public 30:09 Vaccine mandates 31:02 Junior convinced American Samoa to get rid of MMR mandates and 80 children died from preventable disease 33:42 Vast majority CoViD deaths are preventable by vaccinating 36:26 public health dept 57:18 We trust the scientific process because hypotheses get tested 1:05:26 debating someone who refuses to acknowledge proven facts is useless scientist vs lawyer 1:12:58 Aids denialist 1:16:01 1918 Flu caused by vaccination claim 1:19:52 Claim flu wasn't killing people, bacteria was independently 1:21:44 WiFi causes brain cancer claim 1:24:53 You don't need vax, just live healthy 1:30:21 Thimerisol claims 1:37:03 Wakefield's fraud that vax causes autism 1:42:43 Host picks 1:42:45 Dixon Jazz G.O.A.T.S - Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Ella Fitzgerald 1:46:31 Brianne Defining the Anthropocene 1:48:28 Kathy - How to use your thermostat on A/C 1:51:01 Rich - Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1:52:46 Vincent - Step Aside, Joe Biden Listener Pick 1:55:41 Kim ssDNA and dsDNA virus links Audio podcast timestamps by Jolene. Thanks. see www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-1026/ for references
@toniencheff4046
Жыл бұрын
But I seriously doubt the facts are proven. They are all studies from industry insiders who also fund the FDA and are themselves employees of the FDA. If Dr. Paul Offit has studies showing that ethyl mercury is excreted by the body please, TWIV, list the citation. Or point me down the road to find the study myself. RFK sued for the studies and they were not available.
@residentgrey
Жыл бұрын
It's not rare. They refuse to care.
@koko4kosh960
Жыл бұрын
Good luck applying for compensation. Oh right, the did this under EUA so they are off the hook for that too. I know two nurse's who son's got Miocardiis and zero help from Rx or government.
@residentgrey
Жыл бұрын
@@koko4kosh960 She will be unaccounted for among the millions.
@theultimatereductionist7592
8 ай бұрын
No doubt some liar fraud who just wanted taxpayers to make her rich based on her lie that "the vaccine" hurt her.@@koko4kosh960
@Invitational2
Жыл бұрын
Please tell viewers how many safe and effective boosters each guest has taken in the interest of transparency. Thanks
@zakglove6536
9 ай бұрын
Why before COVID were vaccines put through a testing period often times near a decade?
@Sceince01
8 ай бұрын
Why does it matter when no corners were cut and also why do you wish hundreds of thousands were allowed to pass away just waiting for something more that would not change anything ? Also now ? Really after billions of doses and vaccine benefits vs risks clearly and overwhelmingly established?
@zakglove6536
8 ай бұрын
@@Sceince01 Why has the covid vaccine had more side effects than any modern vaccine? The vast majority of the people that died were already in bad health and the flu or a cold could of killed them.
@fastenit27
Жыл бұрын
Why not have Dr. Robert Malone on to discuss the vaccines? He's appears to have the credentials, experience and the knowledge to address virology, vaccines (including mRNA), research, experience in government and various medical treatments. He could be on with Paul Offit.
@mattdavis3036
Жыл бұрын
"Over 90% of people who died of Covid were unvaccinated" - does that include the time period before the vaccine existed? And if the vaccine caused deaths but they're not acknowledged, how would you know the relative survival rate? Don't these questions seem important to the conversation?
@philo3479
Жыл бұрын
Yes of course it includes counting before the jabs. Added to that are those who had 1 jab or 2 weeks before second. And the most manipulatable number being where the jab status "could not" be confirmed. These were also added to the unjabbed tally. Disgusting manipulation of the data. Should be criminal.
@markrobinowitz8473
11 ай бұрын
@@philo3479 Gov. Ron DeSantis, July 2021 “If you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero. If you look at the people that are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. And so these vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”
@philo3479
11 ай бұрын
@@markrobinowitz8473 Another politician parroting the lies told to him by the vax scientism cult. Your point is?
@nomadshelter
Жыл бұрын
Science can stand up to debate ! You are academics. Yes academons in my view or you would talk with him face to face . You just throw rocks from afar
@joshpeck9266
Жыл бұрын
11 min in I haven’t heard one study, what is this??
@David-oy6ck
Жыл бұрын
We need a follow up that refutes RFK with cited sources. Display the published safety studies. Hearing 6 people echo the same sentiment, with vague presentation of facts, is not convincing. Is this sloppiness or uninformed complicity?
@peterginsburg2465
Жыл бұрын
The facts on safety and efficacy for all the US vaccines are online. You have to hunt for them though. TWiV could go through all that here, but the episode would be 6+ hours long. The TWiV people have gone through all the studies and papers over many episodes over the past 3 years. The vaccine FDA preapproval meetings are all online at 6-9 hours each. If you really want to check out the data, you can sit through all of those, which I have. They're a long slog. Plus, the preprints and papers on safety and efficacy that will take you 6 months to check, which I've done over the last few years. There's a lot of data the TWiV people have gone through which they've tried to distill to and hour or so. I thought it would not change any minds, which it obviously hasn't.
@David-oy6ck
Жыл бұрын
@@peterginsburg2465 no need to be passive aggressive. I am apolitical and seeking information on both sides to find the truth. That’s why I watched your video.
@kevinwinkle9917
Жыл бұрын
Debunking somebody who isn’t there is always odd to me. This isn’t debate. If Kennedy is so wrong why not debate with him? Let me guess, you don’t want him to have a platform. I don’t know what’s true, I simply know that I’ve never seen anyone truly debunk Robert Kennedy yet.
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
this video explains why it's pointless. When ever challenged on direct quotes that he's publicly made he just lies and claims he didn't say it - how can you debate against that? kzitem.info/news/bejne/sZeQy5OAgYipbGk
@swannoir
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. I've seen others do this with RFK, Jr. They supposedly "debunk" what he says but don't have him there. Then they try to make excuses for that, like he's not a scientist, so I guess he's not on their level and doesn't know what he's talking about. Yet they'll devote hours in videos like this to try to address the supposedly laughable and wrong things he says. This approach obviously works fine for some people and that's great for them. Like you, however, I don't know what's true, but I've never seen anyone truly debunk him. And, for me, it will just continue that way with this kind of non-approach. Put him up against a panel (like this) or I saw someone suggest a scientist who is also a lawyer. Surely there must be one. Or a scientist well-spoken and confident enough to take him on. Whatever makes you comfortable. I'm sure he would agree to it. And surely you could show him up to be the lying fool that he supposedly is, show why his sources are wrong or don't show what he is saying or whatever it is? But I want to hear what he has to say himself. This just doesn't do it for me.
@residentgrey
Жыл бұрын
They cannot claim adverse reactiona being rare because most are never noticed. There is no tracking of such effects.
@Sceince01
Жыл бұрын
Lol says who ? Why are you lying ? There are 18 large studies that show no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated in any significant health issues except that the vaccinated have a lower incidence of illnesses they have been vaccinated against Also there are post marketing phase 4 studies as well . Just because you are impressed by a liar RFK jr does not mean you have to sink to that clowns level
@joshpeck9266
Жыл бұрын
There are studies showing links between young males and myocarditis in covid “vaccines” this was in 2021-2022 back when I read them. I’ve gotten sick of reading dozens of studies because no one wants to listen or also read and discuss then they prefer to just listen to some corrupt government official or doctor lie on tv
@martinsutton8590
Жыл бұрын
Did you even watch the video? Tracking of adverse effects happens continuously from the moment the vaccine is first used and it never stops. If adverse effects were not rare it would be impossible for the monitoring to fail to detect it in a very short time.
@joelwhite8391
Жыл бұрын
It's a shame none of you would have the balls to actually debate RFK, instead you all remain safe in your echo chambers.
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
it's a shame RFKjr doesn't have the balls to publish any of his findings in a peer-reviewed paper so that the scientific community could scrutinise his claims. Instead he remains safe inside his echo chamber.
@klondike444
Жыл бұрын
@@NonFlyiingDutchman You know he's not a scientist, just as you know you are a troll.
@shelob12347
Жыл бұрын
What is Ecohealth Alliance?
@klondike444
Жыл бұрын
It's a "science non-profit" funded by the NIH and involved in the work on the coronavirus research at the Wuhan lab.
@jrs_1202
9 ай бұрын
If vaccine injuries are so "rare" why did pharmaceutical manufacturers demand the Vaccine Act of 1986 be passed shielding these companies from any liability from vaccine injuries? If no insurance companies won't cover their products because its too risky, why should they be giving liability immunity?
@nancychandler3673
Жыл бұрын
Seems like RFK Jr. has long term memory and his short term memory is deteriorating. Sad 😥
@averysahara8852
Жыл бұрын
not really hearing anything that contradicts what rfk is saying.
@imago57
Жыл бұрын
What a diverse and objective group of people we have here! Congratulation on your objectivity, I see that each angle of this issue is properly covered with integrity! 🤣🤣🤣
@henryb1555
Жыл бұрын
What was diverse about them? They were all on the same side of the debate.
@nancychandler3673
Жыл бұрын
Yes, they are diverse about the facts. Only the uneducated would promote the Propaganda of RFK Jr.
@henryb1555
Жыл бұрын
@@nancychandler3673 and yet many educated people are questioning the "facts" being presented by the mainstream narrative on vaccines. I guess that is your thought terminating phrase of the day. It implies that your kind of "educated" don't think very much.
@MrKadillak
Жыл бұрын
Dr Wilson said that vaccines only account for 1-2% of pharma sales, yet the Covid vaccines are often referred to as the most profitable pharma products in history. Clearly lots of sales and no sales commissions paid as gvts bought huge amounts directly from the pharma companies.
@peterginsburg2465
Жыл бұрын
Obviously, the Covid vaccines are a special case. All previous vaccines had low profits, which is why there were few companies making vaccines.
@MrKadillak
Жыл бұрын
@@peterginsburg2465 these are the 1st mrna and viral vector vaccines as well as being the 1st vaccines for a Corona virus. They were developed very quickly w no long term safety study. To lump them in w previous vaccines is deceptive. Then the vax was forced upon people using fear, threat of job loss and gvt coordinates censorship. Anti covid vax is very different than anti all vaccines
@freedhhhhhhumb
Жыл бұрын
I would like to hear a scientist ask rfkjr about what happened in somoa in 2018 And how much money he made from his anti Vax tours in somoa and if he knows any of the 80 childrens name that died because he convinced their parents they didn't need to be vaccinated Actually I would like to hear a judge and prosecutor ask him those questions
@lesfaby8997
Жыл бұрын
The poster is referring to 31:02 Junior convinced American Samoa to get rid of MMR mandates and 80 children died from preventable disease.
@freedhhhhhhumb
Жыл бұрын
@@lesfaby8997 yeah I heard that I would like to hear what rfkjr has to say for himself about it now infront of a judge and a jury of twelve
@sallybrookner4158
Жыл бұрын
That’s really sad.
@jmr1290
Жыл бұрын
@@lesfaby8997 how many of the vaccinated kids died from the vaccine? Are you interested in finding that out? Also, you cannot compare impoverished, malnourished areas of the world where they might not have even had much exposure to measles, to the USA.
@changingworld7467
Жыл бұрын
I would like your favorite 'scientists' to explain why they claimed the vaccine was 95-100% effective at stopping transmission of the virus when Pfizer did not even do that research, ie they were lying. And people thought they were immune when they had very limited immunity at best. And they should be asked why the US which has 4% of the world's population had 16% of Covid deaths. That is the real crime.
@GBS1043
Жыл бұрын
WELL, RFK LOOKS LIKE HE IS TEN TIMES HEALTHIER THAN ANY OF YOU LOT. THAT SAYS A LOT
@CONTACTLIGHTTOMMY
Жыл бұрын
Especially his beautiful singing voice.
@GBS1043
8 ай бұрын
@@CONTACTLIGHTTOMMY FIGURES THAT YOU WOULD MAKE FUN OF SOMEONE WITH A DISABILITY.... 'GO BRANDON'
@caustinolino3687
Жыл бұрын
40:45 No, he specifies anaphalctic food allergy which he says come from adjuvants. I wish we could have experts comment on this, but every time it's brought up, the subject switches to autism and the waters are muddled. The frequency of kids who have to carry an epipen has exploded. An explanation of why would be nice.
@caustinolino3687
Жыл бұрын
@@three.one_fourIt sounds like you find yourself very clever.
@caustinolino3687
Жыл бұрын
@@three.one_four Everyone needs a hobby. Good on you for staying busy 👏
@residentgrey
Жыл бұрын
the chems peanuts get treated with contributes heavily.
@samgarcia3807
11 ай бұрын
You all failed to acknowledge a lot of the studies that he sites
@jimmyswaggart1189
11 ай бұрын
Which ones?
@Syncopator
Жыл бұрын
It's probably worth noting that a large percentage of the population is REALLY bad at assessing risk. Keep in mind the number of people that waste their money on lotteries. There's this thinking that if they can get lucky they will, despite the odds. Also, the details of the facts on various vaccines can be complex and not all public health spokespersons always express such details accurately or consistently. Inaccuracies and inconsistencies get noticed and held up as examples of lying in the service of supposedly nefarious governmental or corporate organizations.
@jimjohnson3349
Жыл бұрын
I know that it is very unlikely that I will win a lottery. I still spend a dollar every week or two. I get the fun of fantasizing about winning. That makes my investment fun.
@dinoflame9696
Жыл бұрын
@@jimjohnson3349 "Lottery dumb" is a pedestrian take. Let me give you the big brain take: lotteries are *only* a dumb investment, *if* you are certain to make a more profitable investment with that money otherwise (higher opportunity cost). A lottery ticket, no matter how insignificant, has a non-zero probability of yielding a positive return -- as opposed to the majority of consumtion, like say, buying caloric intake which isn't used to perform labor, or paying extra money for milk because you go to a certain supermarket, or extra gas spent because you aren't driving at optimum speed, etc. So people who act like buying a lottery ticket is irrational, are completely missing the point: lotteries are just super high risk speculative instrument -- which makes perfect sense because the cost is extremely low. And here's the kicker: the "first ticket" you buy, has incredibly high value, because it takes you from 0 to >0% probability of winning. Beyond that, each additional ticket gets increasingly less "profitable", because they don't raise you relative probability of winning nearly as much as the intitial one does, *per dollar spent* . So (ignoring differences between different lottery brands), what you wanna do is: spend the minimum amount you can spare (per time unit), to at least enter the lottery. That's the exact right thing to do.
@henkvandergaast3948
Жыл бұрын
My goodness, what are the vaccination rates over your neck of the woods?
@butholelord9822
Жыл бұрын
Luck isnt real
@petersonmasonrydesig
Жыл бұрын
Nearly everyone in the country got COVID. The cases of people are only the people who go to the hospital which relatively few do. There were maybe 1 million deaths. The vast majority of which were not healthy or had preexisting conditions. If 1 million people died that is ~.3% of the population? All 4 of my grandparents died of the common cold well before COVID. They were older, poor health in general. The cold turned into pneumonia. There is no doubt this wave was bad, but not as bad as it could have been. People say the vaccine saved them because they had less symptoms. We were already well into the less symptomatic variants when the vaccine became available. Everybody was less symptomatic. That is the nature course of past SARS variants as well🤦🏼♂️ Nobody can know the alternative of what they didn't experience. Either way. More dangerous than any virus is the war on our democracy. Corporation don't even need defence lawyers anymore. They have a whole population that will follow and do anything for them and never even question it.
@robbielee2148
Жыл бұрын
Because they're so rare? Does little to bring back the 9 months I spent in hospital, not to mention the loss of my legs below the knee, 3 fingers on my primary right hand & destruction of my thyroid gland. All due to blot clots somehow formed just months after my first COVID vax which not one so called health care professional even dares to talk about. None of my friends as old(60s) or older(70s) than myself who never had the shot had anything but at worst a bad flu. No opinion beyond my real life experience.
@bethsecosky8523
Жыл бұрын
Invite Kennedy on your show. He will be calm and respectful.
@residentgrey
Жыл бұрын
RFK still isn't wrong.
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
he is
@Sceince01
Жыл бұрын
What vaccine issue is he correct about . Let’s see for once an antivaxer is not a dumbo and dishonest . Never met one who was not 🙂
@sithwolf8017
Жыл бұрын
So he's right about HIV not existing and AIDS being caused by being gay and doing drugs?
@residentgrey
Жыл бұрын
@@NonFlyiingDutchman Not in any way has be been disproven. I paid attention and know better. I spent much of the past decade paying attention, studying the studies, checking the process. There's so much lying from Big Pharma, and he is one of the few with the acumen to take them on. We deserve the best as president and he certainly qualifies.
@ellenmccarthy6912
Жыл бұрын
What are the backgrounds of this panel in relation to big pharma?
@deborahfreedman333
Жыл бұрын
The misinformation and lies, in this comment section, give good reason to avoid debating the lunatic Kennedy. It doesn't matter how much proof you give someone who doesn't want to accept it, and clings to their truth, no matter how false.
@radwonderland1435
Жыл бұрын
You sound like a religion zealot full of fear.
@Rehealise
Жыл бұрын
Y’all are the most unbiased trustworthy people-🤖
@user-hj6wg9zp2q
Жыл бұрын
Plz name one study .... not just saying there are many studies many studies
@Binkyboy34
Жыл бұрын
"Frequency of true adverse reactions to measles-mumps-rubella vaccine. A double-blind placebo-controlled trial in twins"
@NonFlyiingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
there's also the Pfizer covid 19 vaccine study that can be seen online - placebo controlled against saline
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